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Just for Fun => Ok Blue Jays Talk => Topic started by: Nik on November 10, 2019, 01:29:33 PM
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Just a thread I thought I'd post for some discussions about what we might like to see the Jays do next year. Personally, I'm pretty high on where they finished the year and think they really have an opportunity to improve the team with some smart free agent signings. They've only got 41 million committed for next year(55 if you count Tulo) so there's money to spend but they'll have at least one big arbitration case(Giles) and big question marks elsewhere
Anyways, here's how I think the lineup looks right now for next year:
C: Jansen/McGuire
1B:
2B: Biggio
SS: Bichette
3B: Guerrero
LF: Gurriel
CF:
RF: Grichuk
DH:
Some thoughts: I think this is where the Jays look strongest and have some real interesting options. I think the hope has to be that Grichuk's year was an aberration and he returns to the positive value player he's been for most of his career(interestingly, he may be more valuable to the Jays in CF but the important thing is his bat rebounds). The power positions are the real question marks.
FA Ideas: I don't know if Guerrero might be open to a move to 1B but if so I think Mike Moustakas would be a terrific signing. Heck, even if Guerrero isn't maybe sign Moustakas and ask him to switch? Jose Abreu will be the big name power bat at 1B but I think he'll be over valued.
Pitching Staff:
Chase Anderson
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Some Notes: Obviously this is the biggest question mark. There are some interesting young options with guys like Reid-Foley, Pearson, Zeuch, Kay and so on but I don't know if any of them look like sure bets to make big impacts next year. It may have to be another year of a patchwork rotation.
FA Ideas: Obviously all of the big sexy headlines will be about Strasburg and Cole but personally I don't want to see the Jays anywhere near those conversations. Both guys will be looking for 7 years and 200+ million and no thanks. I kind of like Tanner Roark as a reliable MLB capable starter who could maybe be signed to a reasonable deal.
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Odorizzi and Miley would be good targets for the staff. I would bring back Shoemaker. Hopefully Kay can land a spot in the rotation. I'd like Puig in the outfield.
Jays have a lot of options this off-season and I think it's time to improve the roster, they have some good pieces to build around. It'll be interesting what Shapiro and Atkins can get done.
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Odorizzi and Miley would be good targets for the staff. I would bring back Shoemaker. I'd like Puig in the outfield.
I agree about Odorizzi being a good signing. I just worry that he may have inflated his value a little with his very good W-L record.
Puig is an interesting idea but would that mean moving Grichuk to Center permanently?
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Odorizzi and Miley would be good targets for the staff. I would bring back Shoemaker. I'd like Puig in the outfield.
I agree about Odorizzi being a good signing. I just worry that he may have inflated his value a little with his very good W-L record.
Puig is an interesting idea but would that mean moving Grichuk to Center permanently?
I suppose, he plays the position well enough but personally I'd move on from him but that isn't going to happen.
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Odorizzi accepted his qualifying offer, which is kind of a surprise. So there goes that.
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It had been rumoured but the Pirates hired the Jays' VP of Baseball Ops Ben Cherington as their new GM.
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It had been rumoured but the Pirates hired the Jays' VP of Baseball Ops Ben Cherington as their new GM.
You never want to hold people back from advancing their careers but this is a blow to the organization.
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It had been rumoured but the Pirates hired the Jays' VP of Baseball Ops Ben Cherington as their new GM.
You never want to hold people back from advancing their careers but this is a blow to the organization.
Sure but I think that given Cherington's resume it would have been safe to assume he was going to be a GM hire at some point so I have to assume he was seen as a temporary employee regardless.
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It had been rumoured but the Pirates hired the Jays' VP of Baseball Ops Ben Cherington as their new GM.
You never want to hold people back from advancing their careers but this is a blow to the organization.
Sure but I think that given Cherington's resume it would have been safe to assume he was going to be a GM hire at some point so I have to assume he was seen as a temporary employee regardless.
Oh no doubt but it’s a big loss to the scouting/drafting for the team.
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The starting rotation will most likely be some combination of :
Roark/Tehran/Shoemaker
Chase Andersen
Thornton
Kay
Zeuch
Waguespack
This is not promising.
Atkins won't have a chance at any of the big arms Stras, Cole, Wheeler so he'll have to settle for the 2nd or 3rd tier pitchers. A better way to shore up the rotation is via trade.
I'd like them to take a shot at Calhoun. He can play all 3 outfield positions and he can be had for round $7MM.
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Rosenthal is saying the Jays are among the teams pursuing Zack Wheeler.
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I think Wheeler's a pretty good pitcher but for 100+ million? Eep.
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Atkins bought Rosenthal lunch
not happening unless it's a massive overpay
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Atkins bought Rosenthal lunch
not happening unless it's a massive overpay
To some extent or another that's always been true of the Jays and free agents. They can sign them but only if they're the last guys in the room and willing to be the highest bidder. Wheeler's not a guy I'd do that with.
Real success with this team is going to come through the farm system and building from within. I know the people who want the Jays to be competitive every year won't like that but it's unavoidable.
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I think Wheeler's a pretty good pitcher but for 100+ million? Eep.
Giving up the 5th pick in the 2nd round is tough too.
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Wheeler signs in Philly for $118M/5 years.
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Yeah, they're welcome to him at that price.
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I'm going to be frustrated with the team because it really isn't going to be better than last year but you just can't get upset at not paying a guy stupid money. Wheeler is a good pitcher, he's not a 23 million dollar pitcher.
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The starting rotation will most likely be some combination of :
Roark/Tehran/Shoemaker
Chase Andersen
Thornton
Kay
Zeuch
Waguespack
This is not promising.
Atkins won't have a chance at any of the big arms Stras, Cole, Wheeler so he'll have to settle for the 2nd or 3rd tier pitchers. A better way to shore up the rotation is via trade.
I'd like them to take a shot at Calhoun. He can play all 3 outfield positions and he can be had for round $7MM.
Borucki could be a part of that as well if he can get his health in order.
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I'm going to be frustrated with the team because it really isn't going to be better than last year but you just can't get upset at not paying a guy stupid money. Wheeler is a good pitcher, he's not a 23 million dollar pitcher.
And apparently it wasn't his highest offer.
Improvement is going to be internal. They might add a piece or so in free agency but that's not where the problem is going to be solved.
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The starting rotation will most likely be some combination of :
Roark/Tehran/Shoemaker
Chase Andersen
Thornton
Kay
Zeuch
Waguespack
This is not promising.
Atkins won't have a chance at any of the big arms Stras, Cole, Wheeler so he'll have to settle for the 2nd or 3rd tier pitchers. A better way to shore up the rotation is via trade.
I'd like them to take a shot at Calhoun. He can play all 3 outfield positions and he can be had for round $7MM.
Borucki could be a part of that as well if he can get his health in order.
Don't think we are going to have to wait too long to add Pearson to the list. Kay may surprise as well. I liked his stuff in the few games he played in September.
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The starting rotation will most likely be some combination of :
Roark/Tehran/Shoemaker
Chase Andersen
Thornton
Kay
Zeuch
Waguespack
This is not promising.
Atkins won't have a chance at any of the big arms Stras, Cole, Wheeler so he'll have to settle for the 2nd or 3rd tier pitchers. A better way to shore up the rotation is via trade.
I'd like them to take a shot at Calhoun. He can play all 3 outfield positions and he can be had for round $7MM.
Borucki could be a part of that as well if he can get his health in order.
Don't think we are going to have to wait too long to add Pearson to the list. Kay may surprise as well. I liked his stuff in the few games he played in September.
Pearson is the 2nd best pitching prospect in baseball so can't wait for him to arrive. Still though we will need 2 more legit starters. Like Stroman - lol
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The starting rotation will most likely be some combination of :
Roark/Tehran/Shoemaker
Chase Andersen
Thornton
Kay
Zeuch
Waguespack
This is not promising.
Atkins won't have a chance at any of the big arms Stras, Cole, Wheeler so he'll have to settle for the 2nd or 3rd tier pitchers. A better way to shore up the rotation is via trade.
I'd like them to take a shot at Calhoun. He can play all 3 outfield positions and he can be had for round $7MM.
Borucki could be a part of that as well if he can get his health in order.
Don't think we are going to have to wait too long to add Pearson to the list. Kay may surprise as well. I liked his stuff in the few games he played in September.
Pearson is the 2nd best pitching prospect in baseball so can't wait for him to arrive. Still though we will need 2 more legit starters. Like Stroman - lol
2 bad about the Strobro but dat is da game...Sanchez looks like he is going the way of the Dodo. To bad about his problems. Jays have Pearson and Manoah who is projected to be another beast and several other good arms in the pipeline. I know the pitching is coming like the cavalry, maybe not fast enough to save this years wagon train but 2021 looks a lot better.
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Is anyone advocating signing a top-tier pitcher to a bananas contract like Cole even as a defensive measure so that Boston and the Yankees don't get stacked again?
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Is anyone advocating signing a top-tier pitcher to a bananas contract like Cole even as a defensive measure so that Boston and the Yankees don't get stacked again?
That's not really practical. With the resources those teams have there's always going to be someone they'll be able to spend money on.
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Is anyone advocating signing a top-tier pitcher to a bananas contract like Cole even as a defensive measure so that Boston and the Yankees don't get stacked again?
That's not really practical. With the resources those teams have there's always going to be someone they'll be able to spend money on.
Very few guys in the history of baseball have been good for 9 straight years. Let the Yankees deal with the contract after it goes sideways. Yankees have the dough to do that. The Jays do not.
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Very few guys in the history of baseball have been good for 9 straight years. Let the Yankees deal with the contract after it goes sideways. Yankees have the dough to do that. The Jays do not.
I think that's well said. It's not just that the Yankees have the ability to pay a pitcher 36 million a year, it's that if they only get 4 or 5 good years out of Cole they can chalk it up as a win and just eat the rest as a sunk cost.
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Very few guys in the history of baseball have been good for 9 straight years. Let the Yankees deal with the contract after it goes sideways. Yankees have the dough to do that. The Jays do not.
I think that's well said. It's not just that the Yankees have the ability to pay a pitcher 36 million a year, it's that if they only get 4 or 5 good years out of Cole they can chalk it up as a win and just eat the rest as a sunk cost.
True dat! Jays need Dubas to come over and negotiate the big money contracts.
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Jays add SP Tanner Roark, 24/2
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Jays add SP Tanner Roark, 24/2
Are we happy with this addition?
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Good signing, I think. A #3/4 guy but a solid inning eater.
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A little pricier than I expected him to go for (I figured closer to $10M per) but a solid and reliable middle to back of the rotation guy.
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I like the signing. Now sign Keuchel, and one of Teheran or Miley and we’re set.
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A little pricier than I expected him to go for (I figured closer to $10M per) but a solid and reliable middle to back of the rotation guy.
I mean every pitcher is getting overpaid at this point. The rotation needed help and he's a decent option. I'm still hoping they can come to an agreement with Ryu but I see him more likely staying in California.
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A little pricier than I expected him to go for (I figured closer to $10M per) but a solid and reliable middle to back of the rotation guy.
Its a real solid signing (pundits where calling for 18M for two, so the deal is still very OK).
So if Pearson can make a successful jump and Shoemaker plays like he did until his injury then we may have a solid, yet unspectacular starting rotation. The money being paid to some of the top line pitchers is insane and not a route the Jays should take. As Nik posted they have to build from within.
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After some further review and a misreading in an article from this AM, I am not that enthralled by the signing. We did overpay, although it seems if you can throw a ball over a plate, that you get over 4M a year. Rourke is 33 and perhaps should have rated at 6 to 8M a year.
His HR count at the end of last year was atrocious. Hope our outfielders have springs on their shoes so they can jump higher than the fence...a lot higher than the fence. ;)
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Happ? Encarnacion?
https://www.thestar.com/sports/blue_jays_baseball_blog/2019/12/10/blue-jays-need-more-than-pitching-at-mlb-s-winter-meetings.html
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Happ? Encarnacion?
https://www.thestar.com/sports/blue_jays_baseball_blog/2019/12/10/blue-jays-need-more-than-pitching-at-mlb-s-winter-meetings.html
Edwin come home. Jay Hapless, not so much!
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I'm okay with Roark as a #3 starter, but not as our ace. He'll at least help prevent the rotation become a revolving door as he should stay healthy and eat a lot of innings.
Hopefully there is still another higher caliber starter added to the mix for next season. I'd like Ryu as well, but not sure he'd come to Toronto.
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Great thing about Jays baseball to me. I don't take it seriously (unless they make the playoffs-unlikely), its a great time-wasting, relaxing, time to have a few beers, a burger or doggie, and listen to the dulcet tones of Buck droning me into a semi catatonic happy place, where even neighbour's lawn mowers can't piss me off. Win or lose, no problem.
Now with the Leafs....
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Jays sign Japanese pitcher Shun Yamaguchi:
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https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/tanner-roarks-steadiness-opens-possibilities-blue-jays/ (https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/tanner-roarks-steadiness-opens-possibilities-blue-jays/)
According to Davidi the Jays are still in on Ryu but may choose to wait a year to look at adding expensive pitching. They also talk about the possibility of trading for David Price.
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The free agent class next year is Robbie Ray, James Paxton and Trevor Bauer (and Stroman).
I’m not really seeing the big upside to waiting for next years crop unless the hope is that the insane prices revert back next offseason.
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The free agent class next year is Robbie Ray, James Paxton and Trevor Bauer (and Stroman).
I’m not really seeing the big upside to waiting for next years crop unless the hope is that the insane prices revert back next offseason.
I think it's less about there being a huge upside and more about being unsure about Ryu who, although he had a big year, doesn't have a history of consistency or durability.
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The free agent class next year is Robbie Ray, James Paxton and Trevor Bauer (and Stroman).
I’m not really seeing the big upside to waiting for next years crop unless the hope is that the insane prices revert back next offseason.
It's what happens when you run the team into the ground and now they can't get players to come here. There was no reason to trade Stroman - he could have anchored this rotation for the next few seasons.
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The free agent class next year is Robbie Ray, James Paxton and Trevor Bauer (and Stroman).
I’m not really seeing the big upside to waiting for next years crop unless the hope is that the insane prices revert back next offseason.
I think it's less about there being a huge upside and more about being unsure about Ryu who, although he had a big year, doesn't have a history of consistency or durability.
Consistency is going to be an issue with the top free agent class next year too. You also aren’t signing Ray or Bauer for 80 million
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Consistency is going to be an issue with the top free agent class next year too. You also aren’t signing Ray or Bauer for 80 million
Well, the way I heard it is that the real question in some people's minds is Paxton vs. Ryu. Honestly, at the free agent prices going around, I don't really like any of those guys.
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Way to much money, doesn't baseball have a cap and if not, why not??
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Jays go dumpster diving to get a new 1B. Travis Shaw who had two good years in SAN Diego and then was abysmal last year.
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Jays go dumpster diving to get a new 1B. Travis Shaw who had two good years in SAN Diego and then was abysmal last year.
Hoping Shaw is more of a utility infield type. He's played more third than first, and has also played second in his career. It's a dumpster dive for sure, but the guy drove in 100+ two years ago. It could be a good find if it works out.
My biggest concern is that this is in fact the first base platoon with Telez and that they're not going to sign EE. If that's the case, I'm pissed. As a utility infielder, I'm good with this move.
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Shaw is a a weird case, projections willbe near impossible. One thing is sure, he must hit or its yet another shitty signing.
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Well, I'm not huge on this because of the risk factors but this should at least close off some of the "The Jays can't sign anyone" talk.
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Well, I'm not huge on this because of the risk factors but this should at least close off some of the "The Jays can't sign anyone" talk.
I’m not a big fan of the signing either but I like it because it will shut up the people who say that this front office won’t or can’t sign a significant free agent
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I like it but have to ask did they change course? I mean what happened to the slow and patient re-build they keep preaching. Honestly, as the 3rd largest city in NA we should be trying to win the WS every single season.
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I like it but have to ask did they change course? I mean what happened to the slow and patient re-build they keep preaching. Honestly, as the 3rd largest city in NA we should be trying to win the WS every single season.
The teams that have actually won things in recent years are teams that have done so with players they develop themselves. "Trying to win" by spending like drunken sailors every winter might make fans feel better but there's no real case that it actually involves any actual championships.
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Ryu is a fastball master and is in command of his pitches.
“Control” means where the pitch (ball) is supposed to go in the zone but “Command” means where you want your pitch (ball) to be. Two different things yet similar.
Name Team Zero-K FB% swSTR Command+
Hyun-Jin Ryu Dodgers 48.4% 11.5% 112
Marco Gonzales Mariners 34.5% 8.4% 111
Kyle Gibson Twins 52.1% 13.5% 110
Noah Syndergaard Mets 58.9% 11.7% 107
Tanner Roark Reds 53.1% 8.8% 106
Merrill Kelly D-backs 49.6% 8.9% 106
Cole Hamels Cubs 54.9% 11.1% 104
Ivan Nova White Sox 54.3% 8.5% 102
Rick Porcello Red Sox 58.1% 7.6% 102
Jake Odorizzi Twins 58.8% 12.7% 101
Mike Fiers Athletics 50.7% 7.2% 99
Trevor Cahill Angels 40.2% 9.4% 98
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A healthy Ryu would be a true #1 starter, which would be huge - and, at a relative bargain compared to what other top flight pitchers have signed for. Obviously, health and age are a concern, but, he's not a power pitcher, so, as long as he can stay healthy, I'm not super worried about the aging curve.
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I like it but have to ask did they change course? I mean what happened to the slow and patient re-build they keep preaching. Honestly, as the 3rd largest city in NA we should be trying to win the WS every single season.
The teams that have actually won things in recent years are teams that have done so with players they develop themselves. "Trying to win" by spending like drunken sailors every winter might make fans feel better but there's no real case that it actually involves any actual championships.
I disagree with this. The successful teams need to be active on 4 fronts:
First Year Player Draft
International signings
Trades
Free Agent signings
Atkins and company have mentioned the Astros as a team they would like to model themselves on and as one that was built through the draft. While they have done well drafting, by being active in free agency and trades is what got them to where they are now.
Drafted
Altuve
Springer
Correa
Bregman
International amateur signings
Alvarez
Gurriel
Mostly of the other impact players were obtained via trade or FA signings.
Verlander
Cole
Greinke
Osuna
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All of the guys you list as impact guys they got via trade and free agency(and none were free agents, they were all traded for) were guys they got after they had rebuilt themselves internally. Nobody is saying you never make trades or add free agents just that you first need to draft guys like Correa and Bregman which you can't do unless you rebuild and are bad for a while.
Because, aside from everything else, you need to build up your system so that you're able to put the pieces in a trade that land you guys like Cole/Verlander/Greinke.
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All of the guys you list as impact guys they got via trade and free agency(and none were free agents, they were all traded for) were guys they got after they had rebuilt themselves internally. Nobody is saying you never make trades or add free agents just that you first need to draft guys like Correa and Bregman which you can't do unless you rebuild and are bad for a while.
Because, aside from everything else, you need to build up your system so that you're able to put the pieces in a trade that land you guys like Cole/Verlander/Greinke.
Actually Altuve was not drafted he was signed as an Amateur Free Agent.
Point is they are active on all fronts to improve the team. Shatkins narrative up until now, has been patience and build through the draft but I believe the pressure to field a winning team forced their hand a bit and they went out and got Ryu.
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It's probably also worth mentioning that the team you're saying is evidence of the way the Astros were built for Championships is the 2019 Astros who didn't win the title and not the 2017 Astros who did. They didnt have Cole or Greinke or Osuna and only had Verlander for the second half of the season and the playoffs.
The 2017 Astros were much more about guys they developed internally and not very exciting guys like Mike Fiers, Charlie Morton and Brian McCann.
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Also, I don't think Shapiro or Atkins have ever specified the draft as the only way to add amateur talent into the farm system. I'm pretty sure they know about and appreciate the value of signing amateur free agents as they signed more than 30 international guys this summer.
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Apparently with the Ryu deal done, Scott Boras has now negotiated more than a billion dollars worth of deals for his Clients this off-season between Cole, Strasburg, Rendon, Keuchel, Moustakas and some others.
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I kind of like what they've done, but I liked what they did in abut 2013 when they brought in Dickey, Cabrera etc and that didn't really pay off so let's hope this one goes a bit better.
The rotation has gone from a load of bit parts to potentially fairly decent. If the kids can kick on there's potential to be only a few games back of a wild card berth. The team now should definitely go a few games above 500 though barring injuries etc
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Honestly, as the 3rd largest city in NA we should be trying to win the WS every single season.
Just to quickly say that this is both A) untrue and B) largely meaningless. It's untrue because Mexico is in North America and it's meaningless because the population of the city itself isn't really relevant when talking about how much money a team is generating. Chicago, by any meaningful measurement, is bigger than Toronto as are the cities in Texas with baseball teams. Ranked by Metro area Toronto ranks 6th in the US and Canada with 6-9 being separated by around 100,000 people(or roughly 1.6%).
Sure, ok, Toronto is still within the group of larger cities in Baseball but they are also taking in dollars worth 75% of their competitors while still having to pay US salaries.
So if you really try to get a sense of where the Jays "should" be in terms of payroll it's probably closer to 10-15 then it is the top 3.
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I have to say I'm pleasantly surprised by the Ryu signing. The Jays will be a more interesting team to watch now. They could still use more pitching, but at the same time they have plenty of guys who could use development at the MLB level.
I'm kind of intrigued by the David Price talk. My guess is that ship has sailed now that they have Ryu. But who knows. The Jays could certainly use at least one more solid pitcher for the rotation if they have any aspirations of competing this season.
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I'm kind of intrigued by the David Price talk. My guess is that ship has sailed now that they have Ryu. But who knows. The Jays could certainly use at least one more solid pitcher for the rotation if they have any aspirations of competing this season.
I think the Price talk was the Jays pressuring the Ryu camp into making a decision, especially since the rumours have really died down now that Ryu signed. I'd still be interested too, but if you have to give up assets AND take a huge chunk of that salary I'm not sure it makes that much sense.
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I'm kind of intrigued by the David Price talk. My guess is that ship has sailed now that they have Ryu. But who knows. The Jays could certainly use at least one more solid pitcher for the rotation if they have any aspirations of competing this season.
I think the Price talk was the Jays pressuring the Ryu camp into making a decision, especially since the rumours have really died down now that Ryu signed. I'd still be interested too, but if you have to give up assets AND take a huge chunk of that salary I'm not sure it makes that much sense.
I sort of feel it was the other way around. That the Jays were hedging their bets a bit on Ryu and would have been genuinely interested in taking Price and even paying him a decent sized chunk of his salary in the event that Ryu went elsewhere. With Ryu on board, whether by necessity or just self-interest, I think the Jays are probably less willing to take on a big chunk of Price's money and there's a point at which trading Price and not shedding enough of his salary just doesn't make sense for the Red Sox.
The question as I see it is at what point does Price have real value. Right now he's got 3 years at 32 million a year left and I think we'd all agree he's nowhere near that kind of pitcher and wouldn't get close to that as a free agent. But if the Red Sox ate money so that he was, say, 3 years and 17 per? 15? 12? I think somewhere in there is where he starts to have value.
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Sure, or it could have been a mixture of the two. Certainly Price has some potential value and fits a hole so obviously it would have been a avenue to explore but I think that Ryu was easily target #1 and I wouldn't be surprised if some of that Price interest was leaked to pressure Ryu into making a quicker decision. I'm just spit-balling a bit here anyway.
I think taking Price at half of the remaining salary is where his value comes into play but that also means you're probably giving up some kind of meaningful prospect (or two) and I'm not so sure that's worth it at this stage.
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I think taking Price at half of the remaining salary is where his value comes into play but that also means you're probably giving up some kind of meaningful prospect (or two) and I'm not so sure that's worth it at this stage.
I think that's more or less right but I think the ultimate issue will be how desperate Boston is to cut payroll and what other teams might be willing to take a chance on Price. If there is another team willing to give up real prospects to pay Price 16 million per then I'd probably be with you that I wouldn't be on board with the Jays trying to match that.
If Boston doesn't move Betts or Martinez though and it would only take some fringe prospects? That's where there'd be a real upshot to being involved.
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Without signing Ryu I'm on board with Price, but yeah, I don't think that there is a great price point where his value is going to be worth the salary. The Red Sox either eat the majority of his contract and then want stuff in return or you take on too much salary and it affects the internal cap.
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I'm kind of intrigued by the David Price talk. My guess is that ship has sailed now that they have Ryu. But who knows. The Jays could certainly use at least one more solid pitcher for the rotation if they have any aspirations of competing this season.
I think the Price talk was the Jays pressuring the Ryu camp into making a decision, especially since the rumours have really died down now that Ryu signed. I'd still be interested too, but if you have to give up assets AND take a huge chunk of that salary I'm not sure it makes that much sense.
Atkins leaked the rumor and it worked. The training wheels have come off
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The Price is not right, but would take a hit on Edwin for a season.
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Ryu is no stranger to Toronto, well, kind of...this is where he wants to be:
“I came here in 2013 and experienced some of the Korean fervour of the fans. So I am asking for the Korean fans in Toronto to come out and support me even more now that I’m a Toronto Blue Jay.”
The Korean journo complement wanted to know: Where are you going to live, where will you eat?
“There’s some time for me to get adjusted,” he demurred. Albeit added the customary observation: “It’s an incredibly clean city and it’s a joy for me to be here.”
https://www.thestar.com/sports/bluejays/opinion/2019/12/27/blue-jays-ace-and-joker-hyun-jin-ryu-makes-himself-at-home-in-incredibly-clean-toronto.html
About him wearing #99...his agent quipped:
Given Ryu will wear No. 99, one reporter made a point to ask about Wayne Gretzky during the half-hour media availability. A grinning Boras, well-versed in the seismic Gretzky trade between the Edmonton Oilers and Los Angeles Kings in 1988, took the lead on the reply.
"Canada lent No. 99 to LA," Boras said. "So with Hyun-Jin, we thought we would return it back to Canada."
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/hello-canada-ace-left-hander-hyun-jin-ryu-signs-with-toronto-blue-jays-1.4744844
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The Price is not right, but would take a hit on Edwin for a season.
He signed with the white Sox.
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Who's this Yamaguchi fellow? Is he likely to be in the rotation?
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Who's this Yamaguchi fellow? Is he likely to be in the rotation?
He'll be fighting for one of the back of the rotation spots.
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Who's this Yamaguchi fellow? Is he likely to be in the rotation?
https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=yamagu001shu (https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=yamagu001shu)
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Who's this Yamaguchi fellow? Is he likely to be in the rotation?
He'll be fighting for one of the back of the rotation spots.
Thank you for that. Wasn't sure if he was specifically acquired as a reliever.
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The Jays have reached agreements with Brandon Drury, Ken Giles and Matt Shoemaker, avoiding arbitration with all of them.
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Brandon Drury and Derek Fisher are two guys I'm not excited to see get playing time next year.
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Brandon Drury and Derek Fisher are two guys I'm not excited to see get playing time next year.
100%
Atkins needs to cut his losses and just move on from both of them.
Urena was claimed by by the Orioles. He's only 23, they gave up on him way to quickly - seems like he didn't even get a fair chance to show his stuff. Who knows...maybe he could have been used in the OF.
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Urena turns 24 in February. His AAA career OPS is .660. His AA career OPS is .650. What am I missing here?
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Urena turns 24 in February. His AAA career OPS is .660. His AA career OPS is .650. What am I missing here?
I don’t think you’re missing anything. Urena is a replacement level player. He doesn’t do anything particularly well - or even above average. He’s a weak hitter with poor OBP, and he’s not an especially good defensive player, either. He’s a bench utility guy at best.
He’s basically a similar value player to Drury and Fisher, but with much less power potential.
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Urena turns 24 in February. His AAA career OPS is .660. His AA career OPS is .650. What am I missing here?
Fisher had a .924+ OPS in AAA and he sucks.
You can't just look at the numbers in isolation. Urena needs to be developed. He was having a good season in 2018 and started out well in 2019 then they send him down. That messed him up.
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You need to develop the 24yo .600 AAA OPS guy? Who's blocked by literally the Jays' entire infield? Really?
And funny thing, Fisher has only 130 more MLB at bats than Urena. So he hasn't had a fair chance either, and he actually DID produce in the minors.
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You need to develop the 24yo .600 AAA OPS guy? Who's blocked by literally the Jays' entire infield? Really?
And funny thing, Fisher has only 130 more MLB at bats than Urena. So he hasn't had a fair chance either, and he actually DID produce in the minors.
Yes you do need to develop him. It's the whole point of the draft, acquire assets and maximize their value - either use them within or trade them for other assets. Drury and Fisher both suck and they proved it last season and both are more than 2 years older than Urena. Shatkins has a thing for player they acquired - how else to explain his love for Drury and Fisher?
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Brandon Drury and Derek Fisher are two guys I'm not excited to see get playing time next year.
I think we could all agree that if Drury gets anything close to the 450 plate appearances he had last year it'd be a bad sign but I think he's got real value to the team as a bench player who you can put at 5 or 6 positions and not embarrass himself while hoping his offensive numbers rebound a little to where they were in Arizona.
This is especially true, I think, if the Jays at some point this year get realistic about Vladdy Jr's future as a defensive player. Having an inhouse guy to slide in there may make the transition slightly easier.
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how else to explain his love for Drury and Fisher?
Well, in Drury's case it's that he's shown he can hit Major League pitching at a reasonable clip over a full season and likewise Fisher with minor league pitching. With Urena you're hoping that you can just say the word "development" and it be some sort of magic wand that turns a bad minor league hitter into a good major league hitter.
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how else to explain his love for Drury and Fisher?
Well, in Drury's case it's that he's shown he can hit Major League pitching at a reasonable clip over a full season and likewise Fisher with minor league pitching. With Urena you're hoping that you can just say the word "development" and it be some sort of magic wand that turns a bad minor league hitter into a good major league hitter.
Drury hasn't been relevant since 2017.
Urena has some good winter ball numbers. We will see. I was hoping they try him in the OF, maybe he turns into a LGJ light.
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Drury hasn't been relevant since 2017
Ok. Urena has never been relevant.
Feel free to think that the Jays could turn him into something if you want and I'm sure your expert scouting opinion will be given all the respect it deserves but I don't think the rest of us are going to see the Jays preferring to go with guys who have some sort of proven aptitude at hitting professional pitching as an unfathomable mystery that needs to be explained.
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Drury hasn't been relevant since 2017
Ok. Urena has never been relevant.
Feel free to think that the Jays could turn him into something if you want and I'm sure your expert scouting opinion will be given all the respect it deserves but I don't think the rest of us are going to see the Jays preferring to go with guys who have some sort of proven aptitude at hitting professional pitching as an unfathomable mystery that needs to be explained.
development comes with opportunity, playing time and patience- it's not magic. Shapiro himself has mentioned this numerous times.
They needed to maximize his value. Remember Gurriel? he was a disaster in the infield, couldn't throw a ball if his life dependent on it, he was sent down and by chance found himself in LF. No magic.
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They needed to maximize his value. Remember Gurriel? he was a disaster in the infield, couldn't throw a ball if his life dependent on it, he was sent down and by chance found himself in LF. No magic.
And likewise, the Jays had Urena and he couldn't hit. So they sent him down to the high minors and gave him a ton of at bats and he still couldn't hit. So, despite those years of attempted development, they eventually realized that bad minor league hitters don't just flip a switch and become good major league hitters and moved on.
They have other guys they can give at bats to. Nothing Urena did, in the minors or in the big leagues, singled him out as being particularly worthy of exceptional patience or opportunity and that's before you factor in trying to shift positions with him.
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They needed to maximize his value. Remember Gurriel? he was a disaster in the infield, couldn't throw a ball if his life dependent on it, he was sent down and by chance found himself in LF. No magic.
And likewise, the Jays had Urena and he couldn't hit. So they sent him down to the high minors and gave him a ton of at bats and he still couldn't hit. So, despite those years of attempted development, they eventually realized that bad minor league hitters don't just flip a switch and become good major league hitters and moved on.
They have other guys they can give at bats to. Nothing Urena did, in the minors or in the big leagues, singled him out as being particularly worthy of exceptional patience or opportunity and that's before you factor in trying to shift positions with him.
He was the one of the best hitters coming of the gate in 2019 then this...
https://jaysjournal.com/2019/04/13/blue-jays-option-richard-urena-minors/
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Gurriel, though, was someone who could hit. He hit minor league pitching, then he hit major league pitching pretty well, then he hit minor league pitching again. Being patient with him defensively is not the same thing as hoping a 24 year old learns how to hit.
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He was the one of the best hitters coming of the gate in 2019 then this...
https://jaysjournal.com/2019/04/13/blue-jays-option-richard-urena-minors/
24 at-bats. He had 8 hits in 24 at-bats. Then, over the course of the season, he firmly established why you don't pay attention to miniscule sample sizes with his continued inability to meaningfully hit minor league pitching.
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He was the one of the best hitters coming of the gate in 2019 then this...
https://jaysjournal.com/2019/04/13/blue-jays-option-richard-urena-minors/
24 at-bats. He had 8 hits in 24 at-bats. Then, over the course of the season, he firmly established why you don't pay attention to miniscule sample sizes with his continued inability to meaningfully hit minor league pitching.
A young player that has a hot spring, remains hot to start the season, is one of the better hitters on the team is sent down in favor of Hanson and Brito. We know how that worked out.
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A young player that has a hot spring, remains hot to start the season, is one of the better hitters on the team is sent down...
Where he struggles to hit minor league pitching.
If he was really "one of the better hitters on the team" and not someone who had a handful of hits to start the year then he wouldn't have put up a sub .600 OPS in the minors.
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A young player that has a hot spring, remains hot to start the season, is one of the better hitters on the team is sent down...
Where he struggles to hit minor league pitching.
If he was really "one of the better hitters on the team" and not someone who had a handful of hits to start the year then he wouldn't have put up a sub .600 OPS in the minors.
Yes he struggled. What's your point?
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A young player that has a hot spring, remains hot to start the season, is one of the better hitters on the team is sent down...
Where he struggles to hit minor league pitching.
If he was really "one of the better hitters on the team" and not someone who had a handful of hits to start the year then he wouldn't have put up a sub .600 OPS in the minors.
Yes he struggled. What's your point?
I think he's made his point repeatedly lol.
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A young player that has a hot spring, remains hot to start the season, is one of the better hitters on the team is sent down...
Where he struggles to hit minor league pitching.
If he was really "one of the better hitters on the team" and not someone who had a handful of hits to start the year then he wouldn't have put up a sub .600 OPS in the minors.
Yes he struggled. What's your point?
I think it's made pretty clear in the second paragraph. He wasn't a "good hitter" because good hitters don't have sub .600 OPS in the minors. He had a handful of lucky games to start the season but the team brass knew he still wasn't a MLB calibre hitter.
They sent him down to work on his hitting, he was atrocious in the minors so eventually they reached a conclusion that he wasn't much of a prospect and decided to instead favour guys who'd proven to be able to hit professional pitching.
Again, think they're wrong all you want but it's not like they're bucking some sort of conventional wisdom by not thinking a 24 year old with 2700 minor league at bats could all of a sudden become a good major league hitter.
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A young player that has a hot spring, remains hot to start the season, is one of the better hitters on the team is sent down...
Where he struggles to hit minor league pitching.
If he was really "one of the better hitters on the team" and not someone who had a handful of hits to start the year then he wouldn't have put up a sub .600 OPS in the minors.
Yes he struggled. What's your point?
I think it's made pretty clear in the second paragraph. He wasn't a "good hitter" because good hitters don't have sub .600 OPS in the minors. He had a handful of lucky games to start the season but the team brass knew he still wasn't a MLB calibre hitter.
You seriously just said it was luck? laughable.
They sent him down to work on his hitting, he was atrocious in the minors so eventually they reached a conclusion that he wasn't much of a prospect and decided to instead favour guys who'd proven to be able to hit professional pitching.
Show me one article where it says they sent him down to work on his hitting.
Again, think they're wrong all you want but it's not like they're bucking some sort of conventional wisdom by not thinking a 24 year old with 2700 minor league at bats could all of a sudden become a good major league hitter.
April/March
Socrates Brito: .310 OPS
Alen Hanson: .419 OPS
Urena : .740 OPS
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You seriously just said it was luck? laughable.
If his .333 average over 24 at-bats to start the season was a reflection of his actual abilities as a hitter as opposed to the deviations that can occur by random chance in a tiny sample size then he'd have been able to hit within 120 points of that in the Minors. He wasn't, so, yeah. Luck.
Show me one article where it says they sent him down to work on his hitting.
I think I'd probably stick with the fact that he proved himself fairly incapable of hitting minor league pitching over the year.
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You seriously just said it was luck? laughable.
If his .333 average over 24 at-bats to start the season was a reflection of his actual abilities as a hitter as opposed to the deviations that can occur by random chance in a tiny sample size then he'd have been able to hit within 120 points of that in the Minors. He wasn't, so, yeah. Luck.
Send him down because he can't hit minor league pitching? Come on. Send him down to work on hitting because he's struggling to hit MLB pitching - absolutely. We do know the Jays continued to struggle hitting all year and finish with one of the worst records in franchise history (bottom 5).
I think it may have been a turning point in the kids career - unfortunately in the wrong direction - Atkins just messed up.
Show me one article where it says they sent him down to work on his hitting.
I think I'd probably stick with the fact that he proved himself fairly incapable of hitting minor league pitching over the year.
What were his minor league numbers over those 2000+ AB's?
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Send him down because he can't hit minor league pitching?
No, send him down because he's not a good hitter. Something he proved conclusively with his inability to hit minor league pitching.
Seriously. You, right now, are arguing that a guy who couldn't OPS .600 in the minor leagues would have been a good major league hitter.
What were his minor league numbers over those 2000+ AB's?
I feel like you're just as capable of reading Baseball Reference as I am.
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Send him down because he can't hit minor league pitching?
No, send him down because he's not a good hitter. Something he proved conclusively with his inability to hit minor league pitching.
Seriously. You, right now, are arguing that a guy who couldn't OPS .600 in the minor leagues would have been a good major league hitter.
What were his minor league numbers over those 2000+ AB's?
I feel like you're just as capable of reading Baseball Reference as I am.
You are so stuck on his minor league numbers. He had a career minors BA of .270 and he carried that over to the majors so....
I'm questioning Atkins judgement and his ability to asses talent. He chose to go with Brito and Hanson over Urena and said this about Brito "there's incredible incredible upside and potential with him".
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You are so stuck on his minor league numbers.
Yes. Because believe it or not there is no better indicator of whether or not someone will be a successful major league hitter.
He had a career minors BA of .270
His average by level:
Rookie Ball: .320
A: .266
High A: .286
AA: .251
AAA: .250
Those are the numbers of someone who can't hit minor league pitching, let alone major league pitching(Although OPS is much more meaningful than batting average but whatever at this point)
Urena's relatively ok 2018 hitting numbers were mainly the result of an unsustainable .424 BABIP so, again, pretty clearly the result of luck instead of any actual hitting ability which his subsequent stints in the minors confirmed.
I'm questioning Atkins judgement and his ability to asses talent. He chose to go with Brito and Hanson over Urena and said this about Brito "there's incredible incredible upside and potential with him".
I'm not really invested in what decision Atkins made for his bench depth last year as opposed to what this conversation started being about(which was Urena vs. Drury or Fisher) but I think it's pretty clear that the decision was keeping Hansen around as the bench INF while sending Urena to Buffalo where he could get at-bats and actual playing time while the team tried to develop him. Neither Urena or Hansen were going to get time over Galvis or Sogard so it was probably in the team's best interests to send the better prospect down.
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When I saw all the new posts in this thread I was excited to read about some new development/rumour...not to scroll through two pages on Richard Urena!?
Absolutely be a critic of Atkins if you want to Empire, but this seems like a poor choice of hill to die on, for the countless reasons that Nik and others have brought up.
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You are so stuck on his minor league numbers.
Yes. Because believe it or not there is no better indicator of whether or not someone will be a successful major league hitter.
Absolute statements like that don't work in baseball. I think your looking at results and trying to fit them indto your argument. 2 examples below prove your belief is incorrect:
According to you:
Reese McGuire should not be in the majors because he can't hit minor league pitching
Derek Fisher should be in the major because he can hit minor league pitching
Using your belief system you would be wrong on both counts; and those are only 2 examples from the same team let alone checking all 30 MLB teams
He had a career minors BA of .270
His average by level:
Rookie Ball: .320
A: .266
High A: .286
AA: .251
AAA: .250
Those are the numbers of someone who can't hit minor league pitching, let alone major league pitching(Although OPS is much more meaningful than batting average but whatever at this point)
Urena's relatively ok 2018 hitting numbers were mainly the result of an unsustainable .424 BABIP so, again, pretty clearly the result of luck instead of any actual hitting ability which his subsequent stints in the minors confirmed.
I'm questioning Atkins judgement and his ability to asses talent. He chose to go with Brito and Hanson over Urena and said this about Brito "there's incredible incredible upside and potential with him".
I'm not really invested in what decision Atkins made for his bench depth last year as opposed to what this conversation started being about(which was Urena vs. Drury or Fisher) but I think it's pretty clear that the decision was keeping Hansen around as the bench INF while sending Urena to Buffalo where he could get at-bats and actual playing time while the team tried to develop him. Neither Urena or Hansen were going to get time over Galvis or Sogard so it was probably in the team's best interests to send the better prospect down.
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Absolute statements like that don't work in baseball.
Sure they do. Baseball is the most quantifiable of the sports and the sport where absolute statements based on quantifiable facts are the most likely to be applicable.
I think your looking at results and trying to fit them indto your argument. 2 examples below prove your belief is incorrect:
According to you:
Reese McGuire should not be in the majors because he can't hit minor league pitching
Derek Fisher should be in the major because he can hit minor league pitching
Using your belief system you would be wrong on both counts; and those are only 2 examples from the same team let alone checking all 30 MLB teams
So this is just about complete nonsense. What I said is that hitting in the minor leagues is the single best indicator(and I hope I don't need to explain that "best" doesn't mean absolute) of whether or not someone will be a good hitter in the major leagues, not "hitting in the minor leagues is the only factor in whether or not someone should be a major leaguer". There are lots of first basemen who are better hitters than any SS but those SS earn their spots with their defensive abilities. Likewise, McGuire is in the major leagues because of his defensive position/abilities. Fisher, who so far hasn't proven he can hit major league pitching, doesn't factor into this at all.
None of this is applicable to the Urena situation.
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When I saw all the new posts in this thread I was excited to read about some new development/rumour...not to scroll through two pages on Richard Urena!?
Absolutely be a critic of Atkins if you want to Empire, but this seems like a poor choice of hill to die on, for the countless reasons that Nik and others have brought up.
On the surface it may look like a poor choice but Atkins thought process on most - if not every - major league move is the same. Go down the list - Hanson, McKinney, Fisher, Brito....and it goes on and on.
His drafting record is really good but it's been the complete opposite with MLB moves. He's proven to be poor at assessing MLB talent this was just another example.
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Absolute statements like that don't work in baseball.
Sure they do. Baseball is the most quantifiable of the sports and the sport where absolute statements based on quantifiable facts are the most likely to be applicable.
Making a statement is not quantifying anything though. It's just your opinion which is fine.
I think your looking at results and trying to fit them indto your argument. 2 examples below prove your belief is incorrect:
According to you:
Reese McGuire should not be in the majors because he can't hit minor league pitching
Derek Fisher should be in the major because he can hit minor league pitching
Using your belief system you would be wrong on both counts; and those are only 2 examples from the same team let alone checking all 30 MLB teams
So this is just about complete nonsense. What I said is that hitting in the minor leagues is the single best indicator(and I hope I don't need to explain that "best" doesn't mean absolute) of whether or not someone will be a good hitter in the major leagues, not "hitting in the minor leagues is the only factor in whether or not someone should be a major leaguer". There are lots of first basemen who are better hitters than any SS but those SS earn their spots with their defensive abilities. Likewise, McGuire is in the major leagues because of his defensive position/abilities. Fisher, who so far hasn't proven he can hit major league pitching, doesn't factor into this at all.
None of this is applicable to the Urena situation.
Complete nonsense? ok.
The examples I showed you stand and they are very clear, you can chose to call them nonsense if you want....and I have another one below.
McGuire is in the majors for his bat, Jansen for his work behind the plate although they were drafted for the opposite reasons, McGuire for his glove and Jansen for his bat. Not sure what your basing that off but McGuire has proved to be the better hitter and Jansen the better defender. It's why top prospects require patience and an opportunity to show their stuff. Urena, Jansen, McGuire were all in the top 100. Yet another example with Jansen, he's proven to be a really good defender although that's not what got him to the majors.
Both would have never gotten to the majors using your "indicator". So now 4 examples that goes against your statement "there's no better indicator..."
I would have gone with "a" or "one" indicator, that would have been more accurate
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It's just your opinion which is fine.
It's emphatically not. If you know of a better indicator for being a good major league hitter than being a good minor league hitter, you're certainly welcome to suggest one and let it stand up to statistical scrutiny.
The examples I showed you stand and they are very clear, you can chose to call them nonsense if you want...
Which I will because it's a clear indication that you aren't able to understand what I said.
McGuire is in the majors for his bat, Jansen for his work behind the plate although they were drafted for the opposite reasons, McGuire for his glove and Jansen for his bat.
None of these are factual statements.
Not sure what your basing that off but McGuire has proved to be the better hitter and Jansen the better defender. It's why top prospects require patience and an opportunity to show their stuff. Urena, Jansen, McGuire were all in the top 100. Yet another example with Jansen, he's proven to be a really good defender although that's not what got him to the majors.
Both would have never gotten to the majors using your "indicator".
I think you've either stayed up too late or are just flailing around because you're no longer even writing coherent sentences.
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Mind boggling conversation. And I thought pledging to be done with the team simply because they cut Ryan freakin Tepera was bad.....
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It's just your opinion which is fine.
It's emphatically not. If you know of a better indicator for being a good major league hitter than being a good minor league hitter, you're certainly welcome to suggest one and let it stand up to statistical scrutiny.
"Emphatically not"? Ok.
There are numerous factors and variables, minor league numbers is only a factor, none are absolute.
The examples I showed you stand and they are very clear, you can chose to call them nonsense if you want...
Which I will because it's a clear indication that you aren't able to understand what I said.
Ok but not sure what you base that on.
McGuire is in the majors for his bat, Jansen for his work behind the plate although they were drafted for the opposite reasons, McGuire for his glove and Jansen for his bat.
None of these are factual statements.
Yes it is factual.
Reese McGuire Career WAR 1.3 OPS+ 133
Danny Jansen Career WAR 1.7 OPS+ 79
Both are major league competent catchers but for different reasons. McGuire has stuck due to his bat and to a lesser extent his glove, Jansen due to his receiving skills only atm. Now things could change but as of now McGuire is the more gifted hitter while Jansen is a slightly better receiver.
Reese McGuire Career Minor league OPS .672. The Pirates gave up on him.
Danny Jansen Career Minor League OPS .777
MLB Pipeline Scouting Grades
Reese McGuire
Hit: 50 | Power: 35 | Run: 45 | Arm: 55 | Field: 60 | Overall: 40
"...a gifted defensive catcher out of Washington, at No. 14."
"Defense will always be the driving force behind McGuire's game."
Danny Jansen
Hit: 55 | Power: 45 | Run: 30 | Arm: 50 | Field: 50 | Overall: 55
"That Jansen makes a lot of contact, understands the strike zone and recognizes pitches well highlights his upside as an offensive-oriented catcher"
Not sure what your basing that off but McGuire has proved to be the better hitter and Jansen the better defender. It's why top prospects require patience and an opportunity to show their stuff. Urena, Jansen, McGuire were all in the top 100. Yet another example with Jansen, he's proven to be a really good defender although that's not what got him to the majors.
Both would have never gotten to the majors using your "indicator".
I think you've either stayed up too late or are just flailing around because you're no longer even writing coherent sentences.
Which sentence was not coherent? I will try and re-word
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It's just your opinion which is fine.
It's emphatically not. If you know of a better indicator for being a good major league hitter than being a good minor league hitter, you're certainly welcome to suggest one and let it stand up to statistical scrutiny.
"Emphatically not"? Ok.
There are numerous factors and variables, minor league numbers is only a factor, none are absolute.
The examples I showed you stand and they are very clear, you can chose to call them nonsense if you want...
Which I will because it's a clear indication that you aren't able to understand what I said.
McGuire is in the majors for his bat, Jansen for his work behind the plate although they were drafted for the opposite reasons, McGuire for his glove and Jansen for his bat.
None of these are factual statements.
Not sure what your basing that off but McGuire has proved to be the better hitter and Jansen the better defender. It's why top prospects require patience and an opportunity to show their stuff. Urena, Jansen, McGuire were all in the top 100. Yet another example with Jansen, he's proven to be a really good defender although that's not what got him to the majors.
Both would have never gotten to the majors using your "indicator".
I think you've either stayed up too late or are just flailing around because you're no longer even writing coherent sentences.
Which sentence was not coherent? I will try and re-word
I think anyone reading this thread have already made up their minds based on the arguments presented. Can we move on?
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There are numerous factors and variables, minor league numbers is only a factor, none are absolute.
Right. So that's why I said:
What I said is that hitting in the minor leagues is the single best indicator(and I hope I don't need to explain that "best" doesn't mean absolute)
Now, clearly I did need to explain that to you as all of your subsequent posts seemed to entirely misunderstand that very basic premise. Likewise, saying that minor league hitting numbers are the best indicator we have of successful major league hitting does not, repeat does not, conclusively say who should or who shouldn't be in the majors so all of your "examples" are just nonsense.
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There are numerous factors and variables, minor league numbers is only a factor, none are absolute.
Right. So that's why I said:
What I said is that hitting in the minor leagues is the single best indicator(and I hope I don't need to explain that "best" doesn't mean absolute)
Now, clearly I did need to explain that to you as all of your subsequent posts seemed to entirely misunderstand that very basic premise. Likewise, saying that minor league hitting numbers are the best indicator we have of successful major league hitting does not, repeat does not, conclusively say who should or who shouldn't be in the majors so all of your "examples" are just nonsense.
You are just ignoring what I posted but that's on you.
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A good read on the depth in the Jays farm system:
https://www.tsn.ca/scott-mitchell-nate-pearson-tops-toronto-blue-jays-top-50-prospects-list-1.1428288 (https://www.tsn.ca/scott-mitchell-nate-pearson-tops-toronto-blue-jays-top-50-prospects-list-1.1428288)
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A good read on the depth in the Jays farm system:
https://www.tsn.ca/scott-mitchell-nate-pearson-tops-toronto-blue-jays-top-50-prospects-list-1.1428288 (https://www.tsn.ca/scott-mitchell-nate-pearson-tops-toronto-blue-jays-top-50-prospects-list-1.1428288)
Nice to see Kay and Woods Richardson ranked that high.
Here's one on Pearson:
https://www.mlb.com/news/nate-pearson-ready-for-blue-jays-spring-training
If Pearson arrives some time this year and Ryu pitches well, that could be a very strong top 2.
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I'll gladly criticize Shapiro for this decision. Yuck:
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Jays have signed Joe Panik to a minor league deal.
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BA released their new top 100.
Pearson 7
Groshans 29
Woods Richardson 61
With Woods Richardson ranked there and Kay appearing to be in the mix for a rotation spot this season, the return on Stroman is looking good.
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I'm eargerly looking forward to the explanation on this one:
https://www.tsn.ca/blue-jays-reese-mcguire-arrested-for-exposing-himself-1.1441695
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Fangraphs put out their top prospects list and the Jays have 4 guys in the top 100. Pearson is at #8, Simeon-Richardson at #76, Groshans at #80 and Orelvis Martinez at #89.
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I'm eargerly looking forward to the explanation on this one:
https://www.tsn.ca/blue-jays-reese-mcguire-arrested-for-exposing-himself-1.1441695
Coming off a break out year this is not good. More details here https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7996799/Blue-Jays-investigating-arrest-C-McGuire.html
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Sounds like a strange situation for the kid, I hope there is some kind of explanation that makes sense but I am not that hopeful. I guess he will be playing for Houston soon.
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The report is he was masterbating in his car watching porn on his phone with no pants on. The police asked him why he was doing this in the parking lot of a strip mall when he lived a few blocks away. Too bad I thought he was better than Jannsen but looks like he will be done as a Jay.
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The report is he was masterbating in his car watching porn on his phone with no pants on. The police asked him why he was doing this in the parking lot of a strip mall when he lived a few blocks away. Too bad I thought he was better than Jannsen but looks like he will be done as a Jay.
He’s either a) Stupid.
b) Took something that interfered with his mental clarity.
*c) A reckless idiot.
*I’m thinking this one is more like it.
No excuses for him. If he will be done as a Jay, good riddance. I’ve lost respect for such a person. He obviously had brain enough to think but elected to be careless & irresponsible. And in a public place with females around.
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Sadly, it seems as though Tony Fernandez has passed away.
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Ugh one of my favorite Jays of all time. Sad news. Rest in peace Tony.
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I remember Tony Fernandez. A beloved Blue Jay. Rest In Peace.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-icon-tony-fernandez-passes-away-age-57/
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Tony will always be my favorite Blue Jay, I loved the guy. His gangly style at the plate, reminded me of a Praying Mantis, I always called him the "Insect Man" because of it. In an affectionate way of course.
Had three friends pass this week all within 24 hours, this feels like the 4th. Way to young.
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Rob Manfred. Intentionally the worst commissioner in professional sports or just incompetently so?
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Rob Manfred. Intentionally the worst commissioner in professional sports or just incompetently so?
It's really interesting to me how so many players are actually speaking out against the Astros and Manfred. It's just not really something you see from baseball players in general. I think this sign stealing thing has a long way to run yet..
Even Mike Trout spoke out!
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Revisiting the riveting debate on Urena, he was DFA by the Orioles.
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It was probably inevitable but the Jays have decided to black out their games on MLB.tv throughout Canada and have them exclusively on Sportsnet.
It's not something particular to the Jays as I think the MLSE teams are worse for it but it does strike me as particularly damaging to Baseball, a sport that's struggling to bring in young fans, to make streaming their product much more expensive than comparable entertainment options. For the cost of being able to legally stream all MLB games I could get all of Netflix, Spotify, Disney+, AppleTV and XBox Games Pass for roughly the same price.
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It was probably inevitable but the Jays have decided to black out their games on MLB.tv throughout Canada and have them exclusively on Sportsnet.
It's not something particular to the Jays as I think the MLSE teams are worse for it but it does strike me as particularly damaging to Baseball, a sport that's struggling to bring in young fans, to make streaming their product much more expensive than comparable entertainment options. For the cost of being able to legally stream all MLB games I could get all of Netflix, Spotify, Disney+, AppleTV and XBox Games Pass for roughly the same price.
Ya Nik, I don't see any upside in the decision at all. We need to have young viewers and most are affixed to streaming devices.
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It was probably inevitable but the Jays have decided to black out their games on MLB.tv throughout Canada and have them exclusively on Sportsnet.
It's not something particular to the Jays as I think the MLSE teams are worse for it but it does strike me as particularly damaging to Baseball, a sport that's struggling to bring in young fans, to make streaming their product much more expensive than comparable entertainment options. For the cost of being able to legally stream all MLB games I could get all of Netflix, Spotify, Disney+, AppleTV and XBox Games Pass for roughly the same price.
Another problem with this is MLB.tv is a great service and Sportsnet NOW sucks.
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It was probably inevitable but the Jays have decided to black out their games on MLB.tv throughout Canada and have them exclusively on Sportsnet.
It's not something particular to the Jays as I think the MLSE teams are worse for it but it does strike me as particularly damaging to Baseball, a sport that's struggling to bring in young fans, to make streaming their product much more expensive than comparable entertainment options. For the cost of being able to legally stream all MLB games I could get all of Netflix, Spotify, Disney+, AppleTV and XBox Games Pass for roughly the same price.
Ya Nik, I don't see any upside in the decision at all. We need to have young viewers and most are affixed to streaming devices.
Sportsnet NOW is a streaming service, its just bad.
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MLB TV is a phenomenal service. As far as individual sports streaming it is the model any sport (NHL, English premier league football etc) should look to as a template. Luckily over here we aren’t subject to blackouts so if I go for it this year I should still see every game I want to.
But the UK cousin of baseball, cricket, went behind pay TV wall in 2005 and theyve now invented an entirely new version of the game to show it on free to air TV cos the participation (and even awareness in terms of recognition of “star” players etc) numbers have tanked across the whole country. I’d fear something like this could be an unintended result of this short sighted, commercial money grabbing decision.
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Another problem with this is MLB.tv is a great service and Sportsnet NOW sucks.
I'm sure that the commonality is that they're Canadian and thus smaller enterprises but all of the Canadian streaming services, TSN and Sportsnet and Crave, all seem to be generally terrible.
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It was probably inevitable but the Jays have decided to black out their games on MLB.tv throughout Canada and have them exclusively on Sportsnet.
It's not something particular to the Jays as I think the MLSE teams are worse for it but it does strike me as particularly damaging to Baseball, a sport that's struggling to bring in young fans, to make streaming their product much more expensive than comparable entertainment options. For the cost of being able to legally stream all MLB games I could get all of Netflix, Spotify, Disney+, AppleTV and XBox Games Pass for roughly the same price.
I cancelled my subscription to MLB.tv this year. The Facebook games did it in for me. I stream the games in my office and I can’t use Facebook there so losing access to games really just kind of ended up being the last straw for me. Glad I did it because I have zero interest in using a product that doesn’t let me watch my team.
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Another problem with this is MLB.tv is a great service and Sportsnet NOW sucks.
I'm sure that the commonality is that they're Canadian and thus smaller enterprises but all of the Canadian streaming services, TSN and Sportsnet and Crave, all seem to be generally terrible.
You can't even rewind with TSN.
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Another ranking of the Jays' prospects. Fun to see that behind Jansen and McGuire the Jays have a couple of well regarded young catchers in the system who are expected to be in the bigs in the next few years.
https://www.mlb.com/prospects/2020/bluejays (https://www.mlb.com/prospects/2020/bluejays)
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Another ranking of the Jays' prospects. Fun to see that behind Jansen and McGuire the Jays have a couple of well regarded young catchers in the system who are expected to be in the bigs in the next few years.
https://www.mlb.com/prospects/2020/bluejays (https://www.mlb.com/prospects/2020/bluejays)
Not only that but the return on Stroman (2 top ten prospects) combined with the signing of Ryu is looking pretty nice right now...
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When you consider we got Giles for Osuna, I think we got a win on that trade, Giles is a beast. And the Strobro deal, we got a great return. Sanchez is looking like he was a shooting star and can't seem to find his way back so the return for him, although grim when the trade happened seems to have panned out at par.
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Another problem with this is MLB.tv is a great service and Sportsnet NOW sucks.
I'm sure that the commonality is that they're Canadian and thus smaller enterprises but all of the Canadian streaming services, TSN and Sportsnet and Crave, all seem to be generally terrible.
I actually like Crave's selection when you package in the HBO portion. The app's though require some serious work.
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I actually like Crave's selection when you package in the HBO portion. The app's though require some serious work.
I was mainly just referring to the apps there. I agree that if you get the version of Crave with the movies and new shows it's a good selection of content but I'm not sure it's good enough to justify being significantly more expensive than Netflix.
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I actually like Crave's selection when you package in the HBO portion. The app's though require some serious work.
I was mainly just referring to the apps there. I agree that if you get the version of Crave with the movies and new shows it's a good selection of content but I'm not sure it's good enough to justify being significantly more expensive than Netflix.
Perhaps. I actually made room for Disney+ by cutting Netflix. Regretting it now. I felt like I wasn't watching Netflix. Then the shows I watched released new seasons.
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I remember those SARS days (*shivers*)...
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Bautista pitching?? Duh?
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Bautista pitching?? Duh?
Bring him home and sign him up.