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Quote from: Dappleganger on Today at 10:00:56 AMBuffalo has three solid young defensemen in Dahlin, Power, and Byron.

They could use a top-six winger. Maybe there is a fit there for Marner. It'd keep Marner pretty close to home.

I'd not trade him in division if it could be helped.
Toronto Blue Jays / Re: 2024 Blue Jays
Today at 08:51:32 AM
Quote from: L K on Today at 08:15:35 AMNext game, right back the same anemic offence.  2 hits.

They probably need to do something sooner or later.  I'm leaning more toward a tear down at this point but you can probably try it out at least one more year.  I'm not sure that either Bo or Vlad are good enough to build around even when they are playing well but the makeup of the roster needs to change

Garcia and Kikuchi should be good assets at the deadline to jump start things.  You still have the rotation mostly locked up for the next two years and this offseason the free agency class is solid.

I don't know much about the Jays prospect pipeline but this team has been nowhere close to anything for years. My friend called them Leafs of the turf, and I wonder if that's being generous.
I really don't see how the Oilers get it done with that goaltending and Bouchard has to come back down to earth.
Quote from: Joe on May 19, 2024, 08:29:08 AMhttps://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/rod-brindamour-staff-agree-to-extensions-with-hurricanes/

I think this more or less proves he was not a real option.

Nope, they had a deal in principle a while ago.
If Berube over achieves, great, if he flames out, great we get higher picks. I'm tired of losing in the first round, it's basically the worst part of the mushy middle. It's wild to me that people seem so change averse as if this roster has done anything but lose in the playoffs save for one flukey round.

I'd rather have had Bruce Cassidy but the whole roster needs a shakeup.
Quote from: Palmateer29 on May 17, 2024, 08:25:43 AMCarolina is out, does that make Brind"Amour available now?

Possibly but it feels like hitching our wagon to the hopes of Brindamour seems very dicey. He likes it in Carolina and I think if he's paid 80% of the value that he'd get with the Leafs he'd probably just stay. Who knows how long these negotiations could take...
Rangers moving on. Canes are slightly better Leafs of the Metro and Brindamour is sexy Keefe.

That first goal can't go in on Andersen.
Quote from: mr grieves on May 16, 2024, 12:49:56 PM
Quote from: Zee on May 15, 2024, 11:28:51 AM
Quote from: cabber24 on May 15, 2024, 10:52:05 AMIt's less about him, it's more about the reallocation of the salary cap. Tavares will not be paid 8 figures beyond next year so you choose one out of the remaining three 8-figure contracts to go and everyone is choosing Marner. They give their reasoning which is a shit-list of everything bad about him and it comes across as attacking him. The bullying of Marner by some is also done out of frustration and with the intention of pushing him out. I am okay with the bullying approach because management has not addressed the cap allocation issues and making life difficult for Marner may force their hand. If he's resigned, I don't see any of the results changing with this team.

The team's formula doesn't work and a reallocation is necessary.

Yeah, they've tried it with 50% of the cap tied up in 4 players, it's just not happening. If Tavares agrees to move and you retain $4M on his deal, that's $7M to go out and find a player or 2, if you get rid of Marner's 10.9 that's another player or 2. If you can reallocate 2 players and bring in 4 actual NHL better than average players you're talking, especially if one of them is a top 4 dman.

Ooooooor you wait a year and the cap, just through the passage of time (i.e. Tavares expiring), gets reallocated as:

Matthews @ 13.5
Nylander @ 11.5
Marner @ ...12?

That's $37M, and, on an ~$90M cap, it's just over 40%. That is, if I'm remembering last I checked accurately, a pretty normal looking allocation for a contending team.

I can see moving Marner in a hockey trade modeled on the Tkachuk or DuBois deal, but just moving him for cost-controlled parts and cap space seems odd, since the cost and cap pressures are considerably lessened after next season.

Does that mean you're not really "going for it" next year? Yeah. But it maximizes their chances in years 2-5 IMO.

I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with better balance throughout the lineup.
Quote from: Dappleganger on May 16, 2024, 01:41:02 PM
Quote from: Joe on May 16, 2024, 12:54:21 PMI'm not really adding anything meaningful here other than to say I'm personally in the camp of trading Marner just to get him off the team is a mistake. Unless the return is phenomenal, this will absolutely be one of those trades that is looked back on as a mistake.

I will say this, the problem with the Leafs these past 8 years has been playoff scoring? So, to remedy this problem they're going to get rid of the player that has the most playoff points the last 8 years?

It's pretty funny on the face of it.


Is it? Or does having a more rounded roster raise the tide more? Marner, in recent memory, has never turned it on when the chips are actually down. How many goals has Marner scored?
Quote from: Rob on May 16, 2024, 09:18:11 AM
Quote from: cabber24 on May 16, 2024, 08:58:16 AMHe was named playoff MVP and became the first OHL player to win both regular season and post-season MVP since Mitch Marner did it in 2016, also with the Knights...

I read an article comparing him to Marner, but more physical and willing to go into the corners. 

The thing with Marner is his D+1 numbers are absolutely crazy. I don't think Cowan hits the highs of Marner but seems to have more snarl.
Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Media Thread
May 16, 2024, 11:02:05 AM
Ugh, brutal. I grew up watching him on TSN. So young.
Quote from: louisstamos on May 16, 2024, 08:32:48 AMIn hindsight - how was this guy projected to go in the 3rd round by some people!?!?

Because development can be a crapshoot.
Quote from: Frank E on May 15, 2024, 05:55:12 PMI like the idea of getting some cheap bluey chip prospects that are already contributing, with a solid goalie, and looking at 24-25 as a reset of sorts? 

And if it all goes well, load up a little at the deadline, and if not, offload. 

And another thing...I'm not sold with Rielly as your horse on the blueline.

And another thing...if Bert and Domi want to come back, are we good with that?

Domi will want to. Bert I'm not too concerned about. He didn't pop the way we all thought.
Quote from: Frank E on May 15, 2024, 03:36:22 PM
Quote from: Bender on May 15, 2024, 03:21:08 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 15, 2024, 03:11:45 PMI don't think you'd see Nashville having to give up a 1st rounder on their side. Ultimately Marner for Saros mostly straight up feels kinda right, assuming both teams see each player in their best forms. Marner is a perennial 90-point winger with Selke potential, but is coming off (yet another) disappointing playoff run. Saros is a perennial Vezina-ish goalie, but is coming off his weakest season in awhile (was still good granted). Each have 1 year left on their deals before coming UFAs. Marner's AAV is more than double what Saros' is, which made me wonder if the Leafs would need to retain a little to even things up. But on the flip side if the deal is done after July 1st Marner's remaining salary is just a paltry $775k for the season, which may make Nashville content with the difference in cap hits.

Ultimately other things could get involved if there's a desire to make it bigger but as far as the one for one aspect I think the value is already pretty darn close.

I absolutely would not want to trade Marner for a goalie. I know we need one but Marner's our best trade chip and goalies are voodoo.

I get where you're coming from, but...

1.  The Leafs have F'd around with goalies for most of Dubas' tenure...wouldn't it be nice to have one that's been really good for a while?  Woll is good when he can play, but he can't play much.  They need a starter.
2.  In that proposed deal, you're getting some decent d-men as well, which they need.
3.  Marner is not the best trade chip the Leafs have.

He is the best trade chip the Leafs have in a real world trade scenario. They aren't trading AM or Willy.