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Title: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on April 08, 2019, 12:00:19 PM
https://twitter.com/FlaPanthers/status/1115222786300096513
Title: Re: Coaching changes around the league
Post by: herman on April 08, 2019, 01:59:15 PM
https://twitter.com/eduhatschek/status/1115308005342343168

So you're saying DJ Smith to Edmonton...
Title: Re: Coaching changes around the league
Post by: cabber24 on April 08, 2019, 02:14:27 PM
Quote from: herman on April 08, 2019, 01:59:15 PM
https://twitter.com/eduhatschek/status/1115308005342343168

So you're saying DJ Smith to Edmonton...
I thought Eichel was going to be a player/coach?
Title: Re: Coaching changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 08, 2019, 02:26:11 PM
Quote from: herman on April 08, 2019, 01:59:15 PM
https://twitter.com/eduhatschek/status/1115308005342343168

So you're saying DJ Smith to Edmonton...

https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/1115317579453620224

Oh, please, please have another head coach spurn the Sabres for another team.
Title: Re: Coaching changes around the league
Post by: Zee on April 08, 2019, 03:00:52 PM
Why doesn't Buffalo wait until we fire Babcock?  They wanted him before.
Title: Re: Coaching changes around the league
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 08, 2019, 03:09:46 PM
Quote from: Zee on April 08, 2019, 03:00:52 PM
Why doesn't Buffalo wait until we fire Babcock?  They wanted him before.
Haha, good one!
Title: Re: Coaching changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 10, 2019, 09:15:43 AM
https://twitter.com/DennisTFP/status/1115965659299622913

lmao poor Harrington it's gonna cost quite a bit of money to trek over to LA for that press conference.
Title: Re: Coaching changes around the league
Post by: herman on April 10, 2019, 09:24:51 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/XS5LK.gif)
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on April 10, 2019, 12:22:17 PM
https://twitter.com/edmontonjournal/status/1115965739838656512

This thread is for dunks.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on April 10, 2019, 12:40:06 PM
https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1116013121364267013

I don't know why there is a sweepstakes for Todd McLellan, but there is a sweepstakes for Todd McLellan. Oh I know, driving up the price.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Bender on April 10, 2019, 06:16:23 PM
Quote from: herman on April 10, 2019, 12:40:06 PM
https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1116013121364267013

I don't know why there is a sweepstakes for Todd McLellan, but there is a sweepstakes for Todd McLellan. Oh I know, driving up the price.
As much as Buffalo has still some emerging talent and LA has declined I would still rather pick LA.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 11, 2019, 09:56:44 AM
https://twitter.com/petbugs13/status/1116336255090876417

He was Pheffer'd.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on April 13, 2019, 12:07:21 AM
https://twitter.com/tsnbobmckenzie/status/1116769912192675840

I'm going to dump you first before you can reject me for asking you out.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 13, 2019, 12:43:39 AM
I'd pick LA over Buffalo too.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on April 13, 2019, 12:19:30 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on April 13, 2019, 12:43:39 AM
I'd pick LA over Buffalo too.


Yup. If both teams stink where would you rather live?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: OldTimeHockey on April 13, 2019, 12:24:05 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 11, 2019, 09:56:44 AM
https://twitter.com/petbugs13/status/1116336255090876417



Hopefully Brunette lands on his feet. I grew up playing with his brother. Andrew was a very underrated goal scorer(I'll be it, a poor skater).
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on April 15, 2019, 03:43:02 PM
https://twitter.com/NHLFlyers/status/1117872878740037639

(https://media.giphy.com/media/65os7odbIW6pa/giphy.gif)

Like zero effort to get Memorial Cup champion coach DJ Smith smh.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on April 18, 2019, 01:09:25 PM
Guess who totally used the Buffalo as leverage to get paid more where he actually wanted to go...
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Hobbes on April 19, 2019, 07:53:22 AM
No surprise here: Stevie Y to take over from Holland.

https://www.tsn.ca/detroit-red-wings-to-name-steve-yzerman-general-manager-1.1293157
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Al14 on April 22, 2019, 08:41:31 PM
Quote from: Hobbes on April 19, 2019, 07:53:22 AM
No surprise here: Stevie Y to take over from Holland.

https://www.tsn.ca/detroit-red-wings-to-name-steve-yzerman-general-manager-1.1293157
Exactly, no surprise at all.  As soon as he stepped down with the Lightning, it was a fait accompli he'd be back in Detroit.   ::)

Did he have advanced notice that his Lightening would be out in the 1st round?   :-\
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Bullfrog on April 23, 2019, 08:27:51 AM
Yzerman stepped down as GM of the Lightning right at the beginning of the season. He was just waiting for the final year of his contract to end. His deal with Detroit has probably been in place for weeks or months.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on April 27, 2019, 10:24:06 PM
https://twitter.com/pierrevlebrun/status/1122321619811069952
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 27, 2019, 10:32:17 PM
Quote from: herman on April 27, 2019, 10:24:06 PM
https://twitter.com/pierrevlebrun/status/1122321619811069952
I'm doubting the Leafs will block it this year. Apparently they blocked it last year when a team asked.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 27, 2019, 10:42:32 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on April 27, 2019, 10:32:17 PM
Quote from: herman on April 27, 2019, 10:24:06 PM
https://twitter.com/pierrevlebrun/status/1122321619811069952
I'm doubting the Leafs will block it this year. Apparently they blocked it last year when a team asked.

He originally signed a 4-year deal, so unless he signed an extension that we never heard about then his deal expires this summer.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 27, 2019, 11:50:57 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 27, 2019, 10:42:32 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on April 27, 2019, 10:32:17 PM
Quote from: herman on April 27, 2019, 10:24:06 PM
https://twitter.com/pierrevlebrun/status/1122321619811069952
I'm doubting the Leafs will block it this year. Apparently they blocked it last year when a team asked.

He originally signed a 4-year deal, so unless he signed an extension that we never heard about then his deal expires this summer.
I never heard of them extending him. I have a feeling he might be done anyway.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on April 28, 2019, 07:21:36 AM
I kind of hope the Leafs take a swing at Ralph Krueger (Team Europe, Swiss National Team, 2014 Team Canada assistant, 2013 Edmonton). Even though he's sort of pretty committed to running the Southampton football club, he has said the right NHL fit could lure him back. He has a fan in Babcock and believes in coaching a style that fits the players on the roster and would be a good, amenable balancing voice for Babcock to work with.

Edit: correction, Krueger has left his position at Southampton FC earlier this month. Might not be interested in the coaching grind either.

https://theathletic.com/900010/2019/04/01/lebrun-ralph-krueger-would-consider-a-return-to-the-nhl-but-most-likely-not-as-a-coach/
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on April 30, 2019, 04:55:59 PM
https://twitter.com/fr_aquilini/status/1123310744085286914
Haha is this even necessary to tweet? Did Gillis personally hurt him?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 30, 2019, 05:03:10 PM
He did the same thing with Lombardi too earlier. I think he's dunking on the media who are reporting things like this, not Gillis.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 01, 2019, 10:07:17 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 27, 2019, 10:42:32 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on April 27, 2019, 10:32:17 PM
Quote from: herman on April 27, 2019, 10:24:06 PM
https://twitter.com/pierrevlebrun/status/1122321619811069952
I'm doubting the Leafs will block it this year. Apparently they blocked it last year when a team asked.

He originally signed a 4-year deal, so unless he signed an extension that we never heard about then his deal expires this summer.

31 Thoughts (https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-penguins-big-decisions-include-malkin/)
Quote11. OK, Toronto. The No. 1 thing the Maple Leafs are going to work on: eliminate the drama. In that market, it is unavoidable, but you can't pour gasoline on the fire. Much of that will be eased by the necessary roster decisions, since contracts are at the heart of so many public and private debates.

The coach and GM have to figure out if their differing philosophies allow them to continue together. If Buffalo (or anyone else) comes calling for Keefe, does that force Toronto to make a decision? There's speculation the Maple Leafs would add Keefe as an assistant if they lost Smith or Jim Hiller, but that's like playing with nitroglycerine and hoping it doesn't explode. (Hiller has another year under contract, but there are a few teams interested). My personal belief was that Mike Babcock returns for next season, but now I'm not sure. Let's just say, for argument's sake, that Buffalo asks to speak to him. What happens then?

So Hiller has one more year and Smith is expiring this July?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 02, 2019, 11:03:18 AM
https://twitter.com/tsnbobmckenzie/status/1123965353904701441

Smart
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 02, 2019, 11:05:20 AM
Quote from: herman on May 02, 2019, 11:03:18 AM
https://twitter.com/tsnbobmckenzie/status/1123965353904701441

Smart

Wonder if that's connected at all to this (from 31 Thoughts (https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-penguins-big-decisions-include-malkin/)):

QuoteAs I write this, Vegas has not yet granted official permission for Edmonton to meet with McCrimmon, although an answer is expected at some point this week. He is, however, expected to ask for autonomy, and it will be interesting to see how the Oilers respond to that.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 02, 2019, 11:29:41 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 02, 2019, 11:05:20 AM
Quote from: herman on May 02, 2019, 11:03:18 AM
https://twitter.com/tsnbobmckenzie/status/1123965353904701441

Smart

Wonder if that's connected at all to this (from 31 Thoughts (https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-penguins-big-decisions-include-malkin/)):

QuoteAs I write this, Vegas has not yet granted official permission for Edmonton to meet with McCrimmon, although an answer is expected at some point this week. He is, however, expected to ask for autonomy, and it will be interesting to see how the Oilers respond to that.

Seattle or bust
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 02, 2019, 12:05:27 PM
Quote from: herman on May 02, 2019, 11:29:41 AM
Seattle or bust

or this:

https://twitter.com/GoldenKnights/status/1123980916634923008
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 02, 2019, 12:17:57 PM
Well, that's the better move.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: L K on May 02, 2019, 12:29:38 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 02, 2019, 11:05:20 AM
Quote from: herman on May 02, 2019, 11:03:18 AM
https://twitter.com/tsnbobmckenzie/status/1123965353904701441

Smart

Wonder if that's connected at all to this (from 31 Thoughts (https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-penguins-big-decisions-include-malkin/)):

QuoteAs I write this, Vegas has not yet granted official permission for Edmonton to meet with McCrimmon, although an answer is expected at some point this week. He is, however, expected to ask for autonomy, and it will be interesting to see how the Oilers respond to that.

I'm going to enjoy how the Oilers will bring in an "outside guy" but still have their buffoons running interference with bad decisions from above.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Peter D. on May 02, 2019, 02:39:00 PM
You should have people tripping over themselves at the chance of getting their hands on a team in which they could build around the best player in the world.  Yet they want to have their hands in the mix.  Idiots.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 02, 2019, 04:51:47 PM
https://twitter.com/TSNRyanRishaug/status/1124052919345721351

I honestly don't know which one of these would be funnier to me.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Deebo on May 02, 2019, 05:30:02 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 02, 2019, 04:51:47 PM
https://twitter.com/TSNRyanRishaug/status/1124052919345721351

I honestly don't know which one of these would be funnier to me.

Gretzky, definitely Gretzky.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on May 02, 2019, 06:03:58 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 02, 2019, 04:51:47 PM
https://twitter.com/TSNRyanRishaug/status/1124052919345721351

I honestly don't know which one of these would be funnier to me.
I'm pulling for Mark Hunter he might want Korshkov and will trade Puljujarvi to the Leafs or something
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 02, 2019, 06:21:29 PM
https://twitter.com/nhlbymatty/status/1124051330027458561

This is deliciously sad.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 03, 2019, 04:13:36 PM
https://twitter.com/NHLbyMatty/status/1124392024986259457

It's almost like every single day Jim Matheson posts something even dumber about the Oilers GM situation. It's truly an amazing thing to experience. I hope they don't name someone until September.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on May 03, 2019, 04:16:26 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 03, 2019, 04:13:36 PM
https://twitter.com/NHLbyMatty/status/1124392024986259457

It's almost like every single day Jim Matheson posts something even dumber about the Oilers GM situation. It's truly an amazing thing to experience. I hope they don't name someone until September.

Oilers need to take a page out of the Leafs playbook.  Hire a former NHL player who has no ties to their team to be team president (Leafs did with Shanahan) then he goes out and decides who the GM should be.  I propose Tie Domi to be Oilers president.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 04, 2019, 09:57:03 PM
https://twitter.com/downgoesbrown/status/1124849636152311811

This is a good roast.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 05, 2019, 10:20:16 AM
https://twitter.com/TSNRyanRishaug/status/1125040188994899969
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 05, 2019, 12:00:30 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 05, 2019, 10:20:16 AM
https://twitter.com/TSNRyanRishaug/status/1125040188994899969

#HireBabcock
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on May 05, 2019, 12:17:58 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 05, 2019, 10:20:16 AM
https://twitter.com/TSNRyanRishaug/status/1125040188994899969

Glendening to Edmonton. Confirmed.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 05, 2019, 12:53:55 PM
https://twitter.com/gmillertsn/status/1125059513780805633

Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Bender on May 05, 2019, 11:06:09 PM
Quote from: herman on May 05, 2019, 12:53:55 PM
https://twitter.com/gmillertsn/status/1125059513780805633
Why wouldn't he also get killed in regular media? Or does he not have that either?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 06, 2019, 08:25:01 AM
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

A handful of other candidates went through the song and dance of applying, interviewing, outlining their long term plan for success with the Oiler franchise. Oilers brain trust throws money at Holland, the available name brand GM who has put his current team into the exact same situation the Oilers are in, sans McDavid.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Nik on May 06, 2019, 08:33:56 AM

I don't know if that's fair. I think Holland has done a reasonably good job in finding players in the draft in the last few years.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on May 06, 2019, 08:36:04 AM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on May 06, 2019, 08:33:56 AM

I don't know if that's fair. I think Holland has done a reasonably good job in finding players in the draft in the last few years.


How much is that Detroit's scouts vs Oilers scouts. Holland just gives the go ahead on drafting the scouts consensus
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Nik on May 06, 2019, 08:38:45 AM
Quote from: Zee on May 06, 2019, 08:36:04 AM
How much is that Detroit's scouts vs Oilers scouts. Holland just gives the go ahead on drafting the scouts consensus

But the GM is responsible for assembling both the scouting and the development staff.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on May 06, 2019, 08:44:11 AM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on May 06, 2019, 08:38:45 AM
Quote from: Zee on May 06, 2019, 08:36:04 AM
How much is that Detroit's scouts vs Oilers scouts. Holland just gives the go ahead on drafting the scouts consensus

But the GM is responsible for assembling both the scouting and the development staff.


True enough but he won't be able to take Detroit's scouting staff with him. Unless Yzerman fires the lot of them they're staying in Detroit.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 06, 2019, 08:46:13 AM
The big question will be does Holland have the clout to clear house in Edmonton, something the Gretzky and Hunter probably wouldn't be able to do. If the answer is yes, which is very well might be, then this is the best thing for them even if Holland is overrated as a GM at this point.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Nik on May 06, 2019, 08:56:10 AM
Quote from: Zee on May 06, 2019, 08:44:11 AM
True enough but he won't be able to take Detroit's scouting staff with him. Unless Yzerman fires the lot of them they're staying in Detroit.

Sure, so the question of how successful Holland can be in Edmonton assembling something new is up in the air. I'm just saying it's a little unfair to say he hasn't done a better job of assembling talent than Edmonton's tire fire considering what Detroit has on its big club and some of the pretty solid pieces they've got waiting.

Holland, as CtB says, is probably overrated as a GM but not much more than just the whole idea of a GM having a huge impact on a team's fortunes is overstated.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 06, 2019, 09:01:07 AM
Quote from: herman on May 05, 2019, 12:00:30 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 05, 2019, 10:20:16 AM
https://twitter.com/TSNRyanRishaug/status/1125040188994899969

#HireBabcock

I gotta say if there really is any squabbling between Dubas and Babcock this gives everyone involved the perfect opportunity to end the relationship and have everyone save face. So if Babs stays we really need to retire this narrative that they hate each other and passive aggressively trade barbs in the media and on twitter.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Groundskeeper Willie on May 06, 2019, 11:21:44 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 06, 2019, 09:01:07 AM
Quote from: herman on May 05, 2019, 12:00:30 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 05, 2019, 10:20:16 AM
https://twitter.com/TSNRyanRishaug/status/1125040188994899969

#HireBabcock

I gotta say if there really is any squabbling between Dubas and Babcock this gives everyone involved the perfect opportunity to end the relationship and have everyone save face. So if Babs stays we really need to retire this narrative that they hate each other and passive aggressively trade barbs in the media and on twitter.
Wasn't the rumour that Babcock and Holland didn't like each other by the end of their time together?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 06, 2019, 11:22:34 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 06, 2019, 09:01:07 AM
Quote from: herman on May 05, 2019, 12:00:30 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 05, 2019, 10:20:16 AM
https://twitter.com/TSNRyanRishaug/status/1125040188994899969

#HireBabcock

I gotta say if there really is any squabbling between Dubas and Babcock this gives everyone involved the perfect opportunity to end the relationship and have everyone save face. So if Babs stays we really need to retire this narrative that they hate each other and passive aggressively trade barbs in the media and on twitter.

Yeah, if Dubas and co. truly don't believe Babcock is the long term solution as coach, this + Keefe winning another Calder Cup is the perfect storm in which to make that change, and NOT making that move will say as much, if not more than pulling that trigger.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 06, 2019, 11:25:20 AM
https://twitter.com/BoltsJolts/status/1125171272680394754

Haha, I forgot that he threw this out there earlier.
The aforementioned article (https://theathletic.com/772974/2019/01/18/dgb-grab-bag-finding-pessimism-for-the-leagues-best-teams-a-guide-to-fake-trades-and-a-cancelled-season/).
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 06, 2019, 11:48:12 AM
Quote from: Crake on May 06, 2019, 11:21:44 AM
Wasn't the rumour that Babcock and Holland didn't like each other by the end of their time together?

Well he reportedly still made him a 5-year contract offer that would have made him the highest paid coach in the league.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Nik on May 06, 2019, 12:06:15 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 06, 2019, 11:48:12 AM
Quote from: Crake on May 06, 2019, 11:21:44 AM
Wasn't the rumour that Babcock and Holland didn't like each other by the end of their time together?

Well he reportedly still made him a 5-year contract offer that would have made him the highest paid coach in the league.

True but around that time it's tough to say if that was a Holland thing or an Ilitch thing.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on May 06, 2019, 12:57:06 PM
Quote from: Crake on May 06, 2019, 11:21:44 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 06, 2019, 09:01:07 AM
Quote from: herman on May 05, 2019, 12:00:30 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 05, 2019, 10:20:16 AM
https://twitter.com/TSNRyanRishaug/status/1125040188994899969

#HireBabcock

I gotta say if there really is any squabbling between Dubas and Babcock this gives everyone involved the perfect opportunity to end the relationship and have everyone save face. So if Babs stays we really need to retire this narrative that they hate each other and passive aggressively trade barbs in the media and on twitter.
Wasn't the rumour that Babcock and Holland didn't like each other by the end of their time together?


Absence makes the heart fonder
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 06, 2019, 02:37:36 PM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1125441858795188224

K.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 10, 2019, 11:36:55 AM
https://twitter.com/JSportsnet/status/1126869309295398912
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on May 10, 2019, 12:01:36 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 10, 2019, 11:36:55 AM
https://twitter.com/JSportsnet/status/1126869309295398912


Good. Just stay away from Keefe.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 10, 2019, 06:47:03 PM
Quote from: Zee on May 10, 2019, 12:01:36 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 10, 2019, 11:36:55 AM
https://twitter.com/JSportsnet/status/1126869309295398912


Good. Just stay away from Keefe.

https://twitter.com/51leafs/status/1126975272367075331

Come closer to Smith though
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 14, 2019, 09:55:21 PM
https://twitter.com/tsnbobmckenzie/status/1128477197264719872

I was hoping we could pick him up as an assistant, but obviously the head coaching job is his better option.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 14, 2019, 09:57:15 PM
Quote from: herman on May 14, 2019, 09:55:21 PM
https://twitter.com/tsnbobmckenzie/status/1128477197264719872

I was hoping we could pick him up as an assistant, but obviously the head coaching job is his better option.

Didn't sound like he had any interest to be an assistant.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 14, 2019, 10:16:03 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 14, 2019, 09:57:15 PM
Quote from: herman on May 14, 2019, 09:55:21 PM
https://twitter.com/tsnbobmckenzie/status/1128477197264719872

I was hoping we could pick him up as an assistant, but obviously the head coaching job is his better option.

Didn't sound like he had any interest to be an assistant.

He wanted a POHO role, right?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 14, 2019, 10:19:33 PM
Quote from: herman on May 14, 2019, 10:16:03 PM
He wanted a POHO role, right?

That seemed to be the original report, yeah. So I'm surprised he even took a head coach job.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 15, 2019, 08:05:09 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 14, 2019, 10:19:33 PM
Quote from: herman on May 14, 2019, 10:16:03 PM
He wanted a POHO role, right?

That seemed to be the original report, yeah. So I'm surprised he even took a head coach job.

Only Ottawa is looking for a POHO and no one on his shortlist even gave Melnyk an interview.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 15, 2019, 08:29:00 AM
Quote from: herman on May 15, 2019, 08:05:09 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 14, 2019, 10:19:33 PM
Quote from: herman on May 14, 2019, 10:16:03 PM
He wanted a POHO role, right?

That seemed to be the original report, yeah. So I'm surprised he even took a head coach job.

Only Ottawa is looking for a POHO and no one on his shortlist even gave Melnyk an interview.

It was probably just what he told Edmonton to get them to stop calling him.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Nik on May 17, 2019, 01:42:25 PM

As expected John Davidson is leaving Columbus, probably to become President of the Rangers.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 17, 2019, 03:12:54 PM
Well if you ever get a chance to snag the President of a team who won 1 playoff round in 7 years and only did so by sacrificing a large part of the teams future you just gotta do it I guess.

I just looked at his track record with St. Louis too. He was President there from 2006-2012. Then with Columbus from 2012-2019. That's 13 seasons. His teams have missed the playoffs in 7 of those, and have won a combined total of 2 playoff rounds.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on May 17, 2019, 03:43:10 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 17, 2019, 03:12:54 PM
Well if you ever get a chance to snag the President of a team who won 1 playoff round in 7 years and only did so by sacrificing a large part of the teams future you just gotta do it I guess.

I just looked at his track record with St. Louis too. He was President there from 2006-2012. Then with Columbus from 2012-2019. That's 13 seasons. His teams have missed the playoffs in 7 of those, and have won a combined total of 2 playoff rounds.

I'm not sure how much power he actually had in St Louis. The team was terrible under him, and for whatever reason, he didn't fire their GM until near the end of his tenure there. Was that his choice, or did ownership get in his way? He certainly made the same move pretty quickly after taking over in Columbus, and, while it obviously hasn't turned them into a great team, under his watch, they did go from a team that only finished better than 11th in the conference once to a team that made the playoffs in 4 of his 7 seasons. He's not a hire I'd be excited about, but not one I'd be upset with, either. He's a perfectly ordinary team president.

I also don't put too much of the trade deadline moves on him. That's on the GM, and, a good team president doesn't meddle too much on that side of things.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Nik on May 17, 2019, 04:42:53 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 17, 2019, 03:12:54 PM
Well if you ever get a chance to snag the President of a team who won 1 playoff round in 7 years and only did so by sacrificing a large part of the teams future you just gotta do it I guess.

Our team President has won 0 playoff rounds in 5 years.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 18, 2019, 01:17:09 PM
https://twitter.com/SunGarrioch/status/1129784709372928000

Oh my god please
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: . on May 18, 2019, 03:20:14 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 18, 2019, 01:17:09 PM
https://twitter.com/SunGarrioch/status/1129784709372928000

Oh my god please

That would be beyond awesome. Gasoline, meet match.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 23, 2019, 09:46:30 AM
https://twitter.com/prospects_watch/status/1131550320591552513

So many good options  ;D

edit: Swish!
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: OldTimeHockey on May 23, 2019, 10:59:53 AM
Quote from: herman on May 06, 2019, 08:25:01 AM
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

A handful of other candidates went through the song and dance of applying, interviewing, outlining their long term plan for success with the Oiler franchise. Oilers brain trust throws money at Holland, the available name brand GM who has put his current team into the exact same situation the Oilers are in, sans McDavid.

His team was a juggernaut for several years. They were due to crash and burn then have to rebuild.
They are not in the same position as the mess the Oilers are in unless all you're referring to was missing the playoffs.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 23, 2019, 11:18:03 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on May 23, 2019, 10:59:53 AM
Quote from: herman on May 06, 2019, 08:25:01 AM
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

A handful of other candidates went through the song and dance of applying, interviewing, outlining their long term plan for success with the Oiler franchise. Oilers brain trust throws money at Holland, the available name brand GM who has put his current team into the exact same situation the Oilers are in, sans McDavid.

His team was a juggernaut for several years. They were due to crash and burn then have to rebuild.
They are not in the same position as the mess the Oilers are in unless all you're referring to was missing the playoffs.

Like Nik said, Holland has had good drafting performance (which means he hired some really good amateur scouts).

My post (way back then) was more in reference to the line cutting Nicholson was okay with for the old boy he knew. Holland left the Red Wings with a boatload of aging middling players on anchor contracts. He's now tasked with helming the Oiler outfit that has a similar issue. It's not as term heavy as the Red Wings at the moment, so we'll see if he takes a different tack with two superstar contracts to build around.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 28, 2019, 01:31:23 PM
Dave Tippett is Edmonton's head coach
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on May 28, 2019, 02:16:25 PM
Quote from: herman on May 28, 2019, 01:31:23 PM
Dave Tippett is Edmonton's head coach

So, to go with their GM who last had success almost a decade ago, they brought in a coach who last had success almost a decade ago. Seems like a perfect fit.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 28, 2019, 02:42:24 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on May 28, 2019, 02:16:25 PM
So, to go with their GM who last had success almost a decade ago, they brought in a coach who last had success almost a decade ago. Seems like a perfect fit.

with Lucic!
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Bates on May 28, 2019, 03:44:19 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on May 28, 2019, 02:16:25 PM
Quote from: herman on May 28, 2019, 01:31:23 PM
Dave Tippett is Edmonton's head coach

So, to go with their GM who last had success almost a decade ago, they brought in a coach who last had success almost a decade ago. Seems like a perfect fit.

Not sure a Leaf fan should be throwing that shade?? Tippet has been further in this decade than Babcock with significantly less talent. 
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Dappleganger on May 28, 2019, 03:54:13 PM
Tippet was the best coach available.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Deebo on May 28, 2019, 04:23:47 PM
Quote from: Bates on May 28, 2019, 03:44:19 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on May 28, 2019, 02:16:25 PM
Quote from: herman on May 28, 2019, 01:31:23 PM
Dave Tippett is Edmonton's head coach

So, to go with their GM who last had success almost a decade ago, they brought in a coach who last had success almost a decade ago. Seems like a perfect fit.

Not sure a Leaf fan should be throwing that shade?? Tippet has been further in this decade than Babcock with significantly less talent. 

I don't think what the team they are a fan of does precludes someone from talking about other teams.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Bates on May 28, 2019, 04:33:25 PM
Quote from: Deebo on May 28, 2019, 04:23:47 PM
Quote from: Bates on May 28, 2019, 03:44:19 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on May 28, 2019, 02:16:25 PM
Quote from: herman on May 28, 2019, 01:31:23 PM
Dave Tippett is Edmonton's head coach

So, to go with their GM who last had success almost a decade ago, they brought in a coach who last had success almost a decade ago. Seems like a perfect fit.

Not sure a Leaf fan should be throwing that shade?? Tippet has been further in this decade than Babcock with significantly less talent. 

I don't think what the team they are a fan of does precludes someone from talking about other teams.

Glass houses.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Nik on May 28, 2019, 04:40:53 PM

As a Leafs fan, I don't feel particularly bound by the decisions the team makes because I'm not responsible for them and their wins/losses don't reflect on me as a person. We don't live in their glass house. We can throw stones at whoever we like.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Deebo on May 28, 2019, 04:50:50 PM
Quote from: Bates on May 28, 2019, 04:33:25 PM
Quote from: Deebo on May 28, 2019, 04:23:47 PM
Quote from: Bates on May 28, 2019, 03:44:19 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on May 28, 2019, 02:16:25 PM
Quote from: herman on May 28, 2019, 01:31:23 PM
Dave Tippett is Edmonton's head coach

So, to go with their GM who last had success almost a decade ago, they brought in a coach who last had success almost a decade ago. Seems like a perfect fit.

Not sure a Leaf fan should be throwing that shade?? Tippet has been further in this decade than Babcock with significantly less talent. 

I don't think what the team they are a fan of does precludes someone from talking about other teams.

Glass houses.

We don't live in the glass house. We are observers, not decision makers.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on May 28, 2019, 04:57:23 PM
Quote from: Bates on May 28, 2019, 03:44:19 PM
Not sure a Leaf fan should be throwing that shade?? Tippet has been further in this decade than Babcock with significantly less talent.

He made it all of one round further, while missing the playoffs at a significantly higher rate, so . . . yeah, I'm comfortable throwing shade there.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Nik on May 28, 2019, 04:59:26 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on May 28, 2019, 04:57:23 PM
He made it all of one round further, while missing the playoffs at a significantly higher rate, so . . . yeah, I'm comfortable throwing shade there.

Also, while a lot of people will dismiss it as not being the same thing, Babcock is still far and away the most successful international coach of the last decade.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 16, 2019, 03:32:28 PM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1140318967195668480

Edit:
https://twitter.com/anaheimducks/status/1140651585002885120
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 18, 2019, 03:09:46 PM
https://twitter.com/anaheimducks/status/1141055898279743493

Our buddy Darren is back in the game!
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 19, 2019, 12:44:07 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1141384927952244736

Barzal halfwall PP coming right up

Edit:
https://twitter.com/nyislanders/status/1141447124174770177

It here
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 20, 2019, 08:53:23 PM
https://twitter.com/andrewwalker650/status/1141851212918054912

Book it: Lucic to Vancouver
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on June 21, 2019, 11:11:38 AM
It just occurred to me that Eakins finally replaced Carlyle behind the bench, albeit with a different team.  Years ago many thought he was the heir apparent to Carlyle in Toronto.  Funny how things work out.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 23, 2019, 05:23:21 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/hockey/no-new-gm-yet-but-a-key-hockey-operations-pickup-by-nhl-seattle-should-help-make-that-call/

Alexandra Mandrycky (war-on-ice) has been added to the Seattle front office. I was hoping we'd be able to add her to the Leafs R&D group, but with her family currently living in Seattle, that's probably too good an opportunity to pass up.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 28, 2019, 04:41:42 PM
https://twitter.com/saracivian/status/1144689704392155137

Leafs assistant coach perhaps?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Nik on June 28, 2019, 04:46:03 PM
Quote from: herman on June 28, 2019, 04:41:42 PM
https://twitter.com/saracivian/status/1144689704392155137

Leafs assistant coach perhaps?

In Herman's terrifying William Gibson-esque concept of our future, all of us work for the Maple Leafs.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 28, 2019, 04:58:55 PM
All your coach are belong to us.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Nik on June 28, 2019, 05:16:46 PM

I'm currently working for MapleLeafsCo as a Fan, Third Class, in the Online Posting Division. Right now I'm part of the Sens Mocking Team but I'm thinking about putting in a transfer to the Phil Kessel Meme Workgroup.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Frank E on June 28, 2019, 05:31:23 PM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on June 28, 2019, 05:16:46 PM

I'm currently working for MapleLeafsCo as a Fan, Third Class, in the Online Posting Division. Right now I'm part of the Sens Mocking Team but I'm thinking about putting in a transfer to the Phil Kessel Meme Workgroup.

I got laid-off very recently from the Sparks Is The Next Starter (SNS) social media initiative. 

Felt like I was doing a good job, but apparently results matter. 
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on July 30, 2019, 01:13:33 PM
https://twitter.com/RussoHockey/status/1156249827635802112

WAIT we haven't had a chance to swipe Spurgeon yet

Edit: please pick Chiarelli, please pick Chiarelli
Title: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on July 30, 2019, 01:13:50 PM
Paul Fenton fired as GM after only one year.


https://theathletic.com/1105764/2019/07/30/sources-paul-fenton-out-as-wild-gm-after-one-rocky-season/
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 30, 2019, 01:19:04 PM
Well if you want to fire your GM now is definitely the time to do so.

Wait, it's almost August?!
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 30, 2019, 01:24:21 PM
The Rask for Niederreiter trade really should have been a fireable offence right there. If ownership fired him before that went through and just made their analytics people interim GMs to ride out the season the Wild would probably be in better shape right now.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 30, 2019, 01:25:51 PM
Quote from: herman on July 30, 2019, 01:13:33 PM
Edit: please pick Chiarelli, please pick Chiarelli

Well they already have his son in a high up position.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 30, 2019, 01:29:54 PM
https://twitter.com/mnwild/status/1145790427540414466
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Frank E on July 30, 2019, 02:16:12 PM
Which one's Minnesota again?  The one with Matt Duchene?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Nik on July 30, 2019, 04:33:23 PM

The timing of this suggests something bigger than "we don't like your hockey moves" was at play.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Arn on July 30, 2019, 04:48:58 PM
Seems appropriate on many levels

https://youtu.be/3GRSbr0EYYU
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on July 30, 2019, 05:41:07 PM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on July 30, 2019, 04:33:23 PM

The timing of this suggests something bigger than "we don't like your hockey moves" was at play.

https://twitter.com/russohockey/status/1156297583247134721
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on August 02, 2019, 10:47:34 PM
https://theathletic.com/1112113/2019/08/02/the-downfall-of-paul-fenton-inside-the-gms-turbulent-14-months-with-the-wild/

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/176bb13cb13c0b0f2f5c5d7f8d98dacb/tumblr_p5iyafLeyG1qiaxzfo1_540.gif)
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 03, 2019, 03:54:49 PM
Quote from: herman on August 02, 2019, 10:47:34 PM
https://theathletic.com/1112113/2019/08/02/the-downfall-of-paul-fenton-inside-the-gms-turbulent-14-months-with-the-wild/

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/176bb13cb13c0b0f2f5c5d7f8d98dacb/tumblr_p5iyafLeyG1qiaxzfo1_540.gif)

I'd pay an insane amount of money to read this sort of expose after every GM was fired. Imagine the Chiarelli/Edmonton one? The Nonis one?!

It also just raises the question of why he wasn't fired immediately after their season ended.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on August 03, 2019, 05:03:02 PM
How many hockey media environments have someone like Russo involved?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 06, 2019, 10:22:41 AM
Pretty weird situation going on in Carolina. Don Waddell's contract actually expired on June 30th and he hasn't been re-signed yet. But he's still operating as the team's GM. I'm not entirely sure how that works. To make things a little more complicated he's interviewing for the GM job in Minnesota... the team he swindled earlier in the year with the Niederreiter for Rask trade.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on August 06, 2019, 10:48:56 AM
Yeah I was going to bring that up earlier... most people, when they're off contract, stop getting access and authority. I'm sure Carolina doesn't mind that Waddell is working for free.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 06, 2019, 11:03:05 AM
Quote from: herman on August 06, 2019, 10:48:56 AM
Yeah I was going to bring that up earlier... most people, when they're off contract, stop getting access and authority. I'm sure Carolina doesn't mind that Waddell is working for free.

I mean, they have to still be paying him... right?

Although I don't think we've ever heard how payments get doled out for coaches and GMs. Do they only happen "in-season" like players or are they all year round?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 06, 2019, 11:05:23 AM
https://twitter.com/LukeDeCock/status/1158747538272526336

Oh so this could be interesting...
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on August 06, 2019, 11:06:54 AM
*cackling

Weekly allowance?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Rob on August 06, 2019, 11:14:19 AM
Quote from: herman on August 06, 2019, 11:06:54 AM
*cackling

Weekly allowance?

An envelope is left on his desk daily, and only at the end of the day, not at the start.  Oh and if you break a mug in the break room, expect your daily stipend to be deducted. 
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 06, 2019, 11:17:20 AM
Quote from: herman on August 06, 2019, 11:06:54 AM
*cackling

Weekly allowance?

He gets paid per win plus bonuses for successful trades and draft pick selections.

He also gets penalized for every leak that comes out of his office. Oh, sorry, wait, that was in Fenton's contract.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on August 06, 2019, 11:41:10 AM
and 30-50 bags of these bad boys
(http://ccsnacks.com/assets/images/hotbbq-pork-rinds_factor.jpg)
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Rob on August 06, 2019, 12:12:19 PM
Quote from: herman on August 06, 2019, 11:41:10 AM
and 30-50 bags of these bad boys
(http://ccsnacks.com/assets/images/hotbbq-pork-rinds_factor.jpg)

Perfect snack if you are following a low-carb regimen. 
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: louisstamos on August 06, 2019, 12:35:09 PM
Quote from: herman on August 06, 2019, 11:41:10 AM
and 30-50 bags of these bad boys
(http://ccsnacks.com/assets/images/hotbbq-pork-rinds_factor.jpg)

I understood this reference. :)
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on August 06, 2019, 01:10:55 PM
Quote from: louisstamos on August 06, 2019, 12:35:09 PM
Quote from: herman on August 06, 2019, 11:41:10 AM
and 30-50 bags of these bad boys
(http://ccsnacks.com/assets/images/hotbbq-pork-rinds_factor.jpg)

I understood this reference. :)

Took me 3-5 minutes to come up with it.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 06, 2019, 06:12:57 PM
Here's that Carolina story:

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/luke-decock/article233585707.html

QuoteThis summer, after Waddell's contract expired in June, Dundon has so far declined to give him a new one, and Waddell at the time seemed agreeable to continue on an at-will basis. Two months later, Waddell clearly has happy feet and the spectacle of a sitting general manager interviewing for another team's opening has little precedent in NHL history.

"I'm not going to pay what other guys pay GMs, so me having a contract with a GM doesn't really help me," Dundon said. "Don in essence has a contract. I already told Don, 'I'm not going to fire you. If I did, I'd tell you a year in advance.' My life's pretty good. I want people to do what's best for their life. If this is what's best for Don, the Hurricanes will be fine."
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Nik on August 06, 2019, 06:16:32 PM

Or, essentially, how Jerry Jones runs the Cowboys. Which, you know, works pretty well for him because it's the Dallas Cowboys. Whether it will be as profitable running a struggling team in a weak market will be an adventure to watch.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on August 06, 2019, 08:13:09 PM
Hmm, we could just hire Tulsky eh
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on August 07, 2019, 02:05:48 PM
Hey man

https://twitter.com/Account4hockey/status/1159137670750187521
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Coco-puffs on August 08, 2019, 10:24:46 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on August 06, 2019, 06:12:57 PM
Here's that Carolina story:

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/luke-decock/article233585707.html

QuoteThis summer, after Waddell's contract expired in June, Dundon has so far declined to give him a new one, and Waddell at the time seemed agreeable to continue on an at-will basis. Two months later, Waddell clearly has happy feet and the spectacle of a sitting general manager interviewing for another team's opening has little precedent in NHL history.

"I'm not going to pay what other guys pay GMs, so me having a contract with a GM doesn't really help me," Dundon said. "Don in essence has a contract. I already told Don, 'I'm not going to fire you. If I did, I'd tell you a year in advance.' My life's pretty good. I want people to do what's best for their life. If this is what's best for Don, the Hurricanes will be fine."

I've read a number of stories and I totally get where Dundon is coming from.  His VP's in his other companies don't have "contracts" in the way that NHL GM's do.  They are employees, with agreed upon compensation, bonus structures, vacation, etc.  There is no "term" on this type of employee contract, in the same sense we have it with most of our daily jobs.  (ie, I signed a contract when I started each of my jobs as a professional and mostly its legal stuff, non-compete clauses, etc... there is no term on them)

It definitely bucks the trend of what is done in the NHL, where teams usually agreed to a certain length of contract with their GM's.  If they are fired, they still have to be paid to the full length of their contract.  I can see why Dundon may want to avoid that.  It does come with the drawback that the GM can leave at any time for a better offer since there is no statement in a contract that doesn't allow you to just seek a new job elsewhere.  As Dundon states, he wouldn't hold anyone back.

I think the media is making a big deal about it only because it goes against the grain- but really, its kinda normal business practice outside of sports.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Nik on August 08, 2019, 01:24:26 PM
Quote from: Coco-puffs on August 08, 2019, 10:24:46 AM
It definitely bucks the trend of what is done in the NHL, where teams usually agreed to a certain length of contract with their GM's.  If they are fired, they still have to be paid to the full length of their contract.  I can see why Dundon may want to avoid that.  It does come with the drawback that the GM can leave at any time for a better offer since there is no statement in a contract that doesn't allow you to just seek a new job elsewhere.  As Dundon states, he wouldn't hold anyone back.

I think the bigger drawback is that unless you can find someone who would choose to have no stability or guarantees over having stability and guarantees then by having this policy you're effectively relegating yourself to the least in-demand candidates for the job. Because so much of running a sports team is presenting yourself as being willing to do anything to win, having a policy that virtually guarantees you'd be ranked 31st on a list of teams to work for will make for tough sledding if your team struggles.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Coco-puffs on August 08, 2019, 02:08:43 PM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on August 08, 2019, 01:24:26 PM
Quote from: Coco-puffs on August 08, 2019, 10:24:46 AM
It definitely bucks the trend of what is done in the NHL, where teams usually agreed to a certain length of contract with their GM's.  If they are fired, they still have to be paid to the full length of their contract.  I can see why Dundon may want to avoid that.  It does come with the drawback that the GM can leave at any time for a better offer since there is no statement in a contract that doesn't allow you to just seek a new job elsewhere.  As Dundon states, he wouldn't hold anyone back.

I think the bigger drawback is that unless you can find someone who would choose to have no stability or guarantees over having stability and guarantees then by having this policy you're effectively relegating yourself to the least in-demand candidates for the job. Because so much of running a sports team is presenting yourself as being willing to do anything to win, having a policy that virtually guarantees you'd be ranked 31st on a list of teams to work for will make for tough sledding if your team struggles.

I don't disagree.  The job there won't be a destination, especially for guys with experience and cachet around the league as a good executive.  But there are only 31 spots and 200 hockey men probably vying for them, so its not like he's gonna have a position that won't have some good candidates.  Dundon will probably like looking outside the realm of 200 hockey men too.  It might not end up being a path to success, and that is the risk he seems willing to take.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 08, 2019, 02:16:40 PM
Quote from: Coco-puffs on August 08, 2019, 02:08:43 PM
But there are only 31 spots and 200 hockey men probably vying for them, so its not like he's gonna have a position that won't have some good candidates.

I don't know if this whole contract thing was the #1 reason for it but it was well reported that the Canes had difficulties hiring a new GM after Francis was let go.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Nik on August 08, 2019, 02:39:58 PM
Quote from: Coco-puffs on August 08, 2019, 02:08:43 PMBut there are only 31 spots and 200 hockey men probably vying for them, so its not like he's gonna have a position that won't have some good candidates.

Well, except I'd argue that finding 31 good GMs among those 200 has proven pretty difficult even with everyone being signed to contracts. The thing about sports at this level isn't really about being "good" at your job as I'm pretty convinced that if I got hired to run a NHL team tomorrow I wouldn't embarrass myself too badly but rather it's about where you rank on that list of 31. Look at the trouble teams around the league have gotten into by virtue of having a bad GM, now imagine your team has a policy that almost guarantees you'll have the worst GM in the league from year to year.

Because the second effect here is that if Dundon does find someone good, and I agree that going outside the typical pool of GM hires opens up some intriguing possibilities for him, the nature of the business is that as soon as that person develops that sort of cachet they'd probably leave as soon as they got a decent offer from elsewhere. Imagine that happening before a trade deadline or July 1st or draft?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 08, 2019, 02:43:36 PM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on August 08, 2019, 02:39:58 PM
Imagine that happening before a trade deadline or July 1st or draft?

Or a month before training camp opens...
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Nik on August 08, 2019, 03:24:19 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on August 08, 2019, 02:43:36 PM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on August 08, 2019, 02:39:58 PM
Imagine that happening before a trade deadline or July 1st or draft?

Or a month before training camp opens...

Whither the Erikssons-Ek?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Coco-puffs on August 09, 2019, 10:27:55 AM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on August 08, 2019, 02:39:58 PM
Quote from: Coco-puffs on August 08, 2019, 02:08:43 PMBut there are only 31 spots and 200 hockey men probably vying for them, so its not like he's gonna have a position that won't have some good candidates.

Well, except I'd argue that finding 31 good GMs among those 200 has proven pretty difficult even with everyone being signed to contracts. The thing about sports at this level isn't really about being "good" at your job as I'm pretty convinced that if I got hired to run a NHL team tomorrow I wouldn't embarrass myself too badly but rather it's about where you rank on that list of 31. Look at the trouble teams around the league have gotten into by virtue of having a bad GM, now imagine your team has a policy that almost guarantees you'll have the worst GM in the league from year to year.

Because the second effect here is that if Dundon does find someone good, and I agree that going outside the typical pool of GM hires opens up some intriguing possibilities for him, the nature of the business is that as soon as that person develops that sort of cachet they'd probably leave as soon as they got a decent offer from elsewhere. Imagine that happening before a trade deadline or July 1st or draft?

Bolded my favourite part- we know you are ready to add to the conversation  ;)  (And this is a place for conversation, so don't take that the wrong way)

I hadn't stated it because I thought it was obvious, but yes, without a contract and one of the lowest salaries in the league for the position, anyone good would be much easier to poach.  Since most teams don't make those types of changes at the trade deadline or July 1st (or mid-summer) there usually isn't an opening at those times where said person would get poached. 

One thing I might add here- I think we put too much stock into the GM.  They make the final decision and are the leader of the front office, but ultimately, I think it takes a good front office as a whole to succeed.  Obviously a bad GM that doesn't know how to lead a front office is a killer (Fenton), but a good front office with smart people giving you good information to go on makes it much easier to succeed- and potentially, move forward with someone new at the top if it comes to it.  And an owner who seems VERY involved in decisions might mean that the GM role in Carolina doesn't actually give you final say. 

Ultimately, Dundon is taking a big risk here betting that his way of doing it will be fine.  I may not be as skeptical as you are, but believe me I'm still skeptical.  I was just presenting ideas as to why it might work out. 

Finally, I disagree entirely that this method guarantees you'd have the worst GM in the league year to year.  The bar for that isn't too high in the NHL IMO.  And as I stated above, having a good front office (Tulsky!) can mitigate not having one of the top GM's in the league. 

Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Nik on August 09, 2019, 11:00:38 AM
Quote from: Coco-puffs on August 09, 2019, 10:27:55 AM
I hadn't stated it because I thought it was obvious, but yes, without a contract and one of the lowest salaries in the league for the position, anyone good would be much easier to poach.  Since most teams don't make those types of changes at the trade deadline or July 1st (or mid-summer) there usually isn't an opening at those times where said person would get poached. 

Except if hypothetically we're dealing with a talented poach-worthy front office type not only would that create an incentive to possibly make changes whenever you could in the service of landing them but that's also assuming that you would only ever poach someone to fill a vacancy as opposed to just adding to a talented front office. If Carolina has someone worth hiring then it might well be in the interest of a team to give them a raise and a guaranteed contract while making them an AGM or DPP or Director of Hockey Ops or whatever.

Quote from: Coco-puffs on August 09, 2019, 10:27:55 AM
And an owner who seems VERY involved in decisions might mean that the GM role in Carolina doesn't actually give you final say. 

Well, I think that's the real story here buried underneath everything else. It's why I compared it to the way Jerry Jones runs the Cowboys which, to put it charitably, has had mixed results.

Quote from: Coco-puffs on August 09, 2019, 10:27:55 AM
Finally, I disagree entirely that this method guarantees you'd have the worst GM in the league year to year.  The bar for that isn't too high in the NHL IMO.  And as I stated above, having a good front office (Tulsky!) can mitigate not having one of the top GM's in the league.

Except having a situation where there's likely to be instability at the top probably severely restricts your ability to build that good front office. Again, if the "good" front office people you're looking to hire are looking for any kind of stability they're probably not going to be enticed by an offer from the one team that has committed themselves to giving the worst offers in the league and where the Boss himself has no idea if he'll be there next week.

Like I said above, while this creates a serious problem in trying to land a good GM, the problem almost certainly gets worse when you're talking about people below that as they're far more susceptible to being poached laterally and while I maybe agree that we think of GMs too narrowly as "good" or "bad" at their jobs the real problem here would be a lack of continuity as organizational direction being inconsistent year to year is probably a greater concern than a "bad" GM. If that consistency is supposed to be coming from Dundon, well, I'm pretty confident in saying that owners making those decisions is almost certainly a bad idea.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: OldTimeHockey on August 09, 2019, 11:14:56 AM
I think it's a terrible model to run your team with. While comparisons are being made to the "real world'...this isn't the real world. Yes it's very much a business in that sense, things do not operate in the same fashion. There are 31 teams, and with parity being what it is, you need to seek out any advantage your team can garner through scouting, coaching and management. Having someone that can be gone at a moment's notice is not a good business model. Also, I don't see this wealthy business man giving someone 1 year's notice before they are let go.  I can't realistically see a team, who is trying to compete in a 9 month season, saying "Well it's November, and we're sitting in last place, I'd like to make some management changes. Okay, so next November we'll fire our GM and hire a new guy. That should fix things."

Also, think about the coaches. Usually a GM brings along a bench staff based on his vision. Why would a coach link up with a GM who has no real security himself?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Coco-puffs on August 09, 2019, 12:57:31 PM
Interesting that the Hurricanes finished 6th in voting on front office confidence in Dom's yearly poll.  Now, if Dundon's policies mean the front office starts to fall apart this will change but as of right now it seems to be fine for most.

https://theathletic.com/1123303/2019/08/08/the-2019-nhl-front-office-confidence-rankings-fans-weigh-in-on-how-each-team-is-doing/


Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Nik on August 09, 2019, 01:12:34 PM

I think fans are far more likely to be voting based on how the team did last year than they are as a result of really sitting down and comparing your various front offices.

Besides, I don't think this was even well known until recently.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on August 09, 2019, 01:26:31 PM
The Waddell situation came to light just after most of the survey results were gathered.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: hockeyfan1 on August 09, 2019, 11:24:54 PM
As per the Leafs re: TheAthletic/Dom's poll  the Marner situation plus the fact the disappointment of their playoff results certainly have had an effect in terms of the fan base and public opinion.

I was expecting the Leafs to actually be in the top three, but if the above situations had ironed themselves out with faster and more satisfactory results, then their rankings would have elevated.

It's good to know what the thinking is out there, minus the analytical aspect nor detailed analysis.  Just in terms of generalities, which means it shouldn't be taken at face value nor should it be seen as an indictment of Dubas & co.

Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on August 12, 2019, 01:57:09 PM
https://twitter.com/RussoHockey/status/1160968625739718656
https://www.nhl.com/hurricanes/news/canes-re-sign-don-waddell-to-multi-year-extension/c-308504094

*Yawn
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on August 12, 2019, 02:02:37 PM
I read a reference to Don Wadell as GM DW and now...
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/arthur/images/0/09/DW_S8E06.png/revision/latest?cb=20171007112002)
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 16, 2019, 06:19:11 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1162485482326020104

Phew, would have been tough to decide who the worst GM in the league was if he joined Chia and Fenton on the unemployment line.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on August 16, 2019, 07:11:09 PM
#blessed
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 21, 2019, 12:44:23 PM
https://twitter.com/BrianHedger/status/1164201531899633664

Love it when a billion dollar professional sports franchise is run like a family owned and operated business.

Marshall was also hired by John in St. Louis to be a scout with seemingly no prior experience anywhere in the hockey world. He followed John from St. Louis to Columbus and now from Columbus to New York.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on August 21, 2019, 03:04:29 PM
https://twitter.com/mnwild/status/1164238760017616896

The most boring timeline, but getting some strong Shooter McGavin vibes from this photo.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 21, 2019, 03:17:27 PM
Quote from: herman on August 21, 2019, 03:04:29 PM
https://twitter.com/mnwild/status/1164238760017616896

Darn, they rejected my copy of the tweet for this announcement:

"I am thrilled to announce we have hired Bill Guerin, former teammate of Mike Modano (who was heavily involved in this hiring process), as General Manager of the Minnesota Wild." — Craig Leipold
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Coco-puffs on August 21, 2019, 04:27:03 PM
100% they used that photo to deflect attention from the Modano thing.  Nobody is talking about Modano helping hire his buddy... everyone is talking about the photo.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 21, 2019, 05:35:18 PM
Quote from: Coco-puffs on August 21, 2019, 04:27:03 PM
100% they used that photo to deflect attention from the Modano thing.  Nobody is talking about Modano helping hire his buddy... everyone is talking about the photo.

That would be the smartest decision the Wild organization has made in years.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on September 24, 2019, 07:08:13 AM
https://twitter.com/igoreronko/status/1176433679767396353

How many Scaramuccis is this?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 24, 2019, 08:31:10 AM
How soon before Edmonton hires him back in some capacity?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 24, 2019, 01:42:04 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on September 24, 2019, 08:31:10 AM
How soon before Edmonton hires him back in some capacity?
Don't know. There's a new sheriff in town so the ole boys club might be gone.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 16, 2019, 11:08:37 AM
https://twitter.com/NJDevils/status/1184485552093048832

Devils are 0-4-2 in a Hall contract season.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on October 16, 2019, 04:21:27 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on October 16, 2019, 11:08:37 AM
Devils are 0-4-2 in a Hall contract season.

Is it the coach or is it the goaltending?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 16, 2019, 04:51:03 PM
Quote from: herman on October 16, 2019, 04:21:27 PM
Is it the coach or is it the goaltending?

Goaltending has certainly been bad (2nd worst GA/GP and 5-on-5 Sv%), but it's not like other parts of their game have been very positive. 28th in goals per game. 29th in PP%. 27th in CF%.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on December 03, 2019, 05:28:54 PM
https://twitter.com/njdevils/status/1201974394823806977

Peter Horachek, currently one of their pro-scouts, will be stepping behind the bench to assist.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on December 11, 2019, 08:50:43 PM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1204925586017325056
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on December 11, 2019, 10:25:53 PM
Man, coaches are just falling like leaves!
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: WAYNEINIONA on December 11, 2019, 10:32:01 PM

Boughner taking over.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: WAYNEINIONA on December 11, 2019, 11:01:03 PM

They also fired 3 assistant coaches as well.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: OldTimeHockey on December 12, 2019, 07:52:12 AM
Pretty poor timing on the part of the Sharks. Despite them saying it's a pure hockey move, he will be lumped in with all the other coaches being fired right now.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 12, 2019, 09:39:16 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on December 12, 2019, 07:52:12 AM
Pretty poor timing on the part of the Sharks. Despite them saying it's a pure hockey move, he will be lumped in with all the other coaches being fired right now.

Why would that happen?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on December 12, 2019, 09:42:53 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 12, 2019, 09:39:16 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on December 12, 2019, 07:52:12 AM
Pretty poor timing on the part of the Sharks. Despite them saying it's a pure hockey move, he will be lumped in with all the other coaches being fired right now.

Why would that happen?

Yeah that doesn't make sense to me either.  If you're a GM and not happy with how the team is playing and you want to fire the coach you have to wait now because there's other coaches being fired for abusive or racist behavior?  They fired him and said it was only hockey related, that's enough.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on December 12, 2019, 09:48:07 AM
Quote from: Zee on December 12, 2019, 09:42:53 AM
Yeah that doesn't make sense to me either.  If you're a GM and not happy with how the team is playing and you want to fire the coach you have to wait now because there's other coaches being fired for abusive or racist behavior?  They fired him and said it was only hockey related, that's enough.

Agreed. There's no reason one team has to wait to dismiss an underperforming coach because others are dismissing racist or abusive ones. DeBoer will get lumped in to the "a whole bunch of coaches got fired in a short span" group, but not with those that are being let go for stuff outside hockey. Unless stories come about him, the fact that he was let go around the same time will mostly be forgotten in a year or so.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Bates on December 12, 2019, 09:58:41 AM
Many have Babcock in the same camp as well.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Nik on December 12, 2019, 09:58:56 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on December 12, 2019, 07:52:12 AM
Pretty poor timing on the part of the Sharks. Despite them saying it's a pure hockey move, he will be lumped in with all the other coaches being fired right now.

I'm sure some people might think this is pedantic but I think the reason De Boer won't be lumped in with "all the other coaches" being fired right now because of the growing push to change hockey culture is because only one coach has been fired because of that(and, technically, none have). Babcock got fired for hockey reasons, the other stuff came out after. Peters did get canned for the stuff with Aliu but he technically resigned. Everyone in Dallas is saying Montgomery didn't get fired for Peters-y reasons.

So there's no real lump to be put in. Sure, when I first read that DeBoer was fired I wondered why but that's just because I didn't off-hand know what the Sharks record was.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on December 12, 2019, 10:02:39 AM
What are we up to now?  5 coaches fired before Christmas?  Is this a record?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on December 12, 2019, 10:31:05 AM
Quote from: Zee on December 12, 2019, 10:02:39 AM
What are we up to now?  5 coaches fired before Christmas?  Is this a record?

5 coaches have been fired/resigned since Detroit won its last hockey game.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Frank E on December 12, 2019, 10:36:16 AM
Quote from: herman on December 12, 2019, 10:31:05 AM
Quote from: Zee on December 12, 2019, 10:02:39 AM
What are we up to now?  5 coaches fired before Christmas?  Is this a record?

5 coaches have been fired/resigned since Detroit won its last hockey game.

And you're going to tell me that Detroit's own coach isn't one of them?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 12, 2019, 10:38:43 AM
Quote from: Frank E on December 12, 2019, 10:36:16 AM
Quote from: herman on December 12, 2019, 10:31:05 AM
Quote from: Zee on December 12, 2019, 10:02:39 AM
What are we up to now?  5 coaches fired before Christmas?  Is this a record?

5 coaches have been fired/resigned since Detroit won its last hockey game.

And you're going to tell me that Detroit's own coach isn't one of them?

Detroit's season is going exactly the way Yzerman wants it to. Why step in now?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on December 12, 2019, 10:46:35 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 12, 2019, 10:38:43 AM
Quote from: Frank E on December 12, 2019, 10:36:16 AM
Quote from: herman on December 12, 2019, 10:31:05 AM
Quote from: Zee on December 12, 2019, 10:02:39 AM
What are we up to now?  5 coaches fired before Christmas?  Is this a record?

5 coaches have been fired/resigned since Detroit won its last hockey game.

And you're going to tell me that Detroit's own coach isn't one of them?

Detroit's season is going exactly the way Yzerman wants it to. Why step in now?

They're doing a bang up job. The capsheet looks decently projectable, drafting the past couple of seasons has been really good with some surprise gifts on top of it. Soft-tank one more year after this and the number of bad Holland deals left is down to 1-ish.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Deebo on December 12, 2019, 10:48:47 AM
Quote from: Zee on December 12, 2019, 10:02:39 AM
What are we up to now?  5 coaches fired before Christmas?  Is this a record?

I thought the same thing, but it turns out that 5 were fired before Christmas last year.

John Stevens in LA on Nov. 4
Joel Quenneville in Chicago on Nov. 6
Mike Yeo in St. Louis on Nov. 9
Todd McLellan in Edmonton on Nov. 20
Dave Hakstol in Philadelphia on Dec. 17
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Frank E on December 12, 2019, 10:53:15 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 12, 2019, 10:38:43 AM
Quote from: Frank E on December 12, 2019, 10:36:16 AM
Quote from: herman on December 12, 2019, 10:31:05 AM
Quote from: Zee on December 12, 2019, 10:02:39 AM
What are we up to now?  5 coaches fired before Christmas?  Is this a record?

5 coaches have been fired/resigned since Detroit won its last hockey game.

And you're going to tell me that Detroit's own coach isn't one of them?

Detroit's season is going exactly the way Yzerman wants it to. Why step in now?

I'm not debating that, and they're definitely on track to maximize their one 1st, 2 second rounders, and 2 third third rounders.

They've also got Nielsen for another 2 years after this one at $5.25m, and Abdelkader for another 3 years after this one at $4.25m.  They've got a bunch of RFA's to sign, including Bertuzzi and Athanasiou.

4 of their defensemen are UFA, Green (34), Ericsson (35), Daley (36), and Biega (31). 

Might be an interesting trade deadline for Detroit.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on December 12, 2019, 11:27:42 AM
Quote from: Deebo on December 12, 2019, 10:48:47 AM
Quote from: Zee on December 12, 2019, 10:02:39 AM
What are we up to now?  5 coaches fired before Christmas?  Is this a record?

I thought the same thing, but it turns out that 5 were fired before Christmas last year.

John Stevens in LA on Nov. 4
Joel Quenneville in Chicago on Nov. 6
Mike Yeo in St. Louis on Nov. 9
Todd McLellan in Edmonton on Nov. 20
Dave Hakstol in Philadelphia on Dec. 17


So maybe one more for the record? Boudreau still in play?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on January 03, 2020, 04:12:59 PM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1213189351552606208
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Hobbes on January 03, 2020, 05:23:39 PM
Good for him...admitting you have a problem is the first step on the long road to recovery.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on January 03, 2020, 05:39:00 PM
Kind of weird to immediately fire someone who is struggling with an addiction.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: princedpw on January 03, 2020, 05:46:19 PM
Quote from: herman on January 03, 2020, 05:39:00 PM
Kind of weird to immediately fire someone who is struggling with an addiction.

Well "he had an addiction" may not describe the entirety of what was going on.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Nik on January 03, 2020, 05:50:44 PM
While I hope this is the first step on the road to recovery and all that it still doesn't really answer any questions. If this is a legitimate substance abuse issue, why not put him on leave as he gets treatment? Why the need to fire him immediately?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 03, 2020, 05:55:44 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on January 03, 2020, 05:50:44 PM
While I hope this is the first step on the road to recovery and all that it still doesn't really answer any questions. If this is a legitimate substance abuse issue, why not put him on leave as he gets treatment? Why the need to fire him immediately?
It's pretty obvious he did something. There's no way Dallas fires him if it is only an addiction issue. So while I think alcohol may have been a factor in whatever he did, it doesn't excuse it.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on January 03, 2020, 06:05:08 PM
Yeah, something bad happened. But you know what stops bad things from happening? Recognizing the signs earlier and intervening. It's gapping up on the problem when it's in the neutral zone, not when it's in your net.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 06, 2020, 07:42:09 PM
https://twitter.com/PredsNHL/status/1214328541858402304

I remember really, really wanting the Leafs to hire Laviolette when the Flyers let him go (the Leafs still had Carlyle at this point). Always seemed like a very good coach, but Nashville's having a tough season and this is his 6th one there. Time runs out for every coach eventually.
Title: Preds fire Laviolette
Post by: Nik on January 06, 2020, 07:42:28 PM

The Preds have fired Laviolette.

https://twitter.com/PredsNHL/status/1214328541858402304
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 06, 2020, 07:44:16 PM
Rinne has a .896 save percentage, and Saros is at .892 for those wondering.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Frank E on January 06, 2020, 07:45:47 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 06, 2020, 07:44:16 PM
Rinne has a .896 save percentage, and Saros is at .892 for those wondering.

Goaltending is still a coach killer.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Bates on January 06, 2020, 07:48:18 PM
Babcock likes Country music.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on January 06, 2020, 08:06:40 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1214332095255982081?s=12


Is he being introduced with a paper bag over his head at game time?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: lamajama on January 06, 2020, 08:17:22 PM
This is literally within a few days of Poile giving a quasi-vote of confidence.

Those comments have to be the worst in sports
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on January 07, 2020, 11:48:06 AM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1214573731273723904
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on January 07, 2020, 11:56:24 AM
https://twitter.com/GibShow/status/1214567358666174470
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 07, 2020, 12:21:06 PM
Must have been really tough to decide between him and DeBoer.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 07, 2020, 02:25:20 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 07, 2020, 12:21:06 PM
Must have been really tough to decide between him and DeBoer.
And Babs too!
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on January 07, 2020, 02:32:27 PM
21 years in the league and it's only Nashville's 3rd coach.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on January 07, 2020, 02:34:21 PM
https://twitter.com/YahooSportsNHL/status/1214576247377932293

I've been enjoying Yahoo Sports' twitter game lately.

To be fair to Hynes, he wasn't the issue in New Jersey anyway.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on January 12, 2020, 06:59:11 PM
https://twitter.com/jshannonhl/status/1216492283429838849?s=21
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Hobbes on January 12, 2020, 07:55:48 PM
Not terribly surprising, really. It will be very interesting to see who they plan to replace him with.

EDIT: Gosh, I went to check how long he'd been the Devils' GM since it didn't seem like all that long ago since he was building winners in Pittsburgh. I was shocked to discover that it was nearly 6 years that he's been there (May 2014).
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Nik on January 12, 2020, 08:19:43 PM

In discussing the failure of his tenure I'm sure that Hischier and Hughes underperforming will be brought up prominently but just like it was in Edmonton the struggle is just as much about a complete and total lack of drafting any meaningful players outside of the top 10 as it is not getting superstars with the 1st overall picks.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Hobbes on January 12, 2020, 08:35:12 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on January 12, 2020, 08:19:43 PM

In discussing the failure of his tenure I'm sure that Hischier and Hughes underperforming will be brought up prominently but just like it was in Edmonton the struggle is just as much about a complete and total lack of drafting any meaningful players outside of the top 10 as it is not getting superstars with the 1st overall picks.

He also wasn't helped by the PK Suban trade being such a dud. And that one involved tw0 2nd round picks going to the Preds, too...hard to draft well when you're giving away picks.


EDIT: actually they did still have a bunch of 3rd and 4th round picks (and a 2nd) last summer. Too early for any of those to be panning out yet. They also haven't yet had a single NHL game out of their 2018 draft class.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Nik on January 13, 2020, 12:06:16 PM
Quote from: Hobbes on January 12, 2020, 08:35:12 PM
He also wasn't helped by the PK Suban trade being such a dud. And that one involved tw0 2nd round picks going to the Preds, too...hard to draft well when you're giving away picks.


EDIT: actually they did still have a bunch of 3rd and 4th round picks (and a 2nd) last summer. Too early for any of those to be panning out yet. They also haven't yet had a single NHL game out of their 2018 draft class.

It's the 2015 and 2016 drafts that really sunk him. In both drafts the Devils had 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks and they really got very little to show for it. Mackenzie Blackwood may be a good starter one day but taking Pavel Zacha 6th over Werenski, Provorov and Rantanen looks pretty rough right now.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Hobbes on January 13, 2020, 02:06:07 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on January 13, 2020, 12:06:16 PM
Quote from: Hobbes on January 12, 2020, 08:35:12 PM
He also wasn't helped by the PK Suban trade being such a dud. And that one involved tw0 2nd round picks going to the Preds, too...hard to draft well when you're giving away picks.


EDIT: actually they did still have a bunch of 3rd and 4th round picks (and a 2nd) last summer. Too early for any of those to be panning out yet. They also haven't yet had a single NHL game out of their 2018 draft class.

It's the 2015 and 2016 drafts that really sunk him. In both drafts the Devils had 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks and they really got very little to show for it. Mackenzie Blackwood may be a good starter one day but taking Pavel Zacha 6th over Werenski, Provorov and Rantanen looks pretty rough right now.

I just went through his trade history and really didn't see any massive blunders there. He did give up a couple 2nd rounders and two misc non-factor players for Suban and that hasn't panned out, but it wasn't really a bad move/idea at the time. I think for the most part it was felt that Shero got the better of that deal. He's made a bunch of assorted little moves that were largely inconsequential, but there only other trade of any significance was the Hall-Larson deal where it looked like he fleeced Edmonton at the time, and it became even more lopsided when Hall performed as he did. The most recent Hall trade it's a bit too early to evaluate but I guess on the assumption that Hall wasn't going to re-sign, he made out about as well as could be expected. Basically on the trade front his moves were pretty uniformly beneficial to the Devils.

I also went through his UFA signings and nothing sticks out as being excessively horrible. Their cap is perfectly under control now that Hall is gone, and even before that they were okay. They don't have any deals on the books that look like they're really killing them...

...except one.

Schneider signing that fairly lengthy 7x$6M didn't seem too unreasonable at the time. He was consistently a .920+ goalie and in the Vezina conversation leading into the contract (his contract year was 69 games .925/2.25) . His first year of that deal was fewer games (58) but he still posted a .924/2.15 so it seemed perfectly reasonable. And then for whatever reason Schneider utterly fell apart in 2016-17 and goaltending has been the Devils' problem ever since. You cannot win in this league with .90x or worse from your combined netminders. So far this year the only team that has given up more goals is the Wings. Ouch!

I tend to think that the Devils are the kind of team that (with Hall still there) ought to have been a legitimate playoff-contender type of team this year (ie be fighting for one of those wildcard spots) and it's their goaltending that's killed them...and probably that's a huge factor in Hall's decision to leave. He'd seen 3 years of crap goaltending, didn't see much hope of it improving, and wants a chance to win.

It's hard to know how much of Schneider's implosion to hang on Shero. By the time it became apparent that Cory was never going to return to his former abilities, I don't know that he could have found a buyer and I doubt NJ would want to take the hit for a buyout on that contract. Burying him in the minors still ties up $5M for another 2 seasons after this one which really hurts. Neither of their other two goalies is showing much life either, although Blackwood at least is still young and might develop into something (if getting shelled every night this year doesn't mentally cripple him for life).

I'd almost file this one under "sh*t happens" and Shero had to pay for it.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on January 13, 2020, 02:20:43 PM
Yeah. I don't think this so much about Sheri doing a lot of things that are clearly wrong. It's more that he didn't do enough that was right. His bigger moves weren't necessarily failures. It's more, other than the Hall-Larsson trade, the results were underwhelming.

And, yeah, the goaltending situation has clearly been a significant issue. Schneider's complete collapse became a problem the team couldn't solve.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Hobbes on January 13, 2020, 02:26:04 PM
Sportsnet (*shudder*) just did a piece on Shero too.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/ray-shero-drastically-reshaped-devils-gm-tenure/

TLDR; pretty good job other than a couple questionable draft choices.

Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 15, 2020, 11:40:18 AM
https://twitter.com/GoldenKnights/status/1217470677739102208

The Leafs made firing coaches cool.

Vegas currently sits 9th in the West. That Pacific division is super close right now though: 1 point separates 2-5.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on January 15, 2020, 11:44:26 AM
LMAO whut
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 15, 2020, 11:45:02 AM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1217472414436790272

Amazing.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on January 15, 2020, 11:45:34 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 15, 2020, 11:45:02 AM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1217472414436790272

Amazing.
This is glorious
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 15, 2020, 11:46:40 AM
https://twitter.com/ChartingHockey/status/1216767504372195328

Guess someone disagreed.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 15, 2020, 11:51:06 AM
The Knights have the 3rd best CF% and 2nd best xGF% (per NST) this season. 4th worst PDO though.

And despite being out of a playoff spot right now they're just 3 points out of 1st in their division. This has to be one of the most surprising (performance related) coaches firings in recent memory.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on January 15, 2020, 11:59:15 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 15, 2020, 11:51:06 AM
The Knights have the 3rd best CF% and 2nd best xGF% (per NST) this season. 4th worst PDO though.

And despite being out of a playoff spot right now they're just 3 points out of 1st in their division. This has to be one of the most surprising (performance related) coaches firings in recent memory.

Goaltending has been a problem for them this season, for sure. Their goalscoring should improve, but, I'm not convinced about the goaltending.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on January 15, 2020, 01:01:38 PM
Did not see that coming
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: princedpw on January 15, 2020, 02:39:56 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 15, 2020, 11:46:40 AM
https://twitter.com/ChartingHockey/status/1216767504372195328

Guess someone disagreed.

Unfortunately, at the top of the chart, greyed out, you can also see Tampa just rocketing past the rest of the world, way above the pack.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on January 15, 2020, 02:40:57 PM
Quote from: princedpw on January 15, 2020, 02:39:56 PM
Unfortunately, at the top of the chart, greyed out, you can also see Tampa just rocketing past the rest of the world, way above the pack.

And Winnipeg is also pulling away from the crowd but in a much more fun way.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on January 15, 2020, 02:42:28 PM
Kind of fun that Vegas would can their quite good coach who was getting pooped by goaltending to replace him with a much less good coach who got previously canned for poopy goaltending.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on January 15, 2020, 03:12:33 PM
Quote from: herman on January 15, 2020, 02:40:57 PM
And Winnipeg is also pulling away from the crowd but in a much more fun way.

https://twitter.com/ChartingHockey/status/1216767746052173830

Looks like a fun slide! Wheee!
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on January 15, 2020, 04:01:46 PM
Expressed a slightly different way
https://twitter.com/mackinawstats/status/1216871122848944133
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on January 15, 2020, 04:11:12 PM
Winnipeg's the only team to have not crossed into the >50% half of those charts. That incredible. It's a miracle that they might make the playoffs, because, they're really not good.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 15, 2020, 04:17:19 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on January 15, 2020, 04:11:12 PM
Winnipeg's the only team to have not crossed into the >50% half of those charts. That incredible. It's a miracle that they might make the playoffs, because, they're really not good.

When some people were discussing Vezina nominees the other week I don't think Hellebuyck was even brought up but he'd be my pick basically for this reason.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on January 15, 2020, 04:38:18 PM
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-fallout-bombshell-devils-knights-firings/

The kick off piece about Shero's situation is fun
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 15, 2020, 04:46:12 PM
Quote from: herman on January 15, 2020, 04:38:18 PM
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-fallout-bombshell-devils-knights-firings/

The kick off piece about Shero's situation is fun

Ah once again analytics people are blamed for a good hockey man losing his job.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Frank E on January 15, 2020, 07:07:36 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 07, 2020, 12:21:06 PM
Must have been really tough to decide between him and DeBoer.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on January 30, 2020, 08:13:46 PM
https://twitter.com/njdevills/status/1222944964260376576
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 30, 2020, 08:30:14 PM
Welcome to fake tweets from 6 hours ago herman
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Nik on January 30, 2020, 08:44:53 PM

The New Jersey Devills are my favourite squadron.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on January 30, 2020, 08:55:58 PM
It's my favourite followw
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Hobbes on February 12, 2020, 02:26:49 PM
Maurice gets to remain employed for a few more years in Winnipeg. I'm glad...I've always liked him.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 12, 2020, 02:30:56 PM
Quote from: Hobbes on February 12, 2020, 02:26:49 PM
Maurice gets to remain employed for a few more years in Winnipeg. I'm glad...I've always liked him.

Winnipeg's gotten out of the 1st round just once in five years under Maurice. Missed the playoffs twice. Could miss it this year. I'm not saying that's all his fault, but it's odd for a team to commit to a coach with that track record. Especially since they're currently out of a playoff spot.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 14, 2020, 12:16:17 PM
https://twitter.com/mnwild/status/1228349989946056704

Yes Minnesota's problems are definitely coaching related and not the fault of their entire crappy roster.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 14, 2020, 12:21:45 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1228350925028364288

(https://nhl.bamcontent.com/images/photos/308591466/1024x576/cut.jpg)

(Guerin and Weight managed to play together on 3 different NHL teams during their playing career, plus multiple appearances together internationally)
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on February 14, 2020, 01:17:00 PM
At least Boudreau can now focus on cheering on the Leafs with their playoff push
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on February 14, 2020, 02:24:05 PM
Can we add him as an Associate coach for managing our defensive system pls
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Frank E on February 14, 2020, 02:29:36 PM
Quote from: herman on February 14, 2020, 02:24:05 PM
Can we add him as an Associate coach for managing our defensive system pls

No joke.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: princedpw on February 14, 2020, 05:34:42 PM
Quote from: Frank E on February 14, 2020, 02:29:36 PM
Quote from: herman on February 14, 2020, 02:24:05 PM
Can we add him as an Associate coach for managing our defensive system pls

No joke.

Yes.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Highlander on February 14, 2020, 10:00:38 PM
Boudreau and Carlisle can now spend there time polishing each others heads to a nice glossy glean.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: hockeyfan1 on March 02, 2020, 02:56:17 PM
An "antiquated" system that needs refurbishment:


Quote"The easiest way to frame it is an unwillingness to consider -- let alone listen -- to anybody who isn't widely known by the hiring manager, whether it's the GM, the [assistant] GM, owner, or whoever is running the search," Glasberg said. "Which I think is selling themselves short. Why wouldn't you want to talk to as many qualified people as possible? Instead, most NHL teams have this 'hire-a-friend' mentality. I hear this from my guys all the time: 'It's not the best candidate that gets hired. It's the candidate with the best network or who is the best known.' That's not how you build success. No company would ever be successful if they were just hiring people they knew."

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Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on July 08, 2020, 10:50:14 PM
https://twitter.com/kevinweekes/status/1280990513525596161
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on July 09, 2020, 03:28:44 PM
Quote from: herman on July 08, 2020, 10:50:14 PM
https://twitter.com/kevinweekes/status/1280990513525596161

https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1281251497867726848
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on August 23, 2020, 12:25:56 PM
https://twitter.com/capitals/status/1297548922106388482
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Guilt Trip on August 23, 2020, 05:47:27 PM
Seeing they want an experienced guy who can crack the whip, I wouldnt be surprised if Boudreau goes back to Washington. He fits the bill.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: L K on August 24, 2020, 07:08:34 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on August 23, 2020, 05:47:27 PM
Seeing they want an experienced guy who can crack the whip, I wouldnt be surprised if Boudreau goes back to Washington. He fits the bill.

Washington doesn't like paying their coaches.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Guilt Trip on August 24, 2020, 09:14:46 AM
Quote from: L K on August 24, 2020, 07:08:34 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on August 23, 2020, 05:47:27 PM
Seeing they want an experienced guy who can crack the whip, I wouldn't be surprised if Boudreau goes back to Washington. He fits the bill.

Washington doesn't like paying their coaches.
Good point but some of those "experienced" coaches available, that they apparently want, make some good coin. Babs, Gallant, Laviolette. Out of that list I think Gallant fits.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on September 02, 2020, 10:32:43 AM
https://twitter.com/FlaPanthers/status/1301158009394081793
RIP Ekblad to the Leafs for Gauthier
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on September 15, 2020, 08:21:22 AM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1305842584925999106
https://twitter.com/darrendreger/status/1305843902495285249
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 15, 2020, 08:26:54 AM
This definitely made the most sense. Gallant was too players coach-y, Babcock was too Babcocky, Laviolette is just enough of a veteran ass to provide the push Washington seemed to want.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 15, 2020, 08:39:59 AM
Wait was this the only coach vacancy left? Aside from Seattle of course. Am I missing another team?

I believe Dallas and San Jose both just have interim coaches at the moment. Bowness has definitely earned the full time job in Dallas, it just seems it's a matter of him confirming he'll be back. Boughner is likely keeping the job in San Jose is sounds like.

I can't really see anyone else firing their coach at this point... Boudreau wyd...
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on September 15, 2020, 08:42:00 AM
Rick Bowness in the Stanley Cup final.  I was in grade 12 when he was an assistant in Winnipeg with Dan Maloney.  What the hell is going on?  :D
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 15, 2020, 09:15:22 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on September 15, 2020, 08:39:59 AM
Wait was this the only coach vacancy left? Aside from Seattle of course. Am I missing another team?

I believe Dallas and San Jose both just have interim coaches at the moment. Bowness has definitely earned the full time job in Dallas, it just seems it's a matter of him confirming he'll be back. Boughner is likely keeping the job in San Jose is sounds like.

I can't really see anyone else firing their coach at this point... Boudreau wyd...
Maybe if Dallas wins he retires?? He's only 65 so probably not....I that means Boudreau is coming here! Of course the Leafs have to be interested but if they did in fact ask for permission to talk with him it would say they are.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on September 15, 2020, 09:17:08 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on September 15, 2020, 08:39:59 AM
I can't really see anyone else firing their coach at this point... Boudreau wyd...

I can see Pittsburgh potentially making a change, though I'll grant it's unlikely. The Jets and the Habs should probably consider changes, but I don't think they will this offseason.

Everyone else seems pretty safe.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 15, 2020, 09:38:17 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on September 15, 2020, 09:17:08 AM
I can see Pittsburgh potentially making a change, though I'll grant it's unlikely. The Jets and the Habs should probably consider changes, but I don't think they will this offseason.

Everyone else seems pretty safe.

Pittsburgh replacing their assistants but not Sullivan pretty much confirms he's at least starting their season as head coach.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on September 15, 2020, 09:39:22 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on September 15, 2020, 09:38:17 AM
Pittsburgh replacing their assistants but not Sullivan pretty much confirms he's at least starting their season as head coach.

Yeah, I forgot about that. Does indicate he's on a short leash, though. Good chance he doesn't make it through the 20/21 season, if/when it happens.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Frank E on September 15, 2020, 09:57:07 AM
Quote from: Zee on September 15, 2020, 08:42:00 AM
Rick Bowness in the Stanley Cup final.  I was in grade 12 when he was an assistant in Winnipeg with Dan Maloney.  What the hell is going on?  :D

I've been kind of cheering for Dallas because of Rick Bowness. 

I'm actually not sure that he even wants the head coaching job permanently. 
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 15, 2020, 10:05:05 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on September 15, 2020, 09:17:08 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on September 15, 2020, 08:39:59 AM
I can't really see anyone else firing their coach at this point... Boudreau wyd...

I can see Pittsburgh potentially making a change, though I'll grant it's unlikely. The Jets and the Habs should probably consider changes, but I don't think they will this offseason.

Everyone else seems pretty safe.
I don't see Julien or Maurice going anywhere. Maurice just signed an extension in Feb for 3 more years at 3 mill per. Claude has 2 years left at 5 mill per.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on September 15, 2020, 10:25:51 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on September 15, 2020, 10:05:05 AM
I don't see Julien or Maurice going anywhere. Maurice just signed an extension in Feb for 3 more years at 3 mill per. Claude has 2 years left at 5 mill per.

Like I said, I don't think they're going anywhere, either. I just think those two teams should really be considering a coaching change.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 15, 2020, 10:36:21 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on September 15, 2020, 10:25:51 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on September 15, 2020, 10:05:05 AM
I don't see Julien or Maurice going anywhere. Maurice just signed an extension in Feb for 3 more years at 3 mill per. Claude has 2 years left at 5 mill per.

Like I said, I don't think they're going anywhere, either. I just think those two teams should really be considering a coaching change.

Gotcha..I actually think St Louis should consider dumping Berube for that idiotic move of putting Biddington back in net for game 7 when he clearly sucked. It was an idiotic move and probably cost St Louis the seires.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on September 15, 2020, 02:50:38 PM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1305928776862363649
:-X

Kitchen is a longtime assistant of Quenneville's. Has replaced him behind the bench after Q was fired in St. Louis. Was fired out from under Quenneville towards the end of his Chicago days.

i.e. Kitchen did something pretty not good post-Bill Peters; Florida was originally willing to muzzle it. New GM is not about that garbage.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 15, 2020, 05:43:33 PM
Quote from: herman on September 15, 2020, 02:50:38 PM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1305928776862363649
:-X

Kitchen is a longtime assistant of Quenneville's. Has replaced him behind the bench after Q was fired in St. Louis. Was fired out from under Quenneville towards the end of his Chicago days.

i.e. Kitchen did something pretty not good post-Bill Peters; Florida was originally willing to muzzle it. New GM is not about that garbage.
He'll probably just retire.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on September 16, 2020, 02:18:41 PM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1306285690393710597
Current AGM of the St. Louis Blues, who is amazingly not related to Doug.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 16, 2020, 02:54:40 PM
(https://media.tenor.com/images/ad2dfa072af7173cc532bf343b506b58/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on September 16, 2020, 06:26:54 PM
https://twitter.com/stlouisblues/status/1306344190402596866
Look who?s already back
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 27, 2020, 11:39:17 AM
The Athletic is reporting that Dale Tallon is a candidate to join the Penguins in some capacity, which is freaking amazing.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on January 19, 2021, 04:26:04 PM
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1351626097000116226
https://twitter.com/junotheleafs/status/1351626711192899591
PR LeBrun
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 19, 2021, 04:43:48 PM
Thanks for the find Herman.  I don't recall reading that he posted it for the team. I recall reading he showed the list and that's exactly what he did.
End of the day I don't buy his excuse. He took a private conversation between a player and a coach and used what was said/written to try and "motivate" Bozak.
I think Babs should have aired it out with the team regardless of Mitch's decline. Easy enough to explain what a jerk you were and how you screwed him. It probably would have went a long way in the respect game.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 19, 2021, 05:03:25 PM
QuoteBabcock said he offered right then and there to Marner to air out the coach's mistake with the team. Marner declined. But for those who said Babcock went into the dressing room and posted Marner's list up for all to see, that's not true, Babcock said.

Was this ever part of the original reporting? I mean I could be wrong but I really don't recall anyone saying that he literally went and posted Marner's list for everyone to see. And I checked a couple of the original stories and didn't find that there either. Maybe I just missed it, but Babcock's central defence here is that he didn't do something that nobody accused him of doing.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Nik on January 19, 2021, 07:00:56 PM

Yeah I remember it as being that he showed Bozak and Kadri, who Marner had singled out for a lack of effort. Not that he just posted it for everyone.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: L K on January 20, 2021, 10:50:00 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 19, 2021, 05:03:25 PM
QuoteBabcock said he offered right then and there to Marner to air out the coach's mistake with the team. Marner declined. But for those who said Babcock went into the dressing room and posted Marner's list up for all to see, that's not true, Babcock said.

Was this ever part of the original reporting? I mean I could be wrong but I really don't recall anyone saying that he literally went and posted Marner's list for everyone to see. And I checked a couple of the original stories and didn't find that there either. Maybe I just missed it, but Babcock's central defence here is that he didn't do something that nobody accused him of doing.

I kind of feel like doing that with Mitch, then showing it to Bozak and seeing Bozak get pissed off and then recognizing 'oh that wasn't a good idea' isn't really all that great of "hey the story was overblown" kind of thing.  And what coach thinks that going to a rookie you just threw under the bus, and then standing up in the dressing room and trying to protect him from something that is obviously not going to be taken well fixes the problem. 

"Hey, umm guys, so I know Mitchy said you don't work hard and stuff, but umm lay off the guy and ah it's on me guys"

Pretty sure that doesn't put the fire out.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on January 25, 2021, 03:42:48 PM
https://twitter.com/TSNHockey/status/1353784140320137217
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Highlander on January 27, 2021, 01:34:17 PM
Quote from: herman on January 25, 2021, 03:42:48 PM
https://twitter.com/TSNHockey/status/1353784140320137217
This is one story, where I would really like to know what happened (in detail), seems to be a lot of clandestine stuff for sure.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 27, 2021, 02:41:48 PM
https://twitter.com/penguins/status/1354499427533266950

Tanked Pittsburgh's defence and then said "peace out".

edit: ok but in all seriousness I hope everything is well with him.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on January 27, 2021, 02:44:50 PM
I hope he's okay. But he did just get replaced by a younger copy.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Highlander on January 27, 2021, 03:16:41 PM
Hope Jim is Ok heath wise. Man he seems to have been around forever.  Even a Leaf goalie at one point.  Jeez.
Oh Penguins, I heard Mark Hunter is available!
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: caveman on January 27, 2021, 04:19:22 PM
He always made trade season interesting...
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on January 27, 2021, 04:25:12 PM
https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1354523783139364865
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on January 28, 2021, 11:40:06 AM
https://twitter.com/colin_dunlap/status/1354771426151161859
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ImportantZealousHerring-small.gif)
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: L K on January 28, 2021, 12:20:43 PM
Quote from: herman on January 28, 2021, 11:40:06 AM
https://twitter.com/colin_dunlap/status/1354771426151161859
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ImportantZealousHerring-small.gif)

If they traded Letang think of all the Jack Johnson's he could have acquired.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 28, 2021, 12:22:48 PM
I'm skeptical about that since morning radio show hosts generally aren't the most connected people in the sports world. But I mean I think something must be up here so I guess it's possible.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on January 28, 2021, 12:25:08 PM
I just like drama
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on January 28, 2021, 12:32:18 PM
Where there's smoke, there's usually fire. Whether it's a Letang trade or some other significant deal that management wanted to kibosh, it's easy to believe there was a philosophical split between JR and ownership.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Groundskeeper Willie on January 28, 2021, 12:40:55 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on January 28, 2021, 12:32:18 PM
Where there's smoke, there's usually fire. Whether it's a Letang trade or some other significant deal that management wanted to kibosh, it's easy to believe there was a philosophical split between JR and ownership.
I have Letang in my hockey pool so I know all about his troubles, but I don't see how this could have helped Pittsburgh at all. Between his NTC and teams limited cap space, who would the suitors even be? Boston maybe? Sending him to a division rival for futures isn't going to improve their chances for the remainder of their limited window.

If they're trying to make a hockey trade options would be even more limited. Swapping him for Yandle+ isn't going to move the needle the way Letang finding his game again would.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on January 28, 2021, 12:51:57 PM
Quote from: Crake on January 28, 2021, 12:40:55 PM
If they're trying to make a hockey trade options would be even more limited. Swapping him for Yandle+ isn't going to move the needle the way Letang finding his game again would.

Considering the combination and injuries, I wouldn't bank on Letang finding his game enough that it would move the needle much, either. In fact, adding Yandle now would definitely be a faster boost to the team, and possibly similar over the long-term. His age and point production are similar, but he's shown himself to be much more durable. He's not as good defensively, but Letang's effectiveness is diminishing there, too.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Groundskeeper Willie on January 28, 2021, 01:08:41 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on January 28, 2021, 12:51:57 PM
Quote from: Crake on January 28, 2021, 12:40:55 PM
If they're trying to make a hockey trade options would be even more limited. Swapping him for Yandle+ isn't going to move the needle the way Letang finding his game again would.

Considering the combination and injuries, I wouldn't bank on Letang finding his game enough that it would move the needle much, either. In fact, adding Yandle now would definitely be a faster boost to the team, and possibly similar over the long-term. His age and point production are similar, but he's shown himself to be much more durable. He's not as good defensively, but Letang's effectiveness is diminishing there, too.
Letang isn't the player he used to be, but neither is Yandle. One guy can still play top pair minutes on a good team, the other can barely crack a roster outside of his power play time.

The athletic is now reporting it's more about personnel decisions in management rather than player moves. The firing of Karmanos and hiring of Dale Tallon especially seemed to be things Rutherford was strongly against and forced into.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 28, 2021, 01:28:23 PM
Quote from: Crake on January 28, 2021, 01:08:41 PM
The athletic is now reporting it's more about personnel decisions in management rather than player moves. The firing of Karmanos and hiring of Dale Tallon especially seemed to be things Rutherford was strongly against and forced into.

Small note, it was the potential hiring of Dale Talon that Rutherford was strongly against, it didn't end up happening. But yeah I remember when the report came out that they were considering hiring him and as hilarious as it would have been it clearly made no sense.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on January 28, 2021, 02:56:45 PM
That AHL coaching lawsuit is a doozie
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on January 29, 2021, 09:57:51 AM
Has Pierre McGuire put his application in for Penguins GM?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: L K on January 29, 2021, 11:08:23 AM
Quote from: herman on January 28, 2021, 02:56:45 PM
That AHL coaching lawsuit is a doozie

Eesh that's pretty ugly if true.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on February 09, 2021, 01:29:24 PM
Ron Hextall, famous Philadelphia Flyer and one-time GM, becoming the Pittsburgh Penguins' new GM is the ultimate saboteur.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 09, 2021, 03:17:01 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1359219305007751169

lol
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Dappleganger on February 09, 2021, 03:18:14 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 09, 2021, 03:17:01 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1359219305007751169

lol

Okay there Freeg.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Bender on February 09, 2021, 03:18:27 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 09, 2021, 03:17:01 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1359219305007751169

lol

I would've missed him if he wasn't such a scowling troll most nights.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 09, 2021, 03:23:40 PM
Quote from: Dappleganger on February 09, 2021, 03:18:14 PM
Okay there Freeg.

He's gotta make sure he's first on Burke's list when something needs to get leaked.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on February 09, 2021, 03:29:33 PM
Quote from: Bender on February 09, 2021, 03:18:27 PM
I would've missed him if he wasn't such a scowling troll most nights.

That, and his ridiculous hairdo. Like, what's with the slicked back hair helmet?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: louisstamos on February 09, 2021, 03:30:12 PM
Think Burkie will make a move for Nylander?  ;D
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 09, 2021, 03:39:17 PM
From November:

Quote from: https://thehockeywriters.com/brian-burke-penguins-championship-window-closed/Burke, who admitted his love and admiration for Penguins general manager Jim Rutherford, was speaking with ex-Penguin and co-host of the podcast, Ryan Whitney and had this to say about the current state of the franchise:

"It is the same thing Jimmy Rutherford is saying in Pittsburgh "I've got two elite players we're not going to a total rebuild were gonna try and win." I don't think Pittsburgh is good enough to win. No matter what they do now with their cap situation I think that window has closed, for me. I love Jimmy Rutherford, you know that, but I look in the East and I say are they better than Tampa? Nope. Are they better than Washington? Nope. Are they better than Boston? Nope."

The bold takes continued as Burke would also go on to say the Penguins "are not close to championship caliber" during his guest appearance.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on February 09, 2021, 03:45:35 PM
Quote from: louisstamos on February 09, 2021, 03:30:12 PM
Think Burkie will make a move for Nylander?  ;D

Depends. How many future 1st round picks is he willing to trade? :P
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: cabber24 on February 09, 2021, 04:04:37 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 09, 2021, 03:39:17 PM
From November:

Quote from: https://thehockeywriters.com/brian-burke-penguins-championship-window-closed/Burke, who admitted his love and admiration for Penguins general manager Jim Rutherford, was speaking with ex-Penguin and co-host of the podcast, Ryan Whitney and had this to say about the current state of the franchise:

"It is the same thing Jimmy Rutherford is saying in Pittsburgh "I've got two elite players we're not going to a total rebuild were gonna try and win." I don't think Pittsburgh is good enough to win. No matter what they do now with their cap situation I think that window has closed, for me. I love Jimmy Rutherford, you know that, but I look in the East and I say are they better than Tampa? Nope. Are they better than Washington? Nope. Are they better than Boston? Nope."

The bold takes continued as Burke would also go on to say the Penguins "are not close to championship caliber" during his guest appearance.
Wow, that's quite the quote from their current hire for president of hockey ops.

Crosby to COL and Malkin to WSH.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Highlander on February 09, 2021, 04:33:40 PM
Quote from: Bender on February 09, 2021, 03:18:27 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 09, 2021, 03:17:01 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1359219305007751169

lol

I would've missed him if he wasn't such a scowling troll most nights.
Its good because outside of his comments I thought he had transformed into the Crypt keeper.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: cabber24 on February 09, 2021, 04:57:16 PM
Quote from: Highlander on February 09, 2021, 04:33:40 PM
Quote from: Bender on February 09, 2021, 03:18:27 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 09, 2021, 03:17:01 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1359219305007751169

lol

I would've missed him if he wasn't such a scowling troll most nights.
Its good because outside of his comments I thought he had transformed into the Crypt keeper.
I appreciated "in real-time" his pugnacity, testosterone, truculence and belligerence.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Joe on February 09, 2021, 07:15:20 PM
I?m happy that I don?t need to hear his same stories over and over on the radio anymore.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: . on February 09, 2021, 09:09:51 PM
I guess I'm on an island upon which I've a lot of respect for Burke. Sure, he didn't exactly transform the leafs into much, but the league is a lot more interesting with him in it.

Now I expect his first moves will be to trade Pitts first rounder for the 22 and 23 drafts for Phil Kessel.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 09, 2021, 09:41:30 PM
Quote from: Frycer14 on February 09, 2021, 09:09:51 PM
I guess I'm on an island upon which I've a lot of respect for Burke. Sure, he didn't exactly transform the leafs into much, but the league is a lot more interesting with him in it.

Now I expect his first moves will be to trade Pitts first rounder for the 22 and 23 drafts for Phil Kessel.
Agree with you. He's an interesting person. Apparently his book is excellent as well. I'll miss him ripping the zebras lol.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on February 09, 2021, 10:22:08 PM
Quote from: Frycer14 on February 09, 2021, 09:09:51 PM
I guess I'm on an island upon which I've a lot of respect for Burke. Sure, he didn't exactly transform the leafs into much, but the league is a lot more interesting with him in it.

Now I expect his first moves will be to trade Pitts first rounder for the 22 and 23 drafts for Phil Kessel.

He adds intrigue when he?s part of a management team. He?s not good as a talking head/commentator.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Bender on February 09, 2021, 11:53:56 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on February 09, 2021, 09:41:30 PM
Quote from: Frycer14 on February 09, 2021, 09:09:51 PM
I guess I'm on an island upon which I've a lot of respect for Burke. Sure, he didn't exactly transform the leafs into much, but the league is a lot more interesting with him in it.

Now I expect his first moves will be to trade Pitts first rounder for the 22 and 23 drafts for Phil Kessel.
Agree with you. He's an interesting person. Apparently his book is excellent as well. I'll miss him ripping the zebras lol.
I did enjoy his book actually, but he's just too pig headed for his own good.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on February 10, 2021, 11:51:30 AM
So Sam Bennett to the Penguins, right?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on February 10, 2021, 11:57:11 AM
Quote from: herman on February 10, 2021, 11:51:30 AM
So Sam Bennett to the Penguins, right?

You think Burkie will put up with the quarantine issues for one his first acquisitions?

Or, maybe he doesn't care, and plucks all the players from Canadian teams that want out or are publicly on the block - Mete, Bennett, and Virtanen.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Groundskeeper Willie on February 10, 2021, 12:01:15 PM
Quote from: herman on February 10, 2021, 11:51:30 AM
So Sam Bennett to the Penguins, right?
Is Bennett a viable third line centre? That's one of Pittsburgh's biggest needs, but I see Calgary has had him on the wing a lot
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Groundskeeper Willie on February 10, 2021, 12:02:13 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 10, 2021, 11:57:11 AM
Quote from: herman on February 10, 2021, 11:51:30 AM
So Sam Bennett to the Penguins, right?

You think Burkie will put up with the quarantine issues for one his first acquisitions?

Or, maybe he doesn't care, and plucks all the players from Canadian teams that want out or are publicly on the block - Mete, Bennett, and Virtanen.
I bet Virtanen has the best odds of the three, as long as Vancouver's asking price isn't way out of line
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on February 11, 2021, 04:00:30 PM
https://twitter.com/JShannonhl/status/1359928571284705280
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/64/67/20/64672078d9f9c0d94fba2f0c627251f2.gif)
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: L K on February 11, 2021, 05:11:54 PM
So did Sullivan just quit because he kept getting pushed off the side or is Arizona just insanely cheap and didn't want to pay him to do nothing and tried to just make his job as miserable as possible to get him to want to leave?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on February 11, 2021, 05:28:40 PM
Quote from: L K on February 11, 2021, 05:11:54 PM
So did Sullivan just quit because he kept getting pushed off the side or is Arizona just insanely cheap and didn't want to pay him to do nothing and tried to just make his job as miserable as possible to get him to want to leave?

This is being described specifically as a termination.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Peter D. on February 11, 2021, 05:50:57 PM
Can the Coyotes be moved, like, 10 years ago already.  Geez I hate that franchise.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Deebo on March 05, 2021, 01:56:12 AM
Ward is out and Darryl Sutter is back in Calgary.

https://twitter.com/NHLFlames/status/1367713800279846919

Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Peter D. on March 05, 2021, 02:16:38 AM
Am I missing something with Sutter? Has he been at all relevant lately?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on March 05, 2021, 02:26:26 AM
Time is a flat circle
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2021, 09:23:25 AM
I can't believe Treliving is still the one that gets to make these calls. This would be his 5th coach (4th hire).
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on March 05, 2021, 10:20:07 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2021, 09:23:25 AM
I can't believe Treliving is still the one that gets to make these calls. This would be his 5th coach (4th hire).

Who is he related to
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2021, 11:11:21 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2021, 09:23:25 AM
I can't believe Treliving is still the one that gets to make these calls. This would be his 5th coach (4th hire).

With Sutter being the guy brought in, part of me wonders if Treliving was really the one who made this call. 4 coaching changes in 7 years is a crazy amount.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on March 05, 2021, 11:31:57 AM
Amazing that the 2 teams battling for 4th right now both fired their coaches.  Calgary had to respond to the Habs move to get that new coach bounce!
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2021, 02:29:39 PM
Quote from: herman on March 05, 2021, 10:20:07 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2021, 09:23:25 AM
I can't believe Treliving is still the one that gets to make these calls. This would be his 5th coach (4th hire).

Who is he related to

So I actually checked this, not expecting to find anything interesting at all, and then realized that his dad is Jim Treliving aka the almost-billionaire owner of Boston's Pizza/guy from Canada's Dragons Den.

Brad's pretty much only in hockey management because in the 90s his dad was bored/rich and wanted to own a minor hockey league so he created one and let Brad run it. Bob Nicholson was also his neighbour growing up and he's who recommended him to the Coyotes for his first NHL gig.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on March 05, 2021, 02:51:07 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2021, 02:29:39 PM
Quote from: herman on March 05, 2021, 10:20:07 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2021, 09:23:25 AM
I can't believe Treliving is still the one that gets to make these calls. This would be his 5th coach (4th hire).

Who is he related to

So I actually checked this, not expecting to find anything interesting at all, and then realized that his dad is Jim Treliving aka the almost-billionaire owner of Boston's Pizza/guy from Canada's Dragons Den.

Brad's pretty much only in hockey management because in the 90s his dad was bored/rich and wanted to own a minor hockey league so he created one and let Brad run it. Bob Nicholson was also his neighbour growing up and he's who recommended him to the Coyotes for his first NHL gig.

He's also 6'4" all game, so you know they just can't resist that allure.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Rob on March 05, 2021, 05:02:43 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2021, 02:29:39 PM
Quote from: herman on March 05, 2021, 10:20:07 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2021, 09:23:25 AM
I can't believe Treliving is still the one that gets to make these calls. This would be his 5th coach (4th hire).

Who is he related to

So I actually checked this, not expecting to find anything interesting at all, and then realized that his dad is Jim Treliving aka the almost-billionaire owner of Boston's Pizza/guy from Canada's Dragons Den.

Brad's pretty much only in hockey management because in the 90s his dad was bored/rich and wanted to own a minor hockey league so he created one and let Brad run it. Bob Nicholson was also his neighbour growing up and he's who recommended him to the Coyotes for his first NHL gig.

Must get wicked deals on team pizza parties.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Highlander on March 05, 2021, 05:58:54 PM
Quote from: Rob on March 05, 2021, 05:02:43 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2021, 02:29:39 PM
Quote from: herman on March 05, 2021, 10:20:07 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2021, 09:23:25 AM
I can't believe Treliving is still the one that gets to make these calls. This would be his 5th coach (4th hire).

Who is he related to

So I actually checked this, not expecting to find anything interesting at all, and then realized that his dad is Jim Treliving aka the almost-billionaire owner of Boston's Pizza/guy from Canada's Dragons Den.

Brad's pretty much only in hockey management because in the 90s his dad was bored/rich and wanted to own a minor hockey league so he created one and let Brad run it. Bob Nicholson was also his neighbour growing up and he's who recommended him to the Coyotes for his first NHL gig.

Must get wicked deals on team pizza parties.
My son and I went to Pearson to pick up my wife at Terminal 3 (a few years back) and who comes out the door but Jimmy T the Dragon hisself.  The guy is huge, tall and he is rich enough to travel in a really funky leisure suite. Reeked of Johnny LaRue, the King would have been proud.  Supposedly he is a bastard to work for.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 17, 2021, 08:35:20 AM
https://twitter.com/BuffaloSabres/status/1372161544151306241
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 17, 2021, 08:40:40 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 17, 2021, 08:35:20 AM
https://twitter.com/BuffaloSabres/status/1372161544151306241

That's a look of relief on his face.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 17, 2021, 09:02:33 AM
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1372171014055075845

My "Kevyn Adams isn't a puppet GM" T-shirt has people asking a lot of questions already answered by my shirt.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on March 17, 2021, 09:07:58 AM
How they didn't send him on his way after the first month and bring in Bruce is beyond me (Bruce probably don't wanna).
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 17, 2021, 09:11:01 AM
Peter Horachek is ready to take over on a moment's notice.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: L K on March 17, 2021, 09:12:58 AM
Honestly, at this point, why?  You have probably alienated everyone past the point of return at this point.  Why not just continue the disaster of being the worst team ever?  I mean its like a guarantee that your next coach wins coach of the year when they take a 30 point team and come back with a 75 point team.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on March 17, 2021, 09:15:27 AM
Quote from: L K on March 17, 2021, 09:12:58 AM
Honestly, at this point, why?

If the coach has a disastrous relationship with the players (or at least they don't believe he is helping them play to win), then better to rip off that bandaid and get someone else in there to at least look like management is trying.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on March 17, 2021, 09:54:58 AM
Quote from: L K on March 17, 2021, 09:12:58 AM
Honestly, at this point, why?  You have probably alienated everyone past the point of return at this point.  Why not just continue the disaster of being the worst team ever?  I mean its like a guarantee that your next coach wins coach of the year when they take a 30 point team and come back with a 75 point team.

Optics? I don't know, but the team does seem to have played even worse since Krueger was given a vote of confidence, so, maybe there's something going on with the players. Either way, it was an inevitable move, and knowing that, might as well give Krueger the extra time to find a new gig somewhere else (probably back in Europe).
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Deebo on May 05, 2021, 03:04:44 PM
https://twitter.com/NYP_Brooksie/status/1390015050275041281
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on May 05, 2021, 03:05:45 PM
Quote from: Deebo on May 05, 2021, 03:04:44 PM
https://twitter.com/NYP_Brooksie/status/1390015050275041281
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1390017201793605636
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Deebo on May 05, 2021, 03:11:07 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on May 05, 2021, 03:05:45 PM
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1390017201793605636

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Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Bender on May 05, 2021, 03:19:04 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on May 05, 2021, 03:05:45 PM
Quote from: Deebo on May 05, 2021, 03:04:44 PM
https://twitter.com/NYP_Brooksie/status/1390015050275041281
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1390017201793605636
What a gong show ugh.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 05, 2021, 03:35:33 PM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1390015608713097216
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/032/691/Oof_Stones_Banner.jpg)
Quite the cherry to cap off their entire season of yikes.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 05, 2021, 04:19:12 PM
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1390018917104603146

Lafreniere - > Team finished 18th in the league and won the lottery to pick 1st
Kakko - > Team finished 26th in the league and the lottery bumped them up to the 2nd pick
Fox - > New York native told two different teams that he wasn't signing with them because he wanted to be a Ranger

Now every successful team eventually gets a little lucky on the way but that feels pretty extreme. No other rebuild was largely based around a team getting bumped up 17 spots due to the lottery and having a pretty highly ranked 21-year old essentially pick you as a free agent.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on May 05, 2021, 04:26:23 PM
Drury is promoted to president and GM.   I can just see his opening press conference:

"I just want to say how much respect I have for the fine people in the DOPS...."
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Nik on May 05, 2021, 04:27:36 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 05, 2021, 04:19:12 PM
Lafreniere - > Team finished 18th in the league and won the lottery to pick 1st
Kakko - > Team finished 26th in the league and the lottery bumped them up to the 2nd pick
Fox - > New York native told two different teams that he wasn't signing with them because he wanted to be a Ranger

Now every successful team eventually gets a little lucky on the way but that feels pretty extreme. No other rebuild was largely based around a team getting bumped up 17 spots due to the lottery and having a pretty highly ranked 21-year old essentially pick you as a free agent.

I don't really disagree but it's not like Kakko and Lafreniere right now are contributing a huge amount either. Their eventual development is coming on top of an already decent-ish group.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 05, 2021, 04:36:54 PM
Quote from: Nik on May 05, 2021, 04:27:36 PM
I don't really disagree but it's not like Kakko and Lafreniere right now are contributing a huge amount either. Their eventual development is coming on top of an already decent-ish group.

For sure. They aren't at a contender stage yet but I don't think people would be putting up the 'Mission Accomplished' banner in terms of their rebuild if they drafted 14th in 2020 and 6th in 2019.

If they had to rank their top-25 under-25 right now I'd imagine Lafreniere, Kakko, Fox, and Shesterkin (who was drafted pre-Gorton) would be ranked 1 through 4 in whatever order. Not saying Gorton is a bad GM but I also don't think he's directly responsible for New York's accelerated rebuild as the original tweet might be suggesting.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 05, 2021, 07:00:16 PM
Looking forward to the Eichel trade to NYR
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on May 09, 2021, 10:26:53 AM
https://twitter.com/Aportzline/status/1391350701968826378

Maybe the real treasure was the enemies he made along the way.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 09, 2021, 11:51:15 AM
One day when he's long past retirement I would love to find out if the "Torts was trying to get himself fired" rumours had any merit to them.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Peter D. on May 09, 2021, 01:24:22 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 09, 2021, 11:51:15 AM
One day when he's long past retirement I would love to find out if the "Torts was trying to get himself fired" rumours had any merit to them.

Wonder if he transitions to a broadcast role. He has the personality to forge a solid post-coaching career if he so chooses.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on May 09, 2021, 01:26:40 PM
Quote from: Peter D. on May 09, 2021, 01:24:22 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 09, 2021, 11:51:15 AM
One day when he's long past retirement I would love to find out if the "Torts was trying to get himself fired" rumours had any merit to them.

Wonder if he transitions to a broadcast role. He has the personality to forge a solid post-coaching career if he so chooses.

He could definitely be an interesting guy in an analyst type role. He's old school, but also has a pretty good grasp on the technical side of the game. Could present an interesting mix of the two.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 09, 2021, 01:55:29 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on May 09, 2021, 01:26:40 PM
Quote from: Peter D. on May 09, 2021, 01:24:22 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 09, 2021, 11:51:15 AM
One day when he's long past retirement I would love to find out if the "Torts was trying to get himself fired" rumours had any merit to them.

Wonder if he transitions to a broadcast role. He has the personality to forge a solid post-coaching career if he so chooses.

He could definitely be an interesting guy in an analyst type role. He's old school, but also has a pretty good grasp on the technical side of the game. Could present an interesting mix of the two.

Well ESPN's hiring...
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Nik on May 09, 2021, 02:19:47 PM
Tortorella has decided he wants to take a step back from the game and spend more time yelling at his family.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on May 09, 2021, 02:44:08 PM
https://twitter.com/TSNHockey/status/1391462696265162757
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: OldTimeHockey on May 10, 2021, 11:23:32 AM
Quote from: Nik on May 09, 2021, 02:19:47 PM
Tortorella has decided he wants to take a step back from the game and spend more time yelling at his family.

This is awesome.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 12, 2021, 10:44:45 AM
And there goes the Rangers coaching staff, as expected. Torts? Boudreau? Gallant? Tocchet?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 12, 2021, 11:00:09 AM
Quote from: herman on May 12, 2021, 10:44:45 AM
And there goes the Rangers coaching staff, as expected. Torts? Boudreau? Gallant? Tocchet?

That seems like a really good spot for Boudreau.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on May 20, 2021, 09:14:08 AM
https://twitter.com/BlueJacketsPR/status/1395363855908450304
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 20, 2021, 09:19:39 AM
The NHL executive layer is made of boomerangs
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on May 21, 2021, 08:44:34 AM
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1395720385577078784
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 21, 2021, 02:20:15 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on May 21, 2021, 08:44:34 AM
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1395720385577078784

I'm stunned that they're sticking with Benning though.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Frank E on May 21, 2021, 02:33:21 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 21, 2021, 02:20:15 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on May 21, 2021, 08:44:34 AM
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1395720385577078784

I'm stunned that they're sticking with Benning though.

Sometimes owners that like to meddle in things prefer puppets. 
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 29, 2021, 10:26:38 PM
https://twitter.com/thealexblair/status/1398397736429309952
Thats former Leaf goaltending coach Brian Daccord jumping the sinking ship
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 14, 2021, 05:30:49 PM
https://twitter.com/nyp_brooksie/status/1404545268960444420
Brad Larsen gets promoted from assistant to head coach in Columbus in a somewhat related move
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Bender on June 14, 2021, 06:20:32 PM
Quote from: herman on May 29, 2021, 10:26:38 PM
https://twitter.com/thealexblair/status/1398397736429309952
Thats former Leaf goaltending coach Brian Daccord jumping the sinking ship
That wasn't very long...
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 14, 2021, 06:59:14 PM
Not sure if you remember from earlier this year
https://twitter.com/katiejstrang/status/1361668220789395458
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1361775543591464961
Just tossing some more fuel on the Michael Bunting flames
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 14, 2021, 08:45:56 PM
https://twitter.com/joeymachockey/status/1404558702254899205
Why wouldn't Melnyk want someone else to pay out Capuano's contract...
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on June 14, 2021, 09:25:22 PM
Quote from: herman on June 14, 2021, 08:45:56 PM
https://twitter.com/joeymachockey/status/1404558702254899205
Why wouldn't Melnyk want someone else to pay out Capuano's contract...

Spite. Not sure which side it's aimed at, but it's spite.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 15, 2021, 02:15:08 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on June 14, 2021, 09:25:22 PM
Quote from: herman on June 14, 2021, 08:45:56 PM
https://twitter.com/joeymachockey/status/1404558702254899205
Why wouldn't Melnyk want someone else to pay out Capuano's contract...

Spite. Not sure which side it's aimed at, but it's spite.

Friedman mentioned that the sens are beefing with Capuano, so, I'm editorializing here: he's their hostage.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 15, 2021, 02:18:31 PM
Quote from: herman on June 14, 2021, 05:30:49 PM
https://twitter.com/nyp_brooksie/status/1404545268960444420

4 year contract with NYR, for the coach who has only ever gone up to 3 seasons with a team before.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: L K on June 17, 2021, 11:27:36 AM
Brind'Amour signs a 3-year extension in Carolina. 
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 29, 2021, 02:26:57 PM
https://twitter.com/BuffaloSabres/status/1409918752137830407
For a second there, I really thought they were going to sharpie out part of the nameplate.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on July 06, 2021, 11:48:11 AM
https://twitter.com/SeattleKraken/status/1412437097470902276
VERY INTERESTING
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 06, 2021, 11:53:39 AM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1258827615231713282

Guess it wasn't that then.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Highlander on July 07, 2021, 02:42:20 PM
Never trust what anyone say, even a trusted coach!  Get Kraken!!
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on July 13, 2021, 01:21:36 PM
https://twitter.com/jeffveillette/status/1414991752453316609
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: OldTimeHockey on July 13, 2021, 07:57:37 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on July 13, 2021, 01:21:36 PM
https://twitter.com/jeffveillette/status/1414991752453316609

3 rounds of trap/collapsing/dump and chase hockey can fool any logical GM with a red suit and beautiful hair.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on July 13, 2021, 08:16:56 PM
It's going to be so great when their fans realize the style of play that allowed the Habs to beat better teams in the playoffs doesn't work over the course of the regular season, when penalties actually (sometimes) get called.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Bender on July 13, 2021, 11:25:49 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on July 13, 2021, 08:16:56 PM
It's going to be so great when their fans realize the style of play that allowed the Habs to beat better teams in the playoffs doesn't work over the course of the regular season, when penalties actually (sometimes) get called.
I mean, you don't even have to care about analytics to realize thats in an obvious losing record with horrible goal differential. Maybe they argue they lost Price for a big chunk but still. The way Dreger spouted off today about how great of a job Ducharme did over the regular season vs. Julien was just moronic.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on July 14, 2021, 08:57:48 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on July 13, 2021, 08:16:56 PM
It's going to be so great when their fans realize the style of play that allowed the Habs to beat better teams in the playoffs doesn't work over the course of the regular season, when penalties actually (sometimes) get called.

This is what I hate about the NHL.  They have a totally different standard of rule enforcement in the playoffs, so much so that a crappy team that wouldn't even qualify for the playoffs over 82 games playing clutch&grab trap type hockey manages to go all the way to the final.  If the NHL wants to promote it's stars, stop letting scrubs get away with anything in the playoffs so that the stars can actually perform.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on July 14, 2021, 09:04:13 AM
Quote from: Zee on July 14, 2021, 08:57:48 AM
This is what I hate about the NHL.  They have a totally different standard of rule enforcement in the playoffs, so much so that a crappy team that wouldn't even qualify for the playoffs over 82 games playing clutch&grab trap type hockey manages to go all the way to the final.  If the NHL wants to promote it's stars, stop letting scrubs get away with anything in the playoffs so that the stars can actually perform.

It is weird how the NHL appears to get more lenient on their standards in the playoffs, while other major leagues tend to get more strict with theirs.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on July 14, 2021, 09:29:29 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on July 14, 2021, 09:04:13 AM
Quote from: Zee on July 14, 2021, 08:57:48 AM
This is what I hate about the NHL.  They have a totally different standard of rule enforcement in the playoffs, so much so that a crappy team that wouldn't even qualify for the playoffs over 82 games playing clutch&grab trap type hockey manages to go all the way to the final.  If the NHL wants to promote it's stars, stop letting scrubs get away with anything in the playoffs so that the stars can actually perform.

It is weird how the NHL appears to get more lenient on their standards in the playoffs, while other major leagues tend to get more strict with theirs.

Yep.  That being said, the Leafs putrid powerplay screwed themselves.  There were a few times in the series they went 0-4 in a game.  Had they had a semi lethal PP it would have gone a long way to discouraging the Habs from taking liberties, and would have won the Leafs the series.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: L K on July 14, 2021, 10:04:20 AM
Quote from: Zee on July 14, 2021, 09:29:29 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on July 14, 2021, 09:04:13 AM
Quote from: Zee on July 14, 2021, 08:57:48 AM
This is what I hate about the NHL.  They have a totally different standard of rule enforcement in the playoffs, so much so that a crappy team that wouldn't even qualify for the playoffs over 82 games playing clutch&grab trap type hockey manages to go all the way to the final.  If the NHL wants to promote it's stars, stop letting scrubs get away with anything in the playoffs so that the stars can actually perform.

It is weird how the NHL appears to get more lenient on their standards in the playoffs, while other major leagues tend to get more strict with theirs.

Yep.  That being said, the Leafs putrid powerplay screwed themselves.  There were a few times in the series they went 0-4 in a game.  Had they had a semi lethal PP it would have gone a long way to discouraging the Habs from taking liberties, and would have won the Leafs the series.

I get that you can't just keep changing the coaches and hope that makes the players work but the lack of any sort of adjustment outside of Sandin coming in late in the season was the only thing they did was infuriating....and then we are coming back with the same core of players and the same fricking assistant coach. 
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: L K on July 14, 2021, 10:10:55 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on July 13, 2021, 01:21:36 PM
https://twitter.com/jeffveillette/status/1414991752453316609

I mean the good news is they really did a great job in the playoffs with their:

xGoal%: 48.77% and -10 goal differential in the playoffs.  They won 13 games and only 4 of them were by more than 1 goal.   Six of their wins came in overtime.

The Leafs had an xGoal% of 56% against Montreal and lost.
(Edmonton had a 57.5% xGoal% and lost against Winnipeg).

I really am starting to dislike the NHL.  I watch less non-Leafs hockey than I ever have in the last few years.  I'm glued to the NBA playoffs (and basketball has its own set of officiating problems).  I don't like how the game is being treated.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on July 14, 2021, 12:03:29 PM
Quote from: L K on July 14, 2021, 10:04:20 AM
Quote from: Zee on July 14, 2021, 09:29:29 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on July 14, 2021, 09:04:13 AM
Quote from: Zee on July 14, 2021, 08:57:48 AM
This is what I hate about the NHL.  They have a totally different standard of rule enforcement in the playoffs, so much so that a crappy team that wouldn't even qualify for the playoffs over 82 games playing clutch&grab trap type hockey manages to go all the way to the final.  If the NHL wants to promote it's stars, stop letting scrubs get away with anything in the playoffs so that the stars can actually perform.

It is weird how the NHL appears to get more lenient on their standards in the playoffs, while other major leagues tend to get more strict with theirs.

Yep.  That being said, the Leafs putrid powerplay screwed themselves.  There were a few times in the series they went 0-4 in a game.  Had they had a semi lethal PP it would have gone a long way to discouraging the Habs from taking liberties, and would have won the Leafs the series.

I get that you can't just keep changing the coaches and hope that makes the players work but the lack of any sort of adjustment outside of Sandin coming in late in the season was the only thing they did was infuriating....and then we are coming back with the same core of players and the same fricking assistant coach.

All points well taken.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on September 15, 2021, 02:51:01 PM
https://twitter.com/theathleticnhl/status/1438210664473022468
Nice
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on September 15, 2021, 03:30:08 PM
Do they have any top tier goalie prospects we can nab for a mediocre RFA goalie?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Highlander on September 15, 2021, 03:47:24 PM
Quote from: herman on September 15, 2021, 02:51:01 PM
https://twitter.com/theathleticnhl/status/1438210664473022468
Nice
I think they made a good hire, JFJ was high up with Boston for 7 years and looks like he did a good job there. 
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Nik on November 06, 2021, 03:55:45 PM

Blackhawks have fired Colliton. Ex-Leaf Derek King gets the interim job.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on November 06, 2021, 04:37:23 PM
Imagine if the Fergler becomes Arizona GM and then signs Matthews in 2 1/2 years from now?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: L K on November 06, 2021, 06:55:37 PM
Quenneville's available.  By NHL standards he probably has been punished enough already
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: OldTimeHockey on November 07, 2021, 10:10:48 AM
Quote from: L K on November 06, 2021, 06:55:37 PM
Quenneville's available.  By NHL standards he probably has been punished enough already

I think they get Babcock and Tortorella to "co-coach". They're both known for treating players well.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on November 07, 2021, 01:25:14 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on November 07, 2021, 10:10:48 AM
Quote from: L K on November 06, 2021, 06:55:37 PM
Quenneville's available.  By NHL standards he probably has been punished enough already

I think they get Babcock and Tortorella to "co-coach". They're both known for treating players well.

Speaking of... guess who has a new random redemption puff piece out
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on November 07, 2021, 03:02:59 PM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1457407701949075464
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: OldTimeHockey on November 08, 2021, 10:11:05 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on November 07, 2021, 03:02:59 PM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1457407701949075464

Perhaps they're considering folding the team.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on November 28, 2021, 02:30:21 PM
https://twitter.com/blueseatblogs/status/1465003233009672205
Scott Mellanby resigned as MTL AGM yesterday after he was ruled out for further consideration the GM or President positions. MTL looking for a francophone GM.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on November 28, 2021, 03:20:12 PM
Quote from: herman on November 28, 2021, 02:30:21 PM
https://twitter.com/blueseatblogs/status/1465003233009672205
Scott Mellanby resigned as MTL AGM yesterday after he was ruled out for further consideration the GM or President positions. MTL looking for a francophone GM.

Of course they are. Their insistence on hiring francophones instead of the best candidates will continue to hold the team back (which I'm okay with).
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on November 28, 2021, 04:30:57 PM
Has there ever been another NHL team that went to the final only to be a total disaster 5 months later and fire their GM/head scout?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on November 28, 2021, 06:00:40 PM
Ah look, the other shoe.

Didn't even let him finish the term after drafting Mailloux. Head scout and Senior VP of PR as well lol

Montreal pulling the trigger before Vancouver is also hilarious

Edit: damming Molson iced him while he was recovering from COVID
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on November 29, 2021, 11:38:30 AM
Quote from: herman on November 28, 2021, 06:00:40 PM
Ah look, the other shoe.

Didn't even let him finish the term after drafting Mailloux. Head scout and Senior VP of PR as well lol

Montreal pulling the trigger before Vancouver is also hilarious

Edit: damming Molson iced him while he was recovering from COVID

As hilarious as it is, and as correct as we were saying the Habs run was all smoke and mirrors, it's still pathetic that the Leafs lost to this team that had no business being in the series with them.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Bender on November 29, 2021, 11:42:52 AM
Quote from: Zee on November 29, 2021, 11:38:30 AM
Quote from: herman on November 28, 2021, 06:00:40 PM
Ah look, the other shoe.

Didn't even let him finish the term after drafting Mailloux. Head scout and Senior VP of PR as well lol

Montreal pulling the trigger before Vancouver is also hilarious

Edit: damming Molson iced him while he was recovering from COVID

As hilarious as it is, and as correct as we were saying the Habs run was all smoke and mirrors, it's still pathetic that the Leafs lost to this team that had no business being in the series with them.
The Leafs weren't the only team that lost to them.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on November 29, 2021, 11:51:39 AM
I think I said it in the run-up to the playoffs: Bergevin built the Canadiens on the tropes of playoff hockey: DEPTH DEPTH DEPTH big boy defense HITTING.

What actually happened was Carey Price got hot, and some of that was thanks to the Leafs giving him a lot of warm-up shots, and also John Tavares getting knocked out early and then the Leafs just taking their foot off the gas completely after 4 games as if they expected a sweep and forget they lost the first game. I do give credit for the style they played: counter punching with rush chances worked for their personnel; they just had to survive onslaughts (hi Carey).
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on November 29, 2021, 12:23:19 PM
Quote from: Bender on November 29, 2021, 11:42:52 AM
Quote from: Zee on November 29, 2021, 11:38:30 AM
Quote from: herman on November 28, 2021, 06:00:40 PM
Ah look, the other shoe.

Didn't even let him finish the term after drafting Mailloux. Head scout and Senior VP of PR as well lol

Montreal pulling the trigger before Vancouver is also hilarious

Edit: damming Molson iced him while he was recovering from COVID

As hilarious as it is, and as correct as we were saying the Habs run was all smoke and mirrors, it's still pathetic that the Leafs lost to this team that had no business being in the series with them.
The Leafs weren't the only team that lost to them.

That doesn't make me feel any better.  Leafs were the only team that had them on the brink of elimination (before Tampa) and choked it away. Not once, but 3 times.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Frank E on November 29, 2021, 03:03:42 PM
That looks like maybe a pretty tough rebuilt there for the habs...lots of long term money, and not much as far as marketable assets to bring a return.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on November 29, 2021, 04:41:12 PM
Quote from: Frank E on November 29, 2021, 03:03:42 PM
That looks like maybe a pretty tough rebuilt there for the habs...lots of long term money, and not much as far as marketable assets to bring a return.

But they have every inch of 5'6" Caufield as their star centerpiece. 
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Guilt Trip on November 29, 2021, 04:51:53 PM
Quote from: Zee on November 29, 2021, 04:41:12 PM
Quote from: Frank E on November 29, 2021, 03:03:42 PM
That looks like maybe a pretty tough rebuilt there for the habs...lots of long term money, and not much as far as marketable assets to bring a return.

But they have every inch of 5'6" Caufield as their star centerpiece. 
First move should be to send him to Laval. I like the kid but he doesn't belong in that mess.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on November 29, 2021, 05:22:26 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on November 29, 2021, 04:51:53 PM
Quote from: Zee on November 29, 2021, 04:41:12 PM
Quote from: Frank E on November 29, 2021, 03:03:42 PM
That looks like maybe a pretty tough rebuilt there for the habs...lots of long term money, and not much as far as marketable assets to bring a return.

But they have every inch of 5'6" Caufield as their star centerpiece. 
First move should be to send him to Laval. I like the kid but he doesn't belong in that mess.

He also hasn't been particularly good this season, and could use more time to develop.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Guilt Trip on November 29, 2021, 05:38:54 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on November 29, 2021, 05:22:26 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on November 29, 2021, 04:51:53 PM
Quote from: Zee on November 29, 2021, 04:41:12 PM
Quote from: Frank E on November 29, 2021, 03:03:42 PM
That looks like maybe a pretty tough rebuilt there for the habs...lots of long term money, and not much as far as marketable assets to bring a return.

But they have every inch of 5'6" Caufield as their star centerpiece. 
First move should be to send him to Laval. I like the kid but he doesn't belong in that mess.

He also hasn't been particularly good this season, and could use more time to develop.
That's a given.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Nik on November 29, 2021, 07:05:07 PM
Quote from: Zee on November 29, 2021, 11:38:30 AMf
As hilarious as it is, and as correct as we were saying the Habs run was all smoke and mirrors, it's still pathetic that the Leafs lost to this team that had no business being in the series with them.

I think the lesson to take from the Habs playoff run(and Islanders and Senators before them) is weird, random stuff can happen in the playoffs. You can say it's pathetic if you want because the Leafs had them on ropes but isn't the implication there that it would somehow be less pathetic if the Leafs had been beaten by the Habs in 5 or 6 like the Knights? Or swept like the Jets?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on November 29, 2021, 10:05:17 PM
Quote from: Nik on November 29, 2021, 07:05:07 PM
Quote from: Zee on November 29, 2021, 11:38:30 AMf
As hilarious as it is, and as correct as we were saying the Habs run was all smoke and mirrors, it's still pathetic that the Leafs lost to this team that had no business being in the series with them.

I think the lesson to take from the Habs playoff run(and Islanders and Senators before them) is weird, random stuff can happen in the playoffs. You can say it's pathetic if you want because the Leafs had them on ropes but isn't the implication there that it would somehow be less pathetic if the Leafs had been beaten by the Habs in 5 or 6 like the Knights? Or swept like the Jets?

If you're not first you're last.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Bender on November 30, 2021, 12:42:58 AM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on November 29, 2021, 10:05:17 PM
Quote from: Nik on November 29, 2021, 07:05:07 PM
Quote from: Zee on November 29, 2021, 11:38:30 AMf
As hilarious as it is, and as correct as we were saying the Habs run was all smoke and mirrors, it's still pathetic that the Leafs lost to this team that had no business being in the series with them.

I think the lesson to take from the Habs playoff run(and Islanders and Senators before them) is weird, random stuff can happen in the playoffs. You can say it's pathetic if you want because the Leafs had them on ropes but isn't the implication there that it would somehow be less pathetic if the Leafs had been beaten by the Habs in 5 or 6 like the Knights? Or swept like the Jets?

If you're not first you're last.
The draft order disagrees with you.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on November 30, 2021, 10:49:18 AM
Quote from: Bender on November 30, 2021, 12:42:58 AM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on November 29, 2021, 10:05:17 PM
Quote from: Nik on November 29, 2021, 07:05:07 PM
Quote from: Zee on November 29, 2021, 11:38:30 AMf
As hilarious as it is, and as correct as we were saying the Habs run was all smoke and mirrors, it's still pathetic that the Leafs lost to this team that had no business being in the series with them.

I think the lesson to take from the Habs playoff run(and Islanders and Senators before them) is weird, random stuff can happen in the playoffs. You can say it's pathetic if you want because the Leafs had them on ropes but isn't the implication there that it would somehow be less pathetic if the Leafs had been beaten by the Habs in 5 or 6 like the Knights? Or swept like the Jets?

If you're not first you're last.
The draft order disagrees with you.

Well, then they can take that up with Ricky Bobby's father.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on December 05, 2021, 09:29:00 PM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1467661508415004676
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on December 05, 2021, 09:46:46 PM
This comes before any announcement of the incumbent being relieved of duties.

Also Vancouver going after former Leafs to coach lol
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on December 06, 2021, 01:01:08 AM
Kind of not surprising the Canucks shakeup is coming out even messier than their on-ice product
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 06, 2021, 10:05:56 AM
https://twitter.com/MrBooth07/status/1467729129281712134

Well worth watching.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 06, 2021, 10:14:11 AM
Good for Boudreau. For all the re-hiring that often happens in the NHL world I was always surprised him and Claude Julien had managed to stay unemployed for as long as they had (granted some of that may have been their own choice possibly). I think he's in a tough spot with Vancouver obviously but to their credit he is being given a pretty decent forward group to work with. Getting Elias Pettersson, who is having just a god awful season right now, back up to speed will be priority #1.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 06, 2021, 11:07:11 AM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1467869974106718212

It's firing season.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 06, 2021, 11:36:47 AM
Was reminded of this post from when the Leafs played Philly a little less than a month ago:

Quote from: bustaheims on November 10, 2021, 01:04:21 PM
Quote from: Highlander on November 10, 2021, 12:58:17 PM
Didn't realize but on paper the Flyers have a pretty good team.

On the ice, they're getting caved in by most possession, expected goals, and scoring chance metrics. They're being propped up by Hart's goaltending. If he regresses in any significant way, they're going to sink like a stone. They are not a good team. They're a poor team with good goaltending.

At that point they started the season 6-2-2 and Hart's Sv% was at .926 while Martin Jones' was at .950 in 3 games.

Since that post they've gone 2-8-2, Carter Hart has a .897 Sv% and 3.46 GAA and Martin Jones has a .897 Sv% and 3.77 GAA.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Joe on December 06, 2021, 12:00:02 PM
So Vancouver hired a new coach before hiring anew GM?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on December 06, 2021, 12:16:30 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 06, 2021, 11:36:47 AM
Was reminded of this post from when the Leafs played Philly a little less than a month ago:

Quote from: bustaheims on November 10, 2021, 01:04:21 PM
Quote from: Highlander on November 10, 2021, 12:58:17 PM
Didn't realize but on paper the Flyers have a pretty good team.

On the ice, they're getting caved in by most possession, expected goals, and scoring chance metrics. They're being propped up by Hart's goaltending. If he regresses in any significant way, they're going to sink like a stone. They are not a good team. They're a poor team with good goaltending.

At that point they started the season 6-2-2 and Hart's Sv% was at .926 while Martin Jones' was at .950 in 3 games.

Since that post they've gone 2-8-2, Carter Hart has a .897 Sv% and 3.46 GAA and Martin Jones has a .897 Sv% and 3.77 GAA.

I should get more involved in prognosticating. ;D
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 06, 2021, 12:58:28 PM
https://twitter.com/thnryankennedy/status/1467890234495016963

Do it!!
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Joe on December 06, 2021, 01:00:27 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on December 06, 2021, 12:58:28 PM
https://twitter.com/thnryankennedy/status/1467890234495016963

Do it!!

Bahaha
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on December 06, 2021, 01:09:46 PM
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/806/095/1cf.jpg)
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: L K on December 06, 2021, 01:23:13 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on December 06, 2021, 12:16:30 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 06, 2021, 11:36:47 AM
Was reminded of this post from when the Leafs played Philly a little less than a month ago:

Quote from: bustaheims on November 10, 2021, 01:04:21 PM
Quote from: Highlander on November 10, 2021, 12:58:17 PM
Didn't realize but on paper the Flyers have a pretty good team.

On the ice, they're getting caved in by most possession, expected goals, and scoring chance metrics. They're being propped up by Hart's goaltending. If he regresses in any significant way, they're going to sink like a stone. They are not a good team. They're a poor team with good goaltending.

At that point they started the season 6-2-2 and Hart's Sv% was at .926 while Martin Jones' was at .950 in 3 games.

Since that post they've gone 2-8-2, Carter Hart has a .897 Sv% and 3.46 GAA and Martin Jones has a .897 Sv% and 3.77 GAA.

I should get more involved in prognosticating. ;D

Canada is going to get goalied if we go to the Olympics...aren't we.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Guilt Trip on December 06, 2021, 01:43:40 PM
Quote from: L K on December 06, 2021, 01:23:13 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on December 06, 2021, 12:16:30 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 06, 2021, 11:36:47 AM
Was reminded of this post from when the Leafs played Philly a little less than a month ago:

Quote from: bustaheims on November 10, 2021, 01:04:21 PM
Quote from: Highlander on November 10, 2021, 12:58:17 PM
Didn't realize but on paper the Flyers have a pretty good team.

On the ice, they're getting caved in by most possession, expected goals, and scoring chance metrics. They're being propped up by Hart's goaltending. If he regresses in any significant way, they're going to sink like a stone. They are not a good team. They're a poor team with good goaltending.

At that point they started the season 6-2-2 and Hart's Sv% was at .926 while Martin Jones' was at .950 in 3 games.

Since that post they've gone 2-8-2, Carter Hart has a .897 Sv% and 3.46 GAA and Martin Jones has a .897 Sv% and 3.77 GAA.

I should get more involved in prognosticating. ;D

Canada is going to get goalied if we go to the Olympics...aren't we.
If they go... probably. I don't see them going. Too many obstacles. I heard CJ talk about it last week...basically, no cell phones, no families, isolated and if you test positive at any point your are in lockdown for 3 weeks of isolation in a hotel room. Could you imagine a player missing 2 weeks of their teams games because of this?
The NHL's only concern should be bums in the seats in North America.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on December 06, 2021, 01:44:57 PM
It does feel less and less likely the NHL won't opt-out, especially with Omicron rearing its head.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 06, 2021, 02:05:29 PM
A good recap of where everything on that stands right now:

https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1467905338729025536

As noted in the article, Lehner has already opted out for Sweden.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Deebo on December 09, 2021, 01:59:16 PM
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1469001997324103683
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Joe on December 09, 2021, 02:15:26 PM
It's too bad they can't hire Burke. That would have been fun.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on December 09, 2021, 02:19:46 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on December 09, 2021, 02:15:26 PM
It's too bad they can't hire Burke. That would have been fun.

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZOsiPl0nPOg/XKIs3ibtBuI/AAAAAAAAKos/KitLK6eSEpwGOUXtK2683d2e3DpPAeIvQCLcBGAs/s1600/flatcircle.jpeg)
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 09, 2021, 05:34:27 PM
https://twitter.com/taj1944/status/1469055017315307522

lol
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Highlander on December 17, 2021, 03:34:51 PM
Maurice steps down as Winnipeg coach, says team needs a new voice.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on January 18, 2022, 10:51:42 AM
https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1483448453497774091
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on January 18, 2022, 11:10:44 AM
https://twitter.com/earlschwartz27/status/1483455398694854664
Hmmmmm
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on January 18, 2022, 12:39:48 PM
Montreal being the place where Francophone players go to retire and keep the team in the mushy middle would be the most hilarious outcome to this whole situation.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on January 18, 2022, 01:20:46 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on January 18, 2022, 12:39:48 PM
Montreal being the place where Francophone players go to retire and keep the team in the mushy middle would be the most hilarious outcome to this whole situation.

I know exactly how that feels too.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on January 19, 2022, 10:36:15 AM
Quote from: herman on January 18, 2022, 11:10:44 AM
https://twitter.com/earlschwartz27/status/1483455398694854664
Hmmmmm

Nobody knows better than Hughes that Bergeron has been underpaid for years, so go ahead and sign with the Habs for $10.5M/year for 8 years
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Dappleganger on January 19, 2022, 01:14:56 PM
Quote from: Zee on January 19, 2022, 10:36:15 AM
Quote from: herman on January 18, 2022, 11:10:44 AM
https://twitter.com/earlschwartz27/status/1483455398694854664
Hmmmmm

Nobody knows better than Hughes that Bergeron has been underpaid for years, so go ahead and sign with the Habs for $10.5M/year for 8 years

LOL.  ;D
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on January 20, 2022, 07:30:44 PM
https://twitter.com/racheldoerrie/status/1484285029677162502
Former Leaf staffer picked up by the Canucks, who are doing their level best to hire the GM last
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on January 24, 2022, 02:45:36 PM
Quote from: herman on January 20, 2022, 07:30:44 PM
the Canucks, who are doing their level best to hire the GM last

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1485681698109014023
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on February 04, 2022, 06:12:31 PM
(https://apprenticeparty.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/LL.png)
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1489690798199537664
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on February 09, 2022, 03:24:37 PM
Ducharme might be relieved soon, in more ways than one.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 09, 2022, 03:55:40 PM
Quote from: herman on February 09, 2022, 03:24:37 PM
Ducharme might be relieved soon, in more ways than one.
It's official now.

https://twitter.com/canadiensmtl/status/1491499112885366785
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Bender on February 09, 2022, 03:58:14 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on February 09, 2022, 03:55:40 PM
Quote from: herman on February 09, 2022, 03:24:37 PM
Ducharme might be relieved soon, in more ways than one.
It's official now.

https://twitter.com/canadiensmtl/status/1491499112885366785

The schaudenfreude feels so good.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Nik on February 09, 2022, 04:32:28 PM

Hang on just one second. Are you guys trying to suggest that the Habs run through the playoffs last year was just the result of some luck and a hot goalie and not managerial brilliance at the helm of a bunch of scrappy winners whose fortitude made up for their lack of skill?

Well, that sort of thing I just do not have time for.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on February 09, 2022, 05:25:16 PM
Unless he was outright ruining the development of their prospects (a la New York Rangers under David Quinn?), or some sort of HR nightmare, was not in Montreal's best interest to hold steady on the rudder? Ducharme got a 3 year extension in the offseason, so they are now paying a good number of people to not be there (are they still paying Julien? lol).

Edit:
https://twitter.com/pierrevlebrun/status/1491512391967948802
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on February 09, 2022, 05:29:28 PM
https://twitter.com/KevinWeekes/status/1491522861722480642

Oh I see. Runway for a rookie coach.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on February 09, 2022, 05:29:55 PM
Quote from: herman on February 09, 2022, 05:25:16 PM
Unless he was outright ruining the development of their prospects (a la New York Rangers under David Quinn?), or some sort of HR nightmare, was not in Montreal's best interest to hold steady on the rudder? Ducharme got a 3 year extension in the offseason, so they are now paying a good number of people to not be there (are they still paying Julien? lol).

Yeah I don't get it either.  They seem like a slam-dunk to finish 32nd and get the best odds of #1 overall pick, why ruin a good thing?  If they get that "new coach bounce" and start winning a few games it puts all that in jeopardy. 
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on February 09, 2022, 05:41:08 PM
https://twitter.com/canadiensmtl/status/1491527207440822281
Ofish now
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on February 09, 2022, 05:50:00 PM
Quote from: Zee on February 09, 2022, 05:29:55 PM
Quote from: herman on February 09, 2022, 05:25:16 PM
Unless he was outright ruining the development of their prospects (a la New York Rangers under David Quinn?), or some sort of HR nightmare, was not in Montreal's best interest to hold steady on the rudder? Ducharme got a 3 year extension in the offseason, so they are now paying a good number of people to not be there (are they still paying Julien? lol).

Yeah I don't get it either.  They seem like a slam-dunk to finish 32nd and get the best odds of #1 overall pick, why ruin a good thing?  If they get that "new coach bounce" and start winning a few games it puts all that in jeopardy.

Well, just to counter my own argument a bit: what available coach could fix what ails the Habs right now enough to give them even two-digit wins on the season?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on February 09, 2022, 07:25:50 PM
https://twitter.com/coachrevak/status/1491527706671996934
Hmmm
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 10, 2022, 12:01:47 PM
https://twitter.com/darrendreger/status/1491803764008755212
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Nik on February 10, 2022, 12:04:14 PM

This would make for the 8th coach in 9 years for the Oilers. At some point, maybe, do you start thinking the issue isn't the Coaching?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 10, 2022, 12:13:04 PM
Dave Tippet's final decision as head coach of the Oilers was to play 39-year old Mike Smith, who because of injuries had only played in 6 games this season and hadn't played in over a month, in both games of a back-to-back set.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Bender on February 10, 2022, 12:15:06 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 10, 2022, 12:13:04 PM
Dave Tippet's final decision as head coach of the Oilers was to play 39-year old Mike Smith, who because of injuries had only played in 6 games this season and hadn't played in over a month, in both games of a back-to-back set.
Maybe he wanted to get fired lol.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Andy on February 10, 2022, 12:18:23 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 10, 2022, 12:04:14 PM

This would make for the 8th coach in 9 years for the Oilers. At some point, maybe, do you start thinking the issue isn't the Coaching?

That really is unbelievable. Maybe the answer is a another hard-working winger? Nick Ritchie for a Rexall gift card?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on February 10, 2022, 12:50:03 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1491805470754938880
Didn't want to touch the Babcock eh
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Joe on February 10, 2022, 01:27:39 PM
Quote from: herman on February 10, 2022, 12:50:03 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1491805470754938880
Didn't want to touch the Babcock eh

Why would Babcock want another job right now? 5 mil until 2023? Ride that out...
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Highlander on February 10, 2022, 03:22:01 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 10, 2022, 12:04:14 PM

This would make for the 8th coach in 9 years for the Oilers. At some point, maybe, do you start thinking the issue isn't the Coaching?
Exactly, Ken Holland doesn't exactly strike me as great or even good GM.  His last years in Detroit were not exactly inspiring. I heard Mark Hunter is available if they want to make more changes out there.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on February 18, 2022, 10:06:55 AM
Quote from: herman on February 09, 2022, 05:41:08 PM
https://twitter.com/canadiensmtl/status/1491527207440822281
Ofish now

I was definitely thinking of making the joke that Montreal is going to try to pull together that Tampa team after signing MSL.

https://twitter.com/canadiensmtl/status/1494673156719710214
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on April 07, 2022, 02:56:45 PM
https://twitter.com/SanJoseSharks/status/1512113600286150657
Reads like a soft firing to me
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 07, 2022, 03:42:31 PM
Quote from: herman on April 07, 2022, 02:56:45 PM
https://twitter.com/SanJoseSharks/status/1512113600286150657
Reads like a soft firing to me
Good luck to the next guy, because San Jose has some brutal unmovable contracts.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on April 08, 2022, 09:47:08 AM
Quote from: herman on April 07, 2022, 02:56:45 PM
https://twitter.com/SanJoseSharks/status/1512113600286150657
Reads like a soft firing to me

19 years.  Holy, and around here people freak out on the GM after 3 seasons.  LOL
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: L K on April 08, 2022, 10:48:35 AM
They won 16 playoff rounds under Doug Wilson.   Got to the conference finals 4 times and lost in the Stanley Cup Finals once.  Until the last three seasons the Sharks only missed the playoffs one other time during his tenure.  The Sharks are buried under a lot of terrible contracts that are going to be hard to do much to rebuild with but that's a heck of a run as GM doing everything short of winning a Cup.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 22, 2022, 11:51:49 PM
https://twitter.com/sheng_peng/status/1517677083190652930

Wha......?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Frank E on April 23, 2022, 10:09:13 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 22, 2022, 11:51:49 PM
https://twitter.com/sheng_peng/status/1517677083190652930

Wha......?

Wasn't Weekes in on the Montreal gig too?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on April 27, 2022, 09:52:01 PM
https://twitter.com/sethrorabaugh/status/1519463073345642502
Very suspicious
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on April 30, 2022, 04:57:15 PM
https://twitter.com/detroitredwings/status/1520463001425485826
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on May 01, 2022, 09:33:51 AM
Quote from: herman on April 30, 2022, 04:57:15 PM
https://twitter.com/detroitredwings/status/1520463001425485826
Babcock?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 01, 2022, 06:58:41 PM
Maybe this guy actually
https://twitter.com/andystrickland/status/1520795563125530624
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Joe on May 01, 2022, 07:04:40 PM
Quote from: herman on May 01, 2022, 06:58:41 PM
Maybe this guy actually
https://twitter.com/andystrickland/status/1520795563125530624

I don't understand reinstated? He wasn't suspended by the nhl.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 02, 2022, 11:48:59 AM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1521153833472303112
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 02, 2022, 11:51:39 AM
Quote from: Joe S. on May 01, 2022, 07:04:40 PM
Quote from: herman on May 01, 2022, 06:58:41 PM
Maybe this guy actually
https://twitter.com/andystrickland/status/1520795563125530624

I don't understand reinstated? He wasn't suspended by the nhl.

Must have something to do with his resignation coming on the heels of the conversation with Gary. Save some face (on his official record, at least), but any further career advancement is going to be at the commissioner's say so.

Knowing this league and this commissioner, they're just waiting for it to 'blow over', because it's not the egregious cover up that was the sin committed, it was embarrassing the league's image.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 03, 2022, 01:20:22 AM
Edit: had to replace it with this much better one, omg
https://twitter.com/abbeymastracco/status/1521332937454665734
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 09, 2022, 09:56:02 AM
https://twitter.com/NYIslanders/status/1523660456438939648

uhh, what?

The only logical explanation here is that Lou is full on tanking for Connor Bedard next season.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Frank E on May 09, 2022, 10:15:40 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 09, 2022, 09:56:02 AM
https://twitter.com/NYIslanders/status/1523660456438939648

uhh, what?

The only logical explanation here is that Lou is full on tanking for Connor Bedard next season.

It's going to be pretty tough to move out a bunch of those deals on that roster.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 09, 2022, 10:30:01 AM
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AbandonedAggravatingBoilweevil-size_restricted.gif)

Trotz gets hired by Winnipeg
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Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on May 09, 2022, 11:14:25 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 09, 2022, 09:56:02 AM
https://twitter.com/NYIslanders/status/1523660456438939648

uhh, what?

The only logical explanation here is that Lou is full on tanking for Connor Bedard next season.

I failed so you pay?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 09, 2022, 12:28:27 PM
https://twitter.com/TheSuperAJ/status/1523694266697928704
I don't have a gif for this

ok, wait:
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ImpishSizzlingAlaskanmalamute-max-1mb.gif)
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Guilt Trip on May 09, 2022, 12:42:07 PM
Quote from: herman on May 09, 2022, 12:28:27 PM
https://twitter.com/TheSuperAJ/status/1523694266697928704
I don't have a gif for this

ok, wait:
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ImpishSizzlingAlaskanmalamute-max-1mb.gif)
That's a good one..
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 09, 2022, 01:59:03 PM
https://twitter.com/swhyno/status/1523676519280922624
I do kind of miss Lou pressers, where many words are used to say nothing
Conference Call: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gjo0peP-BA
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on May 09, 2022, 02:10:34 PM
Did I consult with those who would be most directly impacted by this seemingly rash decision?

No, why would I do that? Never even crossed my mind.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on May 09, 2022, 03:32:36 PM
Coaching vacancy for the Islanders.....McGuire just let go by the Sens...I see a match here!
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: L K on May 09, 2022, 03:52:55 PM
Quote from: herman on May 09, 2022, 01:59:03 PM
https://twitter.com/swhyno/status/1523676519280922624
I do kind of miss Lou pressers, where many words are used to say nothing
Conference Call: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gjo0peP-BA

Trotz certainly has his limitations in stifling the offense of his teams but this is just stupidity from Lou.  Back to back conference finals appearances and then a trainwreck season that starts with a 13-game road trip (team goes 5-6-2).  They then lose Josh Bailey and Ryan Pulock to injury/COVID on November 16 and then lose everyone else to COVID just before puck drop on November 20th.  From November 7th to the shutdown in December the team goes 3-10-4 under awful circumstances.  So they ultimately go 8-12-6 through December.

The Islanders were eliminated from playoff contention when they lost to the Leafs 4-2 on April 17.   They finished 2-4-1 after that.

So between January 13th and April 17th the team went: 27-19-3.  I think that's pretty much the only stretch you could look at the Islanders and say that was a fair evaluation of their team. Games played after being eliminated from the playoffs during an entirely shitty season seems unfair and that first stretch of the season was awful.  The NHL forcing the Islanders to play games shorthanded because they didn't have a proper COVID program in place was absurd.

I'm glad he's not our GM.

Trotz is from Winnipeg.  I wonder if there is a fit there trying to salvage what is left of that team.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Frank E on May 09, 2022, 03:53:47 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on May 09, 2022, 02:10:34 PM
Did I consult with those who would be most directly impacted by this seemingly rash decision?

No, why would I do that? Never even crossed my mind.

Yeah, I think Lou is just protecting everyone but himself on this...that's a GM move. 

Obviously there's more to this than just not making the playoffs, but that's not for public consumption.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 09, 2022, 03:57:19 PM
Quote from: L K on May 09, 2022, 03:52:55 PM
Trotz is from Winnipeg.  I wonder if there is a fit there trying to salvage what is left of that team.

Watching Trotz coach 3 of the worst defensive (big name) forwards in the league in Scheifele, Wheeler, and Connor would be very fun(ny).
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: L K on May 09, 2022, 04:04:59 PM
Quote from: Frank E on May 09, 2022, 03:53:47 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on May 09, 2022, 02:10:34 PM
Did I consult with those who would be most directly impacted by this seemingly rash decision?

No, why would I do that? Never even crossed my mind.

Yeah, I think Lou is just protecting everyone but himself on this...that's a GM move. 

Obviously there's more to this than just not making the playoffs, but that's not for public consumption.

I mean he has a history of firing coaches though.

Lamoriello took over the Devils in April 1987 and left May 4, 2015

Doug Carpenter, Jim Shoenfield, John Cunnif, Tom McVie, Herb Brooks, Jacques Lemaire, Robbie Ftorek, Larry Robinson, Kevin Constantine, Pat Burns, Larry Robinson, Lou Lamoriello, Claude Julien, Lou Lamoriello, Brent Sutter, Jacques Lemaire, John Maclean, Jacques Lemaire, Pete Deboer, Adam Oates/Scott Stevens

19 coaching changes over 28 years.  In an era where the team made the playoffs 21 times in 28 years.  Won the cup 3 times and made the Cup finals a further 2 times they had 20.5 coaches and 19 coaching changes.

Over that same time the Leafs (made the Conference finals 4 times) had 12 coaches.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on May 09, 2022, 05:05:55 PM
Quote from: Frank E on May 09, 2022, 03:53:47 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on May 09, 2022, 02:10:34 PM
Did I consult with those who would be most directly impacted by this seemingly rash decision?

No, why would I do that? Never even crossed my mind.

Yeah, I think Lou is just protecting everyone but himself on this...that's a GM move. 

Obviously there's more to this than just not making the playoffs, but that's not for public consumption.

Easy to still protect people without coming across like this was a snap decision made entirely on his own. Saying "after having talked to the players, coaching staff, etc., I've decided this is the best path forward" still puts it on him without it looking like he acted rashly and unilaterally. That's acting like a GM.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Frank E on May 09, 2022, 05:22:00 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on May 09, 2022, 05:05:55 PM
Quote from: Frank E on May 09, 2022, 03:53:47 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on May 09, 2022, 02:10:34 PM
Did I consult with those who would be most directly impacted by this seemingly rash decision?

No, why would I do that? Never even crossed my mind.

Yeah, I think Lou is just protecting everyone but himself on this...that's a GM move. 

Obviously there's more to this than just not making the playoffs, but that's not for public consumption.

Easy to still protect people without coming across like this was a snap decision made entirely on his own. Saying "after having talked to the players, coaching staff, etc., I've decided this is the best path forward" still puts it on him without it looking like he acted rashly and unilaterally. That's acting like a GM.

I don't think a GM should involve the players in any announcement of a coaching change.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 09, 2022, 05:53:25 PM
https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1315750867048583173
because he didn't have enough money
https://twitter.com/gogreen1010/status/1315806858159022081
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on May 09, 2022, 06:54:43 PM
Quote from: Frank E on May 09, 2022, 05:22:00 PM
I don't think a GM should involve the players in any announcement of a coaching change.

You don't think consulting those that worked most closely with someone is something you should do before making a decision about that person's future? That feels like really questionable management. I'm not saying let the players decide, but, without consulting them, you have no idea what's really going on with the coach.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Bullfrog on May 09, 2022, 10:11:21 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on May 09, 2022, 06:54:43 PM
Quote from: Frank E on May 09, 2022, 05:22:00 PM
I don't think a GM should involve the players in any announcement of a coaching change.

You don't think consulting those that worked most closely with someone is something you should do before making a decision about that person's future? That feels like really questionable management. I'm not saying let the players decide, but, without consulting them, you have no idea what's really going on with the coach.

No, he's saying to not involve/mention players in the announcement of the coaching change.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on May 10, 2022, 09:31:56 AM
Quote from: Bullfrog on May 09, 2022, 10:11:21 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on May 09, 2022, 06:54:43 PM
Quote from: Frank E on May 09, 2022, 05:22:00 PM
I don't think a GM should involve the players in any announcement of a coaching change.

You don't think consulting those that worked most closely with someone is something you should do before making a decision about that person's future? That feels like really questionable management. I'm not saying let the players decide, but, without consulting them, you have no idea what's really going on with the coach.

No, he's saying to not involve/mention players in the announcement of the coaching change.

My bad. Misread the post. Regardless, saying you consulted the players isn't really involving them. It's something GMs say and do all the time when coaches are fired. Pretty standard stuff, really.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Frank E on May 10, 2022, 09:58:49 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on May 10, 2022, 09:31:56 AM
Quote from: Bullfrog on May 09, 2022, 10:11:21 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on May 09, 2022, 06:54:43 PM
Quote from: Frank E on May 09, 2022, 05:22:00 PM
I don't think a GM should involve the players in any announcement of a coaching change.

You don't think consulting those that worked most closely with someone is something you should do before making a decision about that person's future? That feels like really questionable management. I'm not saying let the players decide, but, without consulting them, you have no idea what's really going on with the coach.

No, he's saying to not involve/mention players in the announcement of the coaching change.

My bad. Misread the post. Regardless, saying you consulted the players isn't really involving them. It's something GMs say and do all the time when coaches are fired. Pretty standard stuff, really.

Thanks for clarifying that, Frog.  I didn't catch busta's response.

I still disagree, busta...I think it should be mostly the same blah blah "new voice" "fresh outlook" "too stale" "new ideas" "we wish him well in his future endeavours, except when he's playing against us" horse feathers.

I don't think you should mention that they players had any direct influence.  I can see Lou saying that he expected more out of this lineup, and that expects a better record in the future, but suggesting that he spoke with players and that was a factor, and the result is a fired coach just doesn't sound right in my book.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on May 10, 2022, 10:20:15 AM
Quote from: Frank E on May 10, 2022, 09:58:49 AM

I don't think you should mention that they players had any direct influence.  I can see Lou saying that he expected more out of this lineup, and that expects a better record in the future, but suggesting that he spoke with players and that was a factor, and the result is a fired coach just doesn't sound right in my book.

Then you have an issue with multiple GMs across all sports. Consulting those most deeply impacted to get their opinion feels like pretty standard practice. Players are always going to be a factor in a coach getting fired. That's just the reality - their successes and failures are so deeply intertwined that they have the biggest influence regardless. Leaving them out makes it feel like a decision has been made without getting the full picture. A nothing acknowledgment of them and this isn't even a discussion.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 16, 2022, 11:47:07 AM
https://twitter.com/NYIslanders/status/1526224076741779461

Not sure how firing Trotz because the team needed a new voice and then replacing him with his right-hand man for the past decade makes much sense but here we are.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on May 16, 2022, 11:51:26 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 16, 2022, 11:47:07 AM
https://twitter.com/NYIslanders/status/1526224076741779461

Not sure how firing Trotz because the team needed a new voice and then replacing him with his right-hand man for the past decade makes much sense but here we are.

This is Trotz's butler.  He's basically followed Trotz from Nashville, Washington to NYI.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 16, 2022, 12:02:18 PM
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1526231180839895042
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1526231281608052743
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1526231272724602882
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on May 16, 2022, 12:05:09 PM
Welcome to Las Vegas, Barry Trotz?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Frank E on May 16, 2022, 12:06:17 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on May 16, 2022, 12:05:09 PM
Welcome to Las Vegas, Barry Trotz?

Yeah...but Q and Maurice are out there too.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 16, 2022, 12:13:48 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on May 16, 2022, 12:05:09 PM
Welcome to Las Vegas, Barry Trotz?

Trotz will certainly have his pick of teams, assuming he wants to coach next season, but yeah that definitely seems like the best one for him.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Guilt Trip on May 16, 2022, 12:19:56 PM
Quote from: Frank E on May 16, 2022, 12:06:17 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on May 16, 2022, 12:05:09 PM
Welcome to Las Vegas, Barry Trotz?

Yeah...but Q and Maurice are out there too.
Don't see anyone grabbing Maurice. The Jets under performed for the talent they have. Q is interesting but not sure a team takes a chance on him either.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on May 16, 2022, 12:40:47 PM
Trotz to Vegas makes sense, they're a team that's supposed to contend.  I don't see Quenneville going there given the baggage he comes with vis a vis the whole Chicago situation, but then again Vegas never does anything normally so you never know.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on May 20, 2022, 02:52:48 PM
Minor coaching carousel notes:
Lou appointed Trotz' right hand man Lane Lambert to the head coaching position
https://theathletic.com/3315374/2022/05/17/new-york-islanders-lane-lambert-barry-trotz/
Quote"When you say 'a new voice,' there's a tremendous difference between an assistant coach and a head coach," he explained Monday afternoon. "It's bigger than I think anyone can sometimes understand. That new voice is here with Lane. Certainly, Lane has different thoughts on different things. Everybody does.

"Maybe it wasn't the right phrase that I should have used, but it is a new voice in the position that Lane is now in. I would say a big new voice in that, because we're talking about two totally different personalities with reference to Barry and Lane."
Lane had been working as assistant to Barry Trotz since Nashville through Washington, and onto the Island.

Lots of L's with new duo.

Nashville re-upped John Hynes

Rick Bowness stepped down from coaching Dallas
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on June 06, 2022, 07:31:04 PM
https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1533954342373322753

Whoa.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Guilt Trip on June 06, 2022, 08:29:16 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on June 06, 2022, 07:31:04 PM
https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1533954342373322753

Whoa.
Tank mode next year..lol
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: L K on June 06, 2022, 08:53:06 PM
Marchand not ready for the season.  Bergeron not ready for the season.  Fire the coach with a 245-108-46 record.  I guess if the team is expecting a rebuild not a terrible idea but still somewhat surprising.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 07, 2022, 12:19:11 AM
The guy who saved Sweeney and Neely's jobs is jumping on one final grenade.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Bender on June 07, 2022, 07:49:46 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on June 06, 2022, 07:31:04 PM
https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1533954342373322753

Whoa.
You'd think they'd give him one more year.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on June 07, 2022, 08:22:54 AM
Quote from: L K on June 06, 2022, 08:53:06 PM
Marchand not ready for the season.  Bergeron not ready for the season.  Fire the coach with a 245-108-46 record.  I guess if the team is expecting a rebuild not a terrible idea but still somewhat surprising.

It does seem like they're at the edge of the cliff, and with only one season left on his contract, this was almost a mercy firing.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 07, 2022, 08:24:41 AM
Surely they would have discussed this with him but if I'm Bergeron and still kinda on the fence about returning for another season or not, having to start a season with a brand new coach as opposed to coming into the year with some familiarity might make a small impact on my decision.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Arn on June 07, 2022, 09:13:21 AM
Bergeron to Leafs
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Guilt Trip on June 07, 2022, 09:50:21 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on June 07, 2022, 08:22:54 AM
Quote from: L K on June 06, 2022, 08:53:06 PM
Marchand not ready for the season.  Bergeron not ready for the season.  Fire the coach with a 245-108-46 record.  I guess if the team is expecting a rebuild not a terrible idea but still somewhat surprising.

It does seem like they're at the edge of the cliff, and with only one season left on his contract, this was almost a mercy firing.
This doesn't sound like a Wilson move. Haven't heard many fans or anyone complain about him as a coach. If you believe in him as your coach and you're going to reload, why dump him with a year left and pay him for nothing? Guessing either the players have had enough or management wants to go in another direction because of the available coaches? We'll see when the hire their new guy.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Rob on June 07, 2022, 09:56:14 AM
Quote from: Arn on June 07, 2022, 09:13:21 AM
Bergeron to Leafs

E5
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Guilt Trip on June 07, 2022, 10:07:41 AM
Quote from: Rob on June 07, 2022, 09:56:14 AM
Quote from: Arn on June 07, 2022, 09:13:21 AM
Bergeron to Leafs

E5
Haha that's pure gold.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 07, 2022, 10:20:38 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 07, 2022, 08:24:41 AM
Surely they would have discussed this with him but if I'm Bergeron and still kinda on the fence about returning for another season or not, having to start a season with a brand new coach as opposed to coming into the year with some familiarity might make a small impact on my decision.

I can't tell if it's a deliberate page turning on the roster (definitely the coach's fault there) to get the re-tool around Pastrnak/McAvoy/Swayman started, or if it's a very bad San Jose mis-read of their team and trajectory.

https://theathletic.com/3352301/2022/06/06/bruce-cassidy-facts-bruins-firing/
QuotePresident Cam Neely and Sweeney made it clear in end-of-year press conferences that they were dissatisfied with two things: Cassidy's tactics for producing offense and his approach toward optimizing player performance, especially that of younger ones.

"There is some of that. There's no question, players being afraid to make mistakes," said Neely on May 19. "Especially younger players. Because you hear about it. I was one of those players. I had to learn and grow. I heard about it too when I made mistakes as a younger player. You can't worry about not getting back out there. I think that's one of the things we have to change. When younger players make mistakes, they're worried they're not going to play the next game. Well, that game is still going on."

It's a fair point about their offense. Boston has a top notch defensive system, but offensively it was really just throw Pastrnak out with Bergeron/Marchand and hope it goes in or there is a PP to leverage. Without Bergeron/Krejci, Pastrnak's getting exposed going the other way.

The not-playing-the-youth card is a pretty funny one for the GM to be blaming the coach for.

Anyway, it feels pretty much like what the Islanders just did. Coach that made the most with an aging/middling roster bogged down with old grinders with a legit defensive scheme gets blamed for the GMs' roster building mistakes.

Pastrnak has one year left on his deal with Marchand down to surgery recovery, McAvoy and Grzelcyk out for similar. He's the piece you move to restock fast. Should the Leafs throw a lot of assets towards getting a salary-retained Pastrnak (one of Willy's BFFs)?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Guilt Trip on June 07, 2022, 10:54:49 AM
Pasta would be awesome but no way they trade him to the Leafs....right? Well, probably not lol.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 07, 2022, 10:58:43 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on June 07, 2022, 10:54:49 AM
Pasta would be awesome but no way they trade him to the Leafs....right? Well, probably not lol.
I heard Boston really loves Marner :D

But that's not what I want to do. Boston will be looking for futures if Pastrnak is getting moved.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 07, 2022, 12:39:03 PM
I'm actually pretty surprised how little cap space Boston has. Capfriendly shows them with about $2.3mil for this upcoming season, and that's with Charlie Coyle as their top centre. If Bergeron comes back he'd obviously take a pretty cheap deal at this point, but I figured if he didn't they would have had space to go after one of the bigger UFA forwards.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Frank E on June 07, 2022, 01:15:00 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 07, 2022, 12:39:03 PM
I'm actually pretty surprised how little cap space Boston has. Capfriendly shows them with about $2.3mil for this upcoming season, and that's with Charlie Coyle as their top centre. If Bergeron comes back he'd obviously take a pretty cheap deal at this point, but I figured if he didn't they would have had space to go after one of the bigger UFA forwards.

How cheap is cheap? 

I know Bergeron is 36, but he's coming off a 25g/65p in 73 games plus another Selke season.

$3-$4?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on June 07, 2022, 01:19:59 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 07, 2022, 12:39:03 PM
I'm actually pretty surprised how little cap space Boston has. Capfriendly shows them with about $2.3mil for this upcoming season, and that's with Charlie Coyle as their top centre. If Bergeron comes back he'd obviously take a pretty cheap deal at this point, but I figured if he didn't they would have had space to go after one of the bigger UFA forwards.

Precisely this is a large part of why he's gone, they need to give plenty of ELC guys a shot and Cassidy has been very harsh on young players. According to those close to the team, young guys are afraid to make plays because they know a mistake will take them out of the lineup, to the point that it's impacting their performance in game.

That doesn't become the narrative if it's just one young guy its happening to.

I rate Cassidy, I always thought he made smart tactical adjustments against the Leafs, he'd find the players to target and ways to specifically break Leafs breakout schemes etc.

I thought Keefe was a little slow making systems adjustments against Tampa when it was clear their schemes had been video'd by Cooper.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 07, 2022, 02:07:38 PM
Quote from: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on June 07, 2022, 01:19:59 PM
Precisely this is a large part of why he's gone, they need to give plenty of ELC guys a shot and Cassidy has been very harsh on young players. According to those close to the team, young guys are afraid to make plays because they know a mistake will take them out of the lineup, to the point that it's impacting their performance in game.

That doesn't become the narrative if it's just one young guy its happening to.

I know Cam Neely brought this up in his end of year thing too, but like which young players could this even be in reference to? The Bruins drafting has been pretty atrocious lately (oh what could have been in 2015). If Cassidy isn't getting any value from players on ELCs it seems more likely because the organization hasn't provided him with any good ones.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on June 07, 2022, 02:36:26 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 07, 2022, 02:07:38 PM
I know Cam Neely brought this up in his end of year thing too, but like which young players could this even be in reference to? The Bruins drafting has been pretty atrocious lately (oh what could have been in 2015). If Cassidy isn't getting any value from players on ELCs it seems more likely because the organization hasn't provided him with any good ones.

That's a fair point. The Bruins didn't dress a lot of young guys who aren't already established in the league. Those that have dressed have been lower in the lineup/depth types who were fighting for time - the type where, on any team with aspirations of being a contender, would be on a short leash.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 07, 2022, 02:59:39 PM
Bruce Cassidy played the tar out of 19 year old Charlie McAvoy (along with 20 year old Jake DeBrusk and Brandon Carlo) in his first real season. I don't think it's fair to say he didn't play or give chances to younger players. They were players he knew coming up from Providence, so there's that developed trust factor. More recently, I think it really just came down to the coach being handed a bag of spare parts that would not help win games in the Atlantic with some key vet departures/injuries and downturns.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Deebo on June 07, 2022, 04:56:55 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 07, 2022, 02:07:38 PM
(oh what could have been in 2015)

Literally the next 3 picks are all far better players than any of the 3 they picked at 13,14 & 15.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 07, 2022, 05:22:28 PM
Quote from: Deebo on June 07, 2022, 04:56:55 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 07, 2022, 02:07:38 PM
(oh what could have been in 2015)

Literally the next 3 picks are all far better players than any of the 3 they picked at 13,14 & 15.

https://twitter.com/rhys_jessop/status/614591193872084992
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 07, 2022, 05:37:39 PM
Quote from: Deebo on June 07, 2022, 04:56:55 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 07, 2022, 02:07:38 PM
(oh what could have been in 2015)

Literally the next 3 picks are all far better players than any of the 3 they picked at 13,14 & 15.

Heck even if they got one of them that'd be franchise changing from that spot. All 3 would have put them right up there with Tampa the past few years if they were able to manage it cap wise.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 07, 2022, 09:08:47 PM
https://twitter.com/nhl_watcher/status/1534308808746577925
San Jose East pls
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: L K on June 07, 2022, 10:02:15 PM
I'm not going to say that Boston can't still compete but half their team will be injured to start the year and none of them are Kucherov injuries where they can manipulate the cap with LTIR.

Please do run into the wall. 
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Bender on June 08, 2022, 07:51:01 AM
https://twitter.com/tavmarnythews/status/1534370995158540299?t=cHBKBRkFrexDAccIm6QSOg&s=19
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on June 08, 2022, 11:06:40 AM
Quote from: Bender on June 08, 2022, 07:51:01 AM
https://twitter.com/tavmarnythews/status/1534370995158540299?t=cHBKBRkFrexDAccIm6QSOg&s=19
Oh, yeah...
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on June 08, 2022, 02:32:22 PM
Quote from: Bender on June 08, 2022, 07:51:01 AM
https://twitter.com/tavmarnythews/status/1534370995158540299?t=cHBKBRkFrexDAccIm6QSOg&s=19

https://twitter.com/EditorinLeaf/status/1534600464905420801?t=8iqFrjgLrfoinXpI1KYtGA&s=19

Is it just me or is this guy deranged?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Joe on June 08, 2022, 02:56:59 PM
Would you even do that trade for mcdavid? I mean forget the players, 5 first round picks? For 1 player?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Guilt Trip on June 08, 2022, 03:08:26 PM
Quote from: Iafrate on June 08, 2022, 02:56:59 PM
Would you even do that trade for mcdavid? I mean forget the players, 5 first round picks? For 1 player?
No.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on June 08, 2022, 03:26:03 PM
Quote from: Iafrate on June 08, 2022, 02:56:59 PM
Would you even do that trade for mcdavid? I mean forget the players, 5 first round picks? For 1 player?

I'm pretty sure that's more value than Quebec got for Lindros back in the day. It's an insane amount to give up for any player who isn't McDavid -  and likely more than Edmonton would get if they put him on the market.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 08, 2022, 03:45:54 PM
It's not just the offer that seems high.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Nik on June 08, 2022, 04:16:07 PM

It's also more of the "Would you accept 7 quarters for your Toonie" stuff that's almost never how trades turn out. A team in that position will look to score a few very high value young pieces instead of two handfuls of ok ones.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: L K on June 08, 2022, 05:26:36 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on June 08, 2022, 03:26:03 PM
Quote from: Iafrate on June 08, 2022, 02:56:59 PM
Would you even do that trade for mcdavid? I mean forget the players, 5 first round picks? For 1 player?

I'm pretty sure that's more value than Quebec got for Lindros back in the day. It's an insane amount to give up for any player who isn't McDavid -  and likely more than Edmonton would get if they put him on the market.

Fine but hear me out. 

Matthew, Marner, Tavares to Arizona for a 5th round draft pick.

Leafs trade 100 first round picks to Arizona for Matthews, Marner, Tavares all with 50% cap retention.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Bender on June 09, 2022, 10:29:34 AM
Quote from: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on June 08, 2022, 02:32:22 PM
Quote from: Bender on June 08, 2022, 07:51:01 AM
https://twitter.com/tavmarnythews/status/1534370995158540299?t=cHBKBRkFrexDAccIm6QSOg&s=19

https://twitter.com/EditorinLeaf/status/1534600464905420801?t=8iqFrjgLrfoinXpI1KYtGA&s=19

Is it just me or is this guy deranged?
I don't know why anyone listens to this guy.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 09, 2022, 11:31:03 AM
https://twitter.com/JoeyMacHockey/status/1534915873667964931
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 09, 2022, 11:43:31 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 09, 2022, 11:31:03 AM
https://twitter.com/JoeyMacHockey/status/1534915873667964931

(https://c.tenor.com/jEtYKBM-IN0AAAAC/daenerys-targaryen-smile.gif)
Of course you're safe, Bruce
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on June 09, 2022, 04:32:54 PM
https://twitter.com/mattyports/status/1534924274376577024

Maybe Keefe could use an assistant coach...
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Bender on June 09, 2022, 06:39:02 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1535019760211185681?t=qctYdGVFnmSF8KkHVfD4RA&s=19
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on June 12, 2022, 01:51:43 PM
https://twitter.com/kevinweekes/status/1536033287738732544

This just in from Kevin Weekes laundry room.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on June 14, 2022, 05:05:32 PM
https://twitter.com/kevinweekes/status/1536814336206848007
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 14, 2022, 06:28:33 PM
That's a reasonable get for Vegas. Mark Stone in a Cassidy system might be extremely annoying to get through
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 14, 2022, 07:55:01 PM
I would have been very curious to see what Trotz could do with a team that could score goals, but yeah Cassidy is probably just as good for them.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 14, 2022, 11:15:03 PM
https://twitter.com/kevinweekes/status/1536907580806774788

Genuinely thought there'd be one of these from atop the can by now
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Bender on June 15, 2022, 07:38:56 AM
Quote from: herman on June 14, 2022, 11:15:03 PM
https://twitter.com/kevinweekes/status/1536907580806774788

Genuinely thought there'd be one of these from atop the can by now
I thought Torts was washed.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Nik on June 15, 2022, 10:11:48 AM

Just like Keenan before him, Tortorella will always be an option for teams without any actual ideas to improve their team but who hope that the players will play better if they're yelled at more.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 15, 2022, 07:09:33 PM
https://twitter.com/joeymachockey/status/1537060221130092549
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Highlander on June 16, 2022, 11:42:09 AM
I don't want Spencer to leave the Leafs (yet).
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 16, 2022, 10:03:26 PM
https://twitter.com/bdubi17/status/1537591435469459463

https://twitter.com/NHLFlyers/status/1537787171821731842

I am looking forward to Tortorella vs Gritty
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on June 19, 2022, 09:51:47 PM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1538700686296330240
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 19, 2022, 10:16:12 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on June 19, 2022, 09:51:47 PM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1538700686296330240

How does he keep getting hired
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Peter D. on June 19, 2022, 10:19:51 PM
Quote from: herman on June 19, 2022, 10:16:12 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on June 19, 2022, 09:51:47 PM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1538700686296330240

How does he keep getting hired

Not only that. He gets snapped up right away each time. I just don't get it.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 20, 2022, 10:04:16 AM
Quote from: Peter D. on June 19, 2022, 10:19:51 PM
Not only that. He gets snapped up right away each time. I just don't get it.

If the NHL coaching carousel was a cow, Pete DeBoer (just double checking, it's not you, right?) is about to pass out of the rectum after this.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on June 20, 2022, 01:35:43 PM
Quote from: herman on June 19, 2022, 10:16:12 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on June 19, 2022, 09:51:47 PM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1538700686296330240

How does he keep getting hired

He's had pretty good results hasn't he?  Couple of finals appearances with different teams and a couple trips to the conference finals as well.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on June 20, 2022, 01:56:00 PM
Quote from: Zee on June 20, 2022, 01:35:43 PM
He's had pretty good results hasn't he?  Couple of finals appearances with different teams and a couple trips to the conference finals as well.

Teams he coaches seem to stagnate or move backwards. He always seems to get the best results in his first season. Looks more like he inherited good rosters that he wasn't able to push forward.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on June 20, 2022, 01:58:55 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on June 20, 2022, 01:56:00 PM
Quote from: Zee on June 20, 2022, 01:35:43 PM
He's had pretty good results hasn't he?  Couple of finals appearances with different teams and a couple trips to the conference finals as well.

Teams he coaches seem to stagnate or move backwards. He always seems to get the best results in his first season. Looks more like he inherited good rosters that he wasn't able to push forward.

This goes back to the age old question, what's the most important thing, the coach or having great players?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on June 20, 2022, 02:01:21 PM
Quote from: herman on June 19, 2022, 10:16:12 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on June 19, 2022, 09:51:47 PM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1538700686296330240

How does he keep getting hired
He won a Stanley Cup just 19 short years ago.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on June 20, 2022, 02:19:16 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on June 20, 2022, 02:01:21 PM
Quote from: herman on June 19, 2022, 10:16:12 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on June 19, 2022, 09:51:47 PM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1538700686296330240

How does he keep getting hired
He won a Stanley Cup just 19 short years ago.

Lies. He never won a Stanley Cup. He's only ever lost in the finals.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on June 20, 2022, 02:20:28 PM
Quote from: Zee on June 20, 2022, 01:58:55 PM
This goes back to the age old question, what's the most important thing, the coach or having great players?

Except that's a false dichotomy. You need great players and a coach who can get the most out of them (unless your roster is heads and shoulders above everyone else, which is not a thing that happens so much in the real world).
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 20, 2022, 02:30:06 PM
https://twitter.com/lastwordtaylor/status/1538731554905653248
This was a good little read
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 20, 2022, 03:13:31 PM
I won't pretend to know everything about DeBoer as a coach but I feel like both his last two firings have been a little undeserved.

6 series wins with San Jose in 4 years, all with a mostly aging core and goaltending that was just average at best. In his final full season there they finished with 101 points despite Martin Jones' career finally nosediving and having a 0.896 Sv% in 62 games (with Aaron Dell backing him up with a .886 Sv%). They somehow made it all the way to the West finals that year with Jones having a .898 Sv% in the playoffs. If that's not getting the most out of a team I don't know what is.

Then in Vegas he brings them to the Finals in his first year as a mid-season replacement, ties the Presidents Trophy winner in points in his 2nd season, then misses the playoffs in his 3rd year. And maybe there's an argument to be made that he could have done more late in the season to push Vegas in but that was also a disastrous season for Vegas in terms of injuries. Their 1C, 1LW, 1RW, and 3D all played less than half the season. They also had a lot of other injuries, including to their starting goalie. There's probably a lot of coaches who wouldn't have been able to muster a 52.6% CF and 52.6% xGF out of Vegas this past season considering the line-ups he had to ice most of the time.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Guilt Trip on June 20, 2022, 07:24:52 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 20, 2022, 03:13:31 PM
I won't pretend to know everything about DeBoer as a coach but I feel like both his last two firings have been a little undeserved.

6 series wins with San Jose in 4 years, all with a mostly aging core and goaltending that was just average at best. In his final full season there they finished with 101 points despite Martin Jones' career finally nosediving and having a 0.896 Sv% in 62 games (with Aaron Dell backing him up with a .886 Sv%). They somehow made it all the way to the West finals that year with Jones having a .898 Sv% in the playoffs. If that's not getting the most out of a team I don't know what is.

Then in Vegas he brings them to the Finals in his first year as a mid-season replacement, ties the Presidents Trophy winner in points in his 2nd season, then misses the playoffs in his 3rd year. And maybe there's an argument to be made that he could have done more late in the season to push Vegas in but that was also a disastrous season for Vegas in terms of injuries. Their 1C, 1LW, 1RW, and 3D all played less than half the season. They also had a lot of other injuries, including to their starting goalie. There's probably a lot of coaches who wouldn't have been able to muster a 52.6% CF and 52.6% xGF out of Vegas this past season considering the line-ups he had to ice most of the time.

I don't think DeBoer made it to the Finals with Vegas. I know he made it to the Conference Finals against Dallas. He did make it to the Finals with SJ in 15/16.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 20, 2022, 10:48:10 PM
Yeah hockeydb weirdly lists Vegas as going to "round 4" that year and I didn't really think much of it. But I guess they're counting the qualifier as a round that year.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 21, 2022, 01:52:47 PM
https://twitter.com/kevinweekes/status/1539276626512445441
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on June 21, 2022, 08:08:10 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on June 20, 2022, 02:19:16 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on June 20, 2022, 02:01:21 PM
Quote from: herman on June 19, 2022, 10:16:12 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on June 19, 2022, 09:51:47 PM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1538700686296330240

How does he keep getting hired
He won a Stanley Cup just 19 short years ago.

Lies. He never won a Stanley Cup. He's only ever lost in the finals.
Unsure if this is sarcasm or just incorrect.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on June 21, 2022, 08:13:43 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on June 21, 2022, 08:08:10 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on June 20, 2022, 02:19:16 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on June 20, 2022, 02:01:21 PM
Quote from: herman on June 19, 2022, 10:16:12 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on June 19, 2022, 09:51:47 PM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1538700686296330240

How does he keep getting hired
He won a Stanley Cup just 19 short years ago.

Lies. He never won a Stanley Cup. He's only ever lost in the finals.
Unsure if this is sarcasm or just incorrect.

Peter DeBoer has never won the Stanley Cup (in real life). He's lost in the finals twice. He also wasn't coaching in the NHL 19 years ago. He did win the Memorial Cup 19 years ago, though. So, partial credit for you.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on June 21, 2022, 09:06:28 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on June 21, 2022, 08:13:43 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on June 21, 2022, 08:08:10 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on June 20, 2022, 02:19:16 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on June 20, 2022, 02:01:21 PM
Quote from: herman on June 19, 2022, 10:16:12 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on June 19, 2022, 09:51:47 PM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1538700686296330240

How does he keep getting hired
He won a Stanley Cup just 19 short years ago.

Lies. He never won a Stanley Cup. He's only ever lost in the finals.
Unsure if this is sarcasm or just incorrect.

Peter DeBoer has never won the Stanley Cup (in real life). He's lost in the finals twice. He also wasn't coaching in the NHL 19 years ago. He did win the Memorial Cup 19 years ago, though. So, partial credit for you.
Oh, Lord, somehow I was thinking the discussion was about Tortorella! Oof.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Nik on June 22, 2022, 10:20:20 AM

Looks like Andrew Brunette is out, our old buddy Paul Maurice is in down in Miami.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 22, 2022, 10:42:51 AM
Huh...
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on June 22, 2022, 10:57:57 AM
Well, that's a choice...
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 22, 2022, 11:00:02 AM
Just realized this might increase the odds of them finding a way to re-sign Chiarot (who developed under Maurice in Winnipeg).
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on June 22, 2022, 11:13:43 AM
The coaching carousel continues
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: bustaheims on June 22, 2022, 11:34:46 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 22, 2022, 11:00:02 AM
Just realized this might increase the odds of them finding a way to re-sign Chiarot (who developed under Maurice in Winnipeg).

That would be another choice...
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: OldTimeHockey on June 22, 2022, 12:54:28 PM
Quote from: Nik on June 22, 2022, 10:20:20 AM

Looks like Andrew Brunette is out, our old buddy Paul Maurice is in down in Miami.

51-18-6 and out. Seems like they prefer Maurice's 13-11-5 record. I mean, not exactly even teams, but this is a head scratcher for sure.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 22, 2022, 01:20:11 PM
https://twitter.com/atfulemin/status/1539616552588349441
https://twitter.com/ineffectivemath/status/1539612995852050434

Honestly this is great for the Leafs lol
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 24, 2022, 03:14:20 PM
https://twitter.com/BenPopeCST/status/1540366424174100482
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 24, 2022, 03:18:45 PM
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1540405856696664064

I bet.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 24, 2022, 03:20:21 PM
Lol
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on June 24, 2022, 03:28:07 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 24, 2022, 03:18:45 PM
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1540405856696664064

I bet.

It'll be hilarious when he's behind the bench of some other team at training camp.
"Well when I said I didn't want to get into coaching right away, I meant attending the draft and such"
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 24, 2022, 03:47:47 PM
Quote from: Zee on June 24, 2022, 03:28:07 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 24, 2022, 03:18:45 PM
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1540405856696664064

I bet.

It'll be hilarious when he's behind the bench of some other team at training camp.
"Well when I said I didn't want to get into coaching right away, I meant attending the draft and such associating with the Jets in any way."
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on June 27, 2022, 02:54:19 PM
https://twitter.com/tictactomar/status/1541494657762447365
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 27, 2022, 05:03:32 PM
ROFLMAO
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Frank E on June 27, 2022, 05:26:04 PM
Quote from: herman on June 27, 2022, 05:03:32 PM
ROFLMAO

Never discount the "he does what the owner wants done, and doesn't complain about it when it doesn't go well" part of some GM situations. 

See Dorion, Pierre.

Jacobs is no picknick. 
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on June 30, 2022, 06:09:39 PM
https://twitter.com/detroitredwings/status/1542629093430247425
https://twitter.com/tblightning/status/1542629334103560194

Here comes the pipeline of Tampa cap dumps to former GM's new team
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on July 01, 2022, 10:38:55 AM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1542843405457317889
I dare them to go back to Ron Wilson
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on July 01, 2022, 12:57:47 PM
https://twitter.com/darrendreger/status/1542907720050905095
Everyone very into that Dallas Stars style of make nothing happen
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: lamajama on July 03, 2022, 12:26:28 AM
Well in my humble opinion....if I was a Jet fan I'd be very very underwhelmed.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on July 03, 2022, 12:29:20 AM
https://twitter.com/saadyousuf126/status/1543380777798361088

And San Jose hoses Boughner and the other assistants by relieving them well after several vacancies were filled.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on July 05, 2022, 12:10:24 AM
https://twitter.com/kevinweekes/status/1544166362167353348

https://twitter.com/NHL/status/1544381456545374210
Dude's signing up for a very difficult situation. I hope ownership gives him the leeway and time to set things aright, because that cap sheet is just anchor after anchor.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on July 05, 2022, 04:10:05 PM
About time.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on July 07, 2022, 02:15:23 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1545108144891875330
Well deserved for absolutely impeccable credentials and achievements of... checks notes... being the GM's son.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on July 11, 2022, 09:06:57 AM
https://twitter.com/Senators/status/1546468300909121536
They make it sound like they didn't have one of these before...
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Zee on July 11, 2022, 12:39:11 PM
Quote from: herman on July 11, 2022, 09:06:57 AM
https://twitter.com/Senators/status/1546468300909121536
They make it sound like they didn't have one of these before...

Nice picture they decided to use, the "I want to kill you" look.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on July 11, 2022, 04:36:09 PM
Quote from: herman on July 07, 2022, 02:15:23 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1545108144891875330
Well deserved for absolutely impeccable credentials and achievements of... checks notes... being the GM's son.

https://twitter.com/KevinWeekes/status/1546577286492741634
I cackled
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on July 21, 2022, 10:32:11 PM
https://twitter.com/sheng_peng/status/1550302489617960962
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on July 22, 2022, 12:23:09 AM
Quote from: herman on July 21, 2022, 10:32:11 PM
https://twitter.com/sheng_peng/status/1550302489617960962
So I guess the Leafs keep Carbery.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on July 28, 2022, 08:17:43 AM
https://twitter.com/canadiensmtl/status/1552625067678367746
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: L K on July 28, 2022, 09:17:38 AM
Quote from: herman on July 28, 2022, 08:17:43 AM
https://twitter.com/canadiensmtl/status/1552625067678367746

And thus the series finale of Lost (Robidas Island) ends.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on July 28, 2022, 09:21:32 AM
Quote from: herman on July 28, 2022, 08:17:43 AM
https://twitter.com/canadiensmtl/status/1552625067678367746
Is he allowed to work remotely from his island?
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 28, 2022, 09:23:19 AM
Not gonna lie I don't remember a single thing about Robias' actual playing career here. I tried guessing how many games he suited up for and I really couldn't decide whether it was for 2 seasons or just like 20 games. Actual answer was 52 games in 14/15 where he had 1 goal and 6 assists.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: Frank E on July 28, 2022, 09:26:09 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on July 28, 2022, 09:23:19 AM
Not gonna lie I don't remember a single thing about Robias' actual playing career here. I tried guessing how many games he suited up for and I really couldn't decide whether it was for 2 seasons or just like 20 games. Actual answer was 52 games in 14/15 where he had 1 goal and 6 assists.

I would have guessed ~10 games.
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on July 28, 2022, 12:35:20 PM
Quote from: Frank E on July 28, 2022, 09:26:09 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on July 28, 2022, 09:23:19 AM
Not gonna lie I don't remember a single thing about Robias' actual playing career here. I tried guessing how many games he suited up for and I really couldn't decide whether it was for 2 seasons or just like 20 games. Actual answer was 52 games in 14/15 where he had 1 goal and 6 assists.

I would have guessed ~10 games.

His tenure as player development coach with the Leafs was longer
Title: Re: Coaching and management changes around the league
Post by: herman on September 30, 2022, 01:32:41 PM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1575895776588226564