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Started by herman, May 23, 2019, 10:36:50 AM

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Highlander

Quote from: herman on February 22, 2020, 12:48:47 PM
If Tyson Barrie stopped shooting the puck from above the circles, he'd be the best RHD rental for the Leafs.
Yep, he should be skating the puck into the bottom of the circle or slot and letting them rip.  I guess he is bruising a lot of ankles, probably ours.
"In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's there are few"
                                           Sunryn Suzuki

Guilt Trip

Quote from: Highlander on February 22, 2020, 12:43:47 PM
Don't want to give up Engvall or Kapanen, at this point my man would be Johnsson, it someone would take on the injury, throw in Dermott if you have to.  Rielly, Muzz, Sandin with Kivihalme almost ready gives us a good LHD presence.  Now if Dermott could play the RHD that may be different.
Barrie is our largest trading chip at this point.  He has been a major disappointment.
Disappointment or not he's playing huge minutes for us and that needs to be replaced. I'm not all that comfortable giving those minutes to Marincin or Liljegren. Leafs need a big minute replacement RHD before they even entertain moving Barrie. Dermott did play on the right side a bit last year.

Highlander

Mirtle was suggesting Barrie for Stecher from Van straight up.  Mirtle says "Stecher is undersized, but he plays an aggressive game and is solid defensively. His results in areas like the penalty kill, where he's played off and on in Vancouver, have been strong.
This is what we need, a shut down guy, once Rielly is back he takes first PP, for now we can use Sandin or Muzz.
"In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's there are few"
                                           Sunryn Suzuki

CarltonTheBear

Stecher's a 3rd pairing defenceman. Acquiring him doesn't solve the teams problems.

Highlander

I know nothing about him, outside of this being Mirtle's number one suggestion.  Perhaps you move Dermott into the 2nd Pair on the RHS and use Sandin and Stecher.
I just don't want to give up an Engvall or Kapanen for a Manson etc.
Barrie is a bigger liability at this point and he is going to walk for zero at the end of the year.  We need to get something back instead of letting guys walk for nothing. to many of those already.
And no I don't want Jake Gardiner back.
"In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's there are few"
                                           Sunryn Suzuki

Zee

I like the idea of Vegas being in on Barrie, they have been known to give up pretty good assets in trades. Remember they traded a first, second and third for Tatar.

CarltonTheBear

Quote from: Highlander on February 22, 2020, 03:27:18 PM
I just don't want to give up an Engvall or Kapanen for a Manson etc.

I feel like I've been saying this for a couple years now but if you're not willing to give up a 3rd liner (on this team) for a 1RHD then you'll basically always be stuck with defenders on that side you'll complain about.

Highlander

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 22, 2020, 03:52:25 PM
Quote from: Highlander on February 22, 2020, 03:27:18 PM
I just don't want to give up an Engvall or Kapanen for a Manson etc.

I feel like I've been saying this for a couple years now but if you're not willing to give up a 3rd liner (on this team) for a 1RHD then you'll basically always be stuck with defenders on that side you'll complain about.
What you say is true CTB, I went back and forth for a year or so on whether I would give up Johnsson or Kapanen. Thats an easy answer today.  I would way rather keep Kapi, so unless someone is willing to wait next year for Mango as a future along with Barrie and perhaps Dermott, then anything for Barrie becomes a good deal. 
"In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's there are few"
                                           Sunryn Suzuki

Zee

The @MapleLeafs have acquired forward Miikka Salomaki from Nashville in exchange for Ben Harpur.

Details: tml.hockey/2VgAriq

Stebro

I'm actually starting to lean towards trading one of Marner or Nylander just to send a message, either that or the leafs should fire Dubas if we miss the playoffs. I don't really like what Marner is telling the media. A clear message needs to be sent to the team that no one is untouchable, and you can't play only when you feel like it. I mean how many games have the leafs had where they only play part of the game, and the forwards look really lazy. I know that most teams have bad games, I mean Boston allowed 9 yesterday, but the leafs are extreme in terms of lack of effort.

Guilt Trip

Dubas isn't getting fired if they miss. Who are you trading Marner or Nylander for? You don't trade just to send a message. I thought Keefe should have benched 16 and 88 last night. You're top money players aren't allowed to play like they did.

bustaheims

Quote from: Guilt Trip on February 23, 2020, 10:31:57 AM
Dubas isn't getting fired if they miss. Who are you trading Marner or Nylander for? You don't trade just to send a message. I thought Keefe should have benched 16 and 88 last night. You're top money players aren't allowed to play like they did.

Agreed. Trading a long-term piece to send a message isn't how you make the team better, it's how you get them stuck in the cycle of never being good enough. Yes, the team needs a wake up call, but there are better ways to accomplish that. If you move a core piece, it has to be a 100% objective, analytical, and thought out move, not an emotional one.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

KadriFan

I'd love to see Dubas get bold.  Maybe JT for Petry and Domi.  Things need to get shook up a bit in the top 6. 

Bill_Berg_is_sad


L K

Quote from: bustaheims on February 23, 2020, 11:13:33 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on February 23, 2020, 10:31:57 AM
Dubas isn't getting fired if they miss. Who are you trading Marner or Nylander for? You don't trade just to send a message. I thought Keefe should have benched 16 and 88 last night. You're top money players aren't allowed to play like they did.

Agreed. Trading a long-term piece to send a message isn't how you make the team better, it's how you get them stuck in the cycle of never being good enough. Yes, the team needs a wake up call, but there are better ways to accomplish that. If you move a core piece, it has to be a 100% objective, analytical, and thought out move, not an emotional one.

I'm think they probably need to.   It's an offseason move though, not one for the trade deadline tomorrow.