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Messages - Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington

#1
Why would they do that in this case?
#2
Any chance the Leafs swing a deal for Markstrom, accepting that goalies are voodoo?
#3
Regarding Reaves, wouldn't he have needed to pass a physical/medical before the Leafs signed him? I can only assume that didn't happen, because how on Earth would he have passed if he needs those knee supports to function?
#4
Quote from: Bender on January 08, 2024, 04:31:45 PM
Quote from: Britishbulldog on January 08, 2024, 03:19:24 PMI really don't understand the negotiating stance the Leafs took with this deal.

If the player was willing to take less than expected then give him the NTC.  If you are paying him top dollar than he loses the NTC.  Nylander got both.

If the deal is 8 then the player takes less as they decline in ability due to age or if they want top dollar then they get fewer years so that they aren't given superstar money as a 2nd or 3rd line player.  Nylander got both.

The makeup of a Stanley Cup team is NOT a mystery.  It has been consistent for decades with only a few exceptions over that whole time.  How close is Toronto to a Stanley Cup team??

Not sure if they will win the Cup with this core 4...EVER.

I am shocked that the Leafs feel Matthews and Nylander have signed the best deal possible to build a Stanley Cup champion.  All 4 boys have FULL NTCs so Leaf fans are stuck with that salary structure.

Some of you folks seem hopeful about the Leafs winning a Cup with the contracts being handed out.

I don't think anyone thinks this is a deal for the Leafs, but we have to be hopeful otherwise what's the point? Also realistically what was the alternative? The Leafs had no leverage. If Nylander has an average year we'd pay him $10m-$10.5 and people wouldn't bat an eye. Unfortunately for us he's having a contract year. Maybe he doesn't make more elsewhere but so what? He could still just walk somewhere else because he feels like it and maybe in a lower tax state etc.

Let's see what we do with Marner & Tavares.

With Marner it will almost certainly be a similar story - pay him the increase that he wants or he'll go to free agency. The question is - at what AAV do the Leafs walk away? And can they afford to walk away since there will be no return for him other than cap space (still a valuable asset)?
#5
Bet they couldn't wish for a better opponent for a chance to end the losing streak.
#6
Quote from: cw on January 05, 2024, 08:49:44 AM
Quote from: Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington on January 04, 2024, 04:28:31 PM
Quote from: herman on January 04, 2024, 03:00:56 PM
Quote from: Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington on January 04, 2024, 02:56:47 PMGoing the other way, what are potential returns for the below assuming rental only?

Bertuzzi
Brodie
Domi

Bertuzzi - could command a pretty penny but blows a huge hole in an area we've been shopping for for several seasons
Brodie - still our best defensive defenseman, even if Tanev is here
Domi - probably not much other than a change of scenery type; the cap space is the value I'd be after as he's essentially our 4C

I appreciate what Bertuzzi and Brodie offer to the Leafs but I assume all of the above three would be off somewhere else in the summer. Given that (even despite the back to back wins) the team as it is doesn't appear built for a successful playoff run I'm posing this in terms of restocking the cupboard with assets to use in future trades or with decent prospects to improve for next season and beyond. I.e. doing this instead of spending more assets to tool up for a potentially futile playoff run  to the detriment of future campaigns. Though I appreciate it's an unlikely approach.

I've had very similar thoughts.
It would not be an easy sell to MLSE ownership who always seem to want to win now which is why it is unlikely Treliving would even try it. The board & Shanahan may be flipping through the Shanaplan scratching their heads trying to figure out where this fits.

A key factor is what is going on with Nylander. His agent has to know that the closer they get to the trade deadline, their negotiating position probably improves. "Are you going to let Nylander walk for nothing? ..."

It doesn't look like they can seriously contend with the roster as is. They're not as good as they were last year before the trade deadline. The goaltending, D and bottom six all have questions or holes and they are not teeming with young assets to flip to fix it. Of course, no one is thinking of significant injuries that could happen and blow up the best of plans.

A factor in this thinking has to be "what does the UFA market look like this summer if we have a fire sale?" They couldn't fix the D last summer (some of that probably for cap reasons)

The next few weeks could decide Treliving's future in Toronto. He's not in an easy place. Ignoring ownership (which the GM can't), I would look at blowing it up some as an option if I thought I could reload for a better shot next year. It may be the UFA market sucks and their best shot is now. I don't know.

So if they go down the selling route would a first, a second and two third round draft picks or equivalent prospects be realistic if management decided to sell off those three with some salary retention? Thinking a second for Domi, third for Brodie and a first and third for Bertuzzi.

Then there's the potential to take on a significant but summer 2024 expiring contract or maybe two to help another team free up space for another sweetener. Maybe that nets two more thirds. But then there are more assets to trade this summer or at future trade deadlines without having to give up the likes of Cowan, Mintern and Niemala.
#7
Quote from: herman on January 04, 2024, 03:00:56 PM
Quote from: Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington on January 04, 2024, 02:56:47 PMGoing the other way, what are potential returns for the below assuming rental only?

Bertuzzi
Brodie
Domi


Bertuzzi - could command a pretty penny but blows a huge hole in an area we've been shopping for for several seasons
Brodie - still our best defensive defenseman, even if Tanev is here
Domi - probably not much other than a change of scenery type; the cap space is the value I'd be after as he's essentially our 4C

I appreciate what Bertuzzi and Brodie offer to the Leafs but I assume all of the above three would be off somewhere else in the summer. Given that (even despite the back to back wins) the team as it is doesn't appear built for a successful playoff run I'm posing this in terms of restocking the cupboard with assets to use in future trades or with decent prospects to improve for next season and beyond. I.e. doing this instead of spending more assets to tool up for a potentially futile playoff run  to the detriment of future campaigns. Though I appreciate it's an unlikely approach.
#8
Going the other way, what are potential returns for the below assuming rental only?

Bertuzzi
Brodie
Domi
#9
Quote from: azzurri63 on December 30, 2023, 09:21:40 PM
Quote from: Joe on December 30, 2023, 09:19:49 PM
Quote from: azzurri63 on December 30, 2023, 08:51:35 PMI actually find it funny Joe and maybe just maybe there will be changes soon. Whether it's coach, core or scrubs at least something.

Hey if that's how you see it that's cool. It's just that it comes across as frustration and I just had to ask how is that enjoyable for you.

Been cheering for this team for 40+ years nothings changed just a passionate Wop. If it bothered me or caused me stress I'd be dead by now.

Did you mean moaning and whingeing about this team for 40+ years? Because I don't ever see any cheering from you
#10
Quote from: cw on December 27, 2023, 03:11:33 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on December 27, 2023, 02:33:56 PM
Quote from: Bender on December 27, 2023, 01:31:59 PMI understand they need to spend in order to be contenders but my god that is some bad asset management. It'd be nice to have someone like Hagel to show for it.

That's why, as much as I liked Dubas as a person, he had to go.  Totally misjudged the real chances of winning in his early years — and they had enough talent on hand that it shouldn't have taken them so long to win a round.
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on December 27, 2023, 02:33:56 PM
Quote from: Bender on December 27, 2023, 01:31:59 PMI understand they need to spend in order to be contenders but my god that is some bad asset management. It'd be nice to have someone like Hagel to show for it.

That's why, as much as I liked Dubas as a person, he had to go.  Totally misjudged the real chances of winning in his early years — and they had enough talent on hand that it shouldn't have taken them so long to win a round.

Lamoriello arguably has some responsibility for the Marleau contract.
I too think Dubas got too aggressive too soon. Thought so at the time.
With the cap, they needed a flow of economical youth flowing on to the roster.
They have a tough decision this March. The assets required to get what they need will truly mortgage the near future.

I'd definitely be exploring what Domi and Bertuzzi could return in a trade since chances of success this season are low. Possibly Brodie too. Get some assets back and then look to push on the next two seasons.
#11
Thanks for the explanations guys
#12
Quote from: herman on December 22, 2023, 01:36:17 PMhttps://twitter.com/mapleleafs/status/1738265732566089769

Just wondering what the benefit of signing him to an ELC is as opposed to leaving him unsigned until a later date?
#13
All Sports But Hockey / Re: EPL - 2023-2024
December 02, 2023, 10:52:01 AM
Dont suppose any of you care about/have even heard of League One Leyton Orient?

Harry Kane scored his first ever professional goal playing for us...amd had his first red card in a different game.
#14
Given the need to upgrade in goal and defence to stand a chance of doing anything special in the playoffs, is there the potential for us to accept these flaws and cash in on Bertuzzi or/and Domi in February for assets (that could be re-used at the deadline in other trades that help improve the D, in the summer, or to stock the pipeline) and then see how the rest of the season goes? Or does it send the wrong message and instead they just ride through to the summer, maybe make the playoffs second round at best with a fair bit of luck and upgrade then using the cap space from those two, Samsonov and Brodie coming off?

We'd presumably need to sign Nylander to a new contract before considering option 1. But I'be tempted to trade those two if it means having a much better chance in 24/25, since it doesn't look like the Leafs will be close to a serious contender this season (accepting it's not even December yet).
#15
Quote from: Bill_Berg_is_pissed_off on November 13, 2023, 06:35:38 PMKlingberg!

What does that do to the ask though (genuine question as someone with much less knowledge than most on here)