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Title: Media Thread
Post by: Deebo on June 18, 2019, 11:55:08 AM
Some potential big news in the Toronto Sports Media world:

The usually reliable Jonah from torontosportsmedia.com is reporting via twitter that this could be Bob McCown's last week hosting PTS.

https://twitter.com/yyzsportsmedia/status/1141005398784131078
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: cabber24 on June 18, 2019, 11:58:21 AM
Quote from: Deebo on June 18, 2019, 11:55:08 AM
Some potential big news in the Toronto Sports Media world:

The usually reliable Jonah from torontosportsmedia.com is reporting via twitter that this could be Bob McCown's last week hosting PTS.

https://twitter.com/yyzsportsmedia/status/1141005398784131078
Love the bobcat but I wouldn't be surprised if he calls it.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on June 18, 2019, 11:58:34 AM
Huh. Retirement or getting pushed out?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Michael on June 18, 2019, 12:20:05 PM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on June 18, 2019, 11:58:34 AM
Huh. Retirement or getting pushed out?

If he is pushed out, he will no doubt still get paid the money on his big contract. But it highlights what a cold business it can be sometimes. PTS (SportsNet) is taking a kicking in the ratings from Overdrive (TSN). Perhaps SportsNet has an opportunity to do something now to stop the bleeding.

I wonder if Tim and Sid will take that slot. They could do both the radio and TV spot and perhaps stop the bleeding away from SportsNet over to the TSN show.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on June 18, 2019, 01:05:55 PM
Quote from: Michael on June 18, 2019, 12:20:05 PM
If he is pushed out, he will no doubt still get paid the money on his big contract. But it highlights what a cold business it can be sometimes. PTS (SportsNet) is taking a kicking in the ratings from Overdrive (TSN). Perhaps SportsNet has an opportunity to do something now to stop the bleeding.

Admittedly I don't know a ton about these things but I wonder if his contract doesn't have some sort of language about maybe being negated if his show gets cancelled. Then, with that in mind, maybe in order to let him save some face and go out on his own terms they're doing this instead of cancelling his show.

Either way, it's very easy to believe that if McCown is making a ton of money that with radio maybe not being a huge growth industry these days that his show isn't super-profitable.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Deebo on June 18, 2019, 01:10:25 PM
Quote from: Michael on June 18, 2019, 12:20:05 PM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on June 18, 2019, 11:58:34 AM
Huh. Retirement or getting pushed out?

If he is pushed out, he will no doubt still get paid the money on his big contract. But it highlights what a cold business it can be sometimes. PTS (SportsNet) is taking a kicking in the ratings from Overdrive (TSN). Perhaps SportsNet has an opportunity to do something now to stop the bleeding.

I wonder if Tim and Sid will take that slot. They could do both the radio and TV spot and perhaps stop the bleeding away from SportsNet over to the TSN show.

In the rare times I have been in the car in the afternoon drive time over the last few years. I'd flip back and forth depending on the subject being discussed.

If Tim & Sid take over the time slot, I'd probably be on 1050 exclusively.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Michael on June 18, 2019, 01:16:18 PM
Quote from: Deebo on June 18, 2019, 01:10:25 PM
If Tim & Sid take over the time slot, I'd probably be on 1050 exclusively.

I made the switch a while ago and will stick with TSN Overdrive regardless. I am not a fan of Tim and Sid, but suggested that they may be the answer for two reasons:

1. They seem to do a lot of goofing around in an attempt to bring in the non-traditional sports radio people. They also seem to appeal to a younger crowd, and the ratings suggest that McCown is losing the younger audience.

2. They are already on the payroll, so re-branding/re-launching them would be a minimal incremental cost compared with going in a whole new direction.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Michael on June 18, 2019, 01:24:22 PM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on June 18, 2019, 01:05:55 PM
Either way, it's very easy to believe that if McCown is making a ton of money that with radio maybe not being a huge growth industry these days that his show isn't super-profitable.

He would not be the first person to price himself out of the market in radio. He had a long run. Really long. But I can see it not being worth it for the station (for his price tag) or for him (because he will not work for less) anymore.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Deebo on June 18, 2019, 01:28:46 PM
Quote from: Michael on June 18, 2019, 01:16:18 PM
Quote from: Deebo on June 18, 2019, 01:10:25 PM
If Tim & Sid take over the time slot, I'd probably be on 1050 exclusively.

I made the switch a while ago and will stick with TSN Overdrive regardless. I am not a fan of Tim and Sid, but suggested that they may be the answer for two reasons:

1. They seem to do a lot of goofing around in an attempt to bring in the non-traditional sports radio people. They also seem to appeal to a younger crowd, and the ratings suggest that McCown is losing the younger audience.

2. They are already on the payroll, so re-branding/re-launching them would be a minimal incremental cost compared with going in a whole new direction.
Quote from: Michael on June 18, 2019, 01:16:18 PM
Quote from: Deebo on June 18, 2019, 01:10:25 PM
If Tim & Sid take over the time slot, I'd probably be on 1050 exclusively.

I made the switch a while ago and will stick with TSN Overdrive regardless. I am not a fan of Tim and Sid, but suggested that they may be the answer for two reasons:

1. They seem to do a lot of goofing around in an attempt to bring in the non-traditional sports radio people. They also seem to appeal to a younger crowd, and the ratings suggest that McCown is losing the younger audience.

2. They are already on the payroll, so re-branding/re-launching them would be a minimal incremental cost compared with going in a whole new direction.

Yeah, I could see them going that way I just can't stand Sid.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Peter D. on June 18, 2019, 01:42:12 PM
Quote from: Deebo on June 18, 2019, 01:28:46 PM
Yeah, I could see them going that way I just can't stand Sid.

The thing with Sid is, I find that he is very talented.  Like, Bob McCown replacement type.  But he needs to strip down the persona and outbursts and get back to his original self.  He's filled in a few times and if he simply delivers the goods, he is excellent.

If McCown is truly signing off, then I have to see who his replacement(s) is/are.  Him leaving the airwaves may be enough for me to give up on sports radio for good.  No way am I venturing back over to 1050.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on June 18, 2019, 02:13:50 PM
Overdrive for me. Like O'Dog, Noodles, Ferraro, Bobby Mac. Like listening to the ex-players and get their perspective on things.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on June 18, 2019, 02:56:08 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on June 18, 2019, 02:13:50 PM
Overdrive for me. Like O'Dog, Noodles, Ferraro, Bobby Mac. Like listening to the ex-players and get their perspective on things.

Same here.  I can't stand McCowan and his...





dramatic pauses while he speaks.

I prefer the locker-room-esque banter between the 3 guys on Overdrive.  Just sounds like a more natural conversation to me and I just prefer their style and opinions.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on June 18, 2019, 03:03:29 PM
Quote from: Peter D. on June 18, 2019, 01:42:12 PM
If McCown is truly signing off, then I have to see who his replacement(s) is/are.  Him leaving the airwaves may be enough for me to give up on sports radio for good.  No way am I venturing back over to 1050.

Yeah. He wasn't always my favourite and he definitely wasn't a details guy but I'd at least take the outsider perspective/knowledge about the business side of things over try hard meme bros and whatever latest iteration of ex-jocks talking about what makes the heart of a champion tends to be on sports radio. Unless they try something of a similar vein, I'm likely to just write off the format.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on June 18, 2019, 03:44:35 PM
I'm a big Bob fan so I'll be very disappointed by this, I listen daily. Hayes is really good too but O-dog and Noodles are not. Overdrive is the only good show at Tsn1050, I preferred when they were on at 1pm-4pm so I could listen to both.

If they replace PTS with Tim & Sid I won't be listening. I actually like Good Show. Added them to my podcasts yesterday.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Frank E on June 18, 2019, 03:52:34 PM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on June 18, 2019, 03:03:29 PM
Quote from: Peter D. on June 18, 2019, 01:42:12 PM
If McCown is truly signing off, then I have to see who his replacement(s) is/are.  Him leaving the airwaves may be enough for me to give up on sports radio for good.  No way am I venturing back over to 1050.

Yeah. He wasn't always my favourite and he definitely wasn't a details guy but I'd at least take the outsider perspective/knowledge about the business side of things over try hard meme bros and whatever latest iteration of ex-jocks talking about what makes the heart of a champion tends to be on sports radio. Unless they try something of a similar vein, I'm likely to just write off the format.

^ this is good stuff
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on June 18, 2019, 04:15:30 PM
I'm thinking the "BIG" change might be John Shannon no longer on the show as co-host in the 4 o'clock hour.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on June 18, 2019, 04:16:00 PM
Quote from: Zee on June 18, 2019, 02:56:08 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on June 18, 2019, 02:13:50 PM
Overdrive for me. Like O'Dog, Noodles, Ferraro, Bobby Mac. Like listening to the ex-players and get their perspective on things.

Same here.  I can't stand McCowan and his...





dramatic pauses while he speaks.

I prefer the locker-room-esque banter between the 3 guys on Overdrive.  Just sounds like a more natural conversation to me and I just prefer their style and opinions.
Me too.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Michael on June 19, 2019, 07:52:13 PM
https://twitter.com/yyzsportsmedia/status/1141477619268870144
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Michael on June 19, 2019, 07:53:09 PM
https://twitter.com/yyzsportsmedia/status/1141410452171132928

Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Peter D. on June 19, 2019, 10:39:49 PM
Can't believe Bob is actually gone. Doubt it was on his own terms considering how abrupt this came about.

I'm done with Toronto sports radio. Stumbled across OverDrive on TV this afternoon during Gerry's percentages, with Noodles dropping percentages like 71% and 17%. Get lost dweeb.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Michael on June 20, 2019, 07:15:38 AM
Quote from: Peter D. on June 19, 2019, 10:39:49 PM
Can't believe Bob is actually gone. Doubt it was on his own terms considering how abrupt this came about.

I'm done with Toronto sports radio. Stumbled across OverDrive on TV this afternoon during Gerry's percentages, with Noodles dropping percentages like 71% and 17%. Get lost dweeb.

If my first listen to Overdrive came during Gerry's percentages I would probably never have listened again, so I am glad that was not the case.

O'Neil was away yesterday so it was Hayes and McLennan (Noodles) and they interviewed Nick Nurse and I thought it was great. Bob certainly could do a great interview at times, but he seems to have lost interest lately. Hayes did a nice job with Nurse and I walked away from it with a better understanding of him and some of the things he went through personally during their drive to the championship.

They clown around a lot. Sometimes too much. But at the end of the day, I think Hayes and the host and O'Neil and McLennan as the ex-players do a really good job interviewing players, coaches, GM's and/or drawing out the most in conversations with guys like Ray Ferraro, Bob McKenzie, Darren Dreger etc.

Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Peter D. on June 20, 2019, 10:34:57 AM
Quote from: Michael on June 20, 2019, 07:15:38 AM
If my first listen to Overdrive came during Gerry's percentages I would probably never have listened again, so I am glad that was not the case.

O'Neil was away yesterday so it was Hayes and McLennan (Noodles) and they interviewed Nick Nurse and I thought it was great. Bob certainly could do a great interview at times, but he seems to have lost interest lately. Hayes did a nice job with Nurse and I walked away from it with a better understanding of him and some of the things he went through personally during their drive to the championship.

They clown around a lot. Sometimes too much. But at the end of the day, I think Hayes and the host and O'Neil and McLennan as the ex-players do a really good job interviewing players, coaches, GM's and/or drawing out the most in conversations with guys like Ray Ferraro, Bob McKenzie, Darren Dreger etc.

I enjoy OverDrive when it first started, but I soured on it pretty quickly.  Way too amateurish for me -- I could have the same conversations with my buddies over a beer or with the people on these message boards.  I also find O'Neill and Noodles to be complete d-bags (moreso the latter).

And the constant use of Ferraro, Dreger, Bobby Mac, Kypreos, Marek, Buck Martinez, etc., is what I find tiresome these days.  Same crap each and every day with the guests coming from within.  That's what I loved about Prime Time Sports -- there was variety to it.  Now it'll be a 24/7 fest of dissecting the same thing over and over. 
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bender on June 20, 2019, 10:45:37 AM
Quote from: Michael on June 19, 2019, 07:53:09 PM
https://twitter.com/yyzsportsmedia/status/1141410452171132928

I didn't mind him and will kinda miss him after all these years but he really is a dinosaur.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on June 20, 2019, 02:50:13 PM
Quote from: Peter D. on June 20, 2019, 10:34:57 AM


I could have the same conversations with my buddies over a beer
That's what's appealing about it. Almost like 3 guys just hanging out shooting the breeze. It's entertaining and funny. And no one interviews and has more fun with ex/current players then these guys.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bates on June 20, 2019, 02:58:34 PM
I would listen to Maclean over any of the other Hickey Central guys. I really like Overdrive, just easy listening to a few clowns.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on June 20, 2019, 04:04:21 PM
https://twitter.com/FadooBobcat/status/1141795429333577738
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: cabber24 on June 20, 2019, 04:10:39 PM
Quote from: Dappleganger on June 20, 2019, 04:04:21 PM
https://twitter.com/FadooBobcat/status/1141795429333577738
When he comes back I doubt it will be on AM radio... and I don't subscribe to streaming radio or infinite data so sad news for me.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 20, 2019, 04:12:30 PM
Quote from: Dappleganger on June 20, 2019, 04:04:21 PM
https://twitter.com/FadooBobcat/status/1141795429333577738

Well I guess that clears up whether he was fired or not. Side note, it's somewhat weird that he's not verified on twitter.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on June 20, 2019, 04:15:19 PM

Well, like him or not it certainly is the end of an era.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Joe on June 20, 2019, 04:26:31 PM
This might be the 3d time he's been let go from the 1430/fan
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Michael on June 25, 2019, 10:51:00 AM
I have seen things written to suggest that SportsNet is dropping a lot of other people. All I have heard for sure is Bob and Doug, already mentioned above.

Does anyone have anyone else to add to the list?

Apparently Rogers media division is losing lots of money...
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on June 27, 2019, 09:25:25 AM
I can't think of anybody who uses more words to say less than Renaud Lavoie.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Can8899 on June 27, 2019, 10:28:17 AM
Quote from: Michael on June 25, 2019, 10:51:00 AM
I have seen things written to suggest that SportsNet is dropping a lot of other people. All I have heard for sure is Bob and Doug, already mentioned above.

Does anyone have anyone else to add to the list?

Apparently Rogers media division is losing lots of money...

Any news about Hosehead the dog?  Anyone???

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9b/42/13/9b4213285c93b32d36398e203cb00f91.jpg)
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on July 07, 2019, 06:34:19 AM
Quote from: Michael on June 25, 2019, 10:51:00 AM
I have seen things written to suggest that SportsNet is dropping a lot of other people. All I have heard for sure is Bob and Doug, already mentioned above.

Does anyone have anyone else to add to the list?

It's Steve Simmons so obviously some caution is merited but the next name on the list may very well be Don Cherry:

https://twitter.com/Account4hockey/status/1147627618835030016

And buried within is some confirmation that Rogers is losing a ton of money on their NHL deal.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on July 07, 2019, 04:36:28 PM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on July 07, 2019, 06:34:19 AM
Quote from: Michael on June 25, 2019, 10:51:00 AM
I have seen things written to suggest that SportsNet is dropping a lot of other people. All I have heard for sure is Bob and Doug, already mentioned above.

Does anyone have anyone else to add to the list?

It's Steve Simmons so obviously some caution is merited but the next name on the list may very well be Don Cherry:

https://twitter.com/Account4hockey/status/1147627618835030016

And buried within is some confirmation that Rogers is losing a ton of money on their NHL deal.

Well that is probably not good for the cap.  Would it make sense for the NHL to sell off the national rights in pieces to TSN and SN, or does it only make sense to sell them as a complete package?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Rob on July 07, 2019, 05:37:43 PM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on July 07, 2019, 04:36:28 PM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on July 07, 2019, 06:34:19 AM
Quote from: Michael on June 25, 2019, 10:51:00 AM
I have seen things written to suggest that SportsNet is dropping a lot of other people. All I have heard for sure is Bob and Doug, already mentioned above.

Does anyone have anyone else to add to the list?

It's Steve Simmons so obviously some caution is merited but the next name on the list may very well be Don Cherry:

https://twitter.com/Account4hockey/status/1147627618835030016

And buried within is some confirmation that Rogers is losing a ton of money on their NHL deal.

Well that is probably not good for the cap.  Would it make sense for the NHL to sell off the national rights in pieces to TSN and SN, or does it only make sense to sell them as a complete package?

The $5.2 billion deal is already accounted for in the cap.  It's a twelve year deal so that won't change until 2026.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on July 07, 2019, 05:42:30 PM
Maybe their ratings/profits might get a jolt if they quit featuring a guy whose main appeal is to a demographic that is literally dying out.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on July 07, 2019, 06:17:27 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on July 07, 2019, 05:42:30 PM
Maybe their ratings/profits might get a jolt if they quit featuring a guy whose main appeal is to a demographic that is literally dying out.

Honestly, I feel like that's giving Cherry too much importance. Ratings suck because the game is too local, there aren't really standout teams and the league has more or less maxed out their Canadian audience. None of the people I know who don't watch hockey are going to be won over by a really dynamic intermission show.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on July 07, 2019, 06:49:59 PM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on July 07, 2019, 06:17:27 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on July 07, 2019, 05:42:30 PM
Maybe their ratings/profits might get a jolt if they quit featuring a guy whose main appeal is to a demographic that is literally dying out.

Honestly, I feel like that's giving Cherry too much importance. Ratings suck because the game is too local, there aren't really standout teams and the league has more or less maxed out their Canadian audience. None of the people I know who don't watch hockey are going to be won over by a really dynamic intermission show.

Yeah, you're right.  It's a niche sport and the niche is full.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on July 07, 2019, 07:05:45 PM

There's another reality though and I think my Father is a good example of it. He's a pretty big sports fan but he's also recently retired and decided to cut back on a few things. Despite that he pays for MLB.tv which is about 130 bucks a year to stream every single Baseball game. Come the Fall he may give DAZN 20 bucks a month to watch every single football game.

Just to watch the Leafs you either need a cable package from Bell or Rogers that includes all of the sports channels or you need to subscribe to both the TSN and Sportsnet streaming services. Either way that works out to something like 60+ bucks a month. Hockey's great and obviously I'm too far gone to give up the Leafs but following this one team now costs roughly three times as much as the entirety of Major League Baseball or the NFL for Canadian fans.

So it's not just a niche, it's a league that seems intent on squeezing that niche to death.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on July 07, 2019, 07:11:22 PM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on July 07, 2019, 07:05:45 PM

There's another reality though and I think my Father is a good example of it. He's a pretty big sports fan but he's also recently retired and decided to cut back on a few things. Despite that he pays for MLB.tv which is about 130 bucks a year to stream every single Baseball game. Come the Fall he may give DAZN 20 bucks a month to watch every single football game.

Just to watch the Leafs you either need a cable package from Bell or Rogers that includes all of the sports channels or you need to subscribe to both the TSN and Sportsnet streaming services. Either way that works out to something like 60+ bucks a month. Hockey's great and obviously I'm too far gone to give up the Leafs but following this one team now costs roughly three times as much as the entirety of Major League Baseball or the NFL for Canadian fans.

So it's not just a niche, it's a league that seems intent on squeezing that niche to death.

We may disagree on many things, Nik, but we are Siamese Twins when to comes to our opinion of the intelligence of the NHL's leadership.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on July 07, 2019, 07:17:49 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on July 07, 2019, 07:11:22 PM
We may disagree on many things, Nik, but we are Siamese Twins when to comes to our opinion of the intelligence of the NHL's leadership.

It's an interesting thing of who's to blame there. My instinct is to put it on Bell/Rogers as opposed to the league itself(although I appreciate that as Leafs ownership the distinction there is minimal) but there's no question that the league is ceding power to TV folk because they're so hooked on that money.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 07, 2019, 11:04:12 PM
One day...

https://twitter.com/CoachsCornerDC/status/1148053745730801664
https://twitter.com/CoachsCornerDC/status/1148053883924680712
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on July 08, 2019, 12:27:19 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on July 07, 2019, 11:04:12 PM
One day...

https://twitter.com/CoachsCornerDC/status/1148053745730801664
https://twitter.com/CoachsCornerDC/status/1148053883924680712

Sounds like Don has his tweets ghosted for him ... those are awfully even-keel.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on July 08, 2019, 07:34:03 AM
I'm not a Simmons defender by any means, in fact i can't stand the guy, but he didn't actually say Cherry was fired.  He basically said they hadn't officially renewed coaches corner and because Cherry makes alot they might consider not bringing him back given the other cuts Rogers has been making (I.e. McCowan and McLean)
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Michael on July 08, 2019, 08:05:17 AM
Quote from: Zee on July 08, 2019, 07:34:03 AM
I'm not a Simmons defender by any means, in fact i can't stand the guy, but he didn't actually say Cherry was fired.  He basically said they hadn't officially renewed coaches corner and because Cherry makes alot they might consider not bringing him back given the other cuts Rogers has been making (I.e. McCowan and McLean)

I am not a Simmons fan either, but he is not the problem here. If Cherry has not been renewed then why has Rogers not said a word? This story has had legs since the middle of last week and all Rogers has to do is say a word and it is shot down.

The fact that they have said nothing tells me that it might finally (mercifully) be true that Cherry is off HNIC.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 08, 2019, 08:16:16 AM
Quote from: Zee on July 08, 2019, 07:34:03 AM
I'm not a Simmons defender by any means, in fact i can't stand the guy, but he didn't actually say Cherry was fired.  He basically said they hadn't officially renewed coaches corner and because Cherry makes alot they might consider not bringing him back given the other cuts Rogers has been making (I.e. McCowan and McLean)

A "journalist" would have reached out to Cherry or CBC for comment though before writing something like that. But Steve's a "columnist" so none of those integrity standards apply to him.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Rob on July 08, 2019, 08:16:19 AM
Sure Rogers may have told Don verbally that he would be back, but in reality Rogers have other plans. 
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 08, 2019, 08:27:57 AM
I was always sceptical about the claim because regardless of his salary there was just no way Rogers was going to unceremoniously let him go. He's not Doug McLean, who was likely not renewed because he doesn't bring anything to the show and Burke's essentially replaced him as the former GM, not because of salary reasons. And while McCowan was huge in the radio world I'd venture a guess that a tiny fraction of Canadians know who he is as opposed to Don Cherry who pretty much every Canadian knows. They'll give him a final "retirement" season (that may not include weekly appearances anymore) for his swan song.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Michael on July 08, 2019, 08:46:41 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on July 08, 2019, 08:27:57 AM
They'll give him a final "retirement" season (that may not include weekly appearances anymore) for his swan song.

You mean the opposite of what happened to Bob McCown? Bob is also a huge name and has been a staple of Sports Talk radio in Canada for 30 nearly 30 years and he was not given any send-off at all. He foumd out and then 2 or 3 days later he signed off for the last time.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 08, 2019, 08:52:18 AM
Quote from: Michael on July 08, 2019, 08:46:41 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on July 08, 2019, 08:27:57 AM
They'll give him a final "retirement" season (that may not include weekly appearances anymore) for his swan song.

You mean the opposite of what happened to Bob McCown? Bob is also a huge name and has been a staple of Sports Talk radio in Canada for 30 nearly 30 years and he was not given any send-off at all. He foumd out and then 2 or 3 days later he signed off for the last time.

I mean like I said in the sentence right before that, McCown might be a massive name in radio but in terms of all-around audience and appeal to Canadians they aren't even in the same solar system.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on July 08, 2019, 09:11:36 AM

I wonder if the thing is that Rogers may "want" to bring him back but only if he comes back for a significantly reduced salary. For someone like McCown, that may have been worthless to him as he's already probably made enough to comfortably retire on.

Cherry though seems to really enjoy the spotlight so maybe he's willing to come back and the lack of any sort of announcement has to do with just some end stage negotiations.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: hap_leaf on July 08, 2019, 12:35:36 PM
Quote from: Michael on July 08, 2019, 08:46:41 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on July 08, 2019, 08:27:57 AM
They'll give him a final "retirement" season (that may not include weekly appearances anymore) for his swan song.

You mean the opposite of what happened to Bob McCown? Bob is also a huge name and has been a staple of Sports Talk radio in Canada for 30 nearly 30 years and he was not given any send-off at all. He foumd out and then 2 or 3 days later he signed off for the last time.

At McCown's request, there will be no fanfare or tributes during his final shows, Sportsnet said.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on July 08, 2019, 02:31:04 PM
In that same article by Simmons, there was a piece about Matthews making a request that Nylander be on his line instead of Kapanen.  Think there is any truth to that?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on July 08, 2019, 04:32:40 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on July 08, 2019, 08:52:18 AM
Quote from: Michael on July 08, 2019, 08:46:41 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on July 08, 2019, 08:27:57 AM
They'll give him a final "retirement" season (that may not include weekly appearances anymore) for his swan song.

You mean the opposite of what happened to Bob McCown? Bob is also a huge name and has been a staple of Sports Talk radio in Canada for 30 nearly 30 years and he was not given any send-off at all. He foumd out and then 2 or 3 days later he signed off for the last time.

I mean like I said in the sentence right before that, McCown might be a massive name in radio but in terms of all-around audience and appeal to Canadians they aren't even in the same solar system.
True. Love him or hate him, Cherry is huge.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: bustaheims on July 08, 2019, 04:54:30 PM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on July 08, 2019, 02:31:04 PM
In that same article by Simmons, there was a piece about Matthews making a request that Nylander be on his line instead of Kapanen.  Think there is any truth to that?

Considering the source? I'd be skeptical.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 08, 2019, 04:59:11 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on July 08, 2019, 04:54:30 PM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on July 08, 2019, 02:31:04 PM
In that same article by Simmons, there was a piece about Matthews making a request that Nylander be on his line instead of Kapanen.  Think there is any truth to that?

Considering the source? I'd be skeptical.

I don't buy it from Simmons, but even if it's true I wouldn't fault Matthews for doing it.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Chris on July 08, 2019, 05:04:59 PM
I'm sure Matthews would prefer to play with Nylander versus Kapanen - who wouldn't? For all his speed, Kapanen is nowhere near the passer or playmaker that Nylander is.

However, I doubt Matthews ever told Simmons that. He's just stating something that is obvious to anyone who has watched the Leafs.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on July 08, 2019, 05:06:21 PM

To be fair if it's true that doesn't mean it would have to be Matthew's who would have told it to Simmons.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: lamajama on July 09, 2019, 12:03:57 AM
I would hope Willie isn't going to be a $6.9 mil 3rd liner so that leaves Kapi on the 3rd..
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on July 09, 2019, 08:42:38 AM
Quote from: lamajama on July 09, 2019, 12:03:57 AM
I would hope Willie isn't going to be a $6.9 mil 3rd liner so that leaves Kapi on the 3rd..

One of these guys needs to switch sides and play the off-wing.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: cabber24 on July 12, 2019, 01:13:45 PM
I am embarrassed for both TSN and Sportsnet radio this week, especially in the morning. Truly awful radio. Surely, they can hire a few more capable people. Anyone else listening to this garbage?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: leafsjunkie on July 12, 2019, 01:22:21 PM
Quote from: cabber24 on July 12, 2019, 01:13:45 PM
I am embarrassed for both TSN and Sportsnet radio this week, especially in the morning. Truly awful radio. Surely, they can hire a few more capable people. Anyone else listening to this garbage?

Honestly, I try and listen, but they spout the same lazy garbage narritive every time. They also say stuff that is also totally false and I wonder how these guys have jobs, because they don't provide any real insigh or knowledge. I yell at the radio then turn it off.
Sports radio is dead in this city, for me.
Glad I have Spotify.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 12, 2019, 01:35:38 PM
It's been about a week since that Simmons piece about Cherry and Rogers/Sportsnet has still made zero comment about it. Not even a non-committal "we intend/plan for him to return" while negotiations or something go on. Maybe that means nothing, but it's a little odd.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on July 12, 2019, 01:47:36 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on July 12, 2019, 01:35:38 PM
It's been about a week since that Simmons piece about Cherry and Rogers/Sportsnet has still made zero comment about it. Not even a non-committal "we intend/plan for him to return" while negotiations or something go on. Maybe that means nothing, but it's a little odd.

There was this at least, but not much more:
https://twitter.com/hockeynight/status/1148286789410590721
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 12, 2019, 01:51:41 PM
Quote from: herman on July 12, 2019, 01:47:36 PM
There was this at least, but not much more:

Yeah but that article is basically just re-posting Don Cherry's tweet. The fact that it was posted on CBC doesn't really mean anything, especially since they have nothing to do with the decision. It also says "a Sportsnet spokesperson declined comment in an email" in it.

I've also seen stories that say "Don Cherry confirms return to Coaches Corner" or something, and he absolutely did not do that.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on July 12, 2019, 01:59:03 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on July 12, 2019, 01:51:41 PM
Quote from: herman on July 12, 2019, 01:47:36 PM
There was this at least, but not much more:

Yeah but that article is basically just re-posting Don Cherry's tweet. The fact that it was posted on CBC doesn't really mean anything, especially since they have nothing to do with the decision. It also says "a Sportsnet spokesperson declined comment in an email" in it.

I've also seen stories that say "Don Cherry confirms return to Coaches Corner" or something, and he absolutely did not do that.

I definitely did not bother to read said 'article'.

I'm guessing Rogers put Cherry's agent on hold. A week of waiting for response is kind of normal operating procedure over there.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 12, 2019, 06:04:05 PM
https://twitter.com/GMillerTSN/status/1149794567245504514

oh...
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on July 12, 2019, 07:02:37 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on July 12, 2019, 06:04:05 PM
https://twitter.com/GMillerTSN/status/1149794567245504514

oh...


I voted yes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Rob on July 12, 2019, 07:37:33 PM
Quote from: Zee on July 12, 2019, 07:02:37 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on July 12, 2019, 06:04:05 PM
https://twitter.com/GMillerTSN/status/1149794567245504514

oh...


I voted yes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You're done with those anyway. 
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on July 12, 2019, 08:01:18 PM
Quote from: Rob on July 12, 2019, 07:37:33 PM
Quote from: Zee on July 12, 2019, 07:02:37 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on July 12, 2019, 06:04:05 PM
https://twitter.com/GMillerTSN/status/1149794567245504514

oh...


I voted yes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Your done with those anyway.

Exactly my thought lol
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: disco on July 26, 2019, 10:15:33 AM
Brian Burke Explains How Teams Like Jets and Maple Leafs Can Work Within Salary Cap|Tim and Sid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH3gKESndqk
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: L K on July 26, 2019, 11:02:04 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on July 12, 2019, 06:04:05 PM
https://twitter.com/GMillerTSN/status/1149794567245504514

oh...

Repeat the question with the surgeon and anesthetist in the room and the number goes to 3%.  I'm pretty sure 3% of people are that dumb.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: disco on August 07, 2019, 11:01:51 AM
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChV3NHKFYgxe4k1ajuk_bbw
Just found Paul Bissonnette's podcast. Love the banter and insight into the lifestyle of the journeyman.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 28, 2019, 10:53:08 AM
https://twitter.com/RealKyper/status/1166724161248595968

Kypreos is out at Sportsnet.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 28, 2019, 10:57:29 AM
@yyzsportsmedia reported this right before it was made official. Here's some of his other tweets from today:

QuoteSo as we get close to labor day here are some thoughts I have on the Toronto Sports media scene...again just thoughts .....

Don Cherry put the Rogers folks in a bind with his publicity "I am coming back " stunt.. I 100% believe he was done but likely bought himself a swan song one last year...

While not confirmed and both parties have gone silent, the rumor that will not go away is that neither Nick Kypreos or John Shannon will play roles at Sportsnet this fall. Again not confirmed but literally everyone is talking about it

Look for Carlo Colaiacovo to play a bigger role at TSN many are impressed with him

Scott MacArthur is the rising star at Rogers both with fans and internally. Here's hoping this continues and he avoids being the shiney penny

There's a ton of speculation on new hosts for PTS...many believe they will simply let Blair ride this out for a while until people are no longer lamenting the loss of Bob and then announce new host.

Prevailing rumor this summer was that Tim and Sid would be split, with one taking on PTS and the other to a new role but that appears to be fiction...
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on August 28, 2019, 10:59:19 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on August 28, 2019, 10:53:08 AM
https://twitter.com/RealKyper/status/1166724161248595968

Kypreos is out at Sportsnet.

Buckle up, people, there's going to be the occasional trade you're going to have to wait an extra 20 seconds to learn about now.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Deebo on August 28, 2019, 11:15:37 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on August 28, 2019, 10:57:29 AM
@yyzsportsmedia reported this right before it was made official. Here's some of his other tweets from today:

QuoteSo as we get close to labor day here are some thoughts I have on the Toronto Sports media scene...again just thoughts .....

Don Cherry put the Rogers folks in a bind with his publicity "I am coming back " stunt.. I 100% believe he was done but likely bought himself a swan song one last year...

While not confirmed and both parties have gone silent, the rumor that will not go away is that neither Nick Kypreos or John Shannon will play roles at Sportsnet this fall. Again not confirmed but literally everyone is talking about it

Look for Carlo Colaiacovo to play a bigger role at TSN many are impressed with him

Scott MacArthur is the rising star at Rogers both with fans and internally. Here's hoping this continues and he avoids being the shiney penny

There's a ton of speculation on new hosts for PTS...many believe they will simply let Blair ride this out for a while until people are no longer lamenting the loss of Bob and then announce new host.

Prevailing rumor this summer was that Tim and Sid would be split, with one taking on PTS and the other to a new role but that appears to be fiction...

I liked Carlo when he first started but over time, I just found him to get dumber.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 28, 2019, 11:18:48 AM
Quote from: Deebo on August 28, 2019, 11:15:37 AM
I liked Carlo when he first started but over time, I just found him to get dumber.

I don't really listen to the radio but most of the things I've seen through twitter (either from him directly or people discussing his radio takes) really paint him as just another typical former hockey player with outdated views.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bender on August 28, 2019, 11:35:21 AM
I'd really love to hear more of Justin Bourne. I know he's with The Athletic but I think he'd be great to be on tv/radio. I'll miss Kyper a bit. I didn't agree with him all the time but I liked him for some reason. Will be interesting to see who's replacing who this fall.

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on August 28, 2019, 11:18:48 AM
Quote from: Deebo on August 28, 2019, 11:15:37 AM
I liked Carlo when he first started but over time, I just found him to get dumber.

I don't really listen to the radio but most of the things I've seen through twitter (either from him directly or people discussing his radio takes) really paint him as just another typical former hockey player with outdated views.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on August 28, 2019, 12:30:35 PM
Good.  Hopefully whoever replaces him is an upgrade.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on August 28, 2019, 12:33:27 PM

I don't like seeing anyone lose their job for the most part but there's really no getting away from the fact that both TSN and Sportsnet have basically existed providing bland competency in their studio shows for ever. They could basically replace just about anyone with just about anyone else they employ and the ultimate difference is nil.

Even the guys who I generally like, and I think this is the problem whenever we talk about who would be good replacements or fits for new hires, tend to be way more interesting and enjoyable when they're not at the TSN or Sportsnet studio shows and they can reveal a little bit of personality or, gasp, some opinions that might ruffle feathers.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 28, 2019, 12:41:48 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on August 28, 2019, 12:30:35 PM
Good.  Hopefully whoever replaces him is an upgrade.

The only downside to this is that I'm pretty sure it'll just mean more mic-time for Burke.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 28, 2019, 12:45:35 PM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on August 28, 2019, 12:33:27 PM
I don't like seeing anyone lose their job for the most part but there's really no getting away from the fact that both TSN and Sportsnet have basically existed providing bland competency in their studio shows for ever. They could basically replace just about anyone with just about anyone else they employ and the ultimate difference is nil.

Even the guys who I generally like, and I think this is the problem whenever we talk about who would be good replacements or fits for new hires, tend to be way more interesting and enjoyable when they're not at the TSN or Sportsnet studio shows and they can reveal a little bit of personality or, gasp, some opinions that might ruffle feathers.

I think this applies to Sportsnet a lot more than TSN. The TSN guys can often seem like they're legitimately having fun out there. And lot of of the time that's mostly because of Jeff O'Neill, who's a guy I don't agree with a lot but his presence can really lighten up the broadcast. Sportsnet's are definitely usually pretty monotonous/robotic and like you said that makes it tough for any commentator/analyst/host.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 28, 2019, 12:53:21 PM
I believe this was rumoured awhile ago but Doug Maclean confirms that he's out too.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bates on August 28, 2019, 12:54:55 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on August 28, 2019, 12:45:35 PM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on August 28, 2019, 12:33:27 PM
I don't like seeing anyone lose their job for the most part but there's really no getting away from the fact that both TSN and Sportsnet have basically existed providing bland competency in their studio shows for ever. They could basically replace just about anyone with just about anyone else they employ and the ultimate difference is nil.

Even the guys who I generally like, and I think this is the problem whenever we talk about who would be good replacements or fits for new hires, tend to be way more interesting and enjoyable when they're not at the TSN or Sportsnet studio shows and they can reveal a little bit of personality or, gasp, some opinions that might ruffle feathers.

I think this applies to Sportsnet a lot more than TSN. The TSN guys can often seem like they're legitimately having fun out there. And lot of of the time that's mostly because of Jeff O'Neill, who's a guy I don't agree with a lot but his presence can really lighten up the broadcast. Sportsnet's are definitely usually pretty monotonous/robotic and like you said that makes it tough for any commentator/analyst/host.

TSN has kinda actually tried the entertainment side of programming with guys like O'Neill, Noodles, and Carlo. They sprinkle them in with guys who have some knowledge and I find myself putting in TSN almost always over Sportsnet.  I did watch Hockey Central when it was Millard, Hyper,  and MacLean. Have not watched it since Millard left.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on August 28, 2019, 01:10:21 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on August 28, 2019, 12:45:35 PM
I think this applies to Sportsnet a lot more than TSN. The TSN guys can often seem like they're legitimately having fun out there. And lot of of the time that's mostly because of Jeff O'Neill, who's a guy I don't agree with a lot but his presence can really lighten up the broadcast. Sportsnet's are definitely usually pretty monotonous/robotic and like you said that makes it tough for any commentator/analyst/host.

I don't think it's a tone thing for me. I think you can have good studio shows that are relatively serious/professional provided you have smart, engaging people who are allowed to throw challenging opinions out there and, while trying to to be respectful of the fact that everyone has their own tastes, my problem with Sportsnet definitely isn't that they haven't imported enough talk radio dude-bros making fart noises.

Friedman, to me, is a perfect example. Any time he substituted as a host on PTS and was talking about other sports he was engaging and funny. Then, he'd get on HNIC and he's so laser focused on his main job of breaking trades 20 seconds before everyone else and thinking that fans are more interested in second hand whispers from around the league than actually talking about the league.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: . on August 28, 2019, 07:49:04 PM
Personally, I like Burke, and I hope they expand his airtime. I find him and elliotte freidman entertaining.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on August 28, 2019, 08:35:33 PM
Quote from: Frycer14 on August 28, 2019, 07:49:04 PM
Personally, I like Burke, and I hope they expand his airtime. I find him and elliotte freidman entertaining.

If it's Burke vs Kypreos then Burke's entertainment advantage carries the day for me. The problem with Burke is that his authoritative sounding dogmatism was exposed as being not so authoritative during his tenure here. That makes me question pretty much anything he has to say.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: disco on August 28, 2019, 08:35:56 PM
Hockey Central at Noon with Doug MacLean and Nick Kypreos was one I'd always put on if I was home. I enjoyed their takes and banter. It was rough for Kipper at the HNIC desk, he'd fumble over his words a lot. He was best in the hour-long hockey show format. Interested to see who eventually takes over PTS.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Michael on August 29, 2019, 08:47:07 AM
I do not think as many people will care, but it is also confirmed that John Shannon is out. I like him with Bobcat.

That Rogers deal with the NHL has not panned out the way they expected. They are only 5 years into the mammoth 12 year deal and they are not seeing the revenues coming in to offset the $5 billion deal they made. I have heard that some deep playoff runs by any of the Canadian teams would have helped significantly - and from a purely money standpoint Rogers would likely want to see Toronto or Montreal go deep and draw large TV audiences.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bender on August 29, 2019, 08:48:00 AM
Quote from: Frycer14 on August 28, 2019, 07:49:04 PM
Personally, I like Burke, and I hope they expand his airtime. I find him and elliotte freidman entertaining.

I can't stand Burke because he comes off like he honestly knows everything but fails to acknowledge that his career was a shit show for the last 12 years. It's hard to put faith in someone's opinions who's so brash but so incompetent.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on August 29, 2019, 08:59:22 AM
Some of the best discussions are generated by voices that are astoundingly wrong declaring they are absolutely right.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Frank E on August 29, 2019, 09:19:57 AM
Quote from: Bender on August 29, 2019, 08:48:00 AM
Quote from: Frycer14 on August 28, 2019, 07:49:04 PM
Personally, I like Burke, and I hope they expand his airtime. I find him and elliotte freidman entertaining.

I can't stand Burke because he comes off like he honestly knows everything but fails to acknowledge that his career was a shit show for the last 12 years. It's hard to put faith in someone's opinions who's so brash but so incompetent.

I'm not so sure that Brian Burke's executive career should be described as a shit-show, even the past 12 years. 
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: . on August 29, 2019, 09:39:03 AM
Quote from: Bender on August 29, 2019, 08:48:00 AM
Quote from: Frycer14 on August 28, 2019, 07:49:04 PM
Personally, I like Burke, and I hope they expand his airtime. I find him and elliotte freidman entertaining.

I can't stand Burke because he comes off like he honestly knows everything but fails to acknowledge that his career was a shit show for the last 12 years. It's hard to put faith in someone's opinions who's so brash but so incompetent.

I can understand why people might feel that way. I guess I like how many perspectives he has on the sport. Player agent, exec vp of the league, GM, dept of player safety, etc... I don't think anyone else is paralleled in seeing pro hockey from so many different angles, and I've enjoyed hearing his perspectives, right or wrong in hindsight.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: disco on August 29, 2019, 05:42:58 PM
I like John Shannon too, nice counterweight to Bobcat. Burkie's good TV, opinionated and intelligent. I like his little stories. But I've lost a lot of respect for his semi-authoritative takes. I think if he was in charge again somewhere he'd have them locked into the NHL mushy-middle in no time.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: disco on August 31, 2019, 02:56:28 PM
https://twitter.com/JShannonhl/status/1167858854824165377
That's a helluva good hire.

https://twitter.com/HennyTweets/status/1167793727504637952
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bender on September 02, 2019, 09:57:47 AM
Quote from: Frank E on August 29, 2019, 09:19:57 AM
Quote from: Bender on August 29, 2019, 08:48:00 AM
Quote from: Frycer14 on August 28, 2019, 07:49:04 PM
Personally, I like Burke, and I hope they expand his airtime. I find him and elliotte freidman entertaining.

I can't stand Burke because he comes off like he honestly knows everything but fails to acknowledge that his career was a shit show for the last 12 years. It's hard to put faith in someone's opinions who's so brash but so incompetent.

I'm not so sure that Brian Burke's executive career should be described as a shit-show, even the past 12 years.
Since the Leafs? If not a shit show then an abject failure in Toronto and a who cares in Calgary.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 04, 2019, 05:08:39 PM
Some news from down south:

https://twitter.com/RickCarpiniello/status/1169337914322497538
https://twitter.com/RickCarpiniello/status/1169340480796200967
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on September 16, 2019, 03:50:27 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1173615308382363650
https://twitter.com/ShawnMcKenzieSN/status/1173676433757081601
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1173684594945773568

Edit:
https://twitter.com/markhmasters/status/1173687813046439939
Lol
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on September 16, 2019, 04:03:38 PM
That's a pretty big bunch of plastic next to those guys.  Hopefully it doesn't end up in the ocean.  Kind of surprised Nfld hasn't banned disposable drink bottles yet.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: disco on September 18, 2019, 10:16:30 PM
https://twitter.com/JayOnrait/status/1174500686379257858
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: nutman on September 22, 2019, 12:10:06 PM
I have a question.  Why during the coaches media scrums do these guys and gals not put the mic to there mouth when asking there questions????.  It is so annoying.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Highlander on September 22, 2019, 01:15:35 PM
Did anyone read Cox's article in the Star the other day?  A real Debi Downer piece on where the Leafs are really at inside his shaved cranium.  I guess he is not seeing what I am.  I truly believe we are looking at the best Leaf team since the 60's and maybe ever.   This season is going to be one wild ride.  We are going to go for the Cup this year Damian. 
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 22, 2019, 01:59:01 PM
Quote from: Highlander on September 22, 2019, 01:15:35 PM
Did anyone read Cox's article in the Star the other day?  A real Debi Downer piece on where the Leafs are really at inside his shaved cranium.  I guess he is not seeing what I am.  I truly believe we are looking at the best Leaf team since the 60's and maybe ever.   This season is going to be one wild ride.  We are going to go for the Cup this year Damian. 
I didn't read the article. The Leafs had some really good teams in the Sittler/Salming years and again in the Quinn years. This bunch is definitely talented but until they actually win a round. Should be an exciting year tho.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on September 22, 2019, 09:21:42 PM
Quote from: Highlander on September 22, 2019, 01:15:35 PM
Did anyone read Cox's article in the Star the other day?  A real Debi Downer piece on where the Leafs are really at inside his shaved cranium.  I guess he is not seeing what I am.  I truly believe we are looking at the best Leaf team since the 60's and maybe ever.   This season is going to be one wild ride.  We are going to go for the Cup this year Damian.


Not so sure how much of that cranium is shaved I think that cueball is natural
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Michael on September 25, 2019, 09:45:33 AM
Changes today at The Fan. Greg Brady signed off and said goodbye.

https://twitter.com/yyzsportsmedia/status/1176850633841758213
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Michael on September 27, 2019, 07:43:54 PM
The Leafs have so much money and try to do everything in a best in class kind of way - arena, training facilities, staff, support etc.

Do they have no say at all in the SportsNet on air package? I like TSN a lot. Miller and Ferraro are great. HNIC is reasonable as well. But SN is just awful. Greg Millen is the last person I want to hear from between the benches and the guy calling the game sounds like an amateur. SN is the hockey rights holder for the NHL, yet they have stripped down to a bare bones talent that has little left after Friedman.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on September 27, 2019, 08:20:09 PM
Quote from: Michael on September 27, 2019, 07:43:54 PM
The Leafs have so much money and try to do everything in a best in class kind of way - arena, training facilities, staff, support etc.

Do they have no say at all in the SportsNet on air package? I like TSN a lot. Miller and Ferraro are great. HNIC is reasonable as well. But SN is just awful. Greg Millen is the last person I want to hear from between the benches and the guy calling the game sounds like an amateur. SN is the hockey rights holder for the NHL, yet they have stripped down to a bare bones talent that has little left after Friedman.

Are you going to stop watching games on Sportsnet?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: BrownRolo on September 27, 2019, 09:24:40 PM
Quote from: Michael on September 27, 2019, 07:43:54 PM
The Leafs have so much money and try to do everything in a best in class kind of way - arena, training facilities, staff, support etc.

Do they have no say at all in the SportsNet on air package? I like TSN a lot. Miller and Ferraro are great. HNIC is reasonable as well. But SN is just awful. Greg Millen is the last person I want to hear from between the benches and the guy calling the game sounds like an amateur. SN is the hockey rights holder for the NHL, yet they have stripped down to a bare bones talent that has little left after Friedman.

Any time a game is broadcast on SN I always watch the opposition feed on NHL.tv

The guy doing the playbyplay is listenable but I 100% agree with you on Millen. He's the worst and I have no idea how he has a job. It's definitely not based on talent. You think they could find some new people to call games and do colour.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Michael on September 28, 2019, 01:12:13 AM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on September 27, 2019, 08:20:09 PM
Quote from: Michael on September 27, 2019, 07:43:54 PM
The Leafs have so much money and try to do everything in a best in class kind of way - arena, training facilities, staff, support etc.

Do they have no say at all in the SportsNet on air package? I like TSN a lot. Miller and Ferraro are great. HNIC is reasonable as well. But SN is just awful. Greg Millen is the last person I want to hear from between the benches and the guy calling the game sounds like an amateur. SN is the hockey rights holder for the NHL, yet they have stripped down to a bare bones talent that has little left after Friedman.

Are you going to stop watching games on Sportsnet?

Sometimes I watch the opposite team feed to avoid it, but overall, no.  Your point? That they have no need to improve because we will always watch anyway?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on September 28, 2019, 08:35:05 PM
Quote from: Michael on September 28, 2019, 01:12:13 AM
Sometimes I watch the opposite team feed to avoid it, but overall, no.  Your point? That they have no need to improve because we will always watch anyway?

That's just more or less the way the TV business works. If Sportsnet is losing a ton of money on the NHL deal, they're not going to lose more by investing in better talent if it doesn't affect ratings.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on September 29, 2019, 01:09:09 PM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on September 28, 2019, 08:35:05 PM
Quote from: Michael on September 28, 2019, 01:12:13 AM
Sometimes I watch the opposite team feed to avoid it, but overall, no.  Your point? That they have no need to improve because we will always watch anyway?

That's just more or less the way the TV business works. If Sportsnet is losing a ton of money on the NHL deal, they're not going to lose more by investing in better talent if it doesn't affect ratings.

Or, you know, how it works for every business out there...Well, ones that stay in business.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Michael on September 30, 2019, 08:48:40 AM
I am not sure that suggesting someone does not know how a business runs profitably is furthering the discussion.

The point is that the Leafs do everything in a world class type of way. Sadly, the majority of their games on TV (the ones on SportsNet) are anything but world class. In fact they are awful.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on September 30, 2019, 05:01:01 PM
Quote from: Michael on September 30, 2019, 08:48:40 AM
I am not sure that suggesting someone does not know how a business runs profitably is furthering the discussion.

The point is that the Leafs do everything in a world class type of way. Sadly, the majority of their games on TV (the ones on SportsNet) are anything but world class. In fact they are awful.

I'm not saying that the games shouldn't be broadcast in a professional manner. I just don't see what you or I can do to up the quality other than stop watching.

That being said, I don't watch intermissions, or really listen to Millen, or whomever. I watch the Leafs play hockey. 
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: disco on September 30, 2019, 05:01:40 PM
We deserve better. It's a world-class market, huge devoted fan-base. Perhaps Sportsnet sees the Leafs viewing audience as the NHL sees Canada: expected and taken for granted.

Romanuck last year and now this new gentleman for all the SN games excluding the somewhat bland and corporate Hughson for Saturdays. Competent, but I've been turning on Bowen and synchronizing. I just don't find myself doing that for Gord Miller or Chris Cuthbert on TSN. I don't need a homer or anything, just competence, style and a none-nasally/gravelly voice.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on September 30, 2019, 05:59:23 PM
Quote from: Michael on September 30, 2019, 08:48:40 AM
The point is that the Leafs do everything in a world class type of way. Sadly, the majority of their games on TV (the ones on SportsNet) are anything but world class. In fact they are awful.

Well, no. It's your opinion that they're awful. Likewise, the people in charge of the broadcast probably feel that it's pretty good considering the budget they have. Regardless, nobody above the producer at Sportsnet is likely to make a change unless they think it will tangibly affect the ratings.

And given that the Leafs are Sportsnet, or at least in part, it seems pretty unlikely that anyone with the Leafs is going to risk antagonizing their bosses to demand they spend more money on broadcasting games because the current intermission show doesn't match the world-class standards of the team that hasn't won a playoff series in 15 years.

Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on September 30, 2019, 07:29:23 PM
Quote from: disco on September 30, 2019, 05:01:40 PM
We deserve better. It's a world-class market, huge devoted fan-base. Perhaps Sportsnet sees the Leafs viewing audience as the NHL sees Canada: expected and taken for granted.

Romanuck last year and now this new gentleman for all the SN games excluding the somewhat bland and corporate Hughson for Saturdays. Competent, but I've been turning on Bowen and synchronizing. I just don't find myself doing that for Gord Miller or Chris Cuthbert on TSN. I don't need a homer or anything, just competence, style and a none-nasally/gravelly voice.

Bowen drives me up the wall. To each their own.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 30, 2019, 11:18:18 PM
TSN kicks Sportsnet's ass broadcasting Leafs games. Love Miller and Ferraro. Chris Cuthbert is also very good. Even the intermissions are much better with Duthie, O'Dog, Bobby Mc, Poulin.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Deebo on October 02, 2019, 04:50:01 PM
McKenzie is staying with TSN for 6 more seasons.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 02, 2019, 04:53:13 PM
Quote from: Deebo on October 02, 2019, 04:50:01 PM
McKenzie is staying with TSN for 6 more seasons.
Like Bobby Mac
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Peter D. on October 02, 2019, 06:28:52 PM
Quote from: Deebo on October 02, 2019, 04:50:01 PM
McKenzie is staying with TSN for 6 more seasons.

What's his % per point in comparison with all the other signings?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on October 02, 2019, 06:43:50 PM
Quote from: Deebo on October 02, 2019, 04:50:01 PM
McKenzie is staying with TSN for 6 more seasons.

I thought he'd made noise about retirement.

Anyways, he's another guy who I find way, way more interesting when not in "insider" mode.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on October 02, 2019, 09:43:57 PM
https://twitter.com/tomurtzjr/status/1179569471389929472

I heard this during the game and it was just a bad, bad way to fill the air, man.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on October 02, 2019, 09:57:41 PM
Yep. I was going to comment on that in the GDT. What an idiot.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on October 02, 2019, 10:00:10 PM
It should be a career limiting move there, but *gestures to Grapes* the precedent is... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on October 02, 2019, 10:08:56 PM
Quote from: herman on October 02, 2019, 10:00:10 PM
It should be a career limiting move there, but *gestures to Grapes* the precedent is... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I would hope your standards in Canada are higher than where ours have fallen to.  And, 3 years late, I make a generalized apology to all of you for our Electoral College.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on October 03, 2019, 12:34:40 AM

Not that I think what Hughson said was smart, it wasn't, but I'm seeing people on Twitter suggesting he was referring to Kane and the sexual assault accusation. He pretty clearly says 2012 which is about Kane being filmed acting like a drunken idiot. The sexual assault stuff was years later.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on October 03, 2019, 09:17:32 AM
I thought it was clear what he was referring to. But that's part of why it was idiotic: knowing that there were later accusations that people might -- unsurprisingly -- think he was referring to.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 03, 2019, 10:38:33 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on October 03, 2019, 09:17:32 AM
I thought it was clear what he was referring to. But that's part of why it was idiotic: knowing that there were later accusations that people might -- unsurprisingly -- think he was referring to.

We should blame Kane for having two indiscretions.  We should also blame the NHL for having multiple Kanes.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on October 03, 2019, 11:05:25 PM
I don't understand what you're saying. We should blame P.Kane's two issues for Hughson's dumb remarks?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 05, 2019, 09:47:25 AM
Quote from: Bullfrog on October 03, 2019, 11:05:25 PM
I don't understand what you're saying. We should blame P.Kane's two issues for Hughson's dumb remarks?

It was a joke.  Sorry, bad joke.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on October 09, 2019, 09:19:03 AM
Unbelievable article in the Athletic this morning about one time Leaf Don Edwards family and their horror over their parents murder 30 years ago.  Worth a read.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on October 09, 2019, 10:49:17 AM
Did you see the one in The Athletic where someone posted this really weird pro-China piece and then they started blocking comments about Hong Kong and banning members over it before closing off the comments?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on October 09, 2019, 11:00:28 AM
Quote from: herman on October 09, 2019, 10:49:17 AM
Did you see the one in The Athletic where someone posted this really weird pro-China piece and then they started blocking comments about Hong Kong and banning members over it before closing off the comments?
I heard about that after this NBA backlash but I didn't see the article
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on October 09, 2019, 12:11:14 PM
Quote from: Zee on October 09, 2019, 11:00:28 AM
Quote from: herman on October 09, 2019, 10:49:17 AM
Did you see the one in The Athletic where someone posted this really weird pro-China piece and then they started blocking comments about Hong Kong and banning members over it before closing off the comments?
I heard about that after this NBA backlash but I didn't see the article

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/des8nt/the_athletic_didnt_post_on_the_china_story_all/
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on October 09, 2019, 02:35:55 PM

Hmmm. It's almost as if running what should be a journalistic enterprise as a tech start-up means the bosses will ultimately side with potential sources of new capital over ethical standards. If only someone had seen it coming.

But who? Who could possibly have been wise, and handsome, enough to call this?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on October 09, 2019, 03:28:55 PM
Quote from: herman on October 09, 2019, 12:11:14 PM
Quote from: Zee on October 09, 2019, 11:00:28 AM
Quote from: herman on October 09, 2019, 10:49:17 AM
Did you see the one in The Athletic where someone posted this really weird pro-China piece and then they started blocking comments about Hong Kong and banning members over it before closing off the comments?
I heard about that after this NBA backlash but I didn't see the article

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/des8nt/the_athletic_didnt_post_on_the_china_story_all/

Eh, I read the article today, it wasn't the Athletic posting a pro-China stance, they were reporting on comments made by Nets owner Joseph Tsai, Taiwanese born who made the comments that Hong Kong is part of China.  They've followed up on the story today, including why comments were disabled on the article with commentators attacking each other with vitriol on topics unrelated to the article in general.

Also, with respect to money they said today:

QuoteGood question. As I messaged to our staff yesterday, we do not have active business operations in China nor do we have any commercial or financial relationships with the NBA or any party that would preclude us from covering this story objectively.

You can also view the full investor list with a quick Google search. As far as I am aware, with only a couple of exceptions (BDMI is backed by a German media company and Amasia is co-headquartered in the US & Singapore), our investors are US-based firms with portfolios in principally US-based companies. Most importantly, our investors have zero influence on the journalism our newsroom does.

And their statement today as well:
https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/status/1181951585011679232
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on October 09, 2019, 03:45:24 PM

It's passing on pro-regime viewpoints uncritically and unsourced. You can't just put "people say..." in front of propaganda and get to claim it's "just reporting".

Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on October 09, 2019, 05:03:39 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on October 09, 2019, 03:45:24 PM

It's passing on pro-regime viewpoints uncritically and unsourced. You can't just put "people say..." in front of propaganda and get to claim it's "just reporting".


It was just a crappy article nothing more nefarious than that. I think people are making too much out of it.  The Athletic staff have already responded to criticism on it and will improve in the future when handling sensitive topics like this.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on October 09, 2019, 05:41:00 PM
China is super good at bullying corporations to toe their lines. ESPN is having the same fun time.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 09, 2019, 05:52:41 PM
Little know fact, TMLFans also has Chinese investors.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on October 09, 2019, 05:56:38 PM
Yeah I donated money  8)
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on October 09, 2019, 08:26:42 PM
Quote from: Zee on October 09, 2019, 05:03:39 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on October 09, 2019, 03:45:24 PM

It's passing on pro-regime viewpoints uncritically and unsourced. You can't just put "people say..." in front of propaganda and get to claim it's "just reporting".


It was just a crappy article nothing more nefarious than that. I think people are making too much out of it.  The Athletic staff have already responded to criticism on it and will improve in the future when handling sensitive topics like this.

If this were the first instance of them having a pretty large ethical blindspot at the intermingling of ethics and money interests I might buy that but it's not.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Highlander on October 15, 2019, 02:22:50 PM
Cox said some positive things today about the Leaf's moving Sandin for more seasoning.  Stop the world, I want to get off.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Michael on December 06, 2019, 01:47:43 PM
https://theathletic.com/1438259/2019/12/06/with-former-leafs-defenceman-carlo-colaiacovo-aboard-tsn-1050-sees-radio-ratings-gains-in-toronto/

This article updates on the ratings situation between FAN590 and TSN1050. I am surprised that The FAN still lead in both the morning and afternoon ratings. The article does not touch on it, but perhaps that is due to the fact that their signal is much better and reaches a much wider area. I listen to TSN1050 via streaming on the iHeart app on my drive home because the signal for the radio is garbage north of Toronto.

Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Hobbes on December 11, 2019, 12:53:27 PM
In Ian Tullock's regular "Leafs Report Cards" review in The Athletic (paywall) (https://theathletic.com/1451119/2019/12/11/leafs-report-cards-frederik-andersen-and-john-tavares-put-on-a-show-in-4-1-victory-over-vancouver/) of last night's game he include this paragraph in the 1-star section:

Quote from: Ian Tulloch
Greg Millen — I never like calling out commentators — their job isn't easy — but I think it's time to admit that Millen isn't very good at his role between the benches. When you compare the quality of analysts TSN is putting out there on a nightly basis, whether it's Ray Ferraro, Mike Johnson or Jamie "Noodles" McLennan, it's pretty obvious that Sportsnet is lagging behind in that department. The biggest hockey market in Canada deserves better analysis for these games.

I have to agree with him. I shudder any time that Sportsnet is the broadcaster and throw up a little if Millen is on the crew. There are very few people on SN's shows that I can tollerate: Friedman is about the only "content" guy I like, and both Amber and Marek are decent hosts, but I'm not really a fan of any of their play by play or colour commentators or most of their other intermission/pre-game/post-game staff (and that includes the HNIC folks). Most of them are incompetent or marginal-at-best communicators. I suppose Colby Armstrong has his moments, but everyone else...meh.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on December 11, 2019, 01:05:55 PM

I wonder to what extent Sportsnet's money troubles are impacting their ability to improve the on-air talent. Because like we went over re: Cherry, while good commentators definitely add to the experience, replacing Millen with someone better probably wouldn't drive ratings to any real degree.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on December 11, 2019, 01:10:40 PM
Quote from: Hobbes on December 11, 2019, 12:53:27 PM
In Ian Tullock's regular "Leafs Report Cards" review in The Athletic (paywall) (https://theathletic.com/1451119/2019/12/11/leafs-report-cards-frederik-andersen-and-john-tavares-put-on-a-show-in-4-1-victory-over-vancouver/) of last night's game he include this paragraph in the 1-star section:

Quote from: Ian Tulloch
Greg Millen — I never like calling out commentators — their job isn't easy — but I think it's time to admit that Millen isn't very good at his role between the benches. When you compare the quality of analysts TSN is putting out there on a nightly basis, whether it's Ray Ferraro, Mike Johnson or Jamie "Noodles" McLennan, it's pretty obvious that Sportsnet is lagging behind in that department. The biggest hockey market in Canada deserves better analysis for these games.

I have to agree with him. I shudder any time that Sportsnet is the broadcaster and throw up a little if Millen is on the crew. There are very few people on SN's shows that I can tollerate: Friedman is about the only "content" guy I like, and both Amber and Marek are decent hosts, but I'm not really a fan of any of their play by play or colour commentators or most of their other intermission/pre-game/post-game staff (and that includes the HNIC folks). Most of them are incompetent or marginal-at-best communicators. I suppose Colby Armstrong has his moments, but everyone else...meh.

You wouldn't have any problems if you just watched the spreadsheets.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Hobbes on December 11, 2019, 01:24:30 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on December 11, 2019, 01:05:55 PM

I wonder to what extent Sportsnet's money troubles are impacting their ability to improve the on-air talent. Because like we went over re: Cherry, while good commentators definitely add to the experience, replacing Millen with someone better probably wouldn't drive ratings to any real degree.
Hard to say. They have a captive audience and the ratings are probably 99.9% driven by it being a Leafs game...they'll draw pretty much the same audience no matter what. I'm sure that impacts their willingness to invest in any talent upgrades.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Hobbes on August 11, 2020, 04:02:45 PM
Bob McKenzie announced his "soft retirement" where he will step back from the day-to-day hockey world and now only contribute once in a while on special occasions (World Juniors, Trade Deadline Day, etc). The end of an era...I may not always have agreed with him but I've always respected his dedication to the craft. Certainly one of the very best of his generation.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on August 11, 2020, 05:18:38 PM
Bobby Mac is the best.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on August 11, 2020, 07:38:57 PM

I like the guy and think he's a hard worker and good prospect evaluator but I think the "Hockey Insider" thing is probably the worst thing to happen to hockey coverage in the last 30 years.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on August 12, 2020, 06:16:56 PM
https://twitter.com/thnkencampbell/status/1293660339989618695
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on August 13, 2020, 09:12:53 AM
Quote from: herman on August 12, 2020, 06:16:56 PM
https://twitter.com/thnkencampbell/status/1293660339989618695

Nothing like being quiet when the bs was actually going on and then running in at the end and yelling "I told you so".....

Steve Simmons didn't ask a question. He reported something he wasn't supposed to and then when he was called on it, he threw a temper tantrum.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 13, 2020, 09:23:59 AM
To be clear, Ken Campbell's tweet seems to be in reference to Dubas giving a one word response to this question from Simmons yesterday: "You referenced numerous times that the team didn't meet its potential. Is it possible that you and Brendan and the staff have misread the potential of this group?"
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on August 13, 2020, 10:03:27 AM
Quote from: herman on August 12, 2020, 06:16:56 PM
https://twitter.com/thnkencampbell/status/1293660339989618695

I finally dropped my sub to THN after they got rid of essentially everyone except this clown.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 13, 2020, 10:06:34 AM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on August 13, 2020, 10:03:27 AM
Quote from: herman on August 12, 2020, 06:16:56 PM
https://twitter.com/thnkencampbell/status/1293660339989618695

I finally dropped my sub to THN after they got rid of essentially everyone except this clown.

You're missing out on great takes like... if a player shot 25% he'd be a superstar!

https://twitter.com/THNKenCampbell/status/1293268807230935043
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Frank E on August 13, 2020, 10:44:23 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on August 13, 2020, 09:23:59 AM
To be clear, Ken Campbell's tweet seems to be in reference to Dubas giving a one word response to this question from Simmons yesterday: "You referenced numerous times that the team didn't meet its potential. Is it possible that you and Brendan and the staff have misread the potential of this group?"

I don't have an issue with the question at all.  I also don't have a problem with the answer.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on August 13, 2020, 11:03:35 AM
Quote from: Frank E on August 13, 2020, 10:44:23 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on August 13, 2020, 09:23:59 AM
To be clear, Ken Campbell's tweet seems to be in reference to Dubas giving a one word response to this question from Simmons yesterday: "You referenced numerous times that the team didn't meet its potential. Is it possible that you and Brendan and the staff have misread the potential of this group?"

I don't have an issue with the question at all.  I also don't have a problem with the answer.

I actually think the question only left Dubas with one option. That was to answer with a resounding "No". How else does he answer that?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on August 13, 2020, 03:44:47 PM

My hunch is that that wasn't in reference just to that question but a general antipathy from the Leafs towards Simmons which, you know, just breaks my heart.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on October 05, 2020, 06:54:35 PM

Simmons article asking if Leafs are a playoff team:

https://torontosun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/toronto-maple-leafs/simmons-are-the-maple-leafs-even-a-playoff-team/wcm/4b2d0ea9-adab-4c9e-a62f-c3589294d636/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Yes it's childish but I can't stop laughing at this reply

https://twitter.com/leafsalldayy/status/1313245871098728450?s=21
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 05, 2020, 07:48:02 PM
Quote from: Zee on October 05, 2020, 06:54:35 PM

Simmons article asking if Leafs are a playoff team:

https://torontosun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/toronto-maple-leafs/simmons-are-the-maple-leafs-even-a-playoff-team/wcm/4b2d0ea9-adab-4c9e-a62f-c3589294d636/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Yes it's childish but I can't stop laughing at this reply

https://twitter.com/leafsalldayy/status/1313245871098728450?s=21
Not one vote for Dubas. What a shock that was in there. Funny thing, there's no guarantee any team makes the playoffs next year, even TBay and Boston. He's such a tool.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on February 04, 2021, 06:59:31 PM

TSN firing a lot of people, just like Sportsnet did in 2019.

Something tells me the NHL broadcasts aren't paying out like they hoped.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Peter D. on February 04, 2021, 10:49:21 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 04, 2021, 06:59:31 PM

TSN firing a lot of people, just like Sportsnet did in 2019.

Something tells me the NHL broadcasts aren't paying out like they hoped.

#BellLetsTalk  ::)
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on February 05, 2021, 12:38:27 PM
https://twitter.com/BrendoHalloran/status/1357479738059718658
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on February 05, 2021, 12:50:58 PM

Pretty astounding that Bell took money for the government employment assistance program, posted big profits they paid out to shareholders and are still firing people.

Between stuff like that and just the general way Canadians get screwed over for internet/phone service I'm genuinely astonished they're not the subject of more ire.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Peter D. on February 06, 2021, 04:22:01 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 05, 2021, 12:50:58 PM

Pretty astounding that Bell took money for the government employment assistance program, posted big profits they paid out to shareholders and are still firing people.

Between stuff like that and just the general way Canadians get screwed over for internet/phone service I'm genuinely astonished they're not the subject of more ire.

Not to mention it being a week after their ?advocacy? for mental health awareness. More like self-serving hokeyness.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bender on February 06, 2021, 06:51:35 PM
Quote from: Peter D. on February 06, 2021, 04:22:01 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 05, 2021, 12:50:58 PM

Pretty astounding that Bell took money for the government employment assistance program, posted big profits they paid out to shareholders and are still firing people.

Between stuff like that and just the general way Canadians get screwed over for internet/phone service I'm genuinely astonished they're not the subject of more ire.

Not to mention it being a week after their ?advocacy? for mental health awareness. More like self-serving hokeyness.

It's feel good bull#$#%, in all honesty. If the company doesn't back up this kind of stuff with at least a facade of ethical behaviour then what's the point?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: lamajama on February 06, 2021, 06:58:20 PM
Isn't it ironic that Dan O'Toole is the one turfed and this is after his twitter or instagram (can't remember which one) meltdown
which clearly showed he is working thru some things...but hey Bell.....
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bender on February 06, 2021, 08:55:35 PM
Quote from: lamajama on February 06, 2021, 06:58:20 PM
Isn't it ironic that Dan O'Toole is the one turfed and this is after his twitter or instagram (can't remember which one) meltdown
which clearly showed he is working thru some things...but hey Bell.....
He wasn't the only one turfed.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 06, 2021, 09:01:07 PM
Quote from: Bender on February 06, 2021, 08:55:35 PM
Quote from: lamajama on February 06, 2021, 06:58:20 PM
Isn't it ironic that Dan O'Toole is the one turfed and this is after his twitter or instagram (can't remember which one) meltdown
which clearly showed he is working thru some things...but hey Bell.....
He wasn't the only one turfed.
They got rid of Natasha Staniszewski too..boo
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Deebo on February 06, 2021, 09:09:57 PM
Brent Wallace and Kristian Jack too.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 06, 2021, 09:13:47 PM
Wallace was a surprise.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on February 08, 2021, 12:37:36 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on February 06, 2021, 09:13:47 PM
Wallace was a surprise.

I wonder if Eugene Melnyk is taking credit for it.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on February 08, 2021, 03:19:36 PM
Everyone, please, voice your displeasure with Bell with your wallets. If you use them, switch providers. It's one of the best things we can do to show our displeasure as citizens and customers. Vote with your wallet.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bender on February 08, 2021, 03:32:44 PM
Quote from: Dappleganger on February 08, 2021, 03:19:36 PM
Everyone, please, voice your displeasure with Bell with your wallets. If you use them, switch providers. It's one of the best things we can do to show our displeasure as citizens and customers. Vote with your wallet.

Bell/Rogers basically have a duopoly... *shrug*
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 08, 2021, 04:02:02 PM
Quote from: Bender on February 08, 2021, 03:32:44 PM
Quote from: Dappleganger on February 08, 2021, 03:19:36 PM
Everyone, please, voice your displeasure with Bell with your wallets. If you use them, switch providers. It's one of the best things we can do to show our displeasure as citizens and customers. Vote with your wallet.

Bell/Rogers basically have a duopoly... *shrug*

Telus has a significant marketshare, too. It's a Triopoly.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on February 09, 2021, 01:31:40 PM
https://twitter.com/yyzsportsmedia/status/1359190606841483265

They basically had the plug pulled mid-broadcast.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 09, 2021, 01:35:21 PM
TSN 1290 in Winnipeg too.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on February 09, 2021, 01:58:39 PM
So it's really becoming the Toronto Sports Network, eh?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 09, 2021, 02:09:41 PM
https://twitter.com/friesensunmedia/status/1359197401060421638
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on February 09, 2021, 11:51:43 PM
https://twitter.com/emadagahi/status/1359292989357572107
Did Bell Media also fire their HR department or did they walk out? This is ill-conceived at its most charitable interpretation.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on February 10, 2021, 12:16:59 AM
I don't follow any of this but out of curiosity just checked the tsn website and there's this:

https://www.tsn.ca/radio

Just 4 stations listed: EDM, MTL, OTT, TOR.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Deebo on February 10, 2021, 12:54:32 AM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on February 10, 2021, 12:16:59 AM
I don't follow any of this but out of curiosity just checked the tsn website and there's this:

https://www.tsn.ca/radio

Just 4 stations listed: EDM, MTL, OTT, TOR.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210131013803/https://www.tsn.ca/radio

Here is a link to what it looked like on January 31st.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on February 10, 2021, 01:04:09 AM
Quote from: Deebo on February 10, 2021, 12:54:32 AM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on February 10, 2021, 12:16:59 AM
I don't follow any of this but out of curiosity just checked the tsn website and there's this:

https://www.tsn.ca/radio

Just 4 stations listed: EDM, MTL, OTT, TOR.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210131013803/https://www.tsn.ca/radio

Here is a link to what it looked like on January 31st.

Interesting, thanks.  So looks like VAN, WPG, and Hamilton got the axe.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 10, 2021, 09:33:59 AM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on February 10, 2021, 01:04:09 AM
Interesting, thanks.  So looks like VAN, WPG, and Hamilton got the axe.

I can understand why, if cost cutting was a real issue, Hamilton might get the axe. It's close enough to Toronto and doesn't have much in terms of their own professional teams. But Vancouver and Winnipeg? They have the same number of pro sports as Edmonton, Montreal, and Ottawa, and aren't close to any of the remaining stations. I get that radio is not a particularly profitable medium, but, I can't imagine Bell/TSN couldn't afford to take a small hit on them.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on February 10, 2021, 11:07:50 AM
https://theathletic.com/2378506/2021/02/09/bell-media-tsn-radio-cuts-vancouver-winnipeg-hamilton
QuoteEach of those stations -- Toronto, Montreal and Ottawa -- hold local radio broadcast rights to their respective NHL teams. The stations in Winnipeg and Vancouver did not hold the local NHL rights.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 10, 2021, 11:09:53 AM
Quote from: herman on February 10, 2021, 11:07:50 AM
https://theathletic.com/2378506/2021/02/09/bell-media-tsn-radio-cuts-vancouver-winnipeg-hamilton
QuoteEach of those stations -- Toronto, Montreal and Ottawa -- hold local radio broadcast rights to their respective NHL teams. The stations in Winnipeg and Vancouver did not hold the local NHL rights.

Ah, that explains it I guess. I was blown away Vancouver of all places would lose their station.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 10, 2021, 11:28:00 AM
Yeah. If they don't have the NHL rights, then they're definitely going to be more of a cash-suck.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on March 16, 2021, 08:09:35 PM
Earlier today someone asked when Gord Miller would podcast with a slew of hockey Twitter folks. And he said, cool but would say no thanks to any Barstool affiliated outlets.

https://twitter.com/gmillertsn/status/1371975267233755140
Thread of wonderful
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 16, 2021, 08:58:34 PM
I'm sure all the stoolies on twitter are reacting to that thread perfectly rationally and not at all proving Gord's point about what a garbage culture barstool creates in the sports world.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 17, 2021, 09:07:24 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 16, 2021, 08:58:34 PM
I'm sure all the stoolies on twitter are reacting to that thread perfectly rationally and not at all proving Gord's point about what a garbage culture barstool creates in the sports world.

https://twitter.com/GMillerTSN/status/1372156094605328386
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on March 17, 2021, 10:21:25 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 16, 2021, 08:58:34 PM
I'm sure all the stoolies on twitter are reacting to that thread perfectly rationally and not at all proving Gord's point about what a garbage culture barstool creates in the sports world.

QuotePortnoy: I know people say I should ignore guys like @GMillerTSN But I'll never be able to do that.  Barstool is 20 years of my life's work.  I'm proud of it.  I'm proud of our fans.  He attacked everything I'm about.   If you don't fight back against that what do you fight back against?

Things that Gord Miller 'attacked':
https://twitter.com/GMillerTSN/status/1371975267992936448
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 17, 2021, 10:30:42 AM
Yeah. BarStool is a cesspool. Some good talent, but overall, cesspool.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on March 17, 2021, 12:04:18 PM

The thing I'll never get is the fans who harass people on twitter for not liking barstool. Like even my favourite media outlet in the world is one I'm not going to scream at someone about if they don't like.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 17, 2021, 12:30:34 PM
Quote from: Nik on March 17, 2021, 12:04:18 PM
The thing I'll never get is the fans who harass people on twitter for not liking barstool. Like even my favourite media outlet in the world is one I'm not going to scream at someone about if they don't like.

It's hard not to draw parallels to the MAGA movement too, and I'm sure there's a fairly large overlap there with stoolies. You don't see people walking around with a Biden hat (or any of the Canadian leaders) when they go to the grocery store. To them it isn't just a media outlet (or political party). It's their entire culture/identity/lifestyle.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bender on March 17, 2021, 12:32:34 PM
Quote from: Nik on March 17, 2021, 12:04:18 PM

The thing I'll never get is the fans who harass people on twitter for not liking barstool. Like even my favourite media outlet in the world is one I'm not going to scream at someone about if they don't like.
It's so bizarre. I would rather be part of a media outlet doesn't scream at anyone, honestly.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on March 17, 2021, 03:51:57 PM
So was Auston Matthews wrong for appearing on a Barstool podcast in the summer time?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on March 17, 2021, 03:56:51 PM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on March 17, 2021, 03:51:57 PM
So was Auston Matthews wrong for appearing on a Barstool podcast in the summer time?

I don't know about "wrong" as I don't know how reasonable it is to expect Matthews to have that level of social awareness about any media outlet that wants an interview with him but if the Leafs advised him or other players to avoid them I think it'd be for the best.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 23, 2021, 11:34:26 PM
Interesting article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/23/sports/hockey/nhl-latino-audiences.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/23/sports/hockey/nhl-latino-audiences.html?)

Matthews is mentioned but only briefly.  Seems like he'd be the most obvious current candidate to promote as a person of interest to Latino (or at least Mexican) audiences.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Highlander on April 17, 2021, 12:27:36 PM
Anyone see Damian Cox's diatribe in the Star today?  Man he has some Leaf hate going on in that hairless cranium of his.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: L K on April 17, 2021, 01:35:35 PM
Quote from: Highlander on April 17, 2021, 12:27:36 PM
Anyone see Damian Cox's diatribe in the Star today?  Man he has some Leaf hate going on in that hairless cranium of his.

Nope I stopped reading him years ago.  The Al Strachan/Damien Cox/Steve Simmons/Howard Berger contingent of trying to make themselves a part of the story did it in for me.  I read the Athletic and some of the blog stuff posted on here but I haven't touched a newspaper article on the Leafs in a long time. 
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Deebo on May 17, 2021, 01:21:12 PM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1394321819939835907
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Deebo on May 23, 2021, 05:39:04 PM
You know what I haven't missed?

Coach's Corner
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on May 23, 2021, 07:04:43 PM
Quote from: Deebo on May 23, 2021, 05:39:04 PM
You know what I haven't missed?

Coach's Corner
I liked Don every so often. Not a fan so much of Sportsnet. Like Bieksa, but like the TSN crew better. One thing Im happy about...no Jim Hughson...now if we can get rid of Simpson all will be good.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: L K on June 02, 2021, 06:22:43 PM
Why is a Steve Simmons still granted a press pass.  I honestly can't think of a guy who goes out of his way to be more of an jerk.  He violated Auston Matthews medical privacy.  He needs a swift kick in the nuts
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on June 02, 2021, 06:36:18 PM
Quote from: L K on June 02, 2021, 06:22:43 PM
Why is a Steve Simmons still granted a press pass.  I honestly can't think of a guy who goes out of his way to be more of an jerk.  He violated Auston Matthews medical privacy.  He needs a swift kick in the nuts
Asking Matthews about the salary cap and how it gets split up was ridiculous.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: L K on June 02, 2021, 07:06:58 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on June 02, 2021, 06:36:18 PM
Quote from: L K on June 02, 2021, 06:22:43 PM
Why is a Steve Simmons still granted a press pass.  I honestly can't think of a guy who goes out of his way to be more of an jerk.  He violated Auston Matthews medical privacy.  He needs a swift kick in the nuts
Asking Matthews about the salary cap and how it gets split up was ridiculous.

It was certainly.  His question directed at Shanahan that really rubbed me the wrong way.  Not so much the initial question but just the attitude.  He's not a reporter he's a tabloid junky
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on June 02, 2021, 07:09:02 PM
Quote from: L K on June 02, 2021, 07:06:58 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on June 02, 2021, 06:36:18 PM
Quote from: L K on June 02, 2021, 06:22:43 PM
Why is a Steve Simmons still granted a press pass.  I honestly can't think of a guy who goes out of his way to be more of an jerk.  He violated Auston Matthews medical privacy.  He needs a swift kick in the nuts
Asking Matthews about the salary cap and how it gets split up was ridiculous.

It was certainly.  His question directed at Shanahan that really rubbed me the wrong way.  Not so much the initial question but just the attitude.  He's not a reporter he's a tabloid junky
Totally agree with you. Well Brendan there's never been a cup winner who's lost in 5 first rounds. He's looking for a punch in the mouth lol.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: azzurri63 on June 02, 2021, 08:40:25 PM
Shanahan and Dubas. Wow is all I can say about these two. Same sob story, excuses and pipe dreams after every demoralizing 1st round exit. F me show these 2 the door.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 02, 2021, 11:35:22 PM
Quote from: azzurri63 on June 02, 2021, 08:40:25 PM
Shanahan and Dubas. Wow is all I can say about these two. Same sob story, excuses and pipe dreams after every demoralizing 1st round exit. F me show these 2 the door.

Just read the transcripts of their comments.  I wasn't satisfied either.  Just a bunch of generalizing and defending the process and — now we are hearing this kind of line — "there are plenty of guys who didn't win until their X year in the league and this bunch is special and they care so much that we can't give up on them."  What palaver, though I get that they can't really just completely trash people by name in a post-mortem presser. 

But what they could do is at least reference areas of the team that underperformed (not one mention of the PP??), rather than just prattle on about how disappointed in themselves they are.  (The questions, especially to Dubas, were mostly softballs....)
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: azzurri63 on June 03, 2021, 01:06:09 AM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 02, 2021, 11:35:22 PM
Quote from: azzurri63 on June 02, 2021, 08:40:25 PM
Shanahan and Dubas. Wow is all I can say about these two. Same sob story, excuses and pipe dreams after every demoralizing 1st round exit. F me show these 2 the door.

Just read the transcripts of their comments.  I wasn't satisfied either.  Just a bunch of generalizing and defending the process and — now we are hearing this kind of line — "there are plenty of guys who didn't win until their X year in the league and this bunch is special and they care so much that we can't give up on them."  What palaver, though I get that they can't really just completely trash people by name in a post-mortem presser. 

But what they could do is at least reference areas of the team that underperformed (not one mention of the PP??), rather than just prattle on about how disappointed in themselves they are.  (The questions, especially to Dubas, were mostly softballs....)

Why it irks me is it's the same crap we here from them for the last few years. Comes a time when you have to maybe consider that the core is not what you think they are and make some changes. Like I said if they all played hard, contributed somewhat and we lost in a good series then yes keep going with what we have. But when your stars are underperforming to a large extent come playoffs then something is missing.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on June 03, 2021, 08:42:27 AM
What do you expect them to say? Like seriously. They say the same stuff every other team says. Not good enough, like our core. You're expecting something that is never going to happen. They all said it's not good enough but you're disappointed they didn't mention names in public? Yup that Marner kid needs to get it going. That's it we're trading a core piece.
Just because some think they need to trade one of the 4, doesn't mean it's the right move and if they plan on doing it, they're not mentioning it at the end of season presser. We'll see what happens over the summer.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: L K on June 03, 2021, 08:52:17 AM
I will say, I think Marner needs to figure out a way not to get his back up.  Marner doesn't seem to do well when the media pressures him and he feels attacked because he says some really dumb things like "There's nothing I need to work on".  But at this point right now I think people are just looking for blood and you are either doing a stupid organziation approach if your management throws guys under the bus or people are going to be upset that they didn't do it.  There is no winning there.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on June 03, 2021, 10:05:59 AM
Quote from: L K on June 03, 2021, 08:52:17 AM
I will say, I think Marner needs to figure out a way not to get his back up.  Marner doesn't seem to do well when the media pressures him and he feels attacked because he says some really dumb things like "There's nothing I need to work on".  But at this point right now I think people are just looking for blood and you are either doing a stupid organziation approach if your management throws guys under the bus or people are going to be upset that they didn't do it.  There is no winning there.
Marner doesn't know how to handle the media yet. He may never. Rielly is a pro at it as it JT. I think Marner's issue is between the ears. He lets it get to him and it makes him think too much instead of just playing.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on June 03, 2021, 10:27:34 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on June 03, 2021, 08:42:27 AM
What do you expect them to say? Like seriously. They say the same stuff every other team says. Not good enough, like our core. You're expecting something that is never going to happen. They all said it's not good enough but you're disappointed they didn't mention names in public? Yup that Marner kid needs to get it going. That's it we're trading a core piece.
Just because some think they need to trade one of the 4, doesn't mean it's the right move and if they plan on doing it, they're not mentioning it at the end of season presser. We'll see what happens over the summer.

Pretty much this.

It's only been like 3 days since the loss, and body of the season is barely cold on the slab, they haven't had exit interviews with the players and staff, and Shanahan/Dubas haven't met with the ownership board, so there was literally nothing else they could/should have said without going rogue putting out something emotionally regretful.

I'm sure they individually had thoughts and ideas of what to do, but why say anything until there was a thorough analysis/autopsy and identification of root causes and proposed strategic adjustments?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on June 03, 2021, 10:43:06 AM

I don't believe for a second that there's anything any of these guys could say to make anyone feel any better about the loss and a lot of what the  voices here are clamoring for is for things to be settled in the media rather than internally and professionally which just isn't going to happen.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on June 03, 2021, 12:19:51 PM
Quote from: Nik on June 03, 2021, 10:43:06 AM

I don't believe for a second that there's anything any of these guys could say to make anyone feel any better about the loss and a lot of what the  voices here are clamoring for is for things to be settled in the media rather than internally and professionally which just isn't going to happen.
Ding ding ding...winner
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 03, 2021, 03:11:25 PM
Quote from: herman on June 03, 2021, 10:27:34 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on June 03, 2021, 08:42:27 AM
What do you expect them to say? Like seriously. They say the same stuff every other team says. Not good enough, like our core. You're expecting something that is never going to happen. They all said it's not good enough but you're disappointed they didn't mention names in public? Yup that Marner kid needs to get it going. That's it we're trading a core piece.
Just because some think they need to trade one of the 4, doesn't mean it's the right move and if they plan on doing it, they're not mentioning it at the end of season presser. We'll see what happens over the summer.

Pretty much this.

It's only been like 3 days since the loss, and body of the season is barely cold on the slab, they haven't had exit interviews with the players and staff, and Shanahan/Dubas haven't met with the ownership board, so there was literally nothing else they could/should have said without going rogue putting out something emotionally regretful.

I'm sure they individually had thoughts and ideas of what to do, but why say anything until there was a thorough analysis/autopsy and identification of root causes and proposed strategic adjustments?

Well, yeah: so why hold a presser yesterday if the only thing they are going to be able or willing to dispense is platitudes?  Why not wait until they have done their autopsy? 
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: bustaheims on June 03, 2021, 03:15:59 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 03, 2021, 03:11:25 PM
Well, yeah: so why hold a presser yesterday if the only thing they are going to be able or willing to dispense is platitudes?  Why not wait until they have done their autopsy?

Because, that's how the business works.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 03, 2021, 03:16:40 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on June 03, 2021, 03:15:59 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 03, 2021, 03:11:25 PM
Well, yeah: so why hold a presser yesterday if the only thing they are going to be able or willing to dispense is platitudes?  Why not wait until they have done their autopsy?

Because, that's how the business works.

Uh, that's not an answer.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: bustaheims on June 03, 2021, 03:32:02 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 03, 2021, 03:16:40 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on June 03, 2021, 03:15:59 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 03, 2021, 03:11:25 PM
Well, yeah: so why hold a presser yesterday if the only thing they are going to be able or willing to dispense is platitudes?  Why not wait until they have done their autopsy?

Because, that's how the business works.

Uh, that's not an answer.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not an answer. It's how the business works. Yesterday was locker clean out/exit interview day. That's when end of season pressers are held. It's really that simple.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: mr grieves on June 03, 2021, 03:36:49 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on June 02, 2021, 06:36:18 PM
Quote from: L K on June 02, 2021, 06:22:43 PM
Why is a Steve Simmons still granted a press pass.  I honestly can't think of a guy who goes out of his way to be more of an jerk.  He violated Auston Matthews medical privacy.  He needs a swift kick in the nuts
Asking Matthews about the salary cap and how it gets split up was ridiculous.

Agreed.

And Matthews's response, that it's not his job to think about that stuff, was a very good answer! That is the GM's job.

From the end of season presser:

Quote
What continues to give you faith and confidence that spending so much on four forwards can work, especially now that we are living in a flat-cap world?

Dubas: It hasn't happened all at once yet. I understand, as we sit here today, why there is scrutiny around that. I understand why there is scrutiny around it at large. Pittsburgh, when they won in 2009, had a similar percentage to their top four players, but they weren't all forwards. I understand the question marks around it here.

I just really believe in all four of them as people. [...]

It doesn't inspire much confidence that Dubas's only example of this management strategy resulting in a Stanley Cup winner comes from over a decade ago, but I don't think he's even right about that team.

The 2008-9 Penguins were built under a $56.7M cap. Crosby was earning $8.7M (15%), Gonchar $5M (9%), Fleury $5M (9%), and Malkin was still on the last year of an ELC which, with bonuses, was $3.834M (7%).

So, there's neither an example of a Cup winner putting 50% of their cap into four forwards nor even of one putting 50% of their cap into any four players.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 03, 2021, 04:52:02 PM
Not Leaf or even hockey related, but uhhh...

https://twitter.com/Michael_Traikos/status/1400553196855115779
https://twitter.com/Michael_Traikos/status/1400554377388118020
https://twitter.com/Michael_Traikos/status/1400554211956473857
https://twitter.com/Michael_Traikos/status/1400554523303854087
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 03, 2021, 04:57:01 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on June 03, 2021, 03:32:02 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 03, 2021, 03:16:40 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on June 03, 2021, 03:15:59 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 03, 2021, 03:11:25 PM
Well, yeah: so why hold a presser yesterday if the only thing they are going to be able or willing to dispense is platitudes?  Why not wait until they have done their autopsy?

Because, that's how the business works.

Uh, that's not an answer.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not an answer. It's how the business works. Yesterday was locker clean out/exit interview day. That's when end of season pressers are held. It's really that simple.

Steve Jobs.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on June 03, 2021, 05:02:35 PM

If hockey teams only held press interactions when they had something really meaningful or insightful to say they'd be cancelling 99% of all media interactions.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on June 03, 2021, 06:33:17 PM
Quote from: Nik on June 03, 2021, 05:02:35 PM

If hockey teams only held press interactions when they had something really meaningful or insightful to say they'd be cancelling 99% of all media interactions.
Haha that is so true.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Deebo on June 03, 2021, 10:26:16 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 03, 2021, 04:52:02 PM
Not Leaf or even hockey related, but uhhh...

That's as dumb as that guy who doesn't understand why people wash their hands after they use bathroom.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: bustaheims on June 04, 2021, 10:27:11 AM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 03, 2021, 04:57:01 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on June 03, 2021, 03:32:02 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 03, 2021, 03:16:40 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on June 03, 2021, 03:15:59 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 03, 2021, 03:11:25 PM
Well, yeah: so why hold a presser yesterday if the only thing they are going to be able or willing to dispense is platitudes?  Why not wait until they have done their autopsy?

Because, that's how the business works.

Uh, that's not an answer.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not an answer. It's how the business works. Yesterday was locker clean out/exit interview day. That's when end of season pressers are held. It's really that simple.

Steve Jobs.

Has what exactly to do with how a sports franchise manages the PR side of their business? It's not like the Leafs are announcing new products.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 04, 2021, 11:00:44 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on June 04, 2021, 10:27:11 AM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 03, 2021, 04:57:01 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on June 03, 2021, 03:32:02 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 03, 2021, 03:16:40 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on June 03, 2021, 03:15:59 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 03, 2021, 03:11:25 PM
Well, yeah: so why hold a presser yesterday if the only thing they are going to be able or willing to dispense is platitudes?  Why not wait until they have done their autopsy?

Because, that's how the business works.

Uh, that's not an answer.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not an answer. It's how the business works. Yesterday was locker clean out/exit interview day. That's when end of season pressers are held. It's really that simple.

Steve Jobs.

Has what exactly to do with how a sports franchise manages the PR side of their business? It's not like the Leafs are announcing new products.

Not locked into the idea that "this is how our business is done and we can never ever change."
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on June 04, 2021, 11:11:49 AM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 04, 2021, 11:00:44 AM
Not locked into the idea that "this is how our business is done and we can never ever change."

What aspect of the business would you like to see changed? Teams should block media access if they don't think anyone's going to say anything interesting?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on June 04, 2021, 11:38:15 AM


Quote from: Nik on June 04, 2021, 11:11:49 AM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 04, 2021, 11:00:44 AM
Not locked into the idea that "this is how our business is done and we can never ever change."

What aspect of the business would you like to see changed? Teams should block media access if they don't think anyone's going to say anything interesting?

I personally would like to see the team publicly devalue many of their players, and also to lay out all of their future plans for us as well as for their competitors. Is that too much to ask?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on June 04, 2021, 11:40:31 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on June 04, 2021, 11:38:15 AM


Quote from: Nik on June 04, 2021, 11:11:49 AM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 04, 2021, 11:00:44 AM
Not locked into the idea that "this is how our business is done and we can never ever change."

What aspect of the business would you like to see changed? Teams should block media access if they don't think anyone's going to say anything interesting?

I personally would like to see the team publicly devalue many of their players, and also to lay out all of their future plans for us as well as for their competitors. Is that too much to ask?

I would also like their players (particularly star players) to publicly air any season-long grievances that have been percolating in the dressing room, be it against the team's front office, or other players in the room. 
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on June 04, 2021, 12:06:24 PM
Quote from: herman on June 04, 2021, 11:40:31 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on June 04, 2021, 11:38:15 AM


Quote from: Nik on June 04, 2021, 11:11:49 AM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 04, 2021, 11:00:44 AM
Not locked into the idea that "this is how our business is done and we can never ever change."

What aspect of the business would you like to see changed? Teams should block media access if they don't think anyone's going to say anything interesting?

I personally would like to see the team publicly devalue many of their players, and also to lay out all of their future plans for us as well as for their competitors. Is that too much to ask?

I would also like their players (particularly star players) to publicly air any season-long grievances that have been percolating in the dressing room, be it against the team's front office, or other players in the room.
Yes, please that too. Transcripts of internal emails and text messages would be helpful.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on June 04, 2021, 12:08:14 PM
Quote from: herman on June 04, 2021, 11:40:31 AM
I would also like their players (particularly star players) to publicly air any season-long grievances that have been percolating in the dressing room, be it against the team's front office, or other players in the room.

Seriously, why DOES Nylander clip his toenails in the dressing room? It's gross.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 04, 2021, 01:13:08 PM
Quote from: Nik on June 04, 2021, 11:11:49 AM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 04, 2021, 11:00:44 AM
Not locked into the idea that "this is how our business is done and we can never ever change."

What aspect of the business would you like to see changed? Teams should block media access if they don't think anyone's going to say anything interesting?

The idea that Leafs brass can't be in the least self-critical other than in an anodyne, almost self-serving way.  You all can go back to my original post to suss out what that *doesn't* mean, the point of which all your fun comments completely miss.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on June 04, 2021, 01:20:00 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 04, 2021, 01:13:08 PM
The idea that Leafs brass can't be in the least self-critical other than in an anodyne, almost self-serving way.

I don't think anyone is saying they can't. I think you'd have to make a pretty compelling case as to why they'd want to. Regardless of whether it's for team cohesiveness or just self-interest nobody is going to announce "I did a bad job" to the media.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Arn on June 04, 2021, 04:19:05 PM
I was actually talking about this earlier with some friends (in relation to the Naomi Osaka quitting the French Open cos she refused to give media interviews thing).

I used to do media for my local team. I was I guess a bit like Paul Hendrick in that I was inside the organisation so I wasn't meant to be "critical" as much as it could be avoided.

I used to do all the post game locker room interviews and all that was about was being the first media out. It's all about that edge now with social media and driving people to our content.

As much as I tried to make it about good questions and content the better media trained players just fired out soundbytes and rarely did we get any actual good content in these interviews. Where we did get good stuff was when we had proper long form conversations with guys .

The whole media industry now is about getting one quote, turning it into a 400 word article and getting your clicks, not about actual quality content.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 04, 2021, 05:26:08 PM
Quote from: Arn on June 04, 2021, 04:19:05 PM
I was actually talking about this earlier with some friends (in relation to the Naomi Osaka quitting the French Open cos she refused to give media interviews thing).

I used to do media for my local team. I was I guess a bit like Paul Hendrick in that I was inside the organisation so I wasn't meant to be "critical" as much as it could be avoided.

I used to do all the post game locker room interviews and all that was about was being the first media out. It's all about that edge now with social media and driving people to our content.

As much as I tried to make it about good questions and content the better media trained players just fired out soundbytes and rarely did we get any actual good content in these interviews. Where we did get good stuff was when we had proper long form conversations with guys .

The whole media industry now is about getting one quote, turning it into a 400 word article and getting your clicks, not about actual quality content.

Good points Arn.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on June 04, 2021, 06:02:07 PM
Quote from: Arn on June 04, 2021, 04:19:05 PM
I was actually talking about this earlier with some friends (in relation to the Naomi Osaka quitting the French Open cos she refused to give media interviews thing).

I used to do media for my local team. I was I guess a bit like Paul Hendrick in that I was inside the organisation so I wasn't meant to be "critical" as much as it could be avoided.

I used to do all the post game locker room interviews and all that was about was being the first media out. It's all about that edge now with social media and driving people to our content.

As much as I tried to make it about good questions and content the better media trained players just fired out soundbytes and rarely did we get any actual good content in these interviews. Where we did get good stuff was when we had proper long form conversations with guys .

The whole media industry now is about getting one quote, turning it into a 400 word article and getting your clicks, not about actual quality content.

Sports and media have always existed in a delicate balance. For years the assumption was you provided access to journalists because the trade-off, the sports pages being filled with stuff about your team, was a positive for you as a tool of promotion. While that's still probably true around the world in some places, big North American sports teams are re-examining that relationship considering the decline of traditional avenues of media consumption. Especially when so many teams have ownership stakes, or at least business relations, with large media outlets that actually broadcast the games.

As you say, the Osaka thing brought two competing viewpoints to the fore. One, that the media presence is often more confrontational than helpful to athletes and two, that athletes(and teams) now are so interested in controlling the message that they actively resist independent media in favour of their own sanitized product.

I think there's a measure of truth to both ends of that and while we can debate whether those traditional media outlets and their traditional methods of player interactions(press conferences) yield anything in useful interactions for fans there's not much you can say if teams feel that those relationships are no longer in their interests. After all, it's not like movie studios let reporters on set and have their actors field questions after a bad take.

I remember Chuck Klosterman, writing about Steve Nash, made the point that for athletes, there's no upside to saying anything interesting to a reporter. If you say something perceived as negative you're "controversial" and there are dozens of things written about you and what you said and how it means and it becomes a big headache. Say something interesting but not controversial and the same reporters probably want another 15 minutes of your time tomorrow.

Again, I'm pretty agnostic on whether Teams wanting total control of their media message is a good or bad thing but it is a reality. And fans should probably know going forward that we're not likely to see off-the-cuff locker room talk at any point in the near future.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Deebo on September 21, 2021, 03:43:05 PM
https://twitter.com/SportsnetPR/status/1440360287375220746
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on September 21, 2021, 04:58:12 PM
Lots of people here dislike Hughson (strongly) but I thought he was OK.  His sidekick?  Not so much.

Good time to get some diversity up in the booth.  Someone mentioned this Singh fellow.  I've only seen him a couple of times on broadcasts, briefly.  Is he good?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bender on September 21, 2021, 11:36:27 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on September 21, 2021, 04:58:12 PM
Lots of people here dislike Hughson (strongly) but I thought he was OK.  His sidekick?  Not so much.

Good time to get some diversity up in the booth.  Someone mentioned this Singh fellow.  I've only seen him a couple of times on broadcasts, briefly.  Is he good?
Anyone who uses Smeagol as a verb should be fired into the Sun.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: bustaheims on September 22, 2021, 08:30:05 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/hLcEkSh.jpeg)
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on September 22, 2021, 08:49:36 AM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on September 21, 2021, 04:58:12 PM
Good time to get some diversity up in the booth.  Someone mentioned this Singh fellow.  I've only seen him a couple of times on broadcasts, briefly.  Is he good?

I've thought he was very good in the few games I've heard.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: L K on September 22, 2021, 05:10:54 PM
Quote from: Nik on September 22, 2021, 08:49:36 AM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on September 21, 2021, 04:58:12 PM
Good time to get some diversity up in the booth.  Someone mentioned this Singh fellow.  I've only seen him a couple of times on broadcasts, briefly.  Is he good?

I've thought he was very good in the few games I've heard.

He's still raw I think as a National commentator but I like his energy.  Hughson just seemed disinterested in calling games if the Canucks weren't part of the game.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on September 24, 2021, 10:04:54 AM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1441388751310098439
Let's gooooooooo!
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: L K on September 24, 2021, 10:23:13 AM
I'm not the biggest fan of Steve Dangle but he certainly has done a solid job of turning yelling into pretty involved hockey career.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on September 24, 2021, 10:43:45 AM
Quote from: L K on September 24, 2021, 10:23:13 AM
I'm not the biggest fan of Steve Dangle but he certainly has done a solid job of turning yelling into pretty involved hockey career.

I kind of only listened to the semi-annual CJ guest pod, but now...
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on September 24, 2021, 11:12:41 AM
I hope CJ will still do The Leaf Report podcasts on occasion.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 28, 2021, 12:54:43 PM
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1442889369220796418

I've grumbled about the role/value of "insiders" but this is a pretty big get for TSN regardless. Especially with McKenzie retiring. Wonder how his departure from Sportsnet went down.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on September 28, 2021, 01:08:14 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on September 28, 2021, 12:54:43 PM
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1442889369220796418

I've grumbled about the role/value of "insiders" but this is a pretty big get for TSN regardless. Especially with McKenzie retiring. Wonder how his departure from Sportsnet went down.

I'd be curious. I'm not sure why he couldn't write for the Toronto Star, which seemed like something he wanted to do, and also continue on Hockey Night in Canada.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on September 28, 2021, 01:28:07 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on September 28, 2021, 12:54:43 PM
I've grumbled about the role/value of "insiders" but this is a pretty big get for TSN regardless. Especially with McKenzie retiring. Wonder how his departure from Sportsnet went down.

At the very least it doesn't make sense to have Friedman and Johnston at the same place. Whatever the value of the "insider", having two was just pointless.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Deebo on September 28, 2021, 01:29:34 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on September 28, 2021, 12:54:43 PM
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1442889369220796418

I've grumbled about the role/value of "insiders" but this is a pretty big get for TSN regardless. Especially with McKenzie retiring. Wonder how his departure from Sportsnet went down.

He talks a little bit about it on the Steve Dangle podcast where they announced CJ's new show, he said he never felt like he "belonged" at HNIC.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on September 28, 2021, 01:59:22 PM
Quote from: Dappleganger on September 28, 2021, 01:08:14 PM
I'd be curious. I'm not sure why he couldn't write for the Toronto Star, which seemed like something he wanted to do, and also continue on Hockey Night in Canada.

His actual employer is NordStar (https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/nordstar-s-new-gaming-company-hires-veteran-reporter-chris-johnston-898128287.html). NordStar acquired (https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/nordstar-completes-acquisition-of-torstar-893486219.html) TorStar, the holding company that owns/operates the Toronto Star (among other periodicals), so that's why he's in the sports 'newsroom' there. I suppose there's something in the Sportsnet contract that prevented him from branching out as widely as he is now (CJ Show on sdpn, Insider on TSN); I don't see any other Sportsnet personality in other outlets, whereas a number of TSN personalities are non-exclusive (Ferraro, Miller, LeBrun, Johnson, etc.).
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Deebo on October 01, 2021, 11:28:36 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on September 28, 2021, 12:54:43 PM
Wonder how his departure from Sportsnet went down.

I haven't heard it yet, but I hear CJ goes into some detail on yesterday's podcast.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on October 01, 2021, 11:31:41 AM
Quote from: Deebo on October 01, 2021, 11:28:36 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on September 28, 2021, 12:54:43 PM
Wonder how his departure from Sportsnet went down.

I haven't heard it yet, but I hear CJ goes into some detail on yesterday's podcast.

Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6dy8odWXnY
And it's pretty much what I expected
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 01, 2021, 11:47:16 AM
Quote from: herman on October 01, 2021, 11:31:41 AM
Quote from: Deebo on October 01, 2021, 11:28:36 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on September 28, 2021, 12:54:43 PM
Wonder how his departure from Sportsnet went down.

I haven't heard it yet, but I hear CJ goes into some detail on yesterday's podcast.

Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6dy8odWXnY
And it's pretty much what I expected

TLDW version plz
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on October 01, 2021, 11:53:59 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on October 01, 2021, 11:47:16 AM
Quote from: herman on October 01, 2021, 11:31:41 AM
Quote from: Deebo on October 01, 2021, 11:28:36 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on September 28, 2021, 12:54:43 PM
Wonder how his departure from Sportsnet went down.

I haven't heard it yet, but I hear CJ goes into some detail on yesterday's podcast.

Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6dy8odWXnY
And it's pretty much what I expected

TLDW version plz

Quote from: herman on September 28, 2021, 01:59:22 PM
His actual employer is NordStar (https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/nordstar-s-new-gaming-company-hires-veteran-reporter-chris-johnston-898128287.html). NordStar acquired (https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/nordstar-completes-acquisition-of-torstar-893486219.html) TorStar, the holding company that owns/operates the Toronto Star (among other periodicals), so that's why he's in the sports 'newsroom' there. I suppose there's something in the Sportsnet contract that prevented him from branching out as widely as he is now (CJ Show on sdpn, Insider on TSN); I don't see any other Sportsnet personality in other outlets, whereas a number of TSN personalities are non-exclusive (Ferraro, Miller, LeBrun, Johnson, etc.).

Basically confirmed. He was just on contract with Sportsnet, but while it wasn't a full salaried/benefits agreement, they're still exclusive (writing, tv); Chris took an offer for his writing with NordStar. Sportsnet then basically ghosted him so TSN picked up the on the opening and offersheeted him. CJ wanted the flexibility to branch out and try stuff: write, pod, tv, maybe more. TSN and NordStar were open to non-exclusive across media streams.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Deebo on October 01, 2021, 11:54:40 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on October 01, 2021, 11:47:16 AM
Quote from: herman on October 01, 2021, 11:31:41 AM
Quote from: Deebo on October 01, 2021, 11:28:36 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on September 28, 2021, 12:54:43 PM
Wonder how his departure from Sportsnet went down.

I haven't heard it yet, but I hear CJ goes into some detail on yesterday's podcast.

Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6dy8odWXnY
And it's pretty much what I expected

TLDW version plz

Sportsnet wouldn't let him do other things like the pod if he stayed with them.

He signed to write for the Star and then told SN he was stilling willing to do TV for them. He never heard back and TSN popped up with the offer.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 01, 2021, 11:57:55 AM
Makes sense, thanks guys.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on October 01, 2021, 11:59:14 AM

It definitely seems like Sportsnet is bleeding so much on the NHL deal they're afraid to try and extend coverage of it to podcasts or other avenues. For years I would watch/listen to hours of their stuff a week, now it's just games.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on October 01, 2021, 12:02:24 PM
Quote from: Nik on October 01, 2021, 11:59:14 AM

It definitely seems like Sportsnet is bleeding so much on the NHL deal they're afraid to try and extend coverage of it to podcasts or other avenues. For years I would watch/listen to hours of their stuff a week, now it's just games.

SportsNet has Elliotte's 32 Thoughts pod, and CJ might have been a significant overlap. But the format sort of lends itself to sustainable overlap.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on October 01, 2021, 12:16:18 PM
Quote from: herman on October 01, 2021, 12:02:24 PM
Quote from: Nik on October 01, 2021, 11:59:14 AM

It definitely seems like Sportsnet is bleeding so much on the NHL deal they're afraid to try and extend coverage of it to podcasts or other avenues. For years I would watch/listen to hours of their stuff a week, now it's just games.

SportsNet has Elliotte's 32 Thoughts pod, and CJ might have been a significant overlap. But the format sort of lends itself to sustainable overlap.

That started at CBC though, didn't it? So they seem reluctant to take on just about any new venture. Add in all the cuts to local radio they've been making and the layoffs and sportsnet doesn't seem to be in a good place these days.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on October 01, 2021, 12:35:28 PM
Quote from: herman on September 28, 2021, 01:59:22 PM
Quote from: Dappleganger on September 28, 2021, 01:08:14 PM
I'd be curious. I'm not sure why he couldn't write for the Toronto Star, which seemed like something he wanted to do, and also continue on Hockey Night in Canada.

His actual employer is NordStar (https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/nordstar-s-new-gaming-company-hires-veteran-reporter-chris-johnston-898128287.html). NordStar acquired (https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/nordstar-completes-acquisition-of-torstar-893486219.html) TorStar, the holding company that owns/operates the Toronto Star (among other periodicals), so that's why he's in the sports 'newsroom' there. I suppose there's something in the Sportsnet contract that prevented him from branching out as widely as he is now (CJ Show on sdpn, Insider on TSN); I don't see any other Sportsnet personality in other outlets, whereas a number of TSN personalities are non-exclusive (Ferraro, Miller, LeBrun, Johnson, etc.).

Richard Deitsch wrote for the Athletic and had his own podcast in addition to his hosting duties on Writers Bloc (before this week anyway).
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on October 01, 2021, 12:42:27 PM
Quote from: Nik on October 01, 2021, 12:16:18 PM
Quote from: herman on October 01, 2021, 12:02:24 PM
Quote from: Nik on October 01, 2021, 11:59:14 AM

It definitely seems like Sportsnet is bleeding so much on the NHL deal they're afraid to try and extend coverage of it to podcasts or other avenues. For years I would watch/listen to hours of their stuff a week, now it's just games.

SportsNet has Elliotte's 32 Thoughts pod, and CJ might have been a significant overlap. But the format sort of lends itself to sustainable overlap.

That started at CBC though, didn't it? So they seem reluctant to take on just about any new venture. Add in all the cuts to local radio they've been making and the layoffs and sportsnet doesn't seem to be in a good place these days.

Hmm, you're probably right. There's still an audio credit to the CBC, so it wouldn't surprise me if they were just outsourcing production/licensing, or however these gigs are handled. Sportsnet slashing their local radio stations to spend again on Kypreos though (and centralizing opinions from evil-Toronto) is an own-goal.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on October 14, 2021, 09:53:14 AM
https://twitter.com/jeffmarek/status/1448642364181032960
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Joe on October 20, 2021, 09:53:37 AM
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/toronto-maple-leafs-attendance-scotiabank-arena-sold-out-game-season-010920825.html

So the leafs drawing at 96% capacity during an ongoing pandemic deserves an entire article but Ottawa drawing under 9k is no big deal.

In all honesty, I personally wouldn't be attending any live events, and I'm sure there are a lot more like me. But drawing at 96%? I would assume this would be too 5 in the league.

Edit: top 10 I just looked it up:

https://www.espn.com/nhl/attendance/_/sort/homePct
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on October 20, 2021, 11:13:55 AM
Quote from: Joe S. on October 20, 2021, 09:53:37 AM
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/toronto-maple-leafs-attendance-scotiabank-arena-sold-out-game-season-010920825.html

So the leafs drawing at 96% capacity during an ongoing pandemic deserves an entire article but Ottawa drawing under 9k is no big deal.

In all honesty, I personally wouldn't be attending any live events, and I'm sure there are a lot more like me. But drawing at 96%? I would assume this would be too 5 in the league.

Edit: top 10 I just looked it up:

https://www.espn.com/nhl/attendance/_/sort/homePct

I mean, kinda? The Leafs not selling out does feel like news while the Senators being a clown show is pretty old hat at this point.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Joe on October 20, 2021, 11:33:40 AM
I guess. Just sounding the alarm at 96% capacity during a pandemic seems a little silly to me.

Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on October 20, 2021, 11:58:30 AM

But even that feels interesting if the pandemic is the reason that the Leafs aren't selling tickets they normally would.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Joe on October 20, 2021, 12:35:53 PM
I can only speak for myself but I would not go to any sporting event or concert right now.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on October 20, 2021, 12:42:34 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on October 20, 2021, 12:35:53 PM
I can only speak for myself but I would not go to any sporting event or concert right now.

I feel the same way so it seems interesting that in the context of a market where it's often said that the Leafs could sell 10 or even 20 thousand more tickets a night if they had capacity that so many people are turned off from going to events that it's leading to empty seats.

Assuming, of course, that it is the Pandemic causing it and not the sense I get that the fanbase is at a pretty low point right now.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Rob on October 20, 2021, 01:12:42 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on October 20, 2021, 12:35:53 PM
I can only speak for myself but I would not go to any sporting event or concert right now.

My wife received an email from the Leafs on Saturday morning saying there were still tickets available for the game.  We looked at each other briefly and said "nah". 
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bender on October 20, 2021, 01:30:58 PM
Quote from: Nik on October 20, 2021, 12:42:34 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on October 20, 2021, 12:35:53 PM
I can only speak for myself but I would not go to any sporting event or concert right now.

I feel the same way so it seems interesting that in the context of a market where it's often said that the Leafs could sell 10 or even 20 thousand more tickets a night if they had capacity that so many people are turned off from going to events that it's leading to empty seats.

Assuming, of course, that it is the Pandemic causing it and not the sense I get that the fanbase is at a pretty low point right now.

I think it's a combination. Low point, pandemic & cost. It's not a great trifecta.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Joe on October 20, 2021, 01:45:03 PM
Quote from: Rob on October 20, 2021, 01:12:42 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on October 20, 2021, 12:35:53 PM
I can only speak for myself but I would not go to any sporting event or concert right now.

My wife received an email from the Leafs on Saturday morning saying there were still tickets available for the game.  We looked at each other briefly and said "nah".

The article does hit home on one particular item - the ticket prices are insane. Lowest ticket is $130? That's nuts.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Deebo on October 20, 2021, 02:06:38 PM
I went to opening night for ~150 a ticket.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Joe on October 20, 2021, 03:52:51 PM
Quote from: Deebo on October 20, 2021, 02:06:38 PM
I went to opening night for ~150 a ticket.

Imagine being a family of 4.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on October 22, 2021, 09:00:45 AM
https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1451527766894022665
This is a pretty weird time to finish a contract for a hockey beat
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 22, 2021, 10:30:59 AM
Damn, now we're just down to 8 reporters posting lines at Toronto's practices.

But actually a beat reporters job can be kinda boring/repetitive but I think she did a good job injecting some life into the role.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 25, 2021, 05:05:04 PM
https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1452733821485518849

Figured she had something else lined up. Nice little promotion for her it seems.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bender on October 25, 2021, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on October 25, 2021, 05:05:04 PM
https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1452733821485518849

Figured she had something else lined up. Nice little promotion for her it seems.
Good for her. She seemed likeable and covered the team well.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on November 28, 2021, 02:18:36 PM
https://twitter.com/nosalaryretaind/status/1464972905645842438
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: lamajama on November 28, 2021, 09:23:30 PM
Oh oh...lol
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bender on November 29, 2021, 01:07:51 AM
Quote from: herman on November 28, 2021, 02:18:36 PM
https://twitter.com/nosalaryretaind/status/1464972905645842438
First, ew.

Second... He sent this tweet at 8 in the morning. Ewww!
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on November 29, 2021, 01:11:54 AM
Quote from: Bender on November 29, 2021, 01:07:51 AM
Quote from: herman on November 28, 2021, 02:18:36 PM
https://twitter.com/nosalaryretaind/status/1464972905645842438
First, ew.

Second... He sent this tweet at 8 in the morning. Ewww!
Early to bed, early to rise...
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bender on November 29, 2021, 09:44:49 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on November 29, 2021, 01:11:54 AM
Quote from: Bender on November 29, 2021, 01:07:51 AM
Quote from: herman on November 28, 2021, 02:18:36 PM
https://twitter.com/nosalaryretaind/status/1464972905645842438
First, ew.

Second... He sent this tweet at 8 in the morning. Ewww!
Early to bed, early to rise...
Makes a man a lot of things but certainly not wise!
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on November 29, 2021, 11:29:06 AM
Quote from: Bender on November 29, 2021, 09:44:49 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on November 29, 2021, 01:11:54 AM
Quote from: Bender on November 29, 2021, 01:07:51 AM
Quote from: herman on November 28, 2021, 02:18:36 PM
https://twitter.com/nosalaryretaind/status/1464972905645842438
First, ew.

Second... He sent this tweet at 8 in the morning. Ewww!
Early to bed, early to rise...
Makes a man a lot of things but certainly not wise!
I was going for something a little more subtle with early to "rise".
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on November 29, 2021, 01:20:46 PM

Well, it's like song says "I don't want anybody else, when I think about the 2021 North Division I touch myself."
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on December 09, 2021, 12:40:43 PM
https://twitter.com/tsnbobmckenzie/status/1468962408425144325
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Liljegrenius on December 09, 2021, 08:21:27 PM
Quote from: herman on December 09, 2021, 12:40:43 PM
https://twitter.com/tsnbobmckenzie/status/1468962408425144325

He probably should have saved that "Aaah" until after he took the sip.  ;D
Margaretas are nice though, I'd try it if I could.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Highlander on December 10, 2021, 04:11:46 PM
I love a good blood orange margarita made with either Don Julio or Patron Silver  and a nice splash of Gran Marnier on top.  On the rocks of course.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on January 06, 2022, 11:27:04 AM

Looks like the New York Times is buying The Athletic for 550 million dollars.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on January 06, 2022, 11:56:21 AM
Quote from: Nik on January 06, 2022, 11:27:04 AM

Looks like the New York Times is buying The Athletic for 550 million dollars.

I think lame?  :-\
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 06, 2022, 02:22:20 PM
Quote from: Nik on January 06, 2022, 11:27:04 AM
Looks like the New York Times is buying The Athletic for 550 million dollars.

Am I crazy in thinking that this doesn't really seem like that much? Particularily for a service/site that is attempting to basically have worldwide sports coverage.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 06, 2022, 03:57:48 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 06, 2022, 02:22:20 PM
Quote from: Nik on January 06, 2022, 11:27:04 AM
Looks like the New York Times is buying The Athletic for 550 million dollars.

Am I crazy in thinking that this doesn't really seem like that much? Particularily for a service/site that is attempting to basically have worldwide sports coverage.

Good.  Maybe my NYT sub will allow me access to it.

Here's their story, writing about themselves in the 3rd person:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/06/business/new-york-times-the-athletic.html
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Joe on March 16, 2022, 03:38:37 PM
Does anyone else find kypreos infuriating to listen to? I just happened to be in the car and I'm listening and he says 'can someone tell the leafs to call the Jays to show them how deals are done?'

Seriously? Like we're just going to completely disregard the nhl salary cap?

And he always talks about leafs fans as if we're a bunch of idiots 'well the leafs found their saviour last night.'

For a guy who was in the nhl and has as many 'insiders' as he does, he come across like any other misinformed guy on a call in show. I'm not sure why Rogers brought him back. He's bordering on bib mccown level of current hockey knowledge.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 16, 2022, 04:07:10 PM
I mean the reality is Kypreos basically owes his entire broadcasting career to the fact that his employers WANT him to say stupid things like this that rile people up/create a reaction.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Joe on March 16, 2022, 04:47:36 PM
I suppose. His show is on when I'm normally working, I just happen to be on vacation today and was in the car, but given the choice I'll actively avoid him. If he comes on another show as the 'hockey insider' I'll turn it off.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 16, 2022, 08:22:43 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on March 16, 2022, 04:47:36 PM
I suppose. His show is on when I'm normally working, I just happen to be on vacation today and was in the car, but given the choice I'll actively avoid him. If he comes on another show as the 'hockey insider' I'll turn it off.
He's an idiot..pretend insider. I like Justin Bourne but still won't listen to Krapeos
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on April 23, 2022, 09:02:06 PM
Not strictly media related, and I didn't really feel like starting an "I'm a dumbass" thread, but I think I got my IP banned from Natural Stat Trick.

I was trying to research my theory on how much Matthews defensive prowess contributes to wins by looking at his advanced stats and compare them between wins and loses.  The challenge there is that Natural Stat Trick doesn't have an easy way to produce data for individual games.  You would have to enter each date manually and get the data.

I figured I could do it quicker if I just wrote a python script to scrape the data from the site.  I pull the schedule from the NHL site, parse it, get the win and loses, and then grab the dates for each of those games.  I then try and pull the data from Natural Stat Trick using a per date query for the Leafs.  It worked once, and I was really excited.

However, since my first run, I can no longer access Natural Stat Trick from my IP address.  I can access it from my phone if I  am on cell, but not if I am on my wireless.  This is why I think my IP has been banned.  Either that or the Python module is holding something open, but that wouldn't be network wide.

Next step, IP cycling on my router :-).   
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 23, 2022, 09:18:07 PM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on April 23, 2022, 09:02:06 PM
Not strictly media related, and I didn't really feel like starting an "I'm a dumbass" thread, but I think I got my IP banned from Natural Stat Trick.

I was trying to research my theory on how much Matthews defensive prowess contributes to wins by looking at his advanced stats and compare them between wins and loses.  The challenge there is that Natural Stat Trick doesn't have an easy way to produce data for individual games.  You would have to enter each date manually and get the data.

I figured I could do it quicker if I just wrote a python script to scrape the data from the site.  I pull the schedule from the NHL site, parse it, get the win and loses, and then grab the dates for each of those games.  I then try and pull the data from Natural Stat Trick using a per date query for the Leafs.  It worked once, and I was really excited.

However, since my first run, I can no longer access Natural Stat Trick from my IP address.  I can access it from my phone if I  am on cell, but not if I am on my wireless.  This is why I think my IP has been banned.  Either that or the Python module is holding something open, but that wouldn't be network wide.

Next step, IP cycling on my router :-).   

Likely banned yeah. I vaguely recall them mentioning on twitter about how they used to let people scrap their data a certain amount of times during a certain time period but they had to drop that because it was just happening way too often and I guess that was affecting their performance. You could try reaching out to them on twitter and explaining the situation to see what they'd say.

An alternative, if/when you get back in, is exporting the data to excel or excel alternative and playing with it there.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on April 23, 2022, 09:25:05 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 23, 2022, 09:18:07 PM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on April 23, 2022, 09:02:06 PM
Not strictly media related, and I didn't really feel like starting an "I'm a dumbass" thread, but I think I got my IP banned from Natural Stat Trick.

I was trying to research my theory on how much Matthews defensive prowess contributes to wins by looking at his advanced stats and compare them between wins and loses.  The challenge there is that Natural Stat Trick doesn't have an easy way to produce data for individual games.  You would have to enter each date manually and get the data.

I figured I could do it quicker if I just wrote a python script to scrape the data from the site.  I pull the schedule from the NHL site, parse it, get the win and loses, and then grab the dates for each of those games.  I then try and pull the data from Natural Stat Trick using a per date query for the Leafs.  It worked once, and I was really excited.

However, since my first run, I can no longer access Natural Stat Trick from my IP address.  I can access it from my phone if I  am on cell, but not if I am on my wireless.  This is why I think my IP has been banned.  Either that or the Python module is holding something open, but that wouldn't be network wide.

Next step, IP cycling on my router :-).   

Likely banned yeah. I vaguely recall them mentioning on twitter about how they used to let people scrap their data a certain amount of times during a certain time period but they had to drop that because it was just happening way too often and I guess that was affecting their performance. You could try reaching out to them on twitter and explaining the situation to see what they'd say.

An alternative, if/when you get back in, is exporting the data to excel or excel alternative and playing with it there.

I can put a timeout into my script to see if that helps.  If it's time based, if I make the query happen every ten minutes or something I would hope that would get me around the ban.  Once I have the data, I'm good to go.  It'll just take a while to get the data.

I think I would have the same problem exporting to excel.  It's the presentation that natural stat trick provides.  It gives to a sum for a range of dates.  I want the data for individual games so that I can see if the data correlates in a particular way to a loss or a win. 

I'll reach out if I am interested in going forward with it some more.   I think if I set up a Patreon donation and let them know my intentions, maybe I can get an exemption or something.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 23, 2022, 09:27:13 PM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on April 23, 2022, 09:25:05 PM
I can put a timeout into my script to see if that helps.  If it's time based, if I make the query happen every ten minutes or something I would hope that would get me around the ban.  Once I have the data, I'm good to go.  It'll just take a while to get the data.

I think I would have the same problem exporting to excel.  It's the presentation that natural stat trick provides.  It gives to a sum for a range of dates.  I want the data for individual games so that I can see if the data correlates in a particular way to a loss or a win. 

I'll reach out if I am interested in going forward with it some more.   I think if I set up a Patreon donation and let them know my intentions, maybe I can get an exemption or something.

Yeah checking what their exact policy on scraping would be a good first step. I doubt they'd have a problem with what you're doing exactly, IIRC they were seeing a massive amount of scrapes per day from what they believed were people using their data for gambling purposes.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on April 23, 2022, 11:12:42 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 23, 2022, 09:27:13 PM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on April 23, 2022, 09:25:05 PM
I can put a timeout into my script to see if that helps.  If it's time based, if I make the query happen every ten minutes or something I would hope that would get me around the ban.  Once I have the data, I'm good to go.  It'll just take a while to get the data.

I think I would have the same problem exporting to excel.  It's the presentation that natural stat trick provides.  It gives to a sum for a range of dates.  I want the data for individual games so that I can see if the data correlates in a particular way to a loss or a win. 

I'll reach out if I am interested in going forward with it some more.   I think if I set up a Patreon donation and let them know my intentions, maybe I can get an exemption or something.

Yeah checking what their exact policy on scraping would be a good first step. I doubt they'd have a problem with what you're doing exactly, IIRC they were seeing a massive amount of scrapes per day from what they believed were people using their data for gambling purposes.

I am going to send them a message, but I have a workaround that I can use until they get back to me.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on June 07, 2022, 02:54:16 PM
https://twitter.com/OffsideDH/status/1534197019287224322?s=20&t=BUwbZOtEyDWq4KbhU7HJpg

Eh, this will get more play solely based on whose son he is.  Not a good look.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on June 07, 2022, 04:04:15 PM
uh, whose son is he? I'm unfamiliar.

Love all the typos, bad grammar and spelling mistakes in the arrest report. :D
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Deebo on June 07, 2022, 04:38:43 PM
Quote from: LittleHockeyFan on June 07, 2022, 04:04:15 PM
uh, whose son is he? I'm unfamiliar.

Love all the typos, bad grammar and spelling mistakes in the arrest report. :D

Bob McKenzie
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on June 07, 2022, 05:42:07 PM
Quote from: Deebo on June 07, 2022, 04:38:43 PM
Quote from: LittleHockeyFan on June 07, 2022, 04:04:15 PM
uh, whose son is he? I'm unfamiliar.

Love all the typos, bad grammar and spelling mistakes in the arrest report. :D

Bob McKenzie
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220607/494894a522642a0aba127a096f2d1f0d.jpg)
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Frank E on June 07, 2022, 05:44:48 PM
Take a bow, HS.

Awesome.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bender on June 07, 2022, 07:41:55 PM
Quote from: Zee on June 07, 2022, 02:54:16 PM
https://twitter.com/OffsideDH/status/1534197019287224322?s=20&t=BUwbZOtEyDWq4KbhU7HJpg

Eh, this will get more play solely based on whose son he is.  Not a good look.
I think this looks worse on law enforcement. My brain can't handle that level of incorrect grammar.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on June 07, 2022, 07:46:59 PM
I think he deserves a break, never got physical, probably a good idea for him to make some lifestyle changes and apologize publicly.

Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on June 07, 2022, 08:15:51 PM
https://twitter.com/dalter/status/1534300075907768320

Lol, no respect for Hack Todd.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on June 08, 2022, 04:36:24 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on June 07, 2022, 08:15:51 PM
https://twitter.com/dalter/status/1534300075907768320

Lol, no respect for Hack Todd.

This made me smile as well.  Shades of Damian Cox surfing for porn on a Sunday morning and forgetting his open browser tabs while posting a screenshot on twitter.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 10, 2022, 03:33:40 PM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1535342044394029057

Are reporters for other sports jumping on this train as hard as NHL ones are?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on June 10, 2022, 10:52:11 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 10, 2022, 03:33:40 PM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1535342044394029057

Are reporters for other sports jumping on this train as hard as NHL ones are?
Man, old man Seravalli is looking about ready to retire the age of... (*checks notes*)... 34??
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on June 16, 2022, 09:55:22 AM
https://twitter.com/DefectorMedia/status/1537425470416879617
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 16, 2022, 10:10:06 AM
Weirdly freedom of speech folks never seem to get too upset about things like this.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on June 23, 2022, 04:46:05 PM
https://twitter.com/nyp_brooksie/status/1540044724102471682
We've gotten to the point where I can't tell if this is satire or not.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 23, 2022, 05:24:32 PM
Quote from: herman on June 23, 2022, 04:46:05 PM
https://twitter.com/nyp_brooksie/status/1540044724102471682
We've gotten to the point where I can't tell if this is satire or not.

The NY Post satirizes itself.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on July 13, 2022, 08:56:31 AM
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1547194907797897218
Respect for doing the right (and difficult thing) on basically his Super Bowl day.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Andy on July 13, 2022, 09:04:11 AM
Hearing rumblings of a stomach to toilet evacuation. Both sides are very close.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on July 13, 2022, 09:13:39 AM
Quote from: Andy on July 13, 2022, 09:04:11 AM
Hearing rumblings of a stomach to toilet evacuation. Both sides are very close.


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Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on July 13, 2022, 11:59:53 AM

Very good article about Ray Ferraro over at Defector today, primarily about how he handles being a member of the media while married to a AGM but it had one quote I think people should see:

https://defector.com/ray-ferraros-been-enjoying-his-need-to-know-marriage/ (https://defector.com/ray-ferraros-been-enjoying-his-need-to-know-marriage/)

Quote"I mean, I've had two great careers, and I'm eventually looking to do less, not more. I like what I'm doing, don't get me wrong. I don't even mind people always complaining that I like the Leafs or hate the Rangers or whatever as a broadcaster, but I couldn't find a way to care less about who wins. I mean, if the Avalanche likes the way I did a game, it's not like they're putting my name on the Stanley Cup. Tell the truth, all I want out of a game is no overtime."

I guarantee that 90% of the media people who get accused of "bias" feel basically the same way.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Joe on July 20, 2022, 09:30:58 AM
WtF is going on with the fan 590? I have no interest in listening to Vancouver sports radio. What's with this simulcasting bull#$#%?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Deebo on July 20, 2022, 09:47:20 AM
Quote from: Joe on July 20, 2022, 09:30:58 AM
WtF is going on with the fan 590? I have no interest in listening to Vancouver sports radio. What's with this simulcasting bull#$#%?

Didn't have anyone to fill in while the regular hosts are off?

https://twitter.com/GregBalloch/status/1548481455164010496
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Arn on September 15, 2022, 04:41:51 PM
Not specifically Leaf's related,  it I see The Athletic is now taking on advertising.

Suppose it was only a matter of time, but disappointing none the less.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on October 09, 2022, 10:26:08 AM
https://twitter.com/ntrider825/status/1579094795418361857