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Title: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on August 28, 2017, 12:07:12 PM

Figured there should be a spot for minor stuff that didn't need its own thread. So, for instance:

The Flyers will be retiring Lindros' 88:

https://www.nhl.com/flyers/news/flyers-to-retire-no-88-jersey-of-eric-lindros--philadelphia-flyers/c-290779804 (https://www.nhl.com/flyers/news/flyers-to-retire-no-88-jersey-of-eric-lindros--philadelphia-flyers/c-290779804)

I guess it's nice to see him having patched things up with Philly but man, looking back on that, they treated him badly.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 29, 2017, 12:00:58 PM
Jared Cowen signed a PTO with Colorado.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on August 29, 2017, 12:30:55 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on August 29, 2017, 12:00:58 PM
Jared Cowen signed a PTO with Colorado.

Also Jay McClement in Pittsburgh which...you know, might work.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on September 06, 2017, 02:02:53 PM

An interesting article on the recently retired Francois Allaire and whether or not he should be considered for the HHOF:

http://ingoalmag.com/news/francois-allaire-hall-fame-goaltending-world-weighs/ (http://ingoalmag.com/news/francois-allaire-hall-fame-goaltending-world-weighs/)
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 12, 2017, 02:42:43 PM
Daniel "scored at the exact same pace per game as Zach Hyman despite playing with 4th liners all season long" Winnik gets a PTO from the Wild.

And I'm not even sure he'll get a job there, they've got a lot of forward depth it seems.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on September 12, 2017, 02:58:50 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on September 12, 2017, 02:42:43 PM
Daniel "scored at the exact same pace per game as Zach Hyman despite playing with 4th liners all season long" Winnik gets a PTO from the Wild.

And I'm not even sure he'll get a job there, they've got a lot of forward depth it seems.

If he wasn't already under contract with the Caps (derp), I would've liked to get him on a 1 year deal for the 4LW last season.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on September 12, 2017, 03:14:06 PM
Quote from: herman on September 12, 2017, 02:58:50 PM
If he wasn't already under contract with the Caps (derp), I would've liked to get him on a 1 year deal for the 4LW last season.

My dream scenario is signing Winnik to a one year deal every year and trading him for a second round pick.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on September 13, 2017, 03:19:35 PM
Stephen Desrocher is now a Columbus Blue Jacket.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Coco-puffs on September 13, 2017, 03:55:12 PM
Quote from: herman on September 13, 2017, 03:19:35 PM
Stephen Desrocher is now a Columbus Blue Jacket.

He's on a try out according to Elite Prospects:

http://www.eliteprospects.com/t.php?id=322330
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 14, 2017, 01:00:28 PM
https://twitter.com/cotsonika/status/908368268011888640

Hope this works out for Grabo. He missed all of last season with a concussion and struggled with that problem in seasons prior to that as well. He was traded to Vegas prior to the expansion draft along with a 1st and 2nd round pick. He's got 1 year left on his contract.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on September 19, 2017, 05:30:35 PM

[tweet]910251645224841217[/tweet]

Obviously best of luck to Boyle and his family on this one.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: hockeyfan1 on September 20, 2017, 03:34:06 AM
Sad news indeed, but wishing Boyle all the best in health and strength of spirit in conquering this.  The hockey world lends it's support:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/hockey-world-sends-support-brian-boyle-cancer-diagnosis/ (http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/hockey-world-sends-support-brian-boyle-cancer-diagnosis/)
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on September 22, 2017, 11:14:38 AM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on September 19, 2017, 05:30:35 PM

[tweet]910251645224841217[/tweet]

Obviously best of luck to Boyle and his family on this one.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/jason-blake-knows-well-whats-ahead-brian-boyle/

Friedman's preamble on Jason Blake's experience with the exact same diagnosis was touching.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on September 22, 2017, 11:15:34 AM
https://twitter.com/Aportzline/status/911245174973587456
www.twitter.com/Aportzline/status/911245174973587456

This is pretty amusing.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on September 22, 2017, 11:16:06 AM
Quote from: herman on September 22, 2017, 11:14:38 AM

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/jason-blake-knows-well-whats-ahead-brian-boyle/

Friedman's preamble on Jason Blake's experience with the exact same diagnosis was touching.

Thanks for posting this, I thought I was the only one touching myself while reading it.

:-X
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on September 22, 2017, 12:26:05 PM
Quote from: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on September 22, 2017, 11:16:06 AM
Thanks for posting this, I thought I was the only one touching myself while reading it.

:-X

It touched me. I didn't have to do any of the work.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on September 26, 2017, 12:14:11 PM

Frank Corrado is on waivers.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on September 26, 2017, 12:36:42 PM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on September 26, 2017, 12:14:11 PM

Frank Corrado is on waivers.

Pick him up, Lou!

Also, Rogle (Liljegren's SHL team) has signed Justin Pogge.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 27, 2017, 06:05:10 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on August 29, 2017, 12:00:58 PM
Jared Cowen signed a PTO with Colorado.

Aaaannnddd he was cut. Couldn't crack arguably the worst defence group in the league. They only have four NHL defencemen signed. FOUR!
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on September 27, 2017, 07:15:21 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on September 27, 2017, 06:05:10 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on August 29, 2017, 12:00:58 PM
Jared Cowen signed a PTO with Colorado.

Aaaannnddd he was cut. Couldn't crack arguably the worst defence group in the league. They only have four NHL defencemen signed. FOUR!

They should pick up Corrado.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 27, 2017, 07:42:28 PM
Quote from: herman on September 27, 2017, 07:15:21 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on September 27, 2017, 06:05:10 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on August 29, 2017, 12:00:58 PM
Jared Cowen signed a PTO with Colorado.

Aaaannnddd he was cut. Couldn't crack arguably the worst defence group in the league. They only have four NHL defencemen signed. FOUR!

They should pick up Corrado.

If Dubas got that job they absolutely would have.

Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 02, 2017, 10:04:23 AM
Peter Holland's gonna start the season in the AHL after he cleared waivers yesterday.

David Booth got a two-way contract with the Wings after taking part in their camp as a PTO. He's been out of the NHL for 2 seasons after his year with the Leafs. Detroit also cut Parenteau from his PTO today.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on October 02, 2017, 10:11:45 AM

I think I must have blocked out Booth being a Leaf from my memory.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 02, 2017, 10:16:17 AM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on October 02, 2017, 10:11:45 AM
I think I must have blocked out Booth being a Leaf from my memory.

My biggest memory of him was when he nailed Alfredsson that one time. Which is saying something because after looking for video of the hit I found that was actually Mark Bell.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 02, 2017, 10:17:50 AM
I found this fantastic piece of literature while looking up Booth stuff: https://tipofthetower.com/2015/07/04/toronto-maple-leafs-should-david-booth-be-the-next-captain/
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: cabber24 on October 02, 2017, 10:34:56 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on October 02, 2017, 10:17:50 AM
I found this fantastic piece of literature while looking up Booth stuff: https://tipofthetower.com/2015/07/04/toronto-maple-leafs-should-david-booth-be-the-next-captain/
Wow glad those days are behind us! Written just two summers ago.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: bustaheims on October 02, 2017, 10:41:35 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on October 02, 2017, 10:04:23 AM
Peter Holland's gonna start the season in the AHL after he cleared waivers yesterday.

David Booth got a two-way contract with the Wings after taking part in their camp as a PTO. He's been out of the NHL for 2 seasons after his year with the Leafs. Detroit also cut Parenteau from his PTO today.

Also, Jay McClement released from his PTO in Pittsburgh, while Jimmy Hayes got a one year, one-way deal in New Jersey.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bullfrog on October 02, 2017, 01:26:32 PM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on October 02, 2017, 10:11:45 AM

I think I must have blocked out Booth being a Leaf from my memory.

same, though apparently, he played 59 games on the team.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: cabber24 on October 02, 2017, 01:45:04 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on October 02, 2017, 01:26:32 PM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on October 02, 2017, 10:11:45 AM

I think I must have blocked out Booth being a Leaf from my memory.

same, though apparently, he played 59 games on the team.
Nice hair though...
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 02, 2017, 02:35:58 PM
https://twitter.com/dcmahiban/status/914920552040673280

Can't even crack an AHL team. Pretty sure Stuart Percy doesn't have a team right now either.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Zee on October 02, 2017, 02:38:57 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on October 02, 2017, 02:35:58 PM
https://twitter.com/dcmahiban/status/914920552040673280

Can't even crack an AHL team. Pretty sure Stuart Percy doesn't have a team right now either.

I think it's safe to say that first round pick didn't work out.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: cabber24 on October 02, 2017, 03:09:28 PM
Quote from: Zee on October 02, 2017, 02:38:57 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on October 02, 2017, 02:35:58 PM
https://twitter.com/dcmahiban/status/914920552040673280

Can't even crack an AHL team. Pretty sure Stuart Percy doesn't have a team right now either.

I think it's safe to say that first round pick didn't work out.
I thought with his high levels of "pugnacity, testosterone, truculence and belligerence" that he was a lock for a long successful career.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: bustaheims on October 02, 2017, 03:14:33 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on October 02, 2017, 02:35:58 PM
https://twitter.com/dcmahiban/status/914920552040673280

Can't even crack an AHL team. Pretty sure Stuart Percy doesn't have a team right now either.

The trade up to pick him is the failure that keeps on failing.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on October 04, 2017, 10:33:06 AM

Chicago has announced that they've signed Franson to a one year deal.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Frank E on October 04, 2017, 10:44:23 AM
Speaking of ex-Leafs, I can't believe that Tim Gleason is still on the payroll.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Highlander on October 06, 2017, 08:48:44 AM
Man, was he bad!
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on October 06, 2017, 10:20:39 PM
Leipsic almost scored on the powerplay:
https://twitter.com/ChartingHockey/status/916488059759288320

Edit: This game is madness.
https://twitter.com/ChartingHockey/status/916488912889098240

Edit: it's like they already hate each other (thanks to James Neal)
Vegas has their first ever lead now, also thanks to Neal.
https://twitter.com/chartinghockey/status/916503068770029568

Edit: and now they've claimed victory (Fleury power)
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on October 11, 2017, 12:28:07 PM
https://twitter.com/myregularface/status/917969011140329473

This is Leipsic's super fun assist on Lindberg's goal.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on October 11, 2017, 12:30:47 PM

There's a chance, a chance, that Leipsic might be a pretty good player.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: L K on October 11, 2017, 05:06:36 PM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on October 11, 2017, 12:30:47 PM

There's a chance, a chance, that Leipsic might be a pretty good player.

It seems like there is no way Leipseic would be playing for the Leafs right now, but I wonder if Vegas would have even taken Martin?  Maybe they take Rychel instead which would be absolutely no loss and then we would still have Kapanen/Leipseic as first callups if we ever get an injury or decide to trade JVR for a defense upgrade.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on October 24, 2017, 10:24:58 AM
Laich doesn't really like to talk about his time with the Leafs.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nhl/news/los-angeles-kings-brooks-laich-excited-another-nhl-chance-los-angeles-kings-toronto-maple-leafs-marlies-roster-lineup-transactions/xyi2fcvcdqsb1sieea17zglez

But he will talk about Marlies skills coach Mike Ellis, whom he credits for preparing him for this opportunity with the Kings.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on October 26, 2017, 09:37:42 AM
It is my great pleasure to send you all to this link:
https://www.nhl.com/video/griffiths-top-shelf-tally/t-277752844/c-53874203

That slice of cheese was so delicious that Vezina trophy winner Sergei Bobrovsky had to skate it off after a moment contemplating his life choices.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Coco-puffs on October 26, 2017, 10:01:57 AM
Quote from: herman on October 26, 2017, 09:37:42 AM
It is my great pleasure to send you all to this link:
https://www.nhl.com/video/griffiths-top-shelf-tally/t-277752844/c-53874203

That slice of cheese was so delicious that Vezina trophy winner Sergei Bobrovsky had to skate it off after a moment contemplating his life choices.

LOL... Garbage time goal against (up 4-0) to break the shutout... I doubt he's worried about his life choices, just mad he lost the shutout
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 26, 2017, 10:04:58 AM
I dunno, getting scored on by an AHLer must really bug NHL goalies.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on October 26, 2017, 10:05:11 AM
Quote from: Coco-puffs on October 26, 2017, 10:01:57 AM
LOL... Garbage time goal against (up 4-0) to break the shutout... I doubt he's worried about his life choices, just mad he lost the shutout

Hush, friend. I'm trying to make Griffith a thing.

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on October 26, 2017, 10:04:58 AM
I dunno, getting scored on by an AHLer must really bug NHL goalies.

BITE YOUR TONGUE, MISTER.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 26, 2017, 10:10:21 AM
Quote from: herman on October 26, 2017, 10:05:11 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on October 26, 2017, 10:04:58 AM
I dunno, getting scored on by an AHLer must really bug NHL goalies.

BITE YOUR TONGUE, MISTER.

(https://media.tenor.com/images/18b85a961c8676f4adfaa170e62e7495/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on October 26, 2017, 10:19:10 AM
Could an AHLer* be top 10 in goal scoring for the Buffalo Sabres and tied for 4th in even strength goals?

* yeah, the Sabres are bad.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 26, 2017, 10:24:56 AM
Quote from: herman on October 26, 2017, 10:19:10 AM
Could an AHLer* be top 10 in goal scoring for the Buffalo Sabres and tied for 4th in even strength goals?

* yeah, the Sabres are bad.

*I* could probably be top 10 in goal scoring for the Buffalo Sabres and tied for 4th in even strength goals.

For those unaware, that was Griffith's only goal this season.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on October 26, 2017, 03:51:12 PM

[tweet]923631376447954946[/tweet]

Raymond! Frattin! Bartleby!
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on October 26, 2017, 04:48:53 PM
That's a lot of ex-Leaf-prospects!

And the recently bought out Simon Despres who was too broken to play for the Cap-crunched Ducks.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Highlander on October 27, 2017, 02:58:35 PM
Unless the Frattin 8)
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on November 02, 2017, 11:55:06 PM
For posterity:
https://twitter.com/dcmahiban/status/926289652457377792
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on November 09, 2017, 09:15:44 PM
[tweet]928790821981192193[/tweet]
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: anton girdeaux on November 20, 2017, 02:04:27 PM
Andre Deveaux recently signed to play this season in the EIHL (UK) with Sheffield.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Arn on November 22, 2017, 05:18:12 AM
Another former Leaf legend, Jay Rosehill, is also playing in the EIHL with Manchester.

He's recently been banned for a game though.

QuoteThe video footage shows Rosehill in possession and control of the puck as he skates towards the attacking zone corner boards. 

With possession of the puck, Rosehill knows that he runs the risk of being body checked.  The opposing player did deliver a body check considered routine and legal.

The actions of Rosehill after receiving a legal body check are unacceptable and no part of hockey. 

As a result, the incident was raised to supplementary discipline. 

Considering the score is 9-2 at the time, Rosehill took it upon himself to think he is something bigger than the game, in combination with the score and the fact he did not accept or want to accept a legal body check. 

This is not considered a fight. It is considered a pointless action with no need or outcome that helps the game. 

Pulling an opposing player down, getting up and pushing the opposing player down with his left hand to land a punch with his right to a non-willing and defenceless player and following it up with a headlock tackle is all considered to be gutless and disrespectful to the game.

Rosehill needs to control his emotions.

If he feels the score is a determining factor to lead to such actions (sometimes known as 'sending a message'), Rosehill needs to learn to control his emotions and refrain from "old school" tactics in the modern-day game. 

Having such physical actions on a non-willing opposing player, is not and will never be considered a fight. 

Due to this reason, Jay Rosehill must do a better job of refraining from such actions.

Quite the statement from the league's new Player Safety department.

You can watch the incident here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4v8ODGrg7Q
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: anton girdeaux on November 22, 2017, 03:10:42 PM
Quote from: Arn on November 22, 2017, 05:18:12 AM
Another former Leaf legend, Jay Rosehill, is also playing in the EIHL with Manchester.

He's recently been banned for a game though.

QuoteThe video footage shows Rosehill in possession and control of the puck as he skates towards the attacking zone corner boards. 

With possession of the puck, Rosehill knows that he runs the risk of being body checked.  The opposing player did deliver a body check considered routine and legal.

The actions of Rosehill after receiving a legal body check are unacceptable and no part of hockey. 

As a result, the incident was raised to supplementary discipline. 

Considering the score is 9-2 at the time, Rosehill took it upon himself to think he is something bigger than the game, in combination with the score and the fact he did not accept or want to accept a legal body check. 

This is not considered a fight. It is considered a pointless action with no need or outcome that helps the game. 

Pulling an opposing player down, getting up and pushing the opposing player down with his left hand to land a punch with his right to a non-willing and defenceless player and following it up with a headlock tackle is all considered to be gutless and disrespectful to the game.

Rosehill needs to control his emotions.

If he feels the score is a determining factor to lead to such actions (sometimes known as 'sending a message'), Rosehill needs to learn to control his emotions and refrain from "old school" tactics in the modern-day game. 

Having such physical actions on a non-willing opposing player, is not and will never be considered a fight. 

Due to this reason, Jay Rosehill must do a better job of refraining from such actions.

Quite the statement from the league's new Player Safety department.

You can watch the incident here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4v8ODGrg7Q

Quite the telling off in all honesty; DOPS have come along way in such a short period of time.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Coco-puffs on November 23, 2017, 12:01:22 AM
Quote from: anton girdeaux on November 22, 2017, 03:10:42 PM
Quote from: Arn on November 22, 2017, 05:18:12 AM
Another former Leaf legend, Jay Rosehill, is also playing in the EIHL with Manchester.

He's recently been banned for a game though.

QuoteThe video footage shows Rosehill in possession and control of the puck as he skates towards the attacking zone corner boards. 

With possession of the puck, Rosehill knows that he runs the risk of being body checked.  The opposing player did deliver a body check considered routine and legal.

The actions of Rosehill after receiving a legal body check are unacceptable and no part of hockey. 

As a result, the incident was raised to supplementary discipline. 

Considering the score is 9-2 at the time, Rosehill took it upon himself to think he is something bigger than the game, in combination with the score and the fact he did not accept or want to accept a legal body check. 

This is not considered a fight. It is considered a pointless action with no need or outcome that helps the game. 

Pulling an opposing player down, getting up and pushing the opposing player down with his left hand to land a punch with his right to a non-willing and defenceless player and following it up with a headlock tackle is all considered to be gutless and disrespectful to the game.

Rosehill needs to control his emotions.

If he feels the score is a determining factor to lead to such actions (sometimes known as 'sending a message'), Rosehill needs to learn to control his emotions and refrain from "old school" tactics in the modern-day game. 

Having such physical actions on a non-willing opposing player, is not and will never be considered a fight. 

Due to this reason, Jay Rosehill must do a better job of refraining from such actions.

Quite the statement from the league's new Player Safety department.

You can watch the incident here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4v8ODGrg7Q

Quite the telling off in all honesty; DOPS have come along way in such a short period of time.

Yet, its still a one game ban.  Can't wait to see what gets said when its a 6-gamer.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on November 26, 2017, 01:10:02 PM

[tweet]934830991478210560[/tweet]

It's so hard, to say goodbye, to yesterdayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 26, 2017, 01:28:39 PM
Then: Lou's treating these NHLers unfairly and it's going to bite him in the butt one day

Now: Laich, Michalek, Greening, and Cowen all prove they aren't NHLers
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 26, 2017, 01:47:46 PM
The bad news about this Griffith thing: if he clears he'll play for Rochester who are right behind the Marlies in the AHL's North division.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on November 26, 2017, 02:17:04 PM
I will laugh so hard if we claim Griffith again.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on November 26, 2017, 02:43:02 PM
Quote from: herman on November 26, 2017, 02:17:04 PM
I will laugh so hard if we claim Griffith again.

Yeah, this seems like a management team that will admit to having made a mistake and look for a creative solution to their issues.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on November 26, 2017, 10:37:30 PM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on November 26, 2017, 02:43:02 PM
Yeah, this seems like a management team that will admit to having made a mistake and look for a creative solution to their issues.

A goal-scoring winger getting waived from the goal-starved bottom feeding Buffalo Sabres has to be the kiss of death for an NHL career though.

Laich is likely to retire now.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on November 26, 2017, 10:41:49 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on November 26, 2017, 01:28:39 PM
Then: Lou's treating these NHLers unfairly and it's going to bite him in the butt one day

Now: Laich, Michalek, Greening, and Cowen all prove they aren't NHLers

I guess we also have to add to the list the fringe-NHLers the Leafs also seemingly didn't give a shot last season: Holland, Corrado

In the meantime Greg McKegg is anchoring a Penguins' centre spot.

*weeps
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 30, 2017, 06:32:32 PM
https://twitter.com/mirtle/status/936348131028901888

Eeesh...
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Highlander on December 05, 2017, 08:16:07 PM
Quote from: herman on November 26, 2017, 10:37:30 PM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on November 26, 2017, 02:43:02 PM
Yeah, this seems like a management team that will admit to having made a mistake and look for a creative solution to their issues.

A goal-scoring winger getting waived from the goal-starved bottom feeding Buffalo Sabres has to be the kiss of death for an NHL career though.

Laich is likely to retire now.
Herman, you fell in love with Seth, I fell in love with Matty the Frattinator, I have learned that any Leaf can be traded or falls of the radar screen, save Auston Powers Matthews.  Nough said!
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on December 06, 2017, 02:32:37 PM
Quote from: herman on November 26, 2017, 10:41:49 PM
In the meantime Greg McKegg is anchoring a Penguins' centre spot.

*weeps

Make that was:

[tweet]938453846346620931[/tweet]

Pour one out for ol' Greggo.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: bustaheims on December 06, 2017, 03:29:21 PM
That what happens when you have a leg for an arm and an arm for a leg.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on December 06, 2017, 03:32:55 PM
I don't know whether to continue weeping or rejoice...

Oh I know, let's trade them Eric Fehr.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Zee on December 06, 2017, 03:49:53 PM
I still like Greg McKegg's smirk in pictures.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on January 06, 2018, 02:35:16 PM
Frankie's back on the wire :(
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on January 08, 2018, 01:08:29 PM
And now Franson's on waivers.

Before anyone says we should claim him: we're at 50 contracts at the moment.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 08, 2018, 01:11:42 PM
Quote from: herman on January 08, 2018, 01:08:29 PM
And now Franson's on waivers.

That is stupid and we should claim him but we won't.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on January 08, 2018, 01:21:13 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 08, 2018, 01:11:42 PM
Quote from: herman on January 08, 2018, 01:08:29 PM
And now Franson's on waivers.

That is stupid and we should claim him but we won't.

I doubt he makes it all the way to our slot anyway, even if we did have the space.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 08, 2018, 01:29:49 PM
Quote from: herman on January 08, 2018, 01:21:13 PM
I doubt he makes it all the way to our slot anyway, even if we did have the space.

Ah, I had no idea we were at 50 contracts. That's a bummer.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on January 08, 2018, 01:42:50 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 08, 2018, 01:29:49 PM
Quote from: herman on January 08, 2018, 01:21:13 PM
I doubt he makes it all the way to our slot anyway, even if we did have the space.

Ah, I had no idea we were at 50 contracts. That's a bummer.

Grundstrom's status was re-assessed back in December and ruled not exempt as he was loaned to a professional mens team in Sweden, not a junior team.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 08, 2018, 02:11:12 PM
Quote from: herman on January 08, 2018, 01:42:50 PM
Grundstrom's status was re-assessed back in December and ruled not exempt as he was loaned to a professional mens team in Sweden, not a junior team.

Not sure where you heard this but I don't think that's right. Grundstrom's 20 years old, so his contract isn't a slide candidate. It'll count against the books regardless of where he plays. So he would have counted against the 50 contract list from the get-go.

Also if Grundstrom's contract was a slide risk then he would have been exempt from the list as long as he was loaned out to Europe. Doesn't matter if it's on a professional or junior team. Nylander was exempt from the list when he played in Modo for half the season in his first year.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on January 08, 2018, 02:25:12 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 08, 2018, 02:11:12 PM
Quote from: herman on January 08, 2018, 01:42:50 PM
Grundstrom's status was re-assessed back in December and ruled not exempt as he was loaned to a professional mens team in Sweden, not a junior team.

Not sure where you heard this but I don't think that's right. Grundstrom's 20 years old, so his contract isn't a slide candidate. It'll count against the books regardless of where he plays. So he would have counted against the 50 contract list from the get-go.

Also if Grundstrom's contract was a slide risk then he would have been exempt from the list as long as he was loaned out to Europe. Doesn't matter if it's on a professional or junior team. Nylander was exempt from the list when he played in Modo for half the season in his first year.

You are correct. My wording implied that the league re-assessed, when in actuality it was CapFriendly re-assessing their classification of Grundstrom.

Anyway, I was going based on this: https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2017/12/12/16767474/toronto-maple-leafs-at-50-spc-limit-per-report parroting the reported reason there, but didn't look up the real reason until after I posted that.

https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/950422435119157253
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on January 09, 2018, 01:42:22 PM
Franson cleared. So... we could technically trade for him.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Highlander on January 09, 2018, 02:53:49 PM
I would rather have Cody than Polak
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on January 09, 2018, 03:09:21 PM
Quote from: Highlander on January 09, 2018, 02:53:49 PM
I would rather have Cody than Polak

I think most of us would even though it'd be a bit of a lateral move.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on February 13, 2018, 03:08:41 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/963458297436151808

Colour me surprised to learn that Carlyle was willing to let go of his 2D.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on February 23, 2018, 08:36:53 PM
https://twitter.com/jeffveillette/status/967191484016615424

I feel betrayed
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Highlander on February 24, 2018, 12:09:58 PM
Quote from: herman on February 23, 2018, 08:36:53 PM
https://twitter.com/jeffveillette/status/967191484016615424

I feel betrayed
Who?.....by Sparks?   ;)
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 01, 2018, 05:40:05 PM
Leipsic made his Canuck debut on their top line with Horvat and Boeser last night. He played 17:49 and recorded 2 assists. This could be a really great opportunity for him.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on March 06, 2018, 02:32:13 AM
https://twitter.com/ryanbiech/status/970896825891766272
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 06, 2018, 09:53:22 AM
Quote from: herman on March 06, 2018, 02:32:13 AM
https://twitter.com/ryanbiech/status/970896825891766272

I never understood why they decided to protect Leivo instead of Leipsic.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on March 06, 2018, 10:35:39 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 06, 2018, 09:53:22 AM
Quote from: herman on March 06, 2018, 02:32:13 AM
https://twitter.com/ryanbiech/status/970896825891766272

I never understood why they decided to protect Leivo instead of Leipsic.

Or Martin. Some of that has to be good attitude about a raw deal (Leivo) and good vet UFA vibes (Martin). I don't think Leipsic, like Rychel, was getting an opening here barring catestrophic injuries down the left anyway.

Leipsic ended the night with 2 goals and a beauty assist but also probably three too many penalties and turnovers in about 16 min of ice time.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 06, 2018, 10:47:17 AM
Quote from: herman on March 06, 2018, 10:35:39 AM
Or Martin. Some of that has to be good attitude about a raw deal (Leivo) and good vet UFA vibes (Martin). I don't think Leipsic, like Rychel, was getting an opening here barring catestrophic injuries down the left anyway.

Well yeah, obviously, but I understand that one in the sense that Babcock just plainly wanted to keep him around. The choice was always going to go down to Leipsic or Leivo, and I just don't get how they settled on Leivo. Leipsic's the better skater and I think his game translates better at the NHL level even if it's just in a 4th line role.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on March 06, 2018, 11:05:47 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 06, 2018, 10:47:17 AM
Quote from: herman on March 06, 2018, 10:35:39 AM
Or Martin. Some of that has to be good attitude about a raw deal (Leivo) and good vet UFA vibes (Martin). I don't think Leipsic, like Rychel, was getting an opening here barring catestrophic injuries down the left anyway.

Well yeah, obviously, but I understand that one in the sense that Babcock just plainly wanted to keep him around. The choice was always going to go down to Leipsic or Leivo, and I just don't get how they settled on Leivo. Leipsic's the better skater and I think his game translates better at the NHL level even if it's just in a 4th line role.

Size discrimination? Tie goes to the veteran/picked prospect more often than not. Not saying it makes any sense, but those were the hills Leipsic had in front of him. Judging by Dubas' twitter likes, it's not hard to see where he fell on that decision.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Highlander on March 06, 2018, 07:48:28 PM
Quote from: herman on March 06, 2018, 02:32:13 AM
https://twitter.com/ryanbiech/status/970896825891766272
I like Brendan L and he made one great play that the Leafs taught him. LOL.  As long as we trade a 2nd for him down the road, I will have him back. Only this has to be after Leivo is in the top 10 in the scoring race.......in 2023
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on March 22, 2018, 12:45:02 PM
https://twitter.com/odognine2/status/976464507861049344

Some good heartwarming stuff right there.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 22, 2018, 01:08:14 PM
It's a shame that Stajan isn't a little better than he actually is because I would have loved to bring him back here as the 4C next season.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on March 23, 2018, 09:31:49 PM

Some great news re: Eddie

http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/22876605/eddie-olczyk-chicago-blackhawks-broadcaster-announces-cancer-free (http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/22876605/eddie-olczyk-chicago-blackhawks-broadcaster-announces-cancer-free)
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Coco-puffs on June 14, 2018, 02:59:07 PM
P.A. Parenteau announced his retirement today.

https://www.tsn.ca/report-parenteau-to-retire-after-10-year-career-1.1112633

Someone posted this on twitter, and I can't stop playing it over and over again... so I'll leave it here for ya'll to enjoy too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=9DdwZmhmidE
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 14, 2018, 03:07:31 PM
P.A. Parenteau led the Toronto Maple Leafs in goals one season. Pretty nice accomplishment for a guy who didn't become a NHL regular until he was 27 years old.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: bustaheims on June 14, 2018, 03:19:12 PM
The Kool-Aid Man is reportedly heading back to the KHL:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/report-nikolay-kulemin-leaving-nhl-play-khl/
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 14, 2018, 03:21:43 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on June 14, 2018, 03:19:12 PM
The Kool-Aid Man is reportedly heading back to the KHL:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/report-nikolay-kulemin-leaving-nhl-play-khl/

One of my favourite players during a not-so-great Leafs era.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on June 14, 2018, 03:35:19 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 14, 2018, 03:21:43 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on June 14, 2018, 03:19:12 PM
The Kool-Aid Man is reportedly heading back to the KHL:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/report-nikolay-kulemin-leaving-nhl-play-khl/

One of my favourite players during a not-so-great Leafs era.

+1
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: cabber24 on June 14, 2018, 03:36:40 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 14, 2018, 03:21:43 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on June 14, 2018, 03:19:12 PM
The Kool-Aid Man is reportedly heading back to the KHL:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/report-nikolay-kulemin-leaving-nhl-play-khl/

One of my favourite players during a not-so-great Leafs era.
I don't remember him scoring 30? How come he didn't get a Clarkson like contract? Congrats on a decent career, not easy to make it 10 years.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: bustaheims on June 14, 2018, 04:08:50 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 14, 2018, 03:21:43 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on June 14, 2018, 03:19:12 PM
The Kool-Aid Man is reportedly heading back to the KHL:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/report-nikolay-kulemin-leaving-nhl-play-khl/

One of my favourite players during a not-so-great Leafs era.

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y293/busterh69/newkoolaidman.jpg)
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on June 15, 2018, 10:38:52 AM
Ben Smith makes it official with Addler Mannheim (DEL) with a 3-year deal.

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-marlies/2018/6/15/17467422/ben-smith-toronto-marlies-maple-leafs-has-signed-a-three-year-deal-in-the-german-league

How many players win a Calder Cup after a Stanley Cup?
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Arn on June 18, 2018, 04:42:20 AM
Will have to try and time my annual Eisbaren Berlin trip with a Mannheim game next season. Adds a bit of extra interest.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: cabber24 on August 29, 2018, 10:25:12 AM
Stajan to Germany.

https://www.tsn.ca/ex-flames-f-stajan-signs-in-germany-1.1164394 (https://www.tsn.ca/ex-flames-f-stajan-signs-in-germany-1.1164394)

Nice guy but was never a favorite of mine, so so soft. His stint in Toronto was during a terrible stretch of Leaf hockey.

I was looking at his career stats. I cannot believe he played in CGY longer then TOR. Played 1,003 regular season games and just 17 career playoff.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: cabber24 on August 29, 2018, 10:35:22 AM
I am guessing out of all the players that have played 1,000 regular season games Stajan would have played in the least playoff games.

Can anyone confirm? I cannot figure out how to confirm my suspicion.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 29, 2018, 11:04:13 AM
If he was still an effective 4C I would have loved for him to return here for a season and retire a Leaf (preferably with a Cup). One of my favourite Leafs from those days. Unfortunately this past season seemed to definitely prove his NHL days were done.

1000 games before he even turned 35 years old though is a heck of an accomplishment.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 29, 2018, 11:16:46 AM
Quote from: cabber24 on August 29, 2018, 10:35:22 AM
I am guessing out of all the players that have played 1,000 regular season games Stajan would have played in the least playoff games.

Can anyone confirm? I cannot figure out how to confirm my suspicion.

I kinda just eyeballed this (looked at the list of players with 1000+ games on wikipedia, and checked guys who played since expansion in the 90s on mostly bad teams) and I do believe Stajan holds that unflattering record. Steve Staios, Eric Brewer, and Derek Morris were the next closest and they're all in the 30s for playoff GP.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Deebo on August 29, 2018, 11:36:49 AM
Olli Jokinen

1231 regular season games, 6 playoff games
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 29, 2018, 11:39:58 AM
Quote from: Deebo on August 29, 2018, 11:36:49 AM
Olli Jokinen

1231 regular season games, 6 playoff games


Wow how could I have missed Leafs legend Olli Jokinen.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: cabber24 on August 29, 2018, 12:00:16 PM
Quote from: Deebo on August 29, 2018, 11:36:49 AM
Olli Jokinen

1231 regular season games, 6 playoff games
Wow... that's brutal.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bates on August 29, 2018, 12:28:09 PM
Hainsey would be in a close 2nd place this season had Pittsburgh not rented him last year.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on September 01, 2018, 11:34:18 AM

Looks like Kris Versteeg is heading to the KHL.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: bustaheims on September 05, 2018, 02:53:04 PM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on September 01, 2018, 11:34:18 AM

Looks like Kris Versteeg is heading to the KHL.

Looks like Franson is, as well.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 18, 2018, 06:54:30 PM
https://twitter.com/NYIslanders/status/1042181345798246400

(https://media.giphy.com/media/S3Ot3hZ5bcy8o/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bullfrog on September 18, 2018, 08:05:56 PM
My prediction: 35 goals for Komarov.  8)
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Arn on September 19, 2018, 03:18:00 PM
I'm currently watching former Leafs prospect Tyler Biggs playing for Nottingham Panthers in Belfast. He has 1 assist so far.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: cabber24 on September 19, 2018, 03:46:01 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on September 18, 2018, 06:54:30 PM
https://twitter.com/NYIslanders/status/1042181345798246400

(https://media.giphy.com/media/S3Ot3hZ5bcy8o/giphy.gif)
I thought for sure there was no chance in hell that Kamarov would ever be an All-Star again but playing with those two, who knows?
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 24, 2018, 11:21:39 AM
https://twitter.com/StapeAthletic/status/1044243190944067584

"Our young kids were excellent but I brought in too many crappy veterans so all the spots are gone."
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Andy on October 05, 2018, 04:40:02 PM
Nice debut in Dallas for Connor Carrick. 2 assists, +2 rating and over 16 minutes of ice time.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Highlander on October 06, 2018, 11:57:16 AM
No doubt he will end up a 3-4 guy :'(
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: OldTimeHockey on October 06, 2018, 03:58:52 PM
Quote from: Highlander on October 06, 2018, 11:57:16 AM
No doubt he will end up a 3-4 guy :'(

1 game and you're annointing him a middle pairing dman? He was #8 on our terrible blue line.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 16, 2018, 01:44:29 PM
https://twitter.com/andystrickland/status/1052253593326288896

I legit forgot this guy existed. He's reaching Carlo Colaiacovo levels of injury-proneness... out because he got hit in the ear with a puck over the summer.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on October 17, 2018, 06:00:10 PM
Is there a Major Ex-Leaf News thread?

https://twitter.com/jtbourne/status/1052650242053627905
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: disco on October 26, 2018, 03:47:01 PM
W5 documentary on Bryan Berard and others who trusted the wrong financial advisor, losing millions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhDUbi0WZBA
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on November 27, 2018, 12:45:48 PM

Cujo has a book out. In this excerpt he talks about growing up in a psychiatric facility his parents were running. It's pretty bizarre:

https://deadspin.com/why-an-nhl-legend-grew-up-in-a-group-home-for-the-menta-1830665478 (https://deadspin.com/why-an-nhl-legend-grew-up-in-a-group-home-for-the-menta-1830665478)
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on December 02, 2018, 03:38:19 PM
https://twitter.com/cf_transactions/status/1069290648036155394

Played Fortnite on the road, oops.

Edit: LA claims Leipsic
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 03, 2018, 05:29:43 PM
Quote from: herman on December 02, 2018, 03:38:19 PM
Edit: LA claims Leipsic

Pretty bizarre Leipsic stat that I just read: in almost 38 minutes of powerplay time he's been on the ice for 2 goals for... and 3 goals against.

He's just one of 4 players with a sub-50% GF on the PP (with over 35 minutes played). Provorov, Marcus Johansson, and Leipsic's former teammate Loui Eriksson are the others.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Zee on December 03, 2018, 06:33:54 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 03, 2018, 05:29:43 PM
Quote from: herman on December 02, 2018, 03:38:19 PM
Edit: LA claims Leipsic

Pretty bizarre Leipsic stat that I just read: in almost 38 minutes of powerplay time he's been on the ice for 2 goals for... and 3 goals against.

He's just one of 4 players with a sub-50% GF on the PP (with over 35 minutes played). Provorov, Marcus Johansson, and Leipsic's former teammate Loui Eriksson are the others.
I remember there were a lot of Leafs fans upset when he lost him in expansion. That was much ado about nothing
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Arn on December 04, 2018, 06:58:23 AM
The Tyler Biggs saga takes a new twist. After 9 points in 24 British Elite League games...

http://www.panthers.co.uk/home/biggs-announces-his-departure
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Dappleganger on December 04, 2018, 11:45:39 AM
Quote from: Zee on December 03, 2018, 06:33:54 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 03, 2018, 05:29:43 PM
Quote from: herman on December 02, 2018, 03:38:19 PM
Edit: LA claims Leipsic

Pretty bizarre Leipsic stat that I just read: in almost 38 minutes of powerplay time he's been on the ice for 2 goals for... and 3 goals against.

He's just one of 4 players with a sub-50% GF on the PP (with over 35 minutes played). Provorov, Marcus Johansson, and Leipsic's former teammate Loui Eriksson are the others.
I remember there were a lot of Leafs fans upset when he lost him in expansion. That was much ado about nothing

These type of players usually are. I'm just happy when they find a regular spot on a team. They rarely end up being difference makers.

I think of guys like Jay Harrison who weren't quite good enough to stick with the Leafs but caught on with another club and put together a couple good years.

Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on December 04, 2018, 07:06:51 PM
Quote from: Zee on December 03, 2018, 06:33:54 PM
I remember there were a lot of Leafs fans upset when he lost him in expansion. That was much ado about nothing

What you remember is that there were a number of Leafs fans who thought the Leafs should probably protect him instead of, say, Matt Martin or Josh Leivo. Nobody thought he was going to be a star, just that it was a bad decision to lose him instead of guys who the Leafs subsequently gave away.

And honestly despite him being on waivers, I still think that's true. Even now I'd rather see what he could do as a 4th line LW than Ennis.

edit to add: He had 14 points in 31 games with the Canucks, which is a 37 point pace. For his career he's got 31 points in 81 games in 4th line minutes. He's basically 150% of Seth Griffith.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on December 04, 2018, 07:38:14 PM

Nah, you know what? I am still mad about that. Leipsic and Johnsson are about the same age, same size but Leipsic was a better AHL scorer and has, so far, been a better NHL scorer. The idea that Johnsson is some terrific prospect we should be afraid to lose because of a cap crunch while Leipsic is bouncing around strikes me as the kind of thinking that defers way too much to NHL authority.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on December 04, 2018, 09:13:46 PM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on December 04, 2018, 07:06:51 PM
He's basically 150% of Seth Griffith.

How dare you. You're right.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Zee on December 04, 2018, 09:21:58 PM
Quote from: herman on December 04, 2018, 09:13:46 PM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on December 04, 2018, 07:06:51 PM
He's basically 150% of Seth Griffith.

How dare you. You're right.
Can we even compute his Carter Ashton relative worth?
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: cabber24 on December 04, 2018, 11:22:02 PM
Levio scores 7 minutes into his first game on Vancouver.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on December 04, 2018, 11:29:07 PM
Quote from: cabber24 on December 04, 2018, 11:22:02 PM
Levio scores 7 minutes into his first game on Vancouver.

That's wild. I wonder if he even left Minnesota. Haha this game is in Vancouver.

https://twitter.com/Canucks/status/1070158401236164609

His Matthews impression is pretty okay here.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on December 05, 2018, 08:49:08 PM

The Senators re-acquired Tobias Lindberg today, getting him from Pittsburgh.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Arn on December 11, 2018, 09:44:17 AM
Just booked a trip to Munich at the end of January where I plan to catch Red Bulls Munchen playing Grizzly Adams Wolfsburg, I shall report back on the plethora of former Leafs on the Munich team (Stajan, John Mitchell and of course, Keith Aulie)
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Highlander on December 11, 2018, 01:06:41 PM
At the end of the day will Stajan think of himself as a Leaf or a Flame? Didn't even know he wasn't still in Calgary.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Guilt Trip on December 11, 2018, 04:44:28 PM
Quote from: Highlander on December 11, 2018, 01:06:41 PM
At the end of the day will Stajan think of himself as a Leaf or a Flame? Didn't even know he wasn't still in Calgary.
A Flame...Stajan made the playoffs only 3 times in 15 years....wow, some horrible Leafs and Flames teams.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 26, 2018, 02:58:34 PM
https://twitter.com/mooredom/status/1075810071215525888

Pretty happy for Moore here. 38 years old and representing Canada for the very first time.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on December 26, 2018, 03:23:08 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 26, 2018, 02:58:34 PM
https://twitter.com/mooredom/status/1075810071215525888

Pretty happy for Moore here. 38 years old and representing Canada for the very first time.

He's a guy who made it work on the margins for a long time in the top league. Glad for him too.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Arn on December 31, 2018, 03:43:22 AM
Winnik and DiDomenico also in the squad. Canada in the final at 11am GMT today
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on January 11, 2019, 10:21:51 PM
https://twitter.com/OfficialGrabo/status/1083838755289657344
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Zee on January 12, 2019, 11:32:48 AM
Quote from: herman on January 11, 2019, 10:21:51 PM
https://twitter.com/OfficialGrabo/status/1083838755289657344
Those acting chops on Grabovski
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on January 12, 2019, 01:56:01 PM
https://twitter.com/officialgrabo/status/1083485227891056640
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 12, 2019, 05:21:22 PM
Always liked Grabbo. Decent player for sure.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Arn on January 30, 2019, 05:54:05 PM
So on Sunday I was in Munich and I went to catch the DEL game between EHC Red Bull Munchen and Wolfsburg (sadly I missed most of the first period cos I was commuting fro the Bayern Munich v Stuttgart football match, some day of sport!)

They have 3 ex-Leafs on their roster. John Mitchell is sadly injured, which is a shame as he is the team's top point scorer despite having played about 10 games less than anyone else playing mostly on the top line and their PP.

The other 2 are Keith Aulie who is on the top D pair and Matt Stajan.

Possibly surprisingly Stajan was mostly on the 3rd line, but played a good bit on the PK also. Munich are looking to with a 4th consecutive German title and are the first German team to make a final of the European Champions Cup where they play Frolunda from Sweden in a few weeks.

Munchen were a great team to watch, won the game 3-1 with an ENG. None of the former Leafs picked up a point, but it was very fun to see Stajan especially who was one I remember coming through when I was in my early days of Leaf fandom
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Highlander on January 31, 2019, 12:36:40 PM
Quote from: Arn on January 30, 2019, 05:54:05 PM
So on Sunday I was in Munich and I went to catch the DEL game between EHC Red Bull Munchen and Wolfsburg (sadly I missed most of the first period cos I was commuting fro the Bayern Munich v Stuttgart football match, some day of sport!)

They have 3 ex-Leafs on their roster. John Mitchell is sadly injured, which is a shame as he is the team's top point scorer despite having played about 10 games less than anyone else playing mostly on the top line and their PP.

The other 2 are Keith Aulie who is on the top D pair and Matt Stajan.

Possibly surprisingly Stajan was mostly on the 3rd line, but played a good bit on the PK also. Munich are looking to with a 4th consecutive German title and are the first German team to make a final of the European Champions Cup where they play Frolunda from Sweden in a few weeks.

Munchen were a great team to watch, won the game 3-1 with an ENG. None of the former Leafs picked up a point, but it was very fun to see Stajan especially who was one I remember coming through when I was in my early days of Leaf fandom
Thanks for this story, what I find interesting is Stajan is playing for the love of the game.  Let's face it he made enough money over his NHL career with pensions to retire and have a home in the U.S and a couple of homes in Canada.  He can do what the hell he wants, but here he is playing in Germany, away from home and family (I am making an assumption he has one), yes for money, but for the love of the game.  Makes me wonder why we pay these guys so much, they would probably play for free if the truth be told.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 31, 2019, 05:04:43 PM
Quote from: Highlander on January 31, 2019, 12:36:40 PM
Quote from: Arn on January 30, 2019, 05:54:05 PM
So on Sunday I was in Munich and I went to catch the DEL game between EHC Red Bull Munchen and Wolfsburg (sadly I missed most of the first period cos I was commuting fro the Bayern Munich v Stuttgart football match, some day of sport!)

They have 3 ex-Leafs on their roster. John Mitchell is sadly injured, which is a shame as he is the team's top point scorer despite having played about 10 games less than anyone else playing mostly on the top line and their PP.

The other 2 are Keith Aulie who is on the top D pair and Matt Stajan.

Possibly surprisingly Stajan was mostly on the 3rd line, but played a good bit on the PK also. Munich are looking to with a 4th consecutive German title and are the first German team to make a final of the European Champions Cup where they play Frolunda from Sweden in a few weeks.

Munchen were a great team to watch, won the game 3-1 with an ENG. None of the former Leafs picked up a point, but it was very fun to see Stajan especially who was one I remember coming through when I was in my early days of Leaf fandom
Thanks for this story, what I find interesting is Stajan is playing for the love of the game.  Let's face it he made enough money over his NHL career with pensions to retire and have a home in the U.S and a couple of homes in Canada.  He can do what the hell he wants, but here he is playing in Germany, away from home and family (I am making an assumption he has one), yes for money, but for the love of the game.  Makes me wonder why we pay these guys so much, they would probably play for free if the truth be told.
Talked to a guy who knows Stajan's brother and dad. Said this is his last year playing. He's had enough. Had a pretty good run if it is true.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: mr grieves on February 08, 2019, 01:18:31 PM
Quote from: cabber24 on December 04, 2018, 11:22:02 PM
Levio scores 7 minutes into his first game on Vancouver.

23 games on, he's got 6 goals and 9 points at 5v5. Not setting the world on fire, but a very respectable 2.1 P/60.
That 5v5 rate is well behind Marner (3.5), Matthews (3.4), Tavares (3.3), Moore (3.3), Johnsson and Kapanen too... on par with Hyman (2.1), and ahead of Brown (1.7) and Marleau (1.5).

He is an impressive play-driver though, with a 54.7% CF, 56% HDCF%, and a 69% GF% (PDO of 104.8).
In Corsi, he'd be behind Nylander and Moore, and ahead of all other forwards.
In HDCF%, he'd be behind Tavares, Nylander, and Marner, and ahead of all other forwards.
In GF%, he's ahead of all Leafs (Johnsson and Brown are closest at 66% and 62%, respectively -- they both have PDO's over 105)

Point being..... Josh is proving himself a good player who can probably hang in the top-9. In unrelated news, the Leafs are running out of cost-controlled options there (just Moore) and getting to the point where the inefficiency of Brown's and Hyman's contracts are getting to be problems.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bender on February 08, 2019, 01:30:36 PM
Quote from: mr grieves on February 08, 2019, 01:18:31 PM
Quote from: cabber24 on December 04, 2018, 11:22:02 PM
Levio scores 7 minutes into his first game on Vancouver.

23 games on, he's got 6 goals and 9 points at 5v5. Not setting the world on fire, but a very respectable 2.1 P/60.
That 5v5 rate is well behind Marner (3.5), Matthews (3.4), Tavares (3.3), Moore (3.3), Johnsson and Kapanen too... on par with Hyman (2.1), and ahead of Brown (1.7) and Marleau (1.5).

He is an impressive play-driver though, with a 54.7% CF, 56% HDCF%, and a 69% GF% (PDO of 104.8).
In Corsi, he'd be behind Nylander and Moore, and ahead of all other forwards.
In HDCF%, he'd be behind Tavares, Nylander, and Marner, and ahead of all other forwards.
In GF%, he's ahead of all Leafs (Johnsson and Brown are closest at 66% and 62%, respectively -- they both have PDO's over 105)

Point being..... Josh is proving himself a good player who can probably hang in the top-9. In unrelated news, the Leafs are running out of cost-controlled options there (just Moore) and getting to the point where the inefficiency of Brown's and Hyman's contracts are getting to be problems.
So why did we keep Connor Brown over him again?
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: mr grieves on February 08, 2019, 01:37:42 PM
Quote from: Bender on February 08, 2019, 01:30:36 PM
So why did we keep Connor Brown over him again?

Beats me!
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 08, 2019, 01:41:01 PM
Quote from: Bender on February 08, 2019, 01:30:36 PM
Quote from: mr grieves on February 08, 2019, 01:18:31 PM
Quote from: cabber24 on December 04, 2018, 11:22:02 PM
Levio scores 7 minutes into his first game on Vancouver.

23 games on, he's got 6 goals and 9 points at 5v5. Not setting the world on fire, but a very respectable 2.1 P/60.
That 5v5 rate is well behind Marner (3.5), Matthews (3.4), Tavares (3.3), Moore (3.3), Johnsson and Kapanen too... on par with Hyman (2.1), and ahead of Brown (1.7) and Marleau (1.5).

He is an impressive play-driver though, with a 54.7% CF, 56% HDCF%, and a 69% GF% (PDO of 104.8).
In Corsi, he'd be behind Nylander and Moore, and ahead of all other forwards.
In HDCF%, he'd be behind Tavares, Nylander, and Marner, and ahead of all other forwards.
In GF%, he's ahead of all Leafs (Johnsson and Brown are closest at 66% and 62%, respectively -- they both have PDO's over 105)

Point being..... Josh is proving himself a good player who can probably hang in the top-9. In unrelated news, the Leafs are running out of cost-controlled options there (just Moore) and getting to the point where the inefficiency of Brown's and Hyman's contracts are getting to be problems.
So why did we keep Connor Brown over him again?
Exactly my thinking when they dumped Leivo.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: bustaheims on February 08, 2019, 01:50:11 PM
Quote from: Bender on February 08, 2019, 01:30:36 PM
So why did we keep Connor Brown over him again?

7 letters. Starts with a B. Ends with a K.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 08, 2019, 02:00:32 PM
A quarter of his most recent points came in his very last game (1 goal and 2 assists). There's a reason we really didn't have any Leivo-updates for a month and a half before this. He had 8 points in 22 games before last night. He's also playing almost exclusively with Pettersson and Boeser who have 25 and 23 points respectively in that same stretch. In that context his point numbers honestly seem pretty shoddy. With that in mind Pettersson and Boeser's possession numbers have certainly been much better with Leivo than without Leivo. Without digging much deeper it's hard to know if that's entirely because of Leivo or not. But those are two elite, superstar hockey players and I'd have to guess Leivo's benefiting from them significantly more than the other way around.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: mr grieves on February 08, 2019, 02:19:28 PM
By "shoddy" do you mean "substantially less impressive than wingers on the current Leafs roster who make more than twice as much"? Because that's the thing that stands out to me when I look at the numbers, not that he's the Kasperi Kapanen that got away.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 08, 2019, 02:31:15 PM
Quote from: mr grieves on February 08, 2019, 02:19:28 PM
By "shoddy" do you mean "substantially less impressive than wingers on the current Leafs roster who make more than twice as much"? Because that's the thing that stands out to me when I look at the numbers, not that he's the Kasperi Kapanen that got away.

Like I said, they look shoddy in the sense that prior to last night he was scoring at a 29-point pace in Vancouver while playing alongside 2 elite, PPG players. Connor Brown, who I'm not exactly quick to defend, is scoring at a 29-point pace this season and his most frequent linemate has been Par Lindholm.

If last night's performance from Leivo is more of a sign of things to come and he steps up his scoring, then maybe I'll change my tune here.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: mr grieves on February 08, 2019, 02:36:52 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 08, 2019, 02:31:15 PM
Quote from: mr grieves on February 08, 2019, 02:19:28 PM
By "shoddy" do you mean "substantially less impressive than wingers on the current Leafs roster who make more than twice as much"? Because that's the thing that stands out to me when I look at the numbers, not that he's the Kasperi Kapanen that got away.

Like I said, they look shoddy in the sense that prior to last night he was scoring at a 29-point pace in Vancouver while playing alongside 2 elite, PPG players. Connor Brown, who I'm not exactly quick to defend, is scoring at a 29-point pace this season and his most frequent linemate has been Par Lindholm.

If last night's performance from Leivo is more of a sign of things to come and he steps up his scoring, then maybe I'll change my tune here.

I'm singing a different tune because the point pace doesn't really much to me. The play driving and, especially, the contract do.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on February 08, 2019, 02:45:28 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 08, 2019, 01:50:11 PM
Quote from: Bender on February 08, 2019, 01:30:36 PM
So why did we keep Connor Brown over him again?

7 letters. Starts with a B. Ends with a K.

What's the point of keeping the nominally better player that the coach you're committed to will not play over said coach's second-favourite worker bee who has situational application, particularly defensively? If it was still a Martin > Leivo situation like last year, I'd be more contentious about it. Brown has better AHL numbers and is younger than Leivo so it's not unjustifiable.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: bustaheims on February 08, 2019, 02:48:52 PM
Quote from: herman on February 08, 2019, 02:45:28 PM
What's the point of keeping the nominally better player that the coach you're committed to will not play over said coach's second-favourite worker bee who has situational application, particularly defensively? If it was still a Martin > Leivo situation like last year, I'd be more contentious about it. Brown has better AHL numbers and is younger than Leivo so it's not unjustifiable.

I don't think it's a big deal, either, as neither player moves the needle significantly more than the other, but, Babcock is still the primary reason Leivo was moved over Brown. Keeping Leivo over Brown would have been preferable for cap reasons, but, other than that? Meh.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on February 08, 2019, 02:50:47 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 08, 2019, 02:48:52 PM
Quote from: herman on February 08, 2019, 02:45:28 PM
What's the point of keeping the nominally better player that the coach you're committed to will not play over said coach's second-favourite worker bee who has situational application, particularly defensively? If it was still a Martin > Leivo situation like last year, I'd be more contentious about it. Brown has better AHL numbers and is younger than Leivo so it's not unjustifiable.

I don't think it's a big deal, either, as neither player moves the needle significantly more than the other, but, Babcock is still the primary reason Leivo was moved over Brown. Keeping Leivo over Brown would have been preferable for cap reasons, but, other than that? Meh.

Now Trevor Moore is who you replace Brown/Lindholm with to get the cap savings and better play driving without costing on defense.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Dappleganger on February 08, 2019, 03:06:12 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 08, 2019, 01:50:11 PM
Quote from: Bender on February 08, 2019, 01:30:36 PM
So why did we keep Connor Brown over him again?

7 letters. Starts with a B. Ends with a K.

Bozak is only 5 letters.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: caveman on February 08, 2019, 03:11:45 PM
Quote from: herman on February 08, 2019, 02:50:47 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 08, 2019, 02:48:52 PM
Quote from: herman on February 08, 2019, 02:45:28 PM
What's the point of keeping the nominally better player that the coach you're committed to will not play over said coach's second-favourite worker bee who has situational application, particularly defensively? If it was still a Martin > Leivo situation like last year, I'd be more contentious about it. Brown has better AHL numbers and is younger than Leivo so it's not unjustifiable.




I don't think it's a big deal, either, as neither player moves the needle significantly more than the other, but, Babcock is still the primary reason Leivo was moved over Brown. Keeping Leivo over Brown would have been preferable for cap reasons, but, other than that? Meh.

Now Trevor Moore is who you replace Brown/Lindholm with to get the cap savings and better play driving without costing on defense.

We may see Moore here soon...what is the date that Leafs call up for a playoff run?
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on February 08, 2019, 03:28:55 PM
Quote from: caveman on February 08, 2019, 03:11:45 PM
We may see Moore here soon...what is the date that Leafs call up for a playoff run?

Post-trade deadline is when the roster can expand.

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/and-now-you-know/2018/1/30/16944594/2018-nhl-trade-deadline-how-does-it-all-work-toronto-maple-leafs
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: OldTimeHockey on February 09, 2019, 09:16:30 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 08, 2019, 02:31:15 PM
Quote from: mr grieves on February 08, 2019, 02:19:28 PM
By "shoddy" do you mean "substantially less impressive than wingers on the current Leafs roster who make more than twice as much"? Because that's the thing that stands out to me when I look at the numbers, not that he's the Kasperi Kapanen that got away.

Like I said, they look shoddy in the sense that prior to last night he was scoring at a 29-point pace in Vancouver while playing alongside 2 elite, PPG players. Connor Brown, who I'm not exactly quick to defend, is scoring at a 29-point pace this season and his most frequent linemate has been Par Lindholm.

If last night's performance from Leivo is more of a sign of things to come and he steps up his scoring, then maybe I'll change my tune here.

Exactly. Leivo is playing on a terrible team and is being afforded opportunities he wouldn't get here. Babcock aside, I don't see where Leivo slot into this line up and makes the team better...or even equal.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: mr grieves on February 14, 2019, 12:49:14 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on February 09, 2019, 09:16:30 AM
Exactly. Leivo is playing on a terrible team and is being afforded opportunities he wouldn't get here. Babcock aside, I don't see where Leivo slot into this line up and makes the team better...or even equal.

The easy answer is Marleau, who could be slotted in behind Johnsson, Hyman, and Trevor Moore.

I think the argument would be that his underlying stats show he's a good middle-six talent when it comes to generating scoring chances and keeping the puck in the fun zone. That was the case when he was here and not being "afforded opportunities" to produce that'd come on a terrible team. He wouldn't displace any of the wingers in the top 9 (Johnsson, Hyman, Marleau / Marner, Nylander, Kapanen), but, in the event of an injury, he can be more useful up there than Brown or Lindholm.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 09, 2019, 01:22:54 PM
https://twitter.com/lakingsinsider/status/1104427054781554688
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on March 10, 2019, 08:21:27 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 09, 2019, 01:22:54 PM
https://twitter.com/lakingsinsider/status/1104427054781554688

https://twitter.com/helenenothelen/status/1104629553580859392
https://streamable.com/tk1bv

Yay Carl!
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Highlander on March 10, 2019, 12:04:44 PM
And we gave him up for Muzzin..why oh Lord, why :'(
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bullfrog on March 10, 2019, 02:23:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHnjzkaDSsY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHnjzkaDSsY)
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Zee on March 10, 2019, 07:16:26 PM
Quote from: Highlander on March 10, 2019, 12:04:44 PM
And we gave him up for Muzzin..why oh Lord, why :'(


We can't keep everyone man. Gotta give to get and Muzzy will still be around next season
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on March 10, 2019, 11:18:15 PM
https://twitter.com/lakings/status/1104936803490922496
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 10, 2019, 11:21:35 PM
Justin Holl did it first.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on April 01, 2019, 02:10:31 PM
Sean Durzi is now ELC'd with the Kings, kicking in next season.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Highlander on April 03, 2019, 11:07:00 AM
Thought Muzzin started great, tailed off but I really like his game now, very steady.  The trade for now makes a lot of sense. I do wish Durzi and Grundstrom all the best.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on April 07, 2019, 11:09:43 AM
https://twitter.com/carlocolaiacovo/status/1114891916267655168

:(
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 07, 2019, 02:26:26 PM
So young and so sad. Positive vibes for Leo and the Cola fam.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 01, 2019, 11:02:58 AM
https://twitter.com/kevin_mcgran/status/1123245096298852352

Remember Soshnikov? Such a great start to his Leafs career, really looked like he was an integral part to our 4th line back then. Too bad he couldn't do moore. A lot of us really expected him to trev his engine up and potentially become a top-6 player.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on May 01, 2019, 11:23:59 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 01, 2019, 11:02:58 AM
https://twitter.com/kevin_mcgran/status/1123245096298852352

Remember Soshnikov? Such a great start to his Leafs career, really looked like he was an integral part to our 4th line back then. Too bad he couldn't do moore. A lot of us really expected him to trev his engine up and potentially become a top-6 player.

PING... WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Guilt Trip on May 01, 2019, 01:53:53 PM
He sure hasn't played much since he got traded form the Leafs. Never worked out for him.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on May 01, 2019, 02:11:03 PM
I wouldn't be opposed to getting him on an AHL deal with the Marlies. Sounds like we're going to need some translation and interpretation assistance (in addition to Timashov) in the dressing room.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on May 07, 2019, 07:50:44 PM
https://twitter.com/HeyBarber/status/1125892696474673152

Yo whut
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bullfrog on May 07, 2019, 10:10:52 PM
Wowzer.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Zee on June 26, 2019, 07:17:01 AM
Both Leipsic and Soshnikov weren't given qualifying offers yesterday and both are free agents. I remember when we were high on both guys
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 26, 2019, 11:38:03 AM
Quote from: Zee on June 26, 2019, 07:17:01 AM
Both Leipsic and Soshnikov weren't given qualifying offers yesterday and both are free agents. I remember when we were high on both guys

Soshnikov had already signed somewhere in Europe. Leipsic's a bit surprising since LA isn't exactly flush with young-ish/cheap talent. He scored at a 30-point pace for them which is pretty decent considering his minutes and the fact that LA was the 2nd lowest scoring team in the league.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Highlander on June 28, 2019, 07:36:00 AM
Take two Leipsics and call me in the morning......................(sounds like a cold medication)
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Zee on June 28, 2019, 09:04:24 AM
I wonder if the Leafs circle back on Leipsic if he's on the cheap.  Depth winger, we know about him already, could make sense.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Guilt Trip on June 28, 2019, 12:37:05 PM
Quote from: Zee on June 28, 2019, 09:04:24 AM
I wonder if the Leafs circle back on Leipsic if he's on the cheap.  Depth winger, we know about him already, could make sense.
I don't see it this year. Lots of Marlies could be ready to make the jump to our bottom 6. Mikheyev will probably be on the team. Would have to think Korshkov, Marchment, Engvall, Bracco, Moore, Timashov, Brooks would be getting a good look this season and a few will make the Leafs. I think the Leafs are also high on Carcone as well because they qualified him.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on July 10, 2019, 03:36:08 PM
https://twitter.com/mikecommito/status/1148929295487787013
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Highlander on July 11, 2019, 10:17:07 AM
Quote from: herman on July 10, 2019, 03:36:08 PM
https://twitter.com/mikecommito/status/1148929295487787013

Nice to see that kind of honesty from someone. Lupul had all the tools to be one of the greats, his body just couldn't hack it. Good for you Joffrey and hope you have those kids and a happy life.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: cabber24 on July 11, 2019, 11:54:17 AM
Quote from: Highlander on July 11, 2019, 10:17:07 AM
Quote from: herman on July 10, 2019, 03:36:08 PM
https://twitter.com/mikecommito/status/1148929295487787013

Nice to see that kind of honesty from someone. Lupul had all the tools to be one of the greats, his body just couldn't hack it. Good for you Joffrey and hope you have those kids and a happy life.
Kind of surprised, I thought for sure it was all about burying his contract but he acknowledges he couldn't physically handle it.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on July 16, 2019, 04:41:34 PM
https://twitter.com/NJDevils/status/1151227521641406464
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 16, 2019, 04:56:49 PM
That's a bigger contract than I would have expected him to get, and I said that about last years deal too (1 year, $1.3mil). So at least his agent's pretty good.

New Jersey has Subban, Severson, and Vatanen as RHD ahead of Carrick on the depth chart, so I'm not really sure what their plans are for him.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: louisstamos on July 16, 2019, 06:22:27 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on July 16, 2019, 04:56:49 PM
That's a bigger contract than I would have expected him to get, and I said that about last years deal too (1 year, $1.3mil). So at least his agent's pretty good.

New Jersey has Subban, Severson, and Vatanen as RHD ahead of Carrick on the depth chart, so I'm not really sure what their plans are for him.

Expansion fodder?
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on July 16, 2019, 06:23:58 PM
Katya Knappe of PPP has been talking about this mushy spot in the cap: players that you're paying 1-2M are a waste.

The performance they're likely providing can either be had for league min (50%) or you could push a bit more money into a clearly better player. The players the Leafs have bumped out are kind of in this space or completely out of the league: Lindholm, Leivo, Carrick, Polak... not sure what the hell Hainsey's agent said to Dorion but he really should be in that range too (Cup ring bonus).
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: OldTimeHockey on July 17, 2019, 05:54:44 AM
Quote from: herman on July 16, 2019, 06:23:58 PM
not sure what the hell Hainsey's agent said to Dorion but he really should be in that range too (Cup ring bonus).

The fact that he got a raise over last year's salary is mind boggling.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on September 10, 2019, 09:36:13 AM
https://theleafsnation.com/2019/09/09/exclusive-colin-greening-on-his-career-kyle-dubas-the-marlies-as-the-nhls-33rd-team-and-more/

My favourite player coming back from the Phaneuf trade got himself accepted into Harvard

QuoteTLN: In closing, what did you take away from your stint with the Marlies?

Colin Greening: "If it wasn't for the Leafs organization, I would've retired years ago. I think the whole situation in Ottawa [threw] me for a bit of a loop. I wasn't quite sure if I was going to find a role for myself again. I think I want to thank the Marlies organization for giving me a purpose again and the chance to enjoy playing hockey. That really, ultimately, kept me going for myself. I knew I wanted to pursue other goals and figure out what I wanted to do with my life — but I could have easily done that without playing hockey. But I still enjoyed going to the rink, I still enjoyed being around the guys and I mean for anyone whose not familiar with the organization, before Las Vegas came into [the NHL], we would joke that we were the 31st NHL team. Now, we would say we're the [33rd] NHL team. It was an organization that treated not only myself, but my family, really really well.

One example [was] when my daughter was born in playoffs. They were flying me in-and-out to see my family because my wife gave birth in Boston and we were in Toronto during the playoffs. I thought that was very classy. A lot of times it was actually Kyle who would suggest it and say 'Hey I think you should go back tonight, after the game. Tomorrow morning we'll book a flight for you.' So I think those are little tiny things that are really important in an organization — it shows they care about the players. Sports is a very cutthroat industry but when you feel like you're valued as a player and as a person I think that really makes a big difference."
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Highlander on September 11, 2019, 02:18:02 PM
Quote from: herman on September 10, 2019, 09:36:13 AM
https://theleafsnation.com/2019/09/09/exclusive-colin-greening-on-his-career-kyle-dubas-the-marlies-as-the-nhls-33rd-team-and-more/

My favourite player coming back from the Phaneuf trade got himself accepted into Harvard

QuoteTLN: In closing, what did you take away from your stint with the Marlies?

Colin Greening: "If it wasn't for the Leafs organization, I would've retired years ago. I think the whole situation in Ottawa [threw] me for a bit of a loop. I wasn't quite sure if I was going to find a role for myself again. I think I want to thank the Marlies organization for giving me a purpose again and the chance to enjoy playing hockey. That really, ultimately, kept me going for myself. I knew I wanted to pursue other goals and figure out what I wanted to do with my life — but I could have easily done that without playing hockey. But I still enjoyed going to the rink, I still enjoyed being around the guys and I mean for anyone whose not familiar with the organization, before Las Vegas came into [the NHL], we would joke that we were the 31st NHL team. Now, we would say we're the [33rd] NHL team. It was an organization that treated not only myself, but my family, really really well.

One example [was] when my daughter was born in playoffs. They were flying me in-and-out to see my family because my wife gave birth in Boston and we were in Toronto during the playoffs. I thought that was very classy. A lot of times it was actually Kyle who would suggest it and say 'Hey I think you should go back tonight, after the game. Tomorrow morning we'll book a flight for you.' So I think those are little tiny things that are really important in an organization — it shows they care about the players. Sports is a very cutthroat industry but when you feel like you're valued as a player and as a person I think that really makes a big difference."
Colin's quote should go in the Mitch Marner section. 

Especially "it shows they care about the players. Sports is a very cutthroat industry but when you feel like you're valued as a player and as a person I think that really makes a big difference".
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on October 04, 2019, 07:29:41 AM
I hope Roman Polak is okay. He took a very bad fall into the boards and had to be stretchered off.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 04, 2019, 08:44:35 AM
Quote from: herman on October 04, 2019, 07:29:41 AM
I hope Roman Polak is okay. He took a very bad fall into the boards and had to be stretchered off.

https://twitter.com/walsha/status/1179985725946617856
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Zee on October 04, 2019, 09:14:39 AM
Jack Edwards is the worst of the worst in terms of homer announcers.  I know Bowen is a homer, but he doesn't casually brush off opposition players getting injured.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 04, 2019, 12:37:32 PM
Quote from: herman on October 04, 2019, 07:29:41 AM
I hope Roman Polak is okay. He took a very bad fall into the boards and had to be stretchered off.
Saw it. Nasty looking fall. Apparently has full use of extremities so that's good news.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Dappleganger on October 04, 2019, 12:43:16 PM
Quote from: Zee on October 04, 2019, 09:14:39 AM
Jack Edwards is the worst of the worst in terms of homer announcers.  I know Bowen is a homer, but he doesn't casually brush off opposition players getting injured.

Wow. Honestly, f*ck that guy.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 04, 2019, 01:39:35 PM
Quote from: Dappleganger on October 04, 2019, 12:43:16 PM
Quote from: Zee on October 04, 2019, 09:14:39 AM
Jack Edwards is the worst of the worst in terms of homer announcers.  I know Bowen is a homer, but he doesn't casually brush off opposition players getting injured.

Wow. Honestly, f*ck that guy.

Bad hockey karma. What a POS.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Highlander on October 04, 2019, 04:33:19 PM
Just watched the video. Luckily Polak's head was just angled enough when he hit the boards. If he had hit straight on he would have either died or been Christopher Reeve'd for the rest of his days.   
I am so glad to hear that he is moving his arm and legs.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Highlander on October 04, 2019, 05:55:06 PM
Quote from: Highlander on October 04, 2019, 04:33:19 PM
Just watched the video. Luckily Polak's head was just angled enough when he hit the boards. If he had hit straight on he would have either died or been Christopher Reeve'd for the rest of his days.   
I am so glad to hear that he is moving his arm and legs.
My son just watched the video and said Roman also appeared to hit his shoulder a bit first.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 04, 2019, 10:27:12 PM
Quote from: Highlander on October 04, 2019, 05:55:06 PM
Quote from: Highlander on October 04, 2019, 04:33:19 PM
Just watched the video. Luckily Polak's head was just angled enough when he hit the boards. If he had hit straight on he would have either died or been Christopher Reeve'd for the rest of his days.   
I am so glad to hear that he is moving his arm and legs.
My son just watched the video and said Roman also appeared to hit his shoulder a bit first.
Heard he has a fracture in his sternum. That had to hurt be ause Polak is one tough dude who wouldn't lay in the ice.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Highlander on October 05, 2019, 12:09:22 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on October 04, 2019, 10:27:12 PM
Quote from: Highlander on October 04, 2019, 05:55:06 PM
Quote from: Highlander on October 04, 2019, 04:33:19 PM
Just watched the video. Luckily Polak's head was just angled enough when he hit the boards. If he had hit straight on he would have either died or been Christopher Reeve'd for the rest of his days.   
I am so glad to hear that he is moving his arm and legs.
My son just watched the video and said Roman also appeared to hit his shoulder a bit first.
Heard he has a fracture in his sternum. That had to hurt be ause Polak is one tough dude who wouldn't lay in the ice.
Last thing he needs now is a chest cold...that would be tough
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Highlander on October 06, 2019, 01:39:10 PM
Jake scored the overtime winner against Washington on a beauty snipe!
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: hockeyfan1 on November 12, 2019, 11:56:31 PM
Once a minor leaguer, always a minor leaguer...

[tweet]1193701143412654081[/tweet]
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Arn on November 19, 2019, 11:58:36 AM
Leipsic causing all sorts of trouble

https://twitter.com/BradyTrett/status/1196607405758525441
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Highlander on November 22, 2019, 05:40:11 PM
My Son just said Zaitzev is going to Russia for personal reasons. Not sure if he is  finished with the O's
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: louisstamos on November 22, 2019, 05:42:16 PM
Quote from: Highlander on November 22, 2019, 05:40:11 PM
My Son just said Zaitzev is going to Russia for personal reasons. Not sure if he is  finished with the O's

From the sounds of it, it seems like a short term thing (perhaps a funeral or family emergency) and he'll be back at some point.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on November 22, 2019, 06:10:46 PM
https://twitter.com/TSNSteveLloyd/status/1197916733048315906

NBD
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Andy on November 26, 2019, 09:54:10 AM
So here are a few former Leaf updates:

Connor Brown has stalled at 2 goals 14 points in 24 games. His "hot start" might have been aided by the 20+ minutes he's racking up per game.


Nikita Zaitsev has 0 goals and 6 points this season with a noticeable drop off in Corsi- 42%. Yikes.
Hainsey is marginally better at 44%.


Tyler Bozak has 2 goals and 8 points in 25 games while JVR has potted 4 with 9 points in 25.


And Jake Gardiner has 1 goal, 6 points and is a -14 in 24 games.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Guilt Trip on November 26, 2019, 12:47:28 PM
Quote from: Andy on November 26, 2019, 09:54:10 AM
So here are a few former Leaf updates:

Connor Brown has stalled at 2 goals 14 points in 24 games. His "hot start" might have been aided by the 20+ minutes he's racking up per game.


Nikita Zaitsev has 0 goals and 6 points this season with a noticeable drop off in Corsi- 42%. Yikes.
Hainsey is marginally better at 44%.


Tyler Bozak has 2 goals and 8 points in 25 games while JVR has potted 4 with 9 points in 25.


And Jake Gardiner has 1 goal, 6 points and is a -14 in 24 games.

And the we should've kept Gardiner crowd quietly backs out of the room. All good moves by Dubas.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Coco-puffs on November 26, 2019, 01:08:43 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on November 26, 2019, 12:47:28 PM
Quote from: Andy on November 26, 2019, 09:54:10 AM
So here are a few former Leaf updates:

Connor Brown has stalled at 2 goals 14 points in 24 games. His "hot start" might have been aided by the 20+ minutes he's racking up per game.


Nikita Zaitsev has 0 goals and 6 points this season with a noticeable drop off in Corsi- 42%. Yikes.
Hainsey is marginally better at 44%.


Tyler Bozak has 2 goals and 8 points in 25 games while JVR has potted 4 with 9 points in 25.


And Jake Gardiner has 1 goal, 6 points and is a -14 in 24 games.

And the we should've kept Gardiner crowd quietly backs out of the room. All good moves by Dubas.

Very few people wanted to re-sign Bozak or JVR.  Gardiner is another story.  Walking away from them seems to be good moves by Dubas, BUT, the mistake was probably not trading them before we lost them for nothing.  (Like Colorado has done with Barrie)
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Highlander on November 26, 2019, 01:19:10 PM
Quote from: Coco-puffs on November 26, 2019, 01:08:43 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on November 26, 2019, 12:47:28 PM
Quote from: Andy on November 26, 2019, 09:54:10 AM
So here are a few former Leaf updates:

Connor Brown has stalled at 2 goals 14 points in 24 games. His "hot start" might have been aided by the 20+ minutes he's racking up per game.


Nikita Zaitsev has 0 goals and 6 points this season with a noticeable drop off in Corsi- 42%. Yikes.
Hainsey is marginally better at 44%.


Tyler Bozak has 2 goals and 8 points in 25 games while JVR has potted 4 with 9 points in 25.


And Jake Gardiner has 1 goal, 6 points and is a -14 in 24 games.

And the we should've kept Gardiner crowd quietly backs out of the room. All good moves by Dubas.

Very few people wanted to re-sign Bozak or JVR.  Gardiner is another story.  Walking away from them seems to be good moves by Dubas, BUT, the mistake was probably not trading them before we lost them for nothing.  (Like Colorado has done with Barrie)
I am starting to think this was the opinion of Babcock, Lou and perhaps Shanahan, not Dubas.  The win now mentality of hanging onto Bozak, JVR and even Gardiner (who was injured for a long time last year) were the main culprits in why we got nothing in return.. Unlike Dubas move to get something decent for Kadri (who really did have to go after two consecutive Playoff frik ups)
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 26, 2019, 01:22:08 PM
Gardiner has a 56% CF, a 54% xGF, and the best CA/60 among Carolina defencemen. His 28% GF is obviously concerning but that comes with one of the worst PDOs in the league as well.

All in all, I'd guess that Canes have got pretty much what they were expecting from him so far.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Coco-puffs on November 26, 2019, 01:22:54 PM
Quote from: Highlander on November 26, 2019, 01:19:10 PM
Quote from: Coco-puffs on November 26, 2019, 01:08:43 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on November 26, 2019, 12:47:28 PM
Quote from: Andy on November 26, 2019, 09:54:10 AM
So here are a few former Leaf updates:

Connor Brown has stalled at 2 goals 14 points in 24 games. His "hot start" might have been aided by the 20+ minutes he's racking up per game.


Nikita Zaitsev has 0 goals and 6 points this season with a noticeable drop off in Corsi- 42%. Yikes.
Hainsey is marginally better at 44%.


Tyler Bozak has 2 goals and 8 points in 25 games while JVR has potted 4 with 9 points in 25.


And Jake Gardiner has 1 goal, 6 points and is a -14 in 24 games.

And the we should've kept Gardiner crowd quietly backs out of the room. All good moves by Dubas.

Very few people wanted to re-sign Bozak or JVR.  Gardiner is another story.  Walking away from them seems to be good moves by Dubas, BUT, the mistake was probably not trading them before we lost them for nothing.  (Like Colorado has done with Barrie)
I am starting to think this was the opinion of Babcock, Lou and perhaps Shanahan, not Dubas.  The win now mentality of hanging onto Bozak, JVR and even Gardiner (who was injured for a long time last year) were the main culprits in why we got nothing in return.. Unlike Dubas move to get something decent for Kadri (who really did have to go after two consecutive Playoff frik ups)

Oh for sure.  Also, taking away players from the room sometimes backfires as the team thinks management doesn't think they can contend, so lets get assets in return.  That doesn't exactly help the confidence of the team.

That said, if the return includes players that also help or another trade is made to replace said players that can be mitigated.  Ultimately, these are the types of trades you make BEFORE the final season or two of the players deal.  Not in season, for the reason I mentioned above AND because you'll get more in return for a full year or two of a player vs a couple of months.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Guilt Trip on November 26, 2019, 03:34:23 PM
Quote from: Coco-puffs on November 26, 2019, 01:08:43 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on November 26, 2019, 12:47:28 PM
Quote from: Andy on November 26, 2019, 09:54:10 AM
So here are a few former Leaf updates:

Connor Brown has stalled at 2 goals 14 points in 24 games. His "hot start" might have been aided by the 20+ minutes he's racking up per game.


Nikita Zaitsev has 0 goals and 6 points this season with a noticeable drop off in Corsi- 42%. Yikes.
Hainsey is marginally better at 44%.


Tyler Bozak has 2 goals and 8 points in 25 games while JVR has potted 4 with 9 points in 25.


And Jake Gardiner has 1 goal, 6 points and is a -14 in 24 games.

And the we should've kept Gardiner crowd quietly backs out of the room. All good moves by Dubas.

Very few people wanted to re-sign Bozak or JVR.  Gardiner is another story.  Walking away from them seems to be good moves by Dubas, BUT, the mistake was probably not trading them before we lost them for nothing.  (Like Colorado has done with Barrie)
BUT the mistake could have been the message sent to the kids in the room that we don't think you're good enough to win. They needed the experience, they got it and it was worth more then the draft picks they would have got for those guys. The only reason Col traded Barrie was because they have a kid like Cale Makar and they also filled a void in the 2nd line centre spot. Don't forget that they also are paying a lot of Barrie's salary and we also got Kerfoot, who could turn out to be a real steal.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Highlander on December 06, 2019, 04:32:40 PM
Zaitzev may have been having family problems the last while.  No excuse for his play but it may have factored into his effectiveness.

https://ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/ottawa-senators/sens-defenceman-nikita-zaitsevs-accused-of-forcibly-taking-children-from-ex-wife-in-russia
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: WAYNEINIONA on December 06, 2019, 06:58:24 PM
Quote from: Highlander on December 06, 2019, 04:32:40 PM
Zaitzev may have been having family problems the last while.  No excuse for his play but it may have factored into his effectiveness.

https://ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/ottawa-senators/sens-defenceman-nikita-zaitsevs-accused-of-forcibly-taking-children-from-ex-wife-in-russia

And the kids lose again.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Arn on January 03, 2020, 02:44:25 PM
Justin Pogee has signed for my German team, Eisbaren Berlin. Making his debut this evening against Munich, the best team in Germany over the last few years and he's picked up a debut assist!
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 03, 2020, 05:45:18 PM
Quote from: Arn on January 03, 2020, 02:44:25 PM
Justin Pogge has signed for my German team, Eisbaren Berlin. Making his debut this evening against Munich, the best team in Germany over the last few years and he's picked up a debut assist!
Fixed that for ya.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: princedpw on January 05, 2020, 02:01:36 AM
What is up with Jake Gardiner? Anyone seen him play?  He is -21 (next worst Cane is -7). 5 even strength points in 41 games. How?  I love that guy.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 05, 2020, 11:48:27 AM
Quote from: princedpw on January 05, 2020, 02:01:36 AM
What is up with Jake Gardiner? Anyone seen him play?  He is -21 (next worst Cane is -7). 5 even strength points in 41 games. How?  I love that guy.
He's terrible in the defensive zone. So glad the Leafs let him go. 9 points and he gets time on their 2nd PP unit.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: princedpw on January 05, 2020, 01:52:38 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on January 05, 2020, 11:48:27 AM
Quote from: princedpw on January 05, 2020, 02:01:36 AM
What is up with Jake Gardiner? Anyone seen him play?  He is -21 (next worst Cane is -7). 5 even strength points in 41 games. How?  I love that guy.
He's terrible in the defensive zone. So glad the Leafs let him go. 9 points and he gets time on their 2nd PP unit.

But so many of the numbers suggest the opposite, that he was best at moving the puck out of his zone and down the ice.  Unless of course he was just the best leaf at it and all of the canes defenders are better ...
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on January 05, 2020, 02:24:48 PM

Yeah, you can't explain a bad +/- with "He's bad defensively" unless you have a good explanation for why his +/- was good a year ago.

Anyways, I watched Canes/Caps the other night and I didn't notice anything particularly out of whack. Maybe he's a little out of sorts with the reduction in his role? I never thought he was a great PP option because his greatest strengths were moving the puck up ice so using him in that role maybe isn't the best choice.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 05, 2020, 02:33:47 PM
3 reasons why I'm not buying this whole "Gardiner is terrible now" take:

1. Coming off a very injury plagued season.
2. Playing in a new city/team/role for the first time in his NHL career.
3. An absolutely terrible PDO.

He still has a very good CF (55%) and a very good xGF (54%) so I'm confident he'll rebound, either this season or at least next. That wouldn't do anything to convince the people who still thought he was a bad defenceman as a Leaf though.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bates on January 05, 2020, 02:44:48 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 05, 2020, 02:33:47 PM
3 reasons why I'm not buying this whole "Gardiner is terrible now" take:

1. Coming off a very injury plagued season.
2. Playing in a new city/team/role for the first time in his NHL career.
3. An absolutely terrible PDO.

He still has a very good CF (55%) and a very good xGF (54%) so I'm confident he'll rebound, either this season or at least next. That wouldn't do anything to convince the people who still thought he was a bad defenceman as a Leaf though.

Probably just as good of a chance as convincing analytics lovers that everything else just might be correct. Most who watch know that Gardiner is an average at best defensemen and year after year the eye test and the stats continue to prove it despite analytics claim.  I did not hate him but saw little point in keeping him.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on January 05, 2020, 02:47:42 PM

There are no stats, traditional or analytic, by which Gardiner was bad his last three years as a Leaf.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bates on January 05, 2020, 02:51:47 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on January 05, 2020, 02:47:42 PM

There are no stats, traditional or analytic, by which Gardiner was bad his last three years as a Leaf.

Game 7 stats.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on January 05, 2020, 02:57:42 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 02:51:47 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on January 05, 2020, 02:47:42 PM

There are no stats, traditional or analytic, by which Gardiner was bad his last three years as a Leaf.

Game 7 stats.

I appreciate that reading is tough for you but give it another go.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 05, 2020, 03:01:00 PM
If we're cherry picking 2 games of a players last 3 years I guess Andersen's a pretty crappy goalie too.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:02:17 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on January 05, 2020, 02:57:42 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 02:51:47 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on January 05, 2020, 02:47:42 PM

There are no stats, traditional or analytic, by which Gardiner was bad his last three years as a Leaf.

Game 7 stats.

I appreciate that reading is tough for you but give it another go.

That wasn't in last 3 years Professor?
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 05, 2020, 03:05:10 PM
On January 20th, 2018 Gardiner has a 3-assist night while playing 24+ minutes. Therefore he's a great defenceman.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Hobbes on January 05, 2020, 03:05:17 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:02:17 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on January 05, 2020, 02:57:42 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 02:51:47 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on January 05, 2020, 02:47:42 PM

There are no stats, traditional or analytic, by which Gardiner was bad his last three years as a Leaf.

Game 7 stats.

I appreciate that reading is tough for you but give it another go.

That wasn't in last 3 years Professor?

"It's snowing today" != "it has snowed every day for the last 3 years"
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:06:06 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 05, 2020, 03:01:00 PM
If we're cherry picking 2 games of a players last 3 years I guess Andersen's a pretty crappy goalie too.

Naw, the eye test and history in reg season gives Anderssen the benefit of the doubt but I cant say I would enter the playoffs overly confident in him.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:07:25 PM
Quote from: Hobbes on January 05, 2020, 03:05:17 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:02:17 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on January 05, 2020, 02:57:42 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 02:51:47 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on January 05, 2020, 02:47:42 PM

There are no stats, traditional or analytic, by which Gardiner was bad his last three years as a Leaf.

Game 7 stats.

I appreciate that reading is tough for you but give it another go.

That wasn't in last 3 years Professor?

"It's snowing today" != "it has snowed every day for the last 3 years"

Are you making the case that Gardiner is great? Many, including nhl GM's don't agree.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on January 05, 2020, 03:08:39 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:02:17 PM
That wasn't in last 3 years Professor?

I said stats by which he was bad over those three years. Not a few cherry picked games.

Again, I get that "Durrrr, Gardiner bad game 7" is the sort of thing you say but if you're going to claim that "year after year" the stats showed Gardiner to be an "average at best" defenseman, you actually have to have something behind that which correlates to his performance OVER THE YEARS when what the actual traditional stats have over those three years is that he was 25th among all defensemen in scoring and 9th among all defensemen in +/-.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:11:38 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on January 05, 2020, 03:08:39 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:02:17 PM
That wasn't in last 3 years Professor?

I said stats by which he was bad over those three years. Not a few cherry picked games.

Again, I get that "Durrrr, Gardiner bad game 7" is the sort of thing you say but if you're going to claim that "year after year" the stats showed Gardiner to be an "average at best" defenseman, you actually have to have something behind that which correlates to his performance OVER THE YEARS when what the actual traditional stats have over those three years is that he was 25th among all defensemen in scoring and 9th among all defensemen in +/-.

He was bad like Kadri,  you just knew when it came crunch time he couldn't be depended upon and that was unlikely to improve. Therefore you move on.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Hobbes on January 05, 2020, 03:13:15 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:07:25 PM
Quote from: Hobbes on January 05, 2020, 03:05:17 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:02:17 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on January 05, 2020, 02:57:42 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 02:51:47 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on January 05, 2020, 02:47:42 PM

There are no stats, traditional or analytic, by which Gardiner was bad his last three years as a Leaf.

Game 7 stats.

I appreciate that reading is tough for you but give it another go.

That wasn't in last 3 years Professor?

"It's snowing today" != "it has snowed every day for the last 3 years"

Are you making the case that Gardiner is great? Many, including nhl GM's don't agree.
Seriously?

Let me make this "case": your last post was f***ing stupid. It does not follow that every single post you've ever made was stupid, nor that you're a certifiable genius.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:15:37 PM
Quote from: Hobbes on January 05, 2020, 03:13:15 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:07:25 PM
Quote from: Hobbes on January 05, 2020, 03:05:17 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:02:17 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on January 05, 2020, 02:57:42 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 02:51:47 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on January 05, 2020, 02:47:42 PM

There are no stats, traditional or analytic, by which Gardiner was bad his last three years as a Leaf.

Game 7 stats.

I appreciate that reading is tough for you but give it another go.

That wasn't in last 3 years Professor?

"It's snowing today" != "it has snowed every day for the last 3 years"

Are you making the case that Gardiner is great? Many, including nhl GM's don't agree.
Seriously?

Let me make this "case": your last post was f***ing stupid. It does not follow that every single post you've ever made was stupid, nor that you're a certifiable genius.

Gardiner is average at best. Most who watch and GM know it, but analytics and apologists here disagree. 
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on January 05, 2020, 03:16:46 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:11:38 PM
He was bad like Kadri,  you just knew when it came crunch time he couldn't be depended upon and that was unlikely to improve. Therefore you move on.

Jesus, you can't even keep to your nonsense for longer than a post once it's been debunked.

Seriously, what is your compulsion to come along and derail the actual intelligent conversation that happens on this board like a five year old screaming I HAVE OPINIONS!!!!
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:18:34 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on January 05, 2020, 03:16:46 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:11:38 PM
He was bad like Kadri,  you just knew when it came crunch time he couldn't be depended upon and that was unlikely to improve. Therefore you move on.

Jesus, you can't even keep to your nonsense for longer than a post once it's been debunked.

Seriously, what is your compulsion to come along and derail the actual intelligent conversation that happens on this board like a five year old screaming I HAVE OPINIONS!!!!


Very rich from the guy who has pretty much turned the league's largest fanbase forum into a place where only a dozen or so people post.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bender on January 05, 2020, 03:19:41 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:18:34 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on January 05, 2020, 03:16:46 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:11:38 PM
He was bad like Kadri,  you just knew when it came crunch time he couldn't be depended upon and that was unlikely to improve. Therefore you move on.

Jesus, you can't even keep to your nonsense for longer than a post once it's been debunked.

Seriously, what is your compulsion to come along and derail the actual intelligent conversation that happens on this board like a five year old screaming I HAVE OPINIONS!!!!


Very rich from the guy who has pretty much turned the league's largest fanbase forum into a place where only a dozen or so people post.
This is between the two of you but I'd argue LC9s been taking care of that.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 05, 2020, 03:20:16 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:15:37 PM
Quote from: Hobbes on January 05, 2020, 03:13:15 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:07:25 PM
Quote from: Hobbes on January 05, 2020, 03:05:17 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:02:17 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on January 05, 2020, 02:57:42 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 02:51:47 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on January 05, 2020, 02:47:42 PM

There are no stats, traditional or analytic, by which Gardiner was bad his last three years as a Leaf.

Game 7 stats.

I appreciate that reading is tough for you but give it another go.

That wasn't in last 3 years Professor?

"It's snowing today" != "it has snowed every day for the last 3 years"

Are you making the case that Gardiner is great? Many, including nhl GM's don't agree.
Seriously?

Let me make this "case": your last post was f***ing stupid. It does not follow that every single post you've ever made was stupid, nor that you're a certifiable genius.

Gardiner is average at best. Most who watch and GM know it, but analytics and apologists here disagree. 
I agree with you. He's an average D man at best.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bender on January 05, 2020, 03:21:11 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:15:37 PM
Quote from: Hobbes on January 05, 2020, 03:13:15 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:07:25 PM
Quote from: Hobbes on January 05, 2020, 03:05:17 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:02:17 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on January 05, 2020, 02:57:42 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 02:51:47 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on January 05, 2020, 02:47:42 PM

There are no stats, traditional or analytic, by which Gardiner was bad his last three years as a Leaf.

Game 7 stats.

I appreciate that reading is tough for you but give it another go.

That wasn't in last 3 years Professor?

"It's snowing today" != "it has snowed every day for the last 3 years"

Are you making the case that Gardiner is great? Many, including nhl GM's don't agree.
Seriously?

Let me make this "case": your last post was f***ing stupid. It does not follow that every single post you've ever made was stupid, nor that you're a certifiable genius.

Gardiner is average at best. Most who watch and GM know it, but analytics and apologists here disagree.
You don't have to be an apologist to disagree.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on January 05, 2020, 03:21:53 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:18:34 PM
Very rich from the guy who has pretty much turned the league's largest fanbase forum into a place where only a dozen or so people post.

Trust me, if I had the power to make people stop posting here I'd have used it on you to great acclaim.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:23:28 PM
Quote from: Bender on January 05, 2020, 03:21:11 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:15:37 PM
Quote from: Hobbes on January 05, 2020, 03:13:15 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:07:25 PM
Quote from: Hobbes on January 05, 2020, 03:05:17 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:02:17 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on January 05, 2020, 02:57:42 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 02:51:47 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on January 05, 2020, 02:47:42 PM

There are no stats, traditional or analytic, by which Gardiner was bad his last three years as a Leaf.

Game 7 stats.

I appreciate that reading is tough for you but give it another go.

That wasn't in last 3 years Professor?

"It's snowing today" != "it has snowed every day for the last 3 years"

Are you making the case that Gardiner is great? Many, including nhl GM's don't agree.
Seriously?

Let me make this "case": your last post was f***ing stupid. It does not follow that every single post you've ever made was stupid, nor that you're a certifiable genius.

Gardiner is average at best. Most who watch and GM know it, but analytics and apologists here disagree.
You don't have to be an apologist to disagree.

Should I change the and to or?
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bender on January 05, 2020, 03:31:43 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:23:28 PM
Quote from: Bender on January 05, 2020, 03:21:11 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:15:37 PM
Quote from: Hobbes on January 05, 2020, 03:13:15 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:07:25 PM
Quote from: Hobbes on January 05, 2020, 03:05:17 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:02:17 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on January 05, 2020, 02:57:42 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 02:51:47 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on January 05, 2020, 02:47:42 PM

There are no stats, traditional or analytic, by which Gardiner was bad his last three years as a Leaf.

Game 7 stats.

I appreciate that reading is tough for you but give it another go.

That wasn't in last 3 years Professor?

"It's snowing today" != "it has snowed every day for the last 3 years"

Are you making the case that Gardiner is great? Many, including nhl GM's don't agree.
Seriously?

Let me make this "case": your last post was f***ing stupid. It does not follow that every single post you've ever made was stupid, nor that you're a certifiable genius.

Gardiner is average at best. Most who watch and GM know it, but analytics and apologists here disagree.
You don't have to be an apologist to disagree.

Should I change the and to or?
You don't have to be huge into analytics either. Just like you don't need analytics to think Nylander is a good player.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:33:41 PM
Quote from: Bender on January 05, 2020, 03:31:43 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:23:28 PM
Quote from: Bender on January 05, 2020, 03:21:11 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:15:37 PM
Quote from: Hobbes on January 05, 2020, 03:13:15 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:07:25 PM
Quote from: Hobbes on January 05, 2020, 03:05:17 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 03:02:17 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on January 05, 2020, 02:57:42 PM
Quote from: Bates on January 05, 2020, 02:51:47 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on January 05, 2020, 02:47:42 PM

There are no stats, traditional or analytic, by which Gardiner was bad his last three years as a Leaf.

Game 7 stats.

I appreciate that reading is tough for you but give it another go.

That wasn't in last 3 years Professor?

"It's snowing today" != "it has snowed every day for the last 3 years"

Are you making the case that Gardiner is great? Many, including nhl GM's don't agree.
Seriously?

Let me make this "case": your last post was f***ing stupid. It does not follow that every single post you've ever made was stupid, nor that you're a certifiable genius.

Gardiner is average at best. Most who watch and GM know it, but analytics and apologists here disagree.
You don't have to be an apologist to disagree.

Should I change the and to or?
You don't have to be huge into analytics either. Just like you don't need analytics to think Nylander is a good player.

I agree but there is a diffferendebetween thinking Nylander is bad, Nylander is good, and Nylander is the best. I read on here pretty much daily that Nylander is all of them depending on the poster.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on January 05, 2020, 03:36:50 PM
Quote from: Bender on January 05, 2020, 03:31:43 PMYou don't have to be huge into analytics either. Just like you don't need analytics to think Nylander is a good player.

Exactly. Gardiner's analytics are good. His traditional stats were good. To think Gardiner was a good player the only thing you needed was not to think that every measurable, quantifiable standard that exists was meaningless compared to your own personal judgement.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 05, 2020, 03:38:00 PM
Quote from: Bender on January 05, 2020, 03:31:43 PM
You don't have to be huge into analytics either. Just like you don't need analytics to think Nylander is a good player.
Same applies when a player isn't that good. Analytics don't always tell the whole story either.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Hobbes on January 05, 2020, 04:04:16 PM
I wasn't terribly upset when the Leafs elected not to re-sign Gardiner because I expected his cap hit would be too high to fit (we still had Zaitsev on the books at the time) and because I didn't have as high an opinion of him as some here do.

Most of the time he's a very decent defenceman with excellent analytics (as well as "old style" stats) but from time to time he'd make those nasty misjakes, and their likelihood of happening seemed to be directly proportional to the pressure of the situation. I've talked about this a couple of times, recently, where playing in high-pressure situations can mess with your head, and Jake always struck me as someone who didn't handle it very well. His most egregious moments seemed to happen at the most inopportune times. He would also do jaw-droppingly amazing things at times,  so I always thought of him as a "pick your poison" player and completely understood why others liked him more than I do/did.

By any objective measure he's far from being a bad defenceman and I'd happily take him at his current $2ishM cap hit over Zaitsev at $4.5 or Ceci at $4.5. I'd take him every day of the week over dozens if not hundreds of other NHL blueline regulars. There are also dozens I'd happily take ahead of him, but most (none) aren't available and most are significantly more expensive.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 05, 2020, 04:20:50 PM
Haha, hundreds? 6 D per team, 31 teams.... You were good with dozens. Gardiner is a decent D man with good puck moving skills. His defensive play isn't good. His body positioning and defensive awareness are lacking. I'm not sad he's gone. Funny thing, Rielly's play reminds me of Gardiner except 44 has a more offensive game. Much of the same in the D zone.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Hobbes on January 05, 2020, 04:27:25 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on January 05, 2020, 04:20:50 PM
Haha, hundreds? 6 D per team, 31 teams.... You were good with dozens.
How about "scores" of them. Bushels? Herds? Gaggles? Murders?  ;D

Quote from: Guilt Trip on January 05, 2020, 04:20:50 PM
Gardiner is a decent D man with good puck moving skills. His defensive play isn't good. His body positioning and defensive awareness are lacking. I'm not sad he's gone. Funny thing, Rielly's play reminds me of Gardiner except 44 has a more offensive game. Much of the same in the D zone.
His defensive play is a bit underrated. Most of the time he did a good job of separating a player from the puck or getting his stick in there. He was/is also a great passer...except when he isn't. It's the occasional terrible decision he makes with the puck on his stick in the D zone that can be the killer. At times you could easily point to the forwards being at least partly to blame by blowing the zone early and not giving him an outlet, but his occasional problematic decisions related to when to still try to force it vs just to run it off the glass and let the forwards go chase.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bender on January 05, 2020, 05:12:10 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on January 05, 2020, 03:38:00 PM
Quote from: Bender on January 05, 2020, 03:31:43 PM
You don't have to be huge into analytics either. Just like you don't need analytics to think Nylander is a good player.
Same applies when a player isn't that good. Analytics don't always tell the whole story either.
Yeah but there's gradients. Some people's definition of bad is Im going to remember all the misplays and never acknowledge the good ones. I think this swings a lot for Gardiner, like Nylander. Everyone has a right to their own opinion but, to us an analogu, as my history prof once said, some interpretations of history, like interpretations of players, are better than others.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bender on January 05, 2020, 05:19:04 PM
Quote from: Hobbes on January 05, 2020, 04:04:16 PM
I wasn't terribly upset when the Leafs elected not to re-sign Gardiner because I expected his cap hit would be too high to fit (we still had Zaitsev on the books at the time) and because I didn't have as high an opinion of him as some here do.

Most of the time he's a very decent defenceman with excellent analytics (as well as "old style" stats) but from time to time he'd make those nasty misjakes, and their likelihood of happening seemed to be directly proportional to the pressure of the situation. I've talked about this a couple of times, recently, where playing in high-pressure situations can mess with your head, and Jake always struck me as someone who didn't handle it very well. His most egregious moments seemed to happen at the most inopportune times. He would also do jaw-droppingly amazing things at times,  so I always thought of him as a "pick your poison" player and completely understood why others liked him more than I do/did.

By any objective measure he's far from being a bad defenceman and I'd happily take him at his current $2ishM cap hit over Zaitsev at $4.5 or Ceci at $4.5. I'd take him every day of the week over dozens if not hundreds of other NHL blueline regulars. There are also dozens I'd happily take ahead of him, but most (none) aren't available and most are significantly more expensive.
See I think this is a reasonable take that most of us here actually have rather than some of the strawman arguments that I've been seeing lately that he's amazeballs or whatever. I take him over Ceci/Zaitsev any day of the week. The thing about the Leafs market is we are so inward looking. How many comparable D are there at his hit/age/production? It all goes into the calculus. If he's overpaid at $8m yeah he's terrible relative to that contract and to other D at that cap hit, but for his cap hit, age, for what he provided I think he'd make a fine 3/4. Problem is, like many players before him, he was probably played a bit too high in the lineup. Let's not forget he was also playing under Babs. I think he'd potentially feel more comfortable, as the whole team appears to feel, under Keefe.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on January 05, 2020, 06:24:43 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on January 05, 2020, 03:38:00 PM
Same applies when a player isn't that good. Analytics don't always tell the whole story either.

I really think we need to stop thinking of "analytics" as some sort of single thing. Advanced stats, like simple stats, all try to tell part of the story. Just like a player's goal total doesn't tell the entire story of them as a player, neither do possession numbers. That said, nobody would seriously argue that goal totals, especially not goal totals over several years, tell you nothing about a player's ability to score goals. Likewise, possession numbers over a period of years do tell us something, even if they're not the entire story.

So in Gardiner's case what we have is a situation where his advanced numbers say something, his more traditional numbers say something and then we have people's opinions about things that "numbers don't show". Which, you know, we shouldn't discount but I think that when they're directly contradicting what the sum total of the measurable stuff tells us there is a greater burden on them.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2020, 01:19:54 PM
Nikita Soshnikov is having a pretty good season in the KHL right now. He's second on his team in points with 38 in 48 games. He trails linemate Linus Omark, who some might remember as a shifty Oilers prospect.

That puts him 5th overall in points in the league and he's 3rd in goals. Nice to see him thriving after his NHL career got derailed because of injuries. Since being traded to the Blues (which was about 2 years ago now) he's played just 28 professional games prior to this season. 17 in the NHL and 11 in the AHL.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 22, 2020, 06:23:01 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2020, 01:19:54 PM
Nikita Soshnikov is having a pretty good season in the KHL right now. He's second on his team in points with 38 in 48 games. He trails linemate Linus Omark, who some might remember as a shifty Oilers prospect.

That puts him 5th overall in points in the league and he's 3rd in goals. Nice to see him thriving after his NHL career got derailed because of injuries. Since being traded to the Blues (which was about 2 years ago now) he's played just 28 professional games prior to this season. 17 in the NHL and 11 in the AHL.
I believe he trained with the Leafs in the summer. Said something about the Leafs having the best of the best when it came to training.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on February 09, 2020, 10:29:04 PM
https://twitter.com/lakings/status/1226678236802764802

They grow up so fast
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on May 06, 2020, 06:36:59 PM
He was a minor Leaf, but this isn't minor badness.
https://twitter.com/hockeyxt/status/1258152517596217344
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Zee on May 06, 2020, 07:01:45 PM
Quote from: herman on May 06, 2020, 06:36:59 PM
He was a minor Leaf, but this isn't minor badness.
https://twitter.com/hockeyxt/status/1258152517596217344
Saw that. It's ok he deleted his instagram I'm sure it's all good now.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: char on May 06, 2020, 10:03:36 PM
As it turns out, Jack Rodewald also played for the Marlies from 2014 to 2016, at the same time that Leipsic did.

Sent from my MHA-AL00 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bender on May 06, 2020, 10:08:46 PM
Quote from: Zee on May 06, 2020, 07:01:45 PM
Quote from: herman on May 06, 2020, 06:36:59 PM
He was a minor Leaf, but this isn't minor badness.
https://twitter.com/hockeyxt/status/1258152517596217344
Saw that. It's ok he deleted his instagram I'm sure it's all good now.
Blech.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on May 06, 2020, 10:51:37 PM
https://twitter.com/pr_nhl/status/1258190574055817216

This will solve all the problems.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 07, 2020, 08:28:49 AM
5 teams in 5 years suddenly makes a little more sense.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: L K on May 07, 2020, 09:16:56 AM
I'd just like to point out that you are all fat and your significant others smell bad.

I can't wait to have hockey back to chat with all of you.  See you soon!

Wait, why am I banned. 

I'm sorry I said stuff in private and it got out.

Sadly I think Leipsic is probably not the only hockey player who has these kind of viewpoints. 
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bullfrog on May 07, 2020, 10:51:11 AM
Wait, LK said he's sorry. So, it's all good now. Welcome back!

He'll make sure his disgusting comments stay private for now on.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on May 07, 2020, 10:55:15 AM
LK will attend mandatory social media sensitivity* training

* how to hide his internet activity training
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on May 07, 2020, 12:23:18 PM

I do appreciate getting upset by this but to me it's more like the Senators guys from the Cab last year. It's a document of a hockey player acting like I was already pretty sure hockey players act like.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 07, 2020, 01:57:13 PM
https://twitter.com/MattBarnaby3636/status/1258195394284175360

jesus christ...
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bullfrog on May 07, 2020, 02:50:50 PM
But he followed up with "lmao at the people who believed my 'moral of the story' post."  tee hee
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: OldTimeHockey on May 07, 2020, 02:54:05 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on May 07, 2020, 12:23:18 PM
hockey player acting like I was already pretty sure hockey players act like.

Hockey Players acting like people act.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bender on May 07, 2020, 06:52:53 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 07, 2020, 01:57:13 PM
https://twitter.com/MattBarnaby3636/status/1258195394284175360

jesus christ...
Even if he's trying to be funny... Like read the room man.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on May 08, 2020, 10:20:55 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on May 07, 2020, 02:54:05 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on May 07, 2020, 12:23:18 PM
hockey player acting like I was already pretty sure hockey players act like.

Hockey Players acting like people act.

I get what you're saying but it's silly to pretend like this isn't particularly prevalent in sports culture and young men specifically.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 08, 2020, 10:47:20 AM
https://twitter.com/Tarik_ElBashir/status/1258768988387016705

Hope he doesn't mind playing in Europe.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on May 08, 2020, 10:59:08 AM
His brother was released from the Manitoba Bisons as well
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Highlander on May 08, 2020, 01:22:08 PM
To bad he has already made enough money to retire on.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: OldTimeHockey on May 08, 2020, 01:32:49 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on May 08, 2020, 10:20:55 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on May 07, 2020, 02:54:05 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on May 07, 2020, 12:23:18 PM
hockey player acting like I was already pretty sure hockey players act like.

Hockey Players acting like people act.

I get what you're saying but it's silly to pretend like this isn't particularly prevalent in sports culture and young men specifically.

I wouldn't say it's prevalent more in sports any more than it is in generally male dominated areas of our world. I work in industrial areas and those comments aren't far off from what I hear most days of the week. I've also gotten quite a few messages in the past few years on social media that would insinuate fairly similar attitudes.

I'm not condoning it, just saying that it's not a sport problem. It's a people problem.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on May 08, 2020, 01:58:16 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on May 08, 2020, 01:32:49 PM
I'm not condoning it, just saying that it's not a sport problem. It's a people problem

They're not mutually exclusive. It can be a problem within society as a whole and then be exacerbated if you take a bunch of young men and add money, fame and a general lack of accountability.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: . on May 08, 2020, 02:08:40 PM
Quote from: Highlander on May 08, 2020, 01:22:08 PM
To bad he has already made enough money to retire on.

I'd wager the majority of the people in this thread have made comments in their early 20's that, if made public at the time, would definitely regret. Only difference being it may not have been put on social media.

Not defending the player, but the holier than thou stuff is a bit much.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bates on May 08, 2020, 02:20:42 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on May 08, 2020, 01:32:49 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on May 08, 2020, 10:20:55 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on May 07, 2020, 02:54:05 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on May 07, 2020, 12:23:18 PM
hockey player acting like I was already pretty sure hockey players act like.

Hockey Players acting like people act.

I get what you're saying but it's silly to pretend like this isn't particularly prevalent in sports culture and young men specifically.

I wouldn't say it's prevalent more in sports any more than it is in generally male dominated areas of our world. I work in industrial areas and those comments aren't far off from what I hear most days of the week. I've also gotten quite a few messages in the past few years on social media that would insinuate fairly similar attitudes.

I'm not condoning it, just saying that it's not a sport problem. It's a people problem.

If you think young girls talk any different I've got news for you.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bates on May 08, 2020, 02:22:30 PM
Quote from: Highlander on May 08, 2020, 01:22:08 PM
To bad he has already made enough money to retire on.

He would retire pretty poor on his earnings so far.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 08, 2020, 02:30:46 PM
This wasn't just one or two comments. This was an entire group chat that seemed to exist for the sole purpose of saying misogynistic bullcrap. If you think that's normal you're really just telling on yourself/your social circle.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bates on May 08, 2020, 02:34:44 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 08, 2020, 02:30:46 PM
This wasn't just one or two comments. This was an entire group chat that seemed to exist for the sole purpose of saying misogynistic bullcrap. If you think that's normal you're really just telling on yourself/your social circle.

I have owned a retail business for 20 years that employs mostly young and mostly female. I have heard those conversations every Monday about the weekend's conquests for 20 years. It's not just a Male thing. It gets more forward by the year. If you dont hear those types of things on a fairly regular basis your group is probably more of an exception than the rule.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on May 08, 2020, 02:37:59 PM
The guy is turning 26 in a couple weeks. That's not really "just a kid" territory.

And to Carlton's point, I certainly said and did a lot of dumb things when I actually was in my early 20's but by and large they didn't involve being crappy to other people. There's a pretty fair gap between thinking this is lousy behaviour and thinking that makes you above reproach.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bates on May 08, 2020, 02:40:46 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on May 08, 2020, 02:37:59 PM
The guy is turning 26 in a couple weeks. That's not really "just a kid" territory.

And to Carlton's point, I certainly said and did a lot of dumb things when I actually was in my early 20's but by and large they didn't involve being crappy to other people. There's a pretty fair gap between thinking this is lousy behaviour and thinking that makes you above reproach.

No one has justified it, just stating that it isnt that far out from the norm among young people.  Heck it's not that unusual at any age.  He has been outed as a douche and will pay a very heavy price.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on May 08, 2020, 02:58:02 PM
Quote from: Bates on May 08, 2020, 02:40:46 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on May 08, 2020, 02:37:59 PM
The guy is turning 26 in a couple weeks. That's not really "just a kid" territory.

And to Carlton's point, I certainly said and did a lot of dumb things when I actually was in my early 20's but by and large they didn't involve being crappy to other people. There's a pretty fair gap between thinking this is lousy behaviour and thinking that makes you above reproach.

No one has justified it, just stating that it isnt that far out from the norm among young people.  Heck it's not that unusual at any age.  He has been outed as a douche and will pay a very heavy price.

I don't think anyone has the depth or breadth of knowledge to say what is or isn't the norm for people of any age. I would never presume that the Toronto living, NDP voting, Izakaya drinking people I've hung out with for my adult life represent "the norm" among people my age so I'm probably not going to do it with with OTH's industrial sites or your retail environment for people a bit younger than me. Humanity is big and varied and our narrow experiences of it aren't universal. There are monster truck fans and poetry readers and people who like both.

But even if it does represent a norm, I don't think it really matters. If 80% of people talk like this behind closed doors then I think the 20% who don't can call them on it without being "holier than thou" as was said.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 08, 2020, 03:08:27 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on May 08, 2020, 02:58:02 PM
But even if it does represent a norm, I don't think it really matters. If 80% of people talk like this behind closed doors then I think the 20% who don't can call them on it without being "holier than thou" as was said.

Yeah I didn't mean to suggest no one talks like this. When I read through all those screen shots I thought "wow this is garbage, nobody talks like this in the group chat I have with a dozen or so buddies". If someone else read through those screen shots and thought "yeah this seems pretty normal, my friends talk like this all the time" then well sorry but your friends suck. You can call me holier than thou all you want, I'd take it as a compliment.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on May 08, 2020, 04:11:20 PM
If it's normal and not good, it's still not good and people should strive to do better. Standing still to look backwards all the time gets you nowhere or worse.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2020, 04:53:28 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on May 08, 2020, 02:58:02 PM
Quote from: Bates on May 08, 2020, 02:40:46 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on May 08, 2020, 02:37:59 PM
The guy is turning 26 in a couple weeks. That's not really "just a kid" territory.

And to Carlton's point, I certainly said and did a lot of dumb things when I actually was in my early 20's but by and large they didn't involve being crappy to other people. There's a pretty fair gap between thinking this is lousy behaviour and thinking that makes you above reproach.

No one has justified it, just stating that it isnt that far out from the norm among young people.  Heck it's not that unusual at any age.  He has been outed as a douche and will pay a very heavy price.

I don't think anyone has the depth or breadth of knowledge to say what is or isn't the norm for people of any age. I would never presume that the Toronto living, NDP voting, Izakaya drinking people I've hung out with for my adult life represent "the norm" among people my age so I'm probably not going to do it with with OTH's industrial sites or your retail environment for people a bit younger than me. Humanity is big and varied and our narrow experiences of it aren't universal. There are monster truck fans and poetry readers and people who like both.

But even if it does represent a norm, I don't think it really matters. If 80% of people talk like this behind closed doors then I think the 20% who don't can call them on it without being "holier than thou" as was said.

But if everyone else is doing it, that makes OK? Right?

edit: ^^^^^ what Herman said.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: OldTimeHockey on May 08, 2020, 07:11:59 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on May 08, 2020, 01:58:16 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on May 08, 2020, 01:32:49 PM
I'm not condoning it, just saying that it's not a sport problem. It's a people problem

They're not mutually exclusive. It can be a problem within society as a whole and then be exacerbated if you take a bunch of young men and add money, fame and a general lack of accountability.

Sure it can be made by these young men that are sort of "famous"....My point is, it isn't exclusive to hockey. That is all.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: OldTimeHockey on May 08, 2020, 07:21:51 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 08, 2020, 02:30:46 PM
This wasn't just one or two comments. This was an entire group chat that seemed to exist for the sole purpose of saying misogynistic bullcrap. If you think that's normal you're really just telling on yourself/your social circle.

No one is saying it's ok, or "normal".

But it does happen on the regular.

This has nothing to do with age, fame, profession.....etc;

It has to do with society and what was considered "accepted" for so long. It was always ok for the creepy old guy to get the server to sit on his knee at the bar. It was always ok for the construction guy to yell comments at the woman walking by. And yes, it was pretty darn regular to hear talk about the conquests in the hockey dressingroom by not only NHL players, or junior players. It happened in peewee hockey, bantam hockey, oldtimers hockey, etc;

This never was "okay"..but it was kind of overlooked. That is changing. Some dicks haven't gotten the message. They will. Those 4 idiots just did.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on May 09, 2020, 04:36:12 PM
https://twitter.com/KSensStats/status/1259148811940827136
At least one person out there in hockey believes this is proper hockey culture fun
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on May 09, 2020, 05:20:12 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on May 08, 2020, 07:11:59 PM
Sure it can be made by these young men that are sort of "famous"....My point is, it isn't exclusive to hockey. That is all.

I don't think anyone ever said it was. In fact the post of mine you're referring to explicitly says that saying it's particularly a problem within hockey is not saying it's exclusive to hockey.

And again, I think you need to recognize that your experiences aren't universal. What people like me and CtB are saying is that despite this sort of thing being commonplace in some environments you frequent, it's not in others and your perception of what was "okay" or accepted in society is more of a reflection of the parts of society you're familiar with than it is a grand, sweeping statement about society as a whole.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: OldTimeHockey on May 10, 2020, 12:58:11 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on May 09, 2020, 05:20:12 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on May 08, 2020, 07:11:59 PM
Sure it can be made by these young men that are sort of "famous"....My point is, it isn't exclusive to hockey. That is all.

I don't think anyone ever said it was. In fact the post of mine you're referring to explicitly says that saying it's particularly a problem within hockey is not saying it's exclusive to hockey.

And again, I think you need to recognize that your experiences aren't universal. What people like me and CtB are saying is that despite this sort of thing being commonplace in some environments you frequent, it's not in others and your perception of what was "okay" or accepted in society is more of a reflection of the parts of society you're familiar with than it is a grand, sweeping statement about society as a whole.

Yep, you're right.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on May 16, 2020, 09:19:04 PM
https://twitter.com/laurenjane2588/status/1261439659894165505

Not a minor Leaf, but semi-minor news. Probably doesn't mind the break in game action!
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Highlander on May 17, 2020, 11:59:29 AM
Now he finds out what Love truly is.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on May 21, 2020, 11:52:24 AM
https://twitter.com/PeterHolland13/status/1263494045764128776
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 21, 2020, 11:55:40 AM
I really liked Holland. It's too bad things never really worked out in the NHL.

edit: I couldn't really remember how we acquired him originally. It was Jesse Blacker (bust) and a 2nd and 7th round draft pick. Those picks ended up being used on Marcus Pettersson and Ondrej Kase. We obviously can't suggest that the Leafs would have picked the same players but interesting that Anaheim really nailed those specific picks.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: bustaheims on May 21, 2020, 12:55:09 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 21, 2020, 11:55:40 AM
I really liked Holland. It's too bad things never really worked out in the NHL.

edit: I couldn't really remember how we acquired him originally. It was Jesse Blacker (bust) and a 2nd and 7th round draft pick. Those picks ended up being used on Marcus Pettersson and Ondrej Kase. We obviously can't suggest that the Leafs would have picked the same players but interesting that Anaheim really nailed those specific picks.

Anaheim always seems to do well with picks they acquire from the Leafs - Sam Steel, Maxime Comtois, Rickard Rakell, John Gibson...we shouldn't let them have any more of our picks.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on May 21, 2020, 01:17:39 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on May 21, 2020, 12:55:09 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 21, 2020, 11:55:40 AM
I really liked Holland. It's too bad things never really worked out in the NHL.

edit: I couldn't really remember how we acquired him originally. It was Jesse Blacker (bust) and a 2nd and 7th round draft pick. Those picks ended up being used on Marcus Pettersson and Ondrej Kase. We obviously can't suggest that the Leafs would have picked the same players but interesting that Anaheim really nailed those specific picks.

Anaheim always seems to do well with picks they acquire from the Leafs - Sam Steel, Maxime Comtois, Rickard Rakell, John Gibson...we shouldn't let them have any more of our picks.

Um, why not just poach their scouting staff.
https://www.nhl.com/ducks/news/q-a-ducks-director-of-amateur-scouting-martin-madden/c-675621
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 15, 2020, 11:20:07 AM
https://twitter.com/seanshapiro/status/1272523947762999296
https://twitter.com/seanshapiro/status/1272526528677625857

Polak's signed with a team in Europe for 20/21. What's interesting is his comments seem to suggest he wouldn't want to return to the States to participate in Dallas' playoff run. Maybe there's some translation issues there and he'll offer a correction but that's what it seems to say. There's more in the thread.

He also talked about how frustrating his season was in Dallas as he had to play in a rotation for a long period of time and it was difficult to stay motivated.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on October 16, 2020, 11:10:53 AM

Jeremy Bracco signed a two-way deal with the Hurricanes.

I admit, I don't entirely get this one. I guess I'm just not an AHL watcher but to me it seems like if a guy can score the way he did in the AHL at his age you should probably at least give him a NHL look. Even if he's the worst defensive player in the history of the game, a team with depth scoring issues feels like a place to at least test the proposition out
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bullfrog on October 16, 2020, 11:56:28 AM
I'm guessing it's due to attitude and not performance.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on October 16, 2020, 12:09:58 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on October 16, 2020, 11:56:28 AM
I'm guessing it's due to attitude and not performance.

Could be. That still strikes me as a lousy reason but there you go.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: OldTimeHockey on October 16, 2020, 12:11:53 PM
Quote from: Nik on October 16, 2020, 12:09:58 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on October 16, 2020, 11:56:28 AM
I'm guessing it's due to attitude and not performance.

Could be. That still strikes me as a lousy reason but there you go.

I don't think that's a lousy reason at all
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on October 16, 2020, 12:17:40 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on October 16, 2020, 12:11:53 PM
I don't think that's a lousy reason at all

So what happens when we disagree? Enter into a tongtine where the last remaining survivor is declared right?
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Frank E on October 16, 2020, 12:27:05 PM
Quote from: Nik on October 16, 2020, 12:17:40 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on October 16, 2020, 12:11:53 PM
I don't think that's a lousy reason at all

So what happens when we disagree? Enter into a tongtine where the last remaining survivor is declared right?

It used to be the winner of a game of NHL94.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on October 16, 2020, 12:42:15 PM
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-marlies/2020/2/5/21123950/jeremy-bracco-out-of-toronto-marlies-lineup-for-personal-reasons-maple-leafs-trade-talk

He had one good-looking AHL season largely thanks to Chris Mueller. His defensive skill is underrated but his work rate doesn?t make up for when his go-to moves get stymied. He will have to make some changes to keep up in Carolina?s skate-chaos-skate system.

He is a crafty and elusive skater when he gets going, but it?s a style that limits him to the right wing.

You could take the sunglasses in the truck selfie subset of the fanbase?s general criticism of Nylander (which are shallow and not true) and apply them accurately to Bracco.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Highlander on October 16, 2020, 01:04:48 PM
Hope the kid gets his shite together, learn from Clune about real work ethic he tried to teach him.  Wish him well, some things are just not meant to be. 
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Frank E on October 16, 2020, 02:13:57 PM
Quote from: herman on October 16, 2020, 12:42:15 PM
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-marlies/2020/2/5/21123950/jeremy-bracco-out-of-toronto-marlies-lineup-for-personal-reasons-maple-leafs-trade-talk

He had one good-looking AHL season largely thanks to Chris Mueller. His defensive skill is underrated but his work rate doesn?t make up for when his go-to moves get stymied. He will have to make some changes to keep up in Carolina?s skate-chaos-skate system.

He is a crafty and elusive skater when he gets going, but it?s a style that limits him to the right wing.

You could take the sunglasses in the truck selfie subset of the fanbase?s general criticism of Nylander (which are shallow and not true) and apply them accurately to Bracco.

Do we not use the term "floater" anymore?  Because it sounds like he's a floater.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 16, 2020, 02:31:06 PM
Quote from: Highlander on October 16, 2020, 01:04:48 PM
Hope the kid gets his shite together, learn from Clune about real work ethic he tried to teach him.  Wish him well, some things are just not meant to be. 
He def has world class passing skills. Would have liked to seen him get a shot but whatever. Good luck to him.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: OldTimeHockey on October 16, 2020, 05:48:42 PM
Quote from: Nik on October 16, 2020, 12:17:40 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on October 16, 2020, 12:11:53 PM
I don't think that's a lousy reason at all

So what happens when we disagree? Enter into a tongtine where the last remaining survivor is declared right?

Rock/Paper/Scissors.

(https://images3.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED326/5d6e4516652e9.jpeg)

Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: OldTimeHockey on October 16, 2020, 05:49:26 PM
Quote from: Frank E on October 16, 2020, 12:27:05 PM
Quote from: Nik on October 16, 2020, 12:17:40 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on October 16, 2020, 12:11:53 PM
I don't think that's a lousy reason at all

So what happens when we disagree? Enter into a tongtine where the last remaining survivor is declared right?

It used to be the winner of a game of NHL94.

We used to do RBI Baseball or Mariokart
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on October 17, 2020, 01:50:17 PM
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1317511394288435201
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bender on October 17, 2020, 06:27:31 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on October 17, 2020, 01:50:17 PM
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1317511394288435201
That is a lot closer to commensurate value for him.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on October 22, 2020, 10:23:55 AM
Gary Roberts got hired by the Seattle Kraken as a sports science and performance consultant. I'm assuming his ties to Francis come into play there.

Still, looks like Seattle is building a good staff.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on October 22, 2020, 10:35:34 AM
https://twitter.com/Canes/status/1319285826451243011
Their former Leaf collection is building up nicely.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Highlander on October 22, 2020, 12:02:04 PM
Quote from: Nik on October 22, 2020, 10:23:55 AM
Gary Roberts got hired by the Seattle Kraken as a sports science and performance consultant. I'm assuming his ties to Francis come into play there.

Still, looks like Seattle is building a good staff.
Thats a long commute from his T.O. business.  Gotta admit, I love Seattle, great city.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: . on October 22, 2020, 02:06:55 PM
I remember Roberts and Draper going at it in the alumni game, and being conflicted as to whether it was awesome or disappointing.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Highlander on December 02, 2020, 05:54:26 PM
I heard Garrett Sparks signed with the Orlando Solar Bears.  Hope he can resurrect his career.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bender on December 02, 2020, 09:44:48 PM
Quote from: Highlander on December 02, 2020, 05:54:26 PM
I heard Garrett Sparks signed with the Orlando Solar Bears.  Hope he can resurrect his career.
I don't really care one way or the other tbh. He's not a good goalie.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: OldTimeHockey on December 03, 2020, 07:29:09 AM
Quote from: Bender on December 02, 2020, 09:44:48 PM
Quote from: Highlander on December 02, 2020, 05:54:26 PM
I heard Garrett Sparks signed with the Orlando Solar Bears.  Hope he can resurrect his career.
I don't really care one way or the other tbh. He's not a good goalie.

That's a bit harsh.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 03, 2020, 10:06:52 AM
I mean his NHL dreams are probably kaput but still signing with an ECHL team is quite the drop for someone who was the AHL goalie of the year just a few seasons ago.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: OldTimeHockey on December 03, 2020, 11:10:59 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 03, 2020, 10:06:52 AM
I mean his NHL dreams are probably kaput but still signing with an ECHL team is quite the drop for someone who was the AHL goalie of the year just a few seasons ago.

Yes, you are correct, but it wouldn't be the first time an elder 30 something goalie worked his way from the ECHL up. I get what Bender is saying, but Sparks is in fact a pretty good goalie. Is he NHL caliber? I'd say no. He's proven that he's AHL caliber though. Like you said, he was AHL goalie of the year. That does mean he's a pretty good goalie.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: bustaheims on December 03, 2020, 12:10:57 PM
In a normal off-season, someone would have have signed him as their 3rd or 4th string goalie. Obviously, this was not a normal off-season.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bender on December 03, 2020, 09:20:55 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on December 03, 2020, 11:10:59 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 03, 2020, 10:06:52 AM
I mean his NHL dreams are probably kaput but still signing with an ECHL team is quite the drop for someone who was the AHL goalie of the year just a few seasons ago.

Yes, you are correct, but it wouldn't be the first time an elder 30 something goalie worked his way from the ECHL up. I get what Bender is saying, but Sparks is in fact a pretty good goalie. Is he NHL caliber? I'd say no. He's proven that he's AHL caliber though. Like you said, he was AHL goalie of the year. That does mean he's a pretty good goalie.
Yeah but his character really put a bad taste in my mouth after a while. I really defended him a lot but when he started talking about how the team needed to play better when he was arguably one of the worst players on the team... Maybe it's just me but he doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Guilt Trip on December 04, 2020, 10:59:22 AM
Quote from: Bender on December 03, 2020, 09:20:55 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on December 03, 2020, 11:10:59 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 03, 2020, 10:06:52 AM
I mean his NHL dreams are probably kaput but still signing with an ECHL team is quite the drop for someone who was the AHL goalie of the year just a few seasons ago.

Yes, you are correct, but it wouldn't be the first time an elder 30 something goalie worked his way from the ECHL up. I get what Bender is saying, but Sparks is in fact a pretty good goalie. Is he NHL caliber? I'd say no. He's proven that he's AHL caliber though. Like you said, he was AHL goalie of the year. That does mean he's a pretty good goalie.
Yeah but his character really put a bad taste in my mouth after a while. I really defended him a lot but when he started talking about how the team needed to play better when he was arguably one of the worst players on the team... Maybe it's just me but he doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut.
It's not just you. The Leafs felt the same way.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: OldTimeHockey on December 04, 2020, 04:57:44 PM
Quote from: Bender on December 03, 2020, 09:20:55 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on December 03, 2020, 11:10:59 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 03, 2020, 10:06:52 AM
I mean his NHL dreams are probably kaput but still signing with an ECHL team is quite the drop for someone who was the AHL goalie of the year just a few seasons ago.

Yes, you are correct, but it wouldn't be the first time an elder 30 something goalie worked his way from the ECHL up. I get what Bender is saying, but Sparks is in fact a pretty good goalie. Is he NHL caliber? I'd say no. He's proven that he's AHL caliber though. Like you said, he was AHL goalie of the year. That does mean he's a pretty good goalie.
Yeah but his character really put a bad taste in my mouth after a while. I really defended him a lot but when he started talking about how the team needed to play better when he was arguably one of the worst players on the team... Maybe it's just me but he doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut.

I took more issue with your comment that he wasn't a good goalie. He is in fact, a pretty good goalie. If youre comparing him to Lundqvist or Price...he's obviously below their tier.

As for the character thing, i do remember his comments and didn't think much of it. That doesn't mean I agreed with the comments. But, being a goalie myself, your island mentality, sometimes turns into "me versus the world". Sometimes that "world" feels like it's your own team.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on December 04, 2020, 06:29:25 PM
Man, it sure seems like Garrett Sparks made a bigger impression on some of you than he did me.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Highlander on December 04, 2020, 07:13:46 PM
I remember him playing for Guelph Storm, seems a lifetime ago. Then his success with the Marlies, a Calder Cup and a shutout in his first game with the Leafs.  All seemed bright at the time. He didn't get much defensive support in his brief tenure that is for sure. 
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bender on December 05, 2020, 01:52:30 AM
Quote from: Nik on December 04, 2020, 06:29:25 PM
Man, it sure seems like Garrett Sparks made a bigger impression on some of you than he did me.
I got sucked into the "Did Dubas keep the right goalie?" debate pretty hard.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 05, 2020, 09:57:50 PM
https://twitter.com/FulltimeGonger/status/1335089634385293312

Retweet ≠ endorsement
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 06, 2020, 10:19:49 AM
At least this solves the mystery of why Ian White's career ended when he was 28 years old. That's not even his weirdest tweet this week.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bullfrog on December 06, 2020, 12:19:42 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on December 05, 2020, 09:57:50 PM
https://twitter.com/FulltimeGonger/status/1335089634385293312

Retweet ≠ endorsement

https://twitter.com/FulltimeGonger/status/1334712896966811650
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 06, 2020, 12:25:22 PM
Yup that's the one I was referring to. I think I've posted about him before, but he's been full on Qanon for a long time now.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on December 06, 2020, 01:54:29 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on December 05, 2020, 09:57:50 PM
https://twitter.com/FulltimeGonger/status/1335089634385293312

Retweet ≠ endorsement

Almost entirely unrelated but that was something I always found funny about the whole "Heavy Metal Bands are secretly recording backwards Satanic messages to put in their songs" thing when, like, bands were singing openly about just hanging out with the Devil.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bullfrog on December 06, 2020, 03:19:12 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 06, 2020, 12:25:22 PM
Yup that's the one I was referring to. I think I've posted about him before, but he's been full on Qanon for a long time now.

His newer ones on the COVID vaccines are a real treat.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on December 06, 2020, 09:22:13 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on December 06, 2020, 03:19:12 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 06, 2020, 12:25:22 PM
Yup that's the one I was referring to. I think I've posted about him before, but he's been full on Qanon for a long time now.

His newer ones on the COVID vaccines are a real treat.

I wonder if he was driving this:

https://www.recorder.ca/news/local-news/anti-vaxxers-bring-message-to-brockville

?mRNA COVID vaccines will destroy your DNA & you will lose your soul!? the brightly-lit sign proclaims. ?The mark of the beast is here.?
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Zee on December 07, 2020, 08:38:21 PM
Quote from: Nik on December 06, 2020, 01:54:29 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on December 05, 2020, 09:57:50 PM
https://twitter.com/FulltimeGonger/status/1335089634385293312

Retweet ≠ endorsement

Almost entirely unrelated but that was something I always found funny about the whole "Heavy Metal Bands are secretly recording backwards Satanic messages to put in their songs" thing when, like, bands were singing openly about just hanging out with the Devil.
I did what Ian White said and said Lil Uzi Vert a few times in a row fast and i don't get Lucifer, I still hear the V. You have failed me Ian White
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bullfrog on December 07, 2020, 10:46:44 PM
Did you have 8 beers first? That's a step many forget.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bender on December 07, 2020, 10:56:16 PM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on December 06, 2020, 09:22:13 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on December 06, 2020, 03:19:12 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 06, 2020, 12:25:22 PM
Yup that's the one I was referring to. I think I've posted about him before, but he's been full on Qanon for a long time now.

His newer ones on the COVID vaccines are a real treat.

I wonder if he was driving this:

https://www.recorder.ca/news/local-news/anti-vaxxers-bring-message-to-brockville

?mRNA COVID vaccines will destroy your DNA & you will lose your soul!? the brightly-lit sign proclaims. ?The mark of the beast is here.?

You know what actually damages your DNA? The Sun! I mean, its just so funny how ad nauseum these anti-vaxxers are. Good lord.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 26, 2021, 01:16:50 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1354113014337835010
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on February 12, 2021, 01:10:06 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1360274508897263618
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 12, 2021, 01:33:48 PM
And because of his high cap hit it's basically guaranteed he'll clear and they'll be able to assign him to the Taxi Squad. Brilliant 4D chess move there.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on February 12, 2021, 01:50:33 PM
I wouldn't mind a 6-8 years younger Komarov on the current Leafs.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on February 12, 2021, 02:06:21 PM
4000 Words on why this move shows that Lou Lam shits rainbows.

by Pierre Lebrun
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 12, 2021, 03:31:07 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 12, 2021, 01:10:06 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1360274508897263618
2nd time this year. Funny though looking at his transactions on CapFriendly. It shows Leo was only sent down to the squad once during his last cleared waivers stint.
Anyway, he's not getting picked up with that cap hit.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 14, 2021, 12:04:03 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1371129419918639110
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on May 12, 2021, 01:27:12 PM
https://twitter.com/HockeyAgent1/status/1392529157662380033
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Guilt Trip on May 12, 2021, 01:52:17 PM
Good for him. I've said it before, if this was a regular season, he would have been given a better chance. Good on Dubas to move him and Lehtonen to places that would give them a chance.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on May 12, 2021, 01:54:31 PM

I think Barabanov was an example of a guy the Leafs haven't had to deal with too much over the years, a guy who can be useful to a NHL team but probably didn't have a role on one of the league's stronger teams.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 12, 2021, 01:56:06 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on May 12, 2021, 01:27:12 PM
https://twitter.com/HockeyAgent1/status/1392529157662380033

7 points in 8 games with the Sharks. He was probably a little fortunate to immediately go on their top line (a tall task to beat out other contenders like Jeffrey Viel and Joachim Blichfeld, totally real and not made up players on the Sharks) and there's a fair bit of evidence suggesting that scoring pace will not keep up... but it's nice that he was able to get another chance to earn a job for next season.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 12, 2021, 02:08:49 PM
Lehtonen's 2nd chance didn't go quite as well: 0 goals, 3 assists in 17 games with Columbus. 2 of those assists came in their final game of the season.

He only played 4 minutes total on their PP which is pretty surprising since that's where he looked his most comfortable as a Leaf and they had a hole there with Werenski's injury and Seth Jones not producing there.

Michael Del Zotto, who has 1 PP point in his last 144 NHL games, received more powerplay time than Lehtonen since Columbus acquired him.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: L K on May 12, 2021, 03:56:03 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 12, 2021, 02:08:49 PM
Lehtonen's 2nd chance didn't go quite as well: 0 goals, 3 assists in 17 games with Columbus. 2 of those assists came in their final game of the season.

He only played 4 minutes total on their PP which is pretty surprising since that's where he looked his most comfortable as a Leaf and they had a hole there with Werenski's injury and Seth Jones not producing there.

Michael Del Zotto, who has 1 PP point in his last 144 NHL games, received more powerplay time than Lehtonen since Columbus acquired him.

I don't think they did him any favours trading him to a team with a guy who probably had no patience for a guy who isn't great defensively.  I think he has NHL level skills he just needs the right environment.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 12, 2021, 04:09:25 PM
Quote from: L K on May 12, 2021, 03:56:03 PM
I don't think they did him any favours trading him to a team with a guy who probably had no patience for a guy who isn't great defensively.  I think he has NHL level skills he just needs the right environment.

The weird thing though is Torts actually played him a decent amount. He averaged 18 minutes a game there, and in his last 9 games was averaging over 20 minutes. He even averaged about a minute of PK time per game. But for whatever reason he just never got on their powerplay despite there being an apparent need for a PP QB.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bender on June 30, 2021, 08:14:22 PM
Bleh

https://twitter.com/Iaur4/status/1410374984590036993?s=19
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on July 01, 2021, 03:16:38 PM
Quote from: Bender on June 30, 2021, 08:14:22 PM
Bleh

Dude has hit pretty much every toxic hockey/dude stereotype.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on August 23, 2021, 08:18:39 AM
https://twitter.com/marnylandersen/status/1428562434894278656
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: L K on August 23, 2021, 12:48:11 PM
Jimmy Hayes passed away.  He was 31.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bender on August 23, 2021, 12:54:53 PM
Quote from: L K on August 23, 2021, 12:48:11 PM
Jimmy Hayes passed away.  He was 31.
Jeez! He was so young!!
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Highlander on August 23, 2021, 01:02:38 PM
What a terrible thing to hear. 31  RIP Jimmy
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on August 23, 2021, 04:36:14 PM
Hope it doesn't have anything to do with the Blackhawks scandal.

EDIT:
That sounds weird.  This is a tragedy all around, and I guess it doesn't really matter if it does or doesn't.  I guess in my head it would be more tragic if this is deemed a suicide, and somehow that was preventable, but really, if it was something else, then it's still bad.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Highlander on August 26, 2021, 02:47:04 PM
Nothing yet on Jimmy, even after autopsy.  Hope its not toxicological.  What a nightmare for his wife and family.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Arn on August 30, 2021, 05:35:29 PM
2014 4th round pick J.J. Piccinich who managed 10 games for the Marlies and a championship with the Growlers has signed in Belfast  8)
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on September 01, 2021, 04:10:42 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on August 23, 2021, 08:18:39 AM
https://twitter.com/marnylandersen/status/1428562434894278656

https://twitter.com/theleafsimo/status/1433158480525922309
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 01, 2021, 04:20:36 PM
I mean, that's not what his actual quote says. He said he's never felt more comfortable than he is with the Pens, which is pretty standard teammate stuff to say.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on September 03, 2021, 01:50:51 PM
https://twitter.com/khl_eng/status/1433845590350340096
Our old friend Nik Kulemin is playing with Ufa Salavat Yulaev this season, i.e. Rodion Amirov's team. He scored a hatty en route to a 5-1 win.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bender on September 03, 2021, 10:32:08 PM
Quote from: herman on September 03, 2021, 01:50:51 PM
https://twitter.com/khl_eng/status/1433845590350340096
Our old friend Nik Kulemin is playing with Ufa Salavat Yulaev this season, i.e. Rodion Amirov's team. He scored a hatty en route to a 5-1 win.
Man, I'm getting old because Kulemin looks old to me now.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: WAYNEINIONA on September 09, 2021, 07:59:34 PM
 Matt Stajan has signed with the Calgary Hitmen as assistant coach.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on September 13, 2021, 02:03:16 PM
https://twitter.com/aportzline/status/1437442782151446539

Sylvain, come on....
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: bustaheims on September 21, 2021, 12:17:14 PM
https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1440346612547473426
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on September 22, 2021, 05:33:34 PM
https://twitter.com/jayonsc/status/1440789718392664064

Lol
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on September 22, 2021, 11:51:13 PM
https://twitter.com/seattlekraken/status/1440855109416599554
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on September 25, 2021, 02:00:18 PM
https://twitter.com/puckempire/status/1441622176365428736
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bullfrog on September 29, 2021, 10:31:57 AM
https://twitter.com/Kyle_Cush/status/1443028399853875209

60 goals for Hyman this year?
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: OldTimeHockey on September 29, 2021, 01:38:28 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on September 29, 2021, 10:31:57 AM
https://twitter.com/Kyle_Cush/status/1443028399853875209

60 goals for Hyman this year?

He just keeps hitting the jackpot
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Dappleganger on September 29, 2021, 02:22:39 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on September 29, 2021, 01:38:28 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on September 29, 2021, 10:31:57 AM
https://twitter.com/Kyle_Cush/status/1443028399853875209

60 goals for Hyman this year?

He just keeps hitting the jackpot

Hyman's next contract after playing alongside McDavid is going to be monstrous!

Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: OldTimeHockey on September 30, 2021, 11:33:40 AM
Quote from: Dappleganger on September 29, 2021, 02:22:39 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on September 29, 2021, 01:38:28 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on September 29, 2021, 10:31:57 AM
https://twitter.com/Kyle_Cush/status/1443028399853875209

60 goals for Hyman this year?

Mcdavid: "Zach, I don't want you to do anything special. Just stand over there with your stick on the ice"



He just keeps hitting the jackpot

Hyman's next contract after playing alongside McDavid is going to be monstrous!
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Arn on September 30, 2021, 05:38:42 PM
Quote from: Arn on August 30, 2021, 05:35:29 PM
2014 4th round pick J.J. Piccinich who managed 10 games for the Marlies and a championship with the Growlers has signed in Belfast  8)

Scored twice on his debut!
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Highlander on October 09, 2021, 12:30:05 PM
The Goat signs a 2 way with the Devil..cloven hooves
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Frank E on October 12, 2021, 02:43:05 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1447986041789505542 (https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1447986041789505542)
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on October 12, 2021, 02:44:16 PM
You mean he successfully avoided Cleveland
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Frank E on October 12, 2021, 02:52:14 PM
Looks like Barabanov made the Sharks opening night roster.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Arn on October 12, 2021, 04:22:34 PM
Quote from: Frank E on October 12, 2021, 02:52:14 PM
Looks like Barabanov made the Sharks opening night roster.

Is he playing goal for them?
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bender on October 13, 2021, 07:33:21 AM
Quote from: Frank E on October 12, 2021, 02:43:05 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1447986041789505542 (https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1447986041789505542)
I mean if he can't crack Columbus...
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on October 13, 2021, 09:19:01 AM
In Lehtonen's case it's not that he doesn't have the skill level to play NHL minutes, it's that Columbus' system is a bad fit for where they'd slot him and he can make better hay at home. The Kraken might be a good fit actually.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: bustaheims on October 13, 2021, 09:29:42 AM
Quote from: herman on October 13, 2021, 09:19:01 AM
In Lehtonen's case it's not that he doesn't have the skill level to play NHL minutes, it's that Columbus' system is a bad fit for where they'd slot him and he can make better hay at home. The Kraken might be a good fit actually.

Maybe, if they didn't already have a billion defencemen.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on October 13, 2021, 09:49:48 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on October 13, 2021, 09:29:42 AM
Quote from: herman on October 13, 2021, 09:19:01 AM
In Lehtonen's case it's not that he doesn't have the skill level to play NHL minutes, it's that Columbus' system is a bad fit for where they'd slot him and he can make better hay at home. The Kraken might be a good fit actually.

Maybe, if they didn't already have a billion defencemen.

It's the Hakstol way
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on October 14, 2021, 06:29:08 PM
https://twitter.com/CraigSMorgan/status/1448677372065161224?t=t8TICtW4jT-5EoKKnyPq8A&s=19
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Highlander on October 16, 2021, 04:33:38 PM
Quote from: herman on October 12, 2021, 02:44:16 PM
You mean he successfully avoided Cleveland
Smart move, next to the hell meter of Buffalo.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on October 17, 2021, 12:51:40 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1449770586247401479
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Highlander on October 17, 2021, 12:57:32 PM
Quote from: herman on October 17, 2021, 12:51:40 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1449770586247401479

At least he tried, good for him. I think he could have stuck on a team like Arizona, but there is no place like home.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: bustaheims on October 17, 2021, 07:33:33 PM
Quote from: Highlander on October 17, 2021, 12:57:32 PM
Quote from: herman on October 17, 2021, 12:51:40 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1449770586247401479

At least he tried, good for him. I think he could have stuck on a team like Arizona, but there is no place like home.

He couldn't stick with a not very good Columbus team. Other than Buffalo, I don't think he cracks any NHL roster.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bender on October 17, 2021, 09:58:40 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on October 17, 2021, 07:33:33 PM
Quote from: Highlander on October 17, 2021, 12:57:32 PM
Quote from: herman on October 17, 2021, 12:51:40 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1449770586247401479

At least he tried, good for him. I think he could have stuck on a team like Arizona, but there is no place like home.

He couldn't stick with a not very good Columbus team. Other than Buffalo, I don't think he cracks any NHL roster.
I know KHL defensemen don't normally make a great transition to the NHL but man, that was a colossal failure.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Highlander on October 18, 2021, 12:20:27 PM
sort of like Zaitzev
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bender on October 18, 2021, 12:47:03 PM
Quote from: Highlander on October 18, 2021, 12:20:27 PM
sort of like Zaitzev

I wouldn't call Zaitsev a colossal failure. He's overpaid, but he stuck in the league. Zaitsev also didn't have that level of offensive output as Lehtonen.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: bustaheims on October 18, 2021, 03:53:02 PM
https://twitter.com/mirtle/status/1450173339297792002
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: bustaheims on October 18, 2021, 03:54:26 PM
Quote from: Bender on October 18, 2021, 12:47:03 PM
Quote from: Highlander on October 18, 2021, 12:20:27 PM
sort of like Zaitzev

I wouldn't call Zaitsev a colossal failure. He's overpaid, but he stuck in the league. Zaitsev also didn't have that level of offensive output as Lehtonen.

Yeah. Zaitsev isn't a particularly good NHL defenceman, but he is good enough to play in the league. Lehtonen? Not so much.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on November 11, 2021, 12:09:36 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on October 18, 2021, 03:53:02 PM
https://twitter.com/mirtle/status/1450173339297792002

https://twitter.com/stapeathletic/status/1458536114546003978
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 11, 2021, 09:20:22 AM
5head move by Lou here, the types of players he overpays are so bad they'll eventually just terminate their own contracts and bingo bango cap hit gone.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bullfrog on November 13, 2021, 02:06:44 PM
https://fb.watch/9fJ_UurAiF/ (https://fb.watch/9fJ_UurAiF/)

25 years ago today, Hextall loses his mind and goes after Potvin.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on November 13, 2021, 11:47:43 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on November 13, 2021, 02:06:44 PM
https://fb.watch/9fJ_UurAiF/ (https://fb.watch/9fJ_UurAiF/)

25 years ago today, Hextall loses his mind and goes after Potvin.
I love how all the skaters knock off and watch in disbelief.

Sent from my moto g(7) power using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on November 14, 2021, 09:13:35 PM
https://twitter.com/lkomarov/status/1459991095937490945
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on November 16, 2021, 03:51:13 PM
https://twitter.com/renlavoietva/status/1460684402413948928
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Zee on November 17, 2021, 06:43:38 PM
Did the Leafs have first dibs on Brooks cause they originally lost him on waivers? Not sure how it works but if so we passed on him.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on November 17, 2021, 06:48:48 PM
Quote from: Zee on November 17, 2021, 06:43:38 PM
Did the Leafs have first dibs on Brooks cause they originally lost him on waivers? Not sure how it works but if so we passed on him.

As previously discussed, there is no first dibs. The Leafs can directly send him to the minors if they are the only team to place a claim.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on November 20, 2021, 10:16:46 AM
https://twitter.com/NHL_Watcher/status/1461917562233626627
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Frank E on November 20, 2021, 10:23:42 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on November 20, 2021, 10:16:46 AM
https://twitter.com/NHL_Watcher/status/1461917562233626627

That was not one of Dubas' nice moves...I know Kadri had to go, but that wasn't the play.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bender on November 20, 2021, 12:41:25 PM
Quote from: Frank E on November 20, 2021, 10:23:42 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on November 20, 2021, 10:16:46 AM
https://twitter.com/NHL_Watcher/status/1461917562233626627

That was not one of Dubas' nice moves...I know Kadri had to go, but that wasn't the play.
It wasn't a good return. Trading for Tyson Barrie retained for 1yr was kind of nonsensical because you're then trading down to Kerfoot. Naz is way more useful at his cap hit than Kerfoot.

Although, if we're gonna talk about recent numbers Kerfoot does have 9pts in his last 10GP.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Frank E on November 20, 2021, 12:58:26 PM
Quote from: Bender on November 20, 2021, 12:41:25 PM
Quote from: Frank E on November 20, 2021, 10:23:42 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on November 20, 2021, 10:16:46 AM
https://twitter.com/NHL_Watcher/status/1461917562233626627

That was not one of Dubas' nice moves...I know Kadri had to go, but that wasn't the play.
It wasn't a good return. Trading for Tyson Barrie retained for 1yr was kind of nonsensical because you're then trading down to Kerfoot. Naz is way more useful at his cap hit than Kerfoot.

Although, if we're gonna talk about recent numbers Kerfoot does have 9pts in his last 10GP.

Sure, but if we're just talking this small sample size, Kadri 15 points in last 8 games still wins.

Kadri is certainly the better player, and although Kerfoot is at least a useful player, Barrie just didn't work.

Having said that, I'm still trying to figure out why they protected Kerfoot in the expansion draft...that one is still a bit of a head scratcher for me.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Guilt Trip on November 20, 2021, 01:31:52 PM
Quote from: Frank E on November 20, 2021, 12:58:26 PM


Having said that, I'm still trying to figure out why they protected Kerfoot in the expansion draft...that one is still a bit of a head scratcher for me.
They didn't protect him. And the deal was what it was. Dubas tried to bet Brodie, it fell through so he took the next best deal. Babcock ruined Barrie and he was pretty good with Keefe as coach. Kadri had to go...no choice. He couldn't be trusted anymore. Wasn't a great trade but also wasn't a bad trade.
Since the trade....
Kadri...2.07 5v5 Pts/60
Kerfoot...1.88 5v5 Pts/60
0.19 5v5 Pts/60 is not a huge margin and considering Kerfoot mainly played on the 3rd line, I'd say he's done pretty good.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 19, 2021, 02:55:45 AM
https://twitter.com/jeffveillette/status/1472328264983134209
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 25, 2021, 01:05:05 AM
https://twitter.com/seandurzi/status/1474602161384222721
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 30, 2021, 10:11:35 AM
https://twitter.com/c_marleau/status/1476082354082832384

OMG
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 02, 2022, 10:51:39 PM
https://twitter.com/fkatbhabhi/status/1477322948751024129
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Frank E on January 03, 2022, 08:46:21 AM
Phil Kessel looks exactly the way I'd have imagined Phil Kessel would like if his partner forced him to get "we're" pregnant pics.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 31, 2022, 10:25:31 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1488334208300990464

Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bender on January 31, 2022, 11:17:06 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on January 31, 2022, 10:25:31 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1488334208300990464


Team is clicking wildly right now.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bullfrog on February 01, 2022, 10:54:52 AM
He's got 23 points in 21 games this season!
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 01, 2022, 10:58:31 AM
Quote from: Bullfrog on February 01, 2022, 10:54:52 AM
He's got 23 points in 21 games this season!

Over half of those points (12) have came in his last 4 games. Ride that wave!
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: L K on February 01, 2022, 02:32:00 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 01, 2022, 10:58:31 AM
Quote from: Bullfrog on February 01, 2022, 10:54:52 AM
He's got 23 points in 21 games this season!

Over half of those points (12) have came in his last 4 games. Ride that wave!

Even still 11 points in 17 games still seems wild for the player we had in the organization.  He really didn't do anything that made me think he would be in the league long enough to be playing regular minutes in 2022 let alone a guy putting up PPG points. 

It's a good for him kind of moment but in no way do I look at this as a move where the Leafs let one get away.    I'm still frustrated by trades the Gunnarson/Steen kind of move where we gave up the better (and younger) player because the talent discrepancy was obvious from the get go.  Marchment was a 13th forward when we traded him and had done nothing to show that he was anything more than that (other than maybe a debate about giving him a longer look as the 12th forward with regular lineup opportunity but certainly not because of production).
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 01, 2022, 02:54:43 PM
Quote from: L K on February 01, 2022, 02:32:00 PM
Even still 11 points in 17 games still seems wild for the player we had in the organization.  He really didn't do anything that made me think he would be in the league long enough to be playing regular minutes in 2022 let alone a guy putting up PPG points.

Even in those 17 games he had a 5-on-5 on-ice shooting percentage of 10.34%. Which for some context is higher than anyone on the Leafs this season except for Kerfoot (who's definitely riding that PDO train) and Mikheyev (is a scorer now). I think he's definitely a guy who most teams would like to have on a 3rd or 4th line but his offensive is definitely a little bit boosted right now because of whatever the hell is going on in Florida this season. Talk of him being a "point per game" player, even if that's what his current stat line says, is a tiny bit disingenuous to me. We're talking about a guy who also had a decent offensive start last season (6 points in 9 games) before getting 0 goals and just 4 assists in his remaining 24 games. So I dunno, colour me skeptical about that PPG rate sticking.

But like I said still a valuable bottom-6 forward and I'm glad he's having success. There were definitely those who watched the Marlies closer than most who thought he had a NHL future.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on February 09, 2022, 11:31:58 AM
One of the best Leafs draft picks to play the game in recent history is set to retire shortly.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 11, 2022, 09:21:02 AM
Quote from: herman on February 09, 2022, 11:31:58 AM
One of the best Leafs draft picks to play the game in recent history is set to retire shortly.
Pour one out for Tyler Biggs, what a career.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 15, 2022, 06:29:28 PM
Brooks on waivers again..
https://twitter.com/mirtle/status/1493664722234880014
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 08, 2022, 10:29:26 PM
https://twitter.com/dalter/status/1501383408265662468

I always thought the "Nick Ritchie hat-trick" was 3 goals in a single calendar month.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 09, 2022, 12:19:00 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 08, 2022, 10:29:26 PM
https://twitter.com/dalter/status/1501383408265662468

I always thought the "Nick Ritchie hat-trick" was 3 goals in a single calendar month.
No expectations/pressure there like there was here for the hometown boy.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Zee on March 09, 2022, 02:46:30 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on March 09, 2022, 12:19:00 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 08, 2022, 10:29:26 PM
https://twitter.com/dalter/status/1501383408265662468

I always thought the "Nick Ritchie hat-trick" was 3 goals in a single calendar month.
No expectations/pressure there like there was here for the hometown boy.

Would be hilarious if Arizona is able to flip him at the deadline for something because he's produced there.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Rob on March 09, 2022, 02:49:07 PM
Quote from: Zee on March 09, 2022, 02:46:30 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on March 09, 2022, 12:19:00 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 08, 2022, 10:29:26 PM
https://twitter.com/dalter/status/1501383408265662468

I always thought the "Nick Ritchie hat-trick" was 3 goals in a single calendar month.
No expectations/pressure there like there was here for the hometown boy.

Would be hilarious if Arizona is able to flip him at the deadline for something because he's produced there.

Dubas will soon wise up to his huge mistake and trade a 1st to Arizona for him. 
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 09, 2022, 09:37:40 PM
Quote from: Rob on March 09, 2022, 02:49:07 PM
Quote from: Zee on March 09, 2022, 02:46:30 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on March 09, 2022, 12:19:00 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 08, 2022, 10:29:26 PM
https://twitter.com/dalter/status/1501383408265662468

I always thought the "Nick Ritchie hat-trick" was 3 goals in a single calendar month.
No expectations/pressure there like there was here for the hometown boy.

Would be hilarious if Arizona is able to flip him at the deadline for something because he's produced there.

Dubas will soon wise up to his huge mistake and trade a 1st to Arizona for him. 
And don't forget Robertson in the deal too.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Arn on March 11, 2022, 04:23:23 PM
Quote from: Arn on August 30, 2021, 05:35:29 PM
2014 4th round pick J.J. Piccinich who managed 10 games for the Marlies and a championship with the Growlers has signed in Belfast  8)

52 games, 32+42 for 74 points so far. One of the best shots I've seen in the league here in a while.

Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 16, 2022, 10:27:32 AM
After playing the last few years in Europe Peter Holland announced his retirement today. Reposting his long twitter thread to avoid clutter:

QuotePRESS RELEASE!

I have decided to step away from the game of hockey. It feels weird to say retire, but I guess that's what it is.

I'm not sure if a Twitter thread is an appropriate forum to announce this but when you were a bubble guy, there's no press conference, banner raising, or puck drop at centre ice. 😂

So here it is:

It's strange to think that something which has been a part of me since before I can remember will no longer be a part of my future. This was not an easy decision, but in order to be honest with myself, it was time to confront the reality that hockey had become unenjoyable for me. I was no longer committed to getting better and therefore I was getting worse. It was an unsustainable trajectory not only for my career but also for my mental health, and therefore it was better to stop altogether.

Also, life comes at you fast! With a young family of my own, having to pack up and move every 6 or 8 months, being away from extended family (sometimes 10 hours apart) - it just wasn't worth it anymore.

But perhaps most importantly, I'm doing it on my own terms with my health - something not to be taken for granted. Especially after playing a highly competitive and physical game professionally for over a decade. Not to mention the 15 years before that.

Admittedly, my passion for the game really fell off a cliff the moment I was traded out of Toronto. I could never rekindle that spark I had when wearing a Leaf jersey. It was like my hockey path was always destined to allow me to wear my boyhood colours; the blue and white. And wow, am I ever blessed to have gotten that opportunity. Once that was over, it was as though I had accomplished the pinnacle of all my hopes and dreams. Did I dream of hoisting a Stanley Cup?  Heck yeah! But as a boy - to even make it to the NHL was a long shot. So what are the odds I got to play for "my" team too? There's some things in this world which you just can't explain.

And now it's time to move on to the next chapter; where I can put my education, zest for knowledge, and passion towards a new endeavour - closer to family.

I've already expressed my sincerest thanks and gratitude to my family so I don't need to do that again here, but I did want to thank each and every one of you for supporting and following my hockey career. Our potential social impact as players was something I never took lightly, and I always tried to represent my family, my team, and the community in a positive light.

In fact, one of the things I am most proud of from my playing days was my willingness to get involved in the community. None more special than visiting and contributing to SickKids Hospital Toronto. I'm sure I got more out of those visits than the kids.

Some things I know for certain: I always tried my best; I cared deeply about my team; I wanted to win for everyone in the dressing room, as well as everyone in the stands (especially everyone in the top bowl!); and most of all I cared about being a good teammate.

With that said, I want to extend a HUGE thanks to all my teammates, equipment staff, and all the team personnel who made the day-to-day operations tick - I see you guys too! I have made some life long friendships from this game, both players and staff, and for that I am eternally grateful.

A thank you to all my coaches and GMs. Although not all of our relationships were equal, even the ones where we butted heads, I know there were meetings I wasn't involved in where you went to bat for me and helped give me an opportunity to live and continue living my dream. So thank you.

Last but certainly not least, Thanks to you: the fans, the critics, and the media. The combination of you all makes this crazy sport of hockey worth playing.

I'll never forget the feeling of coming out of the tunnel onto a fresh sheet of ice, with the potential to bring each and every one of you out of your seat with a good play, hit, fight, or goal. It was an honour to provide you some entertainment and let you escape from your day-to-day lives if even for just a few moments.

Finally, if I can offer any advice to parents of young hockey players out there; let them decide how much they want to play. I played multiple sports growing up - It was never just hockey. I played flag football, basketball, volleyball, competed in track and field, golf and competitive soccer. I truly believe I loved hockey as long as I did because I didn't burn out of it. If your kids are lucky enough for hockey to become a job that's great - But I promise they'll miss the days when it wasn't!

That's it. Thanks for reading and taking part in my Twitter retirement press conference.

I wish all of you the best and I look forward to enjoying this game from the stands again! See you around the rinks.

-PH

Happy retirement to Peter. He's a guy I was always surprised wasn't able to put together a longer NHL career. But glad he got to live out his dream of being a Leaf regardless.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Nik on March 16, 2022, 10:31:24 AM

Yup. Always thought he had skill, just didn't seem to be able to put it together. The ultimate sort of tweener.

Still, seems like a good guy and best of luck to him in retirement.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: L K on March 16, 2022, 10:49:16 AM
A guy like Holland is one of those guys where you wonder if he got a better opportunity whether he could have put it together.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: bustaheims on March 16, 2022, 10:55:06 AM
I'm still grumpy about how he was used here. He may not have become anything, but I don't think he ever got the sustained opportunity he needed to be able to show what he could do. He was always ill-suited for the 3rd/4th line role he had as a Leaf.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Frank E on March 24, 2022, 01:04:53 PM
https://twitter.com/douggilmour/status/1506830049793785859
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 24, 2022, 01:14:07 PM
You know... I'm just gonna say it... the alternative would have been losing to Montreal/Roy in the Finals and Canadiens fans are smug enough about their Cup history so them having that over our heads would have made them even more unbearable.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 06, 2022, 04:34:56 PM
https://twitter.com/CraigSMorgan/status/1511790330596626435
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on April 09, 2022, 01:51:30 PM
https://twitter.com/khlreplays/status/1512753481341415424
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bender on April 09, 2022, 05:04:52 PM
Quote from: herman on April 09, 2022, 01:51:30 PM
https://twitter.com/khlreplays/status/1512753481341415424
I don't know how I feel about this. It looks to me like a regular check by a bigger player on a smaller player, the issue being the smaller player had his head forward and so even a clean looking check can have the head as principal point of contact.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 02, 2022, 12:15:18 PM
https://twitter.com/SaraCivian/status/1532390364870582272

I know Gardiner wasn't the most popular Leaf during his time here but man what a rough go for him the past few years. Was almost completely injury free for most of his career (missed a total of 8 games in 5 NHL seasons before his last one with the Leafs). Final season here and he almost kind of out of nowhere started to have back issues late in the season that kept him out for some games and really hampered his play. He kept struggled with that back (and also hip) problem throughout his time in Carolina to the point where it kept him out of the entire 21/22 season.

He has 1-year left on his deal with a $4.05mil AAV. Hopefully he's able to get his career a little back on track.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on July 06, 2022, 02:21:13 PM
https://twitter.com/KevinWeekes/status/1544743212702732288
:'(
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Zee on July 06, 2022, 02:54:47 PM
Quote from: herman on July 06, 2022, 02:21:13 PM
https://twitter.com/KevinWeekes/status/1544743212702732288
:'(

Just heard about this, only 53...man this is tragic.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on August 02, 2022, 10:34:05 AM
https://twitter.com/MarkUkLeaf/status/1554462257152663553
Marlies reunion where the hills are alive
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Arn on September 02, 2022, 03:25:19 PM
Just tuned in to watch my Belfast Giants first game in the Champions Hockey League away to Ocleari Trinec of Czechia only to find Martin Marincin patrolling the blue line for the Czech side. He played about 40 minutes as well. Picked up an assist.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Arn on September 11, 2022, 03:32:15 PM
Quote from: Arn on September 02, 2022, 03:25:19 PM
Just tuned in to watch my Belfast Giants first game in the Champions Hockey League away to Ocleari Trinec of Czechia only to find Martin Marincin patrolling the blue line for the Czech side. He played about 40 minutes as well. Picked up an assist.

Here is a rare sighting of Marincin actually icing (number 21), taken in Belfast this evening!  ;D He lost.

(https://i.ibb.co/F7cJCVK/F0-AE4194-D8-F2-4912-9040-43-AD0178425-E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ryqMNsm)
(https://i.ibb.co/wKZZDwp/4-BFE20-F2-6043-43-F3-9591-161-F8-F873237.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LCDD4J9)
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on September 19, 2022, 05:20:45 PM
https://twitter.com/kurtisgabriel/status/1571940109611581442
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 22, 2022, 09:26:13 AM
https://twitter.com/LukeDeCock/status/1571946524787249152

Missed this the other day. Earlier in the summer it was reported that he was medically cleared and expected to play this upcoming season. Looks like something changed over the offseason. Guy can't catch a break.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bender on September 22, 2022, 09:48:50 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on September 22, 2022, 09:26:13 AM
https://twitter.com/LukeDeCock/status/1571946524787249152

Missed this the other day. Earlier in the summer it was reported that he was medically cleared and expected to play this upcoming season. Looks like something changed over the offseason. Guy can't catch a break.

You kind of wonder if his career is basically over at this point.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: cw on October 09, 2022, 10:16:44 PM
https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2022/10/waivers-10-09-22.html
ExLeafs on waivers today:
Nick Foligno
Nic Petan
Josh Leivo
Antoine Bibeau
Scott Sabourin
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: herman on October 14, 2022, 04:34:57 PM
https://twitter.com/WaltRuff/status/1581007430107901953
:(
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: Bender on October 14, 2022, 04:51:36 PM
Quote from: herman on October 14, 2022, 04:34:57 PMhttps://twitter.com/WaltRuff/status/1581007430107901953
:(

He needs to stop playing.
Title: Re: Minor Ex-Leaf News
Post by: cw on October 14, 2022, 08:30:04 PM
Quote from: Bender on October 14, 2022, 04:51:36 PM
Quote from: herman on October 14, 2022, 04:34:57 PMhttps://twitter.com/WaltRuff/status/1581007430107901953
:(

He needs to stop playing.

Ruff is a Canes team reporter so the report is likely to be accurate

Terrible news.