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#16
Quote from: herman on November 06, 2023, 02:20:05 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on November 05, 2023, 02:01:58 PMTeams still short a top-9 winger with Domi at C. Holmberg can't hang there. Either Robertson or McMann need to get a shot, they need to sign a Kane or Puljujarvi, or make a trade for someone.

3 suitably 2-way lines has to be the goal. Ideally 4. Stacking two lines and having only one ever going off at a time (and sometimes zero) is no bueno. The secondary depth needs to have a role, and needs to feel like they can be a solution, and part of this team -- not just guys who are watching Mitch Marner get gassed with 27 min in early February. Coaching plays a part here in spacing out the skill and giving roles out to skaters and letting them work through it.

That means we need players who have wheels and can do the simple stuff routinely, and 1 more top-9 centre if not Nylander or top-9 winger, who can drive a line. This is not even taking into consideration the defense, which is in shambles on the right side due to injury and ineptitude. The early this correction is made, the more time they have to settle in.

This is without any major personnel moves:

Bertuzzi-Matthews-Jarnkrok
Knies-Tavares-Marner
Robertson-Nylander-Domi
Gregor-Kampf-McMann

Rielly-Brodie
McCabe-Liljegren
Giordano-Timmins
Lagesson

EF speculating Treliving would be attracted to Zadorov/Tanev from the Flames...
Matthews and Tavares can swap wingers as needed. We need a line 3 that can score on other bottom sixes to take the pressure off the top.

I agree with all of this.  I think that splitting the 4 superstars over three lines is the way to go.
#18
Quote from: herman on November 06, 2023, 09:39:20 AMI hope he sticks

Might be worth flipping Nylander and Jarnkrok and turning the third line into sheltered scoring exclusively.

I agree.  I think if they yo-yo Robertson, that could be a problem.
#19
There are three ways to look at this.  This is the first time that the Leafs have lost when Matthews and Marner score in a game at the same time since 2018.  So that means:

A:  They were due.
B:  This is the worst Leafs team since 2018.
C:  All of the above.
#21
All Sports But Hockey / EPL - 2023-2024
November 04, 2023, 06:43:50 PM
Hey Arn

That was quite the win by Newcastle today.
#22
Quote from: Joe on November 04, 2023, 06:21:50 PM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on November 04, 2023, 06:19:08 PM
Quote from: Joe on November 04, 2023, 05:53:40 PMI really hate to say this but the more time passes the more this team reminds of the Alfredsson senators.

That team did make it to a finals.  They lost once they got their, but they did make it.

Meh.


You say meh, but that finals helped produce this:

https://youtu.be/bzVKyAyD2jc
#23
Quote from: Joe on November 04, 2023, 05:53:40 PMI really hate to say this but the more time passes the more this team reminds of the Alfredsson senators.

That team did make it to a finals.  They lost once they got their, but they did make it.
#24
Quote from: L K on November 04, 2023, 02:28:09 PMYeah these lines aren't working.  Change it up Keefe. 

The team better come out flying but I'm expecting them to come out flat, go down --0 and then rally like they usually do.  This team just is what it is at this point. 

Still better than the Phil Kessel years though.
#25
Quote from: L K on November 03, 2023, 02:01:56 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on November 03, 2023, 01:57:04 PM
Quote from: L K on November 03, 2023, 01:32:49 PMEchoing what he's already been said.  We know that dirty players don't fight the OG guys.  Reaves did nothing though.  He didn't throw a hard hit or start a scrum after a whistle.  He's well past being a net negative when it comes to actually playing hockey so his only value is toughness and he doesn't even do that after a teammate gets injured

Get out of the organization.  I'd much rather have Steeves up in his spot.  Or McMann and see if Gregor/McMann/Kampf can become a bit of a feisty but useful 4th line

You can probably a convincing case that Ryan Reaves is the worst NHLer playing regular minutes on a playoff worthy team right now. His one redeeming quality was that he was supposed to make everyone play a little bigger. The first test of that was a complete failure.

I'd argue it was the second test.  He did nothing in the Florida game after making the statement about how Gudas wouldn't be yelling at Woll if he was around.  Granted Gudas (UFA) and Bennett (injured) weren't there to do anything about but he was a complete non-factor in that game.  Compare that with how Boston spoke and approached their first game against Florida.

I think this just points to the fact that the Leafs don't play that way.  It has nothing to do with them being scared, or not tough.  They just don't want to play the game that way.
#26
Here is the reaction of the Detroit Red Wings to Draper being fired into the boards by Lemiuex in 1996.  Just throwing up here for the sake of something to compare too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkMSSxWPrqE
#27
Quote from: Bender on November 03, 2023, 12:04:50 PMThe Leafs could go 81-1 and if the Leafs look horrible in that one loss you bet your ass Azzuri will be losing his mind.

Perhaps.  I'm not really a betting person.  Also, I like my ass and I wouldn't want to lose it on the off chance that Azzuri didn't watch that game. 
#28
Quote from: Dappleganger on November 03, 2023, 09:38:06 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on November 03, 2023, 09:24:41 AM10 games in and none of the big-4 have a 5-on-5 GF% over 50%.

I feel like that is bad. 😕


Dr. Peter Venkman : This city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.

Mayor : What do you mean, "biblical"?

Dr. Raymond Stantz : What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real wrath of God type stuff.

Dr. Peter Venkman : Exactly.

Dr. Raymond Stantz : Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!

Dr. Egon Spengler : Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...

Winston Zeddemore : The dead rising from the grave!

Dr. Peter Venkman : Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... MASS HYSTERIA!

Mayor : All right, all right! I get the point!
#29
Quote from: Bender on November 03, 2023, 11:16:39 AM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on November 03, 2023, 11:08:59 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on November 03, 2023, 10:01:23 AM
Quote from: Joe on November 03, 2023, 09:36:22 AMFor all those up in arms about Reaves not "taking action" (who I'm in I way defending, was he ever on the ice at the same time as Marchand? I'm assuming not because Boston has last change.

And has Marchand ever been taken to task by anyone? Some of you make this sound like this is a leafs problem, but he's been a slippery weasel for his entire career and seems that no team ever does anything to him.

You're right about Reaves v. Marchand specifically. I didn't expect anyone to go out there and beat the snot out of him. And quite frankly even if they did aside from making some fans feel better it wouldn't have changed anything: Lily would still have been hurt and Marchand would still continue to gleefully attempt to injure his peers until his miserable career ends. It's also why the argument that Bennett would have never attempted to injure Knies in the playoffs if Reaves was in the line-up was and always has been foolish.

But, like, nothing from Reaves after that? He doesn't have to go after Marchand, or even try and hurt another player to get some pound of flesh, but he can't throw a 4th liner through the boards at some point? He can't grab a guy after a whistle in a scrum and just throw him around a little bit? Ditto for guys like Bertuzzi and Domi who were supposed to provide that stuff? And as ZBBM said if you aren't going to react with that sort of toughness you can at least beat them on the scoreboard and aside from a 2-minute offensive outburst the team in general kind of acted like that game meant nothing to them. It's tough to not be a little disappointed in that as a fan.

I think the issue with the Leafs team that is hard to reconcile is that there is a belief that there is enough talent on this team to win a cup, but that in order for that to happen, things have to align properly.

That doesn't mean that things don't have to align properly for other teams, but maybe there are less things that need to align.  If we look at things at a very high level and take Vegas as a use case, the only thing they needed to have align for them last year was their goaltending.  That was the only question that they needed to have answered.  Sure there were all the other questions that every team needs to answer, like health, and if guys don't get cold or play up to their ability, but the only real question mark they had as a team was would the goaltending be able to make the saves that they needed them to make.  There offensive depth was good, they had game breakers, and their 6 defensemen were among the best in the league.  So chances were that they were going to win a fair amount of games if the goaltending didn't let them down.

It's like the reverse of the Leafs though.  There are questions about the defense, there are questions about the offensive depth, and there are questions about the goaltending.  Sure, if all those things align, the Leafs could win a cup because they know they have the top end talent part to compete with other teams. 

This is what leads to most of the arguments on here about the team, because both sides are right with their assumptions.  The people who want to look at the positive side, like Guilt Trip, can point to the core of Reilly, Matthews, Nylander, Marner, and Tavares and say it's a really good core, probably one of the best cores in the league.  And if you have a strong core, you will make the playoffs, and once you are in the playoffs, you have a chance to win.  That core could win a cup.  Hell Karlsson dragged the Ottawa Senators to the conference finals pretty much by himself.  The Leafs have 4 players that are capable of that kind of dominance.

However, those that want to look at the negative side of things, like Azzuri63, also have a point.  This team has weaknesses, and probably more weaknesses than other teams that get papered over because of the strength of the core.  If the core doesn't produce, or has a bad game, or has bad luck, or is outperformed by the players on the other team, there isn't anything there for the team to fallback on.  There isn't enough depth/defensive structure/goaltending to overcome that. 

So is it possible for this team to win a cup?  I would say yes, it is possible.  Is it likely? That's where I have a hard time coming up with a number.  I think it's more likely than some other teams, but I don't think I would put them in the same category as Vegas, New Jersey, Colorado, or Carolina. 

All of this is just a really long winded way of saying that both sides are right, which is why the arguments persist.




Azzuri won't be happy until the team goes 82-0 and 16-0 in the playoffs lol.

I don't think that is necessarily true.  While I don't agree with the tone of their posts, I also don't disagree with some of the points.  There are flaws with this team, and they are glaring.  They do play down to their opponent, and they have a hard time sometimes establishing their game plan.   Those things can be frustrating because they feel like things that can be fixed through coaching/team leadership.  But they aren't being addressed, so what's going on behind closed doors?
#30
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on November 03, 2023, 10:01:23 AM
Quote from: Joe on November 03, 2023, 09:36:22 AMFor all those up in arms about Reaves not "taking action" (who I'm in I way defending, was he ever on the ice at the same time as Marchand? I'm assuming not because Boston has last change.

And has Marchand ever been taken to task by anyone? Some of you make this sound like this is a leafs problem, but he's been a slippery weasel for his entire career and seems that no team ever does anything to him.

You're right about Reaves v. Marchand specifically. I didn't expect anyone to go out there and beat the snot out of him. And quite frankly even if they did aside from making some fans feel better it wouldn't have changed anything: Lily would still have been hurt and Marchand would still continue to gleefully attempt to injure his peers until his miserable career ends. It's also why the argument that Bennett would have never attempted to injure Knies in the playoffs if Reaves was in the line-up was and always has been foolish.

But, like, nothing from Reaves after that? He doesn't have to go after Marchand, or even try and hurt another player to get some pound of flesh, but he can't throw a 4th liner through the boards at some point? He can't grab a guy after a whistle in a scrum and just throw him around a little bit? Ditto for guys like Bertuzzi and Domi who were supposed to provide that stuff? And as ZBBM said if you aren't going to react with that sort of toughness you can at least beat them on the scoreboard and aside from a 2-minute offensive outburst the team in general kind of acted like that game meant nothing to them. It's tough to not be a little disappointed in that as a fan.

I think the issue with the Leafs team that is hard to reconcile is that there is a belief that there is enough talent on this team to win a cup, but that in order for that to happen, things have to align properly.

That doesn't mean that things don't have to align properly for other teams, but maybe there are less things that need to align.  If we look at things at a very high level and take Vegas as a use case, the only thing they needed to have align for them last year was their goaltending.  That was the only question that they needed to have answered.  Sure there were all the other questions that every team needs to answer, like health, and if guys don't get cold or play up to their ability, but the only real question mark they had as a team was would the goaltending be able to make the saves that they needed them to make.  There offensive depth was good, they had game breakers, and their 6 defensemen were among the best in the league.  So chances were that they were going to win a fair amount of games if the goaltending didn't let them down.

It's like the reverse of the Leafs though.  There are questions about the defense, there are questions about the offensive depth, and there are questions about the goaltending.  Sure, if all those things align, the Leafs could win a cup because they know they have the top end talent part to compete with other teams. 

This is what leads to most of the arguments on here about the team, because both sides are right with their assumptions.  The people who want to look at the positive side, like Guilt Trip, can point to the core of Reilly, Matthews, Nylander, Marner, and Tavares and say it's a really good core, probably one of the best cores in the league.  And if you have a strong core, you will make the playoffs, and once you are in the playoffs, you have a chance to win.  That core could win a cup.  Hell Karlsson dragged the Ottawa Senators to the conference finals pretty much by himself.  The Leafs have 4 players that are capable of that kind of dominance.

However, those that want to look at the negative side of things, like Azzuri63, also have a point.  This team has weaknesses, and probably more weaknesses than other teams that get papered over because of the strength of the core.  If the core doesn't produce, or has a bad game, or has bad luck, or is outperformed by the players on the other team, there isn't anything there for the team to fallback on.  There isn't enough depth/defensive structure/goaltending to overcome that. 

So is it possible for this team to win a cup?  I would say yes, it is possible.  Is it likely? That's where I have a hard time coming up with a number.  I think it's more likely than some other teams, but I don't think I would put them in the same category as Vegas, New Jersey, Colorado, or Carolina. 

All of this is just a really long winded way of saying that both sides are right, which is why the arguments persist.