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#11
Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: What Now?
Last post by caveman - February 03, 2023, 02:12:32 PM
Quote from: Arn on February 03, 2023, 04:02:17 AMI mean the season ends when the season ends.

That's why they call the playoffs the "post season". Because they're after the season. It's in the name.

I'd take performance in an 82 game sample as more representative of an overall performance level of a team than a playoff lottery.

and the Atlantic Division has been the toughest in recent years... 4 100 point teams last year.. there hasn't been a series that appeared to be a lock with the possible exception of the "crosscheck" series against Montreal...   
#12
Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leaf...
Last post by Bill33 - February 03, 2023, 01:19:33 PM
Quote from: RedLeaf on February 03, 2023, 09:33:48 AMI don't know about being a Canucks fan but I can certainly empathize with this poor guy, being a Leafs fan for 45 years now...

Russell Atkins wanted 6 Canucks to be his pallbearers 'SO THEY COULD LET HIM DOWN ONE MORE TIME'

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/frustrated-vancouver-canucks-fan-gets-the-last-laugh-in-his-obituary-1.6734775

I hope that when I get close to the end, I a) come up with something more original than an overused trope, and 2) have something less bitter on my observations of life.
#13
General NHL News & Views / Re: 2022-23 NHL Thread
Last post by Arn - February 03, 2023, 12:29:00 PM
Quote from: Bender on February 03, 2023, 09:19:42 AM
Quote from: Arn on February 03, 2023, 04:13:04 AMI'm not sure as people have intimated that a change of commissioner would make much difference.

The hard salary cap and parity are the things I kind of see as the main problems. I get the argument for cost control and so on, but I definitely think some kind of luxury tax system, or even something like the MLS system where you can pay 1 or 2 players "outside" the salary cap would have helped.

Can you imagine if there was some way in which McDavid and Matthews could end up on the same team? Surely that sells hockey better than Arizona being "competitive"?

And at the end of the day bad teams still can be bad and choose to tank. Chicago, Columbus, Anaheim, Arizona, San Jose, Montreal etc. are not competitive at all.

"Teams don't tank"
#14
Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leaf...
Last post by Highlander - February 03, 2023, 11:04:16 AM
Quote from: RedLeaf on February 03, 2023, 09:33:48 AMI don't know about being a Canucks fan but I can certainly empathize with this poor guy, being a Leafs fan for 45 years now...

Russell Atkins wanted 6 Canucks to be his pallbearers 'SO THEY COULD LET HIM DOWN ONE MORE TIME'

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/frustrated-vancouver-canucks-fan-gets-the-last-laugh-in-his-obituary-1.6734775

Good belly laugh, thanks for posting.
#15
General NHL News & Views / Re: 2022-23 NHL Thread
Last post by Deebo - February 03, 2023, 10:57:33 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 03, 2023, 10:31:41 AMUsing up all that cap space would just mean larger portions of player pay cheques go to escrow. The cap system is set up with the understanding that a number of teams won't hit the ceiling. Total player salaries are still capped at 50% of HRR, regardless of how much cap space is used - and, if all the cap space available was used, it would significantly exceed the 50% ceiling on total player salaries.

Under normal operations (no balance for the NHLPA to pay off). I beleive the midpoint between the floor and cap is based on 50% of revenues of the prior year. Then the PA decides to apply an inflator to the midpoint to account for possible revenue growth. The cap is 15% above that midpoint, and floor 15% below.
#16
Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: What Now?
Last post by hobarth - February 03, 2023, 10:52:29 AM
Quote from: Arn on February 03, 2023, 04:02:17 AMI mean the season ends when the season ends.

That's why they call the playoffs the "post season". Because they're after the season. It's in the name.

I'd take performance in an 82 game sample as more representative of an overall performance level of a team than a playoff lottery.

You can call a rose by any ....
#17
General NHL News & Views / Re: 2022-23 NHL Thread
Last post by bustaheims - February 03, 2023, 10:31:41 AM
Quote from: louisstamos on February 03, 2023, 10:09:55 AMFor me - if the NHL is adamant on a hard cap system, there is close to $80 million in unused cap around the league.  Have teams be able to trade their unused cap space.

It works threefold - the players like it because that means extra money spent on salaries that is not being used at the moment.  Cap ceiling teams can acquire cap in order to make trades/improve their team.  Cap floor teams can get assets back for cap space they probably aren't going to use anyway (or cash, but I doubt the NHL would ever allow that).

Using up all that cap space would just mean larger portions of player pay cheques go to escrow. The cap system is set up with the understanding that a number of teams won't hit the ceiling. Total player salaries are still capped at 50% of HRR, regardless of how much cap space is used - and, if all the cap space available was used, it would significantly exceed the 50% ceiling on total player salaries.

It would help the teams in terms of making deals and acquiring assets, but it wouldn't be beneficial to the players' bank accounts.
#18
General NHL News & Views / Re: 2022-23 NHL Thread
Last post by louisstamos - February 03, 2023, 10:09:55 AM
For me - if the NHL is adamant on a hard cap system, there is close to $80 million in unused cap around the league.  Have teams be able to trade their unused cap space.

It works threefold - the players like it because that means extra money spent on salaries that is not being used at the moment.  Cap ceiling teams can acquire cap in order to make trades/improve their team.  Cap floor teams can get assets back for cap space they probably aren't going to use anyway (or cash, but I doubt the NHL would ever allow that).
#19
Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leaf...
Last post by RedLeaf - February 03, 2023, 09:33:48 AM
I don't know about being a Canucks fan but I can certainly empathize with this poor guy, being a Leafs fan for 45 years now...

Russell Atkins wanted 6 Canucks to be his pallbearers 'SO THEY COULD LET HIM DOWN ONE MORE TIME'

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/frustrated-vancouver-canucks-fan-gets-the-last-laugh-in-his-obituary-1.6734775
#20
General NHL News & Views / Re: 2022-23 NHL Thread
Last post by Bender - February 03, 2023, 09:19:42 AM
Quote from: Arn on February 03, 2023, 04:13:04 AMI'm not sure as people have intimated that a change of commissioner would make much difference.

The hard salary cap and parity are the things I kind of see as the main problems. I get the argument for cost control and so on, but I definitely think some kind of luxury tax system, or even something like the MLS system where you can pay 1 or 2 players "outside" the salary cap would have helped.

Can you imagine if there was some way in which McDavid and Matthews could end up on the same team? Surely that sells hockey better than Arizona being "competitive"?

And at the end of the day bad teams still can be bad and choose to tank. Chicago, Columbus, Anaheim, Arizona, San Jose, Montreal etc. are not competitive at all.