I'd do that trade...although I would wonder what kind of number Hellebyuck is looking for in his next contract.

It'll probably be less then Nylander

More Marner Trade ideas for funsies
To Anaheim: Mitch Marner, Max Hollowell
To Toronto: 2023 1st rd pick (2nd OA), Mason McTavish, Troy Terry/Jamie Drysdale

Canadian Threeway:

To Winnipeg: Mitch Marner, Matt Murray, Christian Dvorak
To Montreal: Pierre Luc Dubois, William Villenueve
To Toronto: Nik Ehlers, Connor Hellebyuck, Owen Beck

Anaheim trade...definitely.

For a player with a big question mark as far as elevating his game in the playoffs why do we have to pay him more than McD or MacK?

Because that is how finances work in sports.  Look at the NFL.  There is no better QB in the game than Mahomes, but every year, the QB that is up for renewal makes more, because inflation exists.

It's not about whose better when it gets to the financial situation.  This is their job.  I could see a comment from Matthews like "Hey you have to pay me more because I have to put up with unknown people saying derogatory things about me and questioning my desire to play this game on a nightly basis". 

Yup he has to raise the bar to keep the NHLPA happy as well. MacKinnon isn't worth more then McD but he's an elite forward and needed to go above him.

Any judgement call late in a close game that would result in a mandatory penalty shot will simply result in the bar raised even higher than it is now.

Yup, they wouldn't call anything.

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2023/05/26/evaluating-brad-trelivings-candidacy-for-maple-leafs-gm/
At least he has the same glasses

Good article. Thanks for sharing.

I don't know if I came away from that feeling better about Treliving as a candidate or worse though. Lol.

Worse foe me but that goes for whoever is out there. I think they let the best guy go.

I don't care who; just sign Marner to an 8-year contract please.

You means Matthews? Marner isn't eligible until July 1 2024.

Dallas will go to game 5.

I still would like to see penalties matter late in a game.  If you take a delay of game or crosschecking penalty with 40 seconds left in a 1 goal game, there is potentially incentive to take a late penalty to kill momentum and not leave enough time to get the PP set up.  If there is PK time left on the clock in a 1 or 2 goal game I'd like to see the PP carry over for the full amount.

Carry over to where? You talking about extending the game until the penalty would expire?

https://theathletic.com/4549473/2023/05/25/maple-leafs-kyle-dubas-3/

Shanahan went from wanting to bring Dubas back to firing him in a matter of days. And then offered his version of events in a press conference that left people inside the organization confused and upset.

Jason Spezza resigned before that press conference even began. The popular former Leaf who retired into a role with the front office after the 2021-22 season has declined to address the matter any further than that. That was intentional. Spezza wanted his actions to do the talking.

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After a 19-year playing career in the NHL, in which he earned an estimated $90 million, according to CapFriendly, Spezza could afford to walk away. Others who felt the same, who were inclined to follow their leader out the door, couldn't given they lacked that same sense of financial security.

It's security they have because of Dubas.

Though he wasn't offered an extension himself, not until after the trade deadline, Dubas fought to extend staff members who entered last season with expiring contracts. He got them extended with one, two, and three-year deals.

At least one staff member was inclined to ride things out with Dubas for an uncertain year. Dubas insisted — take the security, protect your family.

"Don't worry about me," he told his people. "I'll be OK."

Sounds like a pretty amazing boss. There are so many stories of what an absolute amazing human being Dubas is and how he treated everyone. We don't get the behind the scenes look but I'll always remember Dubas for 2 things. Staying with Mikheyev in Jersey and him running down the stairs on the phone when Tavares got hurt. The guy cares for people. The Leafs lost a great person.

I think this is part of why losing him sucked so much.  He's a nice guy and I really like the setup of our front office over this.  Contrast that to the team that gets Bedard this year (or our organization under Ballard) and it was just nice not having to worry about our front office doing something stupid.

When Fletcher had his melt-down over the Muskoka 5 and was disrespecting Mats it really ticked me off.  Dubas standing by our players through their playoff struggles mattered to me from a GM perspective.  I hope whoever replaces him can at least keep some of those elements in place.

Couldn't agree more. I really hated how they treated Mats at the end. Guy played his heart out for the Leafs and then because he wouldn't waive his no trade they didn't treat him so nice.

https://theathletic.com/4549473/2023/05/25/maple-leafs-kyle-dubas-3/

Shanahan went from wanting to bring Dubas back to firing him in a matter of days. And then offered his version of events in a press conference that left people inside the organization confused and upset.

Jason Spezza resigned before that press conference even began. The popular former Leaf who retired into a role with the front office after the 2021-22 season has declined to address the matter any further than that. That was intentional. Spezza wanted his actions to do the talking.

[...]

After a 19-year playing career in the NHL, in which he earned an estimated $90 million, according to CapFriendly, Spezza could afford to walk away. Others who felt the same, who were inclined to follow their leader out the door, couldn't given they lacked that same sense of financial security.

It's security they have because of Dubas.

Though he wasn't offered an extension himself, not until after the trade deadline, Dubas fought to extend staff members who entered last season with expiring contracts. He got them extended with one, two, and three-year deals.

At least one staff member was inclined to ride things out with Dubas for an uncertain year. Dubas insisted — take the security, protect your family.

"Don't worry about me," he told his people. "I'll be OK."

Sounds like a pretty amazing boss. There are so many stories of what an absolute amazing human being Dubas is and how he treated everyone. We don't get the behind the scenes look but I'll always remember Dubas for 2 things. Staying with Mikheyev in Jersey and him running down the stairs on the phone when Tavares got hurt. The guy cares for people. The Leafs lost a great person.

I think they need to put their signatures where their mouths are before July 1 or move them.

Can't sign before July 1st.

Interesting read....

https://thehockeynews.com/news/opinion-maple-leafs-parting-with-kyle-dubas-rings-alarm-bells

There's no two ways about it, the odds of Matthews (and Nylander) extending their contracts this summer decreased with the Dubas firing.

Definitely and Spezza leaving also adds to it. Does anyone not think Matthews and others will be talking with Spezza and Dubas to see what went on? I know I would be.

The players have all the leverage here and considering we couldn't sell them on reasonable rates with Dubas when Dubas had all the leverage then I really don't see a difference.

Not to re-hash all of the old talk of their contracts but I think Dubas did get pretty reasonable rates on those first deals but, regardless, things and people change. You're negotiating now with guys who have earned many millions of dollars. You're negotiating with guys who might be looking to settle down more. You're also negotiating with guys who've seen some of the results of a team being top-heavy salary wise. There's really no way to know how any of these guys might be going into the negotiations.

And now they're going into a situation where instead of negotiating with someone they might like and trust, who's got one of their old teammates around as an advocate, you might have someone they don't know and who might want to get rid of some of them.

The new guy may be negotiating with players that have suddenly noticed the grass on the other side of the fence is looking pretty darn green.

I think dumping Lou before those post-ELC deals was, despite all his failings, a mistake; one possible advantage the team could've had in those negotiations was putting an intimidating HoFer across the table from their agents.

It will be something if another poorly timed GM dismissal has more dire consequences. 

Lou has plenty of bad contracts so that is way over blown as to his effect.

Not giving autonomy to the future GM is going to cost us chances at the very best candidates. And I mean, it already has.

I agree, but already has meaning Dubas? It'll be hard to see a power struggle like this if Lou was in charge. I think the team needs an experienced GM who they feel like they don't have to watch so closely.

Which reads to me like, Shanahan kept the guy that wasn't a threat to him, until he became one.

Agreed.

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