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Re: Johnsson traded to the Devils
« Reply #60 on: October 11, 2020, 08:53:00 AM »
Anderson awaits a new contract. He?s a 10.2(c) RFA: basically no negotiating leverage. Leafs could tender him a 725k AAV over two years one-way and he?d jump on that. AHL avoids escrow.

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Re: Johnsson traded to the Devils
« Reply #61 on: October 11, 2020, 11:45:49 AM »
Yes I did not reading anything overwhelming.

Carlton posted this from someone who worked in the Devils front office:



Physical, wins battles, skates well, makes good decisions with the puck.

Sounds like a player that would like, considering what you post in the GDTs

Should have traded AJ before he was hurt.

When exactly would have been the right time to trade him?

As nik said, he was coming off a 20 goal rookie season, got injured February of the next season and then the pandemic hit. I don't see when they should have traded him

Point I'm trying to make is I think they could have done better not only with AJ but also all the free agents we have let go for nothing. Yes Nik hard to trade guys when you're trying to win a cup but the Leafs the last 3 tears have not had a team to win 4 playoff rounds so I would have traded guys like JVR, Bozak etc etc to recoup some draft choices and maybe just maybe those picks may have allowed you to draft somebody that could help you today. Young player on n ELC that could fill a void. Dubas is in a bind (his own doing) and teams aren't going to pay to pickup any of our guys that may be traded. Again all boils down to the signing of the big 3 that put us in this predicament.

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Re: Johnsson traded to the Devils
« Reply #62 on: October 11, 2020, 11:52:21 AM »
Jesus... still with the JVR and Bozak? Move on man.

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Re: Johnsson traded to the Devils
« Reply #63 on: October 11, 2020, 12:04:42 PM »

Even if you thought the Leafs weren't good enough for a playoff run it still didn't make sense to trade Johnsson. It made much more sense to go into this summer with him coming off a strong season and, if necessary, trading him then. The problem was he got hurt, which nobody could have foreseen, and the cap stagnated which, again, nobody could have foreseen.

That really has nothing to do with decisions Lamoriello made about JVR or Bozak or even Dubas' decision to put the team in cap constraints via signing Tavares.
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Re: Johnsson traded to the Devils
« Reply #64 on: October 11, 2020, 12:27:07 PM »
Jesus... still with the JVR and Bozak? Move on man.
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Re: Johnsson traded to the Devils
« Reply #65 on: October 11, 2020, 12:34:43 PM »
Jesus... still with the JVR and Bozak? Move on man.

We can play the game that way far further back too.   It?s a tiny variation on 1967 as if Marner/Nylander/Matthews/Dubas are responsible for the cup drought.

Not trading them was a mistake.   Having Horachek be an ass to Kesse for the last 20 games of the year was a mistake.   Trading for a Kessel in the first place was a mistake.   Drafting Tyler Biggs and Brad Ross was a mistake.   Signing Jeff Finger was a mistake.   Getting rid of Anton Stralman was a mistake.  And on and on and on.

The value is not a great return on Johnsson but he came off one big injury and then had a second big injury.   He just wasn?t going to have significant value at that point.

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Re: Johnsson traded to the Devils
« Reply #66 on: October 11, 2020, 12:48:46 PM »

Point I'm trying to make is I think they could have done better not only with AJ

But you have you haven't made that point, you just keep saying it.

When should they have made this hypothetical deal where they could have done better?

There was no reason to trade him coming off his rookie season, then he got hurt, then the pandemic caused the flat cap and faciliated the need for the trade.

No matter what Marner makes. 3.4M for AJ in this flat cap situation isn't a great use of cap dollars on this roster. Dubas got a someone that fits everything you seem to like in a player in a market where moving salary has been difficult. A player that would that would be drafted with a mid round pick that you seem to want for AJ, but already with a couple years of developent and a chance to contribute elements that this team has been lacking this up coming season.



Yes, Lou probably should have traded JVR and Bozak and not burned 2nd rounders on 4th line rentals, but that's what he did. It really isn't relevant to this trade though.

With all due respect, you don't seem interested in a discussion. You don't adress any counterpoints presented to you, and just repeat the same stuff in any reply.

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Re: Johnsson traded to the Devils
« Reply #67 on: October 11, 2020, 12:48:56 PM »
Johnsson for Anderson + Cap Space should not be that difficult to comprehend.
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Re: Johnsson traded to the Devils
« Reply #68 on: October 11, 2020, 01:15:23 PM »

Point I'm trying to make is I think they could have done better not only with AJ

But you have you haven't made that point, you just keep saying it.

When should they have made this hypothetical deal where they could have done better?

There was no reason to trade him coming off his rookie season, then he got hurt, then the pandemic caused the flat cap and faciliated the need for the trade.

No matter what Marner makes. 3.4M for AJ in this flat cap situation isn't a great use of cap dollars on this roster. Dubas got a someone that fits everything you seem to like in a player in a market where moving salary has been difficult. A player that would that would be drafted with a mid round pick that you seem to want for AJ, but already with a couple years of developent and a chance to contribute elements that this team has been lacking this up coming season.



Yes, Lou probably should have traded JVR and Bozak and not burned 2nd rounders on 4th line rentals, but that's what he did. It really isn't relevant to this trade though.

With all due respect, you don't seem interested in a discussion. You don't adress any counterpoints presented to you, and just repeat the same stuff in any reply.
All teams go through this, just read the Athletic article about the Blackhawks today, their fans are complaining about the very same thing, not getting picks for the departed.  It happens, move on. 
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Re: Johnsson traded to the Devils
« Reply #69 on: October 11, 2020, 01:52:36 PM »
Every team in the league who paid their players fair value got screwed. Every team who didn't trade players who ended up having not great seasons got screwed. The Leafs don't operate in a vacuum. Most cap teams are dealing with some level of fallout for things that couldn't have been predicted when those deals were signed.

Also, I'm fairly certain Azzurri would be bitching about trading JVR/Bozak as they were making the playoffs if they missed or got bounced. "Missed opportunity, could've given playoff experience to the kids, wasted a year for no reason when they were on the cusp etc." Doesn't matter when everything is viewed when looking back at it rather than in the moment, the person in charge can only do wrong. Anyone who thinks they're right 100% of the time or act like they have all the answers vs. someone else without any justification is basically full of you know what.
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« Reply #70 on: October 11, 2020, 02:03:19 PM »
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Re: Johnsson traded to the Devils
« Reply #71 on: October 11, 2020, 02:29:14 PM »
It'll be very interesting to see how he develops. He's got a decent amt of points at the AHL level and only just turned 22 in June. Leafs would probably rather have him than picks at this point as he looks like he could be ready sooner than a pick would be.
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Re: Johnsson traded to the Devils
« Reply #72 on: October 11, 2020, 03:06:33 PM »
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Re: Johnsson traded to the Devils
« Reply #73 on: October 11, 2020, 03:37:11 PM »
You know I like Thai trade even more now that Steve Simmons is trying to shit on it.   I get the media doesn?t have to love every move but the guy is a blatant troll at this point.   Take his press pass away.

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Re: Johnsson traded to the Devils
« Reply #74 on: October 11, 2020, 04:06:04 PM »
You know I like Thai trade even more now that Steve Simmons is trying to shit on it.   I get the media doesn?t have to love every move but the guy is a blatant troll at this point.   Take his press pass away.

I'm not really knowledgeable on Thai trade.  How does Simmons even have an opinion.