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#4351
Quote from: Zee on January 13, 2012, 10:19:33 AM
The bottom line for me is, Burke put this team together (along with help from all his advisors Nonis etc) and he's not about to suddenly screw it up.  This is all part of his long term vision.  He's stock piled young assets, build a good core currently, and is now looking to get better.  I have full trust in whatever trades he's contemplating.  I'm glad he's our GM and not a nutjob like Gauthier.

I like Burke too, but I also liked Fletcher (the first time around), and he got to the point where he did too much changing and it destroyed the team.  The year he brought in guys like Hogue, Ridley, and Muller all in one year was really the start of the downfall for a team that had been pretty good the previous two years. 

I will admit, I am not much of a JVR.  I'm not sure why.
#4352
Quote from: Corn Flake on January 13, 2012, 09:36:49 AM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on January 13, 2012, 09:26:10 AM
What if a Van Reimsdyk deal is a precursor to a bigger deal?  In that it allows him to trade a Kulemin or a MacArthur? 

If that's the case though, why make the deal?  It's not like this roster still needs to be completely overhauled.  I guess if the sum of the parts coming in is greater than the sum of the parts going out then it makes sense, but what if it screws up the team chemistry?

While I agree you don't want to tarnish what they have, is what they have capable of truly doing damage in the East in the playoffs?  Not really, IMO.  They could surprise but they aren't contenders.

Thinking long-term, moves and/or time are still needed to get this team where it needs to be.  I don't think you can look at the good camaraderie this team has and allow that to take priority over the right trades to take it to the next level.

I agree that you always wanting to be moving forward and trying to build the best team that you can, but I worry that if too much is done this year then it may screw up a chance to make the playoffs.  While they may go out in the first round, making the playoffs would give some experience to this young team.
#4353
What if a Van Reimsdyk deal is a precursor to a bigger deal?  In that it allows him to trade a Kulemin or a MacArthur? 

If that's the case though, why make the deal?  It's not like this roster still needs to be completely overhauled.  I guess if the sum of the parts coming in is greater than the sum of the parts going out then it makes sense, but what if it screws up the team chemistry?
#4354
Quote from: Saint Nik on January 13, 2012, 06:17:43 AM
Quote from: Sarge on January 13, 2012, 04:31:13 AM
No, there's probably a bunch of other reasons why players take issue with Gomez, Kovalchuk, and Heatley. My post was about Phaneuf exclusively.

Oh yeah. I forgot we're on a quest to make this poll about anything other than a large chunk of NHL players thinking that Phaneuf is overrated.

Well, why stop there? I bet, secretly, there are a lot of guys in the league who wish they had a bigger forehead and are punishing Phaneuf for his good fortune.

Is that a euphemism?
#4355
Quote from: Tigger on January 12, 2012, 10:10:09 PM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on January 12, 2012, 09:59:47 PM
Quote from: Tigger on January 12, 2012, 09:21:20 PM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on January 12, 2012, 09:17:18 PM
Quote from: Sarge on January 12, 2012, 06:18:40 PM
Not sure why Brophy felt the need to come to Phaneuf's  defence but he sure does here;

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2012/01/12/brophy_phaneuf/

Not from the article but I'm thinking a key reason why some of NHL players are likely to point to Phaneuf as "overrated" is that he hits like a truck. He rubs guys out and is as physical as they come anywhere one ice. He plays a style of game that I think irritates people enough where they want to fight him and the's the problem. - Phaneuf usually won't. I'll bet there are scores of guys with Phaneuf on their "most wanted list". - Agree?/Disagree?   

Edit: Anyway, I'm not sure if those 23% really understood the question. Or maybe some of them did. I don't know.... and I don't enve know why I'm spending so much time on this or why it's bothering me or rather, letting it bother me. Like I said, the whole thing is just dumb.   

Pronger wasn't on this list.  And I am pretty sure he has ticked some people off.

Wasn't he #11?

Well sure if you read past #10.....

Sorry, I'll be quiet now.

Didn't mean it like that, sorry, no worries though... it's an incomplete and really somewhat pointless poll without knowing who was electing this sort of statement. Honestly I can see a lot of players/people jealous over Dion being the captain of the Leafs, who wouldn't be, I mean, I wish I was him, jeebus...

No worries, I was just kidding around.
#4356
Quote from: RedLeaf on January 12, 2012, 02:54:53 PM
Quote from: Madferret on January 11, 2012, 09:06:36 PM
Quote from: RedLeaf on January 11, 2012, 08:27:32 PM
Quote from: crazyperfectdevil on January 11, 2012, 07:28:39 PM
Quote from: Madferret on January 11, 2012, 07:10:47 PM

You are right - I apologize.

Here's my beef - it's easy to spend to the cap / trade away draft picks and then say you're rebuilding when you miss the playoffs.

are you suggesting that's what the leafs are doing?  because i guess i find it hard to call this anything other than a rebuild when you look at the overhaul of personal over the last few years..i think schenn has been on the team the longest?  so while there can be some debate over whether this is the traditional "rebuild" or was an attempt at a rebuild on the fly ...i don't think it can be argued that it's a rebuild of some sort..the team was completely gutted ..pretty much top to bottom ...i guess i don't have another term for that

Agreed. This has been more like a complete re-haul. The entire line-up is completely different than the one just a few short years ago.

I can't really buy your argument here ferret, but I except your apology nonetheless.

Re-haul is the perfect word for what the Leafs did / are doing and rebuilding is what Ottawa is doing. So you can't really compare the two organizations in terms of where they are on any kind of ladder -  both clubs are ultimately trying to achieve the same thing but both are going about it in different ways. Is this fair?

I get your argument.

I guess my point was more to the evolution of the way each team has rebuilt their clubs. The Leafs have rebuilt themselves from the ground up. We have seen a complete tear down and build up over the past 3 or 4 years, and have watched as the team has slowly gotten better each and every year after a prolonged stay at or near the bottom. They now appear to be on pretty solid footing. (knock on wood)

With the Sens, its been a much quicker transition from 09-10 to last season, and subsequent climb back up the standings this year. To me their rebuild almost seems as though it has happened too quickly to be sustainable in the short term. There still seems to be some skepticism going around as to how much depth and sustainability the Sens really have moving forward, especially if injuries start to take hold of the team.

Thats all I meant by the Leafs being a rung or two higher on the "rebuilt ladder"

I brought this up with a Sens fan, and he said "To be fair, the sens haven't been all that good for three years now."
#4357
Quote from: Tigger on January 12, 2012, 09:21:20 PM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on January 12, 2012, 09:17:18 PM
Quote from: Sarge on January 12, 2012, 06:18:40 PM
Not sure why Brophy felt the need to come to Phaneuf's  defence but he sure does here;

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2012/01/12/brophy_phaneuf/

Not from the article but I'm thinking a key reason why some of NHL players are likely to point to Phaneuf as "overrated" is that he hits like a truck. He rubs guys out and is as physical as they come anywhere one ice. He plays a style of game that I think irritates people enough where they want to fight him and the's the problem. - Phaneuf usually won't. I'll bet there are scores of guys with Phaneuf on their "most wanted list". - Agree?/Disagree?   

Edit: Anyway, I'm not sure if those 23% really understood the question. Or maybe some of them did. I don't know.... and I don't enve know why I'm spending so much time on this or why it's bothering me or rather, letting it bother me. Like I said, the whole thing is just dumb.   

Pronger wasn't on this list.  And I am pretty sure he has ticked some people off.

Wasn't he #11?

Well sure if you read past #10.....

Sorry, I'll be quiet now.
#4358
Quote from: Sarge on January 12, 2012, 06:18:40 PM
Not sure why Brophy felt the need to come to Phaneuf's  defence but he sure does here;

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2012/01/12/brophy_phaneuf/

Not from the article but I'm thinking a key reason why some of NHL players are likely to point to Phaneuf as "overrated" is that he hits like a truck. He rubs guys out and is as physical as they come anywhere one ice. He plays a style of game that I think irritates people enough where they want to fight him and the's the problem. - Phaneuf usually won't. I'll bet there are scores of guys with Phaneuf on their "most wanted list". - Agree?/Disagree?   

Edit: Anyway, I'm not sure if those 23% really understood the question. Or maybe some of them did. I don't know.... and I don't enve know why I'm spending so much time on this or why it's bothering me or rather, letting it bother me. Like I said, the whole thing is just dumb.   

Pronger wasn't on this list.  And I am pretty sure he has ticked some people off. 
#4359
Quote from: Saint Nik on January 11, 2012, 11:14:34 PM
Quote from: Sarge on January 11, 2012, 11:09:41 PM
You know, I'm wondering how the NHLPA feels about this. 161 union brothers commenting openly on who's overrated, providing ammo (as small as it may or may not be) for teams to keep some of these guys salaries down.

Just to hazard a guess, I'd suppose that at least 23% of the PA's membership is more or less ok with it.

What if the other 77% think Dion is great?
#4360
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=384670

"Buffalo and the Leafs have split a pair of meetings this season, with each club winning on home ice. The Sabres have taken 14 of 19 overall in this series, but they've also dropped three straight in Toronto."

Buffalo likes beating the Leafs.
#4361
Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Kooled-Off Kulemin
January 10, 2012, 01:53:57 PM
Anyone think that Wilson is trying to turn the Grabovski, Kulemin, Crabb line in to a checking line?
#4362
Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Kooled-Off Kulemin
January 10, 2012, 12:04:01 PM
Quote from: louisstamos on January 10, 2012, 11:57:10 AM
Quote from: L K on January 10, 2012, 11:47:56 AM
Quote from: hap_leaf on January 10, 2012, 11:32:11 AM
With 4 goals this year (a goal every ten games!) I think it is time to take steps to help this guy in whatever form: mental or physical.  Maybe he needs a break from the game.  A leave of absence where he can deal with any lingering issues from the loss of his friend and get some serious professional help.  A vacation somewhere removed from hockey.  Then a conditioning stint with the Marlies for another dozen games where he can regain some confidence.  At this point the team will be better without him.

No.

I agree with LK.  Kulemin may not be scoring, but he's doing everything else right.  Someone said it in the Tampa game thread I think; he's forechecking hard, he's battling for the puck, and he's in very good position, but he simply can't buy a goal right now.  But that's no reason to take someone out of the lineup...

If you look at his current shooting percentage, it's at 7%.  His shooting percentage from last year was 17%.  In the previous two years he was around 11%.  If he was at 11% this year, he would have 10 goals instead of 4.  His assists are right around where they were last year.  This might be another guy that is fighting consistency.  Last year he had one goal in his first ten games.
#4363
Just keep winning, just keep winning, just keep winning.....
#4364
Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Captain Phaneuf
January 10, 2012, 11:14:34 AM
#4365
Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Goaltending conundrum
January 08, 2012, 08:35:41 PM
Quote from: L K on January 08, 2012, 02:58:07 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on January 08, 2012, 02:48:01 PM
There seems to be this belief that Allaire tries to convert all goaltenders into replicas of each other. While I think he may advocate a style, I'm finding it hard to believe he doesn't appreciate each goaltender's unique talents and abilities and consequently adapts.

I wonder if what we say Allaire do was break Gustavsson down to build him back up.  Last year it seemed like Gustavsson's game fell apart as he got stuck in this in-between land where he tried to play more positionally but was facing shots at bad angles and it was messing with his ability to make athletic saves. 

Lately it seems like Gus has been relying more on his physical attributes to makes saves (he's done the diving save/poke-check way out of the crease thing 3 or 4 times this year and he wasn't really doing that last year) but he's also a lot more sound in the net. 

One thing that I think is maybe a little underrated for his play is that he's kicking his rebounds to teammates for the most part.  Sometimes, the puck is going to higher pressure zones (the slot, out to the half-boards) but it's being picked up by his defense to get the puck out of the zone.  Millen keeps whining about Gustavsson's rebound control, and so I started watching it more, and it really seems like he's kicking it away from the opposition on a pretty routine basis.  Gustavsson was never a guy who used soft pads that had the puck drop at his feet like Belfour did.  I wish Millen would clue in to that instead of complaining about the fact that Gus doesn't hold every single shot for a whistle.

I want to know if Allaire is the guy getting his goalies to do the swinging poke-check behind the net though.  Reimer did it a time or two earlier in the year and it was funny to see a goalie do it for the first time since the 70s, but Gustavsson is doing it pretty much every other game now.  I don't remember him doing that last year.

The rebound thing may be a change in philosophy.  I was in a store a while back trying to buy new pads.  The salesman said that the old pads were designed to deaden the rebound, whereas the new pads are meant to allow you to kick it all the way out to the blue line.  Not sure of why the changes, but that is what I was told. I guess maybe because you don't want pucks lying around in the crease when you are down in the butterfly, but I can't say for sure.