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#1
Tavares
Woll (I wouldn't call those two goals "faltering")
#4
Former Leafs: Ex-Files / Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
March 04, 2023, 07:28:24 AM
Can't say I've never thrown something at a referee before. I guess I was lucky enough to miss.
#5
While Pastrnak has been relatively healthy in his career he has missed time due to injury. Nothing has been career threatening yet, but that could change at any point. I think if his desire is to stay in Boston, and he can take advantage of that extra year of contract, it only makes sense to take a little less to make it happen.
#6
NHL Transactions / Re: sens acquire Jakob Chychrun
March 01, 2023, 07:56:17 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 01, 2023, 07:27:37 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 01, 2023, 06:12:15 PMNot trade related but how on earth does the sens social media manager not know how to thread tweets together??

Because they cheaped out, as usual. Probably just some random admin person running their socials.

It's probably the same guy that sharpens the skates.
#7
Quote from: Dappleganger on March 01, 2023, 09:37:41 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 01, 2023, 07:02:59 AM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on February 28, 2023, 05:27:20 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on February 28, 2023, 05:15:09 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on February 28, 2023, 05:02:50 PMI'm not sure I'm on board with the roster changing THIS much.  Keefe is going to have his hands full figuring it all out.
Why. He moved out 2 guys that have ahard time with the heavy game.

Sandin is a big loss.  As I said earlier, we'll be rueing this like we did Stralman.  Engvall's return is an irritant to me, but I don't have a problem moving him, even though I like parts of his game.

And my point is that rejiggering the chemistry will be a big challenge for the coaches.

Maybe it's just me, but was there a lot of "rueing" done over Stralman? Like did anyone look back over the years and think "man if we could turn back time". I'll give you that Stralman had a pretty ok career. But personally, I don't remember ever thinking "we'd be so much better if we had Anton Stralman".

I'm not over the moon on the Sandin deal, but I also don't think losing him moves the needle a lot. He was the number 5 or 6 dman on this team for much of the season....even with a rash of injuries. His use was trending downwards and was going to be even less with McCabe added to the roster. I mean, if we're going to look solely at offensive upside(which is the majority of what Sandin brings at this point), Connor Timmins has 7 less points in 30 less games.

Sure I'd like a little more return for Sandin as I do think he has potential to be pretty good. Unfortunately, he hasn't shown much of that yet so his value isn't going to be as high as we'd like it to be.

I think the Stralman thing is, if you at all the Leafs trades over the last 20 years, he's one of the few players traded away, who was a legit NHL player, and went on to have a decent career. Most didn't.


It would be great if all Leafs trades worked out solely for the Leafs...I don't think that could ever be the case. If it did, the Leafs would be hailed as having the best scouting/management departments in the league.
#8
Quote from: Zee on March 01, 2023, 08:49:41 AM
Quote from: Nik on March 01, 2023, 08:15:16 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 01, 2023, 07:02:59 AMMaybe it's just me, but was there a lot of "rueing" done over Stralman? Like did anyone look back over the years and think "man if we could turn back time". I'll give you that Stralman had a pretty ok career. But personally, I don't remember ever thinking "we'd be so much better if we had Anton Stralman".

It's certainly not on the level of, say, Rask I agree. I do think there was quite a bit of regret over it but not because Stralman became some sort of legend or anything but more because he was indicative of a general dissatisfaction with the club and their ability to identify talented players during a real low point for the club. Like, the Stralman trade came the year after the Jeff Finger signing.

And I do think there's maybe some parallel with how this deal is being perceived. Like I said in my review of the trade, I don't think the value here is way off but there is a sort of, like, wondering why you'd do this with one of the team's very few young assets with potential when it doesn't seem necessary.


I also equated Sandin's loss to Stralman.  Not to say Stralman was a legend by any means, but he had a solid career in the league, played in over 100 playoff games and went to two Stanley Cup Finals.  If Sandin's career turns out as good as that, well, it's better than any Leafs defenseman of the last 56 years.  At least the Leafs received a 1st back in the deal, which can be used to acquire someone else, so it's better than the Stralman trade for sure.

Perhaps there is parallel in the two trades. I'm also confused about the 'why' of the trade. Not really concerned about the loss though. Not right now at least. And perhaps people are correct. I hope they are for the sake of Sandin succeeding.

#9
Quote from: Nik on March 01, 2023, 08:15:16 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 01, 2023, 07:02:59 AMMaybe it's just me, but was there a lot of "rueing" done over Stralman? Like did anyone look back over the years and think "man if we could turn back time". I'll give you that Stralman had a pretty ok career. But personally, I don't remember ever thinking "we'd be so much better if we had Anton Stralman".

It's certainly not on the level of, say, Rask I agree. I do think there was quite a bit of regret over it but not because Stralman became some sort of legend or anything but more because he was indicative of a general dissatisfaction with the club and their ability to identify talented players during a real low point for the club. Like, the Stralman trade came the year after the Jeff Finger signing.

And I do think there's maybe some parallel with how this deal is being perceived. Like I said in my review of the trade, I don't think the value here is way off but there is a sort of, like, wondering why you'd do this with one of the team's very few young assets with potential when it doesn't seem necessary.


I agree with all of that. Like I said, I scratched my head when I heard about the trade. I'm also not ready to hang Dubas for it either.
#10
NHL Transactions / Re: Quick/Korpisalo
March 01, 2023, 08:49:09 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 01, 2023, 08:38:42 AMSeems fine for the Kings. Will really depend on if Korpisalo keeps playing well. If they moved Quick, who was obviously very much loved in that dressing room, to get Korpisalo and he doesn't end up being an upgrade over him and that'd be pretty rough.

I don't follow Columbus so I don't know a lot about Korpisalo but has he been really good? His SV% is good I guess, but he's only played in half of Columbus' games.
#11
NHL Transactions / Re: Quick/Korpisalo
March 01, 2023, 07:09:51 AM
I never realized that Korpisalo has been around for so long. His stache is great!
#12
My thoughts on the trades:

Sandin: See above. I'm not over the moon on it, but I'm not too upset about it either
Engvall: Meh. A 3rd rounder is about right for an ok PK guy that doesn't contribute a whole bunch.
Schenn: Not sure why, but ok
#13
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on February 28, 2023, 05:27:20 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on February 28, 2023, 05:15:09 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on February 28, 2023, 05:02:50 PMI'm not sure I'm on board with the roster changing THIS much.  Keefe is going to have his hands full figuring it all out.
Why. He moved out 2 guys that have ahard time with the heavy game.

Sandin is a big loss.  As I said earlier, we'll be rueing this like we did Stralman.  Engvall's return is an irritant to me, but I don't have a problem moving him, even though I like parts of his game.

And my point is that rejiggering the chemistry will be a big challenge for the coaches.

Maybe it's just me, but was there a lot of "rueing" done over Stralman? Like did anyone look back over the years and think "man if we could turn back time". I'll give you that Stralman had a pretty ok career. But personally, I don't remember ever thinking "we'd be so much better if we had Anton Stralman".

I'm not over the moon on the Sandin deal, but I also don't think losing him moves the needle a lot. He was the number 5 or 6 dman on this team for much of the season....even with a rash of injuries. His use was trending downwards and was going to be even less with McCabe added to the roster. I mean, if we're going to look solely at offensive upside(which is the majority of what Sandin brings at this point), Connor Timmins has 7 less points in 30 less games.

Sure I'd like a little more return for Sandin as I do think he has potential to be pretty good. Unfortunately, he hasn't shown much of that yet so his value isn't going to be as high as we'd like it to be.
#14
Quote from: L K on February 27, 2023, 04:05:45 PM
Quote from: lamajama on February 27, 2023, 03:58:49 PMWhat really p***es me off is that due to
the stupid playoff structure after the first round some incredible Eastern teams are going to be out.

Pffft. Want to explode your sport Gary?

At minimum 1 v 8. In my dreams 1 v 16.

I mean in fairness to the 1v8

Current format

Boston v Pittsburgh
Toronto v Tampa

Carolina v NYI
NJ v NYR

1v8 format

Boston v Pittsburgh
Carolina v NYI
NJ v NYR
Toronto v Tampa

It's the same format.  It just gets bad in round 2.


I mean, looking at that, there's noone that really has an "easy out" other than maybe Carolina. The NYR vs NJ series is going to be intense if it lines up. And who really wants to pull Malkin and Crosby in the first round?