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Title: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: herman on October 09, 2020, 06:48:18 PM
Title: Re: Brodie!
Post by: herman on October 09, 2020, 06:50:37 PM
How did I get this in the wrong folder lol

Edit: thanks beautiful mod
Title: Re: Brodie!
Post by: herman on October 09, 2020, 06:53:24 PM
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2020/10/9/21510106/toronto-maple-leafs-sign-t-j-brodie
Everyone else having dinner?

Title: Re: Brodie!
Post by: Highlander on October 09, 2020, 06:54:15 PM
Sid loves it, Tim not so much
Title: Re: Brodie!
Post by: Deebo on October 09, 2020, 06:57:29 PM
11 minutes and still no AAV, come on.
Title: Re: Brodie!
Post by: Deebo on October 09, 2020, 06:58:34 PM
Title: Re: Brodie!
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 09, 2020, 06:58:55 PM
You're goddamn right we did.
Title: Re: Brodie!
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 09, 2020, 07:02:24 PM
$5mil for just 4 years is a helluva contract.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: WAYNEINIONA on October 09, 2020, 07:04:33 PM

 Nice pick up. My wife the Flames fan is not impressed.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: herman on October 09, 2020, 07:06:06 PM
This is great. Avoiding the lose-lose Pietrangelo situation in a good way.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 09, 2020, 07:07:22 PM
When was the last time we had a top-3 defence as solid as Rielly-Muzzin-Brodie?
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Dappleganger on October 09, 2020, 07:10:03 PM
The advance stats like Brodie.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: herman on October 09, 2020, 07:11:31 PM
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Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: L K on October 09, 2020, 07:15:29 PM
5x4 is amazing.

Some work to be done though.   We are over the cap with a forward hole in the lineup. 
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: herman on October 09, 2020, 07:16:47 PM
Dermott to the highest bidder seems far more likely now.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: L K on October 09, 2020, 07:20:07 PM
Johnsson - Matthews - Marner
Hyman - Tavares - Nylander
Engvall - Kerfoot - Simmonds
Robertson - Spezza - <<?>>
<<?>>

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Holl
Sandin - Lehtonen
<<?>>

Andersen
Campbell

That lineup is 294,800 under the cap.  Dermott and Mikheyev are still unsigned.  You could probably trade Johnsson (3.4M) and have 3.7M to get those two signed and then depending on left-overs have enough to sign about a million dollar player but the Leafs would be dressing a lineup with no healthy scratches that way.  You could also trade Dermott at this point because he's going to get exposed in the expansion draft next year.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 09, 2020, 07:25:40 PM
Dermott to the highest bidder seems far more likely now.
If they can sign him, they will. Sandin is still waiver exempt and right now I think Dermott is better then Sandin.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 09, 2020, 07:28:45 PM
That lineup is 294,800 under the cap.  Dermott and Mikheyev are still unsigned.  You could probably trade Johnsson (3.4M) and have 3.7M to get those two signed and then depending on left-overs have enough to sign about a million dollar player but the Leafs would be dressing a lineup with no healthy scratches that way.  You could also trade Dermott at this point because he's going to get exposed in the expansion draft next year.

With Johnsson dealt and Mikheyev and Dermott signing $1.5mil and $1mil deals this roster gives us just under $500k in space:

Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
Mikheyev-Tavares-Marner
Robertson-Kerfoot-Simmonds
Engvall-Spezza-Barabanov

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Dermott-Lehtonen
Marincin

Andersen
Campbell

21 man roster so we'll be able to carry 1 extra player. I picked Marincin because he rules and has the lowest cap among the other defenceman so we'll accrue more cap space during the season with him. He could also get yo-yo'd if he clears waivers (and the AHL is a thing) when need be.

I mentioned Thornton and Koviu as other forwards I was interested in. We could squeeze Thornton in if we dealt Engvall and Koivu if we sent Barabanov to the minors assuming they were ok with $1.5mil and $1mil deals. edit: that would actually put us a whole $36k over so take $50k off of Dermott's AAV just to be safe.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Nik on October 09, 2020, 07:41:28 PM

I'd have preferred Weegar but I'm guessing the asset cost there would have been high.  Not a bad alternative. Can live with the term/number.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Bender on October 09, 2020, 07:44:10 PM
I don't know much about Brodie, but sounds like he's basically what we need. I think the idea of requiring all LD/RD is a bit dumb considering it isn't 50/50 split handedness in the league. I wonder if Kerfoot gets dealt and we pick up someone like Jankowski or someone else going heavier on defense that's cheaper in the 3C role.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Bender on October 09, 2020, 07:45:45 PM
Are we sad Nick Cousins went for $1.5m to the Preds?
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 09, 2020, 07:46:36 PM

I'd have preferred Weegar but I'm guessing the asset cost there would have been high.  Not a bad alternative. Can live with the term/number.
Nobody said Dubas was done. Acquiring Weegar would have to be via a trade so it's still possible. We'll see but I don't think Dubas is done yet.

I don't know much about Brodie, but sounds like he's basically what we need. I think the idea of requiring all LD/RD is a bit dumb considering it isn't 50/50 split handedness in the league. I wonder if Kerfoot gets dealt and we pick up someone like Jankowski or someone else going heavier on defense that's cheaper in the 3C role.
Jankowski is off the board I believe.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 09, 2020, 07:46:48 PM

The Leafs D is... evolving.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Deebo on October 09, 2020, 07:47:43 PM

I'd have preferred Weegar but I'm guessing the asset cost there would have been high.  Not a bad alternative. Can live with the term/number.
Nobody said Dubas was done. Acquiring Weegar would have to be via a trade so it's still possible. We'll see but I don't think Dubas is done yet.

I don't know much about Brodie, but sounds like he's basically what we need. I think the idea of requiring all LD/RD is a bit dumb considering it isn't 50/50 split handedness in the league. I wonder if Kerfoot gets dealt and we pick up someone like Jankowski or someone else going heavier on defense that's cheaper in the 3C role.
Jankowski is off the board I believe.

Yes, Jankowski went to the Penguins.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 09, 2020, 07:48:49 PM

The Leafs D is... evolving.
Well I feel better now lol.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: herman on October 09, 2020, 07:49:06 PM
Are we sad Nick Cousins went for $1.5m to the Preds?

I am a bit sad
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 09, 2020, 07:49:44 PM
Are we sad Nick Cousins went for $1.5m to the Preds?

I am a bit sad

Meh... he has, stuff, surrounding him.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: herman on October 09, 2020, 07:50:36 PM
Tired: trade Nylander to get Pietrangelo!
Wired: get TJ Brodie
Hehehe: get Weegar (LD) to play with Brodie (RD)
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: herman on October 09, 2020, 07:51:17 PM
Are we sad Nick Cousins went for $1.5m to the Preds?

I am a bit sad

Meh... he has, stuff, surrounding him.

I am unaware. Time to research.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: barney_rebel on October 09, 2020, 07:54:01 PM
We stink btw....
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Dappleganger on October 09, 2020, 07:54:55 PM
Johnsson - Matthews - Marner
Hyman - Tavares - Nylander
Engvall - Kerfoot - Simmonds
Robertson - Spezza - <<?>>
<<?>>

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Holl
Sandin - Lehtonen
<<?>>

Andersen
Campbell

That lineup is 294,800 under the cap.  Dermott and Mikheyev are still unsigned.  You could probably trade Johnsson (3.4M) and have 3.7M to get those two signed and then depending on left-overs have enough to sign about a million dollar player but the Leafs would be dressing a lineup with no healthy scratches that way.  You could also trade Dermott at this point because he's going to get exposed in the expansion draft next year.


I think technically the Leafs are over the cap with that roster because the qualifying offers to Dermott and Mikheyev have to be accounted for.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Joe S. on October 09, 2020, 07:59:09 PM
Was he the one who wouldn?t waive his no trade to come to the leafs?
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: L K on October 09, 2020, 08:00:03 PM
Was he the one who wouldn?t waive his no trade to come to the leafs?

I think it was the other way around.  Kadri declined to waive to go to Calgary
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Zee on October 09, 2020, 08:01:41 PM
Was he the one who wouldn?t waive his no trade to come to the leafs?

I think it was the other way around.  Kadri declined to waive to go to Calgary
Someone brought up an old Mirtle tweet that said Leafs were on Brodie's no trade list. So that is kind of weird
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Bender on October 09, 2020, 08:02:05 PM

I'd have preferred Weegar but I'm guessing the asset cost there would have been high.  Not a bad alternative. Can live with the term/number.
Nobody said Dubas was done. Acquiring Weegar would have to be via a trade so it's still possible. We'll see but I don't think Dubas is done yet.

I don't know much about Brodie, but sounds like he's basically what we need. I think the idea of requiring all LD/RD is a bit dumb considering it isn't 50/50 split handedness in the league. I wonder if Kerfoot gets dealt and we pick up someone like Jankowski or someone else going heavier on defense that's cheaper in the 3C role.
Jankowski is off the board I believe.

Yes, Jankowski went to the Penguins.

Didn't even see that! Larsson?
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Deebo on October 09, 2020, 08:03:43 PM
Was he the one who wouldn?t waive his no trade to come to the leafs?

I think it was the other way around.  Kadri declined to waive to go to Calgary
Someone brought up an old Mirtle tweet that said Leafs were on Brodie's no trade list. So that is kind of weird

There were reports that Brodie added Toronto to his NTC list when the trade fell through.

Some players put teams that have shown interest in accquiring them on thier list, so they have to approve a trade at the time.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Dappleganger on October 09, 2020, 08:04:43 PM

I'd have preferred Weegar but I'm guessing the asset cost there would have been high.  Not a bad alternative. Can live with the term/number.
Nobody said Dubas was done. Acquiring Weegar would have to be via a trade so it's still possible. We'll see but I don't think Dubas is done yet.

I don't know much about Brodie, but sounds like he's basically what we need. I think the idea of requiring all LD/RD is a bit dumb considering it isn't 50/50 split handedness in the league. I wonder if Kerfoot gets dealt and we pick up someone like Jankowski or someone else going heavier on defense that's cheaper in the 3C role.
Jankowski is off the board I believe.

Yes, Jankowski went to the Penguins.

Didn't even see that! Larsson?

Lucas Wallmark.  8)
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Bender on October 09, 2020, 08:09:45 PM
I still think the Leafs aren't done. I think they're happy to go over the cap and they know who they're trading and to get under the cap. Take as many good value contracts now as possible and when some teams miss the FA boat use what you have as trade chips. Have to churn the roster and get value out of some guys, even if for less than full return value if you can get another couple players for pennies on the dollar. Gonna be an interesting off season.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Deebo on October 09, 2020, 08:19:47 PM
NMC in year 1, partial NTC in 2-4.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: herman on October 09, 2020, 08:20:14 PM
Finally, a defenseman with the positives and negatives on the correct side of the ice  ;D
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: herman on October 09, 2020, 08:20:34 PM
NMC in year 1, partial NTC in 2-4.

Muzzin and Brodie are Seattle-proof.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Deebo on October 09, 2020, 08:24:13 PM
NMC in year 1, partial NTC in 2-4.

Muzzin and Brodie are Seattle-proof.

Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: herman on October 09, 2020, 08:26:39 PM
NMC in year 1, partial NTC in 2-4.

Muzzin and Brodie are Seattle-proof.


K I thought this meant we had to have them on our protection list and we weren?t allowed to expose them.
But now are we saying they don?t count?
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Deebo on October 09, 2020, 08:27:09 PM
Interesting:

Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Deebo on October 09, 2020, 08:27:55 PM
NMC in year 1, partial NTC in 2-4.

Muzzin and Brodie are Seattle-proof.


K I thought this meant we had to have them on our protection list and we weren?t allowed to expose them.
But now are we saying they don?t count?

I think they have to have an NMC for 2021-22, Seattle's first season, to require protection.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Bender on October 09, 2020, 08:41:43 PM
Interesting:


Doesn't mean they aren't trading anybody else in the bottom 6  ;)
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: . on October 09, 2020, 08:47:41 PM
Interesting:


Doesn't mean they aren't trading anybody else in the bottom 6  ;)

I don't really follow cap stuff. If the leafs moved johnsson, could they conceivably keep shopping? Or does this need to happen andyway to afford brodie and simmons and the rfa's?
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Deebo on October 09, 2020, 08:48:04 PM
Interesting:


Doesn't mean they aren't trading anybody else in the bottom 6  ;)

Or he has a different defintion of significant piece than us.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 09, 2020, 08:48:32 PM
Interesting:


Doesn't mean they aren't trading anybody else in the bottom 6  ;)
Key word significant piece. Meaning the big 4.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Deebo on October 09, 2020, 08:52:09 PM
Actual quote:

Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Bender on October 09, 2020, 08:56:43 PM
Actual quote:


I honestly think he's talking about Marner/Nylander. I think there's a quote out there by Keefe saying the team wanted to rejig its bottom 6. Let's see!
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: herman on October 09, 2020, 09:03:22 PM
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Zee on October 09, 2020, 09:04:33 PM
That was cool. Man those old Leafs...
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: herman on October 09, 2020, 09:05:15 PM
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: gunnar36 on October 09, 2020, 09:41:01 PM
In typical Dubas fashion, we overpay on another contract to put further strain on cap.  Don't get me wrong, Brodie is a good defencemen, but not a 5 million guy in todays current cap crunch market.  Shattenkirk, who possesses what I perceive to be a more sought after skillset by most teams, signed for 3.9 x 3 to go to a crap team.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Deebo on October 09, 2020, 09:42:48 PM
In typical Dubas fashion, we overpay on another contract to put further strain on cap.  Don't get me wrong, Brodie is a good defencemen, but not a 5 million guy in todays current cap crunch market.  Shattenkirk, who possesses what I perceive to be a more sought after skillset by most teams, signed for 3.9 x 3 to go to a crap team.

Can you describe that skill set and what makes it more sought after than what Brodie's?
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 09, 2020, 09:43:31 PM
In typical Dubas fashion, we overpay on another contract to put further strain on cap.  Don't get me wrong, Brodie is a good defencemen, but not a 5 million guy in todays current cap crunch market.  Shattenkirk, who possesses what I perceive to be a more sought after skillset by most teams, signed for 3.9 x 3 to go to a crap team.

I'm not sure there's a team in the league that would take Shattenkirk over Brodie right now.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: herman on October 09, 2020, 09:47:08 PM
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Bender on October 09, 2020, 09:51:17 PM
In typical Dubas fashion, we overpay on another contract to put further strain on cap.  Don't get me wrong, Brodie is a good defencemen, but not a 5 million guy in todays current cap crunch market.  Shattenkirk, who possesses what I perceive to be a more sought after skillset by most teams, signed for 3.9 x 3 to go to a crap team.

I'm not sure there's a team in the league that would take Shattenkirk over Brodie right now.
Shattenkirk is basically Barrie. Why would we do that again?
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: gunnar36 on October 09, 2020, 09:52:06 PM
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Can you describe that skill set and what makes it more sought after than what Brodie's?

A little more dangerous offensively, can QB a powerplay.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: gunnar36 on October 09, 2020, 09:55:44 PM
In typical Dubas fashion, we overpay on another contract to put further strain on cap.  Don't get me wrong, Brodie is a good defencemen, but not a 5 million guy in todays current cap crunch market.  Shattenkirk, who possesses what I perceive to be a more sought after skillset by most teams, signed for 3.9 x 3 to go to a crap team.

I'm not sure there's a team in the league that would take Shattenkirk over Brodie right now.
Shattenkirk is basically Barrie. Why would we do that again?

Yeah by no means was I saying I would want Shattenkirk over Brodie based on the makeup of this defence, just saying the number seems high.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: herman on October 09, 2020, 09:57:22 PM
Quote

Can you describe that skill set and what makes it more sought after than what Brodie's?

A little more dangerous offensively, can QB a powerplay.

When everyone harps on the Leafs defense sucking, it is because we do not have enough PP QBs.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: . on October 09, 2020, 10:05:39 PM
Yeah by no means was I saying I would want Shattenkirk over Brodie based on the makeup of this defence, just saying the number seems high.

Yeah, it's definitely an investment, but keep in mind that he can play right D on the top pairing, which is the greatest area of need and one of the hardest candidates to find - and also, the term is very, very attractive considering his age.

And I thought Shattenkirk was playing very well in Tampa, but I'd totally take brodie at this money over Shattenkirk at his new deal, and it's not even close.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: herman on October 09, 2020, 10:27:48 PM
Is TJ Brodie?s name Terry Jerry?
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Nik on October 09, 2020, 10:30:55 PM
Is TJ Brodie?s name Terry Jerry?

It isn't but, damnit, it should be.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: wnc096 on October 09, 2020, 10:34:18 PM
In typical Dubas fashion, we overpay on another contract to put further strain on cap.  Don't get me wrong, Brodie is a good defencemen, but not a 5 million guy in todays current cap crunch market.  Shattenkirk, who possesses what I perceive to be a more sought after skillset by most teams, signed for 3.9 x 3 to go to a crap team.

I'm not sure there's a team in the league that would take Shattenkirk over Brodie right now.
Shattenkirk is basically Barrie. Why would we do that again?

Yeah by no means was I saying I would want Shattenkirk over Brodie based on the makeup of this defence, just saying the number seems high.

I?ve been to hundreds of flames games over the years Brodie plays defense...he is better and more valuable than Shattenkirk.  He made Gio better and i think will compliment Reilly
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Downtown on October 09, 2020, 10:43:41 PM
Is TJ Brodie?s name Terry Jerry?
I thought it was Trodie Jodie?
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Nik on October 09, 2020, 10:53:18 PM
Tanev for 4.5 over 4 to Calgary kind of undercuts the notion that this was an overpay.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: herman on October 09, 2020, 11:52:46 PM
Brodie is also only half a mil more than Zaitsev for the same remaining term.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Bender on October 09, 2020, 11:53:17 PM
Tanev for 4.5 over 4 to Calgary kind of undercuts the notion that this was an overpay.
That seems like a pretty risky move.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: herman on October 10, 2020, 12:09:54 AM
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/10/10/kyle-dubas-addresses-the-tj-brodie-signing/
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We know there was interest in Brodie last summer. What is it that you like about this player now for well over a year?

Dubas: The things that we liked: The fact that he has played with an elite partner in Mark Giordano for a number of years now, and they?ve had a lot of success as a pair. As we have tried to find a partner and/or Jake Muzzin now that can complement them and boost the results of our team, TJ ? the style and the way that he plays and operates on the ice, with his skill set defensively and with the puck ? just always seemed to fit what we were looking for. That is why he has been a target of ours and why we are happy to have him here.

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As a left shot that plays the right side, do sometimes we on the outside make too big of a deal of what way a guy curves his stick? [editor's note: why did the question have to sound so sexual]

Dubas: Trust me, there are people on the inside who make a big deal out of it as well. It is not just confined to media or fans. We talk about it a lot in here as well.

I think the thing with TJ is that he has done it for so long going back to the OHL. It is the side he prefers. He is able to play on both sides, but he has predominately played the right. There are some guys who can?t do it ? it?s just the way they receive the puck and the ability to shift it across their bodies and make plays. It takes an extra second or half a second. It is not for everybody. Some players struggle to do it, but he has shown the capacity to do it and the intelligence to do it. He has done it for such a long time now that it is not even really in dispute. It is what makes the most sense for us.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on October 10, 2020, 12:14:16 AM
Now, this is more like it.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: herman on October 10, 2020, 12:24:47 AM

K I thought this meant we had to have them on our protection list and we weren?t allowed to expose them.
But now are we saying they don?t count?

I think they have to have an NMC for 2021-22, Seattle's first season, to require protection.

Okay I need a clarification here (cc: Deebo, busta, et al.), because Johnston saying the Leafs "don't have to protect Brodie" can be interpreted two ways.

If we want to keep Muzzin and Brodie past the expansion, we can opt to protect them, right? But because their contracts are NTCs for the Seattle expansion season, we could leave them exposed if the fit wasn't right.

So if we land Weegar to go along with Reilly, Muzzin, Brodie, that's 4 D we'd like to keep and we'd have to go 8-1 and lose Dermott.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Deebo on October 10, 2020, 12:29:26 AM
Okay I need a clarification here (cc: Deebo, busta, et al.), because Johnston saying the Leafs "don't have to protect Brodie" can be interpreted two ways.

If we want to keep Muzzin and Brodie past the expansion, we can opt to protect them, right? But because their contracts are NTCs for the Seattle expansion season, we could leave them exposed if the fit wasn't right.

So if we land Weegar to go along with Reilly, Muzzin, Brodie, that's 4 D we'd like to keep and we'd have to go 8-1 and lose Dermott.

When Johnston says "don't have to", I'm pretty sure he just means they aren't forced to.

They do have to if they prevent Seattle from taking them.

Yeah, if they go 8+1, its those 4D that you mention, + the top 4 forwards.

Lose one of whoever is left here out of Johnsson, Kerfoot and Dermott.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: herman on October 10, 2020, 12:35:02 AM
Okay I need a clarification here (cc: Deebo, busta, et al.), because Johnston saying the Leafs "don't have to protect Brodie" can be interpreted two ways.

If we want to keep Muzzin and Brodie past the expansion, we can opt to protect them, right? But because their contracts are NTCs for the Seattle expansion season, we could leave them exposed if the fit wasn't right.

So if we land Weegar to go along with Reilly, Muzzin, Brodie, that's 4 D we'd like to keep and we'd have to go 8-1 and lose Dermott.

When Johnston says "don't have to", I'm pretty sure he just means they aren't forced to.

They do have to if they prevent Seattle from taking them.

Yeah, if they go 8+1, its those 4D that you mention, + the top 4 forwards.

Lose one of whoever is left here out of Johnsson, Kerfoot and Dermott.

Thanks... because it really read like, oh they're basically exempt from the draft.

Our expansion draft used to be so straightforward last year. It's nice having too many good players.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Deebo on October 10, 2020, 12:45:31 AM
Okay I need a clarification here (cc: Deebo, busta, et al.), because Johnston saying the Leafs "don't have to protect Brodie" can be interpreted two ways.

If we want to keep Muzzin and Brodie past the expansion, we can opt to protect them, right? But because their contracts are NTCs for the Seattle expansion season, we could leave them exposed if the fit wasn't right.

So if we land Weegar to go along with Reilly, Muzzin, Brodie, that's 4 D we'd like to keep and we'd have to go 8-1 and lose Dermott.

When Johnston says "don't have to", I'm pretty sure he just means they aren't forced to.

They do have to if they prevent Seattle from taking them.

Yeah, if they go 8+1, its those 4D that you mention, + the top 4 forwards.

Lose one of whoever is left here out of Johnsson, Kerfoot and Dermott.

Thanks... because it really read like, oh they're basically exempt from the draft.

Our expansion draft used to be so straightforward last year. It's nice having too many good players.

It really isn't that bad if all we are looking at is losing one of Johnsson, Dermott or Kerfoot.

If one of these players finds another level and are good enough to be upset about losing for nothing then they might be able to be traded ahead of the expansion draft to a team who has an expansion slot available.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on October 10, 2020, 12:46:15 AM
Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Holl
Sandin - Lehtonen

This is so immensely better than having Barrie and Ceci occupying two of these spaces.

Anybody think Liljegren can bust his way into the lineup?  I'd hate to see him get lost in the shuffle until he's had more of a chance.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 10, 2020, 12:52:27 AM
Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Holl
Sandin - Lehtonen

This is so immensely better than having Barrie and Ceci occupying two of these spaces.

Anybody think Liljegren can bust his way into the lineup?  I'd hate to see him get lost in the shuffle until he's had more of a chance.
Nothing wrong leaving Liljegren on the Marlies. He's only 21 and if Lehtonen is as good as they say, they may not be able to afford him in 21/22
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on October 10, 2020, 12:59:51 AM
Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Holl
Sandin - Lehtonen

This is so immensely better than having Barrie and Ceci occupying two of these spaces.

Anybody think Liljegren can bust his way into the lineup?  I'd hate to see him get lost in the shuffle until he's had more of a chance.
Nothing wrong leaving Liljegren on the Marlies. He's only 21 and if Lehtonen is as good as they say, they may not be able to afford him in 21/22

True all, and I understand that they may need him there for cap savings alone, especially at the start of the season as part of Pridham's Two-Step.  But he is, potentially, the RHD we need.  Or a RHD we need, anyway.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 10, 2020, 01:21:18 AM
Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Holl
Sandin - Lehtonen

This is so immensely better than having Barrie and Ceci occupying two of these spaces.

Anybody think Liljegren can bust his way into the lineup?  I'd hate to see him get lost in the shuffle until he's had more of a chance.
Nothing wrong leaving Liljegren on the Marlies. He's only 21 and if Lehtonen is as good as they say, they may not be able to afford him in 21/22

True all, and I understand that they may need him there for cap savings alone, especially at the start of the season as part of Pridham's Two-Step.  But he is, potentially, the RHD we need.  Or a RHD we need, anyway.
I think he'll be on the team eventually. I like him.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Andy on October 10, 2020, 07:14:23 AM
So I decided to check out another Leafs forum to see what they thought of Brodie, FA, and the draft.....and I just want to say how glad I am to be here and how much I love you guys...  :-*
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: herman on October 10, 2020, 07:42:37 AM
 :-* (_!_)
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 10, 2020, 08:11:27 AM
So I decided to check out another Leafs forum to see what they thought of Brodie, FA, and the draft.....and I just want to say how glad I am to be here and how much I love you guys...  :-*
Editor In Leaf by chance? AKA The Dubas Sucks site.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Andy on October 10, 2020, 08:34:57 AM
So I decided to check out another Leafs forum to see what they thought of Brodie, FA, and the draft.....and I just want to say how glad I am to be here and how much I love you guys...  :-*
Editor In Leaf by chance? AKA The Dubas Sucks site.

No, this one has message boards for all of the teams and a penchant for "lol's" that would put habsforever to shame.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Andy on October 10, 2020, 10:04:03 AM
:-* (_!_)

Herman, you truly are the b-hole king ;)
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 10, 2020, 10:45:18 AM
Tanev for 4.5 over 4 to Calgary kind of undercuts the notion that this was an overpay.

I mean Justin Schultz of all people got $4mil (albeit on just a 2 year deal).
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Frank E on October 10, 2020, 10:47:50 AM
Brodie isn't a big PK guy, looks as though he's a second unit guy.

Anyone think we could use another Ceci like PK guy?  Weeger looks like a second unit guy as well.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 10, 2020, 10:53:23 AM
Brodie isn't a big PK guy, looks as though he's a second unit guy.

Anyone think we could use another Ceci like PK guy?  Weeger looks like a second unit guy as well.

I'm not sure players are really locked in to 1st or 2nd units based on their past. But this coming season I'd imagine the Leafs would run Muzzin-Holl (or Weegar) first and then Rielly/Dermott-Brodie second.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: . on October 10, 2020, 11:27:22 AM
The more I think about it, the less wild I am about the idea of taking Kerfoot off the roster. He might be .5-1M higher than ideal, but he really played a good utility role.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: herman on October 10, 2020, 11:39:52 AM
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Highlander on October 10, 2020, 12:09:57 PM
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Can you describe that skill set and what makes it more sought after than what Brodie's?

A little more dangerous offensively, can QB a powerplay.
We have Lethonen for that.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Bender on October 10, 2020, 12:41:58 PM
The more I think about it, the less wild I am about the idea of taking Kerfoot off the roster. He might be .5-1M higher than ideal, but he really played a good utility role.
Yeah but the more I think about it the more that maybe we need a defensive forward in that 3C role. Kerfoot looks more like a winger than a C and it that's the case I think it makes some sense to get assets back. You've got to churn the roster and keep getting value back.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Frank E on October 10, 2020, 12:44:42 PM
The more I think about it, the less wild I am about the idea of taking Kerfoot off the roster. He might be .5-1M higher than ideal, but he really played a good utility role.
Yeah but the more I think about it the more that maybe we need a defensive forward in that 3C role. Kerfoot looks more like a winger than a C and it that's the case I think it makes some sense to get assets back. You've got to churn the roster and keep getting value back.

This is where Thornton in at $1m or something would be nice. 

I'm still of the opinion that guys like Kerfoot and Johnsson aren't of much trade value right now with all the UFA guys out there for zero talent cost.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Highlander on October 10, 2020, 12:57:46 PM
I would keep Kerfoot for one more year, keep him at 3rd C and not move him about like a chess piece, his possession numbers are very good.  Trade Johnsson if need be and get Souperman and Dermott signed.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 10, 2020, 01:08:57 PM
I would keep Kerfoot for one more year, keep him at 3rd C and not move him about like a chess piece, his possession numbers are very good.  Trade Johnsson if need be and get Souperman and Dermott signed.
I'm keeping Kerfoot if possible also. Johnsson can go. Nice player but we need the space.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Joe S. on October 10, 2020, 01:39:11 PM
When am I going to learn to not read the comments on Sportsnet. You?d think the leafs just signed Aki Berg to a 100 million contract the way they?re thrashing this.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Highlander on October 10, 2020, 02:04:23 PM
Simmons actually gives Dubas praise on yesterday's signings, perhaps they can be friends after all and then goes on to say this bonehead remark:  "And in fairness, the Leafs didn?t win all that much this past interrupted season".  I guess they won enough to get into a playoff chance.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: . on October 10, 2020, 02:11:46 PM
Simmons actually gives Dubas praise on yesterday's signings, perhaps they can be friends after all and then goes on to say this bonehead remark:  "And in fairness, the Leafs didn?t win all that much this past interrupted season".  I guess they won enough to get into a playoff chance.

I disagree. The season, on a whole was far, far below expectations, and Simmons, despite his warts, has a perfectly valid take.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: disco on October 10, 2020, 02:14:38 PM
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Frank E on October 10, 2020, 02:18:44 PM
Is Lehtonen playing the right side in Finland right now?
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 10, 2020, 02:21:03 PM
Is Lehtonen playing the right side in Finland right now?

I believe he's playing on the left. Dubas said yesterday they expect Dermott to be the one to slide to the right side as well.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Frank E on October 10, 2020, 02:23:32 PM
Is Lehtonen playing the right side in Finland right now?

I believe he's playing on the left. Dubas said yesterday they expect Dermott to be the one to slide to the right side as well.

Good point.

I read that yesterday, and I'm not sure I'm convinced that Dermott can do that job well enough.

I have to think that having Dermott over there would be worst case scenario.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 10, 2020, 02:26:38 PM
Good point.

I read that yesterday, and I'm not sure I'm convinced that Dermott can do that job well enough.

I have to think that having Dermott over there would be worst case scenario.

I'm not the biggest Dermott fan when it comes to his potential in becoming a top-4 defender but as a bottom pairing guy he should do very well regardless of the side he's playing on. And at like $1-1.25mil I'm not sure you're finding someone much better. I mean Borowiecki signed for $2mil.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Frank E on October 10, 2020, 02:35:27 PM
Good point.

I read that yesterday, and I'm not sure I'm convinced that Dermott can do that job well enough.

I have to think that having Dermott over there would be worst case scenario.

I'm not the biggest Dermott fan when it comes to his potential in becoming a top-4 defender but as a bottom pairing guy he should do very well regardless of the side he's playing on. And at like $1-1.25mil I'm not sure you're finding someone much better. I mean Borowiecki signed for $2mil.

I'm hoping Liljegren has a camp. 
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: RedLeaf on October 10, 2020, 03:13:22 PM
Good point.

I read that yesterday, and I'm not sure I'm convinced that Dermott can do that job well enough.

I have to think that having Dermott over there would be worst case scenario.

I'm not the biggest Dermott fan when it comes to his potential in becoming a top-4 defender but as a bottom pairing guy he should do very well regardless of the side he's playing on. And at like $1-1.25mil I'm not sure you're finding someone much better. I mean Borowiecki signed for $2mil.

I'm hoping Liljegren has a camp.

I?m hoping Lehtonen comes to camp even better than advertised and that Sandin finds an even higher level of play than last season. If TJ fits in to this group without missing a beat our D should be much improved.

I really want to believe not pursuing Pietrangelo with everything Dubas could throw at him was the right move. I hope I?m proved wrong in believing a vital piece of the puzzle Was within our grasp but we let it slip away.  >:(

Brodie does look like a fine addition . Just hope these pickups move the needle enough .
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 10, 2020, 05:50:01 PM
Good point.

I read that yesterday, and I'm not sure I'm convinced that Dermott can do that job well enough.

I have to think that having Dermott over there would be worst case scenario.

I'm not the biggest Dermott fan when it comes to his potential in becoming a top-4 defender but as a bottom pairing guy he should do very well regardless of the side he's playing on. And at like $1-1.25mil I'm not sure you're finding someone much better. I mean Borowiecki signed for $2mil.
I like Dermott's upside but I'm disappointed at his progress. I thought he'd be better by now but I guess the injury and him missing camp really messed up his year. I think it's too early to give up on him so we'll see how it goes this year. I don't see him getting over 1.5 per for 2 years.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Highlander on October 10, 2020, 06:03:19 PM
I think Pietrangelo was a bad play 
in these cap times. No cap, buy him and laugh.. too much of Tavares downside on his deal, too expensive in his declining years.  My major gripe with this team is not with Nylander (no gripe) or Marner (although we pay him 2 Mill too much), but I think the JT deal will hold us back a lot in the coming years.  Great player but not at the rate or the term.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: herman on October 12, 2020, 09:59:14 AM
https://theathletic.com/2128813/2020/10/12/maple-leafs-signing-of-t-j-brodie-will-bolster-defence/
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Brodie, meanwhile, [played right defense] for the bulk of his time in Calgary, often on a first pairing with Mark Giordano. With Brodie at his side two seasons ago, Giordano, at 35, won his first Norris Trophy. He?d never finished higher than sixth before. And while Giordano was the driving force in the pair, Brodie?s quiet reliability allowed him to shine in much the same way that Hainsey (albeit to a lesser degree) helped Rielly the year he finished fifth in Norris voting (the same year Giordano won it).

Unlike Hainsey, who sunk when Rielly wasn?t out there, Brodie got along just fine without Giordano around.

Over about 472 minutes at five-on-five last year, the Flames had a 52 percent expected-goals clip when Brodie was on the ice without Giordano. According to PuckIQ, Calgary had about 53 percent possession in those instances (84 minutes) when Brodie faced ?elite? competition without Giordano (albeit with generous zone starts).
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 12, 2020, 10:28:22 AM
Like I said before, Brodie might not be the Norris-type defender we all wanted but he might help push Rielly back into the conversation.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: herman on October 12, 2020, 01:27:08 PM
Invalid Tweet IDTranslation: Brodie prefers to pass to forwards instead of taking long shots himself
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Nik on October 12, 2020, 01:30:45 PM

Well, I'm glad advanced metrics cracked the unsolvable riddle of "Does the guy who scored 17 goals over three years shoot a lot?"
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: herman on October 12, 2020, 01:34:21 PM

Well, I'm glad advanced metrics cracked the unsolvable riddle of "Does the guy who scored 17 goals over three years shoot a lot?"

That could very well be a matter of incompetence rather than volume  ;D
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Nik on October 12, 2020, 01:44:38 PM

Well, I'm glad advanced metrics cracked the unsolvable riddle of "Does the guy who scored 17 goals over three years shoot a lot?"

That could very well be a matter of incompetence rather than volume  ;D

True. Someone should really start keeping track of how many shots these guys take.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: herman on October 12, 2020, 01:51:44 PM

Well, I'm glad advanced metrics cracked the unsolvable riddle of "Does the guy who scored 17 goals over three years shoot a lot?"

That could very well be a matter of incompetence rather than volume  ;D

True. Someone should really start keeping track of how many shots these guys take.

Shots doesn't count blocks/misses though
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Nik on October 12, 2020, 02:09:21 PM
Shots doesn't count blocks/misses though

For reals, I'd be interested in just to what extent the difference looks like between a list of "shots" and "shots + blocks/misses" for players.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 12, 2020, 02:21:33 PM
Shots doesn't count blocks/misses though

For reals, I'd be interested in just to what extent the difference looks like between a list of "shots" and "shots + blocks/misses" for players.

Decided to test this quickly with one player, Barrie, because he seems to be an example of a player who might show a big gap in those stats. Among defenders who played at least 800 5-on-5 minutes last season Barrie ranked 12th in shots/60 and 5th in shots+blocks/misses/60.

Then since the window was open I noticed Rielly was 21st in shots/60 and 9th in shots+blocks/missed/60.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on October 12, 2020, 02:37:36 PM
Shots doesn't count blocks/misses though

For reals, I'd be interested in just to what extent the difference looks like between a list of "shots" and "shots + blocks/misses" for players.

Decided to test this quickly with one player, Barrie, because he seems to be an example of a player who might show a big gap in those stats. Among defenders who played at least 800 5-on-5 minutes last season Barrie ranked 12th in shots/60 and 5th in shots+blocks/misses/60.

Then since the window was open I noticed Rielly was 21st in shots/60 and 9th in shots+blocks/missed/60.
Oooh, do Phaneuf!!
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: herman on October 12, 2020, 02:46:17 PM
2019-2020, so shortened season numbers. Ranks using the 800-min minimum at 5v5 rates defensemen only.
There are ties, and I can't be bothered to parse the tie tiers as single ranks. Just going by whatever Natural Stat Trick tie-breaks with in the sorts.

Individual 5v5 per 60BarrieBrodieRiellyMuzzinHollDermott
Attempts14.32 (5th)7.73 (129th)13.54 (9th)11.18 (49th)9.81 (78th)7.71 (130th)
Shots on goal6.67 (12th)2.91 (138th)6.29 (21st)5.77 (27th)4.6 (79th)4.2 (93rd)
xG0.24 (27th)0.12 (135th)0.24 (29th)0.21 (46th)0.21 (54th)0.14 (110th)
Goals0.19 (75th)0.16 (90th)0.14 (94th)0.37 (16th)0.06 (124th)0.28 (30th)
Individual 5v5 CountsBarrieBrodieRiellyMuzzinHollDermott
Attempts303141198180177112
Shots on goal1415392938361
xG5.042.113.553.341.22.1
Goals432614
Individual Sh%BarrieBrodieRiellyMuzzinHollDermott
Shots per attempt46.53%37.59%46.46%51.67%46.89%54.46%
Goals per attempt1.32%2.13%1.01%3.33%0.56%3.57%
Goals per shot (sh%)2.84%5.66%2.17%6.45%1.20%6.56%

I don't know where I could find an easy dataset to do this, but I'd like to see the delta in chances/shots for Barrie's forwards with and without him.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Bender on October 12, 2020, 11:04:03 PM
Wonder why Dom's model doesn't look at him very favourably. He looks fine but basically nothing more than a reliable 4 guy. Wonder if he just had a bit of a down year last year.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: herman on October 13, 2020, 10:08:41 AM
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: herman on October 13, 2020, 10:10:18 AM
Wonder why Dom's model doesn't look at him very favourably. He looks fine but basically nothing more than a reliable 4 guy. Wonder if he just had a bit of a down year last year.

Isn't that basically what he is though? Play driver through facilitation, not his own individual offensive contribution. Game Score is also a very offense-oriented model.

Jake Muzzin for comparison
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: herman on October 13, 2020, 10:30:12 AM

Explainer for the JFresh player card: it's just Evolving-Hockey's model in percentile form, weighted average of the past three seasons (heavier by recency).
https://jfresh.substack.com/p/player-card-explainer

The player we did not bother to court, because Brodie was interested in the Leafs for cheaper and less term.

Brodie was the target for his defensive contributions: he helps trap pucks in the OZ and stifles attacks in the NZ. He also isn't going to steal chances away from his forwards, who will primarily be Matthews and Tavares' lines. Those lines get like 20-28 shifts per game and shot attempts occur ~70-80% of the time; if a defenseman is taking those shots, less than half make it on net, and like 1% of them go in. We want our forwards, who have a much higher scoring chance and finishing rate to have the majority of the chances we generate.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 13, 2020, 01:17:04 PM
If Rielly's play can get back to 2 years ago, we win, but this is on Rielly too. He needs to pick it up. The excuses are gone for him.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: . on October 13, 2020, 01:22:56 PM
Wonder why Dom's model doesn't look at him very favourably. He looks fine but basically nothing more than a reliable 4 guy. Wonder if he just had a bit of a down year last year.

Or, it's not a representative model.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Highlander on October 13, 2020, 01:33:54 PM
If Rielly's play can get back to 2 years ago, we win, but this is on Rielly too. He needs to pick it up. The excuses are gone for him.
He definitely had some health issues to start the season, when he came back to the Bubble, he looked way better than before the enforced layoff.  Hope he stays healthy and benefits from a skilled defensive partner.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 13, 2020, 01:35:29 PM
If Rielly's play can get back to 2 years ago, we win, but this is on Rielly too. He needs to pick it up. The excuses are gone for him.
He definitely had some health issues to start the season, when he came back to the Bubble, he looked way better than before the enforced layoff.  Hope he stays healthy and benefits from a skilled defensive partner.
True but he needs to elevate his game regardless of partner. Let's hope he does.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Nik on October 13, 2020, 01:37:35 PM
I don't think expecting Rielly to be a 65-70 point a year defenseman tracks. Last year he was at a 47p/82g pace roughly what he was in 17-18.

I think it's fair to expect him to be in the 50's, maybe even upper 50's. But he really wasn't far off from that last year so I'm not sure he needs any excuses.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 13, 2020, 01:38:56 PM
I don't think expecting Rielly to be a 65-70 point a year defenseman tracks. Last year he was at a 47p/82g pace roughly what he was in 17-18.

I think it's fair to expect him to be in the 50's, maybe even upper 50's. But he really wasn't far off from that last year so I'm not sure he needs any excuses.
I'm not just talking points. His overall play was bad last year for his standards.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Nik on October 13, 2020, 01:42:14 PM

Even if that's true, and I don't know how much I agree with that, I'm not sure having a single injury disrupted off year is where I'd lose patience with a solid contributor on a great contract.
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: L K on October 13, 2020, 01:59:26 PM
I don't think expecting Rielly to be a 65-70 point a year defenseman tracks. Last year he was at a 47p/82g pace roughly what he was in 17-18.

I think it's fair to expect him to be in the 50's, maybe even upper 50's. But he really wasn't far off from that last year so I'm not sure he needs any excuses.

Yeah I mean I don't think we can expect him to score 17 even strength goals again or have a 9% shooting percentage...especially with so many shoot first forwards.  I think 60 points is reasonable to want for him though as you said, high 50s is probably a more likely number. 
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: Highlander on October 13, 2020, 04:49:29 PM
If Rielly's play can get back to 2 years ago, we win, but this is on Rielly too. He needs to pick it up. The excuses are gone for him.
He definitely had some health issues to start the season, when he came back to the Bubble, he looked way better than before the enforced layoff.  Hope he stays healthy and benefits from a skilled defensive partner.
True but he needs to elevate his game regardless of partner. Let's hope he does.
Do you mean you expect him to play Defense as well?  Gosh, let me scratch my brow on this one! ;)
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: OldTimeHockey on October 13, 2020, 05:22:00 PM
If Rielly's play can get back to 2 years ago, we win, but this is on Rielly too. He needs to pick it up. The excuses are gone for him.

Who's making excuses for him?
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: herman on December 03, 2020, 10:39:49 AM
Lots of Brodie clips and charts
Title: Re: Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]
Post by: herman on December 27, 2020, 07:07:02 PM
https://theathletic.com/2260574/2020/12/26/t-j-brodie-maple-leafs-defence/
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Brodie also became known for, of all things, doing freestyle raps from time to time, and later, for a fascination with odd conspiracy theories. ?If there?s one thing we disagree on a lot, it?s his conspiracy theories,? Giordano said, chuckling.
They go a lot into how good Brodie is, but this is where I got some whiplash.