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Offline Significantly Insignificant

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2018 World Junior Allegations
« on: June 23, 2022, 08:06:04 PM »
I'm starting to think that there has to be something that I can do as an individual to express my displeasure with the way that Hockey Canada handled this situation.  What was alleged to have happen was a crime and people are supposed to pay for their crimes. I feel like there was no penalty here other than paying someone off to make the problem go away. 
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Re: 2018 World Junior Allegations
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2022, 07:00:13 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2022, 08:07:33 PM »

Can't imagine that anyone involved at Hockey Canada that knew about this should still be affiliated with the organization after this and, failing that, they should lose whatever authority they have within the sport to run the National programs.

I understand why there wouldn't be a prosecution if the victim didn't want to go to the police but even over and above the moral failings here, why admit a liability for the crimes of guys on the team by paying up?
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Re: 2018 World Junior Allegations
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2022, 11:26:08 PM »
https://www.tsn.ca/hockey-canada-reopening-investigation-into-alleged-2018-sexual-assault-1.1825393

Hockey Canada is not, apparently, committing to releasing their report publicly. The woman making the allegations is apparently co-operating and participation from the players in question will be mandatory.

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Re: 2018 World Junior Allegations
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2022, 09:21:07 AM »
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Re: 2018 World Junior Allegations
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2022, 10:29:22 AM »


the fact that they organized a business operation around covering it up instead of actively educating and setting appropriate standards of consequences is an indictment against hockey culture as a whole. They knew it was bad, and they put in extra work to hide it.
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Re: 2018 World Junior Allegations
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2022, 07:41:11 PM »
the fact that they organized a business operation around covering it up instead of actively educating and setting appropriate standards of consequences is an indictment against hockey culture as a whole. They knew it was bad, and they put in extra work to hide it.

I feel like that's a little misplaced. This is an indictment against "hockey culture" in large part because Hockey Canada has a lot to do with establishing hockey culture rather than the other way around. It's not an issue specific to them but I also wouldn't use this organization, which has for a long time seemed insular, self-interested and reactionary and use it to cast aspersions on the wider sport(even if those criticisms may be valid in places). There's time enough to look at the culture as a whole but right now I think the focus should be on these specific bad actors and the way we've let them run the sport.
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Re: 2018 World Junior Allegations
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2022, 09:45:17 AM »
I say this with respect and as a Yank living in a very shaky glass house but perhaps Canada should de-emphasize hockey as a pillar of its culture.

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Re: 2018 World Junior Allegations
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2022, 09:51:16 AM »
I feel like that's a little misplaced. This is an indictment against "hockey culture" in large part because Hockey Canada has a lot to do with establishing hockey culture rather than the other way around. It's not an issue specific to them but I also wouldn't use this organization, which has for a long time seemed insular, self-interested and reactionary and use it to cast aspersions on the wider sport(even if those criticisms may be valid in places). There's time enough to look at the culture as a whole but right now I think the focus should be on these specific bad actors and the way we've let them run the sport.

Fair enough. I was referring to the OHL and other junior/minor hockey level instances of abuse, which are indeed HC influenced. These things aren't just switches that flip one day but an accumulation of things implicitly condoned/encouraged within the culture.
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Re: 2018 World Junior Allegations
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2022, 02:38:11 PM »
So realistically what can we expect to be done with the players who were involved? Would a suspension from their NHL team be something that we see happen?

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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2022, 02:43:23 PM »
So realistically what can we expect to be done with the players who were involved? Would a suspension from their NHL team be something that we see happen?

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« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2022, 07:36:17 PM »
Fair enough. I was referring to the OHL and other junior/minor hockey level instances of abuse, which are indeed HC influenced. These things aren't just switches that flip one day but an accumulation of things implicitly condoned/encouraged within the culture.

I don't disagree with any of that but, like, if something comes out about the specific bad actions of, say, a giant corporation or a particular religious leader comes out then similarly I think there's a tendency to discuss it within the larger problems we might have with capitalism or organized religion that sort of obscures the specific bad actors and can discourage action because the problem can seem so insurmountable.

I realize it's a chicken/egg sort of thing as to whether hockey culture is part of why Hockey Canada is the way it is vs. Hockey Canada being a major part of hockey culture and to be sure I'm not saying we shouldn't have the larger scale discussion. Just that in a situation like this primarily it should be about the particular bad actors and what remedies we have. Which, for what it's worth, is how I think you start addressing the larger question of culture. Show that there are real and meaningful consequences for continuing to perpetuate it. 
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Re: 2018 World Junior Allegations
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2022, 08:44:02 PM »
That’s a great point. This incident should get its due attention. It is big enough (parliamentary attention) that it could really affect change to the system.

The list of anonymous perpetrators is getting shorter by the day.
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Re: 2018 World Junior Allegations
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2022, 07:17:33 AM »
I say this with respect and as a Yank living in a very shaky glass house but perhaps Canada should de-emphasize hockey as a pillar of its culture.

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I think it's a problem in society. Not just hockey. For some reason, when men are successful, and grouped together, they feel they are untouchable. As a sales manager for a large mining company, I've been exposed to many executives that feel the women around them are their play toys. Coming out of pandemic, the trade shows were in full swing this summer and it was like watching hungry predators being let out of their cages. It was disgusting and upsetting.

Hockey brings together these same narcissistic, arrogant personalities that have been told for so long that they are the best. They feel that they can do what ever they'd like. I've been in these dressing rooms with these future and former professional players. I can't say that I ever want to be again.

Hockey has so much good to offer our children and community. It's really disheartening when the organization that basically controls the program across the country ignores moral code and decides that a cover up is more important than growth and education.