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Re: 2022 Blue Jays
« Reply #255 on: June 24, 2022, 04:26:25 PM »
Hopefully the Jays pay that fine for him

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« Reply #256 on: June 25, 2022, 05:06:32 PM »
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Re: 2022 Blue Jays
« Reply #257 on: June 26, 2022, 02:57:33 PM »
The Blue Jays have a pitching problem

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Re: 2022 Blue Jays
« Reply #258 on: June 28, 2022, 11:03:56 PM »
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Re: 2022 Blue Jays
« Reply #259 on: June 29, 2022, 01:03:48 AM »
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Re: 2022 Blue Jays
« Reply #260 on: July 01, 2022, 10:36:39 AM »
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Re: 2022 Blue Jays
« Reply #261 on: July 13, 2022, 12:15:56 PM »

Jays fire Montoyo. Not surprising but I think it's a non-fix masking over a deeper problem.
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Re: 2022 Blue Jays
« Reply #262 on: July 13, 2022, 12:19:03 PM »
Jays fire Montoyo. Not surprising but I think it's a non-fix masking over a deeper problem.

Trying to shock the roster into performing. Not confident in it working.
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Re: 2022 Blue Jays
« Reply #263 on: July 13, 2022, 12:24:36 PM »

Jays fire Montoyo. Not surprising but I think it's a non-fix masking over a deeper problem.
What's the issue you would say?
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Re: 2022 Blue Jays
« Reply #264 on: July 13, 2022, 12:32:55 PM »
What's the issue you would say?

Well, their bullpen isn't very good and none of their big off-season additions are playing particularly well other than Gausman. Combine that with down years from most of their hitters, none of which I think is attributable to Montoyo as he was here last year when they were raking, and the team is struggling. I don't think a new manager fixes any of that.
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Re: 2022 Blue Jays
« Reply #265 on: July 13, 2022, 12:35:36 PM »

Jays fire Montoyo. Not surprising but I think it's a non-fix masking over a deeper problem.
What's the issue you would say?

well at least partly he doesn't listen to his own damn players. Called a first base out challenge in the game last night even though Vladdy clearly told him not to, that he (Vladdy) missed the base and the runner was safe. Runner WAS safe, and the Jays lost their challenge.....and pretty much the very next play they could've used it but couldn't because Montoya had wasted it.

Just makes me wonder how much other stuff is going on.

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Re: 2022 Blue Jays
« Reply #266 on: July 13, 2022, 12:50:57 PM »
Montoyo is gone.  FINALLY!!!

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Re: 2022 Blue Jays
« Reply #267 on: July 13, 2022, 01:09:26 PM »
sneaky announcement time :D
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Re: 2022 Blue Jays
« Reply #268 on: July 13, 2022, 01:12:19 PM »
Something is broken with the team. I'm not sure the manager is the broken piece but it's the easiest to swap out.

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Re: 2022 Blue Jays
« Reply #269 on: July 13, 2022, 01:13:18 PM »
Meh?  I'm not the biggest Montoyo fan but I also don't think this changes much about the fate of the team.

They aren't losing games because Montoyo is pulling the wrong strings.  Sometimes you have a manager who overplays veterans or relies on certain relievers too much.  I'm not seeing that from him. 

The offense has a terrible approach at the plate this year.  There hasn't been an adjustment to their hitting approach.  That is far more on Guillermo Martinez. 

The bullpen is just garbage.  Too many soft throwing guys.

The rotation fell apart when Ryu was bad/got hurt (Jays got incredibly lucky to get two seasons of good health out of him) and then Kikuchi was unsurprisingly bad.  Stripling is a good pitcher but it killed the bullpen depth to lose the long-man to offset the unreliable back of the rotation.

This season is more an indictment on Shapiro/Atkins than Montoyo.

I'm also not fussed about firing Charlie though because I don't think he's a manager that is going to bring a team to a championship either.   A change was probably necessary at some point in the next 1-2 years for the Jays to take the next step either way.  I just don't think firing him now is going to do much to fix a very flawed roster that has to compete in a brutal division.