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Title: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 11, 2021, 07:46:13 AM
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: OldTimeHockey on June 11, 2021, 10:19:42 AM
Do I have to turn in my Leaf fan membership if I'm cheering for Montreal?

I've always been an underdog guy. If my team is out, I pick the team with the lower chance of winning and I root for them.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Dappleganger on June 11, 2021, 10:38:32 AM
Do I have to turn in my Leaf fan membership if I'm cheering for Montreal?

I've always been an underdog guy. If my team is out, I pick the team with the lower chance of winning and I root for them.

Nope. Go for it!
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 11, 2021, 10:48:09 AM
I get cheering for the underdog but once the Leafs are gone I just want entertaining hockey. So I'm fine with ignoring any kind of dislike we're "supposed" to have against Montreal and New York but I still want to see Tampa and Vegas go at it in the Finals since it'll likely provide the highest levels of entertainment for when I do turn the games on.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: bustaheims on June 11, 2021, 10:49:54 AM
I get cheering for the underdog but once the Leafs are gone I just want entertaining hockey. So I'm fine with ignoring any kind of dislike we're "supposed" to have against Montreal and New York but I still want to see Tampa and Vegas go at it in the Finals since it'll likely provide the highest levels of entertainment for when I do turn the games on.

Mostly same. I do want Montreal to get run-over to shut up the Habs fans I know, but, other than that, at this point, don't really care who else wins.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 11, 2021, 10:52:34 AM
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Guilt Trip on June 11, 2021, 10:59:32 AM
I get cheering for the underdog but once the Leafs are gone I just want entertaining hockey. So I'm fine with ignoring any kind of dislike we're "supposed" to have against Montreal and New York but I still want to see Tampa and Vegas go at it in the Finals since it'll likely provide the highest levels of entertainment for when I do turn the games on.

Mostly same. I do want Montreal to get run-over to shut up the Habs fans I know, but, other than that, at this point, don't really care who else wins.
Same here. Don't really care who wins but like CTB said, would love to see Tampa and Vegas go at it.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: L K on June 11, 2021, 11:09:41 AM
I don’t care really but New York and Montreal both play suppressive hockey.  I don’t really care for success coming to teams that play a modern day version of the trap
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Guilt Trip on June 11, 2021, 11:17:45 AM
I don’t care really but New York and Montreal both play suppressive hockey.  I don’t really care for success coming to teams that play a modern day version of the trap
Very good point.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: OldTimeHockey on June 11, 2021, 11:43:01 AM
I still want to see Tampa and Vegas go at it in the Finals since it'll likely provide the highest levels of entertainment for when I do turn the games on.

I see that as a foregone conclusion with the teams left..Though, we've been wrong before...in these playoffs. So who knows.

Also, with my original thought in mind, I can't bring myself to cheer for the Islanders.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: bustaheims on June 11, 2021, 12:13:44 PM
I don’t care really but New York and Montreal both play suppressive hockey.  I don’t really care for success coming to teams that play a modern day version of the trap

Yeah. They also both lack high-end offence. They take similar approaches defensively, but very different on offence. Montreal throws as much as they can towards the net in the hopes that the quantity of shots makes up for the lower quality - they play a high event game, but without much actual excitement. The Islanders try to create the highest possible quality chances before shooting the puck, which leads to very low event hockey that's about as exciting as watching paint dry.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: RedLeaf on June 13, 2021, 01:39:12 PM
Montreal in 6!
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: WAYNEINIONA on June 13, 2021, 02:33:19 PM

 Anyone but Montreal.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Nik on June 13, 2021, 02:38:45 PM

I'm nominally cheering for the Habs I guess but I'm pretty uninterested in actually watching any of this.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: azzurri63 on June 13, 2021, 08:48:53 PM

 Anyone but Montreal.

Ditto
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Arn on June 14, 2021, 05:26:37 AM
I actually wouldn't mind Carey Price winning the cup.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Bill_Berg_is_sad on June 14, 2021, 10:20:03 AM
I cheer for the team whose fans will cause me the least grief. Montreal fans are among those that cause the most.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 14, 2021, 03:14:33 PM

 Anyone but Montreal.

Ditto
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

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Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Dappleganger on June 14, 2021, 04:43:25 PM
Vegas is the enemy, yeah? (Gifted a competitive team due to overly favourable expansion draft rules)
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 14, 2021, 05:02:33 PM
Vegas is the enemy, yeah? (Gifted a competitive team due to overly favourable expansion draft rules)

The expansion draft rules weren't really that favourable, Vegas just did a great job making a small handful of teams look extremely dumb. I think they should also be given a ton of credit for being super-aggressive and going out and getting a 1LW (Pacioretty), a 1RW (Stone), a 1G (Lehner), and a 1D (Pietrangelo) all in a span of 2 years while a bunch of other GMs just sat on their butts and did nothing to improve their teams.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Nik on June 14, 2021, 05:06:47 PM
Vegas is the enemy, yeah? (Gifted a competitive team due to overly favourable expansion draft rules)

The expansion draft rules weren't really that favourable, Vegas just did a great job making a small handful of teams look extremely dumb. I think they should also be given a ton of credit for being super-aggressive and going out and getting a 1LW (Pacioretty), a 1RW (Stone), a 1G (Lehner), and a 1D (Pietrangelo) all in a span of 2 years while a bunch of other GMs just sat on their butts and did nothing to improve their teams.

Yeah, have to keep in mind that if the expansion draft rules had been as restrictive as in the past then that would have left Vegas with a bunch of minimum salary guys and, in order to reach the minimum, would have had a ton of money to sign UFAs so they probably get to competitiveness pretty quick regardless.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Bender on June 14, 2021, 06:21:59 PM

I'm nominally cheering for the Habs I guess but I'm pretty uninterested in actually watching any of this.
I'm curious just because the Habs steamrolled Winnipeg, but yeah I'm not the biggest fan, and I definitely won't be interested in the final, pretty much whatever combination it is.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Bender on June 14, 2021, 10:26:06 PM
The Habs looked good in the beginning but are taking some bad penalties. Also I thought the Leafs should've tried shot faking Price more. He bites pretty easily.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Arn on June 15, 2021, 05:28:11 AM
I cheer for the team whose fans will cause me the least grief. Montreal fans are among those that cause the most.

Thankfully not an issue we have in Ireland. I don't think I know of any Habs fans here and the hockey fan fraternity isn't exactly huge  ;D
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: 4EVRLEAFAN on June 15, 2021, 07:14:55 AM

 Anyone but Montreal.

Thank you, or Ottawa.  >:( >:(
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: OldTimeHockey on June 15, 2021, 08:19:48 AM
Also I thought the Leafs should've tried shot faking Price more. He bites pretty easily.

With Price's increased age, I find he's relying less on his speed and more on his positioning. He's playing aggressive to take away more of the net. That leaves a goalie swimming when the play doesn't go as planned. There were a handful of times in the Leafs series where Marner made him look really silly but couldn't finish.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 15, 2021, 11:38:44 AM
3x more please, Vegas.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on June 15, 2021, 02:04:00 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/H04ZXet.jpg)
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Bender on June 16, 2021, 10:34:44 PM
Jeff Petry looks like he's of the undead.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: L K on June 16, 2021, 11:30:12 PM
I guess the North division wasn’t completely trash after all.  Montreal is primed to win Game 2 up 3-1 with under 5 left
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: 4EVRLEAFAN on June 17, 2021, 10:40:37 AM
I know it's only one game but I don't get it, how does a team so average in the regular season play so well in the playoffs, if they keep playing the way they did last night, you never know. It would suck large, but you never know.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Bender on June 17, 2021, 10:49:45 AM
I know it's only one game but I don't get it, how does a team so average in the regular season play so well in the playoffs, if they keep playing the way they did last night, you never know. It would suck large, but you never know.
Playoff Carey Price.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: L K on June 17, 2021, 10:51:09 AM
I know it's only one game but I don't get it, how does a team so average in the regular season play so well in the playoffs, if they keep playing the way they did last night, you never know. It would suck large, but you never know.

Hockey is the only professional sport that calls the rules completely differently in the postseason than the regular season.   Montreal benefits from being allowed to play interference style hockey in a way that they don't get to do in the regular season.

That and Carey Price is good.  He was not good in the regular season.  Montreal would have had a better record in the regular season if Price was playing with a .930 SV% in the regular season.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: herman on June 18, 2021, 10:47:55 PM
Josh Anderson's last point was...
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: herman on June 18, 2021, 11:20:22 PM
Some people just get all the bounces
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Peter D. on June 18, 2021, 11:21:14 PM
What the hell…

Let’s Go Habs!
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Guilt Trip on June 18, 2021, 11:36:22 PM
Haha. What a joke...Habs get dominated and win lol. Everything is going their way. Vegas' top centre is out...3 straight series with key centres going out for the opposition.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Bender on June 19, 2021, 11:23:07 AM
Haha. What a joke...Habs get dominated and win lol. Everything is going their way. Vegas' top centre is out...3 straight series with key centres going out for the opposition.
The stars are definitely aligning for them.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Frank E on June 19, 2021, 11:25:48 AM
I'm not gonna lie, this is pissing me off.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 19, 2021, 01:13:44 PM
Me too dammit.

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Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: herman on June 20, 2021, 01:39:27 PM
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Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: OldTimeHockey on June 21, 2021, 08:34:18 AM
So, Habs fans are up in arms over a loss and blaming it on the refs. Any truth?
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Bill_Berg_is_sad on June 21, 2021, 08:42:36 AM
I'm not sure if the complaints are sound, but live by the bad reffing, die by the bad reffing.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Guilt Trip on June 21, 2021, 08:52:23 AM
So, Habs fans are up in arms over a loss and blaming it on the refs. Any truth?
They had a beef in the 3rd game with the high stick but last night it was bad for both sides. It didn't cost them the game though.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: bustaheims on June 21, 2021, 09:16:38 AM
I mean, we all know how consistent and by-the-book NHL officials are . . .

It's the playoffs. Every team has had to battle through crappy officiating. By this point, if you can't push through it, you don't deserve to win.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: herman on June 21, 2021, 10:13:47 AM
Moments later…
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 21, 2021, 10:26:25 AM
I'm genuinely surprised we've just about gotten through the entire season and "coaches constantly taking off their mask when they want to talk to other people" has never been addressed by the league. Especially since they appear to have been pretty strict with all their other measures.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: OldTimeHockey on June 21, 2021, 10:41:22 AM
I'm genuinely surprised we've just about gotten through the entire season and "coaches constantly taking off their mask when they want to talk to other people" has never been addressed by the league. Especially since they appear to have been pretty strict with all their other measures.

Ducharme from the Habs was probably the worst I've seen. Every single time he's yelling or even talking, he pulls down the mask. I'm shocked that he's the only confirmed case on that team.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Guilt Trip on June 21, 2021, 10:51:07 AM
One thing I'll say about the Leafs. I like the way they don't dump the puck when changing. They keep possession. I'm finding it strange when Vegas dumps the puck in to do it.  Seems kind of weird be sure I'm used to the way the Leafs play.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: herman on June 21, 2021, 11:03:45 AM
One thing I'll say about the Leafs. I like the way they don't dump the puck when changing. They keep possession. I'm finding it strange when Vegas dumps the puck in to do it.  Seems kind of weird be sure I'm used to the way the Leafs play.

I like having the puck too, but you kind of have to adjust and take what the opposition gives you: every defensive forecheck structure is weak to something and strong against another. The truly successful teams can adapt and play multiple ways so they don't get shut down by low skill counter-attack traps, especially in a 7-game series where there is only one opponent to prepare for.

The Leafs have a lot of good players that can really hold the puck, and not nearly enough players that are elite at going in and getting it. Babcock got the Leafs stuck playing one way: stretch and dump turnover tries until we could sneak one behind; Keefe got them stuck playing in another way: hold it until there were no more options.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: OldTimeHockey on June 21, 2021, 11:16:44 AM
Babcock got the Leafs stuck playing one way: stretch and dump turnover tries until we could sneak one behind; Keefe got them stuck playing in another way: hold it until there were no more options.

Yes, and a hybrid is certainly what is needed. Hyman is the only player that may actually be better with a dump and chase game. The Habs forced Toronto into a dump and chase game and they didn't know what to do. Also, that style will only work if you keep it away from the goalie. Especially a goalie that can handle the puck like Price.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 22, 2021, 10:53:33 PM

Well... at least it wasn't just us.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on June 23, 2021, 12:00:29 AM
If the Habs win the cup, I may be done with the sport of hockey, and maybe sports in general.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: azzurri63 on June 23, 2021, 12:54:39 AM

Well... at least it wasn't just us.

I'm with you. I am actually starting to wonder if the whole thing is fixed.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: 4EVRLEAFAN on June 23, 2021, 10:51:56 AM
I'm not gonna lie, this is pissing me off.

Me too, anyone but the Scabs or Sens
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Nik on June 23, 2021, 04:43:38 PM

It really is weird the knots some people will tie themselves into to avoid facing the pretty obvious reality that the Leafs are not uniquely mentally weak or failing in some intangible way and just that parity means teams are closer to each other than we think and the outcome of short serieses can be fairly random.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Bender on June 23, 2021, 05:18:04 PM

It really is weird the knots some people will tie themselves into to avoid facing the pretty obvious reality that the Leafs are not uniquely mentally weak or failing in some intangible way and just that parity means teams are closer to each other than we think and the outcome of short serieses can be fairly random.
And teams can go hot or cold at the right or wrong time.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on June 23, 2021, 07:40:50 PM

It really is weird the knots some people will tie themselves into to avoid facing the pretty obvious reality that the Leafs are not uniquely mentally weak or failing in some intangible way and just that parity means teams are closer to each other than we think and the outcome of short serieses can be fairly random.

I'm mostly just jealous, and I don't want to have to live with the narratives that will come out of it.  The Leafs rebuilt the way that they were supposed to, and they were beaten by a team that constructed the team the way the Leafs used to build theirs through trades and signings, and there is a possibility that the Habs will win the cup using that process.  It's just one more drop in the hapless history of the Leafs bucket.

For the narrative, I can see the stories and the exclamations of how Suzuki, Kotkaniemi and Caufield are better than Matthews, Marner, and Nylander because they show up in the playoffs and they have rings and they are sure to lead the Habs to a couple of more cups. 

The fact that they are local doesn't help.  I'm sure Bruins fans were ecstatic when they beat the Leafs, but we just didn't hear about it as much.   
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Nik on June 23, 2021, 08:22:15 PM
I'm mostly just jealous, and I don't want to have to live with the narratives that will come out of it.  The Leafs rebuilt the way that they were supposed to, and they were beaten by a team that constructed the team the way the Leafs used to build theirs through trades and signings, and there is a possibility that the Habs will win the cup using that process.  It's just one more drop in the hapless history of the Leafs bucket.

For the narrative, I can see the stories and the exclamations of how Suzuki, Kotkaniemi and Caufield are better than Matthews, Marner, and Nylander because they show up in the playoffs and they have rings and they are sure to lead the Habs to a couple of more cups. 

The fact that they are local doesn't help.  I'm sure Bruins fans were ecstatic when they beat the Leafs, but we just didn't hear about it as much.

I have personal reasons why if the Habs were to win the cup, I'd be effectively fine with it(family members who are Habs fans, some who've had tough hurdles recently) but even beyond that the only thing I'd say is you really need to let that stuff go. You really don't need to take in media that delivers simplistic narratives like that.

Obviously being a Leafs fan has meant a lot of frustration but one of the things I've noticed in the last month or so is just how many other fanbases feel effectively the same. The Knicks this year won their first playoff game in 8 years and have gone almost 50 years without a title, The Detroit Lions have a hapless history without any real optimism in sight, The Pittsburgh Pirates have been consistently terrible for 25 years and so on.

I do get it but, really, if you don't like the narrative being presented by someone you don't have to give it much thought.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Guilt Trip on June 23, 2021, 09:07:54 PM
Well said Nik...
It can only bother you if you let it. I say it all the time. It's only hockey and when it comes down to it, the Leafs winning and losing has no effect on my life
 It used to but I found it to be a real waste of energy.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on June 23, 2021, 09:16:18 PM
I'm mostly just jealous, and I don't want to have to live with the narratives that will come out of it.  The Leafs rebuilt the way that they were supposed to, and they were beaten by a team that constructed the team the way the Leafs used to build theirs through trades and signings, and there is a possibility that the Habs will win the cup using that process.  It's just one more drop in the hapless history of the Leafs bucket.

For the narrative, I can see the stories and the exclamations of how Suzuki, Kotkaniemi and Caufield are better than Matthews, Marner, and Nylander because they show up in the playoffs and they have rings and they are sure to lead the Habs to a couple of more cups. 

The fact that they are local doesn't help.  I'm sure Bruins fans were ecstatic when they beat the Leafs, but we just didn't hear about it as much.

I have personal reasons why if the Habs were to win the cup, I'd be effectively fine with it(family members who are Habs fans, some who've had tough hurdles recently) but even beyond that the only thing I'd say is you really need to let that stuff go. You really don't need to take in media that delivers simplistic narratives like that.

Obviously being a Leafs fan has meant a lot of frustration but one of the things I've noticed in the last month or so is just how many other fanbases feel effectively the same. The Knicks this year won their first playoff game in 8 years and have gone almost 50 years without a title, The Detroit Lions have a hapless history without any real optimism in sight, The Pittsburgh Pirates have been consistently terrible for 25 years and so on.

I do get it but, really, if you don't like the narrative being presented by someone you don't have to give it much thought.

You could throw the Buffalo Bills, Buffalo Sabres, and the Cleveland Browns into that mix.  Up until recently the Cubs were known as the lovable losers for good reason. 

I understand the advice you are giving, and I wish that I was good at letting things go.  It's just that this is the area of sport that I struggle the most with.  I have what used to be called Asperger's syndrome.  Now it just means that I am on the autistic spectrum.  My super power is that I was born without a filter for my emotions, and that I want everything to be black or white.  Of course I live in a world that is one giant shade of grey.

 I enjoy watching sports.  I love to see the plays that people make as they unfold at this unnatural speed to culminate in an achievement.  I think of the Lemieux goal against Boston when he deked out Ray Bourque, or Carter hitting the home run to win the world series, or the Leonard shot that bounced 4 times.  These are awesome things to witness as they unfold before you.

For me, a game boils down to wins and loses, and then from there I try and make sense of it.  What sets me off is when people are hypocritical or completely biased in their breakdowns of how they see something taking place, because I strive to push things into a black or white category.  So a fan base that complains about penalties that aren't called when they lose, only to cheer on a team that wins by playing that style seems wrong to me.  If you didn't like the fact that you lost when a team beat you because the refs didn't call the penalties, then you really shouldn't take pride in the fact that the team that you cheer for now wins by playing that style.  That's the sort thing that really irks me.  I understand that the whole basis of sports talk radio is built on hypocrisy and biased "takes", so I try and stay clear of it.  It's just in todays day and age it's really hard to shut it all out.

Like I really dislike Jack Edwards.  I really don't go looking for information on him.  If I never hear another word from him my life would be just dandy, but inevitably, if the Leafs play the Bruins, someway, somehow, I will be exposed to one of his tweets, and it will make my eye twitch.  I get that is the whole reason that he is doing it, which is why I think it is wrong, because why do you want to make someone angry?  I hate when I am angry, because of that whole no filter thing, so I avoid getting angry like I am Bruce Banner.  I go out of my way to try and decompress situations, and here are these people that will just openly lob grenades into fanbases just to watch the world burn. 
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: L K on June 24, 2021, 08:42:58 PM
Habs go up 1-0 on the PP
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: L K on June 24, 2021, 10:32:41 PM
Tied 2-2 with under 10 left

I don’t have faith in the Leafs core to do anything at this point
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: L K on June 24, 2021, 10:42:18 PM
Refs in fine form letting a hit to the head go
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: L K on June 24, 2021, 11:05:41 PM
And there we go.  Montreal to the Cup finals……
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 24, 2021, 11:09:42 PM
Speechless.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Guilt Trip on June 24, 2021, 11:12:19 PM
The stars are aligned....let's see which star gets hurt for the next round lol.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: louisstamos on June 24, 2021, 11:15:43 PM
If anything, though, this makes me feel a bit better about the Leafs.  They just had the misfortune of playing the cup final team in the first round, and (while this requires some serious Butterfly Effect rationale) if Tavares doesn't get injured in game #1, they're probably in this position right now.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: L K on June 24, 2021, 11:19:51 PM
It really doesn’t make me feel better.  They had them on the ropes and couldn’t finish. There are just too many things like the David Ayers game, the Vancouver COVID game and the lack of production in elimination games that I just don’t trust anything about this team anymore.  I don’t see how you change the lineup to suddenly produce.   This has just made me even more dejected on this roster.

Good for Montreal though.  They showed up after Game 4 and have earned their Cup berth.  The Leafs on the other hand can’t be bothered to start playoff games
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: TheMightyOdin on June 24, 2021, 11:31:19 PM
So who is a tougher opponent for Montreal? Tampa? Right?
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Bender on June 24, 2021, 11:35:27 PM
We truly are in the stupidest timeline.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Nik on June 24, 2021, 11:36:43 PM
So who is a tougher opponent for Montreal? Tampa? Right?

Who knows?
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: lamajama on June 24, 2021, 11:58:07 PM
We truly are in the stupidest timeline.

That is not an understatement in any way…. :-[
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on June 25, 2021, 12:09:49 AM
The stars are aligned....let's see which star gets hurt for the next round lol.

Kucherov got hurt last game.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on June 25, 2021, 12:21:26 AM
Well I guess on further thought, I have to give the Habs credit, because if the situation was reversed I would be pretty excited.  They made it to the finals.

Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: bustaheims on June 25, 2021, 07:12:24 AM
Ugh
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: OldTimeHockey on June 25, 2021, 07:30:24 AM
I really have no problem with Montreal getting through. Nor do I have a problem with Hab fans ribbing me because I cheer for the Leafs. It's been an endless cycle the last 40 years of my life and it generally rolls off my back.

Personally I'd much rather the Canadiens win the cup than any of the teams left. It's not that I like the Habs. I just like them more than the Lightning and Islanders.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: 4EVRLEAFAN on June 25, 2021, 08:19:03 AM
If anything, though, this makes me feel a bit better about the Leafs.  They just had the misfortune of playing the cup final team in the first round, and (while this requires some serious Butterfly Effect rationale) if Tavares doesn't get injured in game #1, they're probably in this position right now.

Doesn't make me feel better at all, we were up 3-1, all we had to do was win one stinking game, one! And we choked.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: herman on June 25, 2021, 09:11:26 AM
I think some credit has to go to the Canadiens for how they play. Their deployment is extremely even so every forward is hella fresh and forechecks hard all over the ice, which gets them the puck in opportune moments (counter attacks). Price playing really well only helps that cause.

Danault's line (and Price) has shut down pretty much every other top line they've faced. By the underlying numbers, the Matthews' line did just about everything but score.

Toronto beat Montreal more times than Winnipeg and Vegas did combined. No Montreal player has more goals than William Nylander going into the Cup final. Hockey is weird.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Peter D. on June 25, 2021, 10:01:48 AM
Good on Montreal.  Taking advantage of their opportunity and running with it. 

I'm in no need of feeling jealousy or hatred towards the Habs at this point.  Instead, I'm re-directing my frustration and annoyance squarely on the Leafs, who completely botched things up.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: bustaheims on June 25, 2021, 10:20:06 AM
Toronto beat Montreal more times than Winnipeg and Vegas did combined. No Montreal player has more goals than William Nylander going into the Cup final. Hockey is weird.

Montreal was a bad bounce away from being eliminated in the 1st round. Obviously, that bounce didn't happen, but, still...

Nevertheless, when the Leafs and Habs face in the playoffs, the winner has always won the Cup. Montreal has put themselves in position to keep that going.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: bustaheims on June 25, 2021, 10:36:50 AM
I think what bugs me the most is that Montreal wouldn't have made the playoffs with standard divisional alignment, and there's a good chance they won't make the playoffs next season.

They're the 90/91 Minnesota North Stars.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 25, 2021, 10:44:58 AM
I think what bugs me the most is that Montreal wouldn't have made the playoffs with standard divisional alignment, and there's a good chance they won't make the playoffs next season.

They're the 90/91 Minnesota North Stars.

Yeah that's the big thing I can't get over. If a 86-point team can win the Cup then what's even the point of the regular season? I know playoffs can be fluky and every team needs some luck on their side to win once you get there but this just takes it to the extreme.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: herman on June 25, 2021, 10:48:13 AM
Didn't the sens make a Cup final run, get very full of themselves, and subsequently hahahahaha
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: bustaheims on June 25, 2021, 10:56:59 AM
Didn't the sens make a Cup final run, get very full of themselves, and subsequently hahahahaha

They only made the Conference final in a year where they weren't actually good.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: bustaheims on June 25, 2021, 11:01:14 AM
Yeah that's the big thing I can't get over. If a 86-point team can win the Cup then what's even the point of the regular season? I know playoffs can be fluky and every team needs some luck on their side to win once you get there but this just takes it to the extreme.

Yeah. I also think it highlights a issue with the differing officiating standards. With regular season level officiating or stricter, they don't make it out of the first round. With the lapsed enforcement . . . it's no longer about which team is the most talented, has the most skill, whatever, when they should be what the league is looking to highlight in the playoffs. Let the stars be stars when the light shines the brightest.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Frank E on June 25, 2021, 11:13:38 AM
Good on Montreal.  Taking advantage of their opportunity and running with it. 

I'm in no need of feeling jealousy or hatred towards the Habs at this point.  Instead, I'm re-directing my frustration and annoyance squarely on the Leafs, who completely botched things up.

I have a strong distaste for habs and habs fans, but all this conversation about how they don't deserve to be where they are is a little bananas to me.

They beat the Leafs, cleaned out the Jets, and now have beaten another very strong team in Vegas. 

Same with the Lou talk, they've made it to the second round two years in a row...maybe not good enough to win it all, but who knows!  Lou's result has been better than Dubas' over the past 2 years if we're talking about how far into the tournament they got.

Dubas has spent millions over the cap, performed cap acrobatics, leveraged all of MLSE $$ reasonably possible to acquire talent, and still the Leafs on-ice product doesn't show up when the season is on the line...2 years in a row now.

Congrats to the habs for finding a way to win.  It pisses me off, but I really don't think about hockey these days...I stopped watching 10 minutes into game 7 against the habs.  That fanbase though...they're insufferable...we're all going to hear about this run until the Leafs get to a final.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 25, 2021, 11:25:41 AM
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Umm... one of these isn't quite like the others...
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on June 25, 2021, 11:45:49 AM
Good on Montreal.  Taking advantage of their opportunity and running with it. 

I'm in no need of feeling jealousy or hatred towards the Habs at this point.  Instead, I'm re-directing my frustration and annoyance squarely on the Leafs, who completely botched things up.

I have a strong distaste for habs and habs fans, but all this conversation about how they don't deserve to be where they are is a little bananas to me.

They beat the Leafs, cleaned out the Jets, and now have beaten another very strong team in Vegas. 

Same with the Lou talk, they've made it to the second round two years in a row...maybe not good enough to win it all, but who knows!  Lou's result has been better than Dubas' over the past 2 years if we're talking about how far into the tournament they got.

Dubas has spent millions over the cap, performed cap acrobatics, leveraged all of MLSE $$ reasonably possible to acquire talent, and still the Leafs on-ice product doesn't show up when the season is on the line...2 years in a row now.

Congrats to the habs for finding a way to win.  It pisses me off, but I really don't think about hockey these days...I stopped watching 10 minutes into game 7 against the habs.  That fanbase though...they're insufferable...we're all going to hear about this run until the Leafs get to a final.

Yeah, that's where I ended up.  It's not that I really have anything against the team, it's more the fan reaction.  But even there, it's hard to fault them.  The team has made it to the finals and they did by playing a team game committed to defence.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Frank E on June 25, 2021, 11:46:18 AM
Yeah that's the big thing I can't get over. If a 86-point team can win the Cup then what's even the point of the regular season? I know playoffs can be fluky and every team needs some luck on their side to win once you get there but this just takes it to the extreme.

Yeah. I also think it highlights a issue with the differing officiating standards. With regular season level officiating or stricter, they don't make it out of the first round. With the lapsed enforcement . . . it's no longer about which team is the most talented, has the most skill, whatever, when they should be what the league is looking to highlight in the playoffs. Let the stars be stars when the light shines the brightest.

I don't buy it.  I think this is sour grapes stuff.  Here's a list of guys at a point per game:

Jonathan Huberdeau
Nikita Kucherov
Nathan MacKinnon
David Pastrnak
Gabriel Landeskog
Mikko Rantanen
Leon Draisaitl
Evgeni Malkin
Brayden Point
Aleksander Barkov
William Nylander
Charlie McAvoy
Brad Marchand
Mark Scheifele
Sam Bennett
Connor McDavid
Cale Makar
Kris Letang
Sebastian Aho
Steven Stamkos

There's a lot of stars there making things happen still.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on June 25, 2021, 11:50:25 AM
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Umm... one of these isn't quite like the others...

They got some feedback and tried to massage it.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Peter D. on June 25, 2021, 11:51:48 AM
Yeah that's the big thing I can't get over. If a 86-point team can win the Cup then what's even the point of the regular season? I know playoffs can be fluky and every team needs some luck on their side to win once you get there but this just takes it to the extreme.

I see this being said a lot now.  If this is the case, then anoint the regular season winners as the true winners and have the playoffs as a separate tournament played for a different trophy.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Peter D. on June 25, 2021, 11:55:11 AM
I think what bugs me the most is that Montreal wouldn't have made the playoffs with standard divisional alignment, and there's a good chance they won't make the playoffs next season.

They're the 90/91 Minnesota North Stars.

Unless the league changes the format to 1 through 16 league wide, aren't there usually always going to be an anomaly or two making things wonky?  Two teams from one conference that missed would have made the playoffs had they been in the other conference.  It really doesn't bother me considering the setup.

Do agree that Montreal likely misses the playoffs next year when they're back in a division with Tampa, Boston, Toronto and Florida, with an up and coming Ottawa team too.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: wnc096 on June 25, 2021, 11:59:28 AM
Didn't the sens make a Cup final run, get very full of themselves, and subsequently hahahahaha

The year they went to the final they were a legit contender.  105 point team with star players like Spezza, Alfredsson, and Heatley.

This Canadiens team's success is baffling...outside of Price they have zero star power, but they can shut you down.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Highlander on June 25, 2021, 12:03:40 PM
I think what bugs me the most is that Montreal wouldn't have made the playoffs with standard divisional alignment, and there's a good chance they won't make the playoffs next season.

They're the 90/91 Minnesota North Stars.

Unless the league changes the format to 1 through 16 league wide, aren't there usually always going to be an anomaly or two making things wonky?  Two teams from one conference that missed would have made the playoffs had they been in the other conference.  It really doesn't bother me considering the setup.

Do agree that Montreal likely misses the playoffs next year when they're back in a division with Tampa, Boston, Toronto and Florida, with an up and coming Ottawa team too.
No, I think Montreal has discovered an identity, Cole Caufield has been a revelation and Suzuki and Koki are not far behind.  If Price can stay sharp next season and that towering D I think they will have a real good chance. They have a real killer instinct.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: herman on June 25, 2021, 12:06:21 PM
Didn't the sens make a Cup final run, get very full of themselves, and subsequently hahahahaha

The year they went to the final they were a legit contender.  105 point team with star players like Spezza, Alfredsson, and Heatley.

This Canadiens team's success is baffling...outside of Price they have zero star power, but they can shut you down.

I think I was thinking of 2017, rather than 2007. They made it to the Conference Final on Erik Karlsson's last leg.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on June 25, 2021, 12:09:22 PM
I think what bugs me the most is that Montreal wouldn't have made the playoffs with standard divisional alignment, and there's a good chance they won't make the playoffs next season.

They're the 90/91 Minnesota North Stars.

Unless the league changes the format to 1 through 16 league wide, aren't there usually always going to be an anomaly or two making things wonky?  Two teams from one conference that missed would have made the playoffs had they been in the other conference.  It really doesn't bother me considering the setup.

Do agree that Montreal likely misses the playoffs next year when they're back in a division with Tampa, Boston, Toronto and Florida, with an up and coming Ottawa team too.
No, I think Montreal has discovered an identity, Cole Caufield has been a revelation and Suzuki and Koki are not far behind.  If Price can stay sharp next season and that towering D I think they will have a real good chance. They have a real killer instinct.

My company brought Ryan Walter into talk to us about team work and leadership.  He mentioned how important it is for the teams to keep themselves accountable and to make sure that everyone is keeping everyones confidence up, and that he saw teams with lots of talent fail because the team just fractures.  He says that the 86 team he was on that won the cup was like that.  Roy came up, they started to play for one another and then they won the cup.  Kinda similar to what is happening here.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Peter D. on June 25, 2021, 12:10:37 PM
No, I think Montreal has discovered an identity, Cole Caufield has been a revelation and Suzuki and Koki are not far behind.  If Price can stay sharp next season and that towering D I think they will have a real good chance. They have a real killer instinct.

Their youngsters have certainly come into their own and have gained a lot of confidence as the playoffs have progressed.  They've all impressed me.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: herman on June 25, 2021, 12:42:20 PM
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Umm... one of these isn't quite like the others...

They got some feedback and tried to massage it.

Nailed it!
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 25, 2021, 12:43:08 PM
lmao
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: herman on June 25, 2021, 01:27:53 PM
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 25, 2021, 01:35:26 PM
Danault is gonna get $$$PAID$$$ this offseason... and I wonder if Montreal is even the team who does it.

I just looked back at how he was acquired. Chicago dealt him at the deadline when he was 22 years old and had 32 NHL games under his belt to the Habs for Dale Weise and Tomas Fleischmann. This was the year after they won their last Cup and they ended up getting knocked out in the 1st round. Montreal also picked up a 2nd rounder that they used to select Romanov too. Not a bad haul for two meh UFAs.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Bill_Berg_is_sad on June 25, 2021, 02:54:36 PM
It's easy to shut star players down when you're allowed to hold one of their arms behind their back for them.

* shut not shit lol
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: bustaheims on June 25, 2021, 03:26:48 PM
Danault is gonna get $$$PAID$$$ this offseason... and I wonder if Montreal is even the team who does it.

I just looked back at how he was acquired. Chicago dealt him at the deadline when he was 22 years old and had 32 NHL games under his belt to the Habs for Dale Weise and Tomas Fleischmann. This was the year after they won their last Cup and they ended up getting knocked out in the 1st round. Montreal also picked up a 2nd rounder that they used to select Romanov too. Not a bad haul for two meh UFAs.

That .950% when he's been on the ice is certainly helping him look good. Certainly raises the question as to whether he's been that effective or if Price is helping him look that much better. He's a good defensive player, but not as good as he's looked in these playoffs.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: OldTimeHockey on June 25, 2021, 03:37:02 PM
Yeah that's the big thing I can't get over. If a 86-point team can win the Cup then what's even the point of the regular season? I know playoffs can be fluky and every team needs some luck on their side to win once you get there but this just takes it to the extreme.

Yeah. I also think it highlights a issue with the differing officiating standards. With regular season level officiating or stricter, they don't make it out of the first round. With the lapsed enforcement . . . it's no longer about which team is the most talented, has the most skill, whatever, when they should be what the league is looking to highlight in the playoffs. Let the stars be stars when the light shines the brightest.

I don't buy it.  I think this is sour grapes stuff.  Here's a list of guys at a point per game:

Jonathan Huberdeau
Nikita Kucherov
Nathan MacKinnon
David Pastrnak
Gabriel Landeskog
Mikko Rantanen
Leon Draisaitl
Evgeni Malkin
Brayden Point
Aleksander Barkov
William Nylander
Charlie McAvoy
Brad Marchand
Mark Scheifele
Sam Bennett
Connor McDavid
Cale Makar
Kris Letang
Sebastian Aho
Steven Stamkos

There's a lot of stars there making things happen still.

Yeah I don't buy the superstars getting held and hooked is why Montreal got through.
Matthews and Marner did not do enough to advance. That's all. They did not fight through the Montreal collapse to the net. That's on them, not the officiating. The officiating has been equally sh*tty for both teams in every game I've watched. If Toronto has the better team, they should have overcame that. They didn't.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: OldTimeHockey on June 25, 2021, 03:39:02 PM
Danault is gonna get $$$PAID$$$ this offseason... and I wonder if Montreal is even the team who does it.

I just looked back at how he was acquired. Chicago dealt him at the deadline when he was 22 years old and had 32 NHL games under his belt to the Habs for Dale Weise and Tomas Fleischmann. This was the year after they won their last Cup and they ended up getting knocked out in the 1st round. Montreal also picked up a 2nd rounder that they used to select Romanov too. Not a bad haul for two meh UFAs.

It was amazing how he was absolutely dominated in the first couple games by Matthews in the faceoff circle and then suddenly if did a 180. Matthews face off wins seemed to drop off the map. And suddenly the Habs started winning. Easiest way to defeat Matthews and the Leafs. Make sure they don't have the puck.
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: Bender on June 25, 2021, 07:05:59 PM
Danault is gonna get $$$PAID$$$ this offseason... and I wonder if Montreal is even the team who does it.

I just looked back at how he was acquired. Chicago dealt him at the deadline when he was 22 years old and had 32 NHL games under his belt to the Habs for Dale Weise and Tomas Fleischmann. This was the year after they won their last Cup and they ended up getting knocked out in the 1st round. Montreal also picked up a 2nd rounder that they used to select Romanov too. Not a bad haul for two meh UFAs.
We need to badly recoup assets in the same fashion...
Title: Re: Round 3: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Montreal Canadiens
Post by: TheMightyOdin on June 27, 2021, 02:37:45 PM
So Vegas defenseman Alec Martinez was playing with a broken foot.