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#1
Quote from: bustaheims on Yesterday at 08:33:08 PM
Quote from: cw on Yesterday at 01:24:10 PMHockey News: Report: Maple Leafs Told Nick Robertson Loan to Marlies Isn't Play Related, Shouldn't Expect Long Stay
QuoteDuring Sportsnet's Saturday Headlines, Elliotte Friedman reported that Robertson being sent to the Marlies was only to make room for the incoming forward, and wasn't a result of his play.

"The Maple Leafs informed Robertson this was purely because he doesn't need waivers and he shouldn't expect a long stay in the American Hockey League. He's still in their plans to come back this season," Friedman reported.

Not sure whether to read that as in 'more moves coming' or 'it won't be long until the deadline ...'



A little column A. A lot column B. I'm sure they're trying to make more moves, but those can't be guaranteed. But, at most, he's down there for the week.

They sent LaJoie down with Robertson.
LaJoie dressed for the Marlies. Robertson didn't.

Maybe they don't want Robertson hurt before they trade him ... ?
Hard to believe he would sit in the AHL but not play until the deadline.
Maybe he needed to cool off ...

It is very questionable whether they have a spot for him in the top 12.
Wouldn't surprise me if they were looking for a good PK forward.
Maybe he's the trade bait for that.

Lots of possibilities and he's vulnerable
#2
Hockey News: Report: Maple Leafs Told Nick Robertson Loan to Marlies Isn't Play Related, Shouldn't Expect Long Stay
QuoteDuring Sportsnet's Saturday Headlines, Elliotte Friedman reported that Robertson being sent to the Marlies was only to make room for the incoming forward, and wasn't a result of his play.

"The Maple Leafs informed Robertson this was purely because he doesn't need waivers and he shouldn't expect a long stay in the American Hockey League. He's still in their plans to come back this season," Friedman reported.

Not sure whether to read that as in 'more moves coming' or 'it won't be long until the deadline ...'

#3
Quote from: Dappleganger on Yesterday at 10:03:54 AM
Quote from: herman on Yesterday at 09:35:05 AMhttps://twitter.com/sportsnet/status/1764159155886075923

That was beautiful.

I loved the finish

They're so deked out, all he has to do is casually slide it in the goal as they helplessly look on
#4
Quote from: herman on Yesterday at 12:19:38 PMhttps://twitter.com/josephdzita/status/1764152317106889030
Always fun to see the Leafs win after getting jobbed by the stripes.

Rules should also try to minimize people having to make judgement calls on intention. Just call every penalty with less than 2 min remaining in OT as an auto penalty shot. Avoids more shootouts. Refs will stow their whistles anyway on most contact plays but delay of game infractions and bench minors are pretty cut and dry.

Another grievance

https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/1764107654060724358

You can pause that video and then click through it

Rempe's head and body start upward considerably before he made contact - showing that he was sort of jumping into the hit - moving upwards - that the hit didn't exclusively make him go up because he was already moving upwards  before he made contact
Both skates look off the ice before he made contact
Unlike Rielly's crosscheck, he injured Lyubushkin

Where were the refs and where is the league discipline on this?
#5

Keefe confirmed Lyubushkin head injury and complained Rempe left his feet

He thought Tavares line had a good night. Jarnkrok had a lot of energy
He thought Nylander responded well to the benching
He felt that line and I guess Matthews line had let ups on the two goals against b4 the 6 on 5
He thought Samsonov had no chance on the 6 on 5 goal and got better as the game went along
#7
Rielly tied Tim Horton for 3rd all time in Leafs dman scoring on that last goal
#8
Rempe left his feet on his hit on Lyubushkin
I thought that was pretty obvious
Lyubushkin may have a head injury ...
#9
Quote from: azzurri63 on March 02, 2024, 07:32:11 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on March 02, 2024, 07:25:50 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 02, 2024, 07:23:17 PM
Quote from: azzurri63 on March 02, 2024, 07:16:30 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 02, 2024, 07:02:58 PM
Quote from: cw on March 02, 2024, 05:23:01 PMDear Bobby McMann,

In your brief NHL career, it is probably not going to get much better than this:
McMann-Tavares-Jarnkrok

Credit Keefe for giving you the chance.

Make it count!

Right on point.

Meanwhile Robertson keeps getting f'd. If I was him I'd ask for a trade.

He's scored like 1 goal in the last umpteen games, if I'm not mistaken.  He's been OK, not spectacular.  I personally think he's just too small to ever really make it.
He was 6th in points produced at 5v5 per 60. He was 5th in goals produced at 5v5 per 60 and he doesn't play with Matthews Marner Nylander and just started with JT.  So he's out produced Knies, Bert, Jarnkrok with worse linemates


Ya but he's not the only one like GT has stated. Bertuzzi has scored as many goals in the last 2 weeks than he had all season and only 4 more than Nick with more games, ice time and better linemates. Robertson just seems to be the one who seems to get the shaft and it's not only this season. I personally think it must be hard for his confidence when he seems to be the odd man out all the time.

Robertson is the only one who can go down without waivers.
Someone else would have had to go on waivers otherwise.
They didn't want to lose a player on waivers.
#10
Quote from: princedpw on March 01, 2024, 10:55:43 PM
Quote from: cw on March 01, 2024, 09:22:41 PM
Quote from: Highlander on March 01, 2024, 07:57:08 PMTimmy may be traded. He is our best chip without giving up the 1st, Mintin, Cowan, Neimala etc.
I love the guy but Keefe is not sold. And Athletic keeps saying its is time for them to make a decision.

After the trouble they have been going through to land a RH D last summer and this deadline, and after how well he filled in for Rielly during his suspension, I would be shocked. It would have to be one heck of a deal. Developing dmen takes time, he's just starting to hit that window when young dmen start to get good at age 24. He's a RFA so they have some contract control. I think he's worth more than any of these "1st, Mintin, Cowan, Neimala". They have a window to win with Matthews et al. He can help now and every year going forward. Those others can't.


This is perhaps neither here nor there but Minten seems vastly overrated by our fan base.  I barely pay attention but he just doesn't appear to score enough to be anything more than a replacement-level player.  Am I wrong?  Right now, it looks like he is barely scoring over a point per game in junior a year after his draft. Shouldn't he be scoring at 1.5-2points per game to be considered a viable 2nd line player in the long run?

And if he's not there then can't he be replaced by a random nobody?

Cowan on the other hand is scoring at that 2ppg level in junior and hence seems viable...

I know points aren't everything — but low ppg seems like a negative indicator ... as in if you don't score enough in junior you'll never be able to win your minutes in the nhl.

There have been a number of studies to project various league scoring results to what one might expect in the NHL. It varies over time as scoring in the leagues goes up and down. KHL or AHL scoring isn't as big a leap as CHL for example, etc. It also hinges on what age the player is in his development. Their ppg typically climbs substantially from their early CHL years until their last season.

If you are a forward scoring 1 ppg in the CHL at Minten's age - as Minten roughly is over his career, that projects to scoring at a considerably lower rate in the NHL. (seemingly a statement of the obvious). I would not describe it as 'low'. Mitch Marner was about 1.67ppg over his OHL career.

If it were really reliable and precise, they wouldn't need scouts. But they need scouts.

PPG is a consideration when looking at Minton and I'm sure it was included in projecting him as high as a 2.5 center that I've seen - between 2nd & 3rd line. His smarts and highly regarded defensive ability don't show up in those ppg stats. Also his entry level deal provides a better price performance for the cap. Being named Captain of WJC Team Canada is worthy of some recognition.

I think he has enhanced value. They would probably have to spend $1+M more per season to get as good a 3rd line center in a yr+. And he can help when Matthews-Marner-Nylander are trying to win it all. He may need a year in the AHL ... We'll see. To me that is worth more than a 1st rounder.

Cowan is harder to pin down. He took off in that last year. Looks like he can score at a top 6 clip. I don't know how he'll do against bigger, stronger players. His PKing is a big plus. I also think he's worth more than a 1st rounder now.

When I'm equating 'more than a 1st rounder', I'm not thinking about what another team would pay for him. I'm thinking about what a 1st rounder would do for the Leafs during Matthews-Marner-Nylander years trying to go for it. A 2026 first rounder may not be NHL ready before Matthews deal expires.
#11
Quote from: Guilt Trip on March 02, 2024, 05:12:21 PM
Quote from: herman on March 02, 2024, 05:06:10 PMhttps://twitter.com/leafspr/status/1764048102460207163
Making use of Robertson's waiver exemption until the deadline passes.
Looks that way. If no one was waiver exempt, I think Gregor would have been on waivers.

I think so too.
They're keeping depth for the playoffs - if Gregor survives the trade deadline
#12
Dear Bobby McMann,

In your brief NHL career, it is probably not going to get much better than this:
McMann-Tavares-Jarnkrok

Credit Keefe for giving you the chance.

Make it count!
#13
Quote from: Highlander on March 01, 2024, 07:57:08 PMTimmy may be traded. He is our best chip without giving up the 1st, Mintin, Cowan, Neimala etc.
I love the guy but Keefe is not sold. And Athletic keeps saying its is time for them to make a decision.

After the trouble they have been going through to land a RH D last summer and this deadline, and after how well he filled in for Rielly during his suspension, I would be shocked. It would have to be one heck of a deal. Developing dmen takes time, he's just starting to hit that window when young dmen start to get good at age 24. He's a RFA so they have some contract control. I think he's worth more than any of these "1st, Mintin, Cowan, Neimala". They have a window to win with Matthews et al. He can help now and every year going forward. Those others can't.
#14
Quote from: cabber24 on March 01, 2024, 04:42:39 PM
Quote from: cw on March 01, 2024, 03:58:23 PM

Several Leafs comment on Lyubushkin
So does Keefe & Treliving

Treliving & Keefe also provide update on Giordano

Treliving still looking at ways to improve the team
Defense, forwards, "we have 3 goaltenders today, we'll see what tomorrow brings"
Is that goalie quote really from Treliving? I doubt any team looking for a goalie has a today Dman available.

It is towards the end of his press scrum

He didn't say he was getting a dman with a goalie

He was asked what the team was looking for now that they had got Lyubushkin

He was saying he was considering any position to improve his club.
The 3 goalie remark seemed to imply he might not keep all three but it was not definitive. He might keep all three. He could easily flip a goalie for a pick for example (he didn't say that but he did say they might not have three after today yet maybe they will).
A fair amount of smoke for the media.
But notable that he mentioned the three goalies may not be something they stay with.
That may be tied to what sort of a deal they might come up with. Maybe they'll need roster or cap room ...
And maybe they'll do nothing.
#15

Several Leafs comment on Lyubushkin
So does Keefe & Treliving

Treliving & Keefe also provide update on Giordano

Treliving still looking at ways to improve the team
Defense, forwards, "we have 3 goaltenders today, we'll see what tomorrow brings"