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Re: 2021 Blue Jays General Discussion Thread
« Reply #180 on: May 20, 2021, 10:27:26 AM »
He still needs to work on his offspeed pitch.  He's dominating because of his fastball/slider combination but he struggles to locate his offspeed pitch.  He's going to need that to have sustained success.

Yeah. He’ll definitely struggle at the MLB level if he can’t locate all his pitches. The fastball-slider combo will be enough for him to survive, but not enough for him to fully realize his potential.

Underhand changeup ought to do the trick (anyone remember Rookie of the Year?).
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« Reply #181 on: May 20, 2021, 01:26:01 PM »
I really, really, really like Manoah.  He does have four pitches.  He throws both a 2-seam and 4-seam fastball.  He also has a very above average slider.  His changeup does have movement but he has a hard time getting it to hit his spots right now.  What is going to limit Manoah in the majors right now is that everything he throws right now is fast and he doesn't have a reliable offspeed pitch to mix up against hitters.  He also doesn't have a pitch to break on LHP and that is going to hurt him far more in the majors than any other level.

His slider has some phenomenal late breaking movement. 

This year might not be a good year to throw him to the wolves though as the baseball right now seems to be designed to be pretty favourable to pitchers.  The ball has been nerfed so far.

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« Reply #182 on: May 21, 2021, 03:43:49 PM »
I really, really, really like Manoah.  He does have four pitches.  He throws both a 2-seam and 4-seam fastball.  He also has a very above average slider.  His changeup does have movement but he has a hard time getting it to hit his spots right now.  What is going to limit Manoah in the majors right now is that everything he throws right now is fast and he doesn't have a reliable offspeed pitch to mix up against hitters.  He also doesn't have a pitch to break on LHP and that is going to hurt him far more in the majors than any other level.

His slider has some phenomenal late breaking movement. 

This year might not be a good year to throw him to the wolves though as the baseball right now seems to be designed to be pretty favourable to pitchers.  The ball has been nerfed so far.
The guy is heading towards 24, what are we saving him for?  Guy is a beast and has confidence coming out his ying yang.  And after another bummer performance by Raw Striploin, we need something more
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Re: 2021 Blue Jays General Discussion Thread
« Reply #183 on: May 22, 2021, 05:35:18 PM »
Forget his age. He has 35 innings of minor league pitching under his belt. What’s the rush?

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Re: 2021 Blue Jays General Discussion Thread
« Reply #184 on: May 23, 2021, 12:36:36 PM »
Forget his age. He has 35 innings of minor league pitching under his belt. What’s the rush?

Exactly. He’s barely begun his professional career.
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« Reply #185 on: May 23, 2021, 01:10:37 PM »
He's dominating and the Jays are thin in the rotation, I'd give him a shot.

If he can run with it, great.. if not he can go back down, no harm done.

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« Reply #186 on: May 23, 2021, 04:12:38 PM »
The bullpen has had a rough week.

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« Reply #187 on: May 23, 2021, 06:34:46 PM »
He's dominating and the Jays are thin in the rotation, I'd give him a shot.

If he can run with it, great.. if not he can go back down, no harm done.

You say that but didn’t the Jays basically lose a year with Halladay? I remember he came up early and then somehow messed up his delivery and he had to be ‘rebuilt’ in the minors.

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« Reply #188 on: May 23, 2021, 09:35:55 PM »
He's dominating and the Jays are thin in the rotation, I'd give him a shot.

If he can run with it, great.. if not he can go back down, no harm done.

You say that but didn’t the Jays basically lose a year with Halladay? I remember he came up early and then somehow messed up his delivery and he had to be ‘rebuilt’ in the minors.

Halladay was passable in his first full year (1999) but then they had to send him down to AAA halfway through his second full season because he was awful.

Then he started 2001 all the way down in A+. After a few relief appearances at A+,5 starts at AA, and 2 at AAA, he was back in the majors and never looked back. 2000 was a lost year, but I don't know if that was because he was called up early.

Also, I'm not saying let Manoah get lit up for half a year. One start, if it works, give him another, if not go down. Like they did with Pearson.

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Re: 2021 Blue Jays General Discussion Thread
« Reply #189 on: May 24, 2021, 09:40:06 AM »
Thanks for the breakdown. I didn’t remember exactly how it went down.

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Re: 2021 Blue Jays General Discussion Thread
« Reply #190 on: May 24, 2021, 07:23:59 PM »
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« Reply #191 on: May 25, 2021, 12:36:32 PM »
Hope it works out for Manoah, after all the Pearson hype its refreshing that this guy is up without half the fanfare of poor Nate.
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« Reply #192 on: May 27, 2021, 01:46:53 PM »
Not Jays, but I love galaxy brain baseball

Credit to Baez, but really... 1B, dude.
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« Reply #193 on: May 27, 2021, 01:49:26 PM »
Not Jays, but I love galaxy brain baseball

Credit to Baez, but really... 1B, dude.
Especially when there were already 2 outs!
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Re: 2021 Blue Jays General Discussion Thread
« Reply #194 on: May 27, 2021, 01:52:40 PM »
Just terrible lack of awareness there. If you can't get to him in one or two steps go straight to the bag. That's something that should have been drilled into them when they were kids.
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