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#1
Quote from: herman on June 14, 2024, 10:22:45 AMCan't remember when I said it, because hot diggity, I post a lot, but after losing to Florida last season (or was it this season?), I noted that we have the template for how to play in the playoffs (let's be fasstholes), and we need to build it up in the regular season as a matter of course to make it instinctive. We proceeded to not do that through some combination of Keefe stubbornness in the early goings and several core players kind of not being able to execute.

Here's where my hope lies:
  • Treliving believes in fast and heavy structure designed for the playoffs from the get go; defense is about team checking and pressure on the puck
  • the new coach believes in fast, north-south, structured, off-the-rush AND heavy cycle playoff style from the get go
  • we have most of the personnel up front required for such a game
  • the defensemen required (that we don't have) for such a playstyle are the ones the GM and coach both favour: long, aggressive, puck movers
  • playing in the above style naturally insulates the goaltender if pucks in the DZ are aggressively smothered and chipped out for breakaways the other way, vs holding the puck forever in the OZ until an oopsie at the blueline leads to an odd-man rush down your throat.
This is what is needed.
WE can only hope that the current group can play that style.
#2
Quote from: herman on June 14, 2024, 09:50:10 AMhttps://twitter.com/Oil_Drop/status/1801506452064145773
This isn't even on Skinner. Those were all grade a++ chances because the Oiler forwards were late to nearly every puck in the other end of the ice.

2nd goal(1st of that second period) is on Skinner. And it kickstarted the 3 goals in 6 minutes. That fumble took away the momentum Edmonton had. They were scrambled after that. It's very similar to our time with Andersen in net(and what Carolina just found out). If your goalie gives up a bad goal at the wrong time, it's backbreaking.
#3
Once again, the oilers main issues continue to shine through. Yes they've slowly improved. Yes they made it further than the Leafs (because their stars actually showed up for the first 3 rounds). But their problem continues to be defensive collapses and shoddy goaltending. Skinner has to make a play behind the net on the 2nd goal against last night. People point at Ceci, but he was playing the goaltender to gain control of the puck and make a play in either direction. Once Skinner nonchalantly mishandled it, Ceci had to adjust and he simply lost the race to the puck.

Like Toronto, the question remains, what will they do to shore up their goaltending and defense. I'd say their defense is ahead of Toronto in the process. Their goaltending on the other hand...
#4
Quote from: Bender on June 11, 2024, 03:01:52 PM
Quote from: Joe on June 11, 2024, 01:48:37 PM
Quote from: Bender on June 11, 2024, 01:15:15 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on June 11, 2024, 10:55:38 AMSo I'll be honest, I haven't been paying very close attention to this because I think it's about 75% noise being caused by the media's desire for blood. This has fueled the fans to call for Marner's head on a spike. He wasn't incredible in the playoffs by any means but how he's the only one being thrown under the bus(other than Keefe) is beyond me.

I'm not saying "do not trade Marner in any circumstance" but I personally think that if the team is dealing from a spot of "but what if he walks away from the team for nothing standpoint" than they're not a team that is really interested in winning a championship.

Yup, it's all the media's fault.

Also I disagree. Poor asset management has put the Leafs where they are. Walking guys to free agency has put the Leafs where they are. You need assets in order to take big swings, and the Leafs have been bleeding assets for years.

Maybe I'm missing something but who did the leafs walk to free agency that led them to 'where they are now'?

Obviously it's not the reason, there's lots of reasons why the Leafs are where they are, but I don't buy the whole own rental idea and that we should hang on to expiring contracts (in this case Marner) or we're not serious about winning. Just off the top of my head we've walked Bozak, JVR, Barrie, Kerfoot etc.

I don't understand how worrying about assets walking for nothing means you aren't serious about winning. Is that how people feel if we don't use all our draft capital for rentals too?

*Edit I should probably rephrase my stance as the Leafs are where they are in large part due to poor asset management, of which walking guys to free agency is a subsection of that.

I typed a response to your original "it's the media's fault" response but walked away due to work getting in the way.

I didn't say that the media is at fault for where the Leafs are right now. I said the way this has eaten up all the talk in newspapers, broadcasts, podcasts and subsequently the workplaces and pubs is the media driving the conversation. I realize that it's an item that has to be dealt with but Marner doesn't become such a bum if the media(and herman) don't drive it down the throats of everyone at home.

In regards to the poor asset management problem, I was going to come back with "what assets walked for nothing", but that's already been asked. Like them, I forgot about JVR and Bozak..and also Barrie and Kerfoot. While I agree with you that you have to manage your assets and get something for them when you see they're going to walk for nothing, I also think you have to examine where those players fit in your overall structure and where your team is at in terms of legitimately competing to win in the playoffs. Despite their success or lack of success, the Leafs have repeatedly gone into the playoffs as competitive teams. Hindsight says their choices didn't work out, but I don't think trading Kerfoot for a 3rd rounder would have helped maximize that success. Now, Marner would bring in a much larger prize, so in that sense, it's definitely something you have to look at. But, he would also create a much bigger hole than any of the above assets, so that has to weigh heavily on your decision.
#5
So I'll be honest, I haven't been paying very close attention to this because I think it's about 75% noise being caused by the media's desire for blood. This has fueled the fans to call for Marner's head on a spike. He wasn't incredible in the playoffs by any means but how he's the only one being thrown under the bus(other than Keefe) is beyond me.

I'm not saying "do not trade Marner in any circumstance" but I personally think that if the team is dealing from a spot of "but what if he walks away from the team for nothing standpoint" than they're not a team that is really interested in winning a championship.
#6
Toronto Blue Jays / Re: 2024 Blue Jays
June 05, 2024, 09:00:56 AM
I tuned in for about 6 seconds last night. Just as the pitcher was serving up a meatball for the 2 run shot that made it 7-0.
The look of absolute defeat on Schneider and Walker's face was so very telling of the atmosphere around this team right now.
#7
Toronto Blue Jays / Re: 2024 Blue Jays
June 05, 2024, 06:15:17 AM
Something has to happen with this team right? A trade? A firing? A demotion? All 3?
#8
Quote from: cw on June 04, 2024, 10:40:12 PMMarner has declared he wants to re-sign. He's Toronto born & raised with a wife also from Toronto area along with both their families.
Leafs could play some cards to maybe/hopefully get a hometown discount and re-sign him. Those cards would be ok as they're both working towards extending his time here - that he's said he wants to do.

But playing other cards - like making his life miserable, cutting his ice time/linemates or letting him get roasted in the media - to get him to agree to a trade - that's a dangerous game that they could lose big time. If his buddies on the team see that, it probably won't end well - damaging what has been reported as a pretty good locker room. UFAs will stay away. Hopefully, they don't try to play cards like that.

This is how I feel about it.

Toronto's media is ruthless. It's like water torture and the team would only benefit from trying their best to halt the constant trade rumours. I'm not 100% sure how they achieve that but they could start with a vote of confidence. Yes those votes of confidence are usually a death sentence, but it at least acknowledges the situation and steps in the right direction.
#9
Quote from: herman on May 08, 2024, 10:08:20 AMThe article largely goes over the Leafs' choice to grind the pace of play down, which leaves them highly susceptible to variance (goalie/shooting luck), vs asserting a higher pace to give their offense more chances to make a difference and establish a higher differential, e.g. 2-1 vs 6-3.

Let's go, fasstholes.

I agree with that sentiment. I found that in game 5 and 6, when the season was on the line, they seemed to flick a switch and were dominant speed wise. With a team having so much speed, I'm not sure why they would choose not to implement it.
#10
I'm not ready to point solely at the goaltending but he needs to be better than his counterpart at the other end of the ice. That's the bottom line. Find your direct competition on the ice. Perform better than that person. Samsonov has not.

But with that said, none of the Leafs have been better than their direct competition. Whether that's the goal scorers, the offense creators, the agitators or the defense, the Leafs are worse than the Bruins on all fronts.
#11
Quote from: herman on April 24, 2024, 01:41:41 PMhttps://twitter.com/SanJoseSharks/status/1783201947912450314
Why, did he win too many games?

He should be able to win more games with players like Brent Burns, Timo Meier and Erik Karlsson. Wait a minute here.
#12
I get that people are down on Samsonov, but he was tremendous in the first period, and as much as you want that short side save, it was a post and in shot. Hockey is a game of inches(lol)

I thought the Leafs were at least par in that game and absolutely dominated stretches of it.

Bertuzzi needs to cool the dramatics. It's taking him out of the game completely. I'd actually consider moving him away from Marchand. Marchand's greatest attribute isn't how much of a pest he is. It's that he actually performs better when he's being a pest. We've seen from Domi and Bertuzzi in the first 3 games that the same thing cannot be said for them. Domi was a disaster in the first game trying to draw penalties, and Bertuzzi's summersaults allover the ice are only bringing Marchand's best game to the ice.
#13
Those top 4 right shot defensemen seem to be really easy to come by.
#14
Quote from: Bender on April 23, 2024, 07:32:42 PM
Quote from: herman on April 23, 2024, 04:43:44 PMhttps://twitter.com/fan590/status/1782875258300530956
Kypreos is vying to be Marner's agent

Am I getting old or has Kyper been more right than wrong lately?

Wait, so because he's asserting that having Matthews on your line will make you perform better, he's suddenly more right than wrong? Of course Matthews on your line makes you better. He's a top 3 player in the league.

Marner is an $11 million dollar guy(looking for a raise). Tavares is an $11 million dollar guy. If they can't create or get the puck, that's a huge problem. If Marner wants to be paid like a top 10 player in the league, he shouldn't need a top 3 player in the league to go get him the puck. Heck, he shouldn't need Tavares to get him the puck either. It's not like they're saddling him up with Kampf and Reaves.
#15
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 24, 2024, 10:57:02 AMhttps://twitter.com/millerjryan/status/1783140537400512754

What's the best out of this bunch? Utah Mammoths might be my pick.

They all sound like XFL team names.