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#33
Is there a video or full statement from Reaves? My gut tells me that some of it was taken out of context much the way Marner was last week.
#34
I agree on Robertson. I'd actually move him up the line up as opposed to out of the line up.
#36
Quote from: Frank E on January 18, 2024, 04:08:18 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on January 18, 2024, 03:19:59 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on January 18, 2024, 03:08:27 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on January 18, 2024, 02:54:53 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on January 18, 2024, 01:18:46 PMIf Tre is wondering what it would look like he'd make it clear to Keefe that he needed to try it. Tre is still his boss.
 

I don't know that you want a GM telling a coach that he needs to try anything.
GMs and coaches talk all the time. The lineup isn't 100% all on Keefe. He has the final say being the head coach but gets input from others.

Sure. But making it clear that a coach needs to try something is not in a general manager's job description. Nor should it be.

Well, that's not quite true.

Sure there's some leeway and separation of duties, but Tre is still the General Manager.  If Keefe doesn't tow the line, Keefe is out.

Everybody has a boss, and if you don't like the direction your boss wants you to take, you can resign.

If Keefe were to put Matthews in net because he thought that would be a good idea, I'm pretty sure Keefe would find out how long his leash actually is. 

Well yes, if we're going to go on a strict hierarchy basis, Treliving is above Keefe and has the right to 'tell Keefe' what to do with the team. That said, my original point was that I don't think you want a team where the GM is telling the coach how to coach(directly in reference to Treliving ordering Keefe to put Nylander at centre). That's true for the coach, the players and the fans.

Keefe's job is to coach.
Treliving's job is to manage.

If he's not liking the coaching, or feels it's the reason the team is struggling, he has every right to make the change. But ordering a coach to try a certain player at centre, in my opinion, is not what a GM should be doing.
#37
Quote from: herman on January 19, 2024, 02:18:46 PMI did find team wide numbers: https://morehockeystats.com/teams/givetake
Leafs
DZGiveaways: 210
DZTakeaways: 115

OZGiveaways: 128
OZTakeaways: 106


My main takeaway, re: Tavares' line is: they generate a lot of puck touches in the OZ that fail (Nylander cleans up after them quite a bit) but they rarely ever touch the puck in the DZ (slow, soft, weak, what have you) enough to give it away.

Marner has been sloppy in the OZ in the early goings, but he usually gets it back.

Nylander and Matthews are quite the handful to handle for opposing skaters.

I agree with all of this.

Do they have a chart that adds in puck time? For instance, Rielly is always going to be higher on the give aways as he has the puck that much more than the other D. I'd also question how they are determining a giveaway for a defender? Is a rim around the boards that the opposing D keeps in at the point a give away? What about if the winger missed the rim?
#39
Quote from: Guilt Trip on January 18, 2024, 03:08:27 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on January 18, 2024, 02:54:53 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on January 18, 2024, 01:18:46 PMIf Tre is wondering what it would look like he'd make it clear to Keefe that he needed to try it. Tre is still his boss.
 

I don't know that you want a GM telling a coach that he needs to try anything.
GMs and coaches talk all the time. The lineup isn't 100% all on Keefe. He has the final say being the head coach but gets input from others.

Sure. But making it clear that a coach needs to try something is not in a general manager's job description. Nor should it be.
#40
Quote from: Guilt Trip on January 18, 2024, 01:18:46 PMIf Tre is wondering what it would look like he'd make it clear to Keefe that he needed to try it. Tre is still his boss.
 

I don't know that you want a GM telling a coach that he needs to try anything.
#41
Quote from: Dappleganger on January 11, 2024, 03:24:14 PMIs Perry better than having Robertson on the 3rd line?


No, but he may be better than having McMann on the 4th line. Definitely better than having Reaves on the 4th line.
#42
General NHL News & Views / Re: 2023-24 NHL Thread
January 10, 2024, 01:36:07 PM
Pretty remarkable.
#43
Rielly has always been a player I felt was unfairly criticized. He has always came exactly as advertised. Expecting a big, shutdown type Dman was never going to happen. Yes he's had a couple down years, but he's a very strong #2/#3 dman that most teams would count themselves lucky to have.
#44
So what now? Who do you start him against? Saturday/Sunday is your next back to back. Does he come back up and sit on the bench for the next two games and then face Detroit on Sunday?