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Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
« Reply #105 on: October 10, 2020, 05:50:01 PM »
Good point.

I read that yesterday, and I'm not sure I'm convinced that Dermott can do that job well enough.

I have to think that having Dermott over there would be worst case scenario.

I'm not the biggest Dermott fan when it comes to his potential in becoming a top-4 defender but as a bottom pairing guy he should do very well regardless of the side he's playing on. And at like $1-1.25mil I'm not sure you're finding someone much better. I mean Borowiecki signed for $2mil.
I like Dermott's upside but I'm disappointed at his progress. I thought he'd be better by now but I guess the injury and him missing camp really messed up his year. I think it's too early to give up on him so we'll see how it goes this year. I don't see him getting over 1.5 per for 2 years.

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« Reply #106 on: October 10, 2020, 06:03:19 PM »
I think Pietrangelo was a bad play 
in these cap times. No cap, buy him and laugh.. too much of Tavares downside on his deal, too expensive in his declining years.  My major gripe with this team is not with Nylander (no gripe) or Marner (although we pay him 2 Mill too much), but I think the JT deal will hold us back a lot in the coming years.  Great player but not at the rate or the term.
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Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
« Reply #107 on: October 12, 2020, 09:59:14 AM »
https://theathletic.com/2128813/2020/10/12/maple-leafs-signing-of-t-j-brodie-will-bolster-defence/
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Brodie, meanwhile, [played right defense] for the bulk of his time in Calgary, often on a first pairing with Mark Giordano. With Brodie at his side two seasons ago, Giordano, at 35, won his first Norris Trophy. He?d never finished higher than sixth before. And while Giordano was the driving force in the pair, Brodie?s quiet reliability allowed him to shine in much the same way that Hainsey (albeit to a lesser degree) helped Rielly the year he finished fifth in Norris voting (the same year Giordano won it).

Unlike Hainsey, who sunk when Rielly wasn?t out there, Brodie got along just fine without Giordano around.

Over about 472 minutes at five-on-five last year, the Flames had a 52 percent expected-goals clip when Brodie was on the ice without Giordano. According to PuckIQ, Calgary had about 53 percent possession in those instances (84 minutes) when Brodie faced ?elite? competition without Giordano (albeit with generous zone starts).
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Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
« Reply #108 on: October 12, 2020, 10:28:22 AM »
Like I said before, Brodie might not be the Norris-type defender we all wanted but he might help push Rielly back into the conversation.

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Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
« Reply #109 on: October 12, 2020, 01:27:08 PM »
Invalid Tweet IDTranslation: Brodie prefers to pass to forwards instead of taking long shots himself
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Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
« Reply #110 on: October 12, 2020, 01:30:45 PM »

Well, I'm glad advanced metrics cracked the unsolvable riddle of "Does the guy who scored 17 goals over three years shoot a lot?"
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« Reply #111 on: October 12, 2020, 01:34:21 PM »

Well, I'm glad advanced metrics cracked the unsolvable riddle of "Does the guy who scored 17 goals over three years shoot a lot?"

That could very well be a matter of incompetence rather than volume  ;D
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« Reply #112 on: October 12, 2020, 01:44:38 PM »

Well, I'm glad advanced metrics cracked the unsolvable riddle of "Does the guy who scored 17 goals over three years shoot a lot?"

That could very well be a matter of incompetence rather than volume  ;D

True. Someone should really start keeping track of how many shots these guys take.
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« Reply #113 on: October 12, 2020, 01:51:44 PM »

Well, I'm glad advanced metrics cracked the unsolvable riddle of "Does the guy who scored 17 goals over three years shoot a lot?"

That could very well be a matter of incompetence rather than volume  ;D

True. Someone should really start keeping track of how many shots these guys take.

Shots doesn't count blocks/misses though
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« Reply #114 on: October 12, 2020, 02:09:21 PM »
Shots doesn't count blocks/misses though

For reals, I'd be interested in just to what extent the difference looks like between a list of "shots" and "shots + blocks/misses" for players.
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Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
« Reply #115 on: October 12, 2020, 02:21:33 PM »
Shots doesn't count blocks/misses though

For reals, I'd be interested in just to what extent the difference looks like between a list of "shots" and "shots + blocks/misses" for players.

Decided to test this quickly with one player, Barrie, because he seems to be an example of a player who might show a big gap in those stats. Among defenders who played at least 800 5-on-5 minutes last season Barrie ranked 12th in shots/60 and 5th in shots+blocks/misses/60.

Then since the window was open I noticed Rielly was 21st in shots/60 and 9th in shots+blocks/missed/60.

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Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
« Reply #116 on: October 12, 2020, 02:37:36 PM »
Shots doesn't count blocks/misses though

For reals, I'd be interested in just to what extent the difference looks like between a list of "shots" and "shots + blocks/misses" for players.

Decided to test this quickly with one player, Barrie, because he seems to be an example of a player who might show a big gap in those stats. Among defenders who played at least 800 5-on-5 minutes last season Barrie ranked 12th in shots/60 and 5th in shots+blocks/misses/60.

Then since the window was open I noticed Rielly was 21st in shots/60 and 9th in shots+blocks/missed/60.
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Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
« Reply #117 on: October 12, 2020, 02:46:17 PM »
2019-2020, so shortened season numbers. Ranks using the 800-min minimum at 5v5 rates defensemen only.
There are ties, and I can't be bothered to parse the tie tiers as single ranks. Just going by whatever Natural Stat Trick tie-breaks with in the sorts.

Individual 5v5 per 60BarrieBrodieRiellyMuzzinHollDermott
Attempts14.32 (5th)7.73 (129th)13.54 (9th)11.18 (49th)9.81 (78th)7.71 (130th)
Shots on goal6.67 (12th)2.91 (138th)6.29 (21st)5.77 (27th)4.6 (79th)4.2 (93rd)
xG0.24 (27th)0.12 (135th)0.24 (29th)0.21 (46th)0.21 (54th)0.14 (110th)
Goals0.19 (75th)0.16 (90th)0.14 (94th)0.37 (16th)0.06 (124th)0.28 (30th)
Individual 5v5 CountsBarrieBrodieRiellyMuzzinHollDermott
Attempts303141198180177112
Shots on goal1415392938361
xG5.042.113.553.341.22.1
Goals432614
Individual Sh%BarrieBrodieRiellyMuzzinHollDermott
Shots per attempt46.53%37.59%46.46%51.67%46.89%54.46%
Goals per attempt1.32%2.13%1.01%3.33%0.56%3.57%
Goals per shot (sh%)2.84%5.66%2.17%6.45%1.20%6.56%

I don't know where I could find an easy dataset to do this, but I'd like to see the delta in chances/shots for Barrie's forwards with and without him.
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Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
« Reply #118 on: October 12, 2020, 11:04:03 PM »
Wonder why Dom's model doesn't look at him very favourably. He looks fine but basically nothing more than a reliable 4 guy. Wonder if he just had a bit of a down year last year.
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« Reply #119 on: October 13, 2020, 10:08:41 AM »
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