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3-4 year temporary home for at team that doesn't have a permanent home available to them after Tempe rejected their development plan (that was really just a plan and didn't have the financial backing to actually implement it)If the NHL okays this its embarrassing.
Quote from: L K on January 27, 2022, 11:24:42 AM3-4 year temporary home for at team that doesn't have a permanent home available to them after Tempe rejected their development plan (that was really just a plan and didn't have the financial backing to actually implement it)If the NHL okays this its embarrassing.At what point do the players, who are "Partners" making 50% of the revenue, get to maybe have a say about one of the 32 teams playing in a 5000 seat arena for 3-4 years instead of looking for a real home?
At what point does MLSE and the half dozen other franchises that are propping this corpse up finally get a say?
I can only sort of speak for myself here but with using my own history of being something of an ethnic minority I feel like people maybe don't understand that, like, instances of prejudice that are commonly experienced by ethnic minorities tend not to be primarily seen through the lens of "Ah good, a chance to teach a wayward youth the error of his ways" and expecting it to be is putting yet another burden on a victimized group. Especially within the context of a fairly public endeavour like professional sports I think the emphasis should probably be more on the "How do we stop this from happening" and not the personal growth of Jacob Panetta. In sports the "How do we discourage this behaviour" is usually about harsh punishment, not a training course on why it's bad to break the rules.
Well thanks for thinking I’m one of the nicest and most conscientious!
No, I’m not white and I took no offense to anything. You don’t have to be white to be privileged. Being a cisgendered heterosexual right-handed male is a very privileged position in this society too.
I tried very hard in my response to not outright castigate Panetta; for the most part, I don’t actually care about the determination of guilt/innocence here. My response is more to the league(s) and the sport’s culture in general being very resistant to recognizing the toxicity within. One of the ways they (media coverage spin control) bury their heads in the sand is to zoom in microscopically on the minutiae of the inciting incident and any foothold (no intent, good reputation among friends and family and teammates) and magnify that to drown out the actual conversation: what upstream policies, cultural norms, influences allowed this to happen? Like any time someone comes forward about a sexual assault, there is a segment of the media and public that will question what that person was wearing or interrogate how much they had to drink and the news photos of the alleged perpetrator are always of their graduation photos or some other well-to-do picture, while the victim is shown in one of their beach vacation or nightclub photos pulled from facebook.
I understand the point you're going for but I think your hypothetical sort of exposes the problem with this line of thinking because for this to be valid there'd need to be some sort of expression or mannerism that could both be entirely innocent but also widely known and understood to be associated with a terrible historical crime like slavery and it's sort of inherently impossible for something to be both.
Quote from: Nik on January 27, 2022, 11:42:55 AMI can only sort of speak for myself here but with using my own history of being something of an ethnic minority I feel like people maybe don't understand that, like, instances of prejudice that are commonly experienced by ethnic minorities tend not to be primarily seen through the lens of "Ah good, a chance to teach a wayward youth the error of his ways" and expecting it to be is putting yet another burden on a victimized group. Especially within the context of a fairly public endeavour like professional sports I think the emphasis should probably be more on the "How do we stop this from happening" and not the personal growth of Jacob Panetta. In sports the "How do we discourage this behaviour" is usually about harsh punishment, not a training course on why it's bad to break the rules.This is a salient point. In a slightly ridiculous example, if a young driver (an otherwise an upstanding citizen) accidentally/or negligently struck a pedestrian, should the public and news media be asking said pedestrian to teach this young driver how to drive safer, or blame that pedestrian for walking in the way of the car?
If anything, punitive measures in these instances should target the team: loss of draft capital, forfeiture of games/standings points; it would certainly encourage teams to self-monitor and develop their player pools to weed out those elements, even if their organization does not truly value inclusivity and diversity.
EKane to Edm, which was expected and embarrassing for the league
I get what you are saying, but I think it's possible.
Take the monkey reference that happened in the game. I honestly didn't know that was a thing until someone threw a banana peel on the ice at Wayne Simmonds during a Flyers preseason game a few years back. That's the first time I heard the reference. Up until then, I just didn't know it was a thing. Now, to be fair, it's not like I would bring that up with someone either, so while the chances are slim, there still is a chance that I could make a joke, or do something without understanding the implications of what I was doing because I was ignorant.
Like, I believe you have mentioned that you have a partial Jewish background. Now I know a couple of slang words that are derogatory to the Jewish community, and I obviously know the context of World War 2, but outside of that, if there is something else that is big, I am not aware of it. I try my best. For example I try to always use the full version of Jewish, just because I think shortening it can lead to a negative connotation sometimes. Add on top of that the diversity that our world contains, and it becomes very hard to be knowledgeable about everything that is offensive to different cultural or ethnicities.
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If the end result is that people think a little more carefully and maybe are overly cautious not to offend an opponent with a childish taunt, racial intent or not, is that really a bad thing? Do any of us really care about the ECHL career of Jacob Panetta?
The good news is that I think most decent people are able to read the temperature of society and construct boundaries, and those boundaries are what allow us to avoid situations like that and provide support where needed. We construct these boundaries from things like "Don't discuss politics or religion in the States" or "Men are worried a women will laugh at her. Women are worried a man will kill her" and things of that nature that pass around through society. Some of us have narrower boundaries than others, which is where you get the ruffling around the edges, but for the most part, decent people will stay within the lines. If you look at our conversation, I think it largely amounts to me whining "But what if I go outside the lines by accident?" and you going "That's on you dumbass", which is fair. We all need that reality check from time to time, so thanks for bearing with me.