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#1
Toronto Blue Jays / Re: 2024 Blue Jays
Yesterday at 10:32:08 AM
Martinez suspended, 80 games. FFS.
#2
Quote from: Joe on June 18, 2024, 07:10:47 AMListening to the FAN morning show about this tweet and their bottom line is if the leafs re-sign Marner they are the biggest joke franchise in the history of sports. That's what they said.

It's fun being a leafs fan.

Funny, First Up said if they don't resign him, and let him walk, which is 100% up to Marner, that's the worst scenario possible. I guess we're a joke to matter what happens.

It's fun being a Leafs fan.
#4
All Sports But Hockey / Re: The Cricket Thread
June 10, 2024, 03:14:41 PM
Good that they got one win! I don't know a lot about cricket, but I'm pretty sure India and Pakistan are both pretty good at it!
#5
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 10, 2024, 03:00:09 PM
Quote from: Bill_Berg on June 10, 2024, 02:33:59 PM
Quote from: L K on June 10, 2024, 02:22:23 PM
Quote from: Bill_Berg on June 10, 2024, 01:53:23 PMMirtle also said mutual interest between Laurent Brossoit and the Leafs. He would be my first choice in the absence of an opportunity to get a solid #1.

I'm stealing content from looking at a Reddit feed but his twitter feed is ummm....a bit of a culture shift for the Leafs to go into that kind of belief system.  It's very Alex Jones/Andrew Tate forward.

I can't find what you may be referring to. His Twitter feed seems to be fine. Not many posts but still shows him as a Golden Knight. I don't see any conspiracy stuff at all.

Just checked, his list of followers is what LK would be referring to. I've learned to generally just accept that lots if not most hockey players will have opinions out there that I strongly disagree with. Like Bertuzzi's "life choice" over choosing not to get a certain something doesn't change how I felt about him as a hockey player ultimately, same goes for players following certain politicians or influencers really now. Openly being an infowars guy is probably where I'd draw the line though. Go Stolarz, I guess.

Ug, wish I didn't know that now lol.
#6
Quote from: L K on June 10, 2024, 02:22:23 PM
Quote from: Bill_Berg on June 10, 2024, 01:53:23 PMMirtle also said mutual interest between Laurent Brossoit and the Leafs. He would be my first choice in the absence of an opportunity to get a solid #1.

I'm stealing content from looking at a Reddit feed but his twitter feed is ummm....a bit of a culture shift for the Leafs to go into that kind of belief system.  It's very Alex Jones/Andrew Tate forward.

I can't find what you may be referring to. His Twitter feed seems to be fine. Not many posts but still shows him as a Golden Knight. I don't see any conspiracy stuff at all.
#7
Mirtle also said mutual interest between Laurent Brossoit and the Leafs. He would be my first choice in the absence of an opportunity to get a solid #1.
#8
Quote from: Bender on June 07, 2024, 12:11:14 PM
Quote from: Dappleganger on June 07, 2024, 12:01:47 PM
Quote from: Zee on June 07, 2024, 11:59:04 AM
Quote from: Dappleganger on June 07, 2024, 08:15:23 AMYetis... the plural of Yeti is Yetis. How did they get this wrong?


What's the plural of Leaf?

Leafs, obviously...

😅


Nerd Alert: It actually is grammatically correct, as we're talking about members in a regiment and not actual tree leaves.

Leafs is a valid word in Wordle! It's my starting word every time.
#9
Quote from: A Weekend at Bernier's on June 07, 2024, 09:34:45 AMI just wanted to chime in on the Marner debate: the reason it's such a polarizing topic is that there's really no win for the Leafs here.  As Herman has pointed out - and advocated directly last year at this time - the time to have traded Marner and tried to maximize his value was pre-July 1 2023.  Dubas' failed usurping of Shanahan, Treliving's newness, and (what I am beginning to conclude) Shanahan's incompetence scuttled that.  Now, you're left with slim to slimmer pickings: maybe trade Marner for fractional return or keep him and either a) overpay add another NMC, thereby guaranteeing double-digit years of a facsimilie of the previous 8, or, b) lose him for nothing but the cap space.

If it's b), then even a dumb-dumb like myself would say a fractional return is better than no return at all (X > 0).

A) cannot be an option, in my opinion, and that ship may have sailed anyway.

All of the arguments made about Marner and his performance, playing under a new coach, the Yzerman age-32 effect and all that are spot-on, as are the counter-arguments made about balancing the roster, Marner's lack of big-game gumption, etc.  But, to me, it comes down to swallowing the poison pill now - maybe with a spoonful of sugar - or next year with a cod liver oil chaser (sorry, I just made that up).

I don't think signing Marner guarantees double-digit years of a facsimile of the previous 8. I can get behind the 45 mill for 4 forwards is a bad thing right now, but they lose JT after next year and the cap is finally going up. Cancel the cap freeze for those years and maybe 45 mill for 4 forwards doesn't look so bad.
#10
And don't forget, they gotta save money for McDavid in 2026!
#11
Quote from: cw on June 06, 2024, 01:49:27 PM
Quote from: Bill_Berg on June 06, 2024, 01:02:46 PM
Quote from: cw on June 06, 2024, 12:07:03 PM
Quote from: cabber24 on June 06, 2024, 11:18:53 AM
Quote from: Joe on June 06, 2024, 11:05:21 AMHaving lived through the Sundin era, and so have pretty much all of you, the willingness to throw away such a talented player is baffling to me.

Just imagine if Sundin had just one of Nylander, Marner or Matthews on his teams.

I'm 100% with cw on this one, supporting cast and goaltending are what need to be addressed.

It's absolutely pathetic that the leafs haven't drafted and developed a star goalie since Potvin. And the one they did they punted in what I call the worst trade in franchise history.

Anyway a few mini rants there.
How do you pay for the Goalie and D needed when you have 4 guys making 8-figures up front? It's not Marner, it's the ridiculous unbalance of spending on this team. You wouldn't trade him for a top D man and more cap towards a decent goalie?

They have $19.4 mil in cap space this season
and between $40-50 mil next season.
They have more cap space/roster spot than many of the contenders.

Potentially. they can get 2 decent UFA dmen this summer with a decent backup.
Next summer there might be some decent UFA goalies available if they need them.

They have to look at things like that because it is too late to draft and develop much to help Matthews Cup runs in the next 4 years. They're past "ideal world roster development". The window for winning with Matthews et al is probably closing in the next few years. So that is how they have to look at it.

Instead of burning draft picks at the deadline, they should over pay a little to get some young economical guys on the roster who will be able to contribute in the near future. Roll the future assets into the present - but not with assets that are gone July 1. Get some more mileage out of younger players.

The other thing they can do, as I've mentioned before, is use some of MLSE money to beat the bushes all over the planet to try and find a couple of economical guys like Benoit & McMann to help make up for their lack of prospects/picks.

I do not think it is rocket science to figure this out. The circumstances are fairly clear. I'm sure Leafs management is way ahead of me on this. They know. It is not that hard. To me, aside from the burning of draft picks on rentals, I like their position for the next 2 seasons - particularly '25-26.

19 million for 2 top D, a solid backup, and fill out the forwards? I dunno. That leaves a potential giant hole in net.

Didn't put much thought into this but...

Montour 8 million
Pesce 5 million
Brossoit 3? million

Doesn't leave much for Domi, Betuzzi, or their replacements.

That is part of the reason why I like '25-26 better ...
Because they probably need 2 UFA summers and that cap space to fix it all.
Cowan and Minten should be more serviceable on the roster by that time.

Walker (4.7)/Tanev (4.7) instead of Montour/Pesce saves some dough for Domi
But if Domi wants $5-6 mil as LeBrun reported, I would pass.
Put Minten in instead and add maybe Haakanpaa (1.5) as the 6th RD

They need to take Bertuzzi's $5 mil and plough it into their D.

Yes, 25-26 is much better. Especially if they still have Marner at 11ish. Just hold out one more year. I'm not sure what the UFA class is for 2025, but maybe if they get just Montour this year, or at least 1 legit top pair guy, then they get the second top pair guy after JT is gone. That leaves room for a top six forward and goalie this year.
#12
Quote from: cw on June 06, 2024, 12:07:03 PM
Quote from: cabber24 on June 06, 2024, 11:18:53 AM
Quote from: Joe on June 06, 2024, 11:05:21 AMHaving lived through the Sundin era, and so have pretty much all of you, the willingness to throw away such a talented player is baffling to me.

Just imagine if Sundin had just one of Nylander, Marner or Matthews on his teams.

I'm 100% with cw on this one, supporting cast and goaltending are what need to be addressed.

It's absolutely pathetic that the leafs haven't drafted and developed a star goalie since Potvin. And the one they did they punted in what I call the worst trade in franchise history.

Anyway a few mini rants there.
How do you pay for the Goalie and D needed when you have 4 guys making 8-figures up front? It's not Marner, it's the ridiculous unbalance of spending on this team. You wouldn't trade him for a top D man and more cap towards a decent goalie?

They have $19.4 mil in cap space this season
and between $40-50 mil next season.
They have more cap space/roster spot than many of the contenders.

Potentially. they can get 2 decent UFA dmen this summer with a decent backup.
Next summer there might be some decent UFA goalies available if they need them.

They have to look at things like that because it is too late to draft and develop much to help Matthews Cup runs in the next 4 years. They're past "ideal world roster development". The window for winning with Matthews et al is probably closing in the next few years. So that is how they have to look at it.

Instead of burning draft picks at the deadline, they should over pay a little to get some young economical guys on the roster who will be able to contribute in the near future. Roll the future assets into the present - but not with assets that are gone July 1. Get some more mileage out of younger players.

The other thing they can do, as I've mentioned before, is use some of MLSE money to beat the bushes all over the planet to try and find a couple of economical guys like Benoit & McMann to help make up for their lack of prospects/picks.

I do not think it is rocket science to figure this out. The circumstances are fairly clear. I'm sure Leafs management is way ahead of me on this. They know. It is not that hard. To me, aside from the burning of draft picks on rentals, I like their position for the next 2 seasons - particularly '25-26.

19 million for 2 top D, a solid backup, and fill out the forwards? I dunno. That leaves a potential giant hole in net.

Didn't put much thought into this but...

Montour 8 million
Pesce 5 million
Brossoit 3? million

Doesn't leave much for Domi, Betuzzi, or their replacements.



#14
Quote from: Joe on June 06, 2024, 11:20:41 AM
Quote from: Bill_Berg on June 06, 2024, 11:17:39 AMIf they do trade Marner, Leaf fans will have driven another star out of town and it will be all our fault. All of us, cause to the rest of the world, every single Leaf fan is the exact same in every way.

Just to be clear, from my perspective I don't think the fans play a role in what the leafs decide to do or try to do, and if they do then that's stupid.

My comment is just the general comments from fans who just want to toss him to the curb.

Your comment is based on logic. I'm talking about the false narrative that will surely arise: Leaf fans drove Marner out of town because we're all dumb and don't appreciate what we've got.

I do agree with Cabber that there is too much money allocated to the forwards and not enough left for D and a goalie. Now maybe that's not fixable this year with what's available, but it's undoubtedly a problem. Marner is the only one of the core four that could even possibly be moved, that's why the narrative is around him.
#15
If they do trade Marner, Leaf fans will have driven another star out of town and it will be all our fault. All of us, cause to the rest of the world, every single Leaf fan is the exact same in every way.