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Not super surprising (especially given that you only make a move if a better one is available) but Shanahan confirms Keefe and Dubas will be back next year.

Steady as she goes!

Honestly though, with a 115 point season and an OT goal away from advancing, I mean what can you do except hope internal growth + different mix of bottom 6 guys can get a different outcome next year?  Keep making the playoffs, getting home ice, and hope the guys push through.

They outplayed the defending champions 5 out of seven games. In any other universe that team advances. But you know this is the leafs so what can go wrong will go wrong.

All the big players came up big. I don’t know what they could have done better. That’s the random nature of sports.

In the last 4 years in must win games  we have 3 goals, our PP is 0-18 and our top line scored no goals, none, in this game 7 Marner and Bunting didn't have a single shot, sorry to disagree with you but when it really mattered our big players folded like a wet blanket, we can talk about Campbell and the D but in games 7's it's our big players that are the problem, this was a series like last year we 100% should have won.

I see your points.  But: The lesson is that any line can be shut down if the other team has the skills/willingness, which most playoff teams do.  Stamkos, Kucherov, Hedman, and of course Point all folded like wet blankets in G7 too. 

We got defeated in G7 because Nick Paul (!) came up big.

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Not super surprising (especially given that you only make a move if a better one is available) but Shanahan confirms Keefe and Dubas will be back next year.

So before the playoffs I said I could support giving them both the 86 if they didn't get out of R1.  I wasn't clamoring for it, at least not very much.

But if this happens again next year, no excuses are good enough. In fact, it'll be hair on fire time.  If they can't get over this hump and at least look like they have a shot at a Cup before Matthews' contract runs out, he will decamp.

I really wish we didn't have to play this stupid game in the media with Matthews.  He has done absolutely nothing to indicate that he will go elsewhere.  The Matthews to Arizona stuff is made entirely because of where he lives.  We have clearly seen how well that has benefitted Toronto over the last 30 years with all the young superstars leaving at the first opportunity to sign in Toronto (hint, Tavares is the only one and it's borderline to call him young).  Matthews has done nothing to suggest he's not going to stay in Toronto short of not signing an illegal 20 year contract.  He signed an extension that would potentially maximize his earnings but nothing indicates he is going elsewhere.  Make moves to make the team better and have the best chance to win, don't make moves to appease a single player, especially when they have done nothing to suggest they need appeasement.

* shrugs *

Call it stupid speculation if you want.  But it's a concern.  If there's no forward motion, why wouldn't he sign with a contender?  (Not Arizona ... that kind of talk really is stupid.)  He's beginning to rack up major individual hardware.  What's left to accomplish except....

OTOH let's say they finally go on a run next year.  Then the speculation dies down.

My point is that next year is not just do or die for Shanahan & Dubas.  It has ramifications for individual player decisions.

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Not super surprising (especially given that you only make a move if a better one is available) but Shanahan confirms Keefe and Dubas will be back next year.

So before the playoffs I said I could support giving them both the 86 if they didn't get out of R1.  I wasn't clamoring for it, at least not very much.

But if this happens again next year, no excuses are good enough. In fact, it'll be hair on fire time.  If they can't get over this hump and at least look like they have a shot at a Cup before Matthews' contract runs out, he will decamp.

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Leafs Rumours & Speculation / Re: Armchair GM Thread 2022-2023
« on: Yesterday at 12:09:38 PM »
If they can bring back Giordano I'd move on from Brodie and Muzzin.  Both are declining IMO.  It's a gamble but I think Sandin and Liljegren are top 4 guys.

I agree with Mikheyev.  Like his game but, like Kapi, it never quite delivers the scoring you want.  He didn't do anything in the playoffs.  For partly that reason we lost the Bottom 6 matchup, and ultimately the series.

Also on a side note Bunting didn't do any better than the maligned Hyman.  That was disappointing.

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We could use Teddy on the 4th line.  He's not afraid to go into the dirty areas and mix it up.

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Leafs Rumours & Speculation / Re: Armchair GM Thread 2022-2023
« on: Yesterday at 12:55:41 AM »
I usually stay out of this thread because I don't know what I'm talking about but:

Tavares can continue to take draws but otherwise it's time for him to Jason Allison it to the wing.  Put Marner on that line as center.  They were great together a couple of years back. Marner now being a shot threat might get Tavares more rebound chances.

Who replaces Marner on the first line?  In my damp dreams it's Kadri somehow but in reality try Robertson.

And yeah get a buzzsaw forward from someplace. 

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Jeez people, if Steve Jobs thought like you all we'd all be still be wearing sundials strapped to our wrists.  The only way to succeed is to kill the beautiful thing you made.  :o :o :o 8) 8) ::) :P :P

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It's somewhat ironic then that the biggest mistake Dubas has made as Leafs GM was made out of ruthlessness (trading Kadri).

You're confusing ruthlessness with the cap.

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The primary job of the GM is to do whatever he can to make the team better.  Dubas is in many ways the very model of a modern general manager: takes care of the players as individuals, exemplary with the community, wired up to the latest trends, etc., aside from all the usual GM duties.  But, like the team, the one thing he seems to lack is ruthlessness when he needs to call it forth.

I'm not saying trade Nylander, ask Tavares to waive, dump Keefe for Trotz.  What I am saying is that Dubas (and Shanahan) better be seriously discussing all those types of scenarios in their post-mortem.  Because if they aren't willing to break the hearts of their friends, they are not up to the job.

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That was beautiful, Louis, thanks for sharing all those wise thoughts.  And congrats on experiencing that championship feeling!

Posts like these are why I enjoy this site so much.

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I think the difficulty is, where do they go from here?  Still in cap hell so cant really upgrade due to financial constraints.  It was much better effort, but this team can’t really be improved in a meaningful way, despite Dubas’s wizardry.

The PP’s late season wobble carrying over into the postseason and marginally losing the depth match — but the big guns and goalies fighting to a draw… that’s not a terrible way to lose to Tampa Bay. It’s only miserable / depressing in the wider context.

How do they get better? They’re decidedly constrained until the cap gives them breathing room (its stagnancy leaves the team with an unprecedentedly high share of cap going to the core). Maybe Dubas does just as well finding valuable scrap as he did this year (about as well as I can imagine it going) and a few of his draft picks make the jump.

Barry Trotz is presently unemployed.

If you are tied up with making significant player moves, and you have a coach available who took a perennial Cinderella and got them a Cup ...  sounds like something I'd be interested in.

Of course to do that you'd have to get yourself a new front office, too.  But if you are looking for the lowest cost route to improvement....

I wouldn't want to replace the front office, as I think the current group does as good a job as can be done filling out the cap-constrained roster, but yes--Trotz does seem like the sort of coach that'd benefit this group. But a marginal improvement in the coaching in exchange for losing a management that's built a team capable of franchise-best seasons around 4 forwards consuming half the cap.... I dunno.
 
And. of course, between the disappointing Caps of the early/mid 2010s and the 2018 Caps, there's more difference than just Barry Trotz... I really think, just as a matter of timing and bad luck, the pandemic cap freeze has had a greater impact on the Leafs than other franchises.

All points well-taken. I think you are right, the stagnant cap has made Tavares' contract more of an albatross than Dubas bargained for.

I sure would like to see what Trotz could do with this group.

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I think the difficulty is, where do they go from here?  Still in cap hell so cant really upgrade due to financial constraints.  It was much better effort, but this team can’t really be improved in a meaningful way, despite Dubas’s wizardry.

The PP’s late season wobble carrying over into the postseason and marginally losing the depth match — but the big guns and goalies fighting to a draw… that’s not a terrible way to lose to Tampa Bay. It’s only miserable / depressing in the wider context.

How do they get better? They’re decidedly constrained until the cap gives them breathing room (its stagnancy leaves the team with an unprecedentedly high share of cap going to the core). Maybe Dubas does just as well finding valuable scrap as he did this year (about as well as I can imagine it going) and a few of his draft picks make the jump.

Barry Trotz is presently unemployed.

If you are tied up with making significant player moves, and you have a coach available who took a perennial Cinderella and got them a Cup ...  sounds like something I'd be interested in.

Of course to do that you'd have to get yourself a new front office, too.  But if you are looking for the lowest cost route to improvement....

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R1G1: TBL v TOR: Leafs 5-0.  MotM: Marner 10/0 (unanimous).  HM: Matthews 0/5.  Others: Kerfoot 0/2, Kase 0/1, Muzzin 0/1, Mikheyev 0/1.
R1G2: TBL v TOR: Lightning 5-3.  MotM: Matthews 4/2 (I reflipped my vote to brreak tie).  HM: Marner 2/4.  Others: None.
R1G3: TOR v TBL: Leafs 5-2.  MotM: Campbell 8/3. HM: Kämpf 1/4.  Others: Mikheyev 1/2, Engvall 2/1, Blackwell 0/1.
R1G4: TOR v TBL: Lightning 7-3.  MotM: Nylander 6/0.  HM: Källgren 1/6.  Others: Muzzin 0/1, Lyubushkin 0/1.
R1G5: TBL v TOR: Leafs 4-3.  MotM: Campbell 10/1.  HM: Nylander 1/7.  Others: Matthews 0/2, Tavares 0/1.
R1G6L TOR v TBL: Lightning 4-3 OT.  MotM: Tavares 7/0 (unanimous).  HM: Nylander 0/4.  Others: Matthews 0/3.
R1G7: TBL v TOR: Lightning 2-1.  MotM: Campbell 1/4.  HM: Rielly 1/1.  Others: Matthews 1/0, Nylander 1/0, Marner 1/0.

   
   MotM/Win      MotM/Loss      HonMen      Accolades      Times Voted      Points   
Forwards
28 Joey Anderson   0      0      0      0      0      0   
26 Nick Abruzzese   0      0      0      0      0      0   
11 Colin Blackwell   0      0      0      0      1      1   
58 Michael Bunting   0      0      0      0      0      0   
43 Kyle Clifford   0      0      0      0      0      0   
47 Pierre Engvall   0      0      0      0      1      1   
25 Ondrej Kase   0      0      0      0      1      1   
64 David Kämpf   0      0      1      1      1      2   
15 Alexander Kerfoot   0      0      0      0      1      1   
16 Mitch Marner   1      0      1      2      3      7   
34 Auston Matthews   0      1      1      2      5      8   
65 Ilya Mikheyev   0      0      0      0      2      2   
88 William Nylander   0      1      2      3      4      8   
89 Nicholas Robertson   0      0      0      0      0      0   
24 Wayne Simmonds   0      0      0      0      0      0   
19 Jason Spezza   0      0      0      0      0      0   
62 Brett Seney   0      0      0      0      0      0   
46 Alex Steeves   0      0      0      0      0      0   
91 John Tavares   0      1      0      0      2      4   
 
Defensemen
78 T.J. Brodie   0      0      0      0      0      0   
48 Carl Dahlström   0      0      0      0      0      0   
55 Mark Giordano   0      0      0      0      0      0   
3 Justin Holl   0      0      0      0      0      0   
37 Timothy Liljegren   0      0      0      0      0      0   
46 Ilya Lyubushkin   0      0      0      0      1      1   
8 Jake Muzzin   0      0      0      0      2      2   
44 Morgan Rielly   0      0      1      1      1      3   
56 Kristians Rubins   0      0      0      0      0      0   
38 Rasmus Sandin   0      0      0      0      0      0   
 
Goalkeepers
36 Jack Campbell   2      1      0      3      3      11.0   
50 Erik Källgren   0      0      1      1      1      2.0   
35 Petr Mrazek   0      0      0      0      0      0.0   
30 Michael Hutchinson   0      0      0      0      0      0.0   
60 Joseph Woll   0      0      0      0      0      0.0   
                                                         

Thanks to everyone who voted this season.

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It's a results based business.  Dubas and Shanahan have delivered zero when it counts.

Not their fault, likeable guys, have improved the team.  Yup yup and yup.

I'm not clamoring for it but if they get fired I wouldn't be upset either.  I do think aTrotz might help the team.  Keefe is meh.

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Well, I spend entirely too much time on following the Leafs so I'll embrace the summer as best I can.

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