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#1
There is a trend now, usually in relation to `woke` or perceived woke shows, movies, books, etc, that downvote them immediately. Anything that is blatantly anti-right, anti-vax or evokes feminist or LGTBQ+ values automatically gets a 1 star rating or bashed. It`s pretty sad and I absolutely agree that social media (and the implementation and advancement of smartphones in general) has completely derailed the fabric of our society. The lack of both empathy and recourse are dangerous things.
#2
Toronto Blue Jays / Re: 2024 Blue Jays
July 03, 2024, 03:29:49 PM
Quote from: Joe on July 03, 2024, 03:24:40 PMPlease don't take this as if I'm trying to argue with you, from an objective perspective I'm sure your logic is sound. Unfortunately I have no objectivity when it comes to Kirk.

As a jays fan, I can't stand him and I would be shocked to see him getting any kind of significant time or a roster spot on any other mlb team. And I'm sure the sad state of the current team is doing nothing to help my opinion.

You know it`s funny, I really can`t stand him too.. He was the first guy I wanted moved after his big season 2 years ago. I thought his fitness level was a real concern; he clogs the bases and can`t score from 2nd on singles, is a double play machine and, if robot umpires happened soon, that his defensive value would be gone. It certainly hasn`t helped that he seems to have gotten quite a bit further out of shape and is playing the hardest position from a physical standpoint. I just didn`t understand the hyperbole because he really did have potential and value...Either way...he looks horrid right now.
#3
Toronto Blue Jays / Re: 2024 Blue Jays
July 03, 2024, 03:18:42 PM
Quote from: Joe on July 03, 2024, 11:00:37 AMLook - I'm not an advanced stats guy, but even when Kirk's numbers were good, you could tell it was a mirage.

And putting that aside, he's just an absolute black hole on the bases.

I don't know if I've ever hated a blue jays player as much as I hate Kirk. And I think they did shop him around and none of the other GMs were fooled by his smoke show. I guess he can frame the hell out of a pitch. That's an exciting skill.

Here are Kirk's entire ("non-advanced") minor league stats: 567AB 19HR 114RBI 94BB 69SO.318AVG .416OBP .919 OPS
And that's all by the time he reached 22 years old.

OPS stats in the MLB with Toronto, prior to his year: .764, .786, .692

None of those numbers has anything to do with framing or defense, which he excels at.

Again, I'm not sure where this idea that he is so worthless and was a complete smoke and mirrors show comes from.
#4
Toronto Blue Jays / Re: 2024 Blue Jays
July 03, 2024, 10:04:49 AM
Quote from: Arn on July 03, 2024, 06:10:07 AMIt's even worse when you think what they traded away to let him stay.



Kirk had insane MILB numbers and then 2 smoking years in the MLB before the gong show that is this current season. Even last year, which wasn't a particularly good season for Kirk, saw him worth nearly 2 WAR; hardly the numbers of "one of the least deserving MLBers ever." And Moreno this year (who is only a year younger than Kirk, btw) has a 0.9 WAR compared to Kirk's 0.2, with about 45% more at bats.

Varsho + Kirk = 2.6 WAR
Moreno + Gurriel = 1.9 WAR

And Gurriel was an FA prior to this season, so he really doesn't count in this current equation.

It's funny, there are certainly some legitimate concerns and criticisms pertaining to the current management regime (Drafting, particularly in the 1st round, development, coaching, identifying high-end talent) but it seems as though the majority of the vitriol (at least what from I have encountered) is either completely misguided or misinformed.

#5
Toronto Blue Jays / Re: 2024 Blue Jays
June 23, 2024, 10:37:46 AM
Quote from: Frank E on June 21, 2024, 05:31:11 PM
Quote from: L K on June 21, 2024, 04:52:56 PMGeorge Springer is 12th in batting average on the Blue Jays this year.  He's 10th in on base percentage.  He's 13th in slugging percentage.  He's 11th in OBP.  He's 11th in OPS+. 

He's 2nd in plate appearances.  It's absurd.

Schneider says he's trying to get him going...I'm not so sure there's anything left.

He was batting fourth yesterday ..... that....that doesn't make any sense...
#6
Edmonton has had five coaches since the time Babcock started here in 2015. For awhile they looked liked a mess, and some of their signings (Koskinen! Campbell!) looked downright egregious. Goes to show how quickly it can all turn and, potentially, what a new coach can do, I guess. Granted it took five, but Im not sure why we were so hesitant to move away from Keefe.
#7
Quote from: Joe on June 14, 2024, 05:18:06 PM
Quote from: Andy on June 14, 2024, 05:10:31 PM
Quote from: Joe on June 14, 2024, 03:29:04 PM
Quote from: cw on June 14, 2024, 02:37:08 PMIs that the best asset management approach?
I have my doubts.
It is probably not going to end well from a Leafs fan perspective.

Maybe Treliving can help another team to a cup with a Marner trade. Worked so well for him last time.

You know, there are more than a few things one can point out if they want to criticize Treliving's GM acumen but the trading of an impending FA who was refusing to re-sign with his team and had a preferred, singular trade destination and likening that to the current Marner situation is a bit of a stretch.

Absolutely. I can admit that he made something out of being forced into a corner. But he also f'd up that signing because from what I could tell from some older articles Tkachuk was willing to sign a deal a year earlier and Treliving played hardball (or something to that effect, I'd have to dig into it again).

But the real unforced error was that crazy contract he gave huberdeau.

OK, I was unaware about this failed re-signing attempt. And I agree regarding Huberdeau. I still think it's pretty funny that Calgary actually finished 1 point ahead of Florida last year though, just going to show what a crap shoot it all is. 
#8
Quote from: Joe on June 14, 2024, 03:29:04 PM
Quote from: cw on June 14, 2024, 02:37:08 PMIs that the best asset management approach?
I have my doubts.
It is probably not going to end well from a Leafs fan perspective.

Maybe Treliving can help another team to a cup with a Marner trade. Worked so well for him last time.

You know, there are more than a few things one can point out if they want to criticize Treliving's GM acumen but the trading of an impending FA who was refusing to re-sign with his team and had a preferred, singular trade destination and likening that to the current Marner situation is a bit of a stretch.
#9
Toronto Blue Jays / Re: 2024 Blue Jays
June 12, 2024, 10:05:12 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on June 12, 2024, 09:26:07 AM
Quote from: Andy on June 12, 2024, 08:08:44 AMI'm not so sure that's an indictment, considering one is a .600 ops flawed SS and the other a .780 no power below average 1B who is an atrocious base runner. Having both locked up at monumental numbers on long-term extensions would only exacerbate the perceived overall failure.

Sure, if you're going to base your entire assessment of the ~60 games this season rather than their entire careers...

If one were to base their assessment of Vladdy taking into account his entire career, I'm not sure the argument for a long-term deal becomes any stronger. He was even worse last year and has merely one great season under his belt (the covid year where he played in a minor league ballpark the entire time). 1 year 1.000 OPS, 5 years all between .770 and .820. In fact, in 4 of his 6 full years he was a sub .800 OPS player...as a average, at best, 1B with atrocious base running.

With Bichette you're right, he has never hit this poorly before and it's still early. My point with him is simply that I can understand why there might be some trepidation regarding signing him to an egregious, long-term deal when he was really struggled defensively and with consistency at the plate.

#10
Toronto Blue Jays / Re: 2024 Blue Jays
June 12, 2024, 08:08:44 AM
Quote from: Peter D. on June 11, 2024, 11:24:47 PM
Quote from: Arn on June 11, 2024, 04:43:10 AMFrom The Athletic:

QuoteBlue Jays GM Ross Atkins doesn't think it makes sense to trade shortstop Bo Bichette and/or first baseman Vladimir Guerrero Jr. because he'd much rather sign both to long-term extensions. However, if the Blue Jays can't do that by the trade deadline, they'd be foolish not to shop both. One rival executive believes a deadline trade involving either one will only happen if Atkins is replaced.

I dunno what the answer is. Maybe that last line.

Both Vladdy and Bo should have been signed long-term by now.

Trading either or both, or even worse losing both to free agency in the coming offseasons, would be the cherry on top of what's become a failed tenure by Shapiro and Atkins
.  To say they've underachieved with this group and the resources afforded to them would be an understatement.

I'm not so sure that's an indictment, considering one is a .600 ops flawed SS and the other a .780 no power below average 1B who is an atrocious base runner. Having both locked up at monumental numbers on long-term extensions would only exacerbate the perceived overall failure.
#11
Quote from: L K on May 08, 2024, 07:15:23 AMI'm still in the camp that I would have rather had Dubas here as the GM (assuming his end of year presser was truly about him being ready to move on from one of the core 4 and not more grandstanding for the blatant tampering that Pittsburgh did and somehow faced no consequences from)

BUT

Treliving probably gets more flak for the Tkachuk for Huberdeau/Weeger move than really deserved.  I would have loved to have Weeger on the Leafs.  Huberdeau's previous 5 seasons leading up to the trade were 69/82, 92/82, 78/69, 61/55, 115/80.  His 115 point season was an outlier but the previous 3 seasons he averaged 92 points/82 games.

Tkachuck wanted out.  They got a good player back and a solid defenseman.  Obviously Huberdeau hasn't been good in Calgary but I think that's almost as much of a fit problem as anything.   They acquired a pass guy on a team that really lacks shooters. 

Didn't they also get a prospect and a 1st rounder in the deal? Based on the circumstances I think that was a pretty phenomenal return
#12
Quote from: Rob on April 28, 2024, 08:21:20 AMIt does not appear to be a lack of effort.  It appears as though they are lost.  They play a certain way throughout the season, they get to the playoffs and that style of play doesn't work.  Bieksa touched on it last night. 

This is more of a systems / style of play issue


I definitely felt the same way, watching last night. The Leafs just look lost. They had no idea what to do to combat Boston's structured, collapsing system. Boston installed a system and executed it. Toronto a) appears to have to no system and b) has no idea or plan on how to exploit Boston's. And where Boston was able to exploit Toronto's stagnant, predictable PP; Toronto hasn't been able to change or exploit anything. I really see this as more of an indictment on the Leafs' coaching and "systems" than on any player or group of players in particular
#13
Quote from: lamajama on April 26, 2024, 03:27:42 PM
Quote from: Andy on April 26, 2024, 02:50:43 PMOh boy, what a headache this has all turned out to be....

If I knew how to insert the gif oa a monkey plunking the drums and cymbol.....

Well at least he's aspirin to get back into the lineup ;)
#14
I swear, 14 or 15 more 1st round losses and I'm done with these jerks!!
#15
Quote from: Andy on April 24, 2024, 12:58:07 PMKingtome would be my pick for the Utah name......

It's probably not as funny as I think it is, but I still kinda like my Utah Kingtome name...DeNiro could be a celebrity pitchman