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Messages - Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate

#1
Quote from: Guilt Trip on May 14, 2024, 09:02:36 PMDon't forget JT was matched to against the Pasta line in the playoffs.  His main job was defending and did a good job overall. 

Aside from the series-winning-goal (yes, big exception) Pastrnak didn't look overly dangerous as in years past.
#2
Eh, I wouldn't touch him.  His "miss" was a huge failure in judgment, at the very least.
#3
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 09, 2024, 09:27:06 AMAnyway Keefe is a good coach. I have no doubt he'll get hired somewhere relatively quickly and have success. But this was very clearly at least one year too late.

I think he's a mediocre coach gifted with talent.  Inexcusable how he couldn't adjust when aspects of the team's game went south, the PP this time a case in point.
#4
Quote from: herman on May 09, 2024, 09:23:15 AMIs it unfair of me to keep hitching Keefe's style and Marner's style together? Great regular season results (but not outright dominant...), and middling to sour playoff results.

Is it Mitch Marner style, or is he just a very good follower of his coach's requests? Keefe kept saying Marner played great, but it very visibly wasn't what we needed from him.

Yes, it is.
Quote from: herman on May 09, 2024, 09:23:15 AMIs it unfair of me to keep hitching Keefe's style and Marner's style together? Great regular season results (but not outright dominant...), and middling to sour playoff results.

Is it Mitch Marner style, or is he just a very good follower of his coach's requests? Keefe kept saying Marner played great, but it very visibly wasn't what we needed from him.

Well, now we'll test the hypothesis.  If Marner can't adapt better in next season's playoffs (assuming we make it) that gives us the answer.
#5
Quote from: cw on May 07, 2024, 06:56:55 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on May 07, 2024, 11:40:15 AM
Quote from: cabber24 on May 07, 2024, 11:28:55 AMPaying guys off the charts to the detriment of everything else is a terrible plan.
Who was really paid off the charts? Not Matthews or Willy. Marner maybe a million too much? Too much, sure but not PLD, Huberdeau bad.

Since he came into the league, Marner is 10th in NHL scoring.
Since signing the current contract, Marner is 7th in NHL scoring and 8th in ppg
The players in that rental district are getting the kind of dough Marner is.
Marner does something not all of them do: plays a responsible 200 foot game and helps on the PK.
If Marner is overpaid, I do not think it is by much - maybe a few hundred grand.

Marner is not a perfect player but he consistently does a lot of very good things at a high level.

In Leafs all-time career stats, Marner is 3rd in Leafs ppg, 5th in assists, 8th in scoring & 16th in goals. He's only 27 years old.

This cherry picking of game 5-7 playoff stats bothered me.
First of all, you don't get to games 5-7 if you aren't scoring in games 1-4.
Since he pulled on a Leafs jersey in 2016-17, the Leafs leading playoff scorer is ... Mitch Marner!!
With Leafs playoff scoring an issue, people want to get rid of their top playoff scorer to solve it? Doesn't make sense to me.

Since 2017, the Leafs scored 28 PP goals in the playoffs. Marner scored or assisted on 17 of them (61%). With a shift in the difference in the playoffs to special teams increasingly deciding the outcome, chucking the best or one of the best special teams guy(s) (he Pk's too) probably shouldn't be at the top of the list.

There's still a bunch to find out about what happened. I read today about how Tavares & Marner were the Pastrnak checking line with two thirds of their starts in the d-zone because Keefe didn't feel he had anyone else up to it (Kampf & Holmberg according to Keefe were not). Add in Matthews & Nylander injuries and the core 4 were neutralized for a hunk of the series.

I think that some of the over-reactions are emotional / irrational.

We have a window - it is half closed. They need to be careful about what they do.
If they could find a reliable, healthy goalie, the playoff roster as otherwise is would be a contender in my opinion. I hope the media rhetoric dies down trying to find a sacrificial Leafs player lamb for their readers/subscribers and cooler, smarter heads prevail.

This, people.  And lay off the armchair psychologizing already. 
#6
What, exactly, is this Shanaplan we all talk about?  Did he actually write down somewhere "I'm going to get 4 core forwards and pay the living hell out of them and then figure it out from there"?  Or did the fact the his Boy King actually lured Tavares, and he himself managed to pull the magical ping pong ball out of the tub, just sort of lead things in that direction?
#7
Quote from: Bender on May 06, 2024, 07:43:38 PM
Quote from: Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington on May 06, 2024, 05:27:04 PM
Quote from: herman on May 06, 2024, 05:24:51 PMhttps://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1787607991740456996

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Guessing coaching change this summer and Shanahan out in 12 months if that doesn't fix things.

Wake me up when Shanny's fired. I still have some interest but this is about entertainment and the Leafs under Shanahan as of right now are not entertaining.

I have to disagree there.  The Leafs play really entertaining hi-offense hockey ... until mid-April.  In fact they are super-fun to watch.  They just do a 180 once the playoff puck drops.
#8
The only way to trade Marner is to force him out.  That is not going to go well no matter how you cut it.  Poor asset management.  The best thing to do is to see if a new coach can get him to play more N/S as herman said.  Then this time next year you make the decision.  A three-part calculation: You are weighing the chance that he thrives under a new structure versus letting him walk for nothing/4th rounder versus getting rid of him now for pennies on the dollar.
#9
R1G1: TOR v BOS: Bruins 5-1.  MotM: Kämpf 2-0 (unanimous).  HM: McCabe 0/2 (changed my vote; unanimous).
R1G2: TOR v BOS: Leafs 3-2. MotM: Matthews 10-0 (unanimous). HM: Samsonov 0/4. Others: Kämpf 0/3, Domi 0/2, Reaves 0/1.
R1G3: BOS v TOR: Bruins 4-2. MotM: Edmundson 4/0.  HM: Knies 1/3.  Others: Bertuzzi 0/1, Tavares 0/1.
R1G4: BOS v TOR: Bruins 3-1.  MotM: Lyubushkin 3/0 (unanimous).  HM: Marner 0/2.  Others: Knies 0/1.
R1G5: TOR v BOS: Leafs 2-1 OT.  MotM: Woll 7/0 (unanimous).  HM: Knies 0/6.  Others: Tavares 0/1.
R1G6: BOS v TOR: Leafs 2-1.  MotM: Nylander 5/2.  HM: Woll 4/5.  Others: Knies 1/2, Benoit 0/1.
R1G7: TOR v BOS: Bruins 2-1 OT.  MotM: Knies 6/0.  HM: Nylander 2/2.  Others: Edmundson 1/0, Benoit 0/1, McCabe 0/1, Lyubushkin 0/1, Matthews 0/3.

I'm quite sure that's the first time 4 different d-men have gotten accolades in the same game.  Tells you something.

Knies is probably the series MVP.

   
   MotM/Win      MotM/Loss      HonMen      Accolades      Times Voted      Points   
Forwards
57 Tyler Bertuzzi   0      0      0      0      1      1   
24 Connor Dewar   0      0      0      0      0      0   
11 Max Domi   0      0      0      0      1      1   
18 Noah Gregor   0      0      0      0      0      0   
29 Pontus Holmberg   0      0      0      0      0      0   
19 Calle Järnkrok   0      0      0      0      0      0   
64 David Kämpf   0      1      0      1      2      4   
23 Matthew Knies   0      1      2      3      5      9   
16 Mitch Marner   0      0      1      1      1      2   
34 Auston Matthews   1      0      0      1      2      5   
74 Bobby McMann   0      0      0      0      0      0   
88 William Nylander   1      0      1      2      2      6   
75 Ryan Reaves   0      0      0      0      1      1   
89 Nicholas Robertson   0      0      0      0      0      0   
91 John Tavares   0      0      0      0      2      2   
 
Defensemen
2 Simon Benoit   0      0      0      0      2      2   
78 T.J. Brodie   0      0      0      0      0      0   
20 Joel Edmundson   0      1      0      1      2      5   
55 Mark Giordano   0      0      0      0      0      0   
37 Timothy Liljegren   0      0      0      0      0      0   
46 Ilya Lyubushkin   0      1      0      1      2      5   
22 Jake McCabe   0      0      1      1      2      4   
44 Morgan Rielly   0      0      0      0      0      0   
25 Conor Timmins   0      0      0      0      0      0   
 
Goalkeepers
31 Martin Jones   0      0      0      0      0      0.0   
35 Ilya Samsonov   0      0      1      1      1      2.0   
60 Joseph Woll   1      0      1      2      2      6.0   
#10
I think herman is too dismissive of Marner and too enamored of Nylander to be an entirely objective observer of those two but it's hard to deny that Marner had a down season and Nylander seems to be finding his best level.  His other predictions are pretty solid.

All you folks who want to dump Marner be careful what you wish for.  He's an elite talent and I'd love to see what a different coach might be able to spur him to.

I would just point out something that might otherwise get lost in the disappointment, which is that Treliving did a good job overall and a very good job at the deadline.  His additions of Lyubushkin and Edmundson had more positive impact in this series that anything Dubas ever did.  I hope they both stay.  And he added Benoit, who was a found-money home run, including against the Bs.  Our shitty PP and not good enough goaltending from Sammy were our downfall — not the play of the D corps (Rielly perhaps aside).  With Brodie and Giordano gone (and thanks to both of those guys for some good years) they have a chance to add another d-man to a corps that suddenly doesn't look all that bad.
#11
Quote from: TBLeafer on May 04, 2024, 10:35:51 PM
Quote from: Bill_Berg_is_pissed_off on May 04, 2024, 10:31:52 PMWoll has the makings, but if he can't stay healthy, he's not the guy.
Do we even know what happened?

Presumably we will soon.  Same with 34.
#12
If that's a set play it's a set play based on luck.
#13
Quote from: x.jr.benchwarmer on May 04, 2024, 10:33:38 PM
Quote from: A Weekend at Bernier's on May 04, 2024, 10:24:38 PMRielly Rielly Rielly Rielly Rielly

How does Rielly get out-skated to the puck?  He was minus 2 tonight.  And anchored a power play that was awful this series.  And didn't hit all series (naturally).  Man , it is amazing that he gets a relatively free ride by the media for the Leafs defensive woes, IMHO.

He was great last year, mediocre or worse this time.  He deserves some heat for this.
#14
Quote from: Bill_Berg_is_pissed_off on May 04, 2024, 10:31:52 PMWoll has the makings, but if he can't stay healthy, he's not the guy.

Do they dare plan on him and Hildeby?  Pretty big risk, but we might see it.
#15
Quote from: Guilt Trip on May 04, 2024, 10:28:46 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on May 04, 2024, 10:25:23 PM
Quote from: herman on May 04, 2024, 10:22:04 PMWell that was a tough way to go down, but well done by the team to take it all the way.

Yeah, that was a great playoff game.

Funny thing is, the D led the way when we thought they wouldn't.

I hope they keep Edmundson.  He and McCabe and Benoit look like a solid threesome back there.

And credit to Sammy, he played a really good game.
And yet let in another shitty goal and did nothing on the winner...Get out and get it. Glad that's the last of him

And put our fate in the hands of a guy who hasn't demonstrated that we can play a full season?  To be clear, I don't see Samsonov returning but Woll is still a big question mark.  What the hell happened to him anyway?