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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Reilly To The Wing
June 12, 2024, 08:31:21 AM
Quote from: Dappleganger on June 12, 2024, 08:15:28 AM
Quote from: Joe on June 12, 2024, 07:20:28 AM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 11, 2024, 10:44:16 PMEverybody laughs at these ideas

Because it's never happened. The only example I can think of that has happened over the last 50 years is Byfuglien, and even then he ended up going back to defence.

It's just such a dumb discussion point because it just never, ever happens. No NHL player has gone 11 years into their career and then will just switch positions. I'm sorry to be harsh but this is just a stupid topic.

Brent Burns went from D to Forward back to D as well.

Wasn't Burns a forward in junior?
Quote from: cw on June 06, 2024, 04:20:45 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on June 06, 2024, 03:53:53 PM
Quote from: herman on June 06, 2024, 01:32:51 PMThe dispute isn't whether Marner is a bad player or not (he's very good), but it's a) the unbalanced allocation of finite resources, b) playstyle when it counts the most, and c) future value. On all three counts, there is a significant argument that retaining the premium talent of Mitch Marner at his demanded price will be detrimental to playoff success going forward.

This isn't the Leafs throwing away homegrown skill while the roster is bereft of skill. There is still a very strong core in Matthews, Nylander, Knies, Rielly (sort of), and Woll (injury concerns aside) that we would ideally like to add a centre and another defenseman to. The re-balancing should've been taken care of last offseason.

But why aren't we talking about trading Tavares instead?

Panarin's playstyle seems to be doing just fine in the playoffs. No way he's getting the heat Marner is.

My biggest complaint with Keefe -- whom I generally liked -- is that there was too much reacting to the other team and not enough playing to strengths, forcing the other team to react.

With Nylander & Matthews hurt/hurting, Keefe put Tavares and Marner on Pastrnak's line to check him. They did a decent job. But with 2/3rd of their starts in the d-zone and Nylander-Matthews hurt, the core 4 were compromised in terms of scoring. I haven't seen that mentioned much in the crucify Marner articles.

That is on Keefe but he did get them to game 7 OT against a better team so it is hard to be too wildly critical. I'm sure he had his reasons.

Thank you for the interesting conversation, gentlemen.

I think it just comes down to, for the Leafs, the obvious issue of too many eggs in one basket when it comes to the more physical end of season/playoff hockey.  Those successful in this tournament have a combination of depth and luckiness/unluckiness of attrition at this time of year.
Toronto Blue Jays / Re: 2024 Blue Jays
June 05, 2024, 04:02:15 PM
Quote from: Bender on June 05, 2024, 09:29:06 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on June 05, 2024, 09:12:01 AMSchneider, Atkins, and Shapiro all need to go. They're responsible for the main facets of this mess - the flawed roster and the poor in-game decisions - and I don't trust them to be part of the solution.

The fact that Schneider is still here is baffling.

I think Schneider is a puppet.  I don't think this is on him...this is on Shapiro and Atkins.
Toronto Blue Jays / Re: 2024 Blue Jays
June 04, 2024, 07:15:04 AM
Surprised to read that the Jays are 10th in league attendance:   https://www.espn.com/mlb/attendance
Toronto Blue Jays / Re: 2024 Blue Jays
June 04, 2024, 06:30:34 AM
Quote from: Joe on June 03, 2024, 09:29:19 PMI just got back from the jays game - you know I don't care that they aren't a good team, what makes this depressing is how boooooooooring they are.

I can always find something fun to follow even on a bad jays team, somebody having a good season, chasing a record, whatever, but this team is just a pack of mediocre players have sub mediocre seasons.

And they're not a bunch of kids that are getting better...there really isn't much reason to watch.

Like Arn, I'd watch...I'd put the games on my laptop and hear it in the background...I don't even do that these days.

McDavid wills his way to a Cup, then can say he delivered when signing with the Leafs after the 25 season.

EDIT:  Wondering what Draisaitl does...he's up after the coming season?
Quote from: Deebo on May 31, 2024, 01:32:55 PM
Quote from: herman on May 31, 2024, 10:33:32 AMNot sure how to get a real 3C without overspending (at 2C to push Tavares to 3C) or trade. Domi is not my first choice.

How about Sean Monahan?

26G 33A 59P

That might require overspending.

I'm sure he's looking for term, but I'm wondering if the market on Monahan is still short term obviously because of the injury history?
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 31, 2024, 11:03:08 AM
Quote from: herman on May 31, 2024, 10:33:32 AMNot sure how to get a real 3C without overspending (at 2C to push Tavares to 3C) or trade. Domi is not my first choice.

I wondered about something like Jean-Gabriel Pageau @ 50% retained or close to it. Apparently the Islanders are open to moving him for cap relief.

Can you cobble something together until something shakes loose during the regular season?

I don't think they'll be able to solve all of this this summer, right?
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 29, 2024, 01:34:52 PM
Quote from: princedpw on May 29, 2024, 01:26:19 PMI feel Knies underperformed quite a bit relative to expectations and to his position in the lineup along the side our top offensive players for most of the year.  Compare Knies 15 goals in 80 games to 15/14 goals for McMann/Robertson in just 56 games each, many of which were with lesser linemates.  Knies defense was also not one of his strengths.

I am unsure what the expected improvement curve for a guy his age with his experience is, but lets hope it is steep.

He was thrown on the top line too quickly after the Bertuzzi experiment initially failed and I don't think he was quite ready for it. He wasn't a complete fish out of water but you could tell he was just a little bit off from being able to a) play with Matthews+Marner/Nylander and b) play against top competition.

But I also think he showed enough flashes to show why he'll be a great fit there down the line, and of course in playoffs showed that could happen sooner than later.

I know it's been said, but Knies looked like a different player in the playoffs...one of the few Leafs that really stepped up.  He wasn't great during the season, but he sure showed up in the playoffs.

I hope he can play with that same intensity during the season next year.
Quote from: Bender on May 28, 2024, 11:35:55 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 28, 2024, 10:39:34 AMI'm a little numb to whatever happens with Marner at this point tbh. The options are basically:

1) Trade him now for a somewhat similarly high-end player in the league
2) Trade him now in more of a 4 quarters for a dollar type trade to boost the teams depth, futures, and cap space
3) Let him play out 24/25 under Berube and re-sign him to as fair a contract as possible depending on how well he performs
4) Let him play out 24/25 under Berube and let him walk either due to his performance (or lack of) or simply because the two sides can't come to reasonable terms

I don't think any of them would be catastrophically bad for the Leafs. They all have their pro's and con's, some surely a little more or less than others, but a good team/organization/GM should still be able to make the most out of any of them.

I don't see how letting him walk for nothing wouldn't be somewhat catastrophic from an asset management standpoint.

I think an argument could be made that the cap space freed up by Marner walking could be a valuable asset as well.
Quote from: Guilt Trip on May 22, 2024, 06:32:30 PM
Quote from: Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington on May 22, 2024, 05:43:44 PMI agree that I can only see Marner headed for free agency. About the only leverage the Leafs have is being able to give him an 8 year deal in either keeping him or sign and trade, but I reckon he will go the Matthews route of shorter term and sign for 3-4 years on the open market at a rate the Leafs won't match and then a big big contract aged 30-31. So that leverage won't apply.

Wonder if this could turn ugly at games this season if/when he refuses to waive. He's already a target on social media. That's bound to transfer into the arena too at some point.
Only way 16 doesn't get an 8 year deal is if he doesn't want to sign one or goes the UFA route. He has to be on the signing team's roster by the deadline to qualify for an 8 year deal.

If the Leafs ask him to waive he won't be coming back here if he goes to UFA.

I think you need to put yourself in Marner's camp for a second...this is a way to get him an 8 year deal and leave with dignity...he's from here.  He's not going to poison this well.  And the Leafs have leverage.
Good for him...I didn't find Keefe to be dislikable...just maybe slow at the wheel.
Quote from: Deebo on May 21, 2024, 10:47:51 AM
Quote from: Deebo on May 21, 2024, 08:13:19 AMIts kind of ridiculous the cap is only going up to 87.7M

The PA deficit from the Covid year is reportedly paid off and league revenues were reported as high 6.43B in 2022/23.

Even using a conservative 6.0B as the revenue number, 350M in estimated player benefits (the CBA uses 100M on 3.8B of revenue as their estimate), and no escalator, it results in a midpoint of 88.3M and a cap of 101.5M.

I kind of understand not wanting to increase it too much at once, but its only increasing 4.2M this off season. It went up more than that when the cap was under 70M

I was reading the MOU from 2020 and there is 5% limit to the yearly cap increase, which would be that cap of 87.7M

But there is a provision for when it is anticiapted that in the upcoming season the total paid to the players won't end up being 50% of that seasons league revenues, the PA and league can agree to increase the cap by up to an additional 5%. The PA and must league agree to any increase by June 15th.

If there is an agreement, the cap could go as high as 91.85M next season.

This is all interesting, Deebo...what impacts would this have on the escrow?