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#2011
Can we start chanting Thank You Boston when they come to town?
#2012
NHL Transactions / Re: Habs Sign Briere (2 years)
July 04, 2013, 04:19:56 PM
Way to size up Montreal. I like it.
#2013
Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Grabovski Bought Out
July 04, 2013, 04:18:18 PM
Quote from: Zee on July 04, 2013, 03:20:50 PM
So any guesses as to where Grabovski ends up signing?

Montreal.
#2014
Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Grabovski Bought Out
July 04, 2013, 12:56:51 PM
Teams were able to start talking to free agents as of midnight last night or something right? So maybe they've got a deal with someone in principle and let Grabo go to make room.

Not that GMs speak plainly, but Nonis did sound like he was going to be keeping Grabo after talking about him having to earn minutes.

My bet is Weiss is coming to town.
#2015
Quote from: Deebo on June 26, 2013, 01:10:18 PM
RA is pitching a gem today

Only 87 (66 for strikes, 72%) pitches through 8IP with 2H, 1BB, 0ER and 6K

Jays lead 3-0 in the top of the 9th.

Yeah, he's looking great. First CG of the season?
#2016
Quote from: Nik the Trik on June 26, 2013, 11:47:01 AM
Quote from: Bill_Berg on June 26, 2013, 11:30:20 AM
Derosa's getting long in the tooth, that might be a consideration. You want the young guy to get the at bats.

If Bonifacio were a prospect, sure. But at 28 there's no real difference.

Probably right. I would argue that Derosa is on the decline so get the guy in that will play longer term, but Derosa's numbers don't really support that. He's having a good season.

Has Gibbons commented on his decision to play Bonofacio over Derosa in recent weeks? I would be interested in his answer.
#2017
Quote from: Nik the Trik on June 26, 2013, 11:17:13 AM
Quote from: Bill_Berg on June 26, 2013, 11:05:24 AM
But his career OBP is only .021 less than Derosa's.

I wouldn't be that quick to dismiss the edge there because A) it's not insubstantial and B) it does sort of neatly divide them as ond player with an above average OBP and a player with a below average one. Regardless, if it comes down to De Rosa vs. Bonifacio then it's not just a matter of OBP and De Rosa's career slugging percentage being 70 points higher way outweighs any difference in footspeed.

Anyways, as to the general point I'm sure you're right and that Gibbons didn't put Bonifacio into the line-up and expect him to be as bad as he's been but I don't know how much that explains things if he still should have been able to look at Bonifacio's history and see he's not a very good hitter and that in the AL east it was probably going to be even worse.

Derosa's getting long in the tooth, that might be a consideration. You want the young guy to get the at bats. It's a good point about the AL East. There are no Rays in the NL. So you would expect carrier numbers to be a bit worse in general.

Until this year, Bonifacio has had the better slugging percentage in the past three years, which is interesting.

Also, in looking at stats I saw the game was on at 12:10 today. If it wasn't for this conversation I'd have missed the game today! Thanks Nik!

Emilo is in today, maybe he'll go 3 for 3 with two doubles, 2 SBs, and a walk.
#2018
Quote from: Nik the Trik on June 26, 2013, 10:53:28 AM
Quote from: Bill_Berg on June 26, 2013, 10:48:54 AMAnd I don't see much of an upgrade with Derosa. Derosa hits better, but we lose speed, 6 of one...

The thing about speed in an offensive context is that it's really only useful if you get on base. Bonifacio could be Usain Bolt and his .234 OBP would prevent him from making a meaningful contribution to the offense. De Rosa's OBP being 85 points higher is way, way more valuable than Bonifacio's speed.

But his career OBP is only .021 less than Derosa's. My original point is that we should be expecting Bonofacio to produce more than he is now. So when he gets into the line-up, Gibbons is putting in a guy with a .319 OBP, not a guy with a .234 OBP.

If you want to argue that Bonofacio has had his chance and he's blown it, that's another thing. I defer my opinion on that to Gibbons.
#2019
Quote from: Nik the Trik on June 26, 2013, 10:33:31 AM
Quote from: Bill_Berg on June 26, 2013, 10:25:47 AM
Sure, he's not an offensive juggernaut. I just mean to say that it's reasonable to expect more out of him. Him batting .209 this season is not something anyone would have guessed would happen. This is a down season for him.

I'm also not advocating that he stays the starter at 2nd.  I'm just not surprised he's getting more rope than many expected.

I'm just saying that if he were hitting his career average of .261 the team would reasonably need more offense from his spot. I appreciate why they gave him the shot but realistically he was going to be a bad offensive player.

Yeah, I agree with that. I don't think he was ever expected to be the number one guy at 2nd. But if he was batting .261, he wouldn't be sticking out like a sore thumb in the lineup. And I don't see much of an upgrade with Derosa. Derosa hits better, but we lose speed, 6 of one...

When Lawrie comes back though, I would expect Izturis to move to 2nd and Bonofacio to take his place on the bench as a defensive replacement and pinch runner.
#2020
Quote from: Nik the Trik on June 26, 2013, 10:13:02 AM
Quote from: Bill_Berg on June 26, 2013, 10:02:36 AM
I don't know about that. He's batting .209 this year, going back to 2009 he's batted .258, .296, .261, .252. The four years before that I figure were those young, learning years that all players go through, and there are few at bats. If he was batting .252, his worst season in the past 4, would we be having this discussion?


For the most part, yes because Bonifacio basically brings nothing else to the table at the plate other than batting average. He's only got the one year where his OPS is even approaching league average and that's also the only year his oWAR was above 1.0. He's pretty much a black hole offensively if he's not hitting .280+ so his failure to be able to do that on a consistent basis is probably going to limit him to being a bench player in a good offense.

Sure, he's not an offensive juggernaut. I just mean to say that it's reasonable to expect more out of him. Him batting .209 this season is not something anyone would have guessed would happen. This is a down season for him.

I'm also not advocating that he stays the starter at 2nd.  I'm just not surprised he's getting more rope than many expected.
#2021
Quote from: bustaheims on June 26, 2013, 09:53:05 AM
Quote from: Bill_Berg on June 26, 2013, 08:22:48 AM
I think Bonifacio is having a bit of an off year. He may still turn it around. He hit .296 in 2011 as an everyday player. Only .258 last year in far fewer at bats. So his .200 average this year is out of place. Maybe he's just having a tough time adjusting to the AL.

If you look at his career, it's that 2011 season that stands out as the outlier, not this one. What we're seeing from Bonifacio this year is only slightly below where he's been in just about every season he's played in MLB.

I don't know about that. He's batting .209 this year, going back to 2009 he's batted .258, .296, .261, .252. The four years before that I figure were those young, learning years that all players go through, and there are few at bats. If he was batting .252, his worst season in the past 4, would we be having this discussion?

.252 would be a higher average than Bautista, Rasmus, Arencibia, and others.
#2022
Quote from: Corn Flake on June 26, 2013, 08:33:46 AM
Quote from: Bill_Berg on June 26, 2013, 08:22:48 AM
I think Bonifacio is having a bit of an off year. He may still turn it around. He hit .296 in 2011 as an everyday player. Only .258 last year in far fewer at bats. So his .200 average this year is out of place. Maybe he's just having a tough time adjusting to the AL.

Of course we're nearing the half-way point so there has to be a breaking point too.

He's treated as a guy with potential.  But at 28 how much potential ceiling is there yet to be reached?

He almost hit .300 in 2011. If he can reproduce that, he'd be a solid part of the line-up. I guess the question is if he's a one-hit wonder, but I think the team was expecting him to come in and have a good batting average from the bottom half of the order. It's just not panning out.

When we traded for him I heard a lot of other players talking about how great he is. I had high expectations for him.
#2023
I think Bonifacio is having a bit of an off year. He may still turn it around. He hit .296 in 2011 as an everyday player. Only .258 last year in far fewer at bats. So his .200 average this year is out of place. Maybe he's just having a tough time adjusting to the AL.

Of course we're nearing the half-way point so there has to be a breaking point too.
#2025
Tense finish. Love it. I really missed the playoffs.