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Quote from: CarltonTheBear on July 01, 2024, 11:51:49 AMSo after a flurry of moves the Leafs sit at something like:


The decision to trade Matthews for Alex Nylander was a controversial one but I liked it.
Terrible signing. The Leafs need playoff success and there's no evidence OEL can be a contributing guy on a winning team in the postseason.
Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: 2024 Draft Discussion
June 29, 2024, 11:52:31 AM
Quote from: Highlander on June 29, 2024, 11:51:11 AM
Quote from: Rob on June 29, 2024, 11:41:23 AMIt's starting to dawn on me that the Leafs might be a hot mess. 
Danforth is a good pick, maybe very good, his coach says he plays like Tanev but with more upside offensively

Junior coaches will always talk up their guys.
Quote from: bustaheims on June 25, 2024, 03:15:13 PMDatsyuk has a great rep and some hardware, but his career numbers don't scream HHoF - though, some decent international totals that put him over the top. I'm not sure he should have been a first-ballot guy, but it's a weak class this year and he is a guy that belongs in the Hall.

I think Datsyuk is a good example of guys who are a reflection of how the way we think about "HOF numbers" are probably going to change after the muted offensive years we saw during his career. We all grew up with the 1000 points and roughly ppg standards and it resulted in the overrepresentation of the high scoring 80's and 90's guys.

Datsyuk, though, I think was consistently a top 10 guy in the league for the better part of a decade. Throw in the cups and I think he's not just above a minimum threshold but easily towards the upper echelon of the Hall's standards.
Man it feels good to be able to say this:

Eat it, Oilers.
Quote from: bustaheims on June 25, 2024, 10:14:01 AM
Quote from: L K on June 25, 2024, 09:36:15 AMI guess my only question is why even bother with it.  Merulo has been yet another in a sequential line of terrible owners in Arizona.  He was clearly not pulling his weight in terms of making the franchise viable.  Fans outside Arizona were sick of his nonsense.  Fans of Arizona hate him.  Why even make a token story.  It seems reasonable to just say "the NHL will be back" and leave it at that.

My guess is that it was to appease Merulo and help expedite and help ensure a relatively smooth transition with the relocation. Throw him an essentially meaningless bone to keep any potential nonsense he could have tried to a minimum.

Also the league can now credibly say something to the effect of "We wanted to come back to Arizona but it was Merulo who walked away". I don't think it would appease many people in Arizona but if you ever had any sort of legal issues with fans/local politicians it's a reasonable way to pass the buck.
Roenick's an interesting one as I'm not sure why his argument got any better after all these years. I don't really know what Roenick over Mogilny really says about their criteria other than I guess they're inclined to like a C over a winger the same way a GM might?

I think Datsyk and Weber are pretty easy choices though.
Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: 2024 Draft Discussion
June 25, 2024, 02:59:02 PM

From my highly technial "just take a OHL C who can score" scouting program, I'd like to see Luchanko or Beaudoin. Connelly or Hage would be acceptable secondary targets.
General NHL News & Views / Re: 2023-24 NHL Thread
April 18, 2024, 11:31:20 AM
Quote from: Dappleganger on April 18, 2024, 09:52:55 AMIf you watch the video below, 16:50 to 23:45, it addresses the infrastructure and some parameters of the proposed deal:

If you never had politicians who weren't willing to do the work of the billionaires and try to sell people on the economic benefits of arenas(which there's near unanimous consensus on from actual economists who study the issue are wildly inflated and don't measure up to nearly any other use of public funds) then these things would never get built. What they ran into here was that the people of Glendale heard these same arguments, bought into them and then watched as their city was hit by an utter catastrophe by thinking a sports team was going to be a meaningful economic driver for them so it's no surprise the people of Tempe saw all that and decided to pass.

Then, the projects get built and the politicians pat themselves on the back and point to the bright shiny building when they're running for another office and are nowhere to be found 5 or 10 years later when the economic benefits they promise don't materialize and the owners are already demanding more money. Look at what Phoenix recently, and is still, going through with the Diamondbacks making threats about moving with a not yet even 20 year old stadium.
General NHL News & Views / Re: 2023-24 NHL Thread
April 17, 2024, 11:37:33 PM
Quote from: Dappleganger on April 13, 2024, 02:20:42 PMhttps://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/philboas/2023/05/17/why-tempe-vote-arizona-coyotes-failed-miserably/70227759007/

This was the beginning of the end. Less than a year later the team is moving to Utah. The Tempe site and proposal was great in my opinion and was going to be funded entirely with private money. Citizens voted no.

Leaving aside that this "private money" included the city spending 200 million on infrastructure upgrades to accommodate the building and 700 million in tax relief there was still the reality that this group, whose financing was always dubious, wanted the city on the hook for a pretty significant portion of the debt they'd be taking on in order to build the "entertainment district". If the project fell apart, the city would be on the hook for hundreds of millions of dollars. These projects always, after independent analysis, are found to exaggerate the economic benefits.

I mean, think of it this way, if this project was this entirely privately funded enterprise which made a ton of economic sense without risk or cost to the city...why involve the city at all? Why not just build the thing?
General NHL News & Views / Re: 2023-24 NHL Thread
April 17, 2024, 11:27:34 PM
Quote from: Highlander on April 13, 2024, 12:51:29 PMI know a lot of people on this board wanted this move. I invested a lot of income over the years going to see the Leafs and other teams play the Yotes.  I had some really good times and am sad to see the franchise go.  I don't think the ownership group was paying there bills. Pity, as another group may have secured the Loop site and it would have worked there.  Salt Lake is one weird place

I don't think this is an entirely fair reading of the situation. The only reason anyone "wanted" this move is because the League trying to stay in Arizona moved past plan B or C and we're on Plan V at this point, a plan that has involved the team playing in a college arena the last few years. The only reason this ownership group owned the team in the first place is because the league had exhausted every single potential alternative. If "another group" had been capable of getting anything done arena-wise they would have owned the team.

This is a bad situation that has been going on so long that at one point it prominently involved an ownership bid from someone who made their money from Blackberries being the hot new tech. The league fought tooth and nail to keep the team put at the cost of millions of dollars.

I don't think anyone has, or ever really had, any actual bad feelings towards the Coyotes but at some point you just have to call the fight.
General NHL News & Views / Re: 2023-24 NHL Thread
February 27, 2024, 07:51:56 PM

"Just put that struggling sun belt team into a small Canadian city! They'll sell out every game!"

Quote from: Joe on February 13, 2024, 02:33:52 PMShouldn't that be the job of the development layers of the organization and not the major league? It always confused me why, for example, a goalie who has made it all the way to the nhl now all of a sudden needs a goalie coach and to be 'developed'. You've gone through coaches and development your whole life to make it to this level, and now you need to learn a new way of being a goalie?

I get the concept of refinement, but development at the major league level seems a little odd to me.

I don't think it's a binary either/or kind of thing. A player in the NHL's skill development isn't going to be the responsibility of the NHL coaching staff but using him in the right situations to foster development, the mental/motivational aspect of coaching and addressing challenges that come up as players need to make adjustments are sort of in that realm.
Quote from: Chris on February 12, 2024, 01:30:06 PMOK, how about "potentially more dangerous" or "potentially very dangerous" or "more likely to cause serious injury." Pick whatever language suits you, but there are good reasons why there are rules in place against certain types of hits (hits from behind, boarding, spearing etc). The fact that Grieg doesn't appear to have been injured should be factored in, but the high cross-check certainly had more potential to cause serious injury than the typical body check.

I wasn't trying to get into semantics here. I was just making the point that any kind of hit has the potential to be all manner of dangerous based on things outside of the hitter's control. I think the fact that Greig didn't get seriously hurt suggests that while it may have looked bad, I don't think Rielly really intended to hurt him even in the sort of fog of war that you can attribute to pretty clear cases of intent to injure. Obviously the NHL has rules against cross checking for good reason but I think we can all tell the difference between the really bad examples and the less bad examples and I was just saying that I thought this was the latter.