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Quote from: Joe on Yesterday at 10:06:33 AM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on May 22, 2024, 10:29:10 PMconvince Matthews that he has plenty of personal trophies and needs a team one.

I don't disagree with the rest of your post but I don't really see the merit of this one. Mathews plays a team game. He's absolutely a 200ft player.


Yeah, that came off the wrong way.  I was just fishing for something to say about each one of the core four.  Matthews is captain in everything but the letter on his sweater.
#22
Leafs Rumours & Speculation / Re: Armchair GM Thread 2024-25
Last post by Rob - Yesterday at 10:50:03 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on Yesterday at 10:16:23 AM
Quote from: Bullfrog on Yesterday at 10:03:22 AMI doubt that, but it'll likely be the fans making his time insufferable.

Yeah. The team isn't going to risk harming their on-ice success in a bid to make a player uncomfortable. If they don't play Marner and Matthews together, it will be for on-ice reasons, not trade-related stuff.

Just put Marner in net.
#23
Leafs Rumours & Speculation / Re: Armchair GM Thread 2024-25
Last post by bustaheims - Yesterday at 10:16:23 AM
Quote from: Bullfrog on Yesterday at 10:03:22 AMI doubt that, but it'll likely be the fans making his time insufferable.

Yeah. The team isn't going to risk harming their on-ice success in a bid to make a player uncomfortable. If they don't play Marner and Matthews together, it will be for on-ice reasons, not trade-related stuff.
#24
Leafs Rumours & Speculation / Re: Armchair GM Thread 2024-25
Last post by herman - Yesterday at 10:10:38 AM
Quote from: Bullfrog on Yesterday at 10:03:22 AMI doubt that, but it'll likely be the fans making his time insufferable.

No one can make him suffer more than his family already has.
#25
Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Craig Berube named new coa...
Last post by Joe - Yesterday at 10:06:33 AM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on May 22, 2024, 10:29:10 PMconvince Matthews that he has plenty of personal trophies and needs a team one.

I don't disagree with the rest of your post but I don't really see the merit of this one. Mathews plays a team game. He's absolutely a 200ft player.
#26
Leafs Rumours & Speculation / Re: Armchair GM Thread 2024-25
Last post by Bullfrog - Yesterday at 10:03:22 AM
I doubt that, but it'll likely be the fans making his time insufferable.
#27
General NHL News & Views / Re: ECF: New York Rangers vs. ...
Last post by Bender - Yesterday at 09:59:15 AM
Quote from: herman on Yesterday at 08:58:40 AM
Quote from: Bender on May 22, 2024, 10:00:13 PMPretty thorough by the Panthers tonight.

Dubas had the right idea about offense being a good defense, but the methodology of creating good offensive puck time is done a bit differently by Maurice. Relentless forecheck pressure vs perimeter puck probes; the former is just a matter of consistent effort and hard on the defending team, while the latter is quite mentally taxing for the puck possession team and easy for the defending team to disrupt and counter.

It's the old Jake Gardiner kryptonite. Pressure the puck carriers to make quick decisions, get the other team off their game, grind them down. Make them second guess every play they make. It's about time we don't write off counter punching as a very viable strategy.

As well credit where it's due, Bob did make some great saves too.
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Leafs Rumours & Speculation / Re: Armchair GM Thread 2024-25
Last post by Bender - Yesterday at 09:53:06 AM
Quote from: Bullfrog on Yesterday at 07:55:03 AM
Quote from: Frank E on May 22, 2024, 06:45:03 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on May 22, 2024, 06:32:30 PM
Quote from: Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington on May 22, 2024, 05:43:44 PMI agree that I can only see Marner headed for free agency. About the only leverage the Leafs have is being able to give him an 8 year deal in either keeping him or sign and trade, but I reckon he will go the Matthews route of shorter term and sign for 3-4 years on the open market at a rate the Leafs won't match and then a big big contract aged 30-31. So that leverage won't apply.

Wonder if this could turn ugly at games this season if/when he refuses to waive. He's already a target on social media. That's bound to transfer into the arena too at some point.
Only way 16 doesn't get an 8 year deal is if he doesn't want to sign one or goes the UFA route. He has to be on the signing team's roster by the deadline to qualify for an 8 year deal.

If the Leafs ask him to waive he won't be coming back here if he goes to UFA.




I think you need to put yourself in Marner's camp for a second...this is a way to get him an 8 year deal and leave with dignity...he's from here.  He's not going to poison this well.  And the Leafs have leverage.

For Marner, perhaps. I'm not sure his team lists dignity at the top of their values.

If I were Marner, I think I'd lean towards not taking an extension this year. He'll get his $11M+ from somebody. Is an 8-year vs 7-year contract of that much concern to him?

If you can get a massive signing bonus, 8yrs, dictate where you want to go and get out of a bad situation then why wait? Why prolong the misery? If Marner plays hardball I can see the Leafs keeping him away from Matthews and making his remaining time here insufferable.
#29
General NHL News & Views / Re: ECF: New York Rangers vs. ...
Last post by herman - Yesterday at 08:58:40 AM
Quote from: Bender on May 22, 2024, 10:00:13 PMPretty thorough by the Panthers tonight.

Dubas had the right idea about offense being a good defense, but the methodology of creating good offensive puck time is done a bit differently by Maurice. Relentless forecheck pressure vs perimeter puck probes; the former is just a matter of consistent effort and hard on the defending team, while the latter is quite mentally taxing for the puck possession team and easy for the defending team to disrupt and counter.
#30
Former Leafs: Ex-Files / Re: Keefe named head coach of ...
Last post by herman - Yesterday at 08:57:20 AM