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Title: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres L2-1
Post by: Bleeding Blue & White on September 23, 2011, 10:41:06 AM
(http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h184/krevster/GDT/torontovsbuffalo.png)

Leafs Roster:
Goalies: James Reimer, Ben Scrivens

Defence: Keith Aulie - Dion Phaneuf, Carl Gunnarsson - John-Michael Liles, Cody Franson - Jake Gardine.

Forwards: Joffrey Lupul - Tim Connolly - Phil Kessel
Clarke MacArthur - Mikhail Grabovski - Nikolai Kulemin
Nazem Kadri - Tyler Bozak - Matt Frattin
Joye Crabb - Darryl Boyce - Colton Orr

Sabres Roster:
Goalies: Ryan Miller, Drew MacIntyre

Defence: Jordan Leopold, Mike Weber, Christian Ehrhoff, Marc-Andre Gragnani, T.J. Brennan, Brayden McNabb

Forwards: Cody McCormick, Derek Roy, Colin Stuart, Michael Ryan, Drew Stafford, Brad Boyes, Thomas Vanek, Paul Gaustad, Jason Pominville, Patrick Kaleta, Matt Ellis, Nathan Gerbe, Tyler Ennis, Corey Tropp, Marcus Foligno
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Erndog on September 23, 2011, 10:43:23 AM
Both teams icing pretty full lineups, should be a good "test". 
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Zee on September 23, 2011, 10:44:40 AM
Quote from: Erndog on September 23, 2011, 10:43:23 AM
Both teams icing pretty full lineups, should be a good "test".

Yup, there's our D minus Gardiner and Komisarek.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: You're right on September 23, 2011, 10:58:33 AM
Quote from: Zee on September 23, 2011, 10:44:40 AM
Quote from: Erndog on September 23, 2011, 10:43:23 AM
Both teams icing pretty full lineups, should be a good "test".

Yup, there's our D minus Gardiner and Komisarek.
Which is where Komi should stay......
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Bender on September 23, 2011, 11:02:55 AM
Quote from: Zee on September 23, 2011, 10:44:40 AM
Quote from: Erndog on September 23, 2011, 10:43:23 AM
Both teams icing pretty full lineups, should be a good "test".

Yup, there's our D minus Gardiner and Komisarek.

Lol at the Komi quote. Also one player will be coming off the fourth line. Otherwise it's pretty full.

Sabres are missing at least Leino and Myers. I feel like the Sabres are built a lot like the Leafs. No outright stars outside of Vanek (Kessel) and Miller, big bodies on D but with offensive upside, waterbugs on the first 3 lines. It'll be interesting for sure!
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Erndog on September 23, 2011, 11:15:01 AM
Quote from: Bender on September 23, 2011, 11:02:55 AM
Quote from: Zee on September 23, 2011, 10:44:40 AM
Quote from: Erndog on September 23, 2011, 10:43:23 AM
Both teams icing pretty full lineups, should be a good "test".

Yup, there's our D minus Gardiner and Komisarek.

Lol at the Komi quote. Also one player will be coming off the fourth line. Otherwise it's pretty full.

Sabres are missing at least Leino and Myers. I feel like the Sabres are built a lot like the Leafs. No outright stars outside of Vanek (Kessel) and Miller, big bodies on D but with offensive upside, waterbugs on the first 3 lines. It'll be interesting for sure!

I was thinking about that the other day as well.  There's Kessel/Vanek who are the upper tier players and then there is a lot of depth.  A lot of 'skilled, fast players'... similar in ages too.  Obviously they have Ryan Miller which is quite a significant difference.  I'd say Roy is a very, very good center (a notch above Grabs or Connolly easily) but other than that, they have fairly comparable rosters in my opinion.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on September 23, 2011, 11:25:36 AM
Should be a really good test tonight for sure...
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: cw on September 23, 2011, 11:27:08 AM
link (http://mapleleafs.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=589502&navid=DL%7CTOR%7Chome)
Goalies: James Reimer, Ben Scrivens

Defence: Keith Aulie - Dion Phaneuf, Carl Gunnarsson - John-Michael Liles, Cody Franson - Jake Gardiner.

Forwards: Joffrey Lupul - Tim Connolly - Phil Kessel
Clarke MacArthur - Mikhail Grabovski - Nikolai Kulemin
Nazem Kadri - Tyler Bozak - Matt Frattin
Joye Crabb - Darryl Boyce - Colton Orr

The following three players took part in the morning skate but aren't expected to play tonight: Mike Komisarek, Luke Schenn, Jay Rosehill.

That's getting much closer to looking like the starting lineup/roster members.

Scrivens, Gardiner, Kadri, Frattin, Crabb & Boyce are the only ones on the bubble and some of those guys have a decent shot to survive (like Boyce & Kadri).

Probably worth taking a look at the game tonight ..  :)
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Sarge on September 23, 2011, 11:28:10 AM
No Army... We lose.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Zee on September 23, 2011, 11:29:38 AM
If I open up a barley pop tonight during the game it'll almost feel like a regular season game.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on September 23, 2011, 12:02:55 PM
I don't know what managements plans are, but I think they need to give Mike Zigomanis a little bit more of a shot to show that he may be able to play the 4th line role better than Dupuis and or Boyce. I expect Wilson to insist on Boyce making the team, as he seems to have endeared himself to Wilson, but I also think they should decide on Dupuis or Zigomanis for the 12th or 13th man position on the big club.

I read an article this morning that stated, which I forgot, that the Leafs were 5-2-1 with Zigo to start the season and promptly lost the next 7 or so games after they demoted him last year. Coincidence? Not sure, but he knows how to win draws and kill penalties and that I think shouldn't be overlooked, I know Carlton will agree with me.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Bender on September 23, 2011, 01:37:11 PM
Quote from: Erndog on September 23, 2011, 11:15:01 AM
Quote from: Bender on September 23, 2011, 11:02:55 AM
Quote from: Zee on September 23, 2011, 10:44:40 AM
Quote from: Erndog on September 23, 2011, 10:43:23 AM
Both teams icing pretty full lineups, should be a good "test".

Yup, there's our D minus Gardiner and Komisarek.

Lol at the Komi quote. Also one player will be coming off the fourth line. Otherwise it's pretty full.

Sabres are missing at least Leino and Myers. I feel like the Sabres are built a lot like the Leafs. No outright stars outside of Vanek (Kessel) and Miller, big bodies on D but with offensive upside, waterbugs on the first 3 lines. It'll be interesting for sure!

I was thinking about that the other day as well.  There's Kessel/Vanek who are the upper tier players and then there is a lot of depth.  A lot of 'skilled, fast players'... similar in ages too.  Obviously they have Ryan Miller which is quite a significant difference.  I'd say Roy is a very, very good center (a notch above Grabs or Connolly easily) but other than that, they have fairly comparable rosters in my opinion.

Buffalo might be the surprise of the year imo. They have so much depth everywhere and have an all-star goalie in Miller, with Derek Roy coming back from injury...
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on September 23, 2011, 01:49:09 PM
Quote from: Zee on September 23, 2011, 10:44:40 AM
Quote from: Erndog on September 23, 2011, 10:43:23 AM
Both teams icing pretty full lineups, should be a good "test".

Yup, there's our D minus Gardiner and Komisarek.

I suspect that would come as news to Luke Schenn.  :)
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Zee on September 23, 2011, 01:52:58 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on September 23, 2011, 01:49:09 PM
Quote from: Zee on September 23, 2011, 10:44:40 AM
Quote from: Erndog on September 23, 2011, 10:43:23 AM
Both teams icing pretty full lineups, should be a good "test".

Yup, there's our D minus Gardiner and Komisarek.

I suspect that would come as news to Luke Schenn.  :)

I should have quoted the original post, I think he edited it and removed Schenn cause it came out later that he wasn't playing tonight.  Originally there were 8 guys listed there.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on September 23, 2011, 02:01:25 PM
Quote from: Zee on September 23, 2011, 01:52:58 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on September 23, 2011, 01:49:09 PM
Quote from: Zee on September 23, 2011, 10:44:40 AM
Quote from: Erndog on September 23, 2011, 10:43:23 AM
Both teams icing pretty full lineups, should be a good "test".

Yup, there's our D minus Gardiner and Komisarek.

I suspect that would come as news to Luke Schenn.  :)

I should have quoted the original post, I think he edited it and removed Schenn cause it came out later that he wasn't playing tonight.  Originally there were 8 guys listed there.

Cheers.  I figured it wasn't just an oversight.

It does bring up the subject of whether it makes sense to keep Gardiner up no matter how good he looks.  I'd rather have Komisarek/Aulie/Gunnarsson rotating in and out than Gardiner, who could use ice time in all situations.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Michael on September 23, 2011, 02:02:35 PM
Bozak is a bit banged up so he is out tonight. Boyce moves up a line and Zigmanis (sp?) takes 4th line.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Stronger Than All on September 23, 2011, 02:34:05 PM
Let's see some goals tonight......

Well hopefully someone will see some goals as I won't be catching the game.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Bender on September 23, 2011, 03:38:51 PM
So I don't really know what the answer is here... but what happens when a team exceeds the cap?

http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=8

Buffalo looks like they're way over. They'd have to dump at least Kotalik and another cheap player.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Green Leaf on September 23, 2011, 04:00:41 PM
Quote from: BlueWhiteBlood on September 23, 2011, 12:02:55 PM
I don't know what managements plans are, but I think they need to give Mike Zigomanis a little bit more of a shot to show that he may be able to play the 4th line role better than Dupuis and or Boyce. I expect Wilson to insist on Boyce making the team, as he seems to have endeared himself to Wilson, but I also think they should decide on Dupuis or Zigomanis for the 12th or 13th man position on the big club.

I read an article this morning that stated, which I forgot, that the Leafs were 5-2-1 with Zigo to start the season and promptly lost the next 7 or so games after they demoted him last year. Coincidence? Not sure, but he knows how to win draws and kill penalties and that I think shouldn't be overlooked, I know Carlton will agree with me.

I guess Ron does as well. Bozak's out Zigi's in (TSN)

Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Bender on September 23, 2011, 04:04:35 PM
Quote from: armche123 on September 23, 2011, 04:00:41 PM
Quote from: BlueWhiteBlood on September 23, 2011, 12:02:55 PM
I don't know what managements plans are, but I think they need to give Mike Zigomanis a little bit more of a shot to show that he may be able to play the 4th line role better than Dupuis and or Boyce. I expect Wilson to insist on Boyce making the team, as he seems to have endeared himself to Wilson, but I also think they should decide on Dupuis or Zigomanis for the 12th or 13th man position on the big club.

I read an article this morning that stated, which I forgot, that the Leafs were 5-2-1 with Zigo to start the season and promptly lost the next 7 or so games after they demoted him last year. Coincidence? Not sure, but he knows how to win draws and kill penalties and that I think shouldn't be overlooked, I know Carlton will agree with me.

I guess Ron does as well. Bozak's out Zigi's in (TSN)

Mostly because Bozak has a minor injury.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Green Leaf on September 23, 2011, 04:11:46 PM
Quote from: Bender on September 23, 2011, 04:04:35 PM
Quote from: armche123 on September 23, 2011, 04:00:41 PM
Quote from: BlueWhiteBlood on September 23, 2011, 12:02:55 PM
I don't know what managements plans are, but I think they need to give Mike Zigomanis a little bit more of a shot to show that he may be able to play the 4th line role better than Dupuis and or Boyce. I expect Wilson to insist on Boyce making the team, as he seems to have endeared himself to Wilson, but I also think they should decide on Dupuis or Zigomanis for the 12th or 13th man position on the big club.

I read an article this morning that stated, which I forgot, that the Leafs were 5-2-1 with Zigo to start the season and promptly lost the next 7 or so games after they demoted him last year. Coincidence? Not sure, but he knows how to win draws and kill penalties and that I think shouldn't be overlooked, I know Carlton will agree with me.

I guess Ron does as well. Bozak's out Zigi's in (TSN)

Mostly because Bozak has a minor injury.

That's another reason
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on September 23, 2011, 04:14:23 PM
Quote from: Bender on September 23, 2011, 04:04:35 PM
Quote from: armche123 on September 23, 2011, 04:00:41 PM
I guess Ron does as well. Bozak's out Zigi's in (TSN)

Mostly because Bozak has a minor injury.

Hopefully he plays well, I wouldn't mind him sticking with the team this season.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: cw on September 23, 2011, 05:17:39 PM
Quote from: BlueWhiteBlood on September 23, 2011, 12:02:55 PM
I don't know what managements plans are, but I think they need to give Mike Zigomanis a little bit more of a shot to show that he may be able to play the 4th line role better than Dupuis and or Boyce. I expect Wilson to insist on Boyce making the team, as he seems to have endeared himself to Wilson, but I also think they should decide on Dupuis or Zigomanis for the 12th or 13th man position on the big club.

I read an article this morning that stated, which I forgot, that the Leafs were 5-2-1 with Zigo to start the season and promptly lost the next 7 or so games after they demoted him last year. Coincidence? Not sure, but he knows how to win draws and kill penalties and that I think shouldn't be overlooked, I know Carlton will agree with me.

Often, he was one of the best Marlies after he was sent down. So I don't think it was the guy just getting hot for a few games.

Two others who got a game but I was interested in more of a look were Scott & Hamilton. I thought they played really well as checking forwards for the Marlies.

I guess the theme this year seems to be to assemble the roster asap to develop as much cohesive team play as they can in order to give them the best chance to get off to a good start.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 23, 2011, 05:36:08 PM
Quote from: BlueWhiteBlood on September 23, 2011, 12:02:55 PM
I don't know what managements plans are, but I think they need to give Mike Zigomanis a little bit more of a shot to show that he may be able to play the 4th line role better than Dupuis and or Boyce. I expect Wilson to insist on Boyce making the team, as he seems to have endeared himself to Wilson, but I also think they should decide on Dupuis or Zigomanis for the 12th or 13th man position on the big club.

I read an article this morning that stated, which I forgot, that the Leafs were 5-2-1 with Zigo to start the season and promptly lost the next 7 or so games after they demoted him last year. Coincidence? Not sure, but he knows how to win draws and kill penalties and that I think shouldn't be overlooked, I know Carlton will agree with me.

My man-crush on Ziggy is pretty evident ever since the Marlies first signed him to that PTO in 2009. The season before he had a spot on Pittsburgh's 4th line, and was playing pretty good in that role before an injury ended his season after 22 games. That team ended up winning the Stanley Cup, and while he still got his name on the Cup and a ring, he's never had a NHL job since then. I think he could have probably done everything that Brent did for the Leafs last year, but it was Brent who ended up with the job in the end and now he's got a shiny new contract while Ziggy is still fighting for a spot on a NHL team. 

Unfortunately, I think the emphasis on having some size on the 4th line will likely exclude Zigomanis from contention. He's certainly not a small player, but he doesn't really use his size like Boyce or Dupuis would. Who knows though. From what I remember Ziggy kind of had a quiet training camp last year until the final game or two, so history could repeat itself.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Bleeding Blue & White on September 23, 2011, 05:41:53 PM
Honestly I've always liked ziggy and I hope he can secure a job on the 4th line this season.  Even if he is playing wing his playstyle will help the Leafs improve.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on September 23, 2011, 05:41:57 PM
Quote from: cw on September 23, 2011, 05:17:39 PM
Two others who got a game but I was interested in more of a look were Scott & Hamilton. I thought they played really well as checking forwards for the Marlies.

I didn't catch too much of Hamilton the other night, but to be honest, Scott was horrible. He didn't play well at all IMO, he couldn't hit a pass to save his life and didn't skate well, definitely an AHL player and will never make the NHL. I suppose he could have some incredible development this season, but I doubt.

Quote
I guess the theme this year seems to be to assemble the roster asap to develop as much cohesive team play as they can in order to give them the best chance to get off to a good start.

I get that, but Zigomanis could end up being better in that 4th line role than either of Boyce or Dupuis. I think we have the room to keep 2 of the 3 of them, if we keep Orr as the 13th or 14th man, depending on how many defensemen we keep.

I believe Burke is going to have to decide what he is going to do with the extra blueliner, now that Gardiner is showing that he is very close to being able to handle the NHL. One of Komisarek, Gunnarsson or Franson have to go IMO. Obviously as I've said before, Komisarek is the elephant on the ice.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: WAYNEINIONA on September 23, 2011, 05:48:15 PM
Don Cherry was plugging Zigomanis last year on HNIC. I'd like to see him get a legitimate shot on the roster.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on September 23, 2011, 05:55:34 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on September 23, 2011, 05:36:08 PM
Unfortunately, I think the emphasis on having some size on the 4th line will likely exclude Zigomanis from contention. He's certainly not a small player, but he doesn't really use his size like Boyce or Dupuis would. Who knows though. From what I remember Ziggy kind of had a quiet training camp last year until the final game or two, so history could repeat itself.

I'm hoping that his experience and his face-off abilities are what keep him in the line up. Also, if Burke and Wilson are serious about improving the PK as they say they are, Zigomanis is a guy that can not only help, but also set a good example for our young players, by listening to him on the ice and watching what he does on a shift by shift basis.

If what cw is saying is true and the management/ coaching is getting serious this season, Zigomanis should be there over both the other guys IMO.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: bustaheims on September 23, 2011, 06:27:22 PM
Quote from: Bender on September 23, 2011, 03:38:51 PM
So I don't really know what the answer is here... but what happens when a team exceeds the cap?

http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=8

Buffalo looks like they're way over. They'd have to dump at least Kotalik and another cheap player.

Punishments for not being in line with the cap include forfeiting games, losing draft picks, massive fines and so on.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Sudafederov on September 23, 2011, 06:32:07 PM
Quote from: Fanatic on September 23, 2011, 02:02:35 PM
Bozak is a bit banged up so he is out tonight. Boyce moves up a line and Zigmanis (sp?) takes 4th line.

Banged up...or TRADED.  I smell conspiracy.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Spare Change on September 23, 2011, 07:02:43 PM
any good links?
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Chev-boyar-sky on September 23, 2011, 07:04:52 PM
Quote from: Spare Change on September 23, 2011, 07:02:43 PM
any good links?

http://www.sportlemon.tv/c-3.html
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on September 23, 2011, 07:07:34 PM
I know it's only pre-season, but spanking the Sabres tonight would be fun no less.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: princedpw on September 23, 2011, 07:14:41 PM
Kadri with a very nice cross rink breakout pass.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Propellertop on September 23, 2011, 07:18:26 PM
Buffalo made some good moves in the off season. They're definitely going to be contending for a top spot....which is going to make things more difficult for us. :/
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: princedpw on September 23, 2011, 07:22:23 PM
Quote from: Propellertop on September 23, 2011, 07:18:26 PM
Buffalo made some good moves in the off season. They're definitely going to be contending for a top spot....which is going to make things more difficult for us. :/

I think they overpaid enormously for Leino but getting Regher (spelling?) and Erhoff (spelling again -- sorry!) and Roy back is huge.  I think they win the division.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: brothert on September 23, 2011, 07:23:49 PM
Feeling that Gunnarsson's going to have a breakout season this year.  I've thought he has been really steady so far this preseason
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: barney_rebel on September 23, 2011, 07:24:58 PM
We stink dudes
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on September 23, 2011, 07:25:22 PM
Quote from: princedpw on September 23, 2011, 07:22:23 PM
I think they overpaid enormously for Leino but getting Regher (spelling?) and Erhoff (spelling again -- sorry!) and Roy back is huge.  I think they win the division.

I think you guys are overdoing it a bit here. Yes, they are a few good players, but I don't think these guys are game breakers by any means. I didn't like Buffalo's defense to begin with, so adding a couple good players only puts them where they probably should be and Leino hasn't proved anything yet. Roy back is probably their best move, as he is better than all three of the other players IMO.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: lamajama on September 23, 2011, 07:28:30 PM
I love it when Millen trys to make a his "point" and the replay showing
blows it up in his face.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Propellertop on September 23, 2011, 07:29:14 PM
Quote from: barney_rebel on September 23, 2011, 07:24:58 PM
We stink dudes

I walk outta the room for a couple minutes and come back and it's 1-0. DOH!
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: brothert on September 23, 2011, 07:30:29 PM
Quote from: lamajama on September 23, 2011, 07:28:30 PM
I love it when Millen trys to make a his "point" and the replay showing
blows it up in his face.
;D Agreed. That shot hit Reimers stick and slid wide.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: 4th Liner on September 23, 2011, 07:33:07 PM
Egads can Gardiner skate and handle the puck - he's definitely a keeper. Some difficult decisions coming up for the Leafs
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: princedpw on September 23, 2011, 07:34:57 PM
Gardiner seems incredibly impressive.  What number is franson?  We should be comparing the two...
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on September 23, 2011, 07:35:48 PM
Quote from: princedpw on September 23, 2011, 07:34:57 PM
Gardiner seems incredibly impressive.  What number is franson?  We should be comparing the two...

22 I think.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Chev-boyar-sky on September 23, 2011, 07:38:18 PM
Does anyone have a stream? My other one a@@ploded.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: WAYNEINIONA on September 23, 2011, 07:40:54 PM
Quote from: Chev-boyar-sky on September 23, 2011, 07:38:18 PM
Does anyone have a stream? My other one a@@ploded.

I've tried 3 different ones and they all have been shut down.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Chev-boyar-sky on September 23, 2011, 07:41:33 PM
Quote from: WAYNEINIONA on September 23, 2011, 07:40:54 PM
Quote from: Chev-boyar-sky on September 23, 2011, 07:38:18 PM
Does anyone have a stream? My other one a@@ploded.

I've tried 3 different ones and they all have been shut down.

Off to the radio I guess  :-\
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Tigger on September 23, 2011, 07:51:08 PM
http://www.ilemi.me/

Seems to be working.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: cw on September 23, 2011, 07:52:12 PM
Quote from: Chev-boyar-sky on September 23, 2011, 07:38:18 PM
Does anyone have a stream? My other one a@@ploded.

I have Leafs tv so I'm not watching these but give them a try:
http://www.firstrowsports.tv/watch/82146/1/watch-toronto-maple-leafs-vs-buffalo-sabres.html

http://www.justin.tv/j_franck10#/w/1810648656
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Bleeding Blue & White on September 23, 2011, 07:52:36 PM
I've been really impressed with the first but at the end of the day it is 1-0 sabres. 
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Propellertop on September 23, 2011, 08:04:10 PM
Great puck movement by the Leafs to hem the Sabres in their own zone...
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on September 23, 2011, 08:11:06 PM
Kessel needs to dial in his scope on his rifle there a bit.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Kaberle15 on September 23, 2011, 08:15:08 PM
Leafs having a good 2nd period so far...
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Kaberle15 on September 23, 2011, 08:17:54 PM
good play by Liles, Kessel scores and did aynone notice how quick Kadri moved back to cover the blueline once Liles was deep in the zone ?
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: brothert on September 23, 2011, 08:18:23 PM
Aulie has been struggling so far.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on September 23, 2011, 08:19:02 PM
Quote from: Kaberle15 on September 23, 2011, 08:17:54 PM
good play by Liles, Kessel scores and did aynone notice how quick Kadri moved back to cover the blueline once Liles was deep in the zone ?

Yeah, he's been all business this year. I like it.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Propellertop on September 23, 2011, 08:20:33 PM
I left the room again and WE scored??
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on September 23, 2011, 08:20:40 PM
Quote from: JohnK's Revenge on September 23, 2011, 08:18:23 PM
Aulie has been struggling so far.

Maybe Gardiner steals his spot this year. Does anyone know if Aulie is still waiver exempt? I think he is, but I haven't checked.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Tigger on September 23, 2011, 08:21:27 PM
Quote from: JohnK's Revenge on September 23, 2011, 08:18:23 PM
Aulie has been struggling so far.

That was the first time I've thought he was off a bit, what else have you seen?
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: brothert on September 23, 2011, 08:23:53 PM
Quote from: BlueWhiteBlood on September 23, 2011, 08:20:40 PM
Quote from: JohnK's Revenge on September 23, 2011, 08:18:23 PM
Aulie has been struggling so far.

Maybe Gardiner steals his spot this year. Does anyone know if Aulie is still waiver exempt? I think he is, but I haven't checked.
Thats what I was thinking too.  Not sure you could partner Gardiner with Phaneuf though.  I like Phaneuf but he sure does make his d partner work hard.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Kaberle15 on September 23, 2011, 08:24:26 PM
Quote from: Propellertop on September 23, 2011, 08:20:33 PM
I left the room again and WE scored??

Go away! :D
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on September 23, 2011, 08:25:53 PM
Quote from: JohnK's Revenge link=topic=267.msg8054#msg8054
Thats what I was thinking too.  Not sure you could partner Gardiner with Phaneuf though.  I like Phaneuf but he sure does make his d partner work hard.

I don't think that Aulie would go down to the A', but the Leafs have options. They could easily play Liles with Phaneuf and Gardiner with Schenn. The last two might work all kinds of wonder together.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Tigger on September 23, 2011, 08:29:08 PM
Quote from: BlueWhiteBlood on September 23, 2011, 08:20:40 PM
Quote from: JohnK's Revenge on September 23, 2011, 08:18:23 PM
Aulie has been struggling so far.

Maybe Gardiner steals his spot this year. Does anyone know if Aulie is still waiver exempt? I think he is, but I haven't checked.

ELC, less than 70 games at age 22 so, yes? Not opposed to Jake stealing his spot but the Leafs could certainly use his size and defensive game.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Bleeding Blue & White on September 23, 2011, 08:30:46 PM
My projection of our defence right now

Phanuef - Aulie
Schenn - Liles
Franson - Gardiner

sorry gunnar you are good but Gardiner is just better.  Also komi will be there but that is just cause we can't put him on waivers, allready having a shaky training camp when with last year he needed to come into it with everything he had. 
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on September 23, 2011, 08:32:02 PM
Quote from: Tigger on September 23, 2011, 08:29:08 PM
ELC, less than 70 games at age 22 so, yes? Not opposed to Jake stealing his spot but the Leafs could certainly use his size and defensive game.

I wouldn't think it would be a product of Aulie playing bad, so much as Gardiner playing incredibly well so far. It will be interesting what the Leafs decide to do with this kid, he's all kinds of awesome.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Tigger on September 23, 2011, 08:32:49 PM
Quote from: McPwnage on September 23, 2011, 08:30:46 PM
My projection of our defence right now

Phanuef - Aulie
Schenn - Liles
Franson - Gardiner

sorry gunnar you are good but Gardiner is just better.  Also komi will be there but that is just cause we can't put him on waivers, allready having a shaky training camp when with last year he needed to come into it with everything he had.

You've seen enough of Franson to depose Gunnar?
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Sarge on September 23, 2011, 08:33:04 PM
Quote from: McPwnage on September 23, 2011, 08:30:46 PM
My projection of our defence right now

Phanuef - Aulie
Schenn - Liles
Franson - Gardiner

sorry gunnar you are good but Gardiner is just better.  Also komi will be there but that is just cause we can't put him on waivers, allready having a shaky training camp when with last year he needed to come into it with everything he had.

I agree..... buuuuuuut..... that's not a lot of experience there among the bottom pairing.  :-\ I think I'd keep Gunnar until I could find a trade for him that would make me happy.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Chev-boyar-sky on September 23, 2011, 08:33:10 PM
Remember when we had that Lebda guy?  :o

I like this team a lot already this year. It's only preseason but they seem to have a good balance of skill, speed and the ability to play at 2 ends of the rink. Reimer looking like he's the same guy from last year too.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on September 23, 2011, 08:34:47 PM
Quote from: McPwnage on September 23, 2011, 08:30:46 PM
My projection of our defence right now

Phanuef - Aulie
Schenn - Liles
Franson - Gardiner

sorry gunnar you are good but Gardiner is just better.  Also komi will be there but that is just cause we can't put him on waivers, allready having a shaky training camp when with last year he needed to come into it with everything he had.

Problem is, neither Franson or Gunnarsson are going on waivers, there would have to be a trade under that scenario. It's Aulie down and Gradiner up or Gardiner down IMO.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: princedpw on September 23, 2011, 08:35:46 PM
Nazem looking pretty hot.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Bullfrog on September 23, 2011, 08:36:04 PM
lol.. Aulie vs. Gerbe looked like a man vs. a kid.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on September 23, 2011, 08:36:53 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on September 23, 2011, 08:36:04 PM
lol.. Aulie vs. Gerbe looked like a man vs. a kid.

Or a giant. Kessel vs Gerby looked the way you describe it.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: brothert on September 23, 2011, 08:37:51 PM
That was a nice breakup by Aulie.  He has the reach and size I just wish he was nastier i guess.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Tigger on September 23, 2011, 08:38:06 PM
Quote from: BlueWhiteBlood on September 23, 2011, 08:32:02 PM
Quote from: Tigger on September 23, 2011, 08:29:08 PM
ELC, less than 70 games at age 22 so, yes? Not opposed to Jake stealing his spot but the Leafs could certainly use his size and defensive game.

I wouldn't think it would be a product of Aulie playing bad, so much as Gardiner playing incredibly well so far. It will be interesting what the Leafs decide to do with this kid, he's all kinds of awesome.

I hate crunch time like that but yes it's a great problem to have potentially, biggest hurdle is timing though. Trades just don't seem to be made much this time of year and so the Leafs have some time to chew, well that and Jake hasn't played a real game yet.

Oh yeah, Fbomb who?
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on September 23, 2011, 08:39:50 PM
Quote from: Tigger on September 23, 2011, 08:38:06 PM
Oh yeah, Fbomb who?

Funny you wrote that, I was going to say the exact same thing before I pressed post.  :D
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on September 23, 2011, 08:42:35 PM
Quote from: JohnK's Revenge on September 23, 2011, 08:37:51 PM
That was a nice breakup by Aulie.  He has the reach and size I just wish he was nastier i guess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE2akwOU10Y
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Tigger on September 23, 2011, 08:46:37 PM
Quote from: BlueWhiteBlood on September 23, 2011, 08:39:50 PM
Quote from: Tigger on September 23, 2011, 08:38:06 PM
Oh yeah, Fbomb who?

Funny you wrote that, I was going to say the exact same thing before I pressed post.  :D

I never really minded Francois. I imagine coming from as talented a team as he was used to it was somewhat perplexing playing for half an AHL team without a goalie. It says a lot about him, to me, that Anaheim gave up such a potential talent in Jake to acquire him, or Burke really has the Samueli tapes, whatever. I know, I know Lupul was the real deal but c'mon.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: brothert on September 23, 2011, 08:54:56 PM
Quote from: BlueWhiteBlood on September 23, 2011, 08:42:35 PM
Quote from: JohnK's Revenge on September 23, 2011, 08:37:51 PM
That was a nice breakup by Aulie.  He has the reach and size I just wish he was nastier i guess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE2akwOU10Y
That was a nice fight and it's good to know he won't be intimidated.  What I am trying to say is that when he plays he kinda plays really clean.  Hardly ever stands his man up at the blue line but that maybe because he would get burned real bad if he tried.  He reminds me of a poor guys hal gill.  He's quite a bit more mobile than gill but gill is much more physical and edgier.  It's early days yet but Gardiner stands out as being way flashier.  Mind you i don't think franson has done much of anything either.  Kadri has looked hungry this time about, cant wait to see if he's for real over 82 games
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on September 23, 2011, 08:55:47 PM
Quote from: Tigger on September 23, 2011, 08:46:37 PM
I never really minded Francois. I imagine coming from as talented a team as he was used to it was somewhat perplexing playing for half an AHL team without a goalie. It says a lot about him, to me, that Anaheim gave up such a potential talent in Jake to acquire him, or Burke really has the Samueli tapes, whatever. I know, I know Lupul was the real deal but c'mon.

The deal is looking better by the day.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Tigger on September 23, 2011, 09:00:40 PM
Quote from: JohnK's Revenge on September 23, 2011, 08:54:56 PM
Quote from: BlueWhiteBlood on September 23, 2011, 08:42:35 PM
Quote from: JohnK's Revenge on September 23, 2011, 08:37:51 PM
That was a nice breakup by Aulie.  He has the reach and size I just wish he was nastier i guess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE2akwOU10Y
That was a nice fight and it's good to know he won't be intimidated.  What I am trying to say is that when he plays he kinda plays really clean.  Hardly ever stands his man up at the blue line but that maybe because he would get burned real bad if he tried.  He reminds me of a poor guys hal gill.  He's quite a bit more mobile than gill but gill is much more physical and edgier.  It's early days yet but Gardiner stands out as being way flashier.  Mind you i don't think franson has done much of anything either.  Kadri has looked hungry this time about, cant wait to see if he's for real over 82 games

I think Kadri is approaching his cusp, I honestly think he'll be NHL ready this year, probably early.

With Aulie I think what you see is what you get, a defensive slow burning flame that you don't want to fan. He'll be fine.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on September 23, 2011, 09:06:13 PM
Jim Ralph just declared that Gardiner has the "wow factor."

Also, the guy who replaced Beyak is bland.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on September 23, 2011, 09:12:24 PM
I saw shoulder on shoulder personally.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: brothert on September 23, 2011, 09:12:52 PM
So was that suspendable?
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Chev-boyar-sky on September 23, 2011, 09:13:01 PM
I guess I don't know what a penalty is anymore. It seemed pretty obviously to me as shoulder to shoulder contact.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Potvin29 on September 23, 2011, 09:15:16 PM
So is Phaneuf gonna be allowed to hit this year?

Interference?
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Tigger on September 23, 2011, 09:16:36 PM
Quote from: McPwnage on September 23, 2011, 08:30:46 PM
My projection of our defence right now

Phanuef - Aulie
Schenn - Liles
Franson - Gardiner

sorry gunnar you are good but Gardiner is just better.  Also komi will be there but that is just cause we can't put him on waivers, allready having a shaky training camp when with last year he needed to come into it with everything he had.

Just to revisit, perhaps...

Liles                 Phaneuf
Gardiner            Schenn
Aulie/Gunnar      Franson

Good grief.

Notice how I didn't include Komi, he's been pretty, pretty brutal so far. There really is only so much slack, still, nice problem.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Tigger on September 23, 2011, 09:17:35 PM
Quote from: Potvin29 on September 23, 2011, 09:15:16 PM
So is Phaneuf gonna be allowed to hit this year?

Interference?

Is that what the call was? Cereal, missed it but saw the hit.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Propellertop on September 23, 2011, 09:19:40 PM
Too many penalties....leads to a goal against. Grrrrrrrrrrr.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: pnjunction on September 23, 2011, 09:20:07 PM
How nice of the refs to step up and decide this close game
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: brothert on September 23, 2011, 09:21:20 PM
Quote from: Tigger on September 23, 2011, 09:16:36 PM
Quote from: McPwnage on September 23, 2011, 08:30:46 PM
My projection of our defence right now

Phanuef - Aulie
Schenn - Liles
Franson - Gardiner

sorry gunnar you are good but Gardiner is just better.  Also komi will be there but that is just cause we can't put him on waivers, allready having a shaky training camp when with last year he needed to come into it with everything he had.

Just to revisit, perhaps...

Liles                 Phaneuf
Gardiner            Schenn
Aulie/Gunnar      Franson

Good grief.

Notice how I didn't include Komi, he's been pretty, pretty brutal so far. There really is only so much slack, still, nice problem.
How much are we paying for two guys (komi and finger) who aren't good enough to be our 7th dman this year? 7.5 million? Wow!
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Bullfrog on September 23, 2011, 09:23:59 PM
$9.5 million actually. The cap hit would be $8M if they were both on the team.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Tigger on September 23, 2011, 09:29:28 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on September 23, 2011, 09:23:59 PM
$9.5 million actually. The cap hit would be $8M if they were both on the team.

Factor Lombardi and that's some cheddar, 13 mil?
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Chev-boyar-sky on September 23, 2011, 09:31:56 PM
Reimer is good.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: brothert on September 23, 2011, 09:36:28 PM
That was the most exciting offensive play from the leafs in a looooong time.  some really sharp 1 touch passes.  Liles really has a knack for bringing down pucks.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres L2-1
Post by: WAYNEINIONA on September 23, 2011, 09:52:50 PM
Good game. Came down to a goaltending duel and Miller won.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres 7:00pm Leafs TV
Post by: Kessel Run on September 24, 2011, 08:34:33 AM
Quote from: Tigger on September 23, 2011, 09:29:28 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on September 23, 2011, 09:23:59 PM
$9.5 million actually. The cap hit would be $8M if they were both on the team.

Factor Lombardi and that's some cheddar, 13 mil?

Well if Lombardi were healthy he would more than likely be in the lineup.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres L2-1
Post by: Deebo on September 24, 2011, 08:46:04 AM
I don't think 3 strong pre-season games is enough to take Aulie's spot on the team. I think Aulie  earned a chance to start the year with the Leafs last season.

I think Gardiner will start in the AHL and will get a chance with the Leafs sometime during the year.
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres L2-1
Post by: Sarge on September 24, 2011, 09:07:13 AM
Quote from: Deebo on September 24, 2011, 08:46:04 AM
I don't think 3 strong pre-season games is enough to take Aulie's spot on the team. I think Aulie  earned a chance to start the year with the Leafs last season.

I think Gardiner will start in the AHL and will get a chance with the Leafs sometime during the year.

Yeah... I think I agree with that. I remember two years ago a lot of people (myself included) was gaga over Stalberg. Not that I don't think Gardiner (or Stalberg for that matter) is worth being excited about but my point is I'm not sure what a handful of pre-season games will tell you. Someone is going to absolutely implode on the blue-line (or get dealt) I feel if Gardiner is to secure a roster spot - regardless of how he plays.   
Title: Re: Preseason GDT 4: Leafs vs Sabres L2-1
Post by: Bender on September 24, 2011, 11:25:24 AM
Just watched the game in 6. Looks like the Leafs had the better chances, but just couldn't stuff them. Looks like the Sabres game plan again is to rely on Miller.

Reims looks very solid, stats looked good. Nice to see Gardiner play well. Looks like it just didn't go our way tonight, because it seemed like both teams stacked up pretty well against each other.