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2021 Blue Jays General Discussion Thread

Started by Nik, January 19, 2021, 06:54:54 PM

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Nik

Quote from: L K on November 18, 2021, 09:40:57 AM
The rotation is technically better for having a full season of Berrios and not starting the year with Tanner Roark.  That being said we are also banking on Manoah not taking a step back from being pretty phenomenal. 

Maybe, but it also seems as though people are likewise writing off the possibility of Ryu coming back as a front-end guy. Berrios, Ryu and Manoah obviously wouldn't be ideal as a top 3 but I don't think it's fundamentally a tragedy either.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Highlander

And if Pearson can finally step up, I would like to keep Ray around.
"In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's there are few"
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bustaheims

It's obviously still early in his career, but I'm getting more and more concerned that Pearson isn't cut out for a starting role at the MLB level.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

L K

Quote from: bustaheims on November 18, 2021, 02:04:59 PM
It's obviously still early in his career, but I'm getting more and more concerned that Pearson isn't cut out for a starting role at the MLB level.

He didn't show me anything that suggests he has the ability to transition to starter last year.  Not that he can't.  I'd give him every opportunity to show that he deserves to be a starter but I think they need to go into next year with Pearson slotted in as a multi-inning reliever next year.  I don't think you can go into the season with a flexible 5th starter.  If a spot opens up in the rotation its going to be due to injury or the season after when Ryu comes off the books.

Nik


Not shockingly, Ohtani is the unanimous AL MVP with Vladdy Jr. in 2nd and Semien 3rd.

Vlad got 29 of 30 2nd place votes(one, I'm suspecting from a KC writer, went to Salvador Perez). Really a historic season that just had the bad luck of running into a season basically unlike anything we've ever seen in Baseball.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Highlander

Some concerning news, is rumoured that Pete Walker will be offered the Managers post with the Mets.
Hate to lose Pete, he has been a big part of turning pitchers around and getting the best out of everyone.
"In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's there are few"
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Nik

Quote from: Highlander on December 09, 2021, 04:28:54 PM
Some concerning news, is rumoured that Pete Walker will be offered the Managers post with the Mets.
Hate to lose Pete, he has been a big part of turning pitchers around and getting the best out of everyone.

Yeah, I don't think this is particularly true. He's been reported as a candidate that the Mets are interested in but I haven't seen anything close to a credible rumour that he's definitely going to get offered the job.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Dappleganger

Quote from: Nik on December 09, 2021, 05:11:26 PM
Quote from: Highlander on December 09, 2021, 04:28:54 PM
Some concerning news, is rumoured that Pete Walker will be offered the Managers post with the Mets.
Hate to lose Pete, he has been a big part of turning pitchers around and getting the best out of everyone.

Yeah, I don't think this is particularly true. He's been reported as a candidate that the Mets are interested in but I haven't seen anything close to a credible rumour that he's definitely going to get offered the job.

Pay him more. He's in charge of what $80m? of inventory. Get him paid. Less stress of not being the Manager. Easy peasy.


Joe

Not to say thag this is true but I haven't even heard if he's interviewed for the job or that the Mets have even spoken to him. I think this is all based on a Morosi tweet that had no substance to it.

https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1468667917403234305?s=20

Nik

Quote from: Dappleganger on December 09, 2021, 05:17:19 PM
Pay him more. He's in charge of what $80m? of inventory. Get him paid. Less stress of not being the Manager. Easy peasy.

If a guy wants to be a manager and you're not prepared to make him one I think it's generally understood that you'll let them take an offer. I think Walker has done a generally very good job and would like the Jays to keep him but I also don't think the guy is an irreplaceable miracle worker.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

bustaheims

Quote from: Joe S. on December 09, 2021, 05:20:29 PM
Not to say thag this is true but I haven't even heard if he's interviewed for the job or that the Mets have even spoken to him. I think this is all based on a Morosi tweet that had no substance to it.

https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1468667917403234305?s=20

If he was being considered, he's not anymore:

https://twitter.com/NYPost_Mets/status/1470776335140368390
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Dappleganger

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Quote from: Nik on December 09, 2021, 05:22:18 PM
Quote from: Dappleganger on December 09, 2021, 05:17:19 PM
Pay him more. He's in charge of what $80m? of inventory. Get him paid. Less stress of not being the Manager. Easy peasy.

If a guy wants to be a manager and you're not prepared to make him one I think it's generally understood that you'll let them take an offer. I think Walker has done a generally very good job and would like the Jays to keep him but I also don't think the guy is an irreplaceable miracle worker.

Irreplaceable miracle worker? No, of course not, he's just a cog in the machine but a guy that helps you build success. Is he as valuable to the club's success as Charlie Montoyo? I'd say he's more valuable.

Nik

Quote from: Dappleganger on December 14, 2021, 03:03:26 PM
Irreplaceable miracle worker? No, of course not, he's just a cog in the machine but a guy that helps you build success. Is he as valuable to the club's success as Charlie Montoyo? I'd say he's more valuable.

Which is fair enough but if the way to keep him around is give him Montoyo's job you'd be removing him from doing the thing he's proven valuable at and asking him to do a wildly different job he may or may not be good at and have to replace him as pitching coach anyways.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Dappleganger

Quote from: Nik on December 14, 2021, 03:27:04 PM
Quote from: Dappleganger on December 14, 2021, 03:03:26 PM
Irreplaceable miracle worker? No, of course not, he's just a cog in the machine but a guy that helps you build success. Is he as valuable to the club's success as Charlie Montoyo? I'd say he's more valuable.

Which is fair enough but if the way to keep him around is give him Montoyo's job you'd be removing him from doing the thing he's proven valuable at and asking him to do a wildly different job he may or may not be good at and have to replace him as pitching coach anyways.

No, no, no. Just pay him like a Manager as the Pitching coach.

Nik

Quote from: Dappleganger on December 14, 2021, 03:37:58 PM
No, no, no. Just pay him like a Manager as the Pitching coach.

Right but you were responding to my post where I said "if he wants to be a Manager..." so I was going with that as the supposition for why he was interested in the Mets job as opposed to just money.

Although, as pointed out, this all seems to be moot as he doesn't appear to still be in the running(if he ever really was). Honestly though, as much as I like him as a Pitching coach I think the difference in how much you'd have to pay him and what he's worth vs. using that money on an actual baseball player and finding the next best pitching coach you can probably doesn't favour trying to outbid a New York team on a guy they want to manage(which, again, it seems like they don't).
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi