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#1
Quote from: Highlander on Yesterday at 02:40:51 PMShanahan had to be there. Ultimately he is the boss.

He wasn't at the presser when they hired Keefe, it was only Dubas
#2
Steve Simmons is one of the dumbest MOFO reporters out there.  His question to Berube "a coach is only as good as his goaltender.  Who is your goaltender?"

It's literally the first day on the job in the offseason.  Who the hell can answer that question?
#3
Yeah, it was Brad's decision to hire Berube, so why is Shanahan at the press conference?
#4
What time is the intro presser?
#5
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on Yesterday at 07:22:32 AM
Quote from: Zee on Yesterday at 07:08:51 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 20, 2024, 08:53:58 PMI'd argue the Vegas one with Theodore + a 1st is actually pretty good for the Leafs. So much so that it's actually probably unrealistic for Vegas to offer. The Arizona/Utah one is definitely comically bad.  The Chicago and New Jersey ones are bad as is but one extra piece from either team could make them doable.

I also like the Vegas one. There's hope there cause Vegas isn't shy to make big trades and they lost early this year. Marner might be ok to go there cause they're a contender

Yeah I just don't know if they're looking to add another $10mil+ player. They need to shed salary more than anything right now actually.

They can and they will.
#6
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 20, 2024, 08:53:58 PMI'd argue the Vegas one with Theodore + a 1st is actually pretty good for the Leafs. So much so that it's actually probably unrealistic for Vegas to offer. The Arizona/Utah one is definitely comically bad.  The Chicago and New Jersey ones are bad as is but one extra piece from either team could make them doable.

I also like the Vegas one. There's hope there cause Vegas isn't shy to make big trades and they lost early this year. Marner might be ok to go there cause they're a contender
#7
Quote from: Frank E on May 17, 2024, 05:04:30 PM
Quote from: Zee on May 17, 2024, 04:34:30 PMAh yes, Shanahan's "exhaustive search" that interviewed 2 people and hired the guy everyone predicted for a couple of months

1. Tre hires the GM.
2. There are a lot of vacancies right now, so you move quickly.
3. Did you have in mind a better alternative?

I think he's got the experience to deal with the egos, he's got the street cred, and honestly I think our boys need a shit kicking once in a while that a guy like Berube can dole out. 

There's a new sheriff in town, and I'm OK with that.  From what I read, he can do the job well.


Tre doesn't do anything without Shanahan's blessing.

After claiming they would take their time with the hire, they literally hired a guy in 1 week. The coaching job in Toronto is coveted, they wouldn't have had a shortage of candidates despite all the vacancies, Berube basically told Ottawa he was waiting on the Leafs.
#8
Ah yes, Shanahan's "exhaustive search" that interviewed 2 people and hired the guy everyone predicted for a couple of months
#9
Hope Berube hires Alexander Godynyuk and Tom Fergus as assistants. Bring back some ex-Leafs power
#10
Quote from: cabber24 on May 17, 2024, 11:41:38 AM
Quote from: mr grieves on May 16, 2024, 12:49:56 PM
Quote from: Zee on May 15, 2024, 11:28:51 AM
Quote from: cabber24 on May 15, 2024, 10:52:05 AMIt's less about him, it's more about the reallocation of the salary cap. Tavares will not be paid 8 figures beyond next year so you choose one out of the remaining three 8-figure contracts to go and everyone is choosing Marner. They give their reasoning which is a shit-list of everything bad about him and it comes across as attacking him. The bullying of Marner by some is also done out of frustration and with the intention of pushing him out. I am okay with the bullying approach because management has not addressed the cap allocation issues and making life difficult for Marner may force their hand. If he's resigned, I don't see any of the results changing with this team.

The team's formula doesn't work and a reallocation is necessary.

Yeah, they've tried it with 50% of the cap tied up in 4 players, it's just not happening. If Tavares agrees to move and you retain $4M on his deal, that's $7M to go out and find a player or 2, if you get rid of Marner's 10.9 that's another player or 2. If you can reallocate 2 players and bring in 4 actual NHL better than average players you're talking, especially if one of them is a top 4 dman.


Ooooooor you wait a year and the cap, just through the passage of time (i.e. Tavares expiring), gets reallocated as:

Matthews @ 13.5
Nylander @ 11.5
Marner @ ...12?

That's $37M, and, on an ~$90M cap, it's just over 40%. That is, if I'm remembering last I checked accurately, a pretty normal looking allocation for a contending team.

I can see moving Marner in a hockey trade modeled on the Tkachuk or DuBois deal, but just moving him for cost-controlled parts and cap space seems odd, since the cost and cap pressures are considerably lessened after next season.

Does that mean you're not really "going for it" next year? Yeah. But it maximizes their chances in years 2-5 IMO.
I would rather have Tavares at a reasonable number and reallocate the MM16 cap to D and G.

It's a trickle down affect.  The Leafs tying up $40M in forwards would be fine if all of those forwards just took over playoff series, but more often than not that doesn't happen.  By spreading the money around more evenly throughout the roster, you have a better chance of having good players further down the lineup that may make a difference for you.  Also, having big money on a defenseman that can reliably play 25-30 minutes in big pressure situations goes a LONG way in winning games.  It's no surprise that the most successful teams usually have 1 really good stud d-man.  The Leafs have Rielly who is offense only, not as impactful as a true superstar like Makar or Heiskanen.

Looking back on their draft, it's crazy that Heiskanen and Makar went 3-4.  If you redraft that year they'd be 1-2.
#11
OK you guys have convinced me, let's just re-hire Keefe.
#12
Quote from: mr grieves on May 16, 2024, 12:49:56 PM
Quote from: Zee on May 15, 2024, 11:28:51 AM
Quote from: cabber24 on May 15, 2024, 10:52:05 AMIt's less about him, it's more about the reallocation of the salary cap. Tavares will not be paid 8 figures beyond next year so you choose one out of the remaining three 8-figure contracts to go and everyone is choosing Marner. They give their reasoning which is a shit-list of everything bad about him and it comes across as attacking him. The bullying of Marner by some is also done out of frustration and with the intention of pushing him out. I am okay with the bullying approach because management has not addressed the cap allocation issues and making life difficult for Marner may force their hand. If he's resigned, I don't see any of the results changing with this team.

The team's formula doesn't work and a reallocation is necessary.

Yeah, they've tried it with 50% of the cap tied up in 4 players, it's just not happening. If Tavares agrees to move and you retain $4M on his deal, that's $7M to go out and find a player or 2, if you get rid of Marner's 10.9 that's another player or 2. If you can reallocate 2 players and bring in 4 actual NHL better than average players you're talking, especially if one of them is a top 4 dman.


Ooooooor you wait a year and the cap, just through the passage of time (i.e. Tavares expiring), gets reallocated as:

Matthews @ 13.5
Nylander @ 11.5
Marner @ ...12?

That's $37M, and, on an ~$90M cap, it's just over 40%. That is, if I'm remembering last I checked accurately, a pretty normal looking allocation for a contending team.

I can see moving Marner in a hockey trade modeled on the Tkachuk or DuBois deal, but just moving him for cost-controlled parts and cap space seems odd, since the cost and cap pressures are considerably lessened after next season.

Does that mean you're not really "going for it" next year? Yeah. But it maximizes their chances in years 2-5 IMO.

$37M on your top 3 players (all forwards) is not a normal allocation for a contending team.

Here's a list of contending teams, or teams who have recently won cups.  Notice all of them have either a defenseman or a a goalie in their top 3 of salary allocation.  Not one of those teams goes over 31M in cap space for 3 players.

Dallas: 27.8M (Seguin, Benn, Heiskanen)
Colorado : 30.83M (MacKinnon, Rantanen, Makar)
Florida: 29.5M (Barkov,Tkahchuk, Bobrovsky)
Vegas: 28.3M (Eichel, Stone, Pietrangelo)
Tampa: 28.5 (Kucherov, Point, Vasilevskiy)
#14
Quote from: herman on May 15, 2024, 11:58:21 AM
Quote from: Zee on May 15, 2024, 11:28:51 AMIf Tavares agrees to move and you retain $4M on his deal, that's $7M to go out and find a player or 2, if you get rid of Marner's 10.9 that's another player or 2.

They have NMCs so you're not going to just get straight cap dumps for future considerations. Anyone they're willing to waive to be traded to will also be sending cap hits back as they're likely in their contention windows.

Right, I wasn't suggesting they are gone as cap dumps, but they have to target getting different types of players back based on their cap hits.  You're not getting back an 11 million dollar player in a Marner deal, so who knows what type of d-man or forward you get.  If they're in the 6-7million range you still have a few million to use to get someone else.
#15
Quote from: bustaheims on May 15, 2024, 11:28:38 AM
Quote from: Zee on May 15, 2024, 11:24:34 AM
Quote from: herman on May 15, 2024, 10:18:13 AMBerube met with the Jets yesterday after two days of meetings with the Leafs over the weekend. Friedman, on today's 32T pod, believes Berube is the front runner for Toronto.

He met with the Jets on a Zoom call, not exactly over the moon for that job I guess

Jets are mostly doing their due diligence before handing the job to Arniel.

They balked on Berube when he asked if he can work remotely if he's coach.