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Title: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 13, 2020, 04:10:12 PM
Kicking off the thread for next season with a pretty big injury update:

https://twitter.com/NHLBruins/status/1316106515519021061

Marchand is out until mid-January, Pasta out until mid-February.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on October 13, 2020, 05:03:48 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on October 13, 2020, 04:10:12 PM
Kicking off the thread for next season with a pretty big injury update:

https://twitter.com/NHLBruins/status/1316106515519021061

Marchand is out until mid-January, Pasta out until mid-February.
That's a shame
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on October 13, 2020, 05:37:46 PM
Season is due to start 1st January, right? Full 82 game schedule?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Hobbes on October 13, 2020, 05:39:21 PM
Quote from: Arn on October 13, 2020, 05:37:46 PM
Season is due to start 1st January, right? Full 82 game schedule?
The way the infection/transmission rates are trending at the moment I wouldn't cling to that as being even remotely a firm date.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 13, 2020, 05:39:43 PM
Quote from: Arn on October 13, 2020, 05:37:46 PM
Season is due to start 1st January, right? Full 82 game schedule?

I wouldn't say either of those are set in stone but yes that's the NHL's current position.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on October 13, 2020, 07:40:03 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on October 13, 2020, 05:39:43 PM
Quote from: Arn on October 13, 2020, 05:37:46 PM
Season is due to start 1st January, right? Full 82 game schedule?

I wouldn't say either of those are set in stone but yes that's the NHL's current position.
I think I overheard on one of the pods, that they were thinking it'll be a 60 game condensed schedule.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Hobbes on October 14, 2020, 01:18:12 PM
Habs extend Jake Allen for another 2 years at $2.875 M...added to Price's $10.5M that's nearly $15M for next season and more than $13M for the following to just for their goaltending. That seems like...um..a LOT  :o
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 14, 2020, 01:22:29 PM
Quote from: Hobbes on October 14, 2020, 01:18:12 PM
Habs extend Jake Allen for another 2 years at $2.875 M...added to Price's $10.5M that's nearly $15M for next season and more than $13M for the following to just for their goaltending. That seems like...um..a LOT  :o
Price is too much by himself, so Allen at 2.8 isn't bad lol.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on October 14, 2020, 01:24:05 PM
Quote from: Hobbes on October 14, 2020, 01:18:12 PM
Habs extend Jake Allen for another 2 years at $2.875 M...added to Price's $10.5M that's nearly $15M for next season and more than $13M for the following to just for their goaltending. That seems like...um..a LOT  :o

Especially considering, before this past season, Allen had been . . . well, bad for a number of years. Most of his career, he's been a below average goalie. Was that because he couldn't handle the workload as a starter? Sure, maybe, but I'd want to see that before I signed up for more years with him on the roster.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: . on October 14, 2020, 01:33:23 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on October 14, 2020, 01:22:29 PM
Quote from: Hobbes on October 14, 2020, 01:18:12 PM
Habs extend Jake Allen for another 2 years at $2.875 M...added to Price's $10.5M that's nearly $15M for next season and more than $13M for the following to just for their goaltending. That seems like...um..a LOT  :o
Price is too much by himself, so Allen at 2.8 isn't bad lol.

Yeah, it's an interesting approach. I don't think ideally you pay that much for a backup unless it's a platoon situation or you're at least giving the guy 30% of the games; and if that's the case, you're paying Price way too much.

I'm guessing Bergevin is concerned about Price staying healthy, and wants to have a guy that conceivably keep the team in it over potentially long stretches - whether Allen's career is trending towards Schnieder or Halak, we'll have to see.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on October 14, 2020, 01:36:06 PM
Quote from: Frycer14 on October 14, 2020, 01:33:23 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on October 14, 2020, 01:22:29 PM
Quote from: Hobbes on October 14, 2020, 01:18:12 PM
Habs extend Jake Allen for another 2 years at $2.875 M...added to Price's $10.5M that's nearly $15M for next season and more than $13M for the following to just for their goaltending. That seems like...um..a LOT  :o
Price is too much by himself, so Allen at 2.8 isn't bad lol.

Yeah, it's an interesting approach. I don't think ideally you pay that much for a backup unless it's a platoon situation or you're at least giving the guy 30% of the games; and if that's the case, you're paying Price way too much.

I'm guessing Bergevin is concerned about Price staying healthy, and wants to have a guy that conceivably keep the team in it over potentially long stretches - whether Allen's career is trending towards Schnieder or Halak, we'll have to see.

Compressed season and all, maybe you're right in that he's insurance for Price's inevitable injuries.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 14, 2020, 02:13:19 PM
Which GM, in his current tenure, has signed AND bought out the most players?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on October 14, 2020, 03:00:28 PM
Quote from: herman on October 14, 2020, 02:13:19 PM
Which GM, in his current tenure, has signed AND bought out the most players?

Poile?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on October 14, 2020, 03:24:36 PM
There are a lot of good hockey players still unsigned:

https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 14, 2020, 03:40:49 PM
Quote from: Frank E on October 14, 2020, 03:00:28 PM
Quote from: herman on October 14, 2020, 02:13:19 PM
Which GM, in his current tenure, has signed AND bought out the most players?

Poile?

Great selection, just by statistical likelihood. Poile has been with the team since its inception, 1997. Capfriendly shows they have bought out 9 players in totality (hi Dicky!).

That's probably the highest raw total for any one tenure, but a pretty low rate, considering how many signings he has done (296). Lou Lamoriello comes close during his Devils tenure.

The really fun one is Brad Treliving who has signed 141 contracts and 6 buyouts already. Chris Tanev and Jacob Markstrom might not be far behind if he still has a job.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 14, 2020, 04:47:27 PM
https://twitter.com/SinBinVegas/status/1316475760580857856

This isn't a big surprise, but in response to a question about Vegas having to play against Nate Schmidt this season Vegas' owner seems to let slip that there are discussions about having a Canadian division.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on October 14, 2020, 05:00:12 PM
If there is a Canada division with no border crosssing, it can't be an 82 game season... can it?

That's average of like 13 games per opponent
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on October 14, 2020, 05:25:20 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on October 13, 2020, 05:39:43 PM
Quote from: Arn on October 13, 2020, 05:37:46 PM
Season is due to start 1st January, right? Full 82 game schedule?

I wouldn't say either of those are set in stone but yes that's the NHL's current position.

Realistically speaking I don?t think anything is going to be much different pandemic wise come January. That being said, how is the nhl going to handle cross border games? The Canadian government already set the precedent with the jays. So I don?t see a viable solution to a full non bubble season.

Edit: I didn?t see that tweet you posted before I wrote this.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 14, 2020, 05:38:05 PM
Quote from: Deebo on October 14, 2020, 05:00:12 PM
If there is a Canada division with no border crosssing, it can't be an 82 game season... can it?

That's average of like 13 games per opponent

This might be optimistic (or even very optimistic) but I would guess that the hope is maybe half way through the season or something either the government will allow the border to open for more people or maybe just the Canadian teams will be allowed to cross the border and come back after playing in the U.S. for like a month or something. That'll obviously be very difficult to plan for though since there will be no guarantee at the start of the season it'll be allowed.

In any event, an 82 game season definitely feels unlikely.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on October 14, 2020, 08:00:00 PM
I've heard anywhere between 48 & 60 game seasons.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: . on October 14, 2020, 08:07:33 PM
Quote from: Bender on October 14, 2020, 08:00:00 PM
I've heard anywhere between 48 & 60 game seasons.

Yeah, I've heard the same speculation.  48 to me makes the most sense. And it could very well be another hub scenario for the playoffs, unless there's vaccines made available to the players by April/May.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 14, 2020, 08:26:31 PM
Quote from: Frycer14 on October 14, 2020, 08:07:33 PM
Quote from: Bender on October 14, 2020, 08:00:00 PM
I've heard anywhere between 48 & 60 game seasons.

Yeah, I've heard the same speculation.  48 to me makes the most sense. And it could very well be another hub scenario for the playoffs, unless there's vaccines made available to the players by April/May.
The fastest vaccine ever made was for the mumps and that took 4 years. People better get used to living with this for a while yet.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on October 14, 2020, 08:30:57 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on October 14, 2020, 08:26:31 PMThe fastest vaccine ever made was for the mumps and that took 4 years. People better get used to living with this for a while yet.

There's a better thread for this talk but there's also never been resources poured into vaccine development like this. Lots of pretty respected people in the field have talked about guarded optimism for at least the development of a vaccine within the next year.

Anyways, something I think people need to consider is that if my understanding is correct the MOU the NHLPA signed guaranteed the players get a certain percentage of their next year's salary regardless of what happened to revenues so I'd expect the NHL to drop every last possible game they can out of things.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on October 14, 2020, 10:54:46 PM
Quote from: Frycer14 on October 14, 2020, 08:07:33 PM
Quote from: Bender on October 14, 2020, 08:00:00 PM
I've heard anywhere between 48 & 60 game seasons.

Yeah, I've heard the same speculation.  48 to me makes the most sense. And it could very well be another hub scenario for the playoffs, unless there's vaccines made available to the players by April/May.

Even if a vaccine is ready by then, uber-healthy athletes in their 20s and 30s are probably pretty low on the distribution list.

Then again, capitalism...
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 14, 2020, 10:57:23 PM
https://twitter.com/maryprusak/status/1316547744534851589
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on October 15, 2020, 10:21:51 AM
Quote from: herman on October 14, 2020, 10:57:23 PM
https://twitter.com/maryprusak/status/1316547744534851589

I'd like to commend the zamboni driver for trying to get the unit off the ice while he was on fire. Have to make sure the ice doesn't melt.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 15, 2020, 10:23:31 AM
When I started seeing red on the ice after the zamboni I assumed something much, much worse was happening.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on October 15, 2020, 10:33:04 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on October 15, 2020, 10:23:31 AM
When I started seeing red on the ice after the zamboni I assumed something much, much worse was happening.

That was like Luke Skywalker leaving a trail of red
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 15, 2020, 11:05:46 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on October 15, 2020, 10:21:51 AM
I'd like to commend the zamboni driver for trying to get the unit off the ice while he was on fire. Have to make sure the ice doesn't melt.

Seriously. Isn't the fuel tank like next to or under his seat?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on October 15, 2020, 11:44:02 AM
Quote from: herman on October 15, 2020, 11:05:46 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on October 15, 2020, 10:21:51 AM
I'd like to commend the zamboni driver for trying to get the unit off the ice while he was on fire. Have to make sure the ice doesn't melt.

Seriously. Isn't the fuel tank like next to or under his seat?

It's just propane. No big deal.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 15, 2020, 12:02:10 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on October 15, 2020, 11:44:02 AM
Quote from: herman on October 15, 2020, 11:05:46 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on October 15, 2020, 10:21:51 AM
I'd like to commend the zamboni driver for trying to get the unit off the ice while he was on fire. Have to make sure the ice doesn't melt.

Seriously. Isn't the fuel tank like next to or under his seat?

It's just propane. No big deal.

(https://i.gifer.com/7Ve4.gif)
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Highlander on October 15, 2020, 12:05:12 PM
the propane tank is right beside the driver, why parents, instructors didn't have kids moving away from the Zamboni immediately after it caught fire is beside me.  If the tank blew everyone could have been killed. 
Was Ares driving the unit?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 15, 2020, 12:23:56 PM
I highly doubt the god of war himself would deign to operate a resurfacer let alone one in Rochester of all places.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on October 15, 2020, 01:25:58 PM
How would the Leafs fare in a all-Canadian season?

I'm thinking they'd do pretty damn well.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: . on October 15, 2020, 01:45:43 PM
Quote from: Frank E on October 15, 2020, 01:25:58 PM
How would the Leafs fare in a all-Canadian season?

I'm thinking they'd do pretty damn well.

Lessee... based on ly, they were:
GP-W-L-OTL
Jets
2-1-0-1
Canucks
2-2-0-0
Sens
3-3-0-0
Habs
3-0-1-2
Flames
2-0-1-1
Oilers
2-1-1-0

total
14-7-3-4
only 3 regulation losses so not bad
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on October 15, 2020, 02:29:53 PM
Quote from: Frycer14 on October 15, 2020, 01:45:43 PM
Quote from: Frank E on October 15, 2020, 01:25:58 PM
How would the Leafs fare in a all-Canadian season?

I'm thinking they'd do pretty damn well.

Lessee... based on ly, they were:
GP-W-L-OTL
Jets
2-1-0-1
Canucks
2-2-0-0
Sens
3-3-0-0
Habs
3-0-1-2
Flames
2-0-1-1
Oilers
2-1-1-0

total
14-7-3-4
only 3 regulation losses so not bad

They only went .500 against the sens last year?

Eeesch.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 15, 2020, 02:39:51 PM
Quote from: Frank E on October 15, 2020, 02:29:53 PM
Quote from: Frycer14 on October 15, 2020, 01:45:43 PM
Lessee... based on ly, they were:
GP-W-L-OTL

Sens
3-3-0-0

They only went .500 against the sens last year?

Eeesch.

You're reading that wrong (it's a little oddly formatted), it says 3 GP and 3 wins.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on October 15, 2020, 02:45:04 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on October 15, 2020, 02:39:51 PM
Quote from: Frank E on October 15, 2020, 02:29:53 PM
Quote from: Frycer14 on October 15, 2020, 01:45:43 PM
Lessee... based on ly, they were:
GP-W-L-OTL

Sens
3-3-0-0

They only went .500 against the sens last year?

Eeesch.

You're reading that wrong (it's a little oddly formatted), it says 3 GP and 3 wins.

Oh.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on October 20, 2020, 11:03:32 AM

Not sure if we need a general rumours thread but some of the Laine trade talk interests me. I'm not sold that it's happening, I think they'll take a look to see if he can jumpstart things with Stastny but if it does I really wonder if it'll be the steepest decline of any player in the league in my lifetime that wasn't about an injury.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 20, 2020, 11:20:15 AM
Quote from: Nik on October 20, 2020, 11:03:32 AM

Not sure if we need a general rumours thread but some of the Laine trade talk interests me. I'm not sold that it's happening, I think they'll take a look to see if he can jumpstart things with Stastny but if it does I really wonder if it'll be the steepest decline of any player in the league in my lifetime that wasn't about an injury.

Is it player decline or more of a team-fit and self-efficacy issue?

The top half of the 2016 draft is a mess
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 20, 2020, 11:23:00 AM
Quote from: Nik on October 20, 2020, 11:03:32 AM

Not sure if we need a general rumours thread but some of the Laine trade talk interests me. I'm not sold that it's happening, I think they'll take a look to see if he can jumpstart things with Stastny but if it does I really wonder if it'll be the steepest decline of any player in the league in my lifetime that wasn't about an injury.
What decline though? He arguably had his best offensive season last year. Almost a point a game player. He lead the team in P/60, 4th in ESP/60, 4th in total points. In 18/19 he was 6th in P/60 and 16th in ESP/60, 4th in total points. Seems like he became a much better 5 v 5 player. He was a -24 in 18/19 and a +8 last season.
From what I've read, he's upset because he isn't playing on the top line with Scheifele and he's kind of proving he belongs there. He's 22 years old. If he was signed for the same term as Nylander, I'd def be tempted to do a one for one trade for him.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on October 20, 2020, 11:23:15 AM
Quote from: Nik on October 20, 2020, 11:03:32 AM

Not sure if we need a general rumours thread but some of the Laine trade talk interests me. I'm not sold that it's happening, I think they'll take a look to see if he can jumpstart things with Stastny but if it does I really wonder if it'll be the steepest decline of any player in the league in my lifetime that wasn't about an injury.

Yakupov? Went from a 30 goal pace in his rookie season to being out of the league a few seasons later.

Laine still put up pretty good numbers this past season and mostly avoid disappearing for extended periods. He hasn't been the truly elite goal scorer he looked like he was going to be, but he's still a pretty safe bet for 30+ goals a season. He's declined, but it's not as steep as the media narratives want us to believe.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on October 20, 2020, 11:23:35 AM
Quote from: herman on October 20, 2020, 11:20:15 AM
Quote from: Nik on October 20, 2020, 11:03:32 AM

Not sure if we need a general rumours thread but some of the Laine trade talk interests me. I'm not sold that it's happening, I think they'll take a look to see if he can jumpstart things with Stastny but if it does I really wonder if it'll be the steepest decline of any player in the league in my lifetime that wasn't about an injury.

Is it player decline or more of a team-fit and self-efficacy issue?

The top half of the 2016 draft is a mess

I was thinking it more in the sense of just the deterioration of a player's status for whatever reason. I can't think of anyone who looked like the next Ovechkin for a little while and and then got dealt because of "team fit".
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 20, 2020, 11:26:30 AM
Quote from: Nik on October 20, 2020, 11:23:35 AM
Quote from: herman on October 20, 2020, 11:20:15 AM
Quote from: Nik on October 20, 2020, 11:03:32 AM

Not sure if we need a general rumours thread but some of the Laine trade talk interests me. I'm not sold that it's happening, I think they'll take a look to see if he can jumpstart things with Stastny but if it does I really wonder if it'll be the steepest decline of any player in the league in my lifetime that wasn't about an injury.

Is it player decline or more of a team-fit and self-efficacy issue?

The top half of the 2016 draft is a mess

I was thinking it more in the sense of just the deterioration of a player's status for whatever reason. I can't think of anyone who looked like the next Ovechkin for a little while and and then got dealt because of "team fit".
Definitely agree with that assessment. It's a weird situation going on in the Peg.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 20, 2020, 11:34:01 AM
From my understanding Laine/his agents were the ones who started pushing for a trade, so Winnipeg's in a tough spot here. I don't think they want to trade him but they also want to avoid another Trouba situation where the player just keeps taking 1 or 2 year deals until he's in a position to bolt.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on October 20, 2020, 11:43:51 AM
Is there something specific with Laine's shot that he went from a 17.6/18.3 Shooting percentage in his first two years and then down to a 12.2/12.4 the last two years.  Are teams defending him differently and his lack of diversity on offense holding him back from being a consistent 40+ goal scorer?  Or was his shooting his first two years just unsustainable for him.  There are only 7 players over the last 4 years (combined and at least 100 games played) who have averaged a shooting percentage of 17.6% or better (Oshie, Barbashev, Scheifele, Byron, Draisaitl, Pettersson and Connolly).  Oshie, Scheifele and Draisaitl are the only three who have put up at least 100 goals at that shooting percentage.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 20, 2020, 12:20:26 PM
Quote from: Nik on October 20, 2020, 11:23:35 AM
I was thinking it more in the sense of just the deterioration of a player's status for whatever reason. I can't think of anyone who looked like the next Ovechkin for a little while and and then got dealt because of "team fit".

He certainly is a curious case. Somewhat similar to Phil Kessel?

Quote from: L K on October 20, 2020, 11:43:51 AM
Is there something specific with Laine's shot that he went from a 17.6/18.3 Shooting percentage in his first two years and then down to a 12.2/12.4 the last two years.  Are teams defending him differently and his lack of diversity on offense holding him back from being a consistent 40+ goal scorer?  Or was his shooting his first two years just unsustainable for him.

This definitely seems to be the crux of the matter. 17-18% is unsustainable for a distance shooter, especially 5v5.

People tend to narrativize and apply causality to the sequence of events. 12+% is still pretty exceptional, especially for a youngish player on the front end of his peak development curve. Laine is one of the few players that can generate a goal out of nearly nothing, or an iffy pass.

There's a confluence of things happening here that I can see:
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on October 20, 2020, 12:50:21 PM
Quote from: herman on October 20, 2020, 12:20:26 PM
He certainly is a curious case. Somewhat similar to Phil Kessel?

The best comp I could think of was Subban. From local icon to gonzo seemingly overnight.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 20, 2020, 01:25:12 PM
Quote from: Nik on October 20, 2020, 12:50:21 PM
Quote from: herman on October 20, 2020, 12:20:26 PM
He certainly is a curious case. Somewhat similar to Phil Kessel?

The best comp I could think of was Subban. From local icon to gonzo seemingly overnight.
Good call. That was weird also.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 28, 2020, 11:21:50 AM
TRON jersy szn
https://twitter.com/DallasStars/status/1321469550509150209
Pretty cool when San Jose and Tampa did it; Ufa Salavat Yulaev's looks pretty dope too.
(https://cms.nhl.bamgrid.com/images/photos/319216036/1024x576/cut.jpg) (Rodion Amirov)
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 28, 2020, 11:29:45 AM
Wasn't sure how I felt the pics in the tweet but I like the Ufa jersey so maybe it'll look better on the ice.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 28, 2020, 12:13:00 PM
If the Leafs did one in electric blue...
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 28, 2020, 01:51:08 PM
https://twitter.com/JeffMarek/status/1321507884203724800
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 28, 2020, 01:56:44 PM
A week and a half training camp after most of these players have been off since March? Seems weird.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on October 28, 2020, 02:30:25 PM
Quote from: herman on October 28, 2020, 01:51:08 PM
https://twitter.com/JeffMarek/status/1321507884203724800
Holy crap, 8 playoff teams *in total*! Gonna be a crazy hard ride to the playoffs, then straight into the Conference semi-finals.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on October 28, 2020, 03:27:28 PM
I wonder how it works for the Michigan based teams.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 28, 2020, 03:36:18 PM
AHL is looking at a similar start date:

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1321533485169938433
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 28, 2020, 03:39:15 PM
Quote from: Frank E on October 28, 2020, 03:27:28 PM
I wonder how it works for the Michigan based teams.

Either play each other ad nauseam or relocate to Ontario the way the Jays moved to Pittsburgh/Buffalo/whatever
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on October 28, 2020, 04:24:58 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on October 28, 2020, 01:56:44 PM
A week and a half training camp after most of these players have been off since March? Seems weird.

Most players have been on the ice skating since July in Canada. Many places in the states and Europe never shut down the rinks.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 29, 2020, 09:42:50 AM
https://twitter.com/ineffectivemath/status/1321790709112971264
Hence Lundqvist?s epic numbers
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: . on October 29, 2020, 12:44:15 PM
Is there still going to be a canadian only conference for the 40gm season?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on October 29, 2020, 02:30:40 PM

Not sure how legitimate this is but it looks like an Arizona radio station is reporting that the Coyotes are renouncing their pick of Miller:

https://arizonasports.com/story/2437896/coyotes-renouncing-rights-of-2020-4th-round-draft-pick-mitchell-miller/ (https://arizonasports.com/story/2437896/coyotes-renouncing-rights-of-2020-4th-round-draft-pick-mitchell-miller/)

I really hope there's a lesson in all this. It's not, as dopes on twitter are trying to paint it, that you can't make "mistakes" or that someone got "canceled" but rather that serious actions have serious consequences and that second chances at positions of immense reward need to be earned. Miller probably spent the last few years going to all sorts of travel hockey games and early morning practices but someone really needed to impress on him that if he wanted to make it in an industry that relies on public relations, he was going to need to have some serious proof that he'd become a different person.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 29, 2020, 02:33:02 PM
Friedman echoes this report.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 29, 2020, 02:35:54 PM
Their full statement:

https://twitter.com/ian_mendes/status/1321882919212822536
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 29, 2020, 02:43:45 PM
I wonder if the org would've done anything if the story didn't blow up the way it did, because it kind of reads like either:
a) we did not do sufficient background checks into a player that has a published issue
b) we made this decision knowing the full story, but now that y'all found out about it and made a fuss, we gotta smooth it out
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 29, 2020, 02:56:13 PM
Quote from: herman on October 29, 2020, 02:43:45 PM
I wonder if the org would've done anything if the story didn't blow up the way it did

This is like wondering if the sun is gonna rise tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 29, 2020, 03:02:09 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on October 29, 2020, 02:56:13 PM
Quote from: herman on October 29, 2020, 02:43:45 PM
I wonder if the org would've done anything if the story didn't blow up the way it did

This is like wondering if the sun is gonna rise tomorrow.

2020 tho
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 29, 2020, 03:39:39 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on October 28, 2020, 03:36:18 PM
AHL is looking at a similar start date:

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1321533485169938433

https://twitter.com/tsn1200/status/1321891170797191168

One of the ideas being discussed is the AHL teams basically following their parent clubs around and facing the other AHL team that same day/night. Western conference AHL clubs are the ones that need temporary relocation if that plan goes ahead.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on October 29, 2020, 07:09:20 PM
Quote from: Nik on October 29, 2020, 02:30:40 PM

Not sure how legitimate this is but it looks like an Arizona radio station is reporting that the Coyotes are renouncing their pick of Miller:

https://arizonasports.com/story/2437896/coyotes-renouncing-rights-of-2020-4th-round-draft-pick-mitchell-miller/ (https://arizonasports.com/story/2437896/coyotes-renouncing-rights-of-2020-4th-round-draft-pick-mitchell-miller/)

I really hope there's a lesson in all this. It's not, as dopes on twitter are trying to paint it, that you can't make "mistakes" or that someone got "canceled" but rather that serious actions have serious consequences and that second chances at positions of immense reward need to be earned. Miller probably spent the last few years going to all sorts of travel hockey games and early morning practices but someone really needed to impress on him that if he wanted to make it in an industry that relies on public relations, he was going to need to have some serious proof that he'd become a different person.

Exactly. If this kid would have actually made a real attempt to make amends for his actions, I'd be all for the second chance. Heck I may even route for the kid if he had learned from his actions and tried to make a difference out there by fighting against his past failings by helping other people.

It sounds like he did none of that until teams started backing away from him. I'm sorry. That's not enough.
I'd also like to give his parents a smack too for not ensuring their 12, 13, 14 year old wasn't properly disciplined at that time. They have also failed.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 29, 2020, 08:08:48 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on October 29, 2020, 07:09:20 PM

I'd also like to give his parents a smack too for not ensuring their 12, 13, 14 year old wasn't properly disciplined at that time. They have also failed.
Hatred is a learned behaviour. His parents taught him well.
Quote from: herman on October 29, 2020, 02:43:45 PM
I wonder if the org would've done anything if the story didn't blow up the way it did, because it kind of reads like either:
a) we did not do sufficient background checks into a player that has a published issue
b) we made this decision knowing the full story, but now that y'all found out about it and made a fuss, we gotta smooth it out
I don't care how they came to the decision, just that they made the right call. I heard today that even after the court and all that, he continued to bully this kid according to his mom. Add in the fact he never formally apologized, it became an easy decision. Well done Yotes.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Andy on October 30, 2020, 06:43:31 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on October 29, 2020, 08:08:48 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on October 29, 2020, 07:09:20 PM

I'd also like to give his parents a smack too for not ensuring their 12, 13, 14 year old wasn't properly disciplined at that time. They have also failed.
Hatred is a learned behaviour. His parents taught him well.
Quote from: herman on October 29, 2020, 02:43:45 PM
I wonder if the org would've done anything if the story didn't blow up the way it did, because it kind of reads like either:
a) we did not do sufficient background checks into a player that has a published issue
b) we made this decision knowing the full story, but now that y'all found out about it and made a fuss, we gotta smooth it out
I don't care how they came to the decision, just that they made the right call. I heard today that even after the court and all that, he continued to bully this kid according to his mom. Add in the fact he never formally apologized, it became an easy decision. Well done Yotes.

The victim's parents also said there is video of Miller smashing their son's head against a brick wall and that Miller pled guilty to assault in an effort for that video not to be released. I can't imagine that this kid feels any iota of regret, except when pertaining to his NHL prospects. And with Arizona continuing to praise and defend Miller even after the story came out I don't give them any measure of credit for their decision.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: WAYNEINIONA on October 30, 2020, 08:46:31 AM

I'm all for giving kids a second chance in most cases, but this kid has a serious problem and no one, either him or his family seem to understand that.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on October 30, 2020, 01:02:00 PM
https://twitter.com/UofNorthDakota/status/1322210429028995077
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 30, 2020, 01:13:17 PM
Neither of the two renunciations included anything about changing their procedures and protocols henceforth to prevent further issues like this.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 30, 2020, 01:22:19 PM
I'm a little more surprised that he was cut from there. Not really saying whether he should or shouldn't have been, I just thought the Coyotes mostly did it because of the national public pressure and that's less of an issue for the school.

Then I also wondered, is the NCAA hockey even happening this season? I haven't really heard much about it and it's hard to keep up with all the various NCAA sports.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on October 30, 2020, 01:32:48 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on October 30, 2020, 01:22:19 PM
I'm a little more surprised that he was cut from there. Not really saying whether he should or shouldn't have been, I just thought the Coyotes mostly did it because of the national public pressure and that's less of an issue for the school.

Likewise. Especially with UND where they have a somewhat checkered history with repudiating racially controversial subject matter. Although, that said, it may be that history that had them choosing to be more sensitive to public sentiment about the subject.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 30, 2020, 06:51:49 PM
https://twitter.com/quinnsedgework/status/1322307053340123136
Lmao
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on October 30, 2020, 11:26:25 PM
A teenager sticking up for her brother?

I guess I just don't see the humour.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on October 31, 2020, 01:42:34 AM
Quote from: Bullfrog on October 30, 2020, 11:26:25 PM
A teenager sticking up for her brother?

I guess I just don't see the humour.

I don't think it's particularly funny and I do get the instinct to stick up for a family member and I get that this is a teenager rather than a PR professional but this is a really, really bad way of defending him because what it does, I feel, is actually sort of reinforce the idea that there isn't a lot of remorse or lessons having been learned.

Because basically here are the points made:

1) Her brother's a good guy
2) He made a mistake
3) You can learn from mistakes
4) My brother and family are the last people to be racist.
5) Me and my brother have a lot of black friends
6) Society shouldn't "ruin" things for people
7) This story isn't "one-sided"

So, to take them one by one:

1) I can't judge what sort of person he is deep down but her brother did very, very bad things and admitted to them in court

2) As I said earlier, this wasn't a "mistake" but a pattern of behaviour

3) This is true although there's not a ton of evidence that this happened

4) Her brother did, and admitted to doing, racist things. Sort of automatically that means he's not the last person I'd think who would be racist.

5) I mean...this is a little funny.

6) Society, I think, would argue that Miller ruined this for himself.

7) Woof. I'm sure the developmentally disabled kid did some horrible things to the athlete too.

There's no real contrition here. No apology. No demonstration of remorse. This sounds like a great big warning flag that no lessons were learned and Miller hasn't really grown as a person. So it's not really defending him in the way I think would be productive. Again, I get it that she's a kid trying to defend her brother but I really think this is just digging deeper.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Hobbes on October 31, 2020, 06:40:44 AM
Quote from: Nik on October 31, 2020, 01:42:34 AM
There's no real contrition here. No apology. No demonstration of remorse. This sounds like a great big warning flag that no lessons were learned and Miller hasn't really grown as a person. So it's not really defending him in the way I think would be productive. Again, I get it that she's a kid trying to defend her brother but I really think this is just digging deeper.
I think one could argue that it's even worse than that...she's giving him a permission structure to feel unfairly treated by society which is even less likely to push him down any remedial paths. A chronic abuser cannot turn the corner until having confronted the monster he/she is and accepting responsibility for it. It would appear questionable (at best) that he's done this, so her now giving him an "out" would seem pretty counterproductive.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Rob on October 31, 2020, 09:14:34 AM
I read it as "My brother was on the cusp of becoming a multi millionaire and now you rotten people ruined it for us ummm I mean him"
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 31, 2020, 09:20:43 AM
Something like that makes me feel like the Coyotes and UND likely reached out and spoke to both Miller and members of his family during their post-investigations of this and those interviews played a pretty big role in both of them ending up cutting ties with him.

Like I don't know, if this was a straight arrow kid on the up and up who showed clear contrition I just don't think both of those parties cut him. It feels fair to say at this point there was some red flags there that those teams obviously aren't going to make public.

Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: . on October 31, 2020, 10:54:20 AM
I certainly agree with a lot of what Ben Scrivens wrote. I think he pretty much nailed it. I will say, however, that I wish there was an equal morality check that applied to grown men getting welcomed back into professional sports teams after comparable transgressions in other leagues.
I still think most of what's been done of late across the league is more based on optics than actual growth, and a situation like this is easy to back away from, but if he was a useful top 4 RD, you'd see the justification gymnastics from ownership and fans alike.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on October 31, 2020, 11:28:57 AM
There is still a ton of good RFA players still unsigned.  Looks like no one is really worried about offer sheets this year.

https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents/2021/points-per-game/all/all/rfa


Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 01, 2020, 10:14:21 AM
https://twitter.com/jokkenevalainen/status/1322833381374283776
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on November 01, 2020, 10:32:19 AM
Quote from: herman on November 01, 2020, 10:14:21 AM
https://twitter.com/jokkenevalainen/status/1322833381374283776
That would make sense for him. He can play professional hockey overseas because he won't be playing it here.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 02, 2020, 03:05:25 PM
Quote from: herman on November 01, 2020, 10:14:21 AM
https://twitter.com/jokkenevalainen/status/1322833381374283776

I'm skeptical this is true. I guess it's possible KHL teams might be interested in him purely from a publicity point but the odds of him being anywhere near capable of playing in the 2nd best hockey league in the world seem very, very low.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 02, 2020, 08:19:34 PM
https://twitter.com/simmonssteve/status/1323372286729216001

Jeremy Jacobs is gonna make sure the season doesn't start until Marchand and Pasta are recovered.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on November 14, 2020, 04:40:04 PM
https://twitter.com/Avalanche/status/1327684091353960450
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on November 14, 2020, 04:49:47 PM
I'll take mine in #11.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on November 14, 2020, 07:51:01 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on November 02, 2020, 08:19:34 PM
https://twitter.com/simmonssteve/status/1323372286729216001

Jeremy Jacobs is gonna make sure the season doesn't start until Marchand and Pasta are recovered.

Haha!
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on November 15, 2020, 12:18:28 AM
https://twitter.com/HeresYourReplay/status/1327794976781176833

Caufield hurt on a late headshot.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on November 16, 2020, 10:29:48 AM
So am I crazy or is there a pretty good list of available UFA's still out there that nobody is talking about? I realize that with the actual start to the season still up in the air there may be plenty of time to get people under contract but it really seems weird that guys like Hoffman or Hamonic haven't signed yet. It feels pretty unlikely that major market shifts happen outside of some big RFA's signing but even then, it feels like NHL front offices have just flat out stopped doing stuff the last few weeks with a lot of stuff out there to do.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 16, 2020, 11:03:56 AM
Quote from: Nik on November 16, 2020, 10:29:48 AM
So am I crazy or is there a pretty good list of available UFA's still out there that nobody is talking about? I realize that with the actual start to the season still up in the air there may be plenty of time to get people under contract but it really seems weird that guys like Hoffman or Hamonic haven't signed yet. It feels pretty unlikely that major market shifts happen outside of some big RFA's signing but even then, it feels like NHL front offices have just flat out stopped doing stuff the last few weeks with a lot of stuff out there to do.

I didn't realize just how many teams are already basically capped out. Capfriendly shows 15 teams with less than $2mil in cap space. Assuming Hoffman wanted say $6mil there's only 8 teams with that much available, and 2 of them (BOS and CBJ) will have less once they get their last RFAs signed.

And speaking of RFAs, we're used to see some of those guys sign pretty late now but TB and NYI still need to clear out quite a bit of cap space to get their guys signed, but as I just said there just aren't that many teams capable of taking on cap right now. Wonder if Barzal/Cirelli/Sergachev are just gonna be forced to take crappy 1 year deals.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 16, 2020, 11:39:44 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on November 16, 2020, 11:03:56 AM
I didn't realize just how many teams are already basically capped out. Capfriendly shows 15 teams with less than $2mil in cap space. Assuming Hoffman wanted say $6mil there's only 8 teams with that much available, and 2 of them (BOS and CBJ) will have less once they get their last RFAs signed.

And speaking of RFAs, we're used to see some of those guys sign pretty late now but TB and NYI still need to clear out quite a bit of cap space to get their guys signed, but as I just said there just aren't that many teams capable of taking on cap right now. Wonder if Barzal/Cirelli/Sergachev are just gonna be forced to take crappy 1 year deals.

I think that does a good job of covering why a handful of guys who deserve NHL contracts might just have to accept cheap 1 year deals, or they'll find themselves playing overseas for a season or two.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 16, 2020, 11:48:06 AM
I am laughing at NYI's capsheet, and to a similar, but lesser extent, Vancouver's.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 16, 2020, 11:55:55 AM
Quote from: herman on November 16, 2020, 11:48:06 AM
I am laughing at NYI's capsheet, and to a similar, but lesser extent, Vancouver's.

At least Vancouver is set for this season. Next year though is another story.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on November 16, 2020, 12:04:44 PM
Quote from: herman on November 16, 2020, 11:48:06 AM
I am laughing at NYI's capsheet, and to a similar, but lesser extent, Vancouver's.

We talk a lot about bad contracts but I really wonder if a team has ever gotten a worse return than Vancouver on Eriksson.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 16, 2020, 12:06:10 PM
I'm still very curious how Tampa ices a team now.

Maybe Yzerman takes Tyler Johnson for a 1st rd pick, and Boston nabs an overpaid but perfect for their playstyle Killorn.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 16, 2020, 12:10:58 PM
Quote from: Nik on November 16, 2020, 12:04:44 PM
Quote from: herman on November 16, 2020, 11:48:06 AM
I am laughing at NYI's capsheet, and to a similar, but lesser extent, Vancouver's.

We talk a lot about bad contracts but I really wonder if a team has ever gotten a worse return than Vancouver on Eriksson.

David Clarkson? It depends a bit on what return is defined as...
It was a comparable cap hit% at signing, but the expectations were not like Eriksson's. Louie put up more points, but also was a roster drag. Clarkson at least had the wherewithal to be ruinously injured (poor guy).
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on November 16, 2020, 12:18:10 PM
Quote from: herman on November 16, 2020, 12:10:58 PM
David Clarkson? It depends a bit on what return is defined as...
It was a comparable cap hit% at signing, but the expectations were not like Eriksson's. Louie put up more points, but also was a roster drag. Clarkson at least had the wherewithal to be ruinously injured (poor guy).

Clarkson was only around for two years here before he was dealt for cap relief. Eriksson is going to probably play out his entire deal.

So in that context, and this is remarkable to say, I'd rather my GM sign Clarkson.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 16, 2020, 12:29:21 PM
Quote from: Nik on November 16, 2020, 12:18:10 PM
Quote from: herman on November 16, 2020, 12:10:58 PM
David Clarkson? It depends a bit on what return is defined as...
It was a comparable cap hit% at signing, but the expectations were not like Eriksson's. Louie put up more points, but also was a roster drag. Clarkson at least had the wherewithal to be ruinously injured (poor guy).

Clarkson was only around for two years here before he was dealt for cap relief. Eriksson is going to probably play out his entire deal.

So in that context, and this is remarkable to say, I'd rather my GM sign Clarkson.

The cap relief was artificial (LTIR) and really only a stroke of luck allowed that trade to happen, but I think I would agree as well. Cap problem off the roster > cap problem on the roster.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on November 16, 2020, 02:04:16 PM
Quote from: herman on November 16, 2020, 11:48:06 AM
I am laughing at NYI's capsheet, and to a similar, but lesser extent, Vancouver's.
But Lou is a god and we would've been better off keeping him.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 16, 2020, 02:18:09 PM
Quote from: Bender on November 16, 2020, 02:04:16 PM
Quote from: herman on November 16, 2020, 11:48:06 AM
I am laughing at NYI's capsheet, and to a similar, but lesser extent, Vancouver's.
But Lou is a god and we would've been better off keeping him.

Meanwhile, the Avalanche would've won the Cup with Dubas GMing Rantanen-MacKinnon-Nylander, while the Leafs would have a top pair of Nikita Zadorov-Nikita Zaitsev
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on November 17, 2020, 07:25:19 PM

The NHL is asking players to take a further 13% salary deferral for the season, which may be why we don't have a firmer idea of when the next season will start:

NY Post: NHL wants Players to defer more money despite recent deal (https://nypost.com/2020/11/17/nhl-already-wants-more-financial-concessions-from-players/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons)
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 18, 2020, 10:45:27 AM
Quote from: Nik on November 17, 2020, 07:25:19 PM

The NHL is asking players to take a further 13% salary deferral for the season, which may be why we don't have a firmer idea of when the next season will start:

NY Post: NHL wants Players to defer more money despite recent deal (https://nypost.com/2020/11/17/nhl-already-wants-more-financial-concessions-from-players/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons)

I guess a deferral is easier to swallow than asking the players to prorate their salaries if the season wasn't 82 games (even though the MOU seems to make it clear the players and league already agreed that wouldn't happen).

Still, it seems like there's still a lot of negotiating to do here and if the league wants a January 1st start date you'd think training camps would be opening in less than a month so the clock is starting to tick.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on November 18, 2020, 11:11:41 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on November 18, 2020, 10:45:27 AM
Quote from: Nik on November 17, 2020, 07:25:19 PM

The NHL is asking players to take a further 13% salary deferral for the season, which may be why we don't have a firmer idea of when the next season will start:

NY Post: NHL wants Players to defer more money despite recent deal (https://nypost.com/2020/11/17/nhl-already-wants-more-financial-concessions-from-players/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons)

I guess a deferral is easier to swallow than asking the players to prorate their salaries if the season wasn't 82 games (even though the MOU seems to make it clear the players and league already agreed that wouldn't happen).

Still, it seems like there's still a lot of negotiating to do here and if the league wants a January 1st start date you'd think training camps would be opening in less than a month so the clock is starting to tick.

I can't imagine the league and the players thought we'd be here in November when they agreed to a framework in July.

But I also can't believe that they didn't build into the agreement something that would allow for some flexibility if they still wouldn't be able to cross borders, or play a full 82 game season.

Weird.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on November 19, 2020, 10:19:18 AM

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/players-feeling-angry-betrayed-nhls-new-cba-amendment-proposals/ (https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/players-feeling-angry-betrayed-nhls-new-cba-amendment-proposals/)

As always for the owners, it's privatize profits, socialize losses.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 19, 2020, 10:28:39 AM
QuoteThere are several problems with this in the eyes of the union: "We just made a deal, so why should it be changed?" "In the past, when we've been unhappy with a CBA, we've had to live with it," "Why did this get proposed so late, we didn't need a gun to our heads," "If we agree to this, who's to say it won't happen again," and "They knew this was going to happen all along, didn't they?"

I don't see the players budging here.

Even if I get where the owners are coming from here, they signed a deal this summer that led to this. If they turn around now and demand for more referrals it just seems like they purposely left that out of the original agreement just to ensure a smooth return to play arrangement. Nobody can act like the current situation we're in right now is a surprise.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 19, 2020, 10:49:08 AM
I don't see the players budging, either, but, ultimately, I'm not sure if it's in their best interest. The players still ultimately only get 50% of HRR. If they defer more of their salaries, they'll end up getting at least some of that money back in the future. If they lose it to escrow, they might never see any of it (at least, based on my understanding of how escrow and such works - I know there are mechanisms in place for players to get some of the escrow payments back, but I believe those only come into play if their total payout after escrow is deducted comes in below the 50% mark), as it's unlikely the league brings in enough revenue this season to cover the difference.

I get why they're holding firm - it's very late in the game for the owners to bring this forward, and is definitely dirty pool/bad faith - but they might want to do the math here before rejecting it outright. Cooler heads need to prevail, and they need to take an objective look at things, rather than the initial emotional reaction. They might be shooting themselves in their collective feet (or, maybe they have, and I'm interpreting things wrong, I honestly don't know), or missing an opportunity to get something in return from the BoG.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 19, 2020, 10:52:46 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on November 19, 2020, 10:49:08 AM
I don't see the players budging, either, but, ultimately, I'm not sure if it's in their best interest. The players still ultimately only get 50% of HRR. If they defer more of their salaries, they'll end up getting at least some of that money back in the future. If they lose it to escrow, they might never see any of it (at least, based on my understanding of how escrow and such works - I know there are mechanisms in place for players to get some of the escrow payments back, but I believe those only come into play if their total payout after escrow is deducted comes in below the 50% mark), as it's unlikely the league brings in enough revenue this season to cover the difference.

The MOU that was signed in the summer put a 20% cap on escrow for this coming season, and considering the revenues are going to be laughable escrow will surely be a full 20% (they actually probably got a pretty good deal there). So 20% of their salaries are already kaput basically and they've already agreed to defer 10% as well.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on November 19, 2020, 10:56:04 AM
At some point the players best interests are served by rejecting the BOG's attempts to negotiate in bad faith as opposed to taking the "Well, it's better than nothing" position that lead to them losing two lockouts decisively.

If the BOG was serious about the necessity of this, they'd have come to the players with that "something in return" as part of the proposal, not as something for the players to potentially try and hammer out in a counter-proposal.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 19, 2020, 11:11:52 AM
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Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on November 19, 2020, 11:22:39 AM

Admittedly, it's not as exciting as heatmaps.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on November 19, 2020, 11:44:58 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on November 19, 2020, 10:52:46 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on November 19, 2020, 10:49:08 AM
I don't see the players budging, either, but, ultimately, I'm not sure if it's in their best interest. The players still ultimately only get 50% of HRR. If they defer more of their salaries, they'll end up getting at least some of that money back in the future. If they lose it to escrow, they might never see any of it (at least, based on my understanding of how escrow and such works - I know there are mechanisms in place for players to get some of the escrow payments back, but I believe those only come into play if their total payout after escrow is deducted comes in below the 50% mark), as it's unlikely the league brings in enough revenue this season to cover the difference.

The MOU that was signed in the summer put a 20% cap on escrow for this coming season, and considering the revenues are going to be laughable escrow will surely be a full 20% (they actually probably got a pretty good deal there). So 20% of their salaries are already kaput basically and they've already agreed to defer 10% as well.

From what I understand, if what the total of salaries end up being more the 50% of revenues in a given year and escrow isn't enough to cover the overage then it's carried forward and future escrow amounts are applied to this balance. The players will end up with 50% of revenues no matter what.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 19, 2020, 11:52:44 AM
Quote from: Nik on November 19, 2020, 11:22:39 AM
Admittedly, it's not as exciting as heatmaps.

I think the owners were banking on a significantly different landscape (i.e. fans in the stands) that was always going to be a pipe dream given how it has been handled primarily with thoughts and prayers.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 19, 2020, 11:53:21 AM
Quote from: Deebo on November 19, 2020, 11:44:58 AM
From what I understand, if what the total of salaries end up being more the 50% of revenues in a given year and escrow isn't enough to cover the overage then it's carried forward and future escrow amounts are applied to this balance. The players will end up with 50% of revenues no matter what.

Ah, gotcha. Quick glance at the MOU seems to confirm. That makes more sense.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on November 19, 2020, 11:57:37 AM
Quote from: herman on November 19, 2020, 11:52:44 AM
Quote from: Nik on November 19, 2020, 11:22:39 AM
Admittedly, it's not as exciting as heatmaps.

I think the owners were banking on a significantly different landscape (i.e. fans in the stands) that was always going to be a pipe dream given how it has been handled primarily with thoughts and prayers.

Indeed. That was their bet. They bet wrong and now are asking players to cover their losses.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on November 19, 2020, 01:36:01 PM
Sounds like Kekalainen is playing some hardball with Dubois:

https://www.tsn.ca/columbus-blue-jackets-jarmo-kekalainen-sure-pierre-luc-dubois-will-sign-before-camp-1.1553877
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 25, 2020, 01:35:57 PM
https://twitter.com/NYIslanders/status/1331651647634857984

Lupul'd.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 25, 2020, 01:41:25 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on November 25, 2020, 01:35:57 PM
Lupul'd.

6M for this year and next left on the table. Is this LTIR or retirement?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 25, 2020, 01:44:21 PM
Quote from: https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/29294970/islanders-johnny-boychuk-fully-recovered-eye-injury-set-skateJohnny Boychuk, who suffered a gruesome-looking eye injury just days before the NHL season was paused in March because of the coronavirus pandemic, told Newsday on Wednesday that he's fully recovered and will be ready to play if the season resumes.

The Islanders defenseman needed 90 stitches to repair a cut above his eyelid, which he suffered when he was hit by the skate of the Montreal Canadiens' Artturi Lehkonen on March 3. He didn't suffer any damage to the eye itself.

"My eye seems to be almost like 100 percent," Boychuk told Newsday. "There's going to be a little bit of discomfort, but not much. Nothing to have me worried about being on the ice again."
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on November 25, 2020, 01:52:41 PM
Good for the Isles, I wouldn't be surprised to hear about a Barzal signing.

Will the rest of the hockey world whine about this as much as they did when it was Lupul?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 25, 2020, 02:50:51 PM
https://twitter.com/StapeAthletic/status/1331654386360209410
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 26, 2020, 04:49:22 PM
https://twitter.com/renlavoietva/status/1332063492057206786

So... January 1st eh?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on November 26, 2020, 06:48:10 PM
Honestly, I'm not sure I can handle a 3rd lockout in 15 years.  If the NHL said "we are shutting down for the 20/21 season due to COVID and feel that safety is paramount for our players and their families" I'm good with it.  But if it is more of this "poor owners" vs. "rich players" crap I might lose interest in it altogether.

The first two lockouts have cut my passion down quite a bit and a 3rd one is really not something I'm sure I'm interested in supporting.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on November 29, 2020, 12:03:30 PM
https://twitter.com/StatsCentre/status/1332948328368263168

What a brutally one-sided trade that was. Career numbers:

Naslund
1117-395-474-869

Stojanov
107-2-5-7

Stojanov was a winger picked #7 overall.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on November 29, 2020, 12:32:41 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on November 29, 2020, 12:03:30 PM
https://twitter.com/StatsCentre/status/1332948328368263168

What a brutally one-sided trade that was. Career numbers:

Naslund
1117-395-474-869

Stojanov
107-2-5-7

Stojanov was a winger picked #7 overall.
What a fleecing.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 30, 2020, 11:11:25 AM
https://twitter.com/Aportzline/status/1333426367665483778
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on November 30, 2020, 11:49:22 AM

If some of the things I've been reading about what the next 6-8 weeks might look like in the states comes true then there's going to be a point where all the testing needed to make a sports season work is going to look very, very bad if front line care workers can't get them.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 30, 2020, 02:29:28 PM
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1333476934529937408

lol
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: . on December 01, 2020, 03:30:13 PM
Quote from: Nik on November 30, 2020, 11:49:22 AM

If some of the things I've been reading about what the next 6-8 weeks might look like in the states comes true then there's going to be a point where all the testing needed to make a sports season work is going to look very, very bad if front line care workers can't get them.

Heh, I'd take it further than testing...where money trumps morals, I can see athletes getting access to a vaccine through the side entrance at the same time as at-risk populations.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on December 01, 2020, 03:49:09 PM
Quote from: Frycer14 on December 01, 2020, 03:30:13 PM
Quote from: Nik on November 30, 2020, 11:49:22 AM

If some of the things I've been reading about what the next 6-8 weeks might look like in the states comes true then there's going to be a point where all the testing needed to make a sports season work is going to look very, very bad if front line care workers can't get them.

Heh, I'd take it further than testing...where money trumps morals, I can see athletes getting access to a vaccine through the side entrance at the same time as at-risk populations.

I'd 100% bet on the leagues contacting the pharma companies and buying their own supply.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 01, 2020, 09:23:13 PM
https://twitter.com/darrendreger/status/1333943417299144704

We all should have known that CBA extension went way too smoothly.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on December 02, 2020, 10:29:30 AM

Until the PA can get it together to the extent that they can win a labour standoff there's really no downside for owners to keep coming back and asking for more. All of the rumblings about Force Majeure or anything else is just going to be window dressing for the owners thinking, with good reason, that if they withhold a couple of paychecks the players will fold as quick as you like.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on December 02, 2020, 11:41:53 AM
Nik's got it right, in my opinion. I've actually been involved recently in a "force majeure" argument (on the losing side). While I'm not an expert in law or insurance, the crux of the argument was that with force majeure you have to indicate a couple of things: 1. that there is no other alternative to the matter, and 2. that the "force" was solely responsible for the loss.

In this case, an NHL season's schedule can change, can shrink/expand, etc. I doubt the NHL has a strong argument for force majeure.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on December 02, 2020, 11:57:33 AM
Quote from: Bullfrog on December 02, 2020, 11:41:53 AM
Nik's got it right, in my opinion. I've actually been involved recently in a "force majeure" argument (on the losing side). While I'm not an expert in law or insurance, the crux of the argument was that with force majeure you have to indicate a couple of things: 1. that there is no other alternative to the matter, and 2. that the "force" was solely responsible for the loss.

In this case, an NHL season's schedule can change, can shrink/expand, etc. I doubt the NHL has a strong argument for force majeure.

Yeah, I'm not an expert either but I think they need something stronger than "If we play under the MOU we signed, we'll lose money" especially when they signed it while everyone knew the risks of potentially playing another season without a vaccine.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 02, 2020, 12:04:56 PM
I thought that was a good thread on the subject:

https://twitter.com/garik16/status/1334104980668739587

QuoteThe NHL, like the NBA, has since the lockouts featured a CBA that includes both a salary cap and a guaranty that players and owners each get a fixed percentage of Hockey Related Revenue. So if the League unexpectedly profits, players gain.  If League unexpectedly loses, they lose.

This leads to the players' hated mechanic of "Escrow" which holds back money from Players' salaries to ensure players get their exact proportion of the pie.  And since the two sides have agreed to keep increasing the cap ahead of rises in profits, escrow takes away from players.

By contrast, compare MLB (as I'll be doing a bunch in this thread), with no fixed proportions, players are guaranteed their salaries, but if the league profits - as it has for years - they don't get any benefits.  If it loses, they're also not affected.

COVID hit the US notably in March shutting down all sports seasons.  This was an unexpected event no one anticipated when signing the last CBA, and no one can argue Leagues couldn't have shut down entirely as a result for the pandemic.

Leagues didn't want to do that.  So they began to negotiate deals with players to try to make a season - a continuation for the NHL/NBA, a start of one for MLB - possible.  For the NHL, TV contractual obligations, plus escrow for the players made that highly desirable.

MLB signed a deal with its players in March, guaranteeing them a portion of their salaries.  It then tried to back away from the deal for months on end, but was stuck with the terms - WHICH did anticipate COVID and thus had to schedule the season starting in June.

Meanwhile, the NHL came to not only a deal to return to play, but a 4 year CBA extension in JULY, after MLB's mess and well after COVID became apparent.  The NHL had no obligation to extend the CBA or adjust Escrow, but they did anyway and were contractually bound.

Okay Background over, sorry for the flood.  NHL now wants to renegotiate these terms from July, claiming it can't afford them, and now leaks to NHL-friendly reporters that it can cancel the season if the players don't agree. 
Can it?  The answer is: Doubtful.

Again, not actually looking at the CBA clauses itself, but I'd be stunned if this was otherwise:  The NHL can't try to argue COVID-19 is an unexpected Force Majeure event...because they signed the deal in JULY.  COVID was already well apparent at that point!

Moreover, MLB had already signed an MOU like the NHL's (just not as permanent) and had a 3 month dispute over it due to changing COVID circumstances.  All before the July CBA extension. 
The situation was pretty easily foreseeable and they signed the CBA anyhow!

Again, there was no obligation on the NHL's part to enter into the July extension.  There was no obligation to alter escrow rules in it, or to extend the CBA beyond COVID.  But they did anyhow, despite COVID's situation being clear!  They can't just back out.

As such, NHL has no grounds for entirely canceling the season, and if they do so or keep postponing indefinitely to the same effect, it's arguably (and to me pretty clearly) a wildcat lockout, which is a massive violation of labor laws that Courts won't let stand.

This is THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES - in fact even more blatant - MLB wound up giving up its dispute in June of last year: they knew a Court would rule against them.  The NHL has even less ground to stand on.

It doesn't matter how much the teams and league are losing at this point, they're stuck.  And sucks for them, that's how the mechanics they negotiated work. 

/End Rant.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 02, 2020, 01:34:47 PM
https://twitter.com/kevin_mcgran/status/1334188296772136965

A February 1st start date seems like the most optimistic scenario right now.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 02, 2020, 02:12:19 PM
https://twitter.com/kevin_mcgran/status/1334198675149611008
Just put the discussion on public Zoom

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 02, 2020, 01:34:47 PM
A February 1st start date seems like the most optimistic scenario right now.

This helps give WJC players under contract a shot at their NHL rosters (e.g. Nick Robertson)
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on December 02, 2020, 03:29:57 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 02, 2020, 01:34:47 PM
https://twitter.com/kevin_mcgran/status/1334188296772136965

A February 1st start date seems like the most optimistic scenario right now.

Wouldn't a January 1st start date have always resulted in training camp being held over christmas?

More generally though:

It's a 50/50 deal, and with the current deferrals and escrow numbers the players could be paying this balance back for years should the whole season go by with no fans. I guess the current players are ok with that because lots of them will be out of the league while the balance is being paid off.

What about players on an ELC now who end up with bigger salaries in years where the balance is being paid back, wouldn't they be harmed by the PA not agreeing to a higher deferral?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 02, 2020, 03:45:37 PM
Quote from: Deebo on December 02, 2020, 03:29:57 PM
Wouldn't a January 1st start date have always resulted in training camp being held over christmas?

Just me speculating here, but I wonder if the players' thought was: if we're going to have an 82 game season that starts January 1st we're willing to sacrifice Christmas. Now that January 1st and a full season seem off the table they don't want to give that up.

Quote from: Deebo on December 02, 2020, 03:29:57 PM
It's a 50/50 deal, and with the current deferrals and escrow numbers the players could be paying this balance back for years should the whole season go by with no fans. I guess the current players are ok with that because lots of them will be out of the league while the balance is being paid off.

What about players on an ELC now who end up with bigger salaries in years where the balance is being paid back, wouldn't they be harmed by the PA not agreeing to a higher deferral?

The more I've thought and read about this the more I do understand why more of a deferral could potentially be seen as a smart thing for the players. With that said I think all of these questions were asked and considered within the PA back in the summer and this was the deal that they still agreed upon. The biggest thing I don't get with this talk is why anyone thought revenues were going to be any different back then.

So if the players do end up deciding that yes deferring more money would be the smart thing to do, then sure they should go ahead and accept or work with the NHL's request. If they don't though the league needs to move on and start figuring out when this season is going to start.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on December 02, 2020, 04:37:15 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 02, 2020, 03:45:37 PM
The more I've thought and read about this the more I do understand why more of a deferral could potentially be seen as a smart thing for the players. With that said I think all of these questions were asked and considered within the PA back in the summer and this was the deal that they still agreed upon. The biggest thing I don't get with this talk is why anyone thought revenues were going to be any different back then.

So if the players do end up deciding that yes deferring more money would be the smart thing to do, then sure they should go ahead and accept or work with the NHL's request. If they don't though the league needs to move on and start figuring out when this season is going to start.

I think the sort of bubbling undercurrent to all of this is that the players really genuinely hate the current escrow structure of their compensation and they probably already had effectively budgeted for the year what they'd be earning. For the NHL to come back with "deferring more right now might be better for the PA as a whole years down the road" would then likely be a pretty tough sell to anyone who had sort of worked out what they were earning this year already, with the exception maybe of the younger guys who know the CBA well enough to know it might hurt their paydays down the line(Which, realistically, is none of them but their agents would be upset).
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on December 07, 2020, 11:59:48 PM
https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1336146907295600640?s=19

I really hope we get a season. I'm jonesing so hard. But I was listening to virologists talk about cooler conditions and enclosed space being somewhat unique to hockey and that it could pose challenges in keeping everyone healthy. We see how easily flu rips through some teams.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on December 08, 2020, 12:26:45 AM
Quote from: Bender on December 07, 2020, 11:59:48 PM
https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1336146907295600640?s=19

I really hope we get a season. I'm jonesing so hard. But I was listening to virologists talk about cooler conditions and enclosed space being somewhat unique to hockey and that it could pose challenges in keeping everyone healthy. We see how easily flu rips through some teams.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/stalemate-nhl-nhlpa-agree-keep-economic-framework-new-cba/sn-amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Coming along!
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 08, 2020, 09:52:55 AM
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1336301009644220416

So from the sounds of it they basically wasted multiple weeks of time they could have been preparing for the season, thus costing them their preferred January 1st start time, all for nothing.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on December 08, 2020, 10:29:53 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 08, 2020, 09:52:55 AM
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1336301009644220416

So from the sounds of it they basically wasted multiple weeks of time they could have been preparing for the season, thus costing them their preferred January 1st start time, all for nothing.

Sounds like its the PA that dragged this out. The report of the players being asked for further deferrals came quite some time ago. LeBrun says the PA just got back this last weekend with some other CBA changes in return for agreeing to a deferral, the NHL said no so they continiue with MOU.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on December 08, 2020, 11:36:16 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 08, 2020, 09:52:55 AM
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1336301009644220416

So from the sounds of it they basically wasted multiple weeks of time they could have been preparing for the season, thus costing them their preferred January 1st start time, all for nothing.

Yeah. If the owners are to be believed then they could have kept on preparing for a season regardless of what the players said about their suggestion and implemented any adjustments if and when anything needed to change.

Although, again, it's good to see that an entirely reasonable suggestion by the players to give some teams cap relief in exchange for the actual dollars and cents proposal the NHL apparently needed was rejected so out of hand. Really impressive all the damage this league is willing to do to itself in the Quixotic pursuit of cap parity.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 08, 2020, 11:52:41 AM
Quote from: Deebo on December 08, 2020, 10:29:53 AM
Sounds like its the PA that dragged this out. The report of the players being asked for further deferrals came quite some time ago. LeBrun says the PA just got back this last weekend with some other CBA changes in return for agreeing to a deferral, the NHL said no so they continiue with MOU.

The players' initial reaction to that proposal sure seemed like they dismissed it out of hand and they said "let's just do that thing we legally agreed to in July". Then there was that period of time where the two sides weren't speaking to each other. I'm assuming at that point the players said "fine we'll consider this deferral that you so desperately want in exchange for something else" and the league so "a compromise? no way jose let's just go back to what we legally agreed to in July".

I should stress, my read on this might not be 100% accurate.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on December 08, 2020, 01:01:31 PM
 
Another thing to keep in mind is that on any issue, but especially on an issue as divisive and contentious for players as salary deferments and changes to escrow, the best answers the players could give would have to be "We'll have to consult our players and get back to you" and considering how scattered players probably are right now that wouldn't figure to be a quick process. That's why alterations to CBA's tend not to be brought up a week or so before you'd like to start a training camp.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on December 08, 2020, 02:32:45 PM
https://www.tsn.ca/pittsburgh-penguins-told-ahl-coach-to-stay-quiet-about-wife-s-sexual-assault-lawsuit-says-1.1561342

Sklade was an assistant coach to Donatelli for the Penguins' AHL affiliate.

I removed some of the more graphic descriptions that are included in the linked story.

QuoteAfter the Skaldes and Donatelli had dinner together following a game on Nov. 11, 2018, and prepared to return to their hotel, the Skaldes allege in their claim that Donatelli sexually assaulted Erin when they were briefly alone, first putting his arm around her, calling her ?sexy? and pulling her close to him.

"Mrs. Skalde tried to fight off his sexual advances and told him to stop, but to no avail, as Mr. Donatelli escalated his attack, including <graphic description removed> and <graphic description removed>," the lawsuit alleges.

Skalde returned to his wife and Donatelli a few minutes later and they took a car-ride service back to the hotel. Donatelli insisted that he sit in the back seat with Erin for the ride, and that Skalde sit in the front.

"Still in shock and uncertain what to do in response to her husband?s boss sexually assaulting her, Mrs. Skalde fearfully entered the back seat of the car, trying to put as much distance between herself and Mr. Donatelli as she could, to avoid him again sexually touching her," the lawsuit says.

"Mr. Donatelli resumed his sexual assault and battery of Mrs. Skalde once he had her in the darkness of the backseat. He not only <graphic description removed>, but also <graphic description removed>, despite her efforts to push him away? Only later did Mr. Skalde find out what happened to his wife that night, shaking him to the core to learn that he had sat unknowingly in the front seat as his boss has sexually assaulted his wife."

Skalde alleges that seven months later, when the incident was brought to the attention of Penguins? assistant general manager Bill Guerin, whose duties included overseeing the NHL team?s AHL operation, Guerin told Skalde to keep quiet about the alleged assault. He alleges the NHL team has violated Pennsylvania?s whistleblower laws and fired him on May 5, 2020, because he complained to the team.



Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on December 08, 2020, 03:18:49 PM

https://www.nhl.com/panthers/news/florida-panthers-hockey-operations-establishes-goaltending-excellence-department/c-319773818 (https://www.nhl.com/panthers/news/florida-panthers-hockey-operations-establishes-goaltending-excellence-department/c-319773818)

Kind of an interesting idea from the Panthers. On the surface it just looks like having a bunch of goaltending coaches but maybe it will lead to something where instead of scouting being broken down by region you have specific G/D/F scouts? Or maybe people already do that.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on December 08, 2020, 03:25:32 PM
Quote from: Nik on December 08, 2020, 03:18:49 PM

https://www.nhl.com/panthers/news/florida-panthers-hockey-operations-establishes-goaltending-excellence-department/c-319773818 (https://www.nhl.com/panthers/news/florida-panthers-hockey-operations-establishes-goaltending-excellence-department/c-319773818)

Kind of an interesting idea from the Panthers. On the surface it just looks like having a bunch of goaltending coaches but maybe it will lead to something where instead of scouting being broken down by region you have specific G/D/F scouts? Or maybe people already do that.

I would assume that in regards to goaltending it's being done by other teams. I'm not sure if it'd be done for F's and D.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on December 08, 2020, 04:14:47 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on December 08, 2020, 03:25:32 PM
I would assume that in regards to goaltending it's being done by other teams. I'm not sure if it'd be done for F's and D.

I assume that as well but I couldn't, for instance, name anyone who held that job for the Leafs for instance. Now that might be to shield a guy from public criticism if a Leafs Goalie pick turns out bad but I wonder if what Florida is doing is at least a step towards making that more defined.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 08, 2020, 05:25:43 PM
Quote from: Nik on December 08, 2020, 04:14:47 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on December 08, 2020, 03:25:32 PM
I would assume that in regards to goaltending it's being done by other teams. I'm not sure if it'd be done for F's and D.

I assume that as well but I couldn't, for instance, name anyone who held that job for the Leafs for instance. Now that might be to shield a guy from public criticism if a Leafs Goalie pick turns out bad but I wonder if what Florida is doing is at least a step towards making that more defined.

For goalies, teams' scouting directors usually consult the team goalie coaches (if applicable) with potentials to check out and get feedback on, as well as for pro-side decisions.

I imagine, within scouting departments, you've got regionality for practical eyeball coverage reasons, but also internal specialists who have a knack for identifying the defensemen your team excels at building (e.g. Anaheim) or forwards.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on December 08, 2020, 05:38:23 PM
Quote from: herman on December 08, 2020, 05:25:43 PM
For goalies, teams' scouting directors usually consult the team goalie coaches (if applicable) with potentials to check out and get feedback on, as well as for pro-side decisions.

I imagine, within scouting departments, you've got regionality for practical eyeball coverage reasons, but also internal specialists who have a knack for identifying the defensemen your team excels at building (e.g. Anaheim) or forwards.

I'd be interested in knowing what you're basing your statement on what usually happens is but even then I guess what I'm saying is that as front offices expand, it seems to me to make sense that you would have roving position-specific scouts who you could assign to look at particular players over the course of a year.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 09, 2020, 01:28:48 AM
Quote from: Nik on December 08, 2020, 05:38:23 PM
Quote from: herman on December 08, 2020, 05:25:43 PM
For goalies, teams' scouting directors usually consult the team goalie coaches (if applicable) with potentials to check out and get feedback on, as well as for pro-side decisions.

I imagine, within scouting departments, you've got regionality for practical eyeball coverage reasons, but also internal specialists who have a knack for identifying the defensemen your team excels at building (e.g. Anaheim) or forwards.

I'd be interested in knowing what you're basing your statement on what usually happens is but even then I guess what I'm saying is that as front offices expand, it seems to me to make sense that you would have roving position-specific scouts who you could assign to look at particular players over the course of a year.

https://www.nhl.com/news/coyotes-director-of-goaltending-operations-nhl-trend/c-319463564
This one is fairly recent, featuring Brian Daccord getting an upgrade with the Coyotes as their Director of Goaltending after serving as the first full-time goalie scout under Lou/Leafs.

I don't think your suggestion of roving position-specialists is unusual and I expect it is already being done to varying degrees in most clubs (with money). Everything gets funneled to the front office and collaborated over anyway. I think it's pretty natural that each scouting department has recognized specialists whose experience and insight counts more for defense/forwards. Tapping your already in-house goaltending coach is an easy step to make for feedback on a shortlist of candidates that the scout and data teams have scrounged up.

I can't remember precisely where (probably one of The Athletic affiliated ones), but there was a podcast with Cat Silverman (InGoal Magazine) talking about her time with Arizona's front office as a goalie dev coach and getting asked for input into some of their picks and trade targets (Annti Raanta).
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on December 09, 2020, 01:54:02 PM
tsn.ca reporting that Pacioretty is on the block in Vegas.  3 years at $7m AAV left, $17.5m left in real dollars. 

I don't know what the market bears for this sort of player given Hoffman is still out there for free.

Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 09, 2020, 02:10:31 PM
Quote from: Frank E on December 09, 2020, 01:54:02 PM
tsn.ca reporting that Pacioretty is on the block in Vegas.  3 years at $7m AAV left, $17.5m left in real dollars. 

I don't know what the market bears for this sort of player given Hoffman is still out there for free.

The Blue Jackets should probably jump on this.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 09, 2020, 02:13:41 PM
https://twitter.com/NHLFlyers/status/1336719128850292739
Lol
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 09, 2020, 02:28:38 PM
Quote from: herman on December 09, 2020, 02:10:31 PM
Quote from: Frank E on December 09, 2020, 01:54:02 PM
tsn.ca reporting that Pacioretty is on the block in Vegas.  3 years at $7m AAV left, $17.5m left in real dollars. 

I don't know what the market bears for this sort of player given Hoffman is still out there for free.

The Blue Jackets should probably jump on this.

They won't have the room once they get Dubois signed. Nashville was the team that seemed like a great fit for him to me.

Ah, they'd LTIR Dubinsky. Still, let him stay in the West.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: . on December 09, 2020, 02:42:45 PM
Quote from: herman on December 09, 2020, 02:10:31 PM
Quote from: Frank E on December 09, 2020, 01:54:02 PM
tsn.ca reporting that Pacioretty is on the block in Vegas.  3 years at $7m AAV left, $17.5m left in real dollars. 

I don't know what the market bears for this sort of player given Hoffman is still out there for free.

The Blue Jackets should probably jump on this.

I can't tell if serious or not. I don't know why any team would take that deal unless it has a return reflective of a full on cap dump/buyout.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 09, 2020, 02:46:19 PM
Quote from: Frycer14 on December 09, 2020, 02:42:45 PM
I can't tell if serious or not. I don't know why any team would take that deal unless it has a return reflective of a full on cap dump/buyout.

My Nashville suggestion was certainly under the assumption that any return for Pacioretty would be in the Schmidt-territory. He definitely won't bring back anything close to what he's actually worth.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 09, 2020, 02:54:44 PM
Quote from: Frank E on December 09, 2020, 01:54:02 PM
tsn.ca reporting that Pacioretty is on the block in Vegas.  3 years at $7m AAV left, $17.5m left in real dollars. 

I don't know what the market bears for this sort of player given Hoffman is still out there for free.

Signing Hoffman doesn't come with the opportunity to send salary out, as well. So, any team that thinks they can add Patches for less of an increase in cap/salary than the value of the contract they think Hoffman will sign for could be interested.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: . on December 09, 2020, 02:56:46 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 09, 2020, 02:46:19 PM
Quote from: Frycer14 on December 09, 2020, 02:42:45 PM
I can't tell if serious or not. I don't know why any team would take that deal unless it has a return reflective of a full on cap dump/buyout.

My Nashville suggestion was certainly under the assumption that any return for Pacioretty would be in the Schmidt-territory. He definitely won't bring back anything close to what he's actually worth.

Actually, I kind of take that back a bit. I checked his stats last year, they were way better than I'd thought.

Yeah, maybe there is some value there, but likely not as full freight as you mention.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 09, 2020, 02:58:23 PM
Quote from: herman on December 09, 2020, 02:13:41 PM
https://twitter.com/NHLFlyers/status/1336719128850292739
Lol

Well, many have been pushing for contraction at various points...
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 09, 2020, 02:59:07 PM
Quote from: Frycer14 on December 09, 2020, 02:56:46 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 09, 2020, 02:46:19 PM
Quote from: Frycer14 on December 09, 2020, 02:42:45 PM
I can't tell if serious or not. I don't know why any team would take that deal unless it has a return reflective of a full on cap dump/buyout.

My Nashville suggestion was certainly under the assumption that any return for Pacioretty would be in the Schmidt-territory. He definitely won't bring back anything close to what he's actually worth.

Actually, I kind of take that back a bit. I checked his stats last year, they were way better than I'd thought.

Yeah, maybe there is some value there, but likely not as full freight as you mention.

Oh yeah Pacioretty is definitely a good player, albeit an aging one. It's just that any player with a significant cap hit is going to have his value tanked right now.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 09, 2020, 04:01:35 PM
Quote from: herman on December 09, 2020, 02:10:31 PM
Quote from: Frank E on December 09, 2020, 01:54:02 PM
tsn.ca reporting that Pacioretty is on the block in Vegas.  3 years at $7m AAV left, $17.5m left in real dollars. 

I don't know what the market bears for this sort of player given Hoffman is still out there for free.

The Blue Jackets should probably jump on this.

If they can send Nyquist the other way, it might be worth it them. Vegas would probably prefer an expiring contract, though, so it might have to be Dubinsky - which would be a much bigger gain for the Knights (in terms of cap space, at least, which is really what they need right now - so Columbus shouldn't be adding much on top of that) or Foligno if Vegas wants an NHL player and the Jackets are willing to move their captain.

If they want to be super generous, they should offer a straight up swap of Pacioretty for Riley Nash.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on December 09, 2020, 04:23:59 PM
Quote from: herman on December 09, 2020, 01:28:48 AM
https://www.nhl.com/news/coyotes-director-of-goaltending-operations-nhl-trend/c-319463564
This one is fairly recent, featuring Brian Daccord getting an upgrade with the Coyotes as their Director of Goaltending after serving as the first full-time goalie scout under Lou/Leafs.

Yeah, that seems like another example of a relatively forward team on the matter. I'm not sure it really tells us common practice.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on December 09, 2020, 05:30:36 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on December 09, 2020, 02:58:23 PM
Quote from: herman on December 09, 2020, 02:13:41 PM
https://twitter.com/NHLFlyers/status/1336719128850292739
Lol

Well, many have been pushing for contraction at various points...

Maybe they're automatically in the playoffs?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on December 09, 2020, 05:41:04 PM
https://twitter.com/rwesthead/status/1336655101004537861
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 09, 2020, 05:54:15 PM
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1336779839714570243
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1336788787192541187

REPORTER BEEFS (are incredibly immature and childish)
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 09, 2020, 06:04:05 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 09, 2020, 05:54:15 PM
REPORTER BEEFS (are incredibly immature and childish)

Seravalli is basically child aged though
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 09, 2020, 06:42:53 PM
Quote from: herman on December 09, 2020, 06:04:05 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 09, 2020, 05:54:15 PM
REPORTER BEEFS (are incredibly immature and childish)

Seravalli is basically child aged though

I wanted to make a joke about how a man clearly in his mid-40s like Seravalli should know better but couldn't fit it in.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on December 09, 2020, 09:55:50 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 09, 2020, 06:42:53 PM
Quote from: herman on December 09, 2020, 06:04:05 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 09, 2020, 05:54:15 PM
REPORTER BEEFS (are incredibly immature and childish)

Seravalli is basically child aged though

I wanted to make a joke about how a man clearly in his mid-40s like Seravalli should know better but couldn't fit it in.
Seravalli is 32.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on December 10, 2020, 12:15:55 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on December 09, 2020, 09:55:50 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 09, 2020, 06:42:53 PM
Quote from: herman on December 09, 2020, 06:04:05 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 09, 2020, 05:54:15 PM
REPORTER BEEFS (are incredibly immature and childish)

Seravalli is basically child aged though

I wanted to make a joke about how a man clearly in his mid-40s like Seravalli should know better but couldn't fit it in.
Seravalli is 32.
I think that may be the joke
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on December 10, 2020, 10:54:03 AM
Quote from: Bender on December 10, 2020, 12:15:55 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on December 09, 2020, 09:55:50 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 09, 2020, 06:42:53 PM
Quote from: herman on December 09, 2020, 06:04:05 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 09, 2020, 05:54:15 PM
REPORTER BEEFS (are incredibly immature and childish)

Seravalli is basically child aged though

I wanted to make a joke about how a man clearly in his mid-40s like Seravalli should know better but couldn't fit it in.
Seravalli is 32.
I think that may be the joke
Well his delivery sucked lol.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: . on December 12, 2020, 06:21:30 PM
I was thinking the other day about the vaccine passports, and hey, why not open up free seating for the home games upon provision of the passport?

It would be neat to see the coverings come off the lower bowl and then upper areas as the inoculations progressed. Also, I imagine a good percentage of those given the shots are front line health care who definitely deserve a free leaf game.

I suppose even with the vaccine, there's some epidemiological reason why it isn't a good idea, but barring that, it seems fun. 
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Peter D. on December 12, 2020, 07:46:00 PM
Quote from: Frycer14 on December 12, 2020, 06:21:30 PM
I was thinking the other day about the vaccine passports, and hey, why not open up free seating for the home games upon provision of the passport?

It would be neat to see the coverings come off the lower bowl and then upper areas as the inoculations progressed. Also, I imagine a good percentage of those given the shots are front line health care who definitely deserve a free leaf game.

I suppose even with the vaccine, there's some epidemiological reason why it isn't a good idea, but barring that, it seems fun.

Why would they offer up free games, especially after all the revenue lost already?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on December 12, 2020, 08:23:32 PM
Quote from: Peter D. on December 12, 2020, 07:46:00 PM
Why would they offer up free games, especially after all the revenue lost already?

If you opened up concessions you could start generating some stadium revenue even with free tickets.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Peter D. on December 12, 2020, 11:06:56 PM
Quote from: Nik on December 12, 2020, 08:23:32 PM
Quote from: Peter D. on December 12, 2020, 07:46:00 PM
Why would they offer up free games, especially after all the revenue lost already?

If you opened up concessions you could start generating some stadium revenue even with free tickets.

I just find it strange that of all times they are going to offer free tickets, it would be now.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 15, 2020, 12:50:19 PM
https://info.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/preds-prospect-connor-ingram-sent-packing-after-allegations-of-cheating-and-game-fixing

hmm, what is happening here
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: . on December 15, 2020, 01:26:40 PM
It looked like almost every goal was on a powerplay. Anyway, I didn't see the goalie clearly pooch anything intentionally.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 15, 2020, 03:30:46 PM
https://twitter.com/BlakeMurphyODC/status/1338925793930604547

Relevant since the Raptors are playing out of the Lightning's arena. Obviously not the exact same circumstances but I wouldn't be surprised if some governments/teams try to make this happen in the NHL too.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 17, 2020, 11:25:00 AM
This would normally be in the Minor Ex-Leafs news, but since he is not a minor ex-Leaf, Cup champion Alex Steen is hanging up the skates.

https://twitter.com/StLouisBlues/status/1339586288232484864

I will never not hate the trade that separated him from Matt Stajan.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 17, 2020, 02:04:44 PM
https://twitter.com/hlundqvist35/status/1339631911627608064
Whoa, but also for the best.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 17, 2020, 02:14:44 PM
Damn, that sucks. I hope this isn't how his career ends.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 17, 2020, 02:42:47 PM
Looking at this from Washington's perspective right now... not a lot of free agents goalies left who could platoon with Samsonov. Jimmy Howard? Craig Anderson? Cory Schneider? Tough spot for them to be in.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Highlander on December 17, 2020, 03:56:40 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 17, 2020, 02:42:47 PM
Looking at this from Washington's perspective right now... not a lot of free agents goalies left who could platoon with Samsonov. Jimmy Howard? Craig Anderson? Cory Schneider? Tough spot for them to be in.
Maybe they will grab Dell off waivers, hope not.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on December 17, 2020, 05:02:27 PM
Quote from: herman on December 17, 2020, 11:25:00 AM
This would normally be in the Minor Ex-Leafs news, but since he is not a minor ex-Leaf, Cup champion Alex Steen is hanging up the skates.

https://twitter.com/StLouisBlues/status/1339586288232484864

I will never not hate the trade that separated him from Matt Stajan.

Ah.

I missed this and did put it in that exact section.. oops.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on December 17, 2020, 06:00:05 PM

fwiw The "minor" Ex-Leaf news is a thread on the more general Ex-Leaf board so you're all wrong.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 18, 2020, 08:42:05 PM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1340092188160634886
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 19, 2020, 01:17:59 AM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1340117774237134848
Memorial Cup style
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1340099155516121088
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1340160908866281472
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on December 19, 2020, 01:35:10 AM
Quote from: herman on December 19, 2020, 01:17:59 AM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1340117774237134848
Memorial Cup style
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1340099155516121088
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1340160908866281472
I'm liking this.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on December 19, 2020, 02:21:49 AM
Quote from: herman on December 19, 2020, 01:17:59 AM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1340117774237134848

This was exactly what I was hoping they were going to do.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 19, 2020, 04:25:18 PM
Quote from: Dappleganger on December 19, 2020, 02:21:49 AM
Quote from: herman on December 19, 2020, 01:17:59 AM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1340117774237134848

This was exactly what I was hoping they were going to do.

It?s like the 80s, except the Leafs don?t have a cheapskate criminal for an owner!
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on December 20, 2020, 09:14:38 AM
I miss hockey guys
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 20, 2020, 12:12:06 PM
A few years from now, I expect we're going to look back on the 2021 draft and see an unusual number of good to great players picked much later than usual. It's going to be tough to evaluate a good number of players based on a low number of games played.

I know trading down is pretty much automatic for Dubas, but I think it's going to be even more worthwhile than usual in this draft. I hope his team can make some sound projections based on last season's play.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 20, 2020, 04:38:02 PM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1340757347799621632
https://twitter.com/pierrevlebrun/status/1340673097926651904
https://twitter.com/pr_nhl/status/1340757002927153152
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 20, 2020, 04:53:48 PM
Dallas, Minnesota, and St.Louis getting inexplicably boned in realignment travel.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 20, 2020, 04:54:38 PM
They're not even gonna call it the Canadian division? I realize this is a incredibly small thing to complain about these days but come on.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 20, 2020, 04:56:05 PM
Quote from: herman on December 20, 2020, 04:53:48 PM
Dallas, Minnesota, and St.Louis getting inexplicably boned in realignment travel.

Why wouldn't St. Louis and Dallas swap? That's weird.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 20, 2020, 05:02:46 PM
So we gotta bank mad cap space for Taylor Hall who is going to be facing a murder division.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 20, 2020, 06:13:59 PM
Quote from: herman on December 20, 2020, 05:02:46 PM
So we gotta bank mad cap space for Taylor Hall who is going to be facing a murder division.

Don?t wanna give the Sabres any assets. I hope they still feel they have a chance at the deadline, and waste some of their own instead.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 20, 2020, 06:17:25 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 20, 2020, 04:56:05 PM
Quote from: herman on December 20, 2020, 04:53:48 PM
Dallas, Minnesota, and St.Louis getting inexplicably boned in realignment travel.

Why wouldn't St. Louis and Dallas swap? That's weird.

https://twitter.com/stllr_/status/1340698514662301696
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 20, 2020, 07:01:48 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 20, 2020, 04:56:05 PM
Quote from: herman on December 20, 2020, 04:53:48 PM
Dallas, Minnesota, and St.Louis getting inexplicably boned in realignment travel.

Why wouldn't St. Louis and Dallas swap? That's weird.

Yeah. That doesn?t make a ton of sense. Minnesota was going to get boned, regardless, but St Louis and Dallas didn?t need to be.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: . on December 20, 2020, 08:19:09 PM
Did the two Canadian provinces (I think it was BC and QUE) drop their objections?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 20, 2020, 08:37:02 PM
Quote from: Frycer14 on December 20, 2020, 08:19:09 PM
Did the two Canadian provinces (I think it was BC and QUE) drop their objections?

Last I heard it was BC, ON, and QC that had misgivings now.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 20, 2020, 08:50:52 PM
https://twitter.com/capfriendly/status/1340692738040340480
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on December 20, 2020, 10:24:46 PM
Quote from: herman on December 20, 2020, 08:50:52 PM
https://twitter.com/capfriendly/status/1340692738040340480
I am really hoping they figure this out...
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 21, 2020, 12:25:53 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1341042401289318400

How to solve TB's cap problem: Kucherov (and Stamkos) to LTIR for the season and they make 3rd place.

They return for game one of the playoffs, clear of cap considerations.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on December 21, 2020, 12:52:31 PM
Quote from: herman on December 20, 2020, 04:53:48 PM
Dallas, Minnesota, and St.Louis getting inexplicably boned in realignment travel.
Dallas sure didn't. Their longest flight is like 2 1/4 hours. Minny and St Louis have some long flights but the North division has the longest flights. Leafs, when they go west, their shortest flight is almost 2 1/2 to Winn. Their longest is 4 1/2 to Van. Calgary and Edm are also 4 hrs. Montreal is 5hrs to Van.
Teams are on chartered planes and they'll play 2 or 3 game sets so I really don't see travel being much of an issue when all is said and done.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 21, 2020, 01:01:31 PM
My suggestion that Dallas and St. Louis swap divisions is less about logistical issues and more about their relationships to other teams. St. Louis' 3 biggest rivals are Chicago, Nashville, and Detroit. I'm not sure Dallas has any blood feuds exactly with other teams but I've always connected them more to Colorado and the west coast teams. It's like if Toronto got put into a division that didn't include Ottawa or Montreal.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 21, 2020, 02:18:20 PM
https://twitter.com/ByTimReynolds/status/1340767919161151488

[Insert snark here]
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 21, 2020, 04:13:26 PM
https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/1341100380357230592
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 21, 2020, 04:43:12 PM
Quote from: herman on December 21, 2020, 04:13:26 PM
https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/1341100380357230592

Man if we don't destroy this division...
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 21, 2020, 06:42:52 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 21, 2020, 04:43:12 PM
Quote from: herman on December 21, 2020, 04:13:26 PM
https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/1341100380357230592

Man if we don't destroy this division...

I definitely would entertain firing everyone
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 22, 2020, 12:23:21 AM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1341232710237495296
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 22, 2020, 10:35:36 AM
Quote from: herman on December 22, 2020, 12:23:21 AM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1341232710237495296

Surely these two statements are unrelated.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 22, 2020, 10:57:15 AM
https://twitter.com/tsn_wally/status/1341390262313095175
https://twitter.com/tsn_wally/status/1341442849359970313
Please never change, DJ
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 22, 2020, 11:17:54 AM
Quote from: herman on December 22, 2020, 10:57:15 AM
https://twitter.com/tsn_wally/status/1341390262313095175
Please never change, DJ

I mean the other option is Zaitsev, so...
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 22, 2020, 11:18:33 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 22, 2020, 11:17:54 AM
I mean the other option is Zaitsev, so...

He'll be hamstringing Brannstrom
and somewhat miraculously not our problem anymore.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 22, 2020, 11:52:45 AM
Yeah, the Sens blueline is quite the mishmash of good puck movers and terrible stay-at-home types.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Highlander on December 22, 2020, 01:27:40 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 22, 2020, 10:35:36 AM
Quote from: herman on December 22, 2020, 12:23:21 AM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1341232710237495296

Surely these two statements are unrelated.
A Goat in the desert is a dangerous thing, especially for the Goat.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 22, 2020, 03:15:41 PM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1341460163983716355

I really feel like the word "trailblazer" should be reserved for much more serious things but aside from that these seem fine.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 22, 2020, 03:57:45 PM
What's worse: Friedman calling the Devils "trailblazers" for being the first to post a picture of their decal or the Capitals posting a 45 second video that describes having a decal on their helmet as a "historic moment"?

https://twitter.com/Capitals/status/1341461259968012296
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: . on December 22, 2020, 04:27:56 PM
Yeah, if the usage of the word "trailblazer" from a pretty decent reporter deserves special mention for derision, then it's indeed been a year with incredibly high standards.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Rob on December 22, 2020, 05:13:50 PM
So it has begun. 




(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2012/09/23/sports/YNHL/YNHL-superJumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp)
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 22, 2020, 05:25:39 PM
The fire helmet needs to be a thing
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 22, 2020, 06:39:58 PM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1341508472039464960
Touchdown!
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on December 22, 2020, 08:21:43 PM
Kucherov has issues?

https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2020/12/21/report-nikita-kucherov-battling-an-injury-that-may-keep-him-out-awhile/
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 22, 2020, 09:34:50 PM
Quote from: princedpw on December 22, 2020, 08:21:43 PM
Kucherov has issues?

https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2020/12/21/report-nikita-kucherov-battling-an-injury-that-may-keep-him-out-awhile/

What is more amusing?
Russian Machine Never Breaks reporting on injuries to Russian players
Or
LeafsPR announcing the Leafs have traded so-and-so #LeafsForever
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 23, 2020, 04:36:14 PM
https://twitter.com/Erik_Erlendsson/status/1341844788442767362

Well there it is.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 23, 2020, 04:58:29 PM
https://twitter.com/IneffectiveMath/status/1341849215358685185
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 23, 2020, 05:02:19 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 23, 2020, 04:36:14 PM
https://twitter.com/Erik_Erlendsson/status/1341844788442767362

Well there it is.

This is a pretty boring conclusion for what could've been high asset management drama. Before everyone accuses them of doing this on purpose, it's like the Leafs getting out of a cap conundrum with a player somewhere between Matthews and Marner level out for the regular season, without a Tavares/Nylander in the wings.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 23, 2020, 05:19:13 PM
Quote from: herman on December 23, 2020, 05:02:19 PM
This is a pretty boring conclusion for what could've been high asset management drama. Before everyone accuses them of doing this on purpose, it's like the Leafs getting out of a cap conundrum with a player somewhere between Matthews and Marner level out for the regular season, without a Tavares/Nylander in the wings.

Yeah I'm not doubting that the injury is legit. The question is gonna be when he inevitably gets medical clearance to play right before game 1 of the playoffs... could he have actually been healthy enough to play a week or a month before that and they just kept him on the LTIR because of cap issues?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on December 23, 2020, 10:49:30 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 23, 2020, 05:19:13 PM
Quote from: herman on December 23, 2020, 05:02:19 PM
This is a pretty boring conclusion for what could've been high asset management drama. Before everyone accuses them of doing this on purpose, it's like the Leafs getting out of a cap conundrum with a player somewhere between Matthews and Marner level out for the regular season, without a Tavares/Nylander in the wings.

Yeah I'm not doubting that the injury is legit. The question is gonna be when he inevitably gets medical clearance to play right before game 1 of the playoffs... could he have actually been healthy enough to play a week or a month before that and they just kept him on the LTIR because of cap issues?
It could be even more interesting if they're in danger to missing the playoffs. No guarantees that Stamkos will play or for how long and with both out their chances  def get reduced.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 24, 2020, 02:23:46 AM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1341963454501052416
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on December 24, 2020, 09:58:46 AM
Quote from: herman on December 24, 2020, 02:23:46 AM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1341963454501052416

I haven't read this but.... I think in general the teams can try to keep any illnesses isolated. I know it won't be perfect or easy, but if all the teams are on board then I think there has to be a path forward. Travel isn't really restricted at all and although hockey poses its own specific risks to the virus, I just find it tough that considering how they still have a lot of latitude to lay down the hammer if they wanted to in most places, they just generally haven't.

Basically what I'm saying is give me a harder lockdown or give me hockey.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on December 24, 2020, 10:57:57 AM
The only real issue I have is the NHL has handled this whole situations extremely poorly.  They don't have approval for their schedule but released their schedule.  They shouldn't be negotiating to have things work at this point unless unforseen circumstances changed a pre-existing agreement.

This is more of the "I'll relocate the team if you don't pay for the arena" style strong arming in my eyes and that bothers me.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 24, 2020, 04:46:43 PM
https://twitter.com/tsnhockey/status/1342206949849509894
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: . on December 24, 2020, 08:20:25 PM
Quote from: L K on December 24, 2020, 10:57:57 AM
The only real issue I have is the NHL has handled this whole situations extremely poorly. 

I'm no stooge for the league but it seems people are in a real rush to criticize things that are likely very complex and with a lot of moving parts that fans simply aren't privy to.

The NHL and players did an amazing job with the playoffs considering the obstacles, and I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on how they're approaching working with labour unions and governments, which, as everyone knows, is super easy and moves in a straight line.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 25, 2020, 05:56:33 PM
The newest of the many realizations I've had about the upcoming season: The border is going to play havoc on the trade deadline. How much cross-border trading can there be? Will the cross-border market particularly work against the Canadian teams for trading options? Will there be 14-day quarantines for trades? For players, this will be a particularly bad year to get traded without player agreement to it.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on December 25, 2020, 11:06:48 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on December 25, 2020, 05:56:33 PM
The newest of the many realizations I've had about the upcoming season: The border is going to play havoc on the trade deadline. How much cross-border trading can there be? Will the cross-border market particularly work against the Canadian teams for trading options? Will there be 14-day quarantines for trades? For players, this will be a particularly bad year to get traded without player agreement to it.
Hopefully they can finally really nail down rapid testing.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 27, 2020, 12:56:54 PM
https://twitter.com/hailey_salvian/status/1343052277175771141

lol, ok
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 27, 2020, 01:53:59 PM
Because of the cap Derek Stepan is worth a 2nd round draft pick while Nate Schmidt is worth a 3rd rounder. Great system.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 27, 2020, 03:06:25 PM
Stepan?s not going to move the needle much for Ottawa, but if he puts up decent numbers, they should at least recoup the pick at the deadline.

Which ultimately makes this a pretty pointless deal.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Rob on December 27, 2020, 04:25:52 PM
Think the NHL could have put in no trades for the upcoming season.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 27, 2020, 08:30:39 PM
https://twitter.com/stlouisblues/status/1343344735495352321
https://twitter.com/jprutherford/status/1343347236663664642
This could be interesting
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on December 27, 2020, 09:12:36 PM
https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1343363116298596352
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on December 27, 2020, 09:25:36 PM
Quote from: Deebo on December 27, 2020, 09:12:36 PM
https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1343363116298596352
I find all deals these days confusing.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 27, 2020, 09:47:08 PM
Nilsson and Gaborik are both declared LTIR, to go with Kucherov. Tampa clears out some overpays and gains 3.25M in space. Ottawa recoups the 2nd rder they spent today and added more serviceable okay players for Matthews and co. to dummy.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 27, 2020, 09:57:18 PM
Tidy bit of work there for Tampa. They give up 2 players who were probably superfluous to get themselves cap compliant. Ottawa adds a couple deadline assets and a late 2nd for two guys that weren?t going to play this season, which should make Melnyk a little happier, as the team saves a little bit of cash and isn?t paying as much money for guys who aren?t going to hit the ice. Makes sense for both sides.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 27, 2020, 10:05:36 PM
Coburn waived his NTC to go to Ottawa of all places? Damn BriseBois owes him big (likely in the form of a cushy post-retirement gig).
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on December 27, 2020, 10:31:24 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 27, 2020, 10:05:36 PM
Coburn waived his NTC to go to Ottawa of all places? Damn BriseBois owes him big (likely in the form of a cushy post-retirement gig).

Maybe he wanted to be in Canada.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on December 28, 2020, 11:38:18 AM
https://twitter.com/CanadiensMTL/status/1343580833886699520

Not bad.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 28, 2020, 11:46:25 AM
Kinda too bad there wasn't any room for him here. I prefer Simmonds though, even at double the price.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on December 28, 2020, 12:44:22 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 28, 2020, 11:46:25 AM
Kinda too bad there wasn't any room for him here. I prefer Simmonds though, even at double the price.

Yeah, that is too bad, especially at that number. 
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on December 28, 2020, 01:44:10 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 28, 2020, 11:46:25 AM
Kinda too bad there wasn't any room for him here. I prefer Simmonds though, even at double the price.
What can you do. I'd rather roll the dice on the younger player also.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on December 28, 2020, 04:40:48 PM
This schedule is going to go a long way towards battle testing teams for the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 28, 2020, 07:35:45 PM
https://twitter.com/nhlblackhawks/status/1343697093618184194
That is basically the season
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 28, 2020, 08:16:03 PM
Yikes that sucks. Especially for a guy in his development stage. He's going to go a long-ass time without playing a game.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 28, 2020, 08:27:36 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 28, 2020, 08:16:03 PM
Yikes that sucks. Especially for a guy in his development stage. He's going to go a long-ass time without playing a game.

He will probably become an excellent skater as a result (he is already pretty good)
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 29, 2020, 11:01:13 AM
Jonathan Toews will miss the start of the season as well (illness). Dylan Strome is defaulting to 1C.

https://twitter.com/Tramyers_NHL/status/1343961881434869765
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: . on December 29, 2020, 02:23:19 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 28, 2020, 11:46:25 AM
Kinda too bad there wasn't any room for him here. I prefer Simmonds though, even at double the price.

That's a tough one. At 750K I wish they could have found room for Perry just so that the Leafs don't have to play him ten times.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on December 29, 2020, 02:26:26 PM
Quote from: herman on December 28, 2020, 08:27:36 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 28, 2020, 08:16:03 PM
Yikes that sucks. Especially for a guy in his development stage. He's going to go a long-ass time without playing a game.

He will probably become an excellent skater as a result (he is already pretty good)

Yeah, it's certainly not great for his development to miss out on in game action but outside of the stick play he should be able to work pretty hard on the mental aspect of the game and his core/lower body work.  He seems like the kind of kid who has a big motor to be good so it hopefully shouldn't set him back too bad. 

He had a nice Colles fracture of his wrist so I'm not surprised that he needed surgery based on the images that came out pre-reduction.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on December 30, 2020, 04:54:32 PM
Zdeno Chara to Washington?  Interesting.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 30, 2020, 05:04:50 PM
what lmao
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on December 30, 2020, 05:06:09 PM
Let's see how Chara is when he won't benefit from the Jeremy Jacobs "refs turn their heads for Bruins interference".
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on December 30, 2020, 05:11:13 PM
QuoteMy family and I have been so fortunate to call the great city of Boston our home for over 14 years. Recently, The Boston Bruins have informed me that they plan to move forward with their many younger and talented players and I respect their decision. Unfortunately, my time as the proud Captain of the Bruins has come to an end.

I want to first of all thank the passionate and loyal Bruins fans, who shared the ups and downs of each season over the past 14 years. I?m proud that we were able to return the Stanley Cup to Boston and celebrating with all of you, in Boston, New England, and around the world, was a moment I will never forget. You all have treated my family and me as one of your own and I will always be grateful. Thank you. 

I would also like to thank all of the Bruins staff. The trainers, equipment staff, medical staff (all doctors, dentists and therapists), PR and hockey operations, the front office staff, arena staff, security and everyone who helped make the past 14 years so memorable. While there are too many names to mention, please know how sincerely grateful I am to each of you.

I want to thank the Jacobs family for the opportunity to represent the Bruins as their Captain. I am grateful and proud of everything we accomplished.

To all of my teammates throughout the years in Boston, I am so lucky to have a lifetime of memories that I will never forget. From the highest highs to the lowest lows, we were always a team, we were always there for each other and those bonds and friendships will never be forgotten.

My family and I will always cherish the strong friendships and connections we made here. From the beginning in 2006, we have been embraced by this community and made to feel welcome. We will always be grateful for the opportunity to contribute to the community and for the people who always supported me and my family.

As I begin this next chapter, I want the people of Boston to know how proud I was to be a Bruin and how grateful I am for all of the support over the years. ?Thank you? does not seem adequate to express my sincere gratitude. I will always be a Bruin. I will always love Boston.

Thank you.

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http://twitter.com/Capitals/status/1344387723847729158?s=19 (http://twitter.com/Capitals/status/1344387723847729158?s=19)
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 30, 2020, 05:15:17 PM
Quote from: L K on December 30, 2020, 04:54:32 PM
Zdeno Chara to Washington?  Interesting.
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 30, 2020, 05:04:50 PM
what lmao
To play goalie
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: WAYNEINIONA on December 30, 2020, 05:41:19 PM

OV's bodyguard.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 30, 2020, 09:14:42 PM
https://twitter.com/stapeathletic/status/1344430860108328960
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 31, 2020, 01:33:03 PM
https://twitter.com/pierrevlebrun/status/1344691581614436352
Does Montreal have enough asset ammo (package of Kotkaniemi +)
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on December 31, 2020, 02:25:06 PM
Quote from: herman on December 31, 2020, 01:33:03 PM
https://twitter.com/pierrevlebrun/status/1344691581614436352
Does Montreal have enough asset ammo (package of Kotkaniemi +)
Columbus is probably low balling him because he has no rights. I'm betting he's looking at Domi money and saying, I'm better then him.
He won't come cheap if someone wants to trade for him.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 31, 2020, 04:08:06 PM
https://twitter.com/Aportzline/status/1344736628695310338

Well so much for that.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 31, 2020, 06:32:33 PM
Booooo, but also $5M AAV very short bridge is pretty spicy
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 31, 2020, 06:52:04 PM
Montreal would have been a really interesting offer sheet possibility here. 1C that they've always needed, French Canadian guy, they've shown the willingness to use offer sheets recently (even if it was a lame attempt). Real shame they used all their cap space.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 31, 2020, 08:25:24 PM
https://twitter.com/WGR550/status/1344648925198884865

Pretty amazing.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 31, 2020, 08:35:31 PM
That?s a crazy stat. I wonder how long it will keep going.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 31, 2020, 08:50:50 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on December 31, 2020, 08:35:31 PM
That?s a crazy stat. I wonder how long it will keep going.
He's the Kevin Bacon of hockey.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 01, 2021, 03:51:24 AM
Chris Johnston shaved and I 100% don't recognize him:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/insiders/chris-johnston/
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Highlander on January 01, 2021, 01:40:23 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on December 31, 2020, 08:50:50 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on December 31, 2020, 08:35:31 PM
That?s a crazy stat. I wonder how long it will keep going.
He's the Kevin Bacon of hockey.
Funny! I am 3 degrees away
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 03, 2021, 01:43:52 PM
https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1345781459257339905

List of camp invites. Hamonic is going to attend Vancouver's camp on a PTO. Seems like the same deal as Hoffman where a handshake agreement is in place.

Craig Anderson was the one that surprised me the most. Guess he's set to replace Lundqvist in Washington. They could be in for a rougher season than expected if Samsonov falters.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 03, 2021, 02:59:13 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 03, 2021, 01:43:52 PM
https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1345781459257339905

List of camp invites. Hamonic is going to attend Vancouver's camp on a PTO. Seems like the same deal as Hoffman where a handshake agreement is in place.

Craig Anderson was the one that surprised me the most. Guess he's set to replace Lundqvist in Washington. They could be in for a rougher season than expected if Samsonov falters.
They might get a good goalie on the waiver wire. Arizona is going to have to put a good goalie on it. So are the Leafs if they don't run with 3 goalies.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 03, 2021, 03:07:03 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on January 03, 2021, 02:59:13 PM
They might get a good goalie on the waiver wire. Arizona is going to have to put a good goalie on it. So are the Leafs if they don't run with 3 goalies.

They could definitely go that route instead, especially if Anderson stumbles in camp. But probably a stretch to call those candidates "good". A Samsonov and Hill/Dell tandem is still probably in the lower echelon of goalie duos in the league, especially if Samsonov isn't capable of starting a vast majority of the games.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 03, 2021, 08:07:17 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 31, 2020, 06:52:04 PM
Montreal would have been a really interesting offer sheet possibility here. 1C that they've always needed, French Canadian guy, they've shown the willingness to use offer sheets recently (even if it was a lame attempt). Real shame they used all their cap space.

https://twitter.com/aportzline/status/1345806458458398721
Il y a de l'espoir.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 04, 2021, 12:29:18 AM
https://twitter.com/mikedefabo/status/1345839611659038722
Before we go with the obvious That?s so Kapanen,
https://twitter.com/mikedefabo/status/1345844329923960834
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on January 04, 2021, 09:24:52 AM
Quote from: herman on January 04, 2021, 12:29:18 AM
https://twitter.com/mikedefabo/status/1345839611659038722
Before we go with the obvious That?s so Kapanen,
https://twitter.com/mikedefabo/status/1345844329923960834
What's the deal with the work visa? Is that really that hard to sort out?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 04, 2021, 12:19:24 PM
Kappy was supposted to start on Pittsburgh's top line with Crosby and Guentzel, but because of his issues coming over former sorta-Leaf Evan Rodrigues is holding his place there right now. Ceci is currently paired with Mike Matheson on a 3rd pairing that's bound to be all kinds of fun to watch there as well.

Speaking of fun defensive pairings, Tyson Barrie is currently paired with Kris Russell in Edmonton.

Johnsson didn't get stuck at the border and is poised to start his Devils career on their top line with Hughes and Palmieri.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 04, 2021, 01:09:19 PM
https://twitter.com/penguins/status/1346122323603169280

That's a little big...
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 04, 2021, 04:04:00 PM
Pretty sure the Marner contract did shift the salary playing field more dramatically than most people recognize
- Brayden Point - rich bridge
- Patrik Laine - rich bridge and trade request
- Matthew Tkachuk - rich bridge
- Mikko Rantanen - reasonably discounted Marner deal
- Pierre Luc-Dubois - somewhat rich bridge and trade request
- Mat Barzal - holding out on Lou, looking for $10M+ long term, or rich bridge
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on January 05, 2021, 11:18:02 AM
https://twitter.com/lukefoxjukebox/status/1346472988992884736

Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on January 05, 2021, 11:30:25 AM
Quote from: Nik on January 05, 2021, 11:18:02 AM
https://twitter.com/lukefoxjukebox/status/1346472988992884736

I get why they'd want to do this and that it's (hopefully) temporary, but it just feels wrong.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 05, 2021, 11:31:07 AM
Anyone want to sponsor my posts here? #influencer
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 05, 2021, 11:36:22 AM
As long as the Leafs crush the Scotia division I don't really care.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 05, 2021, 11:41:01 AM
https://twitter.com/SWhyno/status/1346475206097862659
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 05, 2021, 11:44:27 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 05, 2021, 11:36:22 AM
As long as the Leafs crush the Scotia division I don't really care.
Yup. Smart move by the NHL to generate revenues.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 05, 2021, 11:47:11 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 05, 2021, 11:36:22 AM
As long as the Leafs crush the Scotia division I don't really care.

It would behoove Scotiabank do to everything in their power for the team bearing their logo to win the division bearing their name in the arena that also bears their name.

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Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 05, 2021, 11:53:02 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on January 05, 2021, 11:30:25 AM
Quote from: Nik on January 05, 2021, 11:18:02 AM
https://twitter.com/lukefoxjukebox/status/1346472988992884736

I get why they'd want to do this and that it's (hopefully) temporary, but it just feels wrong.
https://twitter.com/MichaelBuie/status/1346478016180805633

Yes, Gretzky, Lemieux, Howe, and of course..... Dionne.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 05, 2021, 12:03:44 PM
Quote from: herman on January 03, 2021, 08:07:17 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 31, 2020, 06:52:04 PM
Montreal would have been a really interesting offer sheet possibility here. 1C that they've always needed, French Canadian guy, they've shown the willingness to use offer sheets recently (even if it was a lame attempt). Real shame they used all their cap space.

https://twitter.com/aportzline/status/1345806458458398721
Il y a de l'espoir.

https://twitter.com/NHL_Watcher/status/1346483486689951745
Bergevin, what are you waiting for
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 05, 2021, 12:16:22 PM
Quote from: herman on January 05, 2021, 12:03:44 PM
Quote from: herman on January 03, 2021, 08:07:17 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 31, 2020, 06:52:04 PM
Montreal would have been a really interesting offer sheet possibility here. 1C that they've always needed, French Canadian guy, they've shown the willingness to use offer sheets recently (even if it was a lame attempt). Real shame they used all their cap space.

https://twitter.com/aportzline/status/1345806458458398721
Il y a de l'espoir.

https://twitter.com/NHL_Watcher/status/1346483486689951745
Bergevin, what are you waiting for
I'd rather have Dubas trading for him!
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 05, 2021, 12:17:53 PM
Quote from: herman on January 05, 2021, 12:03:44 PM
https://twitter.com/NHL_Watcher/status/1346483486689951745

Hmmm quick scroll through Dubois' twitter likes gives my theory on why he might want to leave Columbus some credulence...
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 05, 2021, 01:20:09 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on January 05, 2021, 12:16:22 PM
I'd rather have Dubas trading for him!
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 05, 2021, 12:17:53 PM
Hmmm quick scroll through Dubois' twitter likes gives my theory on why he might want to leave Columbus some credulence...

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/31-thoughts-2020-21-nhl-season-step-unknown/
Quote4. The more I?ve learned about Dubois?s situation, the more he, his agent and the Blue Jackets deserve credit for keeping it quiet as long as they did. I couldn?t understand why Columbus was worried about an offer sheet at a time teams are strapped for cash, but one player explained it: ?We knew [Dubois] was thinking of leaving, if he could.?

Really loving that Bergevin shot his offersheet shot on the guy who was absolutely just using him, and then blew his flexibility to pull a reclamation project in Anderson instead of the guy that actually wants to be a Hab who also happens to be a coveted large 1C. 

Montreal absolutely has the draft capital to make a strong push next season (or even at the deadline) if they can clear roster and cap space.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 05, 2021, 01:21:55 PM
https://twitter.com/nosalaryretaind/status/1346505970944516096
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 05, 2021, 01:28:26 PM
Lou either really loves Matt Martin, or hates his long hair look and will do anything he can to ensure he keeps it trim.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 05, 2021, 01:28:47 PM
Friedman's 31 Thoughts also mentions that the Bruins have interest in LHD Ben Hutton. Really wonder what's taking so long to get that done in that case. Hutton isn't a star or anything, but with Krug and Chara gone Boston's left side defence is: Grzelcyk, Moore, and Lauzon. They can't possibly go into the season with that, can they?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on January 06, 2021, 12:20:08 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on January 05, 2021, 11:53:02 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on January 05, 2021, 11:30:25 AM
Quote from: Nik on January 05, 2021, 11:18:02 AM
https://twitter.com/lukefoxjukebox/status/1346472988992884736

I get why they'd want to do this and that it's (hopefully) temporary, but it just feels wrong.
https://twitter.com/MichaelBuie/status/1346478016180805633

Yes, Gretzky, Lemieux, Howe, and of course..... Dionne.
To be fair Dionne seems like a really underrated player. You never hear about him but he's 6th in pts and 5th in points per game.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on January 06, 2021, 12:20:41 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 05, 2021, 01:28:47 PM
Friedman's 31 Thoughts also mentions that the Bruins have interest in LHD Ben Hutton. Really wonder what's taking so long to get that done in that case. Hutton isn't a star or anything, but with Krug and Chara gone Boston's left side defence is: Grzelcyk, Moore, and Lauzon. They can't possibly go into the season with that, can they?
That's almost Leafian in how bad that is.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 06, 2021, 02:03:45 AM


Quote from: Bender on January 06, 2021, 12:20:08 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on January 05, 2021, 11:53:02 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on January 05, 2021, 11:30:25 AM
Quote from: Nik on January 05, 2021, 11:18:02 AM
https://twitter.com/lukefoxjukebox/status/1346472988992884736

I get why they'd want to do this and that it's (hopefully) temporary, but it just feels wrong.
https://twitter.com/MichaelBuie/status/1346478016180805633

Yes, Gretzky, Lemieux, Howe, and of course..... Dionne.

To be fair Dionne seems like a really underrated player. You never hear about him but he's 6th in pts and 5th in points per game.

Oh, I don't disagree at all, and Dionne is quite likely the best player ever without a Cup. He really is an all-time great.

But each of Gretzky, Lemieux, and Howe have had lengthy stretches where they were considered the best (or co-best) player in the world, if not the best player ever. If you need a 4th player to match both that lofty status in hockey history and the name recognition that goes along with it, it pretty much has to be Bobby Orr.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 06, 2021, 09:45:43 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on January 06, 2021, 02:03:45 AM
Oh, I don't disagree at all, and Dionne is quite likely the best player ever without a Cup. He really is an all-time great.

But each of Gretzky, Lemieux, and Howe have had lengthy stretches where they were considered the best (or co-best) player in the world, if not the best player ever. If you need a 4th player to match both that lofty status in hockey history and the name recognition that goes along with it, it pretty much has to be Bobby Orr.

I'm assuming the intention was to have each player represent a certain division, and Dionne would do the West because of his time with the Kings.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 06, 2021, 09:50:40 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 06, 2021, 09:45:43 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on January 06, 2021, 02:03:45 AM
Oh, I don't disagree at all, and Dionne is quite likely the best player ever without a Cup. He really is an all-time great.

But each of Gretzky, Lemieux, and Howe have had lengthy stretches where they were considered the best (or co-best) player in the world, if not the best player ever. If you need a 4th player to match both that lofty status in hockey history and the name recognition that goes along with it, it pretty much has to be Bobby Orr.

I'm assuming the intention was to have each player represent a certain division, and Dionne would do the West because of his time with the Kings.
Ah, good point, I hadn't thought of it that way.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Groundskeeper Willie on January 06, 2021, 10:39:48 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on January 06, 2021, 09:50:40 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 06, 2021, 09:45:43 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on January 06, 2021, 02:03:45 AM
Oh, I don't disagree at all, and Dionne is quite likely the best player ever without a Cup. He really is an all-time great.

But each of Gretzky, Lemieux, and Howe have had lengthy stretches where they were considered the best (or co-best) player in the world, if not the best player ever. If you need a 4th player to match both that lofty status in hockey history and the name recognition that goes along with it, it pretty much has to be Bobby Orr.

I'm assuming the intention was to have each player represent a certain division, and Dionne would do the West because of his time with the Kings.
Ah, good point, I hadn't thought of it that way.
Wouldn't it be better in that case to have Gretzky for the west and somebody like Rocket Richard for the north? Dionne was great but is never among those listed as possible best ever players.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 06, 2021, 10:55:14 AM
Quote from: Crake on January 06, 2021, 10:39:48 AM
Wouldn't it be better in that case to have Gretzky for the west and somebody like Rocket Richard for the north? Dionne was great but is never among those listed as possible best ever players.

I think there would be a lot of people up in arms about Gretzky not representing the North though. And I don't think there would be anywhere near the same amount of grumbling if Dionne represented the West for a whole 56 games (especially after the NHL's quick history lesson on what he meant to the Kings) so it just wouldn't seem worth it.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 06, 2021, 11:11:12 AM
https://twitter.com/TheFourthPeriod/status/1346835948282195969
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 06, 2021, 12:32:46 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 06, 2021, 11:11:12 AM
https://twitter.com/TheFourthPeriod/status/1346835948282195969
Did they get 25% pre-covid?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on January 06, 2021, 12:38:02 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on January 06, 2021, 12:32:46 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 06, 2021, 11:11:12 AM
https://twitter.com/TheFourthPeriod/status/1346835948282195969
Did they get 25% pre-covid?

I think it's pretty darn close. I think they have capacity just over 19000.  I've been to that arena twice to see the Leafs and there weren't more than 5-6K there with 80+% of the fans being Leafs fans.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on January 06, 2021, 02:10:57 PM
Rask clearing up that when he left the bubble it was after getting a call that his daughter was sick and had to be rushed to hospital.  Confirming that the people trashing on him are in fact awful people.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 06, 2021, 02:19:12 PM
Quote from: L K on January 06, 2021, 02:10:57 PM
Rask clearing up that when he left the bubble it was after getting a call that his daughter was sick and had to be rushed to hospital.  Confirming that the people trashing on him are in fact awful people.
It's still going on? He cleared that up months ago.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 06, 2021, 07:22:57 PM
https://twitter.com/jimmathesonnhl/status/1346923595172253697
https://twitter.com/jimmathesonnhl/status/1346957683291688962

I needed something silly to be angry about today, so thank you Jim.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on January 07, 2021, 12:05:34 AM
That's hilariously stupid.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 07, 2021, 12:52:38 AM
https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/1347030260001419265

???
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 07, 2021, 03:11:51 PM
https://twitter.com/NJDevils/status/1347257954974760961

Connor Carrick was a week away from being a top-6 defender.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 08, 2021, 01:40:48 PM
https://twitter.com/BlueJacketsPR/status/1347573749709742080
Wasn't sure which thread to post this in: NHL, Coronavirus, or The Donald.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on January 08, 2021, 02:16:56 PM
And Dallas have pushed their first 3 game back due to positive tests.

https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1347602246117302272
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on January 09, 2021, 12:21:02 PM

Barzal signs at 3x7 according to Friedman.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on January 09, 2021, 12:54:58 PM
Quote from: Nik on January 09, 2021, 12:21:02 PM

Barzal signs at 3x7 according to Friedman.

That's a nice deal for the Isles.  He's still an RFA at the maturity of this deal.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on January 09, 2021, 01:59:02 PM
Quote from: Frank E on January 09, 2021, 12:54:58 PM
Quote from: Nik on January 09, 2021, 12:21:02 PM

Barzal signs at 3x7 according to Friedman.

That's a nice deal for the Isles.  He's still an RFA at the maturity of this deal.

Not really though. Because they have to qualify him Barzal could just take his qualifying offer when this deal is up(which would be 8.4 million), play for a year and walk. So NYI would have effectively no leverage in negotiating with him that summer. In fact, they'd probably have to come up with something pretty sweet to get him to not do that.

Sure, having Barzal for four years at 7,7,7,8.4 isn't the worst thing in the world but they are giving him a lot of power for his next deal.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 09, 2021, 02:22:03 PM
Quote from: herman on January 04, 2021, 04:04:00 PM
Pretty sure the Marner contract did shift the salary playing field more dramatically than most people recognize
- Brayden Point - rich bridge
- Patrik Laine - rich bridge and trade request
- Matthew Tkachuk - rich bridge
- Mikko Rantanen - reasonably discounted Marner deal
- Pierre Luc-Dubois - somewhat rich bridge and trade request
- Mat Barzal - holding out on Lou, looking for $10M+ long term, or rich bridge

Matt Martin will still be there for Barzal?s next contract if there is one
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 09, 2021, 02:40:11 PM
Quote from: Nik on January 09, 2021, 01:59:02 PM
Quote from: Frank E on January 09, 2021, 12:54:58 PM
Quote from: Nik on January 09, 2021, 12:21:02 PM

Barzal signs at 3x7 according to Friedman.

That's a nice deal for the Isles.  He's still an RFA at the maturity of this deal.

Not really though. Because they have to qualify him Barzal could just take his qualifying offer when this deal is up(which would be 8.4 million), play for a year and walk. So NYI would have effectively no leverage in negotiating with him that summer. In fact, they'd probably have to come up with something pretty sweet to get him to not do that.

Sure, having Barzal for four years at 7,7,7,8.4 isn't the worst thing in the world but they are giving him a lot of power for his next deal.

https://twitter.com/darrendreger/status/1347940750173081600
This punches up the QO right
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 09, 2021, 09:40:59 PM
For your amusement:

https://twitter.com/nhlsuzuki/status/1348074862544375809
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on January 09, 2021, 11:21:08 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on January 09, 2021, 09:40:59 PM
For your amusement:

https://twitter.com/nhlsuzuki/status/1348074862544375809
Lol this is so bad.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on January 09, 2021, 11:42:52 PM
Two Gallaghers? Preposterous.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 10, 2021, 01:15:36 AM


Quote from: Bender on January 09, 2021, 11:21:08 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on January 09, 2021, 09:40:59 PM
For your amusement:

https://twitter.com/nhlsuzuki/status/1348074862544375809
Lol this is so bad.


Yes, that's right, half of the best players on Canadian teams play for Montreal, including both Gallaghers. And also Joel Edmunson is better than Giordano and Rielly.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 10, 2021, 11:50:30 AM
I mean I'm not sure what you expect from a troll account.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 10, 2021, 10:37:12 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 10, 2021, 11:50:30 AM
I mean I'm not sure what you expect from a troll account.
Oh, I got duped...
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 11, 2021, 11:30:30 AM
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1348651722961416193
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on January 11, 2021, 01:02:09 PM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1348667170717376524


https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1348668243137986561


Thr NHL is so stupid sometimes.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 11, 2021, 01:22:09 PM
https://twitter.com/PuckPedia/status/1348680653743640583

That's a lot of names.

Also I guess Gauthier officially signed with Arizona then.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: WAYNEINIONA on January 11, 2021, 04:31:31 PM

Montreal put Perry on waivers. I thought that was supposed to be another brilliant acquisition by the Habs.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 11, 2021, 04:48:30 PM
Quote from: WAYNEINIONA on January 11, 2021, 04:31:31 PM

Montreal put Perry on waivers. I thought that was supposed to be another brilliant acquisition by the Habs.

If he slides through it will be because they can yo yo him and save cap space.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on January 11, 2021, 05:05:40 PM

Yeah, if anyone was hot to claim him he wouldn't have signed for 750k in the first place.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on January 11, 2021, 08:52:13 PM
That's a lot of money...

https://twitter.com/KKurzNHL/status/1348792093217492994?s=19
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: . on January 11, 2021, 09:52:14 PM
Heh, I remember a pic a long time ago of him flashing cash like a gangster in vegas or somewhere like that, and thinking, yeah, he'll manage his money well.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on January 11, 2021, 11:30:04 PM
Quote from: Frycer14 on January 11, 2021, 09:52:14 PM
Heh, I remember a pic a long time ago of him flashing cash like a gangster in vegas or somewhere like that, and thinking, yeah, he'll manage his money well.
Wasn't Simmonds in that photo?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on January 12, 2021, 08:01:08 AM
Quote from: Nik on January 11, 2021, 05:05:40 PM

Yeah, if anyone was hot to claim him he wouldn't have signed for 750k in the first place.

The only reason I could see him picked up was if he had turned down larger offers earlier in free agency and those teams circle back. But I doubt he doesn't clear.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 12, 2021, 04:36:51 PM
https://twitter.com/SaadYousuf126/status/1349092722678915074
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 12, 2021, 05:15:58 PM
https://twitter.com/Peter_Baugh/status/1349098440605782022

I also 100% assumed they would be playing ON the actual lake itself before I saw the mock up photos.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on January 12, 2021, 05:21:32 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 12, 2021, 05:15:58 PM
https://twitter.com/Peter_Baugh/status/1349098440605782022

I also 100% assumed they would be playing ON the actual lake itself before I saw the mock up photos.

I would think for safety purposes, the lake is out of the question. Even with a solid sheet of ice on a lake, there is constant pressure, and cracking. You have to be really aware of where you're stepping. Skating backwards is extremely trecherous.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 12, 2021, 05:26:29 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on January 12, 2021, 05:21:32 PM
I would think for safety purposes, the lake is out of the question. Even with a solid sheet of ice on a lake, there is constant pressure, and cracking. You have to be really aware of where you're stepping. Skating backwards is extremely trecherous.

I thought they would be building the rink with their own ice on the lake, not actually playing on the lake's ice surface. But that was also without really know things like how deep Lake Tahoe is/how much it freezes/if it could withstand the weight of everything.

In hindsight yes it was an incredibly silly thought but like Bellemare it was quite the disappointment to come to that realization.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on January 12, 2021, 05:28:58 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 12, 2021, 05:26:29 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on January 12, 2021, 05:21:32 PM
I would think for safety purposes, the lake is out of the question. Even with a solid sheet of ice on a lake, there is constant pressure, and cracking. You have to be really aware of where you're stepping. Skating backwards is extremely trecherous.

I thought they would be building the rink with their own ice on the lake, not actually playing on the lake's ice surface. But that was also without really know things like how deep Lake Tahoe is/how much it freezes/if it could withstand the weight of everything.

In hindsight yes it was an incredibly silly thought but like Bellemare it was quite the disappointment to come to that realization.

Yeah, playing on the actual lake would be pretty awesome.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 12, 2021, 08:23:53 PM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1349146282053533696
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 13, 2021, 11:02:46 AM
https://twitter.com/NHL_Watcher/status/1349130885698879488

Yandle scored 45 points in 69 games last season! He's getting a little older sure, but he's still seems like a pretty good offensive defenceman. And the Panthers are poised to scratch him over... Ryan Stillman and Gustav Forsling? What a bizarre situation.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 13, 2021, 11:10:40 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 13, 2021, 11:02:46 AM
Yandle scored 45 points in 69 games last season! He's getting a little older sure, but he's still seems like a pretty good offensive defenceman. And the Panthers are poised to scratch him over... Ryan Stillman and Gustav Forsling? What a bizarre situation.

He's a sheltered PP specialist at this point, isn't he?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on January 13, 2021, 11:18:44 AM
So Mike Hoffman's contract with the Blues in 1 year/4 million.

That's pretty insane for a guy coming off 36G/70P and 29G/59P seasons.   Last year his /82G pace was 40G/66P
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on January 13, 2021, 02:20:42 PM
Quote from: L K on January 13, 2021, 11:18:44 AM
So Mike Hoffman's contract with the Blues in 1 year/4 million.

That's pretty insane for a guy coming off 36G/70P and 29G/59P seasons.   Last year his /82G pace was 40G/66P

Do we think this all off ice/character issues?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 13, 2021, 04:01:00 PM
The Pierre-Luc Dubois train out of Columbus is getting fired up for reals
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on January 13, 2021, 04:20:16 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on January 13, 2021, 02:20:42 PM
Quote from: L K on January 13, 2021, 11:18:44 AM
So Mike Hoffman's contract with the Blues in 1 year/4 million.

That's pretty insane for a guy coming off 36G/70P and 29G/59P seasons.   Last year his /82G pace was 40G/66P

Do we think this all off ice/character issues?

I'd say partly, but I think it's mostly about the precarious financial state and cap issues across the league. Teams just weren't as aggressive in free agency this off season. I think a big part of what happened with Hoffman is that the better options in his position took a while to sign, and then, there just wasn't much space available for teams with the need for a guy like him.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 13, 2021, 04:32:54 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1349452265514545152

This is definitely an idea.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 13, 2021, 04:52:28 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 13, 2021, 04:32:54 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1349452265514545152

This is definitely an idea.
Until one gets hurt and then it's not good. You could have your 5th D man playing 25+ minutes.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on January 14, 2021, 09:23:04 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 13, 2021, 04:32:54 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1349452265514545152

This is definitely an idea.

Unless Justin Holl is your number 4...then you're screwed :)
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on January 15, 2021, 11:16:03 AM
So Vegas did their 5 defensemen.  They won 5-2 against a not-very good Anaheim team.

Theodore played the least ice time at 22:05.

They had a forward Keegan Kolesar play 4:36.   He managed to put up a -2 in those minutes.

I'm not sure I understand having 13 forwards over 6 defensemen even when you have a really strong group of players. 
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 15, 2021, 11:21:24 AM
Quote from: L K on January 15, 2021, 11:16:03 AM
So Vegas did their 5 defensemen.  They won 5-2 against a not-very good Anaheim team.

Theodore played the least ice time at 22:05.

They had a forward Keegan Kolesar play 4:36.   He managed to put up a -2 in those minutes.

I'm not sure I understand having 13 forwards over 6 defensemen even when you have a really strong group of players. 

Yeah, that's the thing. Even if you want to play your big defenders the top minutes you're way better off having that 6th defenceman in the line-up to ride the bench than a 13th forward who doesn't even seem that good. What the heck are they going to do when one of them gets injured or booted in a game?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on January 15, 2021, 11:49:12 AM
Quote from: L K on January 15, 2021, 11:16:03 AM
So Vegas did their 5 defensemen.  They won 5-2 against a not-very good Anaheim team.

Theodore played the least ice time at 22:05.

They had a forward Keegan Kolesar play 4:36.   He managed to put up a -2 in those minutes.

I'm not sure I understand having 13 forwards over 6 defensemen even when you have a really strong group of players.

I've always found that operating a bench is easier with an odd number of Defense than operating a bench with a uneven amount of forwards.
That being said, if I had the choice between 6 D and 5 D, I'd go with 6 D
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 15, 2021, 06:08:50 PM
https://twitter.com/JasonGregor/status/1350193442354208768
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 15, 2021, 06:09:28 PM
https://twitter.com/JasonGregor/status/1350193442354208768

So the Oilers are in a bit of a pickle. They signed goalie Anton Forsberg to be their #3 goalie this offseason behind Koskinen and Smith. Instead of keeping Forsberg on their main roster like the Leafs did with Dell they waived him at the end of camp and he was claimed by Carolina (Carolina re-waived him yesterday and he was plucked up by Winnipeg before Edmonton could grab him again). Unlike the Leafs though, it wouldn't have really been a big deal for the Oilers to keep Forsberg on their roster. They currently have 13 forward and 8 defenceman up, so there was roster and cap space available.

Now Smith is "unfit to play" and is expected to miss multiple weeks so the Oilers are turning to 22-year old Stuart Skinner to be their back-up. Skinner had a 0.892 Sv% in 41 games in the AHL last season.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on January 15, 2021, 06:26:41 PM
So what you're saying, if I'm understanding correctly, is the Leafs might have an asterisk beside "Stanley Cup Champions"
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on January 16, 2021, 08:46:01 AM
Well, the Avalanche certainly answered back.  :o
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 18, 2021, 03:08:08 PM
https://twitter.com/PensInsideScoop/status/1351217459634823168

Kapanen is finally read to play his first game with the Pens. Crazy that he started his immigration process in October and it still took this long.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 19, 2021, 06:09:27 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1351652570763300869
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on January 19, 2021, 06:59:24 PM

Man this worldwide pandemic is really starting to interfere with my hockey pool.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on January 20, 2021, 02:15:13 PM
Carolina going to have games postponed through Saturday.  That's only two games against the Panthers that get postponed.
Dallas has yet to play a game.

Good start to the COVID-19 season.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 20, 2021, 07:32:37 PM
https://twitter.com/pr_nhl/status/1352033620236632066
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1352044892109877249
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on January 20, 2021, 08:47:43 PM
I do understand the concept of limiting exposures but this aspect of it is just silly wi Dow dressing.  These guys sit directly beside each other breathing and spitting all over each other and that?s is fair game but we are concerned about them interacting with each other off the ice.   There just isn?t sound logic behind this.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 20, 2021, 08:57:00 PM
Quote from: L K on January 20, 2021, 08:47:43 PM
I do understand the concept of limiting exposures but this aspect of it is just silly wi Dow dressing.  These guys sit directly beside each other breathing and spitting all over each other and that?s is fair game but we are concerned about them interacting with each other off the ice.   There just isn?t sound logic behind this.
You forget that certain rules had to be put in place just so the gov't would let them play. Doesn't matter if you think there's no logic, these guys were outside designated areas and they're not allowed to. Seems pretty simple to me. Follow the guidelines.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Peter D. on January 20, 2021, 09:48:37 PM
This stuff is just getting stupid now.  But hey, the league has to make up some revenue somehow.  Easy $100K for them.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 21, 2021, 04:02:17 PM
https://twitter.com/SamanthaJPell/status/1352342966157893635

So I feel like this kind of explains some things, namely 1) how the league found out these players had a hang-out sesh, and 2) why they decided to come down so hard on them. It probably would have made more sense for the league to announce this first.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on January 21, 2021, 08:52:11 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 21, 2021, 04:02:17 PM
https://twitter.com/SamanthaJPell/status/1352342966157893635

So I feel like this kind of explains some things, namely 1) how the league found out these players had a hang-out sesh, and 2) why they decided to come down so hard on them. It probably would have made more sense for the league to announce this first.
And yet again the blithering complaining of someone who thinks they should be exempt falls flat on its face.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 22, 2021, 02:03:32 AM
https://twitter.com/aportzline/status/1352445189995065344
Pump and dump
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on January 22, 2021, 09:50:41 AM
I'm concerned that the Habs keep winning games.  I want them to lose games.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2021, 09:57:08 AM
Quote from: Zee on January 22, 2021, 09:50:41 AM
I'm concerned that the Habs keep winning games.  I want them to lose games.

I hate to break this to you, but Montreal's a safe bet to finish top-2 in the division. They've got a pretty good team there.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2021, 10:03:02 AM
https://twitter.com/1stOhioBattery/status/1352453206689898497

Yikes. I've seen a few comments about Dubois looking like he's completely checked out.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on January 22, 2021, 10:09:03 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2021, 09:57:08 AM
Quote from: Zee on January 22, 2021, 09:50:41 AM
I'm concerned that the Habs keep winning games.  I want them to lose games.

I hate to break this to you, but Montreal's a safe bet to finish top-2 in the division. They've got a pretty good team there.

We are no longer friends.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 22, 2021, 10:39:35 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2021, 10:03:02 AM
Yikes. I've seen a few comments about Dubois looking like he's completely checked out.

The benching was justified on the face of it. But he's been playing well for them leading up to this game, so...
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2021, 10:42:48 AM
Quote from: herman on January 22, 2021, 10:39:35 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2021, 10:03:02 AM
Yikes. I've seen a few comments about Dubois looking like he's completely checked out.

The benching was justified on the face of it. But he's been playing well for them leading up to this game, so...

Has he been playing well? 1 goal in 5 games, and that came in a game that saw him get semi-benched for a long stretch of time before scoring. And this isn't the first time observers have called him out for floating.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on January 22, 2021, 10:50:00 AM
If he isn't traded soon, the Dubois situation is really going to get ugly.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 22, 2021, 10:52:02 AM
I haven't seen enough game tape; his stat lines for the 4 games prior isn't particularly weird and shot share seemed to be still going his way on the ice.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 22, 2021, 11:19:34 AM
Quote from: Zee on January 22, 2021, 09:50:41 AM
I'm concerned that the Habs keep winning games.  I want them to lose games.
Habs are averaging almost 5 goals a game. Don't think that's sustainable.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on January 22, 2021, 12:00:03 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on January 22, 2021, 11:19:34 AM
Quote from: Zee on January 22, 2021, 09:50:41 AM
I'm concerned that the Habs keep winning games.  I want them to lose games.
Habs are averaging almost 5 goals a game. Don't think that's sustainable.
See this is what I want to hear. You are an awesome guy!
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on January 22, 2021, 01:39:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8AX-dRh-jE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8AX-dRh-jE)

Myers with a high hit on Armia at the end of a game Vancouver was out of.  Armia is out with a concussion and it looks like no supplemental discipline for Myers.

Even if the first point of contact isn't his head he drives the shoulder up thorugh the hit.

DOPS is useless.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 22, 2021, 01:56:48 PM
Quote from: L K on January 22, 2021, 01:39:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8AX-dRh-jE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8AX-dRh-jE)

Myers with a high hit on Armia at the end of a game Vancouver was out of.  Armia is out with a concussion and it looks like no supplemental discipline for Myers.

Even if the first point of contact isn't his head he drives the shoulder up thorugh the hit.

DOPS is useless.
Disagree...that's a good hit. Head not targeted, chest was.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on January 22, 2021, 02:19:04 PM
By "good", you may mean legal.

I would argue it's not a good hit though. There's a high risk of injury on a hit like that and I think it should be against the rules.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on January 22, 2021, 02:20:15 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on January 22, 2021, 02:19:04 PM
By "good", you may mean legal.

I would argue it's not a good hit though. There's a high risk of injury on a hit like that and I think it should be against the rules.

That's where my take is on it.  It's a predatory hit.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on January 22, 2021, 02:22:06 PM
I wish they would scrap the shootout and OTL point this season. Too much at stake at all times to be giving points away.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 22, 2021, 02:26:47 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on January 22, 2021, 02:19:04 PM
By "good", you may mean legal.

I would argue it's not a good hit though. There's a high risk of injury on a hit like that and I think it should be against the rules.
Yup, it's a legal hit and not against the rules. Nothing wrong with it.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 22, 2021, 03:57:07 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on January 22, 2021, 01:56:48 PM
Quote from: L K on January 22, 2021, 01:39:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8AX-dRh-jE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8AX-dRh-jE)

Myers with a high hit on Armia at the end of a game Vancouver was out of.  Armia is out with a concussion and it looks like no supplemental discipline for Myers.

Even if the first point of contact isn't his head he drives the shoulder up thorugh the hit.

DOPS is useless.
Disagree...that's a good hit. Head not targeted, chest was.

If you aren't trying to drive into a pedestrian but still happen to hit that person for some reason, it's no biggie? You can't measure intent, but you can measure results. The first point of contact stipulation is pretty stupid as far as health and safety of players goes. A high stick that clips a face after glancing off an arm is still a high stick.

Also, legal doesn't necessarily mean good and right.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 22, 2021, 04:51:10 PM
Quote from: herman on January 22, 2021, 03:57:07 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on January 22, 2021, 01:56:48 PM
Quote from: L K on January 22, 2021, 01:39:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8AX-dRh-jE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8AX-dRh-jE)

Myers with a high hit on Armia at the end of a game Vancouver was out of.  Armia is out with a concussion and it looks like no supplemental discipline for Myers.

Even if the first point of contact isn't his head he drives the shoulder up thorugh the hit.

DOPS is useless.
Disagree...that's a good hit. Head not targeted, chest was.

If you aren't trying to drive into a pedestrian but still happen to hit that person for some reason, it's no biggie? You can't measure intent, but you can measure results. The first point of contact stipulation is pretty stupid as far as health and safety of players goes. A high stick that clips a face after glancing off an arm is still a high stick.

Also, legal doesn't necessarily mean good and right.
I didn't make the rules and it wasn't against them so it was a good hit IMO and the NHL's also. You don't agree and that's ok.
Your reference to hitting a pedestrian, ridiculous. What was I trying to hit with my vehicle when I  accidentally nailed a pedestrian? Myers was intending to hit Armia after all.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 22, 2021, 05:50:06 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on January 22, 2021, 04:51:10 PM
Your reference to hitting a pedestrian, ridiculous. What was I trying to hit with my vehicle when I  accidentally nailed a pedestrian? Myers was intending to hit Armia after all.

Hitting Armia = driving
Hitting Armia's head (accidentally or otherwise) = hitting a pedestrian in the course of doing something legal

The point is, consequences don't care what your intentions are. Armia is concussed and basically NHL/DoPS shrugged when they could have created and enforced a safer workplace.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 22, 2021, 06:32:12 PM
https://twitter.com/bluejacketsnhl/status/1352699464218243074
You bet I counted the blinks for Morse code
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Liljegrenius on January 22, 2021, 07:19:29 PM
Quote from: herman on January 22, 2021, 06:32:12 PM
https://twitter.com/bluejacketsnhl/status/1352699464218243074
You bet I counted the blinks for Morse code

That was pain full to watch
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 22, 2021, 08:59:50 PM
https://twitter.com/aportzline/status/1352780472275898368
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2021, 11:07:33 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1352814459706863616

Friedman says Winnipeg is offering Laine and Roslovic.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 22, 2021, 11:19:31 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2021, 11:07:33 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1352814459706863616

Friedman says Winnipeg is offering Laine and Roslovic.
I don't see WPG going for that. Bobby Mac says it's one for one..Laine for PLD.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2021, 11:23:35 PM
https://twitter.com/SabresPlays/status/1352791395124334592

Chara's no-penalty clause has transferred with him to Washington. Buffalo scored as this was happening so I guess that evens it up.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on January 22, 2021, 11:32:30 PM

I was just coming here to post that. Sometimes I don't even know what this sport is.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 22, 2021, 11:53:47 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on January 22, 2021, 11:19:31 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2021, 11:07:33 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1352814459706863616

Friedman says Winnipeg is offering Laine and Roslovic.
I don't see WPG going for that. Bobby Mac says it's one for one..Laine for PLD.
It's gotta be pretty rare for guys who were drafted back-to-back to be traded for one another. The only other instance I can think of offhand was Berard for Redden, though there are surely others.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 23, 2021, 12:46:00 AM
https://twitter.com/UpperWildSide/status/1352458283932643329
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 23, 2021, 12:52:13 AM
https://twitter.com/spittinchiclets/status/1352735147913867265

Really amazing details in Carey Price's mask.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 23, 2021, 05:44:40 PM
https://twitter.com/aelank/status/1353073853438717953
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 23, 2021, 06:06:26 PM
Quote from: herman on January 23, 2021, 05:44:40 PM
https://twitter.com/aelank/status/1353073853438717953
Lol, I was just about to post that.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 23, 2021, 07:12:20 PM
Somebody somewhere needs to get a Rangers jersey with name NYRFan92360244 on the back.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on January 24, 2021, 08:41:14 AM
Quote from: herman on January 23, 2021, 05:44:40 PM
https://twitter.com/aelank/status/1353073853438717953
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/is-tony-de-angelo-roasting-fans-on-twitter-with-a-burner-account-035955667.html (https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/is-tony-de-angelo-roasting-fans-on-twitter-with-a-burner-account-035955667.html)

It makes me sad for humanity that this is a thing
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 24, 2021, 11:49:41 PM
https://twitter.com/KPapetti/status/1353519044138307584
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 25, 2021, 10:15:42 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on January 24, 2021, 11:49:41 PM
https://twitter.com/KPapetti/status/1353519044138307584
FAKE NEWS lol
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 26, 2021, 08:09:25 PM
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1354214854660382722

Uh, wow!
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on January 27, 2021, 12:41:19 AM
Are the Oilers just low key trash?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 27, 2021, 12:44:09 AM
Quote from: Bender on January 27, 2021, 12:41:19 AM
Are the Oilers just low key trash?
Oilers can't play D.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 27, 2021, 01:29:16 AM
https://twitter.com/KPapetti/status/1354298716270821377
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Britishbulldog on January 27, 2021, 01:35:26 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on January 27, 2021, 01:29:16 AM
https://twitter.com/KPapetti/status/1354298716270821377

;D

Love it!!
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on January 27, 2021, 01:49:16 AM
Tortorella acknowledges feud with Dubois: 'Goddamn right we've had conflict'
https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2100645

Honestly he just sounds like a Mike Keenan type jackass. Yelling and screaming and getting into guys faces wouldn't fly in any workplace, why should a coach be doing that? Dude comes off as a guy who belongs in a museum.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 27, 2021, 01:31:07 PM
https://twitter.com/JesseGranger_/status/1354479665293914114

This article is about how Vegas' GM Kelly McCrimmon had to step into the head coach role for their game last night because their entire coaching staff had to self-isolate due to Covid protocols.

And the header image they used for it is McCrimmon breaking protocol by not wearing his mask properly behind the bench. Amazing stuff.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on January 27, 2021, 01:53:28 PM
Quote from: Bender on January 27, 2021, 01:49:16 AM
Tortorella acknowledges feud with Dubois: 'Goddamn right we've had conflict'
https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2100645

Honestly he just sounds like a Mike Keenan type jackass. Yelling and screaming and getting into guys faces wouldn't fly in any workplace, why should a coach be doing that? Dude comes off as a guy who belongs in a museum.

That thought about Tortorella isn't a new one. He's one guy that I'm shocked accusations of abuse didn't come out about over the last 24 months.
I'm willing to give Dubois the benefit of the doubt here, but the whole situation doesn't smell right.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on January 27, 2021, 03:52:10 PM
No supplemental discipline for Stone taking Bozak out of the game last night.  I think the thing that knocked him out of the game was his head hitting the ice but apparently taking a guy out away from the play is also acceptable behaviour. 

DOPS continues to do absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on January 28, 2021, 08:44:04 AM
So, the sens are off to a terrible start, and they got blown out again last night by Vancouver.

habs are looking pretty strong though.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on January 28, 2021, 09:11:22 AM
Quote from: Frank E on January 28, 2021, 08:44:04 AM
So, the sens are off to a terrible start, and they got blown out again last night by Vancouver.

habs are looking pretty strong though.

Yeah. Other than an adrenaline fueled win on their opening night, they've been pretty terrible.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on January 28, 2021, 09:44:53 AM
Quote from: Frank E on January 28, 2021, 08:44:04 AM
So, the sens are off to a terrible start, and they got blown out again last night by Vancouver.

habs are looking pretty strong though.

I'm hoping Calgary is feeling ornery from losing 2 straight to the Leafs and takes it to the Habs tonight.  You know, I'd like to get first place all alone.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 28, 2021, 10:23:58 AM
Quote from: Zee on January 28, 2021, 09:44:53 AM
Quote from: Frank E on January 28, 2021, 08:44:04 AM
So, the sens are off to a terrible start, and they got blown out again last night by Vancouver.

habs are looking pretty strong though.

I'm hoping Calgary is feeling ornery from losing 2 straight to the Leafs and takes it to the Habs tonight.  You know, I'd like to get first place all alone.

Calgary also gets a long run at Winnipeg who is without Laine and still waiting on Dubois.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 28, 2021, 10:25:50 AM
Quote from: L K on January 27, 2021, 03:52:10 PM
No supplemental discipline for Stone taking Bozak out of the game last night.  I think the thing that knocked him out of the game was his head hitting the ice but apparently taking a guy out away from the play is also acceptable behaviour. 

DOPS continues to do absolutely nothing.

It's one letter off from dopes, so maybe the acronym is trying to tell us something.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on January 28, 2021, 10:32:57 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on January 28, 2021, 09:11:22 AM
Quote from: Frank E on January 28, 2021, 08:44:04 AM
So, the sens are off to a terrible start, and they got blown out again last night by Vancouver.

habs are looking pretty strong though.

Yeah. Other than an adrenaline fueled win on their opening night, they've been pretty terrible.

I'm somewhat surprised.  I didn't think they would win a lot but I figured they would be a competitive team in a lot of physical losses.  Instead they are getting absolutely no goaltending and their defensive play is bad (that part isn't surprising)
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on January 28, 2021, 11:14:33 AM
Quote from: L K on January 28, 2021, 10:32:57 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on January 28, 2021, 09:11:22 AM
Quote from: Frank E on January 28, 2021, 08:44:04 AM
So, the sens are off to a terrible start, and they got blown out again last night by Vancouver.

habs are looking pretty strong though.

Yeah. Other than an adrenaline fueled win on their opening night, they've been pretty terrible.

I'm somewhat surprised.  I didn't think they would win a lot but I figured they would be a competitive team in a lot of physical losses.  Instead they are getting absolutely no goaltending and their defensive play is bad (that part isn't surprising)

I'm not quite sure what they expect out of Murray. His GAA has never been great and his SV% has been trending downwards. He simply played on a team that  To sign him to a contract carrying an AAV of 6.25 million is confusing. His numbers are worse than Andersen's. Would any of us be happy if Toronto signed him for 4 more seasons at 6.25 per? (Yes, I realize that Andersen is 5 years older)
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 28, 2021, 03:05:18 PM
https://twitter.com/PR_NHL/status/1354856247078617088

"The Golden Knights organization has, and will continue to follow all recommended guidelines"

(https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2021/01/27014808/GettyImages-1298800024-1024x704.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on January 28, 2021, 08:46:19 PM
Here is the stupid thing.  Coaches test positive.  Players are all around the coaches.  I don?t care that you are testing your players.  You know damn well the coach was screaming in their face on the ice or in the dressing room.  Those were people exposed to COVID who were allowed to continue to play and risk infecting other players.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 29, 2021, 12:16:09 AM
https://twitter.com/EliasSports/status/1354989907152953344

I was not expecting that final sentence.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on January 29, 2021, 09:54:30 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on January 29, 2021, 12:16:09 AM
https://twitter.com/EliasSports/status/1354989907152953344

I was not expecting that final sentence.

That's like an M. Night Shyamalan twist.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on January 29, 2021, 11:50:44 AM
https://twitter.com/NHLGIFs/status/1354984845441724418

Worth a watch
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on January 29, 2021, 12:38:24 PM
Quote from: Nik on January 29, 2021, 11:50:44 AM
https://twitter.com/NHLGIFs/status/1354984845441724418

Worth a watch
Really odd looking move. If he missed it would be a completely different narrative around that move. Totally expect him to pull the puck back to his forehand and then he just shovels it in.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 29, 2021, 12:51:58 PM
Decent move I guess but the goalie was sleeping there.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on January 29, 2021, 02:19:46 PM
Is that in full speed? The goalie seems to lose track of the puck and if that's full speed, he should get his eyes checked.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 29, 2021, 04:04:12 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on January 29, 2021, 02:19:46 PM
Is that in full speed? The goalie seems to lose track of the puck and if that's full speed, he should get his eyes checked.

I think it's part tracking, part sheer audacity of the attempt, I think the goalie is cheating expecting the deke back to the forehand.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 29, 2021, 04:40:22 PM
https://twitter.com/passittobulis/status/1355036377826553856
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 29, 2021, 06:59:49 PM
https://twitter.com/PR_NHL/status/1355286286370799618

I wonder how the league determines cancellations. Vegas is getting two games rescheduled because 3 coaches and 1 player (Pietrangelo) are on the Covid list. Carolina played a game yesterday when 5 of their players were unavailable because of protocols, including Teravainen and Slavin.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on January 29, 2021, 07:57:53 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 29, 2021, 06:59:49 PM
https://twitter.com/PR_NHL/status/1355286286370799618

I wonder how the league determines cancellations. Vegas is getting two games rescheduled because 3 coaches and 1 player (Pietrangelo) are on the Covid list. Carolina played a game yesterday when 5 of their players were unavailable because of protocols, including Teravainen and Slavin.

May depend on which players? We?ve had a football (soccer) match here postponed tomorrow as one of the clubs 3 goalies are all tested positive/isolating so it being a specialist position caused the postponement. If it had been 3 standard outfield players wouldn?t have been a problem.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 30, 2021, 01:20:13 PM
https://twitter.com/nhl/status/1355517391019630600

12 games today, after just 1 yesterday. And 8 of them start at the exact same time. This is why I don't have much faith in the NHL realizing how much people like this more regional schedule. One of the best things about the RTP in the summer was having games staggered all day, and they learned nothing from that.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: . on January 30, 2021, 02:39:38 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 30, 2021, 01:20:13 PM
https://twitter.com/nhl/status/1355517391019630600

12 games today, after just 1 yesterday. And 8 of them start at the exact same time. This is why I don't have much faith in the NHL realizing how much people like this more regional schedule. One of the best things about the RTP in the summer was having games staggered all day, and they learned nothing from that.

Maybe I'm wrong, but for a lot of casual fans in the US, if their local team is playing at 2pm, hockey is competing with other non-tv related things in the daylight hours, and folks aren't watching out of market sports at prime time over Netflix/non sports options.

In Canada, I could certainly see the benefit as we're way more captive audience due to lockdowns that the US really isn't in or isn't taking seriously.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on January 30, 2021, 03:06:05 PM

I don't know. I always thought that one of the problems they had with hockey in the states is they never tried to do what they do with Football on Sundays where there's a day where you knew your team was playing and also that you could also then watch other games after it.

Sure, a casual fan in Philadelphia might not be into a St. Louis/Colorado game but I think that's partly a function of the fact that the NHL doesn't really give their fans a good shot at developing that interest with consistent programming.

But, then again, with the way the sport is right now where there's as much parity as there is and with an already regional fan base, I don't care about a St. Louis/Colorado game either, to say nothing of, like, Tampa/Carolina.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 30, 2021, 04:52:52 PM
https://twitter.com/NHL/status/1355608476521799682
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on January 30, 2021, 06:15:09 PM
Great shot!
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on January 30, 2021, 06:33:19 PM
Quote from: herman on January 30, 2021, 04:52:52 PM
https://twitter.com/NHL/status/1355608476521799682
Almost like Auston with the drag and release
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on January 30, 2021, 10:55:00 PM
https://twitter.com/JShannonhl/status/1355710589805461504
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 30, 2021, 11:20:11 PM
Quote from: Deebo on January 30, 2021, 10:55:00 PM
https://twitter.com/JShannonhl/status/1355710589805461504
Bennett for Kerfoot..kidding
..Mete is tired of being a scratch I guess. Wonder why Bennett wants out?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 30, 2021, 11:24:16 PM
https://twitter.com/EricEngels/status/1355717507676581896

vs.

https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1355715011046494212

Darren Ferris seems like a fun agent.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on January 30, 2021, 11:33:26 PM
I?m gonna say the agent is more likely being truthful here. Why would you publicly say a player you represent wants out unless they actually want out? Seems like an easy to lose clients and the trust of any GMs you need to work with.

Bergevin needs to protect his bargaining position as much as possible. Also, I can never take a GM at face value for this kinda stuff.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on January 30, 2021, 11:35:28 PM
There was a report that Rutherford had a deal worked out with a north division team before he resigned.

Maybe it was Mete.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 30, 2021, 11:35:30 PM
I don't see Bergevin trading him. Mete's one injury away from getting playing time and Montreal's defence depth after him isn't great. They'll need him this season. Mete doesn't exactly have a lot of power here, it's not like he can threaten to sit out.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on January 31, 2021, 09:59:34 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 30, 2021, 11:24:16 PM
https://twitter.com/EricEngels/status/1355717507676581896

vs.

https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1355715011046494212

Darren Ferris seems like a fun agent.
So they're trading Mete to the Penguins
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on January 31, 2021, 11:48:18 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 30, 2021, 11:35:30 PM
I don't see Bergevin trading him. Mete's one injury away from getting playing time and Montreal's defence depth after him isn't great. They'll need him this season. Mete doesn't exactly have a lot of power here, it's not like he can threaten to sit out.

I don?t see it, either. At least, not unless there?s a young defenceman of similar quality coming back or maybe as part of a deadline deal.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 31, 2021, 01:08:37 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1355924462777102341

whaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 31, 2021, 01:13:23 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 31, 2021, 01:08:37 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1355924462777102341

whaaaaaaaaaaaaa
https://twitter.com/NYRFan92360244/status/1355926615260336132

Lol
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on January 31, 2021, 01:22:00 PM
I get that he?s not exactly the most well liked (or likeable) guy, but he?s a talented RHD. The Rags must be looking to cut bait, otherwise I have a hard time believing they couldn?t find a trade partner.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 31, 2021, 01:34:18 PM
https://twitter.com/RyanNPike/status/1355915462362636289

So they're just not even trying anymore eh.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on January 31, 2021, 02:08:43 PM
https://twitter.com/mnwild/status/1355710035498835970?s=19

Well this sucks. Didn't he play in the WJC? I thought he was recovered by then?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 31, 2021, 03:24:46 PM
https://twitter.com/twolinepass/status/1355956572053233666
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 31, 2021, 03:49:29 PM
https://twitter.com/rickcarpiniello/status/1355964713981587463
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on January 31, 2021, 03:58:58 PM

Typical left wing media. Reporting on the "facts" of "what happened".
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 31, 2021, 05:34:37 PM
https://twitter.com/blueseatblogs/status/1355980647068790786
https://twitter.com/rjtorandle/status/1355948139648315394
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on January 31, 2021, 07:14:49 PM
Keeps getting better and better for that guy.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 31, 2021, 08:12:35 PM
https://twitter.com/adamzherman/status/1356027893982388226
QuoteSince the original publishing of this story, multiple sources confirmed to Blueshirt Banter one incident that involved DeAngelo keeping the puck from Miller?s first NHL goal scored against the Buffalo Sabres on January 26. DeAngelo, who was on the ice for Miller?s goal, collected the puck from the net as shown in the gif below.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 31, 2021, 08:17:10 PM
Good time to re-up this:

https://twitter.com/DrewMacFarlane/status/1267657558350856192
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 31, 2021, 08:30:51 PM
https://twitter.com/dylanfremlin/status/1268942690864861184
Never not a good day to share this again
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 31, 2021, 08:47:20 PM
Kind of a bad look for NYR either way this goes at this point.

TDA: I am super racist and proud of it
NYR: ...

TDA: I have spoiled my (black) teammate?s hockey moment hahaha
NYR: GTFO
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 31, 2021, 09:33:36 PM
I literally can't get enough DeAngelo updates. There's no amount that will be too much.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 31, 2021, 09:47:44 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 31, 2021, 08:17:10 PM
Good time to re-up this:

https://twitter.com/DrewMacFarlane/status/1267657558350856192
What an asshat. Sad.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 31, 2021, 11:32:23 PM
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1356076453209780224

*damage control, activate*
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 01, 2021, 12:29:09 AM
https://twitter.com/Zeisberger/status/1356088564505862146?s=19
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 01, 2021, 02:33:06 AM
https://twitter.com/twolinepass/status/1356067610220253184

https://twitter.com/twolinepass/status/1356068425718788099

That's crazy!
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on February 01, 2021, 09:00:59 AM
Insane stretch of play will do that but McDavid is at 2PPG (22 points in 11 games).  Maybe someone should body check him?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 01, 2021, 10:34:13 AM
On a related note, Matt Murray has really just collapsed into awfulness, huh? I thought he'd rebound some getting the clear cut starting role in Ottawa, but, clearly, it's just made things worse for him so far. Lucky for the sens that they don't need the cap space for a couple years, because that contract is basically unmoveable.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 01, 2021, 10:36:51 AM
Quote from: L K on February 01, 2021, 09:00:59 AM
Insane stretch of play will do that but McDavid is at 2PPG (22 points in 11 games).  Maybe someone should body check him?

He and Draisaitl are poised to lap the rest of the league in the Art Ross race. 22 pt for McD, 21 for Draisaitl, 14 for the next highest (Marner & MacKinnon). They're going to absolutely feast on some of the teams in the North - Ottawa especially.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 01, 2021, 11:31:38 AM
https://twitter.com/NYP_Brooksie/status/1356259593563860992
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 01, 2021, 11:37:18 AM
Thread with summary of Friedman's Deangelo thoughts from 31 Thoughts:

https://twitter.com/PhilKocher/status/1356245342656847876
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on February 01, 2021, 11:38:33 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 01, 2021, 10:36:51 AM
Quote from: L K on February 01, 2021, 09:00:59 AM
Insane stretch of play will do that but McDavid is at 2PPG (22 points in 11 games).  Maybe someone should body check him?

He and Draisaitl are poised to lap the rest of the league in the Art Ross race. 22 pt for McD, 21 for Draisaitl, 14 for the next highest (Marner & MacKinnon). They're going to absolutely feast on some of the teams in the North - Ottawa especially.
...and EDM still sucks! How is that possible?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 01, 2021, 12:09:00 PM
Quote from: cabber24 on February 01, 2021, 11:38:33 AM
...and EDM still sucks! How is that possible?

They have no one else to provide them with . . . well, anything on a consistent basis?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on February 01, 2021, 12:34:41 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 01, 2021, 10:36:51 AM
Quote from: L K on February 01, 2021, 09:00:59 AM
Insane stretch of play will do that but McDavid is at 2PPG (22 points in 11 games).  Maybe someone should body check him?

He and Draisaitl are poised to lap the rest of the league in the Art Ross race. 22 pt for McD, 21 for Draisaitl, 14 for the next highest (Marner & MacKinnon). They're going to absolutely feast on some of the teams in the North - Ottawa especially.

The Leafs should have also feasted on Ottawa to be honest.  I could see 4-5 points for Marner against that team too if they played their game.  Hopefully next time
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 01, 2021, 12:56:04 PM
Quote from: Zee on February 01, 2021, 12:34:41 PM
The Leafs should have also feasted on Ottawa to be honest.  I could see 4-5 points for Marner against that team too if they played their game.  Hopefully next time

Yeah. It it wasn't the team's 2nd and 3rd games of the season, combined with the adrenaline boost the sens had for their opening night, they probably would have. Now that they're starting to click a little more, hopefully they will.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 01, 2021, 01:04:13 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1356286642861068290
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on February 01, 2021, 01:30:15 PM
So, what do they do now?  Buy him out?  Just leave him as healthy scratch for the season?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 01, 2021, 01:38:12 PM
Quote from: Frank E on February 01, 2021, 01:30:15 PM
So, what do they do now?  Buy him out?  Just leave him as healthy scratch for the season?

If the player agrees, they can put him on unconditional waivers now for contract termination.

If he has been found to be in contravention of his SPC, the Rangers can put him on unconditional waivers for contract termination.

If he does not want to terminate his contract and there is no legal case for termination otherwise, they can just assign him to the AHL (which is in pseudo-limbo) and then tell him to stay home.

Stories are probably coming out once the Rangers wash their hands of him.

Edit: https://theathletic.com/2359578/2021/02/01/tony-deangelo-clears-waivers-new-york-rangers/
No buyout option available.

If they assign him to AHL and he refuses to report, they can suspend him and then put them on the road to termination.

Any termination option, other than mutual, is going to be fraught with grievance/appeals with the union.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 01, 2021, 02:09:21 PM
I still think they can find a taker in a trade, they'll just have to retain the full 50%. A team with a good veteran presence that can keep him in line could benefit from him - but, it would also basically be his last chance.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 01, 2021, 02:14:30 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 01, 2021, 02:09:21 PM
I still think they can find a taker in a trade, they'll just have to retain the full 50%. A team with a good veteran presence that can keep him in line could benefit from him - but, it would also basically be his last chance.

A drop of turd in a bucket of the most pristine of spring water still makes it a turd bucket.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 01, 2021, 02:18:21 PM
Columbus is probably kicking themselves for taking on Roslovic and getting capped out.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 01, 2021, 02:59:12 PM
Quote from: Frank E on February 01, 2021, 01:30:15 PM
So, what do they do now?  Buy him out?  Just leave him as healthy scratch for the season?
He'll probably be assigned to the AHL but won't go there because, according to a Ranger's reporter, they won't want him there influencing any kids. So he'll get paid to stay home and then he'll be bought out in the off season.
I don't see anyone trading for him.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 01, 2021, 03:15:05 PM
Quote from: herman on February 01, 2021, 02:14:30 PM
A drop of turd in a bucket of the most pristine of spring water still makes it a turd bucket.

Yeah, but how many buckets in this league don't have some turds in them? This is just a more public turd.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 01, 2021, 03:18:49 PM

Yeah, for a team without a big media profile I think the potential value might be too much to pass up.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on February 01, 2021, 04:00:21 PM
So where does DeAngelo rank on the list of hockey players with poor core values?  Is he above or below Tim Thomas, or Steve Downey?  Is giving him another chance different than the number of chances a player like Matt Cooke received, or Raffi Torres?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on February 01, 2021, 05:16:49 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 01, 2021, 10:34:13 AM
On a related note, Matt Murray has really just collapsed into awfulness, huh? I thought he'd rebound some getting the clear cut starting role in Ottawa, but, clearly, it's just made things worse for him so far. Lucky for the sens that they don't need the cap space for a couple years, because that contract is basically unmoveable.

I'm not overly high on Murray but playing behind that group of players makes it pretty tough to put up numbers.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 01, 2021, 05:35:28 PM
https://twitter.com/Aportzline/status/1356353062609313800

So close.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 01, 2021, 05:41:59 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on February 01, 2021, 05:16:49 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 01, 2021, 10:34:13 AM
On a related note, Matt Murray has really just collapsed into awfulness, huh? I thought he'd rebound some getting the clear cut starting role in Ottawa, but, clearly, it's just made things worse for him so far. Lucky for the sens that they don't need the cap space for a couple years, because that contract is basically unmoveable.

I'm not overly high on Murray but playing behind that group of players makes it pretty tough to put up numbers.

That's certainly part of it, but Murray has been especially bad. Ottawa has the 2nd worst Sv% on scoring chances against (ironically, it's Pittsburgh that has the worst, but they allow a significant amount fewer) and the worst differential between expected goals against and actual goals against. Ottawa hasn't played well, but Murray's performance has been equally bad, if not worse.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on February 01, 2021, 06:41:36 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1356372020469096450
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 01, 2021, 06:43:48 PM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on February 01, 2021, 04:00:21 PM
So where does DeAngelo rank on the list of hockey players with poor core values?  Is he above or below Tim Thomas, or Steve Downey?  Is giving him another chance different than the number of chances a player like Matt Cooke received, or Raffi Torres?

I think the real killer is that it's not just the poor core values, it's the getting in fights with teammates. Tim Thomas was too busy prepping for the coming race wars for that.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 01, 2021, 07:27:12 PM
Quote from: Deebo on February 01, 2021, 06:41:36 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1356372020469096450

https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1356373669912698882
Free Georgiev and Miller pls
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on February 01, 2021, 07:48:08 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 01, 2021, 05:41:59 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on February 01, 2021, 05:16:49 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 01, 2021, 10:34:13 AM
On a related note, Matt Murray has really just collapsed into awfulness, huh? I thought he'd rebound some getting the clear cut starting role in Ottawa, but, clearly, it's just made things worse for him so far. Lucky for the sens that they don't need the cap space for a couple years, because that contract is basically unmoveable.

I'm not overly high on Murray but playing behind that group of players makes it pretty tough to put up numbers.

That's certainly part of it, but Murray has been especially bad. Ottawa has the 2nd worst Sv% on scoring chances against (ironically, it's Pittsburgh that has the worst, but they allow a significant amount fewer) and the worst differential between expected goals against and actual goals against. Ottawa hasn't played well, but Murray's performance has been equally bad, if not worse.

I think Murray falls into the category of "he's really good because he won a cup". It got him a nice contract from the Senators.

I'm not sure why the Senators wanted a 6.25 million dollar goalie when the rest of the team was so sh*t in the first place. Seems like they're spending the money too early. I guess the good thing is he'll only be 29-30 at the end of his contract so his play shouldn't have dropped off too much by then....but, if it doesn't improve, like you said, how do you move him. you're not a team ready to start competing with a goalie that's preventing you from doing so.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 01, 2021, 11:41:24 PM
Quote from: Deebo on February 01, 2021, 06:41:36 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1356372020469096450
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1356372875595419651

You absolutely hate to see it.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on February 01, 2021, 11:58:54 PM
Quote from: herman on February 01, 2021, 02:14:30 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 01, 2021, 02:09:21 PM
I still think they can find a taker in a trade, they'll just have to retain the full 50%. A team with a good veteran presence that can keep him in line could benefit from him - but, it would also basically be his last chance.

A drop of turd in a bucket of the most pristine of spring water still makes it a turd bucket.

Or, as my grand-dad used to say, half a turd is still enough to flush the toilet for.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 02, 2021, 08:01:31 PM
New Jersey might be in the midst of an outbreak situation, which has overflowed to Buffalo.

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1356732749697200133
https://twitter.com/buffalovogl/status/1356628871538479105
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 03, 2021, 01:44:20 AM
https://twitter.com/mrbooth_7/status/1356836367276273668
My utmost respect goes to...
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 03, 2021, 09:26:12 AM
Quote from: herman on February 02, 2021, 08:01:31 PM
New Jersey might be in the midst of an outbreak situation, which has overflowed to Buffalo.

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1356732749697200133
https://twitter.com/buffalovogl/status/1356628871538479105
Wow.  And Connor Carrick has a new baby, too.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 03, 2021, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on February 03, 2021, 09:26:12 AM
Wow.  And Connor Carrick has a new baby, too.

To be clear, being on the NHL's COVID list doesn't mean you tested positive. Carrick is on the list because he left quarantine because of his new baby. Vatanen and Dell are both on the list because they hadn't officially joined the team yet since their signing/waiver claim.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 03, 2021, 09:35:59 AM
https://twitter.com/TSNSimmer/status/1345369580579991558

So this didn't age well.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 03, 2021, 09:42:11 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 03, 2021, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on February 03, 2021, 09:26:12 AM
Wow.  And Connor Carrick has a new baby, too.

To be clear, being on the NHL's COVID list doesn't mean you tested positive. Carrick is on the list because he left quarantine because of his new baby. Vatanen and Dell are both on the list because they hadn't officially joined the team yet since their signing/waiver claim.
Oh, right, got it.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 03, 2021, 09:42:36 AM
Quote from: herman on February 03, 2021, 01:44:20 AM
https://twitter.com/mrbooth_7/status/1356836367276273668
My utmost respect goes to...
Man, what a rube.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 03, 2021, 09:49:13 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on February 03, 2021, 09:42:11 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 03, 2021, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on February 03, 2021, 09:26:12 AM
Wow.  And Connor Carrick has a new baby, too.

To be clear, being on the NHL's COVID list doesn't mean you tested positive. Carrick is on the list because he left quarantine because of his new baby. Vatanen and Dell are both on the list because they hadn't officially joined the team yet since their signing/waiver claim.
Oh, right, got it.

Andreas Johnsson, though :( has asthma, so I'm hoping his is just a precautionary isolation due to proximity to a case.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 03, 2021, 02:34:40 PM
I love the DeAngelo story so much because it's a crossover between my two biggest interests:  hockey, and racist Trump fans getting their comeuppance.

He's so stupid that probably the only thing protecting him from falling victim to a Nigerian Prince email scam is his racism.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 03, 2021, 07:35:08 PM
Detroit is really, really lucky that the sens exist.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 03, 2021, 07:52:40 PM
The NHL?s Covid list is getting wild
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 03, 2021, 09:12:51 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 03, 2021, 07:35:08 PM
Detroit is really, really lucky that the sens exist.

Are they? They?re Detroit?s biggest obstacle in getting the 1st overall pick.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: louisstamos on February 04, 2021, 01:15:55 AM
So, Pastrnak has been back for 3 games, and already has 5 goals and 2 assists. :/

Kinda happy we're not in a division with them at the moment!
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 04, 2021, 12:27:34 PM
https://twitter.com/BuffaloSabres/status/1357362095117975558
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on February 04, 2021, 12:51:20 PM
So just to update on COVID cases/siolations in 2021

Anaheim, Boston, Buffalo, Carolina, Chicago, Colorado, Columbus, Dallas, Detroit, Edmonton, Florida, LA, Minnesota, Nashville, New Jersey, NYR, Philly, Pittsburgh, San Jose, Tampa Bay, Vancouver, Vegas, Washington, Winnipeg

24 of 31 teams have had players/coaches end up on COVID precaution so far this year. 
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on February 04, 2021, 12:54:15 PM
Quote from: L K on February 04, 2021, 12:51:20 PM
24 of 31 teams have had players/coaches end up on COVID precaution so far this year.

Does COVID precaution include players that are isolated due to trades? Having to leave the team for various reasons?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 04, 2021, 12:57:00 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on February 04, 2021, 12:54:15 PM
Quote from: L K on February 04, 2021, 12:51:20 PM
24 of 31 teams have had players/coaches end up on COVID precaution so far this year.

Does COVID precaution include players that are isolated due to trades? Having to leave the team for various reasons?

Yeah. I know off the top of my head Winnipeg hasn't had any actual people test positive or have to isolate because they were a suspected case or something like that. It's just been Dubois on their list because of that trade.

The league should probably be more upfront about how many actual positives cases that they've had. It looks like the NBA is doing weekly updates on that. And we know the NHL had no problem announcing things like that on a regular basis when they were zero during the bubble.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on February 04, 2021, 01:00:22 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 04, 2021, 12:57:00 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on February 04, 2021, 12:54:15 PM
Quote from: L K on February 04, 2021, 12:51:20 PM
24 of 31 teams have had players/coaches end up on COVID precaution so far this year.

Does COVID precaution include players that are isolated due to trades? Having to leave the team for various reasons?

Yeah. I know off the top of my head Winnipeg hasn't had any actual people test positive or have to isolate because they were a suspected case or something like that. It's just been Dubois on their list because of that trade.

The league should probably be more upfront about how many actual positives cases that they've had. It looks like the NBA is doing weekly updates on that. And we know the NHL had no problem announcing things like that on a regular basis when they were zero during the bubble.

Yeah, it's sort of like the government of Ontario always updating positive cases but not the amount of deaths.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Peter D. on February 04, 2021, 01:43:07 PM
Quote from: L K on February 04, 2021, 12:51:20 PM
So just to update on COVID cases/siolations in 2021

Anaheim, Boston, Buffalo, Carolina, Chicago, Colorado, Columbus, Dallas, Detroit, Edmonton, Florida, LA, Minnesota, Nashville, New Jersey, NYR, Philly, Pittsburgh, San Jose, Tampa Bay, Vancouver, Vegas, Washington, Winnipeg

24 of 31 teams have had players/coaches end up on COVID precaution so far this year.

MLB looked like they were going to spiral out of control after the few teams had to isolate in the first couple weeks of the season.  But in the end, it seemed like it thinned out didn't affect as many teams as it has already has the NHL.

Not to mention MLB had to reschedule a total of 43 games in their season.  Roughly 20% of the way in, the NHL is already at half that amount.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 04, 2021, 02:31:38 PM
Quote from: Peter D. on February 04, 2021, 01:43:07 PM
MLB looked like they were going to spiral out of control after the few teams had to isolate in the first couple weeks of the season.  But in the end, it seemed like it thinned out didn't affect as many teams as it has already has the NHL.

Not to mention MLB had to reschedule a total of 43 games in their season.  Roughly 20% of the way in, the NHL is already at half that amount.

MLB had the benefits of being a summer sport, an outdoor sport, and a sport with less direct physical contact.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on February 04, 2021, 03:26:58 PM
Bennett's a healthy scratch tonight.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 04, 2021, 10:38:22 PM
https://twitter.com/RangersMSGN/status/1357515796969365510

lol
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on February 04, 2021, 10:43:52 PM
That's a brutal call. yikes.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on February 04, 2021, 10:44:29 PM
https://www.nhl.com/news/capitals-ovechkin-seventh-in-nhl-history-with-709-goals/c-321095508

Ovechkin passes Gartner in goals to move up to 7th. Close behind Esposito.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 04, 2021, 10:47:42 PM
https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/1357519438061404160

lol
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on February 04, 2021, 10:49:27 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 04, 2021, 10:47:42 PM
https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/1357519438061404160

lol

That's awesome.  Can't wait for Panarin to go on waivers.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 05, 2021, 12:46:58 AM
I hadn't noticed how slow a start Mika Zibanijad has got off to this year. Just 1-2-3 In 10 games this year after 41-34-75 In just 57 games last year.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 07, 2021, 11:19:57 AM
https://twitter.com/jtbourne/status/1358416288658444289

And the Oilers lost by two (without an empty netter). It's astounding how completely dependent the Oilers are on their two big guns.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 07, 2021, 11:53:01 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on February 07, 2021, 11:19:57 AM
https://twitter.com/jtbourne/status/1358416288658444289

And the Oilers lost by two (without an empty netter). It's astounding how completely dependent the Oilers are on their two big guns.

No depth, poor defence, and bad goaltending. Those two are literally keeping the team out of the league basement.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 07, 2021, 12:08:52 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 07, 2021, 11:53:01 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on February 07, 2021, 11:19:57 AM
https://twitter.com/jtbourne/status/1358416288658444289

And the Oilers lost by two (without an empty netter). It's astounding how completely dependent the Oilers are on their two big guns.

No depth, poor defence, and bad goaltending. Those two are literally keeping the team out of the league basement.
Oh, I know, believe me. It's just such an open acknowledgement of the situation.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 07, 2021, 04:28:34 PM
JVR has 18 points in 13 games this season, which puts him 4th in the league in scoring.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 07, 2021, 05:23:44 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 07, 2021, 04:28:34 PM
JVR has 18 points in 13 games this season, which puts him 4th in the league in scoring.
That's nice to see. He needed a bounce back after last season. Quality person.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 07, 2021, 06:51:50 PM
https://twitter.com/Aportzline/status/1358547578275651589
https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/1358541323066875905

Torts is already checking his bank account to see what kind of fine he can handle.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on February 07, 2021, 08:02:57 PM
How do you not rescind the goal on that play.  Like I don?t understand.  Columbus lost the game 6-5

Columbus got punished twice because the league screwed up twice
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on February 07, 2021, 11:11:15 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on February 07, 2021, 11:19:57 AM
https://twitter.com/jtbourne/status/1358416288658444289

And the Oilers lost by two (without an empty netter). It's astounding how completely dependent the Oilers are on their two big guns.
Everyone keeps going on about those two but the rest of their players are trash.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 08, 2021, 09:15:11 AM
Quote from: L K on February 07, 2021, 08:02:57 PM
How do you not rescind the goal on that play.  Like I don?t understand.  Columbus lost the game 6-5

Columbus got punished twice because the league screwed up twice

Agreed. I get that the rules state that, once the puck drops, you can't reverse a call - but, they did on the penalty, so why not the goal as well?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on February 08, 2021, 10:02:46 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 07, 2021, 06:51:50 PM
https://twitter.com/Aportzline/status/1358547578275651589
https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/1358541323066875905

Torts is already checking his bank account to see what kind of fine he can handle.
Isn't this onside? Skate doesn't have to be one the ice, does his shoulder count as being onside?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 08, 2021, 10:06:58 AM
Quote from: cabber24 on February 08, 2021, 10:02:46 AM
Isn't this onside? Skate doesn't have to be one the ice, does his shoulder count as being onside?

The position of the players skates is still what decides it, the skate just doesn't have to be on the ice anymore.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on February 08, 2021, 10:12:11 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 08, 2021, 10:06:58 AM
Quote from: cabber24 on February 08, 2021, 10:02:46 AM
Isn't this onside? Skate doesn't have to be one the ice, does his shoulder count as being onside?

The position of the players skates is still what decides it, the skate just doesn't have to be on the ice anymore.
So only skates being behind the "offside plane" off the ice count as being onside but not other body parts? Very confusing.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 08, 2021, 10:14:53 AM
Quote from: cabber24 on February 08, 2021, 10:12:11 AM
So only skates being behind the "offside plane" off the ice count as being onside but not other body parts? Very confusing.

It's not that different from what it was previously. It's always been about the position of the skates. The only thing that changed was the requirement that they be touching the ice.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 08, 2021, 10:18:36 AM
Without seeing the video, it's not 100% clear to that the puck hasn't crossed the line completely. It looks like it might be touching the edge of the line, but that could be a bit of an optical illusion. Still image doesn't really show us when the skate crossed vs the puck. Based on where the attacking Carolina player is, I suspect he crossed before, but it's not conclusive from that image.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on February 08, 2021, 10:23:08 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 08, 2021, 10:14:53 AM
Quote from: cabber24 on February 08, 2021, 10:12:11 AM
So only skates being behind the "offside plane" off the ice count as being onside but not other body parts? Very confusing.

It's not that different from what it was previously. It's always been about the position of the skates. The only thing that changed was the requirement that they be touching the ice.
A guy lying on the blue line with his feet in the offensive zone is still onside? It's not just about feet position. Anyway, it's totally ridiculous how it played out.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 08, 2021, 10:35:15 AM
Quote from: cabber24 on February 08, 2021, 10:23:08 AM
A guy lying on the blue line with his feet in the offensive zone is still onside? It's not just about feet position.

This is the updated rule:

QuoteNHL Rule 83 (Off-side)

Beginning in the 2020-21 regular season, a player's skate will not have to be in contact with the blue line in order to be on-side. The updated language for NHL Rule 83.1 follows.

83.1 Off-side - Players of the attacking team must not precede the puck into the attacking zone.

The position of the player's skates and not that of his stick shall be the determining factor in all instances in deciding an off-side. A player is off-side when both skates are completely over the leading edge of the blue line involved in the play.

(NEW) - A player is on-side when either of his skates are in contact with the blue line, or on his own side of the line, at the instant the puck completely crosses the leading edge of the blue line. On his own side of the line shall be defined by a "plane" of the blue line which shall extend from the leading edge of the blue line upwards. If a player's skate has yet to break the "plane" prior to the puck crossing the leading edge, he is deemed to be on-side for the purpose of the off-side rule.

Again, the skate is the only thing they talk about here. So yeah theoretically if a player was lying on his stomach but if his skates were on his own side of the line it would be deemed onside.

Video explaining it too if it's helpful: https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/video/need-know-nhls-2020-21-off-side-rule-change/
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 08, 2021, 10:52:12 AM
Quote from: cabber24 on February 08, 2021, 10:23:08 AM
A guy lying on the blue line with his feet in the offensive zone is still onside? It's not just about feet position. Anyway, it's totally ridiculous how it played out.

No, I imagine skate placement would play into things there, too. When did the player fall? Did they fall backwards so upper body ended up out of the zone while the puck was being brought it? Then, the play was most likely offside. Were they already on the ice or were they sliding forward from outside the zone skate first? Then it's onside. 

And, for the record, this would have been the case before the rule change.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on February 08, 2021, 04:04:31 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 08, 2021, 10:35:15 AM
Quote from: cabber24 on February 08, 2021, 10:23:08 AM
A guy lying on the blue line with his feet in the offensive zone is still onside? It's not just about feet position.

This is the updated rule:

QuoteNHL Rule 83 (Off-side)

Beginning in the 2020-21 regular season, a player's skate will not have to be in contact with the blue line in order to be on-side. The updated language for NHL Rule 83.1 follows.

83.1 Off-side - Players of the attacking team must not precede the puck into the attacking zone.

The position of the player's skates and not that of his stick shall be the determining factor in all instances in deciding an off-side. A player is off-side when both skates are completely over the leading edge of the blue line involved in the play.

(NEW) - A player is on-side when either of his skates are in contact with the blue line, or on his own side of the line, at the instant the puck completely crosses the leading edge of the blue line. On his own side of the line shall be defined by a "plane" of the blue line which shall extend from the leading edge of the blue line upwards. If a player's skate has yet to break the "plane" prior to the puck crossing the leading edge, he is deemed to be on-side for the purpose of the off-side rule.

Again, the skate is the only thing they talk about here. So yeah theoretically if a player was lying on his stomach but if his skates were on his own side of the line it would be deemed onside.

Video explaining it too if it's helpful: https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/video/need-know-nhls-2020-21-off-side-rule-change/
He still hasn't cleared the blue line plane with his entire body. I am not sure why a skate versus other body parts matter. Kind of screwy being specific about the skates.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on February 08, 2021, 04:17:04 PM
If it's not the skates, a playing trying to get on-side could do a superman dive and have his fingertip "break the plan" and be back on-side. While that'd be totally rad and hilarious to see, I think it makes sense to tie the rule to the standard mode of transport, which is skating.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 08, 2021, 04:22:09 PM
https://nypost.com/2021/02/08/rangers-must-prioritize-kids-amid-hazy-tony-deangelo-aftermath/

QuoteThere is no movement at all in the Blueshirts? effort to move DeAngelo. Following a spate of early inquiries and conversations, some of them advanced, interest in the 25-year-old, who a year ago was tied for the NHL?s fourth highest-scoring defenseman, has dried up.

That is less for hockey and hockey-trade reasons than because of apparent ownership/management fear of fan backlash in acquiring No. 77. Thursday, an immediate onslaught of vituperative responses from Flames? fans followed our tweet confirming Calgary?s interest in DeAngelo. The interest has since evaporated. It may not be an overstatement to suggest that DeAngelo?s career is on the line.

a) cyber bullying is an extremely effective double-edged sword
b) this is the first time I've seen the word vituperative before, let alone in a hockey column.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 08, 2021, 05:27:02 PM
https://twitter.com/BuffaloVogl/status/1358878287200718855
I'm kind of curious what data/science the NHL was basing their 'no on-ice transmission' belief on. No way could a respiratory virus that is transmitted through droplets going to affect 14 hard-breathing bodies skating through each others breath clouds in an enclosed space going to spread during a game, no siree.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on February 08, 2021, 06:00:58 PM
Quote from: herman on February 08, 2021, 05:27:02 PM
https://twitter.com/BuffaloVogl/status/1358878287200718855
I'm kind of curious what data/science the NHL was basing their 'no on-ice transmission' belief on. No way could a respiratory virus that is transmitted through droplets going to affect 14 hard-breathing bodies skating through each others breath clouds in an enclosed space going to spread during a game, no siree.
I agree, evidence not required.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on February 08, 2021, 06:01:55 PM
Quote from: herman on February 08, 2021, 04:22:09 PM
https://nypost.com/2021/02/08/rangers-must-prioritize-kids-amid-hazy-tony-deangelo-aftermath/

QuoteThere is no movement at all in the Blueshirts? effort to move DeAngelo. Following a spate of early inquiries and conversations, some of them advanced, interest in the 25-year-old, who a year ago was tied for the NHL?s fourth highest-scoring defenseman, has dried up.

That is less for hockey and hockey-trade reasons than because of apparent ownership/management fear of fan backlash in acquiring No. 77. Thursday, an immediate onslaught of vituperative responses from Flames? fans followed our tweet confirming Calgary?s interest in DeAngelo. The interest has since evaporated. It may not be an overstatement to suggest that DeAngelo?s career is on the line.

a) cyber bullying is an extremely effective double-edged sword
b) this is the first time I've seen the word vituperative before, let alone in a hockey column.
Why trade when he could have been claimed for nothing? I guess teams need to send salary back?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 08, 2021, 09:47:12 PM
https://twitter.com/zjlaing/status/1358954122238586881

Hey, NHL, should be two minutes for breaking COVID protocol here.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 08, 2021, 10:19:02 PM
Quote from: cabber24 on February 08, 2021, 06:01:55 PM
Quote from: herman on February 08, 2021, 04:22:09 PM
https://nypost.com/2021/02/08/rangers-must-prioritize-kids-amid-hazy-tony-deangelo-aftermath/

QuoteThere is no movement at all in the Blueshirts? effort to move DeAngelo. Following a spate of early inquiries and conversations, some of them advanced, interest in the 25-year-old, who a year ago was tied for the NHL?s fourth highest-scoring defenseman, has dried up.

That is less for hockey and hockey-trade reasons than because of apparent ownership/management fear of fan backlash in acquiring No. 77. Thursday, an immediate onslaught of vituperative responses from Flames? fans followed our tweet confirming Calgary?s interest in DeAngelo. The interest has since evaporated. It may not be an overstatement to suggest that DeAngelo?s career is on the line.

a) cyber bullying is an extremely effective double-edged sword
b) this is the first time I've seen the word vituperative before, let alone in a hockey column.
Why trade when he could have been claimed for nothing? I guess teams need to send salary back?
I think the Rangers will have to eat salary.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on February 08, 2021, 10:30:18 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on February 08, 2021, 10:19:02 PM
Quote from: cabber24 on February 08, 2021, 06:01:55 PM
Quote from: herman on February 08, 2021, 04:22:09 PM
https://nypost.com/2021/02/08/rangers-must-prioritize-kids-amid-hazy-tony-deangelo-aftermath/

QuoteThere is no movement at all in the Blueshirts? effort to move DeAngelo. Following a spate of early inquiries and conversations, some of them advanced, interest in the 25-year-old, who a year ago was tied for the NHL?s fourth highest-scoring defenseman, has dried up.

That is less for hockey and hockey-trade reasons than because of apparent ownership/management fear of fan backlash in acquiring No. 77. Thursday, an immediate onslaught of vituperative responses from Flames? fans followed our tweet confirming Calgary?s interest in DeAngelo. The interest has since evaporated. It may not be an overstatement to suggest that DeAngelo?s career is on the line.

a) cyber bullying is an extremely effective double-edged sword
b) this is the first time I've seen the word vituperative before, let alone in a hockey column.
Why trade when he could have been claimed for nothing? I guess teams need to send salary back?
I think the Rangers will have to eat salary.
I wonder if a guy like him either cleans up his act or he's not in the league. My employer wouldn't accept the kind of shit he pulls.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on February 08, 2021, 10:44:55 PM
Laine  got benched in the 2nd period and didnt play the rest of the game
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 08, 2021, 10:50:40 PM
https://twitter.com/EverydaySens/status/1358967315681968128

It probably says a lot about how I just expect refs to ignore cross checks now that I'm more blown away that they decided to put the face-off after this OUTSIDE the offensive zone.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 08, 2021, 10:56:15 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 08, 2021, 10:50:40 PM
https://twitter.com/EverydaySens/status/1358967315681968128

It probably says a lot about how I just expect refs to ignore cross checks now that I'm more blown away that they decided to put the face-off after this OUTSIDE the offensive zone.
Cross checks are ok in the NHL..
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on February 08, 2021, 10:58:54 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on February 08, 2021, 10:56:15 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 08, 2021, 10:50:40 PM
https://twitter.com/EverydaySens/status/1358967315681968128

It probably says a lot about how I just expect refs to ignore cross checks now that I'm more blown away that they decided to put the face-off after this OUTSIDE the offensive zone.
Cross checks are ok in the NHL..

I think every time a player gets cross checked they should go over to the ref and do it to them.  See if they think it?s no big deal
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 08, 2021, 11:11:17 PM

I'm sure people are sick of me saying this when there are complaints about refereeing but it really isn't a refs issue. It's the reality that the league, and fans, want rules selectively enforced. Until you resolve that pointing out specific calls you think the refs got wrong is missing the issue by miles.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 08, 2021, 11:14:27 PM
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1358976407209132038

Must have said Biden won the election.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on February 08, 2021, 11:21:44 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 08, 2021, 11:14:27 PM
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1358976407209132038

Must have said Biden won the election.

Jeez, it's only been 6 days and it's already "a number of things".
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on February 08, 2021, 11:43:14 PM
Quote from: Deebo on February 08, 2021, 11:21:44 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 08, 2021, 11:14:27 PM
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1358976407209132038

Must have said Biden won the election.

Jeez, it's only been 6 days and it's already "a number of things".
I'm not gonna lie, that's pretty hilarious. I get that Torts is trying to instill good habits but man, sometimes the ends don't justify the means, especially when he's running guys out of town.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 08, 2021, 11:52:11 PM

Coaches like Tortorella always make me think about something someone once said about Bill Parcells and how he treated Lawrence Taylor. Basically the quote was "He didn't treat all of his players equally but he did treat them all fairly".

Good coaches, to my mind, take the guys they have and use them in a way to get the most out of them. Coaches like Tortorella expect guys to fit into the boxes they want them to fit into in order to use them in a defined system. That can work, and a team can have success, if there's a fortuitous alignment of player skills and coach's tactics but that coach will fail if he's in a situation where he needs to show flexibility and an ability to adapt his methods to suit his team's talents.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on February 09, 2021, 12:42:35 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 08, 2021, 11:14:27 PM
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1358976407209132038

Must have said Biden won the election.
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Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 09, 2021, 09:37:03 AM
Toronto, Boston, and Tampa all lead their respective divisions right now. It's cool that in a normal world one of these teams would be guaranteed to lose in the first round and another in the second round.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 09, 2021, 10:15:29 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 09, 2021, 09:37:03 AM
Toronto, Boston, and Tampa all lead their respective divisions right now. It's cool that in a normal world one of these teams would be guaranteed to lose in the first round and another in the second round.

I'm quite impressed with the way Boston hangs in there even with middling drafts and the loss of key contributors and the looming aging cliff about to befall Bergeron/Marchand. They have exemplary structure all over the ice; the top line just puts them over the top whenever they're out there.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 09, 2021, 10:19:36 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 09, 2021, 09:37:03 AM
Toronto, Boston, and Tampa all lead their respective divisions right now. It's cool that in a normal world one of these teams would be guaranteed to lose in the first round and another in the second round.
And that's a good reason why the NHL needs to change their playoff set up.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on February 09, 2021, 10:25:41 AM
Quote from: herman on February 09, 2021, 10:15:29 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 09, 2021, 09:37:03 AM
Toronto, Boston, and Tampa all lead their respective divisions right now. It's cool that in a normal world one of these teams would be guaranteed to lose in the first round and another in the second round.

I'm quite impressed with the way Boston hangs in there even with middling drafts and the loss of key contributors and the looming aging cliff about to befall Bergeron/Marchand. They have exemplary structure all over the ice; the top line just puts them over the top whenever they're out there.

Not just leading their divisions but:

26-4-4

There are only 12 teams (including the Atlantic leaders) with less than 4 regulation losses.  Three of those teams have played less than 10 games.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 09, 2021, 10:53:02 AM
Quote from: herman on February 09, 2021, 10:15:29 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 09, 2021, 09:37:03 AM
Toronto, Boston, and Tampa all lead their respective divisions right now. It's cool that in a normal world one of these teams would be guaranteed to lose in the first round and another in the second round.

I'm quite impressed with the way Boston hangs in there even with middling drafts and the loss of key contributors and the looming aging cliff about to befall Bergeron/Marchand. They have exemplary structure all over the ice; the top line just puts them over the top whenever they're out there.

Infuriated would be the word I would use, but yeah. They really shouldn't be this good with that left side defence.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 09, 2021, 10:59:24 AM
Quote from: herman on February 09, 2021, 10:15:29 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 09, 2021, 09:37:03 AM
Toronto, Boston, and Tampa all lead their respective divisions right now. It's cool that in a normal world one of these teams would be guaranteed to lose in the first round and another in the second round.

I'm quite impressed with the way Boston hangs in there even with middling drafts and the loss of key contributors and the looming aging cliff about to befall Bergeron/Marchand. They have exemplary structure all over the ice; the top line just puts them over the top whenever they're out there.

The fact that they've done it without feasting on the Rags or Sabres yet, and having only played New Jersey twice makes it more impressive. They've put up their record against the better teams in their division.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 09, 2021, 11:00:50 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 09, 2021, 10:59:24 AM
Quote from: herman on February 09, 2021, 10:15:29 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 09, 2021, 09:37:03 AM
Toronto, Boston, and Tampa all lead their respective divisions right now. It's cool that in a normal world one of these teams would be guaranteed to lose in the first round and another in the second round.

I'm quite impressed with the way Boston hangs in there even with middling drafts and the loss of key contributors and the looming aging cliff about to befall Bergeron/Marchand. They have exemplary structure all over the ice; the top line just puts them over the top whenever they're out there.

The fact that they've done it without feasting on the Rags or Sabres yet, and having only played New Jersey twice makes it more impressive. They've put up their record against the better teams in their division.

And with Pastrnak only playing 4 games.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on February 09, 2021, 11:30:23 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 09, 2021, 11:00:50 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 09, 2021, 10:59:24 AM
Quote from: herman on February 09, 2021, 10:15:29 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 09, 2021, 09:37:03 AM
Toronto, Boston, and Tampa all lead their respective divisions right now. It's cool that in a normal world one of these teams would be guaranteed to lose in the first round and another in the second round.

I'm quite impressed with the way Boston hangs in there even with middling drafts and the loss of key contributors and the looming aging cliff about to befall Bergeron/Marchand. They have exemplary structure all over the ice; the top line just puts them over the top whenever they're out there.

The fact that they've done it without feasting on the Rags or Sabres yet, and having only played New Jersey twice makes it more impressive. They've put up their record against the better teams in their division.

And with Pastrnak only playing 4 games.
Shut up already about Boston being great. Third round problems if we get there.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 09, 2021, 12:09:26 PM
https://twitter.com/TheOakLeafs/status/1359166463731458054
I think the Leafs are underrated because of Tampa and Boston's dominance.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 09, 2021, 02:22:53 PM
https://twitter.com/Capitals/status/1359205327284101120

I'm not trying to say that the NHL shouldn't be postponing games, but I still don't get the rhyme and reason behind how they decide what games go on and what don't. This release plainly says the NHL "announced today that as a result of a second Philadelphia Flyers Player entering the NHL's COVID Protocols earlier today". But plenty of teams have played games with multiple players on the protocol list before.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 09, 2021, 02:26:47 PM
https://twitter.com/BuffaloVogl/status/1359202483499917314

Ralph Krueger is 61 years old, tested positive for Covid 5 days ago, is currently symptomatic, and the team is HOPING he's good to go for their game on Monday. Like jesus christ send the guy home for the next month are you kidding?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on February 09, 2021, 03:17:26 PM
https://twitter.com/BlueJacketsNHL/status/1359215612392853510?s=20

Wonder if this is related to Torts in some way.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on February 09, 2021, 03:17:55 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 09, 2021, 02:26:47 PM
https://twitter.com/BuffaloVogl/status/1359202483499917314

Ralph Krueger is 61 years old, tested positive for Covid 5 days ago, is currently symptomatic, and the team is HOPING he's good to go for their game on Monday. Like jesus christ send the guy home for the next month are you kidding?

Let him recover until he feels well enough. I think there shouldn't be a timeline on this.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 09, 2021, 03:25:09 PM
Quote from: Bender on February 09, 2021, 03:17:26 PM
Wonder if this is related to Torts in some way.

I imagine it's probably more about injuries having worn him down more than he thought, no longer performing at a high level, etc. I'm sure Torts and/or his spot on the team's depth chart - especially after adding Laine and Roslovic - played into it, but I doubt it's the driving factor.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 09, 2021, 03:28:21 PM
Quote from: Bender on February 09, 2021, 03:17:26 PM
Wonder if this is related to Torts in some way.

I get he had a connection with their GM, but Columbus seemed like such a strange choice for him. You'd think after such a long career with only 1 team a player like him would either a) sign with a legit contender for a final shot at a Cup or b) continue/finish his career back home in Finland. Columbus was very, very clearly neither of those options. Why uproot your entire life for a final season of maybe making the playoffs and losing in the 1st round? Especially during a pandemic.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on February 09, 2021, 04:41:33 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 09, 2021, 03:28:21 PM
Quote from: Bender on February 09, 2021, 03:17:26 PM
Wonder if this is related to Torts in some way.

I get he had a connection with their GM, but Columbus seemed like such a strange choice for him. You'd think after such a long career with only 1 team a player like him would either a) sign with a legit contender for a final shot at a Cup or b) continue/finish his career back home in Finland. Columbus was very, very clearly neither of those options. Why uproot your entire life for a final season of maybe making the playoffs and losing in the 1st round? Especially during a pandemic.
It's weird for sure. I thought they really needed him, especially with Dubois gone. Koivu is a faceoff beast. I don't like Torts. It wouldn't be shocking that his BS was a contributing factor. Stay and play a trap style game under his regime and get publically shamed every time you cross him. Forget about it.

I should note he had a great career, over 700 points and a class act, he will be missed.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on February 09, 2021, 05:49:35 PM
Koivu was always that Mats Sundin replacement I wanted to have the Leafs get years back.  Obviously not as good but just a guy who I always liked and had that laid back demeanor of just get the job done. 
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 09, 2021, 09:12:33 PM
https://twitter.com/BrianHedger/status/1359298400886341635
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: . on February 09, 2021, 09:14:20 PM
Haha, awesome. This will be a soap opera all season.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 10, 2021, 01:08:20 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1359548328611110916

Man, Eriksson really has to be on that short list of worst UFA signings of all time, huh? And he still has a year at 6 million left.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 10, 2021, 01:16:34 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 10, 2021, 01:08:20 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1359548328611110916

Man, Eriksson really has to be on that short list of worst UFA signings of all time, huh? And he still has a year at 6 million left.

Yeah. What an absolute failure of a signing. He was a reliable 20+ goal winger before he cashed in with that contract.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 10, 2021, 01:24:31 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 10, 2021, 01:16:34 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 10, 2021, 01:08:20 PM
Man, Eriksson really has to be on that short list of worst UFA signings of all time, huh? And he still has a year at 6 million left.

Yeah. What an absolute failure of a signing. He was a reliable 20+ goal winger before he cashed in with that contract.

He was always known as such a great two-way player during his Dallas/Boston days too. I'm more surprised that that element of his game isn't still there than I am to see his offensive numbers dry up.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 10, 2021, 02:04:31 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 10, 2021, 01:24:31 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 10, 2021, 01:16:34 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 10, 2021, 01:08:20 PM
Man, Eriksson really has to be on that short list of worst UFA signings of all time, huh? And he still has a year at 6 million left.

Yeah. What an absolute failure of a signing. He was a reliable 20+ goal winger before he cashed in with that contract.

He was always known as such a great two-way player during his Dallas/Boston days too. I'm more surprised that that element of his game isn't still there than I am to see his offensive numbers dry up.

I'm sure injuries and the fact that Vancouver has been a bad team since he signed play into it, but, part of me wonders if maybe he just stopped putting in the effort once he cashed in.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 10, 2021, 02:28:11 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 10, 2021, 01:08:20 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1359548328611110916

Man, Eriksson really has to be on that short list of worst UFA signings of all time, huh? And he still has a year at 6 million left.
No argument here. Also on that short list is Jeff Skinner, in the 2nd year of 8x9M with 1 assist in 10 games this year. Yikes.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 10, 2021, 02:32:15 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 10, 2021, 01:08:20 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1359548328611110916

I can see Fedun being claimed. He's not spectacular or anything, but he can be a solid 3rd pairing RHD for someone.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on February 10, 2021, 02:53:27 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on February 10, 2021, 02:28:11 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 10, 2021, 01:08:20 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1359548328611110916

Man, Eriksson really has to be on that short list of worst UFA signings of all time, huh? And he still has a year at 6 million left.
No argument here. Also on that short list is Jeff Skinner, in the 2nd year of 8x9M with 1 assist in 10 games this year. Yikes.

Skinner seems much worse to me.  They signed Skinner as a 26 year old to that contract.  14G 10A in 69GP so far in the contract.  He had a 31 point season with 18G in 2014-2015.  He was consistently a 50-60 point player his entire career.  I wouldn't have wanted to pay him 9M/year based on that production regardless but it's a pretty drastic drop off.


Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 10, 2021, 04:07:11 PM
Quote from: L K on February 10, 2021, 02:53:27 PM
Skinner seems much worse to me.  They signed Skinner as a 26 year old to that contract.  14G 10A in 69GP so far in the contract.  He had a 31 point season with 18G in 2014-2015.  He was consistently a 50-60 point player his entire career.  I wouldn't have wanted to pay him 9M/year based on that production regardless but it's a pretty drastic drop off.

Skinner might very well turn out worse but I think the thing about Eriksson is he's been bad every year of the deal. If Skinner is likewise it'll be worse but if he even has one, like, 20 goal and 60 point year he'll at least be contributing at some point.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 10, 2021, 05:00:17 PM
https://twitter.com/DallasStars/status/1359582297905913864

Weeeeak.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 10, 2021, 05:15:18 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 10, 2021, 05:00:17 PM
https://twitter.com/DallasStars/status/1359582297905913864

Weeeeak.
What am I missing?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on February 10, 2021, 05:18:46 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on February 10, 2021, 05:15:18 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 10, 2021, 05:00:17 PM
https://twitter.com/DallasStars/status/1359582297905913864

Weeeeak.
What am I missing?

Mavericks announced they're not doing the national anthems before their games.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 10, 2021, 05:22:01 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 10, 2021, 04:07:11 PM
Skinner might very well turn out worse but I think the thing about Eriksson is he's been bad every year of the deal. If Skinner is likewise it'll be worse but if he even has one, like, 20 goal and 60 point year he'll at least be contributing at some point.

Agreed. Skinner's never going to live up to that contract, but he's probably good for a couple 20+ goal, 60ish point years. He'll still be massively overpaid, and virtually everyone will cite his contract as the kind of mistake that can be made paying a player big money after an obviously unsustainable breakout year in their mid-to-late 20s, but he should still a least contribute some value.

Whereas, as things sit right now, the Canucks look like they're going to pay Eriksson $35M (a buyout would only save them $1M in real dollar, $2M in cap - I suspect they still make that move for the cap space alone, assuming they can't find a sucker a team willing to help them out) for 38-45 goals, 89-100 points, depending how much he actually plays this season.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on February 10, 2021, 06:30:45 PM
Quote from: Dappleganger on February 10, 2021, 05:18:46 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on February 10, 2021, 05:15:18 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 10, 2021, 05:00:17 PM
https://twitter.com/DallasStars/status/1359582297905913864

Weeeeak.
What am I missing?

Mavericks announced they're not doing the national anthems before their games.

Not entirely true.  The Mavericks haven't been doing the national anthem since the start of the year.  Someone finally commented on it and Cuban announced he wouldn't be doing it for the rest of the year......and then Adam Silver promptly sent out a release saying all 30 NBA teams will play the anthem.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 11, 2021, 04:13:58 PM
https://twitter.com/pim_brouwers/status/1359940007201538054
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on February 11, 2021, 05:11:04 PM
Interesting although I think that explains away stuff like shot location being off.  I don't really understand how that accounts for raw stats like shot or hit suddenly get missed.  Recording whether the shot took place at the top of the circle vs. the hash marks isn't really something I'm super worried about.  I think teams have enough video that if they want to judge quality scoring chances they are doing it off their own data and not the NHLs.  Missing outright counting stats seems bizarre to explain away by "there are fewer of us" unless you have a guy trying to do the data for multiple games at a time.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 12, 2021, 12:37:03 AM
So, Fleury's good again eh.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 13, 2021, 12:10:05 PM
https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1360601843890536450
Yo-yo party
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 13, 2021, 01:05:07 PM
https://twitter.com/byterryjones/status/1360626414748274689

I remember reading Frank Orr in the Star years ago. He was probably my first regular hockey columnist to read.

In the 1980s, he had a weekly (maybe monthly?) hockey trivia contest in the Toronto Star. The prize was a pair of gold seats at a Leaf game. Almost always the questions would be ones I didn't have the knowledge or resources to answer barely into my teens.

But then came this one question that I knew I could answer with my yearly edition of the NHL Record and Guide Book: Who are the only two players to win the Hart Trophy and the Lady Byng in the same season. Easy! I just have to cross-reference the two trophy winners, and boom, it's Wayne Gretzky and Stan Mikita.

I write out my answer and mail it in to Frank, with very high confidence that I'm winning those golds. Excitedly, I open the sports section the day he announces the winner. The announcement: Congratulations to some other guy, winner of the golds, runner-up me, winner of a Leafs calendar.

Oh, and I already had that year's calendar.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Highlander on February 13, 2021, 01:41:05 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on February 13, 2021, 01:05:07 PM
https://twitter.com/byterryjones/status/1360626414748274689

I remember reading Frank Orr in the Star years ago. He was probably my first regular hockey columnist to read.

In the 1980s, he had a weekly (maybe monthly?) hockey trivia contest in the Toronto Star. The prize was a pair of gold seats at a Leaf game. Almost always the questions would be ones I didn't have the knowledge or resources to answer barely into my teens.

But then came this one question that I knew I could answer with my yearly edition of the NHL Record and Guide Book: Who are the only two players to win the Hart Trophy and the Lady Byng in the same season. Easy! I just have to cross-reference the two trophy winners, and boom, it's Wayne Gretzky and Stan Mikita.

I write out my answer and mail it in to Frank, with very high confidence that I'm winning those golds. Excitedly, I open the sports section the day he announces the winner. The announcement: Congratulations to some other guy, winner of the golds, runner-up me, winner of a Leafs calendar.

Oh, and I already had that year's calendar.
f
Frank Orr was a helluva writer, always enjoyed his stuff. RIP Frank.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 13, 2021, 07:12:34 PM
Earlier today:
https://twitter.com/leafsalldayy/status/1360651916963905537

Now:
https://twitter.com/dylanfremlin/status/1360717682148970496
https://twitter.com/evolvinghockey/status/1360723858169491458
Lol Jets making analytics come true after Paul Maurice denounced it to defend Blake Wheeler.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 13, 2021, 09:57:07 PM
https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/1360765450582392835
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on February 13, 2021, 11:49:43 PM
Laine 4G 1A in 6GP
Roslovic 4G 5A in 9GP

Whether Laine stays in Columbus or not I just really don't see this being a trade that works out in Winnipeg's favour.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 16, 2021, 10:48:51 AM
https://twitter.com/KatieJStrang/status/1361668220789395458
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/JovialWeightyFrogmouth-small.gif)
This sounds like an HR nightmare
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 16, 2021, 10:56:38 AM
https://twitter.com/TheHockeyNews/status/1361684293332983815

wat?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on February 16, 2021, 11:01:40 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 16, 2021, 10:56:38 AM
https://twitter.com/TheHockeyNews/status/1361684293332983815

wat?

Zdeno will accept your apology:

QuoteCh?ra is an athletic ambassador for Right To Play. In July 2008, he spent two weeks in Africa, visiting Mozambique in support of the charity, and climbing Mount Kilimanjaro with former NHL player Robyn Regehr.[43][44]
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 16, 2021, 11:39:55 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 16, 2021, 10:56:38 AM
https://twitter.com/TheHockeyNews/status/1361684293332983815

wat?

https://twitter.com/lastpositivist/status/1361695612123627520
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 16, 2021, 11:53:18 AM
Quote from: herman on February 16, 2021, 10:48:51 AM
https://twitter.com/KatieJStrang/status/1361668220789395458

Bill Armstrong seriously thought he could intimidate/threaten Katie freaking Strang?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 16, 2021, 11:57:59 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 16, 2021, 11:53:18 AM
Bill Armstrong seriously thought he could intimidate/threaten Katie freaking Strang?

He also mansplained journalism ethics to her lol
It reads a lot like the White House of the past couple of years. Prominent big talk business man sweeps in to make the franchise great again with merchandise and bilking vendors and service providers and internal staff at every possible level.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 16, 2021, 11:59:32 AM
Quote from: herman on February 16, 2021, 11:57:59 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 16, 2021, 11:53:18 AM
Bill Armstrong seriously thought he could intimidate/threaten Katie freaking Strang?

He also mansplained journalism ethics to her lol

I just saw a picture of him and all of this became less surprising actually.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on February 16, 2021, 12:27:16 PM
Quote from: herman on February 16, 2021, 10:48:51 AM
https://twitter.com/KatieJStrang/status/1361668220789395458
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/JovialWeightyFrogmouth-small.gif)
This sounds like an HR nightmare
Fear and Loathing in the State Next to Las Vegas.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 16, 2021, 06:15:38 PM
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1361775543591464961
I will raise your HR nightmare to a PR debacle and maybe also throw in a litigation for good measure
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 16, 2021, 07:14:38 PM

Hate it when reporters harass my very well run hockey team for no reason at all.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 16, 2021, 07:28:13 PM
I really hope this ends up with Katie Strang owning the Coyotes.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on February 16, 2021, 09:16:21 PM
Their statement doesn?t support the Trump/My Pillow connection at all.  I?m half expecting Bergman to come out claiming he has no idea who Moruelo is because he was just some intern who got to BoG coffees
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 17, 2021, 09:43:16 AM
https://twitter.com/StapeAthletic/status/1362028461175488515
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on February 17, 2021, 12:28:49 PM
Quote from: herman on February 16, 2021, 06:15:38 PM
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1361775543591464961
I will raise your HR nightmare to a PR debacle and maybe also throw in a litigation for good measure

Just finished reading the Katie Strang article, man that was good.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 17, 2021, 11:48:42 PM
https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/1362244989867155456

I'm more of a Lemieux guy than Gretzky but Gretzky getting to 500 points in 234 games is pretty ridiculous.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on February 18, 2021, 01:41:26 AM
Quote from: Nik on February 17, 2021, 11:48:42 PM
https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/1362244989867155456

I'm more of a Lemieux guy than Gretzky but Gretzky getting to 500 points in 234 games is pretty ridiculous.
I'm surprised at Stastny actually. Maybe a bit of a forgotten player? I only started watching in the 90s so he never really came up as one of the greats.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on February 18, 2021, 08:59:34 AM
Quote from: Bender on February 18, 2021, 01:41:26 AM
Quote from: Nik on February 17, 2021, 11:48:42 PM
https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/1362244989867155456

I'm more of a Lemieux guy than Gretzky but Gretzky getting to 500 points in 234 games is pretty ridiculous.
I'm surprised at Stastny actually. Maybe a bit of a forgotten player? I only started watching in the 90s so he never really came up as one of the greats.
I remember Kent Nilsson too. The Magic Man
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 18, 2021, 11:54:39 AM
Quote from: Bender on February 18, 2021, 01:41:26 AM
Quote from: Nik on February 17, 2021, 11:48:42 PM
https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/1362244989867155456

I'm more of a Lemieux guy than Gretzky but Gretzky getting to 500 points in 234 games is pretty ridiculous.
I'm surprised at Stastny actually. Maybe a bit of a forgotten player? I only started watching in the 90s so he never really came up as one of the greats.
Yeah you started late. Stastny was awesome and started in 80/81 I believe. First player in NHL history to score 100 points in his rookie season.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 18, 2021, 12:25:28 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on February 18, 2021, 11:54:39 AM
Quote from: Bender on February 18, 2021, 01:41:26 AM
Quote from: Nik on February 17, 2021, 11:48:42 PM
https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/1362244989867155456

I'm more of a Lemieux guy than Gretzky but Gretzky getting to 500 points in 234 games is pretty ridiculous.
I'm surprised at Stastny actually. Maybe a bit of a forgotten player? I only started watching in the 90s so he never really came up as one of the greats.
Yeah you started late. Stastny was awesome and started in 80/81 I believe. First player in NHL history to score 100 points in his rookie season.
The NHL made such weird contortions that Gretzky was neither deemed an NHL rookie in 1979, nor was he ever draft eligible.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 18, 2021, 12:35:13 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on February 18, 2021, 12:25:28 PM
The NHL made such weird contortions that Gretzky was neither deemed an NHL rookie in 1979, nor was he ever draft eligible.

The draft thing was sort of understandable, considering the agreement made when the NHL absorbed the WHA. The idea that Gretzky wasn't a rookie, even though he was only 18 when his first NHL seasons started was absurd.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 18, 2021, 12:38:52 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 18, 2021, 12:35:13 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on February 18, 2021, 12:25:28 PM
The NHL made such weird contortions that Gretzky was neither deemed an NHL rookie in 1979, nor was he ever draft eligible.

The draft thing was sort of understandable, considering the agreement made when the NHL absorbed the WHA. The idea that Gretzky wasn't a rookie, even though he was only 18 when his first NHL seasons started was absurd.

Especially since Stastny spent 5 years in a professional league (but not one considered a "major" league by the NHL) before winning the Calder at the age of 23 immediately after.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 18, 2021, 12:52:47 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 18, 2021, 12:38:52 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 18, 2021, 12:35:13 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on February 18, 2021, 12:25:28 PM
The NHL made such weird contortions that Gretzky was neither deemed an NHL rookie in 1979, nor was he ever draft eligible.

The draft thing was sort of understandable, considering the agreement made when the NHL absorbed the WHA. The idea that Gretzky wasn't a rookie, even though he was only 18 when his first NHL seasons started was absurd.

Especially since Stastny spent 5 years in a professional league (but not one considered a "major" league by the NHL) before winning the Calder at the age of 23 immediately after.

Or Makarov winning it at 31 a decade later, after a lengthy playing career in Russia - which, at least, caused a change to the eligibility requirements.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 18, 2021, 01:29:48 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1362447243798851587
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1362450345016913923
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on February 18, 2021, 01:39:20 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 18, 2021, 01:29:48 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1362447243798851587
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1362450345016913923

I bet he's feeling super confident in his abilities.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 18, 2021, 01:42:35 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on February 18, 2021, 01:39:20 PM
I bet he's feeling super confident in his abilities.

I mean on the one hand it must be nice to know Winnipeg keeps wanting to bring him back. But yeah must be frustrating to know he can't break out of a #3 goalie spot. Especially since the teams that keep claiming him aren't even really giving him playing time.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 18, 2021, 11:37:28 PM
I turn the SJ-STL game on to catch the end of OT. St. Louis is about to go on the powerplay and I guess a timeout was called so both coaches were on video talking to their players, both took their masks off.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 19, 2021, 12:13:59 AM

From the "potentially worst contract in the league/my fantasy team is hot spicy garbage" department...what in the world is going on with Matt Duchene? 50 points in 82 games since coming to Nashville, playing with Forsberg and getting tons of PP time...and he's got 5 years left after this one at 8 million aav.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on February 19, 2021, 08:34:14 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 18, 2021, 11:37:28 PM
I turn the SJ-STL game on to catch the end of OT. St. Louis is about to go on the powerplay and I guess a timeout was called so both coaches were on video talking to their players, both took their masks off.

I get that for appearance sake, the coaches should be wearing their masks, but I don't see what it's doing to protect anyone in this instance.
If anything, the 23 guys, sitting shoulder to shoulder, spitting all over the place is what will cause a team outbreak. I've been shocked at how much the players have been spitting on the ice and bench. I know it's not more than normal, but after the past year, you certainly do notice it more.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 19, 2021, 09:29:43 AM
Quote from: Nik on February 19, 2021, 12:13:59 AM
From the "potentially worst contract in the league/my fantasy team is hot spicy garbage" department...what in the world is going on with Matt Duchene? 50 points in 82 games since coming to Nashville, playing with Forsberg and getting tons of PP time...and he's got 5 years left after this one at 8 million aav.

He's never really been able to consistently be more than a ~60 pt guy, and playing on a team without much offensive support in Nashville certainly isn't helping him there.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 19, 2021, 09:59:12 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 19, 2021, 09:29:43 AM
He's never really been able to consistently be more than a ~60 pt guy, and playing on a team without much offensive support in Nashville certainly isn't helping him there.

In a way though, the idea that Nashville doesn't have much offensive support is my point. For some reason talented offensive players there struggle to keep it going. Johansen went there looking like he'd be a perennial 30 goal, 65+ point guy and has struggled to score 20 with regularity. Forsberg seems to have stalled out. Arvidsson had three straight years of looking like a dangerous goal scorer before sputtering. And then with Josi/Ellis on the backend they should have enough talent to form two pretty solid offensive lines and a PP.

But I don't know if it's a system thing or what but even Subban went there and within a couple years went from being one of the more dynamic offensive players in the league to struggling to stay in the game.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 19, 2021, 10:09:31 AM
Nashville seems pretty long overdue for a GM/culture change.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 19, 2021, 10:10:58 AM
(https://hockeyviz.com/fixedImg/shotLocOff/2021/NSH)
Perhaps this can shed some light, at least about this season
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 19, 2021, 10:13:17 AM

Ah yes, I know what that distribution of colours means. It certainly does explain things. The colours should be different.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 19, 2021, 10:27:40 AM
Quote from: Nik on February 19, 2021, 10:13:17 AM

Ah yes, I know what that distribution of colours means. It certainly does explain things. The colours should be different.

It's less stark in previous seasons (over longer samples and different sets of injuries) but a similar pattern of primarily perimeter play, unless it's on the PP or Arvidsson gets yet another breakaway. Without actually watching their games, it looks like they have trouble coming off the wall on their cycles, so the forwards are left with ineffectual shots or low to high for even less effective shots (but at least it's a shot woohoo).
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 19, 2021, 11:08:02 AM
Quote from: Nik on February 19, 2021, 09:59:12 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 19, 2021, 09:29:43 AM
He's never really been able to consistently be more than a ~60 pt guy, and playing on a team without much offensive support in Nashville certainly isn't helping him there.

In a way though, the idea that Nashville doesn't have much offensive support is my point. For some reason talented offensive players there struggle to keep it going. Johansen went there looking like he'd be a perennial 30 goal, 65+ point guy and has struggled to score 20 with regularity. Forsberg seems to have stalled out. Arvidsson had three straight years of looking like a dangerous goal scorer before sputtering. And then with Josi/Ellis on the backend they should have enough talent to form two pretty solid offensive lines and a PP.

But I don't know if it's a system thing or what but even Subban went there and within a couple years went from being one of the more dynamic offensive players in the league to struggling to stay in the game.

I guess, but, I think there are more straightforward explanations for some of those drop offs. Other than Johansen, there's either a pretty clear correlation with them suffering a significant injury (Arvidsson, Subban, Ellis), or lack of production from linemates (Forsberg - off year last year, scoring goals at around his career norms this year, but not adding much in terms of assists). Josi's drop in production is harder to explain (outside of his teammates not being able to convert to help his assist totals).

The fact that Nashville plays a defence-first style certainly impacts point totals for these guys, but I think it's a smaller factor than the injuries and lack of depth.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 19, 2021, 11:55:58 AM

Turris is another one. His three healthy years in Ottawa he's basically a 60 point a year guy, he gets to Nashville and it looks like he forgot how to play hockey.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 19, 2021, 12:01:56 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 19, 2021, 11:55:58 AM
Turris is another one. His three healthy years in Ottawa he's basically a 60 point a year guy, he gets to Nashville and it looks like he forgot how to play hockey.

Also looks like it could be injury-related. He produced at roughly the same point/game rate with Nashville post trade, until he got hurt in January 2019. Then, his production collapsed.

I wonder if maybe this has something to do with Nashville's training/medical teams. There's a too many cases of a player's production evaporating after an injury for it to be a coincidence.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on February 19, 2021, 12:56:38 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 19, 2021, 09:59:12 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 19, 2021, 09:29:43 AM
He's never really been able to consistently be more than a ~60 pt guy, and playing on a team without much offensive support in Nashville certainly isn't helping him there.

In a way though, the idea that Nashville doesn't have much offensive support is my point. For some reason talented offensive players there struggle to keep it going. Johansen went there looking like he'd be a perennial 30 goal, 65+ point guy and has struggled to score 20 with regularity. Forsberg seems to have stalled out. Arvidsson had three straight years of looking like a dangerous goal scorer before sputtering. And then with Josi/Ellis on the backend they should have enough talent to form two pretty solid offensive lines and a PP.

But I don't know if it's a system thing or what but even Subban went there and within a couple years went from being one of the more dynamic offensive players in the league to struggling to stay in the game.

Its' weird, on paper they look like they should have pretty balanced offense.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 19, 2021, 01:16:25 PM
https://twitter.com/CMDeDominicis/status/1362754077801734146
Recall that Marco Rossi is also back in Austria recovering from prolonged Covid-related symptoms
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 19, 2021, 01:16:58 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 19, 2021, 12:01:56 PM
Also looks like it could be injury-related. He produced at roughly the same point/game rate with Nashville post trade, until he got hurt in January 2019. Then, his production collapsed.

I appreciate the instinct to try and find a rational explanation while I'm offering up Bermuda Triangle like nonsense but I think to some extent or another we're now at a point where there are too many cases of it, injury or not, where that is tough to buy as the reason.

I mean, take Forsberg again. Yeah, he's scoring goals at roughly his career norms but my counter to that is that he basically arrived as a rookie as a 30ish goal, 65 or so point guy and has never really progressed outside of one injury shortened year.

Anyways, maybe it's just some sort of issue with them and forwards? The last time they drafted and developed a forward who scored 20 for them was in 2014 when they drafted both Arvidsson and Fiala who did it once. Prior to that you have to go back to 2009 for Craig Smith. Then there's Colin Wilson who scored 20 once and then you have to back another 4 years to get Patric Hornqvist who, as crazy as it is to say, might be the single best offensive forward they've drafted in their 23 year history.

edit: I guess Radulov is the best offensive player they drafted but still, yeesh.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 19, 2021, 01:30:57 PM
I wonder if the Nashville curse applies to Eeli Tolvanen as well or if he's just a bit of a bust. Granted he's only 21 years old (22 in a couple months) but the hype around him was massive in 2018 when he crossed over to NA. He was expected to immediately step into Nashville's line-up and be a difference maker. Since then he's played in just 13 NHL games and his AHL numbers aren't even anything to go crazy over either.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 19, 2021, 04:10:24 PM
https://twitter.com/cotsonika/status/1362849695760932866

This looks pretty cool. It also gives yet another reason why playing on the actual lake itself might have been troublesome. *sigh* maybe one day.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 20, 2021, 02:26:24 PM
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1363189318274138115?s=19

Didn't see that one coming...
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 20, 2021, 03:42:18 PM

I'm not saying he should never coach again but for his next job to specifically be with younger players seems like a curious choice on the University's part.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 20, 2021, 03:46:29 PM
https://twitter.com/NJDevils/status/1363176250836213764

I cannot pretend to have watched a lot of Devils games over the last few years but it strikes me as a little odd to give this responsibility to a player this young who hasn't really had their breakout season yet.

Maybe he's universally loved in the locker room but if I had a #1 pick who had struggled to get past 55 points per 82 games I'd maybe want them to just focus on getting better without the burden of leadership.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 20, 2021, 04:11:50 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on February 20, 2021, 02:26:24 PM
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1363189318274138115?s=19

Didn't see that one coming...

https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1363178114705154054

Oh shoot, wrong thread, don't know why I posted this here.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 20, 2021, 04:29:53 PM
https://twitter.com/NHLonNBCSports/status/1363215334522683394
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 20, 2021, 05:04:18 PM

It's a very pretty game and makes for great TV but holy goodness does that ice look terrible.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on February 20, 2021, 05:23:51 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 20, 2021, 05:04:18 PM

It's a very pretty game and makes for great TV but holy goodness does that ice look terrible.
You'd think they'd know how to do this by now.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 20, 2021, 06:12:41 PM

They're postponing the game because of the ice for 7 hours, hoping to get in a second period when the sun goes down.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 20, 2021, 06:43:40 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 20, 2021, 03:46:29 PM
https://twitter.com/NJDevils/status/1363176250836213764

I cannot pretend to have watched a lot of Devils games over the last few years but it strikes me as a little odd to give this responsibility to a player this young who hasn't really had their breakout season yet.

Maybe he's universally loved in the locker room but if I had a #1 pick who had struggled to get past 55 points per 82 games I'd maybe want them to just focus on getting better without the burden of leadership.
Gabriel Landeskog has 52 points when named captain back in 2012..
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 20, 2021, 07:21:05 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on February 20, 2021, 06:43:40 PMGabriel Landeskog has 52 points when named captain back in 2012..

I'm not really sure what point you're making here. Landeskog has turned into a pretty good 3rd wheel on his line and Colorado has won 3 playoff series in his career. Feels like New Jersey should be aiming higher on both counts
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on February 20, 2021, 11:31:39 PM
Refs call a goal on the ice where Tkachuk shoves Koskinen. Coach challenges and EDM loses challenge and assessed a penalty. This is a Mickey Mouse league sometimes.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 21, 2021, 12:49:13 AM
Quote from: Bender on February 20, 2021, 11:31:39 PM
Refs call a goal on the ice where Tkachuk shoves Koskinen. Coach challenges and EDM loses challenge and assessed a penalty. This is a Mickey Mouse league sometimes.

For what it's worth I sort of agreed with that call. Tkachuk got pushed into the net by Nurse and while I think Tkachuk, like he always does, made the most of that opportunity I think if you're going to challenge what was called a goal on the ice you need something stronger than "The guy our defenseman cross-checked into the goalie interfered with him more than just being knocked down warranted". If you're going to wave off the goal there you'd at least have to give Nurse 2 minutes.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on February 21, 2021, 12:51:46 AM
Quote from: Nik on February 21, 2021, 12:49:13 AM
Quote from: Bender on February 20, 2021, 11:31:39 PM
Refs call a goal on the ice where Tkachuk shoves Koskinen. Coach challenges and EDM loses challenge and assessed a penalty. This is a Mickey Mouse league sometimes.

For what it's worth I sort of agreed with that call. Tkachuk got pushed into the net by Nurse and while I think Tkachuk, like he always does, made the most of that opportunity I think if you're going to challenge what was called a goal on the ice you need something stronger than "The guy our defenseman cross-checked into the goalie interfered with him more than just being knocked down warranted". If you're going to wave off the goal there you'd at least have to give Nurse 2 minutes.
I was actually kind of looking at Mangiapane's stick like how the Habs goal got overturned in the end but on further review it does look like they made the right call.

On another note, Calgary is getting eviscerated by McDavid + scrubs.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on February 21, 2021, 12:55:20 AM
Anyone have a link for the Lake Tahoe game? Not sure where to watch now.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on February 21, 2021, 01:05:16 AM
Quote from: Bender on February 21, 2021, 12:55:20 AM
Anyone have a link for the Lake Tahoe game? Not sure where to watch now.

SN1
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 21, 2021, 09:59:21 AM
https://twitter.com/EthanGarberTO/status/1363280926134964230
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 21, 2021, 03:35:29 PM
https://twitter.com/TheHockeyNews/status/1363564155870060544

QuoteThe NHL?s Department of Player Safety runs through senior vice-president George Parros, an ex-enforcer. While he prides himself on understanding how to play on the right side of the line ? he was never fined or suspended once as a player ? he balances out the department with director of player safety Ray Whitney. Known as a class act who epitomized clean play, compiling 1,064 points during a career that spanned 1,330 games across 22 seasons, he brings a unique skill-player perspective to the DOPS.

Me: oh neat, Whitney sounds like a great person to have at this job...

QuoteWHITNEY: A lot of times, and more often than not, I put the onus on the guys getting contact and getting hit, strictly because, when I played the game, I played half my career in the trenches, in the hook and hold ?90s with the fighting and the meanness. If you went to the net with Chris Pronger, you were going to get hit. You went to the net with Dave Manson, holy, you were going to feel something. So I grew up in an era that was pretty tough. I received a lot. I wasn?t giving a lot. So I really take pride in putting the onus on skill players to be able to take contact and be prepared for contact, to expect to be hit.

Me: nevermind
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 21, 2021, 10:53:37 PM
https://twitter.com/NHL/status/1363353163303108608
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 22, 2021, 12:53:03 AM
https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/1363681586106007554
Are the habs broken
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on February 22, 2021, 01:11:36 AM
Quote from: herman on February 22, 2021, 12:53:03 AM
https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/1363681586106007554
Are the habs broken
Yes.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on February 22, 2021, 09:10:19 AM
Quote from: Bender on February 22, 2021, 01:11:36 AM
Quote from: herman on February 22, 2021, 12:53:03 AM
https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/1363681586106007554
Are the habs broken
Yes.
That looked like 3 guys standing around at a bar just shooting the breeze
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on February 22, 2021, 09:17:09 AM
Quote from: herman on February 22, 2021, 12:53:03 AM
https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/1363681586106007554
Are the habs broken

That was absolutely horrible.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 22, 2021, 09:57:07 AM
3-on-3 OT is generally pretty weird/unstructured/chaotic so I'm usually not too hard on players for making what look like bad plays... but yeah that was something else.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 22, 2021, 09:58:35 AM
What a disinterested looking bunch there.

I don't think the Habs are broken. I think we're just seeing what kind of team they really are when they don't get to beat up on Vancouver.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on February 22, 2021, 10:52:19 AM
I watched the end of that game. OTT had them hemmed into their zone and those 3 were beat. Tkachuk had just come off the bench too.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on February 22, 2021, 11:27:01 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 22, 2021, 09:58:35 AM
What a disinterested looking bunch there.

I don't think the Habs are broken. I think we're just seeing what kind of team they really are when they don't get to beat up on Vancouver.

9-5-3 overall.
4-0-1 against Vancouver
1-2-1 against Toronto
2-1-0 against Edmonton
1-1-0 against Calgary
1-1-1 against Ottawa

So yeah 5-5-2 against everyone else and only above .500 against 2 teams.

They made some really nice additions and are a decent team but they just aren't the world-beaters that the first week of the season made them out to be.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 22, 2021, 11:48:40 AM
https://twitter.com/LeBronMaclean/status/1363688483500400642
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 22, 2021, 11:55:28 AM
https://twitter.com/NYP_Brooksie/status/1363869876562059276

Weird stuff.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 22, 2021, 12:02:24 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 22, 2021, 11:55:28 AM
https://twitter.com/NYP_Brooksie/status/1363869876562059276

Weird stuff.

Typical Russian stuff:

https://twitter.com/NYP_Brooksie/status/1363871995478302720
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on February 22, 2021, 12:56:19 PM
Quote from: L K on February 22, 2021, 11:27:01 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 22, 2021, 09:58:35 AM
What a disinterested looking bunch there.

I don't think the Habs are broken. I think we're just seeing what kind of team they really are when they don't get to beat up on Vancouver.

9-5-3 overall.
4-0-1 against Vancouver
1-2-1 against Toronto
2-1-0 against Edmonton
1-1-0 against Calgary
1-1-1 against Ottawa

So yeah 5-5-2 against everyone else and only above .500 against 2 teams.

They made some really nice additions and are a decent team but they just aren't the world-beaters that the first week of the season made them out to be.

They lack a real threat up front. There's no one that can put the team on their back like Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Nylander and outscore a team. Anderson and Toffoli are nice additions, but they don't fill the whole they've been lacking for over a decade. They had Pacioretty, but he never struck fear into the hearts of opposing teams. Gallagher hit 30 goals once, but he's more of a pain in the a$$ than a game breaker.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 22, 2021, 12:58:54 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 22, 2021, 12:02:24 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 22, 2021, 11:55:28 AM
https://twitter.com/NYP_Brooksie/status/1363869876562059276

Weird stuff.

Typical Russian stuff:

https://twitter.com/NYP_Brooksie/status/1363871995478302720

https://twitter.com/MollieeWalkerr/status/1363891239905611782
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on February 22, 2021, 01:05:25 PM
Oh, those Russians.....ra, ra....
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 22, 2021, 01:22:04 PM
The timing of this allegation - about a month after Panarin was very outspoken about his opinions on the Navalny situation - combined with Panarin's history of being critical of Putin definitely add a significant amount of doubt to these allegations. That doesn't mean they're not true, of course. There's just a clear odour to them.

If this story was coming from a more reputable source than a bunch of Putin sycophants, I'd be much more prone to believe there's something to this. However, so far, it's only from Putinites, so, lots of doubts.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on February 22, 2021, 01:26:31 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on February 22, 2021, 12:56:19 PM
Quote from: L K on February 22, 2021, 11:27:01 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 22, 2021, 09:58:35 AM
What a disinterested looking bunch there.

I don't think the Habs are broken. I think we're just seeing what kind of team they really are when they don't get to beat up on Vancouver.

9-5-3 overall.
4-0-1 against Vancouver
1-2-1 against Toronto
2-1-0 against Edmonton
1-1-0 against Calgary
1-1-1 against Ottawa

So yeah 5-5-2 against everyone else and only above .500 against 2 teams.

They made some really nice additions and are a decent team but they just aren't the world-beaters that the first week of the season made them out to be.

They lack a real threat up front. There's no one that can put the team on their back like Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Nylander and outscore a team. Anderson and Toffoli are nice additions, but they don't fill the whole they've been lacking for over a decade. They had Pacioretty, but he never struck fear into the hearts of opposing teams. Gallagher hit 30 goals once, but he's more of a pain in the a$$ than a game breaker.

Gallagher is on a 29 goal/82 game pace with a S% in and around his career avg.

Suzuki is pacing 60 points/82 games.  Kotkaniemi has been better than last year, and I think he's got another gear to shift into this season...maybe.

I think they're better than I'd prefer them to be, and I think they're better than Saturday night's outing showed...maybe.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 22, 2021, 01:35:53 PM
Quote from: Frank E on February 22, 2021, 01:26:31 PM
Gallagher is on a 29 goal/82 game pace with a S% in and around his career avg.

Suzuki is pacing 60 points/82 games.  Kotkaniemi has been better than last year, and I think he's got another gear to shift into this season...maybe.

I think they're better than I'd prefer them to be, and I think they're better than Saturday night's outing showed...maybe.

Yeah I mean they're not as good as they were to start the season but they're not as bad as they look right now.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on February 22, 2021, 01:45:38 PM
I know why they made the trade at the time but it would be interesting to see where the Habs would be if they hadn't done the Sergachev for Drouin trade.

Danault really confuses me so far this year.  He has 0 goals on the season but also only has 19 shots in 17 games and 39 total shot attempts.  He's been downright bad.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 22, 2021, 01:55:14 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 22, 2021, 01:22:04 PM
The timing of this allegation - about a month after Panarin was very outspoken about his opinions on the Navalny situation - combined with Panarin's history of being critical of Putin definitely add a significant amount of doubt to these allegations. That doesn't mean they're not true, of course. There's just a clear odour to them.

If this story was coming from a more reputable source than a bunch of Putin sycophants, I'd be much more prone to believe there's something to this. However, so far, it's only from Putinites, so, lots of doubts.

https://twitter.com/aiviskalnins/status/1363909164834127872
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on February 22, 2021, 02:31:51 PM
Quote from: Frank E on February 22, 2021, 01:26:31 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on February 22, 2021, 12:56:19 PM
Quote from: L K on February 22, 2021, 11:27:01 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 22, 2021, 09:58:35 AM
What a disinterested looking bunch there.

I don't think the Habs are broken. I think we're just seeing what kind of team they really are when they don't get to beat up on Vancouver.

9-5-3 overall.
4-0-1 against Vancouver
1-2-1 against Toronto
2-1-0 against Edmonton
1-1-0 against Calgary
1-1-1 against Ottawa

So yeah 5-5-2 against everyone else and only above .500 against 2 teams.

They made some really nice additions and are a decent team but they just aren't the world-beaters that the first week of the season made them out to be.

They lack a real threat up front. There's no one that can put the team on their back like Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Nylander and outscore a team. Anderson and Toffoli are nice additions, but they don't fill the whole they've been lacking for over a decade. They had Pacioretty, but he never struck fear into the hearts of opposing teams. Gallagher hit 30 goals once, but he's more of a pain in the a$$ than a game breaker.

Gallagher is on a 29 goal/82 game pace with a S% in and around his career avg.

Suzuki is pacing 60 points/82 games.  Kotkaniemi has been better than last year, and I think he's got another gear to shift into this season...maybe.

I think they're better than I'd prefer them to be, and I think they're better than Saturday night's outing showed...maybe.

I think that Gallagher is fine, at what he does. And I really like Suzuki. But 60 point paces or 29 goal paces don't really do much to move the needle.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on February 22, 2021, 02:41:03 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 22, 2021, 01:35:53 PM
Quote from: Frank E on February 22, 2021, 01:26:31 PM
Gallagher is on a 29 goal/82 game pace with a S% in and around his career avg.

Suzuki is pacing 60 points/82 games.  Kotkaniemi has been better than last year, and I think he's got another gear to shift into this season...maybe.

I think they're better than I'd prefer them to be, and I think they're better than Saturday night's outing showed...maybe.

Yeah I mean they're not as good as they were to start the season but they're not as bad as they look right now.

I agree with that sentiment. But there's no one in their pipeline that carry the status of a Marner or Matthews. Or Bergeron/Pastrnak/Marchand. Or Stamkos/Kucherov.
I'm sure someone will prove me wrong, but I think for teams to really compete, they need those players. They push them from being mediocre teams to actual competitors/contenders.

I actually hope for a good Montreal team. I don't want them to be better than Toronto, but I want them to be competitive. To me, the rivalry has dwindled in the last 15 years. Either the Leafs have been bad. Or the Habs have been bad. I miss the times when they both were strong teams. It's why, in my eyes, Boston has overtaken Montreal as the strongest rivalry. Constantly knowing you're just a step behind the Bruins, makes those games that much more intense, and exciting. Same as the late 90's/early 2000's when it was always about the Leafs and the Senators.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 22, 2021, 03:07:47 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on February 22, 2021, 02:41:03 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 22, 2021, 01:35:53 PM
Quote from: Frank E on February 22, 2021, 01:26:31 PM
Gallagher is on a 29 goal/82 game pace with a S% in and around his career avg.

Suzuki is pacing 60 points/82 games.  Kotkaniemi has been better than last year, and I think he's got another gear to shift into this season...maybe.

I think they're better than I'd prefer them to be, and I think they're better than Saturday night's outing showed...maybe.

Yeah I mean they're not as good as they were to start the season but they're not as bad as they look right now.

I agree with that sentiment. But there's no one in their pipeline that carry the status of a Marner or Matthews. Or Bergeron/Pastrnak/Marchand. Or Stamkos/Kucherov.
I'm sure someone will prove me wrong, but I think for teams to really compete, they need those players. They push them from being mediocre teams to actual competitors/contenders.

I actually hope for a good Montreal team. I don't want them to be better than Toronto, but I want them to be competitive. To me, the rivalry has dwindled in the last 15 years. Either the Leafs have been bad. Or the Habs have been bad. I miss the times when they both were strong teams. It's why, in my eyes, Boston has overtaken Montreal as the strongest rivalry. Constantly knowing you're just a step behind the Bruins, makes those games that much more intense, and exciting. Same as the late 90's/early 2000's when it was always about the Leafs and the Senators.

You're not excited about Tuch, Mysak?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 22, 2021, 03:08:46 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on February 22, 2021, 02:41:03 PM
I agree with that sentiment. But there's no one in their pipeline that carry the status of a Marner or Matthews. Or Bergeron/Pastrnak/Marchand. Or Stamkos/Kucherov.
I'm sure someone will prove me wrong, but I think for teams to really compete, they need those players. They push them from being mediocre teams to actual competitors/contenders.

It's strange, because Montreal's farm system is consistently ranked near the top of the league in terms of quality, but they are definitely lacking the franchise calibre prospects. They have potential to build a very deep roster, but without the high-end talent teams need to take that next step. It looks to me like they're prone to becoming stuck near the top of the mushy-middle of the pack.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 22, 2021, 03:19:09 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 22, 2021, 03:08:46 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on February 22, 2021, 02:41:03 PM
I agree with that sentiment. But there's no one in their pipeline that carry the status of a Marner or Matthews. Or Bergeron/Pastrnak/Marchand. Or Stamkos/Kucherov.
I'm sure someone will prove me wrong, but I think for teams to really compete, they need those players. They push them from being mediocre teams to actual competitors/contenders.

It's strange, because Montreal's farm system is consistently ranked near the top of the league in terms of quality, but they are definitely lacking the franchise calibre prospects. They have potential to build a very deep roster, but without the high-end talent teams need to take that next step. It looks to me like they're prone to becoming stuck near the top of the mushy-middle of the pack.

The only team off the top of my head that has pushed into contention/Cup winning status without the benefit of multiple top-5/10 picks is probably Boston. Except Montreal hasn't drafted anything remotely like Bergeron/Marchand/Pastrnak, while Price/Weber are drifting out of great into good. Maybe they take a good hard swing at pulling Crosby out of Pittsburgh (good luck).
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 22, 2021, 03:38:39 PM
Quote from: herman on February 22, 2021, 03:19:09 PM
The only team off the top of my head that has pushed into contention/Cup winning status without the benefit of multiple top-5/10 picks is probably Boston. Except Montreal hasn't drafted anything remotely like Bergeron/Marchand/Pastrnak, while Price/Weber are drifting out of great into good. Maybe they take a good hard swing at pulling Crosby out of Pittsburgh (good luck).

Well, I think the obvious one there is St. Louis. I think the hope is you can develop someone as good as Tarasenko and trade/acquire a O'Reilly surrogate.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 22, 2021, 03:40:08 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 22, 2021, 03:38:39 PM
Quote from: herman on February 22, 2021, 03:19:09 PM
The only team off the top of my head that has pushed into contention/Cup winning status without the benefit of multiple top-5/10 picks is probably Boston. Except Montreal hasn't drafted anything remotely like Bergeron/Marchand/Pastrnak, while Price/Weber are drifting out of great into good. Maybe they take a good hard swing at pulling Crosby out of Pittsburgh (good luck).

Well, I think the obvious one there is St. Louis. I think the hope is you can develop someone as good as Tarasenko and trade/acquire a O'Reilly surrogate.

Yeah. They haven't drafted in the top 10 since 2008, and that guy left the team this summer.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 22, 2021, 03:47:13 PM
I forgot St. Louis existed.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 22, 2021, 03:50:35 PM
Also, and this is kind of a side note, but does anyone else think the Bruins over the last 7-8 years have been a little overrated just because they've managed to beat the Leafs in the playoffs?

Like 17-18, they beat the Leafs and then get washed hard by Tampa in the second round. Last year, get by a mediocre Carolina team in the first round, again get beat significantly by Tampa in the second.

They had a playoff run in 18-19 because they beat the Leafs and then get incredibly lucky because Tampa, Washington and Pittsburgh all get knocked out of the first round by what were kind of inferior opponents. They beat Columbus and the Islanders on their way to the Finals.

Obviously you'd rather have their playoff record than ours but there's not a ton of quality there either.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 22, 2021, 03:57:54 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 22, 2021, 03:50:35 PM
Also, and this is kind of a side note, but does anyone else think the Bruins over the last 7-8 years have been a little overrated just because they've managed to beat the Leafs in the playoffs?

Like 17-18, they beat the Leafs and then get washed hard by Tampa in the second round. Last year, get by a mediocre Carolina team in the first round, again get beat significantly by Tampa in the second.

They had a playoff run in 18-19 because they beat the Leafs and then get incredibly lucky because Tampa, Washington and Pittsburgh all get knocked out of the first round by what were kind of inferior opponents. They beat Columbus and the Islanders on their way to the Finals.

Obviously you'd rather have their playoff record than ours but there's not a ton of quality there either.

3 straight 100+ point seasons. They're like the new San Jose Sharks - excellent in the regular season, but don't get deep into the playoffs much.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 22, 2021, 04:14:15 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 22, 2021, 03:57:54 PM
3 straight 100+ point seasons. They're like the new San Jose Sharks - excellent in the regular season, but don't get deep into the playoffs much.

Even if you go back to 13-14 where they win a President's trophy they beat a 93 point team in the first round, then get eliminated by a Habs team whose leading scorer had 60 points that year.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on February 22, 2021, 04:48:28 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 22, 2021, 03:50:35 PM
Also, and this is kind of a side note, but does anyone else think the Bruins over the last 7-8 years have been a little overrated just because they've managed to beat the Leafs in the playoffs?

Like 17-18, they beat the Leafs and then get washed hard by Tampa in the second round. Last year, get by a mediocre Carolina team in the first round, again get beat significantly by Tampa in the second.

They had a playoff run in 18-19 because they beat the Leafs and then get incredibly lucky because Tampa, Washington and Pittsburgh all get knocked out of the first round by what were kind of inferior opponents. They beat Columbus and the Islanders on their way to the Finals.

Obviously you'd rather have their playoff record than ours but there's not a ton of quality there either.

I know personally, that it's become a matter of waiting for them to drop off but they seem to continue being a top 10(top of the Atlantic) team. I mean last season, with only 14 regulation losses, it's pretty darn impressive that they just keep putting out this top flight team.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 22, 2021, 05:00:45 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on February 22, 2021, 04:48:28 PM
I know personally, that it's become a matter of waiting for them to drop off but they seem to continue being a top 10(top of the Atlantic) team. I mean last season, with only 14 regulation losses, it's pretty darn impressive that they just keep putting out this top flight team.

I guess but like I'm sort of saying here I wonder how much of that is Rask sort of masking a fairly mediocre bunch.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on February 22, 2021, 05:58:33 PM
I like the current Hockey Night in Canada "studio" crew. Maclean, Amber, Friedman, Stuart, Hrudey, and Bieksa. Pre-Covid when we were allowed to be social I would always watch the game but perhaps in the background and not listen to the intermission but now that I am watching alone I watch it all.

Shocked I am enjoying Kevin Bieksa as much as I have. Very blunt, and not polished but a good dynamic. His subtle trolling with his background photos is pretty funny too.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/bieksa-trolls-fiddler-hockey-night-in-canada-canucks (https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/bieksa-trolls-fiddler-hockey-night-in-canada-canucks)
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 22, 2021, 07:44:33 PM

Jeff Skinner is a healthy scratch.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 22, 2021, 07:48:48 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 22, 2021, 07:44:33 PM

Jeff Skinner is a healthy scratch.
1 assist in 14 games and still owed 52 mill after this year for 6 more. Horrible contract.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 23, 2021, 10:21:25 AM
I get the contract is awful and all but from 15/16 to 18/19 Skinner was 10th in the entire league in goals, and that includes a 40 goal season in the first year of his deal with Buffalo. And it's not even like he's that old or there's been an injury that's set him back. To go from being 10th in the league in goals over a 4-year span (would be a little less on a per game basis but still) to what he's doing now is pretty surprising. Wonder if this is entirely on him or if the coaching change has really hurt. Either way there has to be some scoring talent left there and the Sabres should pretty much be doing everything to find it.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 23, 2021, 10:24:55 AM
Quote from: Nik on February 22, 2021, 04:14:15 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 22, 2021, 03:57:54 PM
3 straight 100+ point seasons. They're like the new San Jose Sharks - excellent in the regular season, but don't get deep into the playoffs much.

Even if you go back to 13-14 where they win a President's trophy they beat a 93 point team in the first round, then get eliminated by a Habs team whose leading scorer had 60 points that year.
And in 2011 when the Bruins won the Cup, Boston came within a Game 7 Montreal point-shot post going in from being eliminated in the 1st round.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on February 23, 2021, 10:41:47 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 23, 2021, 10:21:25 AM
I get the contract is awful and all but from 15/16 to 18/19 Skinner was 10th in the entire league in goals, and that includes a 40 goal season in the first year of his deal with Buffalo. And it's not even like he's that old or there's been an injury that's set him back. To go from being 10th in the league in goals over a 4-year span (would be a little less on a per game basis but still) to what he's doing now is pretty surprising. Wonder if this is entirely on him or if the coaching change has really hurt. Either way there has to be some scoring talent left there and the Sabres should pretty much be doing everything to find it.
Hall has 1, Eichel 2... it's unbelievable. Coach? Culture?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 23, 2021, 10:49:34 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 23, 2021, 10:21:25 AM
I get the contract is awful and all but from 15/16 to 18/19 Skinner was 10th in the entire league in goals, and that includes a 40 goal season in the first year of his deal with Buffalo. And it's not even like he's that old or there's been an injury that's set him back. To go from being 10th in the league in goals over a 4-year span (would be a little less on a per game basis but still) to what he's doing now is pretty surprising. Wonder if this is entirely on him or if the coaching change has really hurt. Either way there has to be some scoring talent left there and the Sabres should pretty much be doing everything to find it.

Yeah. The drop off is pretty extreme. I think most people expected him to still be a ~25 goal, ~50 point guy who was being paid more like a 35+ goal, 70+ point player.

Interestingly, though, his goals/game in Buffalo is now the same as at it was in Carolina (0.35).
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 23, 2021, 10:59:05 PM
https://twitter.com/JamesCybulski/status/1364408404425383936?s=19
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 23, 2021, 11:34:29 PM
https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/1364408490601705473
Remember when Stutzle ripped one over Hutchinson from a weird angle? Lightning quick release of a heavy shot from stretched out oddly far ahead.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on February 23, 2021, 11:36:51 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 22, 2021, 03:50:35 PM
Also, and this is kind of a side note, but does anyone else think the Bruins over the last 7-8 years have been a little overrated just because they've managed to beat the Leafs in the playoffs?

Like 17-18, they beat the Leafs and then get washed hard by Tampa in the second round. Last year, get by a mediocre Carolina team in the first round, again get beat significantly by Tampa in the second.

They had a playoff run in 18-19 because they beat the Leafs and then get incredibly lucky because Tampa, Washington and Pittsburgh all get knocked out of the first round by what were kind of inferior opponents. They beat Columbus and the Islanders on their way to the Finals.

Obviously you'd rather have their playoff record than ours but there's not a ton of quality there either.

From this run-down, it doesn?t sound like the Bruins have underachieved in the playoffs. It simply sounds like they?ve been beaten by a better Tampa team a bunch of times.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on February 24, 2021, 09:00:44 AM
Quote from: Nik on February 22, 2021, 05:00:45 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on February 22, 2021, 04:48:28 PM
I know personally, that it's become a matter of waiting for them to drop off but they seem to continue being a top 10(top of the Atlantic) team. I mean last season, with only 14 regulation losses, it's pretty darn impressive that they just keep putting out this top flight team.

I guess but like I'm sort of saying here I wonder how much of that is Rask sort of masking a fairly mediocre bunch.

You may be 100% correct. It just seems like all their 2nd, 3rd line players all seem to turn out and their top 3 don't seem to drop off.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 24, 2021, 10:09:27 AM
Quote from: Nik on February 22, 2021, 05:00:45 PM
I guess but like I'm sort of saying here I wonder how much of that is Rask sort of masking a fairly mediocre bunch.

Outside of Vezina calibre numbers last season, Rask has been pretty average to slightly above average since 15/16, and his numbers this season aren't very good so far (at least, his Sv%, especially his 5-on-5), and Boston is still rolling. It certainly helps that they allow the least shots per game and have some of the best possession numbers in the league. I'd say it's more that their elite 1st line (including Marchand and Pastrnak's unsustainable shooting percentages) and stifling defensive structure (or, potentially, weaker competition - other than Washington and Pittsburgh, they face some, uhh, suspect offences) are propping up a mediocre offence.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on February 24, 2021, 10:25:36 AM
I'm kind of torn on that goal called back on Montreal.  Gallagher didn't need ot be in the blue paint.  Murray did get interfered with.  He took a weird approach to resetting himself and focused on swinging at Gallagher instead of getting back up.

4-5 seconds isn't a massive amount of time between the contact and the goal but what is the threshold for some incidental contact not being a part of the play?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: louisstamos on February 24, 2021, 10:37:16 AM
https://twitter.com/CanadiensMTL/status/1364584051529703427

:o
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 24, 2021, 10:39:39 AM
Quote from: L K on February 24, 2021, 10:25:36 AM
I'm kind of torn on that goal called back on Montreal.  Gallagher didn't need ot be in the blue paint.  Murray did get interfered with.  He took a weird approach to resetting himself and focused on swinging at Gallagher instead of getting back up.

4-5 seconds isn't a massive amount of time between the contact and the goal but what is the threshold for some incidental contact not being a part of the play?

I think the right call was made. Murray was clearly interfered with. He was spun around by Gallagher, and as he's trying to reset himself, Gallagher's skate makes contact with his stick (it doesn't look to me like Murray is swinging at Gallagher, but that's definitely up for interpretation). He never gets fully reset before the shot is released.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 24, 2021, 10:39:46 AM
As a Leafs fan who had a very high opinion of Julien as a coach, I approve of the Habs using him as their scapegoat.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on February 24, 2021, 10:41:46 AM
Just a speedbump for the "best team in Canada" on their way to winning the Cup cause Craig Button and Brian Burke told me so.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 24, 2021, 10:43:42 AM
Quote from: louisstamos on February 24, 2021, 10:37:16 AM
https://twitter.com/CanadiensMTL/status/1364584051529703427

:o

There's been some discontent among the Habs fans I know re: Julien.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on February 24, 2021, 10:46:12 AM
So safe to say this is Marc Bergevin's last kick at the can?  It's the second head coach he's hired and fired now, how many chances does he get?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 24, 2021, 10:57:31 AM
I actually like the idea that any team that loses to the sens this season 3 times needs to fire their coach. Keefe is on thin ice.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 24, 2021, 11:24:20 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 24, 2021, 10:39:46 AM
As a Leafs fan who had a very high opinion of Julien as a coach, I approve of the Habs using him as their scapegoat.

Going off exactly zero research, he seemed really good at getting a lot out of depth players, but doesn't quite maximize the skilled players.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 24, 2021, 11:27:48 AM
Quote from: herman on February 24, 2021, 11:24:20 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 24, 2021, 10:39:46 AM
As a Leafs fan who had a very high opinion of Julien as a coach, I approve of the Habs using him as their scapegoat.

Going off exactly zero research, he seemed really good at getting a lot out of depth players, but doesn't quite maximize the skilled players.

What skilled players?

I've said a number of times that I think Montreal has great forward depth, but I saw someone say today that the highest career single season points total for any of their forwards is 61, by Tatar. They've never had a big forward point producer there, and I'm not sure I place that blame on the coach.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 24, 2021, 11:44:08 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 24, 2021, 11:27:48 AM
Quote from: herman on February 24, 2021, 11:24:20 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 24, 2021, 10:39:46 AM
As a Leafs fan who had a very high opinion of Julien as a coach, I approve of the Habs using him as their scapegoat.

Going off exactly zero research, he seemed really good at getting a lot out of depth players, but doesn't quite maximize the skilled players.

What skilled players?

I've said a number of times that I think Montreal has great forward depth, but I saw someone say today that the highest career single season points total for any of their forwards is 61, by Tatar. They've never had a big forward point producer there, and I'm not sure I place that blame on the coach.

I'm going back to his Boston days here, where they won a lot but also stifling and shuffling off every high skill player that came through other than the ones that also have grind games.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 24, 2021, 11:44:26 AM
https://twitter.com/TheOakLeafs/status/1364589670110273538
I am weeping tears of joyous pain
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 24, 2021, 11:46:32 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 24, 2021, 11:27:48 AM
What skilled players?

I've said a number of times that I think Montreal has great forward depth, but I saw someone say today that the highest career single season points total for any of their forwards is 61, by Tatar. They've never had a big forward point producer there, and I'm not sure I place that blame on the coach.

Yeah. The Habs are a deep team, and that makes them difficult to play against, but they don't have any real high-end offensive talent up front. There are a few guys on the roster with potential to be somewhat threatening (Suzuki, especially, but also Kotkaniemi). But, right now? Their top goal scorer, Toffoli, has 8 in 5 games against Vancouver, 4 in 13 against the rest of the division, and there's not much to relied on from the rest of their roster. There's a reason they're 5-5-3 against the rest of the division.

The wrong parts of their leadership team were fired. It's Bergevin who deserves the axe.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 24, 2021, 11:56:20 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 24, 2021, 11:46:32 AM
The wrong parts of their leadership team were fired. It's Bergevin who deserves the axe.

If someone had to go right this instant yeah I would have placed more blame there. But I mean I'll even give Bergevin some credit for at least stacking the roster with 2nd liners in lieu of being able to land a big fish. Really they probably should have just stood pat and waited for Price to remember the season started.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 24, 2021, 11:58:13 AM
https://twitter.com/renlavoietva/status/1364604776810508292

I love that Bruce Boudreau is just sitting there patiently waiting for a turn on the coaching carousel but he's not eligible here because he doesn't speak French.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on February 24, 2021, 11:59:18 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 24, 2021, 11:46:32 AM

The wrong parts of their leadership team were fired. It's Bergevin who deserves the axe.

You are correct. After exceeding expectations in the bubble, and then coming out flying in the first couple weeks of the season, the coach is suddenly chopped? Is it Bergevin's hair that keeps him employed?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 24, 2021, 12:20:28 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on February 24, 2021, 11:59:18 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 24, 2021, 11:46:32 AM

The wrong parts of their leadership team were fired. It's Bergevin who deserves the axe.

You are correct. After exceeding expectations in the bubble, and then coming out flying in the first couple weeks of the season, the coach is suddenly chopped? Is it Bergevin's hair that keeps him employed?

He has a pair of guns pointed at the Molsons
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on February 24, 2021, 01:30:50 PM
Quote from: herman on February 24, 2021, 12:20:28 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on February 24, 2021, 11:59:18 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 24, 2021, 11:46:32 AM

The wrong parts of their leadership team were fired. It's Bergevin who deserves the axe.

You are correct. After exceeding expectations in the bubble, and then coming out flying in the first couple weeks of the season, the coach is suddenly chopped? Is it Bergevin's hair that keeps him employed?

He has a pair of guns pointed at the Molsons

Suns Out, Guns Out
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 24, 2021, 03:51:03 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1356766150722547717
https://twitter.com/EricEngels/status/1357023024470515718
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 24, 2021, 03:57:42 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/xUA7bbS9vCuWAzUQMw/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 24, 2021, 06:12:11 PM
https://twitter.com/jakebeleafs/status/1364692661312061443

https://twitter.com/mikeystephens81/status/1364693090213257222
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on February 25, 2021, 09:46:13 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on February 24, 2021, 06:12:11 PM
https://twitter.com/jakebeleafs/status/1364692661312061443

https://twitter.com/mikeystephens81/status/1364693090213257222

I love how analysts throw around "GM of the year" accolades after a good 10 game run.  Maybe wait a bit huh?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 25, 2021, 10:36:54 AM
Quote from: Zee on February 25, 2021, 09:46:13 AM
I love how analysts throw around "GM of the year" accolades after a good 10 game run.  Maybe wait a bit huh?

Especially when half those games were against the same team - and one that's clearly struggling. Montreal has Vancouver's number this season, but so does most of the division.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 25, 2021, 08:07:28 PM
https://twitter.com/amandacstein/status/1365089341194842118
https://twitter.com/account4hockey/status/1364947650433400837

Edit:
https://twitter.com/sabrespr/status/1365091062151335938
And now I?m bored again
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 25, 2021, 09:10:28 PM
https://twitter.com/NHLSafetyWatch/status/1365099502286352388
https://twitter.com/SamanthaJPell/status/1365098960310919170
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on February 25, 2021, 09:38:30 PM
https://twitter.com/mostlyleafies/status/1365108986501029889?s=21
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on February 25, 2021, 11:00:46 PM
Rittich was also pulled from the game.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 25, 2021, 11:15:32 PM
Quote from: Zee on February 25, 2021, 09:38:30 PM
https://twitter.com/mostlyleafies/status/1365108986501029889?s=21
Because of course.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 26, 2021, 09:12:42 AM
Used up all his luck in the two games against the Leafs. Or Nylander's pair of goals broke him.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on February 26, 2021, 09:59:40 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 25, 2021, 09:10:28 PM
https://twitter.com/NHLSafetyWatch/status/1365099502286352388

I just hate this. Even if it wasn't late, it's clearly a hit to an unexpecting opponent that is no longer involved in the play. It's a clear intent to hurt someone.

Hitting should only be allowed to separate someone from the puck.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 26, 2021, 10:06:19 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 26, 2021, 09:12:42 AM
Used up all his luck in the two games against the Leafs. Or Nylander's pair of goals broke him.

It's hard playing a back to back with travel
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 26, 2021, 10:50:08 AM
Quote from: Bullfrog on February 26, 2021, 09:59:40 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 25, 2021, 09:10:28 PM
https://twitter.com/NHLSafetyWatch/status/1365099502286352388

I just hate this. Even if it wasn't late, it's clearly a hit to an unexpecting opponent that is no longer involved in the play. It's a clear intent to hurt someone.

Hitting should only be allowed to separate someone from the puck.
I don't think it's a very very late hit as the poster suggests. Slow motion makes it look late but are we talking 1 second after puck contact? If hitting was only allowed to separate the puck, at least 90% of all hits would be penalties.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 26, 2021, 11:04:21 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on February 26, 2021, 10:50:08 AM
I don't think it's a very very late hit as the poster suggests. Slow motion makes it look late but are we talking 1 second after puck contact? If hitting was only allowed to separate the puck, at least 90% of all hits would be penalties.

Might be worth noting that the NHL's definition of a late hit is 0.6 seconds after a player has the puck. So it absolutely falls in that (my very rough/unscientific measurement of it was about 0.8 seconds).

I mean lots of players who actually value the safety of others on the ice would have at least let up a little bit there. Wilson absolutely had the time to do that and just chose not to.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 26, 2021, 11:34:56 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 26, 2021, 11:04:21 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on February 26, 2021, 10:50:08 AM
I don't think it's a very very late hit as the poster suggests. Slow motion makes it look late but are we talking 1 second after puck contact? If hitting was only allowed to separate the puck, at least 90% of all hits would be penalties.

Might be worth noting that the NHL's definition of a late hit is 0.6 seconds after a player has the puck. So it absolutely falls in that (my very rough/unscientific measurement of it was about 0.8 seconds).

I mean lots of players who actually value the safety of others on the ice would have at least let up a little bit there. Wilson absolutely had the time to do that and just chose not to.
Thanks for posting what's deemed late, I wasn't sure. I totally agree with your Wilson comment.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 26, 2021, 11:40:53 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 26, 2021, 11:04:21 AM
Might be worth noting that the NHL's definition of a late hit is 0.6 seconds after a player has the puck. So it absolutely falls in that (my very rough/unscientific measurement of it was about 0.8 seconds).

I mean lots of players who actually value the safety of others on the ice would have at least let up a little bit there. Wilson absolutely had the time to do that and just chose not to.

Agreed. Definitely late by the league's standards, and, also, completely unnecessary. That hit does nothing to separate the player from the puck, negate a scoring opportunity, etc. There's no reason to for that. In that circumstance, Wilson should have either let up and not made forceful contact or avoided the hit entirely.

If Jankowski had control of the puck, it would have been a good hit, but, at not point was that the case. He batted the puck out of mid-air. He was never really the puck carrier.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 28, 2021, 12:43:38 AM

I've watched the late game the last two HNIC's and I think Harnarayan Singh doing the play by play on the later game has been really good. Definitely a step up from Hughson.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 28, 2021, 11:40:14 AM
Quote from: Nik on February 28, 2021, 12:43:38 AM

I've watched the late game the last two HNIC's and I think Harnarayan Singh doing the play by play on the later game has been really good. Definitely a step up from Hughson.
Anyone is better then Hughson but that doesn't take away from Singh who is doing a great job.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 28, 2021, 02:16:00 PM
https://twitter.com/oldcanadaseries/status/1365780439802200064
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 28, 2021, 08:58:39 PM
https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/1366166306190467078

Jack Todd, sheesh.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 28, 2021, 09:49:25 PM

Looks like the Matthews thing has been edited out. This bit is still up though:

QuoteMontreal is a tough market. Much tougher than Toronto. The media and fans here are much more critical, they come at you in two different languages.

Like, ok? Maybe the dumbest flex of all time.


Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 28, 2021, 09:55:47 PM
Is Montr?al a tough media market? Yeah, absolutely. Is it harder than Toronto? I have my doubts. No one in media here was praising Dubas as GM of the year a few weeks into the season, even with the Leafs having the best record in the league. Media in Toronto doesn?t have the wild mood swings as Montreal, despite what fans of every other team would like you to believe. They?re not planning any parade.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on February 28, 2021, 10:17:24 PM
That whole city will insist the Leafs "aren't rivals", but they can't stop with stuff like this.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on February 28, 2021, 10:47:37 PM
He deleted it from his article and then Boasted about how he was still right anyway
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 01, 2021, 08:02:10 AM
Jack Todd is an idiot. Most Montreal fans I know think he's an idiot.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on March 01, 2021, 10:01:55 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on February 28, 2021, 08:58:39 PM
https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/1366166306190467078

Jack Todd, sheesh.

It must take effort on Jack's part to be that negative and full of vitriol on a daily basis.  This guy must be miserable in real life.  Take a step back Jack, enjoy life.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 01, 2021, 10:31:52 AM
It's sad to see how many good sports journalists, or even just journalists in general, lose their job every single year and yet clowns like this guy and Simmons apparently have jobs for life where they get to write whatever they want with no oversight whatsoever.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 01, 2021, 10:47:50 AM
Kind of feels good when it's other teams/fanbases that are rabidly trying to trade their (disgruntled) young franchise player.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 01, 2021, 11:29:45 AM
Let's check in on Buffalo:

https://twitter.com/ByMHarrington/status/1366151521705066496
https://twitter.com/BuffaloVogl/status/1366409735491244032
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Gerald The Duck on March 01, 2021, 11:41:53 AM
What they need is an young, exciting, developing winger like Jimmy Vesey. Package him with Tavares and we'll take Eichel off their hands. I mean it's devastating to lose Vesey but I just can't stand seeing Buffalo suffer like this.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 01, 2021, 12:00:04 PM
Quote from: Gerald The Duck on March 01, 2021, 11:41:53 AM
What they need is an young, exciting, developing winger like Jimmy Vesey. Package him with Tavares and we'll take Eichel off their hands. I mean it's devastating to lose Vesey but I just can't stand seeing Buffalo suffer like this.

I feel like a 3rd go around (even if only one of the two previous had him actually play for the team) with Vesey might not be in the cards. Their defence, however, could be bolstered by a young, high-ceiling defenceman - just like Martin Marincin.

In all seriousness, though, I can't see how Eichel finishes his contract in Buffalo. He's clearly unhappy about all the losing, and the team is going nowhere fast.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on March 01, 2021, 12:10:11 PM
What are the chances that Bergevin takes a swing and sells the entire farm to try and get Eichel?  They need an elite talent centerman and he would fit the bill.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on March 01, 2021, 12:28:01 PM
Quote from: Zee on March 01, 2021, 12:10:11 PM
What are the chances that Bergevin takes a swing and sells the entire farm to try and get Eichel?  They need an elite talent centerman and he would fit the bill.

I have no idea whether or not they'll try but I think A) they don't have the sort of singular high ceiling asset Buffalo would be looking for in return even if they included "the farm" and B) It's pretty unlikely that Buffalo would choose to trade him to a team that will probably be in their division post-quarantine.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 01, 2021, 12:32:45 PM
Quote from: Nik on March 01, 2021, 12:28:01 PM
I have no idea whether or not they'll try but I think A) they don't have the sort of singular high ceiling asset Buffalo would be looking for in return even if they included "the farm" and B) It's pretty unlikely that Buffalo would choose to trade him to a team that will probably be in their division post-quarantine.

Yup. Unless they're willing to give up the few good young pieces they have on their NHL roster, they just don't have the pieces to convince Buffalo to make that trade, regardless of the divisional rival aspect. Throw that in, and they shouldn't even bother picking up the phone, quite frankly.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 01, 2021, 12:56:57 PM
Eichel for Suzuki, Romanov, Drouin, and a 1st.

Assuming Eichel is at a point where he's flat-out demanding a trade and won't play for Buffalo in 21/22, who says no?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 01, 2021, 12:58:51 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 01, 2021, 12:56:57 PM
Eichel for Suzuki, Romanov, Drouin, and a 1st.

Assuming Eichel is at a point where he's flat-out demanding a trade and won't play for Buffalo in 21/22, who says no?

I'd say Montreal says no.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on March 01, 2021, 01:09:33 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 01, 2021, 12:56:57 PM
Eichel for Suzuki, Romanov, Drouin, and a 1st.

Assuming Eichel is at a point where he's flat-out demanding a trade and won't play for Buffalo in 21/22, who says no?

I still feel like Buffalo would be looking for a better deal either in terms of better immediately or getting someone higher ceiling. Like, if I'm Buffalo in that situation I'm only looking at that if I can't put together something with Florida for Barkov or something with LA or NJ for Byfield/Hughes.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 01, 2021, 01:14:12 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 01, 2021, 12:56:57 PM
Eichel for Suzuki, Romanov, Drouin, and a 1st.

Assuming Eichel is at a point where he's flat-out demanding a trade and won't play for Buffalo in 21/22, who says no?

Man, that trade would devastate Montreal without moving the needle enough for Buffalo. Habs say no first. Buffalo sits on it until they get better offers.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 01, 2021, 01:14:48 PM
Quote from: Nik on March 01, 2021, 01:09:33 PM
I still feel like Buffalo would be looking for a better deal either in terms of better immediately or getting someone higher ceiling. Like, if I'm Buffalo in that situation I'm only looking at that if I can't put together something with Florida for Barkov or something with LA or NJ for Byfield/Hughes.

An Eichel for Barkov swap would be super interesting and probably the best-case scenario for the Sabres. It would rely on getting Barkov signed to an extension though. Assuming the deal happens in the summer he'll have just 1 year left on his current deal vs. 5 for Eichel.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on March 01, 2021, 01:18:55 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 01, 2021, 01:14:12 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 01, 2021, 12:56:57 PM
Eichel for Suzuki, Romanov, Drouin, and a 1st.

Assuming Eichel is at a point where he's flat-out demanding a trade and won't play for Buffalo in 21/22, who says no?

Man, that trade would devastate Montreal without moving the needle enough for Buffalo. Habs say no first. Buffalo sits on it until they get better offers.

See my entire motivation here was trying to devastate the Habs to the point where they had Eichel and nothing else on the team.  How's about Suzuki, Caufield, Romanov + 1st
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: . on March 01, 2021, 01:22:44 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 01, 2021, 01:14:12 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 01, 2021, 12:56:57 PM
Eichel for Suzuki, Romanov, Drouin, and a 1st.

Assuming Eichel is at a point where he's flat-out demanding a trade and won't play for Buffalo in 21/22, who says no?

Man, that trade would devastate Montreal without moving the needle enough for Buffalo. Habs say no first. Buffalo sits on it until they get better offers.

If Buffalo decides to do the correct thing, and blow it up, I wonder if making Skinner part of the package makes things more palatable in terms of not gutting the team acquiring Eichel.

Not sure of the habs cap situation, but if it was Eichel and Skinner (perhaps a bit retained) for Suzuki and 2 1st rounders and some $ off the roster, perhaps doable?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 01, 2021, 01:27:56 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 01, 2021, 01:14:12 PM
Man, that trade would devastate Montreal without moving the needle enough for Buffalo. Habs say no first. Buffalo sits on it until they get better offers.

I certainly tried to load up the offer on Montreal's end, but I think "devastate" is probably pushing it. Obviously Eichel is a pretty big upgrade on Suzuki. I've always said Montreal did a good job loading up on wing depth so losing Drouin isn't the end of the world when they still have Gallagher, Anderson, Toffoli, plus a guy like Tatar if they can re-sign him or Caufield is he's ready to play. Even past that Lehkonen and Byron are good 3rd line options. I think they have the wing depth to make Drouin expendable in a trade like this. Romanov is a good young D but also someone who is probably getting a tad overhyped by Montreal's media/fan base. Losing a 1st rounder hurts a lot when you're also giving up young guys like they are in a deal like this but Montreal has a lot of picks this year (two 2nds, and then three picks in each of the 3rd, 4th, and 5th rounds) so at least their scouts will still have stuff to do.

From Buffalo's perspective, I agree that ideally they look for the best 1 for 1 swap possible like Nik suggested. But those don't always materialize when you're trading a guy as good as Eichel. This deal at least gives them a future 1C to replace him (albeit a lower ceiling one) plus some valuable pieces to keep them competitive since I'm sure ownership isn't looking to do a barebones rebuild all over again.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on March 01, 2021, 01:28:16 PM
Quote from: Frycer14 on March 01, 2021, 01:22:44 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 01, 2021, 01:14:12 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 01, 2021, 12:56:57 PM
Eichel for Suzuki, Romanov, Drouin, and a 1st.

Assuming Eichel is at a point where he's flat-out demanding a trade and won't play for Buffalo in 21/22, who says no?

Man, that trade would devastate Montreal without moving the needle enough for Buffalo. Habs say no first. Buffalo sits on it until they get better offers.

If Buffalo decides to do the correct thing, and blow it up, I wonder if making Skinner part of the package makes things more palatable in terms of not gutting the team acquiring Eichel.

Not sure of the habs cap situation, but if it was Eichel and Skinner (perhaps a bit retained) for Suzuki and 2 1st rounders and some $ off the roster, perhaps doable?

6 1/2 years left on that Skinner deal, man what the hell were the Sabres thinking?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on March 01, 2021, 01:33:01 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 01, 2021, 01:14:48 PM
An Eichel for Barkov swap would be super interesting and probably the best-case scenario for the Sabres. It would rely on getting Barkov signed to an extension though. Assuming the deal happens in the summer he'll have just 1 year left on his current deal vs. 5 for Eichel.

Or here's another one, can you put together some sort of thing that essentially boils down to Eichel for Pastrnak? Pastrnak's scoring numbers are slightly better but Boston gets the #1 C of the future to replace Bergeron and gets to build around a local guy.

edit: I don't know, maybe I'm just undervaluing Suzuki here but I really think there are a bunch of teams better suited to make a "for now" deal than Montreal and, and I admit this is a stretch, but even like a team like Detroit I think might be better situated if they can offer what figures to be at least a top 3 pick and other pieces.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on March 01, 2021, 01:36:20 PM
Quote from: Frycer14 on March 01, 2021, 01:22:44 PM
Not sure of the habs cap situation, but if it was Eichel and Skinner (perhaps a bit retained) for Suzuki and 2 1st rounders and some $ off the roster, perhaps doable?

Right now Montreal has about a million and a half in cap space. They have five long term, substantial cap hit deals signed with Anderson(5.5), Gallagher(6.5), Weber(7.8 ), Petry(6.25) and Price(10.5).

Adding just Eichel seems tricky enough long term cap wise unless you basically strip the rest of the team for parts but there's no way they can viably take on Skinner as well.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on March 01, 2021, 01:36:48 PM
Who are we kidding, Eichel is probably gonna end up on the Rangers just because. They can put together a package for him and him on broadway is the kind of American exposure he would probably love.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on March 01, 2021, 02:36:48 PM
Eichel/Skinner/Hall 3 goals for $27M!
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 01, 2021, 02:59:00 PM
Not as good as the Muzzin video, but still pretty good:

https://twitter.com/Jomboy_/status/1366434507629420547
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on March 01, 2021, 04:15:36 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 01, 2021, 02:59:00 PM
Not as good as the Muzzin video, but still pretty good:

https://twitter.com/Jomboy_/status/1366434507629420547
It's funny how every SJ player he went after was more confused than mad.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 01, 2021, 06:27:34 PM
Are GMs able to trade themselves?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 01, 2021, 08:25:34 PM
https://twitter.com/tsn_sports/status/1366540427390812162
Warm up with buckets on
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on March 01, 2021, 10:36:53 PM
https://twitter.com/senstalk_/status/1366577460754677760?

Let the chaos continue!
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: . on March 01, 2021, 10:42:19 PM
It feels like there's essentially 3 teams dining out on the tire fires that the make up the other 3 teams. And at least 1 of those teams (ahem, edmonton) are overachieving because of those 3.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 02, 2021, 10:14:07 AM
Florida is 13-4-4 with a measly goal differential of +7.
Tampa is 14-4-1 with a goal differential of +30.

Their records *look* close, but they're not really close.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 02, 2021, 10:56:28 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 02, 2021, 10:14:07 AM
Florida is 13-4-4 with a measly goal differential of +7.
Tampa is 14-4-1 with a goal differential of +30.

Their records *look* close, but they're not really close.

Tampa has 13 regulation wins, Florida has 9.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 02, 2021, 04:31:57 PM
Quote from: herman on March 02, 2021, 10:56:28 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 02, 2021, 10:14:07 AM
Florida is 13-4-4 with a measly goal differential of +7.
Tampa is 14-4-1 with a goal differential of +30.

Their records *look* close, but they're not really close.

Tampa has 13 regulation wins, Florida has 9.

Also, Florida is 8-1-4 in one goal games, 5-3 in games decided by more than 1 goal. Tampa is 2-0-1 is 1 goal games, 12-4 in games decided by more than one. Tampa is flat-out beating teams. Florida is largely just squeaking by them - they've also mostly had to come from behind at some point in the majority of their games, allowing the other team to score first in 14 of 21 (Tampa's not drastically better there - allowing the first goal in 9 of 19).

The Leafs, meanwhile, are 7-1-2 in one goal games, 10-3 in games decided by more than 1, and have scored first in 15 of 23.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 02, 2021, 09:54:19 PM
https://twitter.com/nhl_watcher/status/1366890264720257031
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 02, 2021, 11:44:58 PM
https://twitter.com/hockeystatscz/status/1366919560780275712
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 03, 2021, 12:05:13 AM
https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1366958033394401282

Problem solved.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 03, 2021, 09:15:36 AM
Sean Burke is, supposedly, the goalie whisperer, so, maybe?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on March 03, 2021, 09:48:21 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 03, 2021, 09:15:36 AM
Sean Burke is, supposedly, the goalie whisperer, so, maybe?

Price's MVP year coincided with Waite coming on board so now he's the issue and not Price?  OK.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on March 03, 2021, 10:30:43 AM
Quote from: Zee on March 03, 2021, 09:48:21 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 03, 2021, 09:15:36 AM
Sean Burke is, supposedly, the goalie whisperer, so, maybe?

Price's MVP year coincided with Waite coming on board so now he's the issue and not Price?  OK.

I mean it's possible.  Goalie coaches aren't any less prone to getting tunnel vision.  Torts coaches his way and doesn't adapt well to his lineup.  It doesn't mean that he can't catch lightning in a bottle and win a cup.  It also doesn't mean he is the guy who is going to develop Patrick Laine into an MVP.

Waite might have used up all his tricks or doesn't have a way to fix what is wrong with Price (if he is fixable)

That being said, I'm not sure why Price still gets the mystique tag attached to him when he has been just ok for a long while.  He won the MVP in 2014-2015
2014-2015 - 1st in SV%
2015-2016 - Injured his MCL and only played 12 games
2016-2017 - 7th in SV%
2017-2018 - 30th in SV%
2018-2019 - 10th in SV%
2019-2020 - 13th in SV%
2020-2021 - 34th in SV% (10GP threshold)

He's still a really good goalie but he hasn't been that best goaltender for 5 years.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 03, 2021, 10:46:30 AM
Quote from: Zee on March 03, 2021, 09:48:21 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 03, 2021, 09:15:36 AM
Sean Burke is, supposedly, the goalie whisperer, so, maybe?

Price's MVP year coincided with Waite coming on board so now he's the issue and not Price?  OK.

Coaches get stale (for lack of a better term). It's one of those jobs that people taking them have to know that any position is going to be short-term. It's rare that any kind of coach in professional sports has a tenure that reaches into double digits these days. Coaches need to adapt and evolve along with changes to the game, players, etc., and sometimes, they need to take time away from teams to figure that out. It's easier to learn and adapt when the pressure to succeed and the stress that comes with failure aren't there, after all.

Waite may have been a great coach for Roy 7 years ago. But, 7 years is a long time in pro sports.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 03, 2021, 12:12:17 PM
Quote from: herman on March 02, 2021, 11:44:58 PM
https://twitter.com/hockeystatscz/status/1366919560780275712

https://twitter.com/PensInsideScoop/status/1366959835972071427
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on March 03, 2021, 01:19:31 PM
Quote from: L K on March 03, 2021, 10:30:43 AM
Quote from: Zee on March 03, 2021, 09:48:21 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 03, 2021, 09:15:36 AM
Sean Burke is, supposedly, the goalie whisperer, so, maybe?

Price's MVP year coincided with Waite coming on board so now he's the issue and not Price?  OK.

I mean it's possible.  Goalie coaches aren't any less prone to getting tunnel vision.  Torts coaches his way and doesn't adapt well to his lineup.  It doesn't mean that he can't catch lightning in a bottle and win a cup.  It also doesn't mean he is the guy who is going to develop Patrick Laine into an MVP.

Waite might have used up all his tricks or doesn't have a way to fix what is wrong with Price (if he is fixable)

That being said, I'm not sure why Price still gets the mystique tag attached to him when he has been just ok for a long while.  He won the MVP in 2014-2015
2014-2015 - 1st in SV%
2015-2016 - Injured his MCL and only played 12 games
2016-2017 - 7th in SV%
2017-2018 - 30th in SV%
2018-2019 - 10th in SV%
2019-2020 - 13th in SV%
2020-2021 - 34th in SV% (10GP threshold)

He's still a really good goalie but he hasn't been that best goaltender for 5 years.

I agree.  Price had a dominant run of 3-4 seasons there culminating in the MVP but he hasn't been the same since.  Maybe it's just a natural decline due to age and build up of injuries over the years but whatever it is I surely hope it's not fixable.  :D
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 03, 2021, 02:05:13 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1367145087256432641
Goalie coach is probably a non-factor during games, but still...
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 03, 2021, 02:08:29 PM
Quote from: herman on March 03, 2021, 02:05:13 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1367145087256432641
Goalie coach is probably a non-factor during games, but still...
The media asked him if he talked with Price before making the move. Bergevin said I don't consult with players before making moves.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 03, 2021, 02:09:26 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 03, 2021, 12:05:13 AM
https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1366958033394401282

Problem solved.

It's a simple case of it being easier to fire the coach than the player
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 03, 2021, 02:10:34 PM
Quote from: herman on March 03, 2021, 02:05:13 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1367145087256432641
Goalie coach is probably a non-factor during games, but still...

And that sounds like Bergevin questioned Waite about why his goalies he was coaching were performing so poorly and Waite told him to go eat his hat.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Highlander on March 03, 2021, 06:25:54 PM
I believe he said to eat his hair!
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 03, 2021, 11:46:39 PM
https://twitter.com/Capitals/status/1367299357192691712

lol
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 03, 2021, 11:49:50 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 03, 2021, 11:46:39 PM
https://twitter.com/Capitals/status/1367299357192691712

lol
Wait until you see the separator OV gave him later on.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 03, 2021, 11:50:51 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on March 03, 2021, 11:49:50 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 03, 2021, 11:46:39 PM
https://twitter.com/Capitals/status/1367299357192691712

lol
Wait until you see the separator OV gave him later on.
https://twitter.com/PeteBlackburn/status/1367302360549236736

Ouch...
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 03, 2021, 11:55:27 PM
https://twitter.com/TaylorHaasePGH/status/1367275372212027394

What a great catch haha
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on March 04, 2021, 12:02:29 AM
https://www.tmz.com/2021/03/01/todd-bertuzzi-dui-arrest-nhl-hockey-drunk-driving/
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 04, 2021, 12:13:36 AM
Jack Todd again, lol.

https://twitter.com/Gweezo/status/1367311762400415752
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on March 04, 2021, 12:17:54 AM
The Leafs adding a forward before the deadline is more interesting than a sens/habs game.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 04, 2021, 12:54:47 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 04, 2021, 12:13:36 AM
Jack Todd again, lol.

https://twitter.com/Gweezo/status/1367311762400415752

It's really not a story. He was corrected by a poster that said he actually caught the show halfway through, which he thanked the poster. Of course he didn't delete his tweet lol.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 04, 2021, 09:38:27 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on March 04, 2021, 12:54:47 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 04, 2021, 12:13:36 AM
Jack Todd again, lol.

https://twitter.com/Gweezo/status/1367311762400415752

It's really not a story. He was corrected by a poster that said he actually caught the show halfway through, which he thanked the poster. Of course he didn't delete his tweet lol.
Yes, that's the actual story I was drawing attention to: Jack using being wrong to invent a fake controversy, then not doing anything about any of it when called out.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 04, 2021, 10:59:54 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 03, 2021, 11:50:51 PM
https://twitter.com/PeteBlackburn/status/1367302360549236736

Ouch...

https://twitter.com/NHLPlayerSafety/status/1367486635626156036?s=20
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on March 04, 2021, 11:05:43 AM
Watching the highlights of that game I'm reminded of how much I'm not looking forward to playing Boston again.  Frederic tried to drop the gloves with Ovechkin earlier in the game.  No penalty.  Frederic crosschecks and slashes at Ovechkin all game. 

Ovechkin probably deserved more than a fine for a spear.  I don't understand how the refs don't give it a major penalty like it should have been.  At the same time there is something wrong with a guy with 3 points to his name chasing down a Hall of Fame bound goal scorer trying to start crap and getting away with it.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 04, 2021, 11:43:02 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 04, 2021, 09:38:27 AM
Yes, that's the actual story I was drawing attention to: Jack using being wrong to invent a fake controversy, then not doing anything about any of it when called out.

What's even the controversy though? That anything about the Leafs gets more attention than the Habs firing their goalie coach? I mean, yeah, that sounds accurate.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 04, 2021, 12:11:16 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 04, 2021, 11:43:02 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 04, 2021, 09:38:27 AM
Yes, that's the actual story I was drawing attention to: Jack using being wrong to invent a fake controversy, then not doing anything about any of it when called out.

What's even the controversy though? That anything about the Leafs gets more attention than the Habs firing their goalie coach? I mean, yeah, that sounds accurate.
I'm struggling to accurately gauge your intentional snark quotient here.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 04, 2021, 12:15:43 PM
Quote from: Deebo on March 04, 2021, 12:17:54 AM
The Leafs adding a forward before the deadline is more interesting than a sens/habs game.

Sure is.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 04, 2021, 04:29:15 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 03, 2021, 11:55:27 PM
https://twitter.com/TaylorHaasePGH/status/1367275372212027394

What a great catch haha

https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1367572179790004224
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on March 04, 2021, 04:43:09 PM
Ah yes, the problem was the staffer who photoshopped the fans to have proper mask usage and not the fact that you had people not following the mask requirements.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 04, 2021, 04:48:03 PM
Quote from: L K on March 04, 2021, 04:43:09 PM
Ah yes, the problem was the staffer who photoshopped the fans to have proper mask usage and not the fact that you had people not following the mask requirements.

And, it's not like they even put masks on people who weren't wearing them. Those people were cropped out. The staffer just fixed the masks on the idiots who weren't wearing them properly.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on March 04, 2021, 04:50:41 PM

Anyone really think a rogue staffer did this on his own volition?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on March 04, 2021, 06:58:48 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 02, 2021, 10:14:07 AM
Florida is 13-4-4 with a measly goal differential of +7.
Tampa is 14-4-1 with a goal differential of +30.

Their records *look* close, but they're not really close.

I think I saw somewhere that most of the best teams records have been spent beating up bad teams as well. This whole divisional comparison really needs to go out the window this year.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 04, 2021, 07:32:32 PM
Quote from: Bender on March 04, 2021, 06:58:48 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 02, 2021, 10:14:07 AM
Florida is 13-4-4 with a measly goal differential of +7.
Tampa is 14-4-1 with a goal differential of +30.

Their records *look* close, but they're not really close.

I think I saw somewhere that most of the best teams records have been spent beating up bad teams as well. This whole divisional comparison really needs to go out the window this year.

https://twitter.com/thomasdrance/status/1367530554472554498
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 05, 2021, 12:37:04 AM
https://twitter.com/WayneGretzky/status/1367693683416571904
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on March 05, 2021, 01:06:14 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 05, 2021, 12:37:04 AM
https://twitter.com/WayneGretzky/status/1367693683416571904
Sad news. My thoughts are with the Gretzky's. Coincidence but it's just a couple days after they knocked down the old Wayne Gretzkys bar.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Groundskeeper Willie on March 05, 2021, 10:29:29 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 05, 2021, 12:37:04 AM
https://twitter.com/WayneGretzky/status/1367693683416571904
I've lived most of my life not too far from Brantford and I've never heard of anybody that had a bad experience with him. It's so rare to find people that everyone likes.

I'm many ways he was the quintessential Canadian that we all like to portray. Very kind and very generous
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on March 05, 2021, 11:40:56 AM
Blackhawks are surprisingly good. With Seabrooks retirement and those $ becoming available and Kane playing as well as he is I wouldn't be surprised if they throw the rebuild out the window. If Toews comes back they could be a force this year.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 05, 2021, 01:21:44 PM
Quote from: cabber24 on March 05, 2021, 11:40:56 AM
Blackhawks are surprisingly good. With Seabrooks retirement and those $ becoming available and Kane playing as well as he is I wouldn't be surprised if they throw the rebuild out the window. If Toews comes back they could be a force this year.

https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1367869333511299073
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 05, 2021, 01:49:03 PM
Quote from: herman on March 05, 2021, 01:21:44 PM
Quote from: cabber24 on March 05, 2021, 11:40:56 AM
Blackhawks are surprisingly good. With Seabrooks retirement and those $ becoming available and Kane playing as well as he is I wouldn't be surprised if they throw the rebuild out the window. If Toews comes back they could be a force this year.

https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1367869333511299073
He'll just go on LTIR until the contract runs out. Hopefully he can overcome his injuries and enjoy the rest of his life.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on March 05, 2021, 02:21:38 PM
Jim Benning has mentioned the pandemic at least 3-4 times during his presser to explain the issues the Canucks have.  Apparently the pandemic only affects Vancouver.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2021, 03:21:49 PM
https://twitter.com/BuffaloVogl/status/1367671953138593793
https://twitter.com/BuffaloVogl/status/1367672684197380098

I dunno, maybe he shouldn't be playing right now?

He's played in 4 games since his bout with Covid, averaging 21:34 a game. In one of those games he played over 24 minutes. And his coach is basically talking about how it's a miracle he can even skate.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 05, 2021, 11:40:57 PM
https://twitter.com/ConorRyan_93/status/1367999812336033792

So glad Wilson isn't in the Leafs division, particularly with this DOPS.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 06, 2021, 12:43:18 AM
https://twitter.com/adater/status/1368057539863011331

Wow, that's unexpectedly brutal.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on March 06, 2021, 08:44:47 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 05, 2021, 11:40:57 PM
https://twitter.com/ConorRyan_93/status/1367999812336033792

So glad Wilson isn't in the Leafs division, particularly with this DOPS.

Yeah but the Leafs need to be tougher so that guys like Wilson don't cheap shot....checks notes....Boston
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 06, 2021, 08:59:26 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 05, 2021, 11:40:57 PM
https://twitter.com/ConorRyan_93/status/1367999812336033792

So glad Wilson isn't in the Leafs division, particularly with this DOPS.

Good to see the Bruins shove it down his throat with 3 goals on the PP
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 06, 2021, 06:16:13 PM
Tom Wilson has scored 50 goals since he signed his new deal for 2018.

Since that signing, Wilson was suspended 20 regular season games (2018) that an arbitrator cut down to 14 after he served 16 games, so he's up quite a bit on my prediction that he'll have more suspensions than goals for the lifetime of the contract. Sounds like there's some catching up coming.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on March 06, 2021, 06:56:10 PM
Quote from: herman on March 06, 2021, 06:16:13 PM
Tom Wilson has scored 50 goals since he signed his new deal for 2018.

Since that signing, Wilson was suspended 20 regular season games (2018) that an arbitrator cut down to 14 after he served 16 games, so he's up quite a bit on my prediction that he'll have more suspensions than goals for the lifetime of the contract. Sounds like there's some catching up coming.
Just get him out of the friging league already. This is insane.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 06, 2021, 07:03:38 PM
https://twitter.com/j15emerson/status/1368290618783363073
America!
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 06, 2021, 08:07:34 PM
https://twitter.com/TheHockeyNews/status/1368343779846000642

Wow
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 07, 2021, 09:36:48 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 06, 2021, 08:07:34 PM
https://twitter.com/TheHockeyNews/status/1368343779846000642

Wow

There's no thinking there. That's all instinct and reaction. What a beauty.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on March 07, 2021, 09:43:52 AM
Quote from: herman on March 06, 2021, 06:16:13 PM
Tom Wilson has scored 50 goals since he signed his new deal for 2018.

Since that signing, Wilson was suspended 20 regular season games (2018) that an arbitrator cut down to 14 after he served 16 games, so he's up quite a bit on my prediction that he'll have more suspensions than goals for the lifetime of the contract. Sounds like there's some catching up coming.

7 games.  I think the approach of giving him lesser punishment for repeat offenses is a good one
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on March 07, 2021, 01:09:56 PM

The thing about people defending Wilson that I'll never get is that despite all the quibbling about what makes for a legal vs. illegal hit and "did he wait .5 seconds to hit him or .7 seconds" or did he intentionally target the head or whatever is that it's clear that Wilson is the kind of player who either intentionally tries to hurt people or plays so recklessly that he doesn't care if he hurts people and I just cannot for the life of me understand anyone who thinks that's something that should be in the game.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 07, 2021, 08:46:19 PM
https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/1368721114130743296

https://twitter.com/HockeyHoundShow/status/1368701640199577602
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 07, 2021, 09:24:22 PM
https://twitter.com/2Murphy8/status/1368723033221959687

Oh, come on...
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 08, 2021, 08:49:46 AM
Brad Marchand is a hypocrite? Never would have guessed.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 08, 2021, 09:06:10 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 08, 2021, 08:49:46 AM
Brad Marchand is a hypocrite? Never would have guessed.
I know!
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 08, 2021, 11:51:27 AM
Quote from: Nik on March 07, 2021, 01:09:56 PM
The thing about people defending Wilson that I'll never get is that despite all the quibbling about what makes for a legal vs. illegal hit and "did he wait .5 seconds to hit him or .7 seconds" or did he intentionally target the head or whatever is that it's clear that Wilson is the kind of player who either intentionally tries to hurt people or plays so recklessly that he doesn't care if he hurts people and I just cannot for the life of me understand anyone who thinks that's something that should be in the game.

Wholeheartedly agree. I'm all for guys who throw hard hits and make other teams pay the price physically. I can't get behind guys who are out there either trying to hurt other players or simply not caring if they do. There needs to be a minimum level of respect for the players on the other team. When a guy has the kind of track record Wilson does, you can't look at him and say "oh, he just made a mistake" or it's just an isolated incident. It's a pattern with him. It's who he is as a player, and that part of him doesn't belong in the game.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 08, 2021, 11:53:28 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 07, 2021, 09:24:22 PM
https://twitter.com/2Murphy8/status/1368723033221959687

Oh, come on...

One of the worst penalty calls I've seen in a long time.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 08, 2021, 12:24:47 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 08, 2021, 11:53:28 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 07, 2021, 09:24:22 PM
https://twitter.com/2Murphy8/status/1368723033221959687

Oh, come on...

One of the worst penalty calls I've seen in a long time.
It's crazy. He is clearly pushed into the goalie and literally bends over backwards to avoid hitting him. The goalie is barely touched and the play easily comes to a stop at the net. There's plays like this literally all the time.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 08, 2021, 12:49:22 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 08, 2021, 12:24:47 PM
It's crazy. He is clearly pushed into the goalie and literally bends over backwards to avoid hitting him. The goalie is barely touched and the play easily comes to a stop at the net. There's plays like this literally all the time.

There's much more significant contact that doesn't get called, but this nothing play does? Officiating in the NHL is like a box of chocolates . . .
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 08, 2021, 12:50:51 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 07, 2021, 09:24:22 PM
https://twitter.com/2Murphy8/status/1368723033221959687

Oh, come on...
He intentionally went out of his way towards the goalie hoping to get "bumped" into him. There is absolutely no other reason then that because the goalie had it covered, play was over. If the puck was loose, different story. I have no issue with a penalty being called there.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 08, 2021, 02:58:00 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on March 08, 2021, 12:50:51 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 07, 2021, 09:24:22 PM
https://twitter.com/2Murphy8/status/1368723033221959687

Oh, come on...
He intentionally went out of his way towards the goalie hoping to get "bumped" into him. There is absolutely no other reason then that because the goalie had it covered, play was over. If the puck was loose, different story. I have no issue with a penalty being called there.
Yeah, I don't see it that way. He shoots the puck at the goalie then circles in for the unlikely case that there's a rebound or a fumble, which players are taught to do. The defensemen aren't even challenging his path to the net assuming the play is dead. His trajectory is clearly taking him towards a stop a couple of feet in front of the net. But then the forward covering Konecny gets his stick up high while lifting Konecny's stick, and K gets his arm up defensively and is knocked off balance by the forward then shoved by the defenseman.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 08, 2021, 02:59:59 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 08, 2021, 02:58:00 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on March 08, 2021, 12:50:51 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 07, 2021, 09:24:22 PM
https://twitter.com/2Murphy8/status/1368723033221959687

Oh, come on...
He intentionally went out of his way towards the goalie hoping to get "bumped" into him. There is absolutely no other reason then that because the goalie had it covered, play was over. If the puck was loose, different story. I have no issue with a penalty being called there.
Yeah, I don't see it that way. He shoots the puck at the goalie then circles in for the unlikely case that there's a rebound or a fumble, which players are taught to do. The defensemen aren't even challenging his path to the net assuming the play is dead. His trajectory is clearly taking him towards a stop a couple of feet in front of the net. But then the forward covering Konecny gets his stick up high while lifting Konecny's stick, and K gets his arm up defensively and is knocked off balance by the forward then shoved by the defenseman.

It's a BS call but I don't think Konecny is innocent on the play. I think that you are correct, he was initially circling in for a rebound, but when he know there wasn't one, he made sure that he caused some havoc. I don't mind the play in the least though.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 08, 2021, 03:03:05 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 08, 2021, 02:58:00 PM
Yeah, I don't see it that way. He shoots the puck at the goalie then circles in for the unlikely case that there's a rebound or a fumble, which players are taught to do. The defensemen aren't even challenging his path to the net assuming the play is dead. His trajectory is clearly taking him towards a stop a couple of feet in front of the net. But then the forward covering Konecny gets his stick up high while lifting Konecny's stick, and K gets his arm up defensively and is knocked off balance by the forward then shoved by the defenseman.

Yup. If he's allowed to follow his path unimpeded, he comes to a stop about 18 inches or so in front the goaltender.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 08, 2021, 05:05:57 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1369015063995154432

Hey, here's some rule proposals that have nothing to do with the Oilers draft history.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 08, 2021, 05:21:59 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1369026000575733765

So, clean slate for everyone? Sure, why not?

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1369026779520921610
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 09, 2021, 11:54:59 AM
https://twitter.com/ThePHWA/status/1237122478935244807

One year ago today.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on March 09, 2021, 12:08:59 PM
You know what I haven't remotely noticed as being different since the pandemic started....the frequency of irrelevant media quotes from post-game scrums.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 09, 2021, 12:37:20 PM
Quote from: L K on March 09, 2021, 12:08:59 PM
You know what I haven't remotely noticed as being different since the pandemic started....the frequency of irrelevant media quotes from post-game scrums.

Yup. The scrums haven't disappeared. They've just gone virtual and become much more organized as a result.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on March 09, 2021, 12:50:10 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 09, 2021, 12:37:20 PM
Quote from: L K on March 09, 2021, 12:08:59 PM
You know what I haven't remotely noticed as being different since the pandemic started....the frequency of irrelevant media quotes from post-game scrums.

Yup. The scrums haven't disappeared. They've just gone virtual and become much more organized as a result.

I have always found it kind of weird that beat reporters feel the need to be in the change room to get their quotes.  It just seems like a bizarre and unnecessary place to have questions asked.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on March 09, 2021, 02:05:15 PM
Quote from: L K on March 09, 2021, 12:50:10 PM
I have always found it kind of weird that beat reporters feel the need to be in the change room to get their quotes.  It just seems like a bizarre and unnecessary place to have questions asked.

I think the idea is that you want to talk to guys immediately before they might cool down and their media training kicks in so while I agree that most media interactions in locker rooms feel unnecessary because it's just the same platitudes you always hear just with a partially dressed player I would say that the only times I've heard players say anything interesting at all it's been in locker rooms with the possible exception of the Iverson "practice" speech.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on March 09, 2021, 06:58:05 PM
Quote from: Nik on March 09, 2021, 02:05:15 PM
Quote from: L K on March 09, 2021, 12:50:10 PM
I have always found it kind of weird that beat reporters feel the need to be in the change room to get their quotes.  It just seems like a bizarre and unnecessary place to have questions asked.

I think the idea is that you want to talk to guys immediately before they might cool down and their media training kicks in so while I agree that most media interactions in locker rooms feel unnecessary because it's just the same platitudes you always hear just with a partially dressed player I would say that the only times I've heard players say anything interesting at all it's been in locker rooms with the possible exception of the Iverson "practice" speech.

From my experience (all be it in minor backwater European hockey) of speaking to players and coaches for interviews, the immediate after the game when emotions were still raw, particularly if there had been contentious moments, got some brilliant interviews.

I remember putting one interview out which got the head coach fined. Oops. But I asked him if he was 100% sure he wanted it to go out before I hit upload. We did a whip round collection to help pay his fine.

When you do an arranged interview, while some players or coaches were much chatty and forthcoming, it was a totally different dynamic when they weren't hyped up and had time to properly consider their responses.

(For the record we did the interviews on the bench. Thankfully. The locker rooms smelt like nothing else I've ever smelt)
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 09, 2021, 07:40:14 PM
This is pretty wonderful
https://twitter.com/ma_perreaulttva/status/1369143153161170947
https://twitter.com/ma_perreaulttva/status/1369152992012771335
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 10, 2021, 09:25:03 PM
https://twitter.com/LLysowski/status/1369653396769304584

Lol, yikes.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on March 10, 2021, 10:09:19 PM
Well this sucks:

https://twitter.com/Maren_Angus/status/1369750944750178310?s=20
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 11, 2021, 03:04:46 PM
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1370084010823725058

Last month Babcock said the Leafs "made sure we finished last to get Auston Matthews".
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 11, 2021, 03:32:36 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 11, 2021, 03:04:46 PM
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1370084010823725058

Last month Babcock said the Leafs "made sure we finished last to get Auston Matthews".

By hiring Tonya Harding to ensure Kadri and JvR and Bozak were all finishing the season early, AND rig the lottery balls.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 11, 2021, 03:57:21 PM
Quote from: herman on March 11, 2021, 03:32:36 PM
By hiring Tonya Harding to ensure Kadri and JvR and Bozak were all finishing the season early, AND rig the lottery balls.

Maybe tanking is actually good if it helps encourage players to not play through injuries and actually heal properly.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on March 11, 2021, 11:27:37 PM

The dodge league officials use, and it's all leagues the NBA is as guilty of this as anyone, is that they'll say "tanking" involves actual players and coaches intentionally trying to lose games vs. just front offices purposefully putting together bad teams.

It's bogus and bullcrap but they'll never say anything publicly ever because they still want people to buy tickets and watch the games of teams who are clearly tanking.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on March 11, 2021, 11:32:06 PM
https://twitter.com/jacobnitzberg/status/1370202860206632965

Starting to feel genuinely bad for Laine now.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 12, 2021, 12:13:04 AM
https://twitter.com/NHL_Watcher/status/1370222035302019072

Second credible media member to float this theory now.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 12, 2021, 01:05:38 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 12, 2021, 12:13:04 AM
https://twitter.com/NHL_Watcher/status/1370222035302019072

Second credible media member to float this theory now.

He wants to take on the challenge that is Buffalo.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on March 12, 2021, 01:18:51 PM
I suppose it's possible, but I find that suggestion pretty unlikely. How badly would that hurt his credibility?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 12, 2021, 01:33:35 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on March 12, 2021, 01:18:51 PM
I suppose it's possible, but I find that suggestion pretty unlikely. How badly would that hurt his credibility?

He turns 63 in June, not saying that he couldn't coach longer if he wanted but he might just feel like this is his last stop.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 12, 2021, 05:07:09 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 12, 2021, 01:05:38 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 12, 2021, 12:13:04 AM
https://twitter.com/NHL_Watcher/status/1370222035302019072

Second credible media member to float this theory now.

He wants to take on the challenge that is Buffalo.
It's time for a 1-for-1 coach trade, Columbus and Buffalo.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 12, 2021, 05:11:22 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 12, 2021, 01:33:35 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on March 12, 2021, 01:18:51 PM
I suppose it's possible, but I find that suggestion pretty unlikely. How badly would that hurt his credibility?

He turns 63 in June, not saying that he couldn't coach longer if he wanted but he might just feel like this is his last stop.
Maybe he wants to be available for Seattle...?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on March 12, 2021, 05:16:05 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 12, 2021, 05:11:22 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 12, 2021, 01:33:35 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on March 12, 2021, 01:18:51 PM
I suppose it's possible, but I find that suggestion pretty unlikely. How badly would that hurt his credibility?

He turns 63 in June, not saying that he couldn't coach longer if he wanted but he might just feel like this is his last stop.
Maybe he wants to be available for Seattle...?

Might be an interesting place to finish his coaching career.  You get the island of misfit 2nd/3rd liners who have something to prove and 1-3 years of Torts probably stays under the worn out welcome territory.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 12, 2021, 05:21:08 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 12, 2021, 05:11:22 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 12, 2021, 01:33:35 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on March 12, 2021, 01:18:51 PM
I suppose it's possible, but I find that suggestion pretty unlikely. How badly would that hurt his credibility?

He turns 63 in June, not saying that he couldn't coach longer if he wanted but he might just feel like this is his last stop.
Maybe he wants to be available for Seattle...?

He's actually in the last year of his contract, which is partially fueling speculation since coaches rarely go into seasons in that lame duck position.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 12, 2021, 06:13:01 PM
https://twitter.com/joesmithtb/status/1370416910999900165

Boy Tampa sure would be in a pickle if he got medical clearance to play a week or two before playoffs start. Sure is convenient he won't get the green light until right after the cap stops to matter.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on March 12, 2021, 06:19:36 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 12, 2021, 06:13:01 PM
https://twitter.com/joesmithtb/status/1370416910999900165

Boy Tampa sure would be in a pickle if he got medical clearance to play a week or two before playoffs start. Sure is convenient he won't get the green light until right after the cap stops to matter.
Just happened to work out perfectly for Tampa eh? What a surprise
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 12, 2021, 06:40:23 PM
Quote from: Zee on March 12, 2021, 06:19:36 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 12, 2021, 06:13:01 PM
https://twitter.com/joesmithtb/status/1370416910999900165

Boy Tampa sure would be in a pickle if he got medical clearance to play a week or two before playoffs start. Sure is convenient he won't get the green light until right after the cap stops to matter.
Just happened to work out perfectly for Tampa eh? What a surprise

Remember when other GMs complained that Leafs prospects got to use team facilities during the summer lol
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on March 12, 2021, 06:49:22 PM
https://twitter.com/LWashingtonTV/status/1370232757616451584?s=19
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 13, 2021, 10:59:16 AM
Who wore it better
https://twitter.com/nathangraviteh/status/1370582811233579011
https://twitter.com/briancrd/status/1370448577831444484

The Hamilton puck went to Boston along with the Seguin pick as part of the Kessel deal to Toronto. Boston eventually spun Seguin into Loui Eriksson (lol) and Hamilton for the aforementioned Zachary Senyshyn.

Boston won a Cup in there somewhere, so at least there is that
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on March 13, 2021, 11:28:20 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 12, 2021, 06:40:23 PM
Quote from: Zee on March 12, 2021, 06:19:36 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 12, 2021, 06:13:01 PM
https://twitter.com/joesmithtb/status/1370416910999900165

Boy Tampa sure would be in a pickle if he got medical clearance to play a week or two before playoffs start. Sure is convenient he won't get the green light until right after the cap stops to matter.
Just happened to work out perfectly for Tampa eh? What a surprise

Remember when other GMs complained that Leafs prospects got to use team facilities during the summer lol

Sure am glad that it is going to take 57 days to recover from injury. 
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on March 13, 2021, 11:33:33 AM
Quote from: L K on March 13, 2021, 11:28:20 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 12, 2021, 06:40:23 PM
Quote from: Zee on March 12, 2021, 06:19:36 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 12, 2021, 06:13:01 PM
https://twitter.com/joesmithtb/status/1370416910999900165

Boy Tampa sure would be in a pickle if he got medical clearance to play a week or two before playoffs start. Sure is convenient he won't get the green light until right after the cap stops to matter.
Just happened to work out perfectly for Tampa eh? What a surprise

Remember when other GMs complained that Leafs prospects got to use team facilities during the summer lol

Sure am glad that it is going to take 57 days to recover from injury.
Medical science is wondrous now that it can tell me down to the day whether players are fit to play or not!
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 13, 2021, 07:50:39 PM
https://twitter.com/BuffaloVogl/status/1370760024226729986

Word seems to be he's out for 8 weeks, which is basically the rest of the regular season. Could Eichel have played his last game as a Sabre?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 14, 2021, 12:38:47 AM
https://twitter.com/DimFilipovic/status/1370955415727448068
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 14, 2021, 05:03:17 PM
https://twitter.com/HeresYourReplay/status/1370923623716941826
https://twitter.com/HeresYourReplay/status/1371076569800839168

Not even a penalty, by the way.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 14, 2021, 05:10:11 PM
No penalty? Brutal. Should be 2 minutes to Suzuki for getting in Backlund's way.

-guy who reffed the game last night, probably
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 15, 2021, 08:26:31 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 14, 2021, 12:38:47 AM
https://twitter.com/DimFilipovic/status/1370955415727448068

Edmonton should put that up in their locker room. That picture kind of describes their last 4 or 5 seasons pretty accurately.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 15, 2021, 08:29:29 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 14, 2021, 12:38:47 AM
https://twitter.com/DimFilipovic/status/1370955415727448068

So this was fine but Engvall being in Daccord's crease as the puck was already going by him is a no-goal?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on March 15, 2021, 07:52:27 PM
The Lightning losing 4-1 to the Preds makes me feel a bit better.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Groundskeeper Willie on March 15, 2021, 07:55:22 PM
Quote from: Bender on March 15, 2021, 07:52:27 PM
The Lightning losing 4-1 to the Preds makes me feel a bit better.
They lost to Detroit two games ago too. It doesn't matter how good a team is, no game in this league is a guaranteed win in the age of parity.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 15, 2021, 09:34:50 PM
https://twitter.com/mikepfeil_/status/1371631649859936260
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 15, 2021, 10:04:58 PM
No penalty on the play... good to know that refs can review all sorts of ticky tacky crap but when a player does that and a ref "misses" it they're completely helpless.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 15, 2021, 10:30:57 PM
https://twitter.com/BrendanKeany/status/1371633836627464194

I feel like this is bad.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: wnc096 on March 15, 2021, 11:12:19 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 15, 2021, 10:04:58 PM
No penalty on the play... good to know that refs can review all sorts of ticky tacky crap but when a player does that and a ref "misses" it they're completely helpless.

If they called a penalty like they should have,  khaira wouldn't have fought and got knocked out.  Officiating has been atrocious this season
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 15, 2021, 11:26:21 PM
Quote from: wnc096 on March 15, 2021, 11:12:19 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 15, 2021, 10:04:58 PM
No penalty on the play... good to know that refs can review all sorts of ticky tacky crap but when a player does that and a ref "misses" it they're completely helpless.

If they called a penalty like they should have,  khaira wouldn't have fought and got knocked out.  Officiating has been atrocious this season
On the flipside...If Khaira didn't throw a check like that he wouldn't have had to fight...refs have def been brutal this year.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 16, 2021, 07:11:12 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 15, 2021, 09:34:50 PM
https://twitter.com/mikepfeil_/status/1371631649859936260

I don't like anyone getting hit in the head, but I kind of agree with the call. There's no extension of the arm, he actually tries to lead with the hip and he lets up big time on the play.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 16, 2021, 09:28:04 AM
https://twitter.com/BuffaloVogl/status/1371814925950185472

Just give us Hall already.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 16, 2021, 10:36:32 AM
Some sobering news:
https://twitter.com/suihkonen77/status/1371772660892467200
Timur was struck in the head by a dump in shot.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 16, 2021, 11:05:28 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 15, 2021, 10:30:57 PM
https://twitter.com/BrendanKeany/status/1371633836627464194

I feel like this is bad.

No one should have really expected Buffalo to be good, but I would not have predicted they'd be this bad.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 16, 2021, 05:05:41 PM


Quote from: bustaheims on March 16, 2021, 11:05:28 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 15, 2021, 10:30:57 PM
https://twitter.com/BrendanKeany/status/1371633836627464194

I feel like this is bad.

No one should have really expected Buffalo to be good, but I would not have predicted they'd be this bad.

I'm not sure anybody knew it was actually possible to be this bad.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on March 16, 2021, 05:30:34 PM
First time a star player got seriously injured and said "thank god"
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on March 16, 2021, 05:39:32 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 16, 2021, 05:05:41 PM


Quote from: bustaheims on March 16, 2021, 11:05:28 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 15, 2021, 10:30:57 PM
https://twitter.com/BrendanKeany/status/1371633836627464194

I feel like this is bad.

No one should have really expected Buffalo to be good, but I would not have predicted they'd be this bad.

I'm not sure anybody knew it was actually possible to be this bad.
They had to be this bad in their super tank year no? They basically traded everything to try and get McDavid
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 16, 2021, 06:08:20 PM


Quote from: Zee on March 16, 2021, 05:39:32 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 16, 2021, 05:05:41 PM


Quote from: bustaheims on March 16, 2021, 11:05:28 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 15, 2021, 10:30:57 PM
https://twitter.com/BrendanKeany/status/1371633836627464194

I feel like this is bad.

No one should have really expected Buffalo to be good, but I would not have predicted they'd be this bad.

I'm not sure anybody knew it was actually possible to be this bad.
They had to be this bad in their super tank year no? They basically traded everything to try and get McDavid

This team is on a 49 point pace. The season ending before Eichel was drafted they picked up 54 points. Close, but worse now. Although their goal share of 38% this year is slightly better than their 37% goal share back then.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on March 16, 2021, 06:40:34 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 16, 2021, 06:08:20 PM


Quote from: Zee on March 16, 2021, 05:39:32 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 16, 2021, 05:05:41 PM


Quote from: bustaheims on March 16, 2021, 11:05:28 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 15, 2021, 10:30:57 PM
https://twitter.com/BrendanKeany/status/1371633836627464194

I feel like this is bad.

No one should have really expected Buffalo to be good, but I would not have predicted they'd be this bad.

I'm not sure anybody knew it was actually possible to be this bad.
They had to be this bad in their super tank year no? They basically traded everything to try and get McDavid

This team is on a 49 point pace. The season ending before Eichel was drafted they picked up 54 points. Close, but worse now. Although their goal share of 38% this year is slightly better than their 37% goal share back then.
What a sad sack team.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 16, 2021, 07:50:47 PM
Quote from: Zee on March 16, 2021, 06:40:34 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 16, 2021, 06:08:20 PM


Quote from: Zee on March 16, 2021, 05:39:32 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 16, 2021, 05:05:41 PM


Quote from: bustaheims on March 16, 2021, 11:05:28 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 15, 2021, 10:30:57 PM
https://twitter.com/BrendanKeany/status/1371633836627464194

I feel like this is bad.

No one should have really expected Buffalo to be good, but I would not have predicted they'd be this bad.

I'm not sure anybody knew it was actually possible to be this bad.
They had to be this bad in their super tank year no? They basically traded everything to try and get McDavid

This team is on a 49 point pace. The season ending before Eichel was drafted they picked up 54 points. Close, but worse now. Although their goal share of 38% this year is slightly better than their 37% goal share back then.
What a sad sack team.
It gets worse:

https://twitter.com/BradyTrett/status/1371963842259947523
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 16, 2021, 07:53:55 PM
Uncalled crosscheck too
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 16, 2021, 09:37:42 PM
Quote from: herman on March 16, 2021, 07:53:55 PM
Uncalled crosscheck too
He returned for the 2nd period I believe so that's good news. They need to get control of those crosschecks.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 16, 2021, 10:26:08 PM
Tanev got 5 and a game for this..let the debate begin. Tough outcome but I don't think it was worth that. 
https://twitter.com/spittinchiclets/status/1371986330088054788
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 16, 2021, 10:58:33 PM
https://twitter.com/dafoomie/status/1371985046731689984
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 17, 2021, 07:25:41 AM
The over head shot definitely provides the needed context. That a serious charging penalty. 5 and a game is the minimum for that.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 17, 2021, 08:45:53 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 17, 2021, 07:25:41 AM
The over head shot definitely provides the needed context. That a serious charging penalty. 5 and a game is the minimum for that.

I don't know that it's a "serious" charging penalty as I think hits like this happen nightly, but I see no real issue with the call on the ice.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 17, 2021, 08:56:29 AM
QuoteCharging - A minor or major penalty shall be imposed on a player or goalkeeper who skates or jumps into, or charges an opponent in any manner. Charging shall mean that the actions of a player or goalkeeper who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check and opponent in any manner.

QuoteBoarding. A boarding penalty shall be imposed on any player who checks or pushes a defenseless opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to hit or impact the boards violently or dangerously. The severity of the penalty, based upon the impact with the boards, shall be at the discretion of the Referee.

It's both! There is puck separation hits in the flow of play, and then there is targeting a vulnerable player from a significant distance and going out of your way to maximize the impact and subsequent damage.

Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 17, 2021, 09:51:02 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 17, 2021, 08:45:53 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 17, 2021, 07:25:41 AM
The over head shot definitely provides the needed context. That a serious charging penalty. 5 and a game is the minimum for that.

I don't know that it's a "serious" charging penalty as I think hits like this happen nightly, but I see no real issue with the call on the ice.

You don't see a lot of hits where the guys skates from across the ice at full speed to deliver the hit. You see a lot where they glide from far out, but Tanev had his feet moving much later in the play than you see on a nightly basis.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 17, 2021, 09:53:53 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 17, 2021, 09:51:02 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 17, 2021, 08:45:53 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 17, 2021, 07:25:41 AM
The over head shot definitely provides the needed context. That a serious charging penalty. 5 and a game is the minimum for that.

I don't know that it's a "serious" charging penalty as I think hits like this happen nightly, but I see no real issue with the call on the ice.

You don't see a lot of hits where the guys skates from across the ice at full speed to deliver the hit. You see a lot where they glide from far out, but Tanev had his feet moving much later in the play than you see on a nightly basis.

I think without the injury, you don't see much discussion about the hit. I agree it's a dangerous play though.
It was dangerous in that the player receiving the check was in that danger zone away from the boards. If that happens at centre ice and the player simply takes the hit and slides into open ice, we're probably not even discussing it today.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 17, 2021, 09:55:11 AM
With that distance travelled there'd still be a discussion. I really don't think you see charges like that in the game today very often. That was pretty extreme. Usually at least a guy might take a ton of strides but glide going into the hit, but he was basically taking strides right up to contact.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 17, 2021, 09:57:52 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 17, 2021, 09:53:53 AM
I think without the injury, you don't see much discussion about the hit. I agree it's a dangerous play though.
It was dangerous in that the player receiving the check was in that danger zone away from the boards. If that happens at centre ice and the player simply takes the hit and slides into open ice, we're probably not even discussing it today.

If it happens at center ice, unless Tanev is coming from in front of him, he can't travel as far or get up to as high a speed. So, we're not talking apples to apple here. The fact is this was a blindside hit, with excessive force, to a player in a vulnerable position. Even without the injury, it's one that needs to be flagged.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 17, 2021, 09:59:38 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 17, 2021, 09:55:11 AM
With that distance travelled there'd still be a discussion. I really don't think you see charges like that in the game today very often.

You may be correct. I've never paid much attention. I think if you remove the crossovers where Tanev is turning, there's really only 3-4 steps towards the player. Though, like I said above, I have no issue with the call.

Charging and Boarding have always been a call for me that's harder to really nail down what the penalty should be. It leaves lots up for interpretation. It's not as obvious as a two hander to the wrist or a cross check to the head. I've always had more of a problem with the boarding calls that are hits from behind that happen all the time and rarely get called.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 17, 2021, 10:00:28 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 17, 2021, 09:57:52 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 17, 2021, 09:53:53 AM
I think without the injury, you don't see much discussion about the hit. I agree it's a dangerous play though.
It was dangerous in that the player receiving the check was in that danger zone away from the boards. If that happens at centre ice and the player simply takes the hit and slides into open ice, we're probably not even discussing it today.

If it happens at center ice, unless Tanev is coming from in front of him, he can't travel as far or get up to as high a speed. So, we're not talking apples to apple here. The fact is this was a blindside hit, with excessive force, to a player in a vulnerable position. Even without the injury, it's one that needs to be flagged.

You're correct. It does need to get flagged. But without the injury, it probably doesn't lead to a 5 minute major.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 17, 2021, 10:02:22 AM
Speaking of charging, Carson Soucy will have a hearing to look at this incident where he jumped into a hit. He received a 5 minute major for elbowing with no game misconduct.

https://twitter.com/hockeywildernes/status/1371982271687880706

Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 17, 2021, 11:23:17 AM
Quote from: herman on March 16, 2021, 07:53:55 PM
Uncalled crosscheck too
I'd be curious as to how many crosschecking penalties have been called this year. It's almost like it's an obsolete penalty.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on March 17, 2021, 12:02:32 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 17, 2021, 10:02:22 AM
Speaking of charging, Carson Soucy will have a hearing to look at this incident where he jumped into a hit. He received a 5 minute major for elbowing with no game misconduct.

https://twitter.com/hockeywildernes/status/1371982271687880706

I know the old boys will hate me for this, but I have a problem with this hit. This is a hit where the sole intention is to hurt the player. There's no doubt about this. but the rules allow a hit within a certain time-frame. This leads to the understanding that you can hit, but it leaves aside the reason for hits: to separate the player from the puck. These hits (and most) are for hitting's sake on its own.

It can be argued that hitting has a purpose: it wears down your opponent, it provides you time to deal with the puck, etc. But the league (and sport in general) really needs a reset.

Opponents are just that: opponents. They're not enemies.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 17, 2021, 04:04:45 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 17, 2021, 09:57:52 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 17, 2021, 09:53:53 AM
I think without the injury, you don't see much discussion about the hit. I agree it's a dangerous play though.
It was dangerous in that the player receiving the check was in that danger zone away from the boards. If that happens at centre ice and the player simply takes the hit and slides into open ice, we're probably not even discussing it today.

If it happens at center ice, unless Tanev is coming from in front of him, he can't travel as far or get up to as high a speed. So, we're not talking apples to apple here. The fact is this was a blindside hit, with excessive force, to a player in a vulnerable position. Even without the injury, it's one that needs to be flagged.

The overhead is one thing, but this view really spells it out
https://twitter.com/lifeofadman/status/1371999891308838914
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 17, 2021, 04:32:23 PM
Yeah, from that view, I'd say he should be sitting for a few games.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 17, 2021, 04:38:57 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 17, 2021, 04:32:23 PM
Yeah, from that view, I'd say he should be sitting for a few games.

I'd agree.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 17, 2021, 05:10:04 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 17, 2021, 04:32:23 PM
Yeah, from that view, I'd say he should be sitting for a few games.
Haven't heard anything about him so I doubt he gets anything additional.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 17, 2021, 05:50:48 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1372293115395051533
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 17, 2021, 05:56:26 PM
Quote from: herman on March 17, 2021, 05:50:48 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1372293115395051533

I wonder if you get your NHL salary when you get called up for a game
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 17, 2021, 09:27:54 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 17, 2021, 05:56:26 PM
I wonder if you get your NHL salary when you get called up for a game

Well whatever they're getting paid tonight the price just tripled going forward.
https://twitter.com/sadclubcommish/status/1372355914758451201
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on March 17, 2021, 09:37:56 PM
Quote from: herman on March 17, 2021, 09:27:54 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 17, 2021, 05:56:26 PM
I wonder if you get your NHL salary when you get called up for a game

Well whatever they're getting paid tonight the price just tripled going forward.
https://twitter.com/sadclubcommish/status/1372355914758451201
What the hell??
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on March 17, 2021, 09:49:28 PM
Woah
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 17, 2021, 10:45:51 PM
Quote from: Bender on March 17, 2021, 09:37:56 PM
Quote from: herman on March 17, 2021, 09:27:54 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 17, 2021, 05:56:26 PM
I wonder if you get your NHL salary when you get called up for a game

Well whatever they're getting paid tonight the price just tripled going forward.
https://twitter.com/sadclubcommish/status/1372355914758451201
What the hell??
Lol, Zibanejad had 3G 3A.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on March 18, 2021, 07:40:41 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 17, 2021, 10:45:51 PM
Quote from: Bender on March 17, 2021, 09:37:56 PM
Quote from: herman on March 17, 2021, 09:27:54 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 17, 2021, 05:56:26 PM
I wonder if you get your NHL salary when you get called up for a game

Well whatever they're getting paid tonight the price just tripled going forward.
https://twitter.com/sadclubcommish/status/1372355914758451201
What the hell??
Lol, Zibanejad had 3G 3A.

In one period.  :o
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Highlander on March 18, 2021, 12:10:09 PM
Quote from: Arn on March 18, 2021, 07:40:41 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 17, 2021, 10:45:51 PM
Quote from: Bender on March 17, 2021, 09:37:56 PM
Quote from: herman on March 17, 2021, 09:27:54 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 17, 2021, 05:56:26 PM
I wonder if you get your NHL salary when you get called up for a game

Well whatever they're getting paid tonight the price just tripled going forward.
https://twitter.com/sadclubcommish/status/1372355914758451201
What the hell??
Lol, Zibanejad had 3G 3A.

In one period.  :o
How was in net for the Flyers?  Hutch???
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 18, 2021, 06:50:45 PM
https://twitter.com/pham1717/status/1372679262352867328

What on earth is going on in Buffalo?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on March 18, 2021, 10:56:56 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 18, 2021, 06:50:45 PM
https://twitter.com/pham1717/status/1372679262352867328

What on earth is going on in Buffalo?
That is not a good team.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on March 18, 2021, 11:58:18 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 18, 2021, 06:50:45 PM
https://twitter.com/pham1717/status/1372679262352867328

What on earth is going on in Buffalo?

Curtis Lazar is finally a first liner.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 19, 2021, 12:25:17 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 18, 2021, 06:50:45 PM
https://twitter.com/pham1717/status/1372679262352867328

What on earth is going on in Buffalo?
https://twitter.com/hockeycontext/status/1372733630976512000
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 19, 2021, 09:18:44 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 18, 2021, 06:50:45 PM
What on earth is going on in Buffalo?

(https://media.makeameme.org/created/first-they-suck.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on March 19, 2021, 09:49:10 AM
I wonder how many in a row they can lose?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 19, 2021, 10:32:42 AM
Quote from: Zee on March 19, 2021, 09:49:10 AM
I wonder how many in a row they can lose?

Because the NHL doesn't count OT/SO losses as losses (because, you know, reasons - though, I somewhat agree when it comes to shootouts, as they would have been ties in the pre-lockout world), they're technically only on a winless streak, and their current 13 game winless streak doesn't even crack the top 50 - though, one more game will tie them for 43rd (with 22 other teams) - and only 5 teams ahead of them earned their winless streak in the loser point era.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 19, 2021, 10:36:16 AM
https://twitter.com/ByMHarrington/status/1372895088414760968
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 21, 2021, 01:17:14 AM
https://twitter.com/brianlawton9/status/1373497744241930241

I forgot Marleau was so close.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on March 21, 2021, 08:05:55 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 21, 2021, 01:17:14 AM
https://twitter.com/brianlawton9/status/1373497744241930241

I forgot Marleau was so close.
Marleau is just taking up space to get the record at this point. SJ stinks so it doesn't matter but 1 goal, 5 points in 29 games, he's hanging on for the sole reason of the record. Would any contending team still give this guy a roster spot?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on March 21, 2021, 08:40:05 AM
Quote from: Zee on March 21, 2021, 08:05:55 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 21, 2021, 01:17:14 AM
https://twitter.com/brianlawton9/status/1373497744241930241

I forgot Marleau was so close.
Marleau is just taking up space to get the record at this point. SJ stinks so it doesn't matter but 1 goal, 5 points in 29 games, he's hanging on for the sole reason of the record. Would any contending team still give this guy a roster spot?

No but fortunately for him he isn't on one
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 22, 2021, 07:05:16 PM
https://twitter.com/tsnryanrishaug/status/1374122286454689792
These two teams always get a Covid thing before playing each other before one of them is scheduled to play the Leafs.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 22, 2021, 10:29:40 PM
https://twitter.com/bradytrett/status/1374174121643241473
https://twitter.com/griffingdylan/status/1374178922758340613
Being a sack of poop apparently runs in their family.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 22, 2021, 11:01:01 PM
Tkachuk shoots it away at the end but it was Rasmus Andersson, who I really don't recall as being that kind of player, who tries to steal it for no reason. What a pathetic thing to do.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 23, 2021, 08:19:08 AM
Not all players are a-holes:

https://twitter.com/BradyTrett/status/1374213193556389891
https://twitter.com/ThomasDrance/status/1374225111264358405
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 23, 2021, 09:46:45 AM
https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1374352692332670984
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 23, 2021, 01:05:23 PM
https://twitter.com/thetylerkasch/status/1374396336112508931

Remember when Binnington was the calm-cool-collected, "do I look nervous" guy... and now he's this?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 23, 2021, 01:12:51 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 23, 2021, 01:05:23 PM
https://twitter.com/thetylerkasch/status/1374396336112508931

Remember when Binnington was the calm-cool-collected, "do I look nervous" guy... and now he's this?
St Louis is going to regret that contract. 6Mill for a guy who is worse in the playoffs and has declining numbers and now apparently losing his mind.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 23, 2021, 11:00:00 PM
https://twitter.com/jrlind/status/1374529952872329220

https://twitter.com/LMF1208/status/1374529861864263682
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 24, 2021, 12:21:59 AM
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1374549247832514561
Veteran savvy
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on March 24, 2021, 07:44:13 AM
Quote from: herman on March 24, 2021, 12:21:59 AM
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1374549247832514561
Veteran savvy
People are actually shocked like this hasn't been happening for like 100 years
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 24, 2021, 08:24:02 AM
I like the idea that the league is going to investigate this issue... they basically instruct the refs to do this.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 24, 2021, 08:53:26 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 24, 2021, 08:24:02 AM
I like the idea that the league is going to investigate this issue... they basically instruct the refs to do this.

Oh, they're not investigating the ref. They're investigating how there was a hot mic near the ref.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on March 24, 2021, 09:24:34 AM

I mean, this is effectively literally an example of someone getting in trouble for saying the quiet part loud.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 24, 2021, 09:38:54 AM
https://twitter.com/PR_NHL/status/1374716621978238977

Wow.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on March 24, 2021, 09:43:20 AM
Apparently he was going to retire after this season anyway, so they made him fall on the sword.  Doubt this changes anything the way games are officiated.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 24, 2021, 09:44:00 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 24, 2021, 09:38:54 AM
https://twitter.com/PR_NHL/status/1374716621978238977

Wow.
I bet officiating is going to get really interesting over the next couple of weeks.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on March 24, 2021, 09:45:55 AM
Tim Peel was going to retire after last season and the NHL asked him to come back for this season.

I'm surprised they pulled this but again, it's a guy getting canned for getting caught on a mic doing something the league has been perfectly content with being the standard of play.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 24, 2021, 09:46:32 AM
I guess they couldn't suspend/fire the broadcaster's sound tech who forgot to dial back the fader lol

This ruling being meted out and signed off on by Colin Campbell (https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/ex-ref-warren-colin-campbell-ruling-son-nhl--nhl.html) is amazing.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on March 24, 2021, 09:47:00 AM
Hopefully Peel is mad enough about being made the scapegoat that he will spill the beans about being instructed to call games this way.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on March 24, 2021, 09:51:46 AM
Quote from: Deebo on March 24, 2021, 09:47:00 AM
Hopefully Peel is mad enough about being made the scapegoat that he will spill the beans about being instructed to call games this way.

I'd be surprised if there were ever formal instructions to that effect. It feels more like one of those "everyone knows the way to the mess hall" sorts of things.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 24, 2021, 09:53:43 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 24, 2021, 09:44:00 AM
I bet officiating is going to get really interesting over the next couple of weeks.

Should be nice for Connor McDavid and the Leafs

Eyeballs the two Boston serieses and poor Nazem Kadri
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 24, 2021, 10:01:33 AM
Quote from: Deebo on March 24, 2021, 09:47:00 AM
Hopefully Peel is mad enough about being made the scapegoat that he will spill the beans about being instructed to call games this way.

A month from retirement, you get drawn and quartered in the public square for doing what your entire industry is known for. It doesn't appear to be worded as an outright firing (suspension of duties), so I'm guessing whatever pension there is is unaffected. Still, his legacy is publicly tarnished.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 24, 2021, 10:03:52 AM
Quote from: Zee on March 24, 2021, 09:43:20 AM
Apparently he was going to retire after this season anyway, so they made him fall on the sword.  Doubt this changes anything the way games are officiated.

Probably not. Maybe for the next few days. Really, what it's going to do is make refs more conscious of whether or not their mic is on.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 24, 2021, 10:04:04 AM
Quote from: herman on March 24, 2021, 10:01:33 AM
Quote from: Deebo on March 24, 2021, 09:47:00 AM
Hopefully Peel is mad enough about being made the scapegoat that he will spill the beans about being instructed to call games this way.

A month from retirement, you get drawn and quartered in the public square for doing what your entire industry is known for.

And he was planning to retire last year, but agreed to ref this season after the league asked him to.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 24, 2021, 10:05:31 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 24, 2021, 10:04:04 AM
Quote from: herman on March 24, 2021, 10:01:33 AM
Quote from: Deebo on March 24, 2021, 09:47:00 AM
Hopefully Peel is mad enough about being made the scapegoat that he will spill the beans about being instructed to call games this way.

A month from retirement, you get drawn and quartered in the public square for doing what your entire industry is known for.

And he was planning to retire last year, but agreed to ref this season after the league asked him to.

With the hazards of travelling during a pandemic (on top of the usual NHL hazards)... why couldn't this have been Graham Skilliter instead?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 24, 2021, 10:05:46 AM
Quote from: Nik on March 24, 2021, 09:51:46 AM
I'd be surprised if there were ever formal instructions to that effect. It feels more like one of those "everyone knows the way to the mess hall" sorts of things.

It definitely feels more like an accepted standard rather than a formalized one.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on March 24, 2021, 10:18:31 AM
Quote from: Nik on March 24, 2021, 09:51:46 AM
Quote from: Deebo on March 24, 2021, 09:47:00 AM
Hopefully Peel is mad enough about being made the scapegoat that he will spill the beans about being instructed to call games this way.

I'd be surprised if there were ever formal instructions to that effect. It feels more like one of those "everyone knows the way to the mess hall" sorts of things.

I think it gets heavily implied but not outright or put in writing.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on March 24, 2021, 10:20:21 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 24, 2021, 10:05:46 AM
Quote from: Nik on March 24, 2021, 09:51:46 AM
I'd be surprised if there were ever formal instructions to that effect. It feels more like one of those "everyone knows the way to the mess hall" sorts of things.

It definitely feels more like an accepted standard rather than a formalized one.

I just figure that in order to get a NHL officiating job in the first place you're probably going to understand how a league, wink wink, wants a game to be called.

I've said it before and I'll say it again but I actually do have some sympathy for the NHL here. I've been a hockey fan going on 30 years now and I could not tell you for the life of me how NHL fans want games to be called.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on March 24, 2021, 10:25:59 AM
Quote from: Deebo on March 24, 2021, 10:18:31 AM
Quote from: Nik on March 24, 2021, 09:51:46 AM
Quote from: Deebo on March 24, 2021, 09:47:00 AM
Hopefully Peel is mad enough about being made the scapegoat that he will spill the beans about being instructed to call games this way.

I'd be surprised if there were ever formal instructions to that effect. It feels more like one of those "everyone knows the way to the mess hall" sorts of things.

I think it gets heavily implied but not outright or put in writing.

Well, like I'm saying to busta I don't think even implying it is necessary. If you'll forgive the analogy I think it's like saying a NHL team tells their, or implies, players how to lace their skates when realistically, they'll have learned that long before they got to the NHL.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on March 24, 2021, 10:27:36 AM
This is shocking to me, and I've refereed hockey in my 20's.

I've never ever made a make-up call.  Never happened.  Nope.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 24, 2021, 10:31:32 AM


Quote from: herman on March 24, 2021, 09:53:43 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 24, 2021, 09:44:00 AM
I bet officiating is going to get really interesting over the next couple of weeks.

Should be nice for Connor McDavid and the Leafs

Eyeballs the two Boston serieses and poor Nazem Kadri

Wait, did you just say.... "serieses"...?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 24, 2021, 10:33:53 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 24, 2021, 10:31:32 AM


Quote from: herman on March 24, 2021, 09:53:43 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 24, 2021, 09:44:00 AM
I bet officiating is going to get really interesting over the next couple of weeks.

Should be nice for Connor McDavid and the Leafs

Eyeballs the two Boston serieses and poor Nazem Kadri

Wait, did you just say.... "serieses"...?

I absolutely did on purpose
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 24, 2021, 10:36:23 AM
Quote from: Nik on March 24, 2021, 10:20:21 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again but I actually do have some sympathy for the NHL here. I've been a hockey fan going on 30 years now and I could not tell you for the life of me how NHL fans want games to be called.

Yup. The only thing that strikes me as being true across the wide spectrums of NHL fans is that they'd like to see a consistent standard. What that standard is, however, does not have anything near a universal consensus.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 24, 2021, 10:39:06 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 24, 2021, 10:36:23 AM
Quote from: Nik on March 24, 2021, 10:20:21 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again but I actually do have some sympathy for the NHL here. I've been a hockey fan going on 30 years now and I could not tell you for the life of me how NHL fans want games to be called.

Yup. The only thing that strikes me as being true across the wide spectrums of NHL fans is that they'd like to see a consistent standard. What that standard is, however, does not have anything near a universal consensus.

Because fans want to see the came called in whatever way is advantageous to their team or reaffirms their individual version of the right way to play, which is a moving target in and of itself.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on March 24, 2021, 10:43:42 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 24, 2021, 10:36:23 AM
Yup. The only thing that strikes me as being true across the wide spectrums of NHL fans is that they'd like to see a consistent standard. What that standard is, however, does not have anything near a universal consensus.

Yeah, I suppose that's true but it feels like even within that it amounts to a lot of fans wanting referees to make split second decisions that accounts for the severity of the infraction, the game situation and potentially altering the standard to account for any missed calls earlier in the game.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 24, 2021, 10:47:22 AM
Quote from: Nik on March 24, 2021, 10:43:42 AM
Yeah, I suppose that's true but it feels like even within that it amounts to a lot of fans wanting referees to make split second decisions that accounts for the severity of the infraction, the game situation and potentially altering the standard to account for any missed calls earlier in the game.

Oh yeah, that standard is definitely a moving target. There's just a desire for there to be the appearance of one.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 24, 2021, 11:09:02 AM
Quote from: Nik on March 24, 2021, 09:51:46 AM
Quote from: Deebo on March 24, 2021, 09:47:00 AM
Hopefully Peel is mad enough about being made the scapegoat that he will spill the beans about being instructed to call games this way.

I'd be surprised if there were ever formal instructions to that effect. It feels more like one of those "everyone knows the way to the mess hall" sorts of things.

Yeah, I don't think it's ever been given out in the referees handbook.
I think it's more of a human nature thing to want to even things up than an actual direction by the NHL. It's something they know exist which they've ignored and accepted.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 24, 2021, 11:16:28 AM
Genuine question since I don't really watch other leagues enough to know: does this sort of "game management" problem happen in other sports? Do refs try to keep fouls roughly even in basketball? Are infractions ignored in the Super Bowl?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on March 24, 2021, 11:16:50 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 24, 2021, 10:47:22 AM
Quote from: Nik on March 24, 2021, 10:43:42 AM
Yeah, I suppose that's true but it feels like even within that it amounts to a lot of fans wanting referees to make split second decisions that accounts for the severity of the infraction, the game situation and potentially altering the standard to account for any missed calls earlier in the game.

Oh yeah, that standard is definitely a moving target. There's just a desire for there to be the appearance of one.

I'd settle for the blatant stuff to be called. Stuff like that slash on Rielly's stick that didn't get called in OT.  That's not game management.  It was an illegal play that led directly to a chance to end the game.  The Leafs were fortunate that the play got shut down and they won the game going the other way but that was as obvious of a call as you can get. 

I get that the game is fast.  I also understand that the flow of the game isn't going to be helped by 20 penalties being called a game, but I just wish that the obvious stuff just got called consistently.

I do also wonder if the leagues approach to 50/50 parity has really helped them.  Maybe the league would be better off with McDavid scoring 170 points because penalties are actually called when guys waterski behind him.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on March 24, 2021, 11:33:42 AM
Quote from: Frank E on March 24, 2021, 10:27:36 AM
This is shocking to me, and I've refereed hockey in my 20's.

I've never ever made a make-up call.  Never happened.  Nope.

Your honesty and integrity are to be admired.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on March 24, 2021, 12:04:28 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 24, 2021, 11:16:28 AM
Genuine question since I don't really watch other leagues enough to know: does this sort of "game management" problem happen in other sports? Do refs try to keep fouls roughly even in basketball? Are infractions ignored in the Super Bowl?

Maybe not to the same extent but every league has issues with rules being selectively enforced. In the NBA it's pretty well established that shooting fouls are more likely to be called if it's Lebron James or James Harden going to the hoop than it is a bench player. Baseball umps will likewise tend to give veteran pitchers more of the benefit of the doubt with pitches on the corner of the plate.

In the NFL, for instance, you'll often hear that the offensive holding rule could basically be called on every play and that it's up to the refs to decide which instances of it are so blatant it has to be called. And then, yeah, some people do say that pass interference can not be called given the circumstances.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Highlander on March 24, 2021, 12:05:23 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 24, 2021, 09:44:00 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 24, 2021, 09:38:54 AM
https://twitter.com/PR_NHL/status/1374716621978238977

Wow.
I bet officiating is going to get really interesting over the next couple of weeks.
I wonder how long AI will take to start making calls or assisting in refereeing games.  Hell tennis, the entire court is wired, the ref in the chair still has a place but surely diminished.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 24, 2021, 12:16:43 PM
Quote from: Nik on March 24, 2021, 12:04:28 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 24, 2021, 11:16:28 AM
Genuine question since I don't really watch other leagues enough to know: does this sort of "game management" problem happen in other sports? Do refs try to keep fouls roughly even in basketball? Are infractions ignored in the Super Bowl?

In the NFL, for instance, you'll often hear that the offensive holding rule could basically be called on every play and that it's up to the refs to decide which instances of it are so blatant it has to be called. And then, yeah, some people do say that pass interference can not be called given the circumstances.

Case in point in the NFL of referees flip flopping was seen this year in the playoffs.
VS the Bills, the Chiefs basically got away with murder down the field while defending the pass or while on offense and pushing off of Bills defenders.
VS Tom Brady and the Bucs, the referees decided everything that was let go 2 weeks earlier was now a penalty. The Chiefs had no idea how to react. In fact, if you watch the Chiefs, they got away with it for most of the year....Until the Superbowl and Tom Brady
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bill_Berg_is_sad on March 24, 2021, 12:32:00 PM
Quote from: Nik on March 24, 2021, 12:04:28 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 24, 2021, 11:16:28 AM
Genuine question since I don't really watch other leagues enough to know: does this sort of "game management" problem happen in other sports? Do refs try to keep fouls roughly even in basketball? Are infractions ignored in the Super Bowl?

Maybe not to the same extent but every league has issues with rules being selectively enforced. In the NBA it's pretty well established that shooting fouls are more likely to be called if it's Lebron James or James Harden going to the hoop than it is a bench player. Baseball umps will likewise tend to give veteran pitchers more of the benefit of the doubt with pitches on the corner of the plate.

In the NFL, for instance, you'll often hear that the offensive holding rule could basically be called on every play and that it's up to the refs to decide which instances of it are so blatant it has to be called. And then, yeah, some people do say that pass interference can not be called given the circumstances.

There are challenges, but I don't think I've heard of evening-up calls in other sports.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 24, 2021, 12:38:22 PM
Interesting tidbit from Matt Duchene here, which is that Peel was talking to Forsberg at the Nashville bench during the incident. I figured he might have been talking privately to the other ref or something. The fact that he was just openly telling the team why they got a crappy penalty sure goes to show how acceptable that is around the league.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 24, 2021, 12:38:35 PM
Quote from: herman on March 24, 2021, 10:05:31 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 24, 2021, 10:04:04 AM
And he was planning to retire last year, but agreed to ref this season after the league asked him to.

With the hazards of travelling during a pandemic (on top of the usual NHL hazards)... why couldn't this have been Graham Skilliter instead?

https://twitter.com/PeteJolicoeur/status/1374725199438999556
I forgot this happened. I will never make that mistake again.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 24, 2021, 12:53:33 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 24, 2021, 12:38:22 PM
Interesting tidbit from Matt Duchene here, which is that Peel was talking to Forsberg at the Nashville bench during the incident. I figured he might have been talking privately to the other ref or something. The fact that he was just openly telling the team why they got a crappy penalty sure goes to show how acceptable that is around the league.

https://twitter.com/1025TheGame/status/1374740234756362251
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 24, 2021, 12:57:35 PM
Quote from: herman on March 24, 2021, 12:38:35 PM
https://twitter.com/PeteJolicoeur/status/1374725199438999556
I forgot this happened. I will never make that mistake again.

Just because it irked me how the commentators kept going on about how that would count:

https://thecomeback.com/nhl/goal-disallowed-tim-peel-groin.html
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 24, 2021, 01:03:20 PM
Quote from: herman on March 24, 2021, 12:53:33 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 24, 2021, 12:38:22 PM
Interesting tidbit from Matt Duchene here, which is that Peel was talking to Forsberg at the Nashville bench during the incident. I figured he might have been talking privately to the other ref or something. The fact that he was just openly telling the team why they got a crappy penalty sure goes to show how acceptable that is around the league.

https://twitter.com/1025TheGame/status/1374740234756362251

So it's not even like a "Peel got caught" type moment anymore. This was his official justification to the Predators team.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Highlander on March 24, 2021, 01:08:15 PM
Quote from: herman on March 24, 2021, 12:38:35 PM
Quote from: herman on March 24, 2021, 10:05:31 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 24, 2021, 10:04:04 AM
And he was planning to retire last year, but agreed to ref this season after the league asked him to.

With the hazards of travelling during a pandemic (on top of the usual NHL hazards)... why couldn't this have been Graham Skilliter instead?

https://twitter.com/PeteJolicoeur/status/1374725199438999556
I forgot this happened. I will never make that mistake again.
Reminds me of that line in Caddy Shack where Dangerfield yells "Fore" and the ball hits the Judge in the nuts and then Rodney said I should have yelled "two".
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 24, 2021, 01:12:25 PM
I've always though they should call the penalties as they are written in the rule book. Doesn't matter the time of game or the importance. I never understood why they allow teams to break the rules especially in the playoffs and penalize talent.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 24, 2021, 01:20:05 PM
https://twitter.com/lukefoxjukebox/status/1374772259815034886

Yes?

I mean if the argument is players don't want these ticky-tacky penalties like faceoff violations or puck over the glass calls to be penalties in the final minutes, then they aren't severe enough infractions to be 2 minutes penalties at all.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on March 24, 2021, 02:10:23 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 24, 2021, 01:20:05 PM
Yes?

I mean if the argument is players don't want these ticky-tacky penalties like faceoff violations or puck over the glass calls to be penalties in the final minutes, then they aren't severe enough infractions to be 2 minutes penalties at all.

Yeah, like, the face-off thing is all about the idea that you shouldn't be able to cheat to gain an advantage on a face-off. Why would that be less important in the closing seconds of a tight game?

And ditto the thing about the putting the puck over the glass. I understand why it's frustrating when midway through the second a defenseman accidentally puts it over the glass but the whole point of the rule is so defensemen can't just clear it high off the glass all the time in crunch time. I'd rather have the occasional ticky tack call then the last minute of a one goal game just be defensemen getting out their pitching wedge and firing it up whenever they can.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on March 24, 2021, 02:14:31 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 24, 2021, 01:20:05 PM
https://twitter.com/lukefoxjukebox/status/1374772259815034886

Yes?

I mean if the argument is players don't want these ticky-tacky penalties like faceoff violations or puck over the glass calls to be penalties in the final minutes, then they aren't severe enough infractions to be 2 minutes penalties at all.

Instead of a penalty on a faceoff violation they should let the team that didn't cause the violation to choose the opposing player that has to take the draw,  would be funny to see a defenceman line up and take a draw.  :D
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 24, 2021, 03:03:02 PM
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1374796540758388738

lol
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 24, 2021, 03:23:22 PM
Quote from: herman on March 24, 2021, 10:33:53 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 24, 2021, 10:31:32 AM


Quote from: herman on March 24, 2021, 09:53:43 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 24, 2021, 09:44:00 AM
I bet officiating is going to get really interesting over the next couple of weeks.

Should be nice for Connor McDavid and the Leafs

Eyeballs the two Boston serieses and poor Nazem Kadri

Wait, did you just say.... "serieses"...?

I absolutely did on purpose
Okay, I figured, but I kind of can't figure out why.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 24, 2021, 03:30:22 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 24, 2021, 03:23:22 PM
Quote from: herman on March 24, 2021, 10:33:53 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 24, 2021, 10:31:32 AM


Quote from: herman on March 24, 2021, 09:53:43 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 24, 2021, 09:44:00 AM
I bet officiating is going to get really interesting over the next couple of weeks.

Should be nice for Connor McDavid and the Leafs

Eyeballs the two Boston serieses and poor Nazem Kadri

Wait, did you just say.... "serieses"...?

I absolutely did on purpose
Okay, I figured, but I kind of can't figure out why.

Just trying to bring it back into circulation for clarity
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bill_Berg_is_sad on March 24, 2021, 03:39:22 PM
Quote from: Nik on March 24, 2021, 02:10:23 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 24, 2021, 01:20:05 PM
Yes?

I mean if the argument is players don't want these ticky-tacky penalties like faceoff violations or puck over the glass calls to be penalties in the final minutes, then they aren't severe enough infractions to be 2 minutes penalties at all.

Yeah, like, the face-off thing is all about the idea that you shouldn't be able to cheat to gain an advantage on a face-off. Why would that be less important in the closing seconds of a tight game?

And ditto the thing about the putting the puck over the glass. I understand why it's frustrating when midway through the second a defenseman accidentally puts it over the glass but the whole point of the rule is so defensemen can't just clear it high off the glass all the time in crunch time. I'd rather have the occasional ticky tack call then the last minute of a one goal game just be defensemen getting out their pitching wedge and firing it up whenever they can.

I still hate the puck over the glass penalty.  Make it like icing. 
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 24, 2021, 03:40:58 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 24, 2021, 01:20:05 PM
Yes?

I mean if the argument is players don't want these ticky-tacky penalties like faceoff violations or puck over the glass calls to be penalties in the final minutes, then they aren't severe enough infractions to be 2 minutes penalties at all.

Seriously. If they're going to be penalties, anything that doesn't require a judgment call of any kind should be called always - faceoff violations, puck over glass, too many men, etc. - regardless of how much people dislike many of these penalties.

Also, as many others have said, it's a penalty in the 1st period, it should be a penalty in the 3rd (and in OT), and vice versa.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on March 24, 2021, 03:58:18 PM
Quote from: Bill_Berg on March 24, 2021, 03:39:22 PM
I still hate the puck over the glass penalty.  Make it like icing.

Again, I appreciate the sentiment but to me it is just so very much at cross purposes with what I want from the game for the league to try and make it easier to sit back and defend a lead.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 24, 2021, 04:26:55 PM
Quote from: herman on March 24, 2021, 12:38:35 PM
Quote from: herman on March 24, 2021, 10:05:31 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 24, 2021, 10:04:04 AM
And he was planning to retire last year, but agreed to ref this season after the league asked him to.

With the hazards of travelling during a pandemic (on top of the usual NHL hazards)... why couldn't this have been Graham Skilliter instead?

https://twitter.com/PeteJolicoeur/status/1374725199438999556
I forgot this happened. I will never make that mistake again.

Well, at least he can tell his grandkids he scored a goal in the NHL
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on March 24, 2021, 04:28:55 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 24, 2021, 03:40:58 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 24, 2021, 01:20:05 PM
Yes?

I mean if the argument is players don't want these ticky-tacky penalties like faceoff violations or puck over the glass calls to be penalties in the final minutes, then they aren't severe enough infractions to be 2 minutes penalties at all.

Seriously. If they're going to be penalties, anything that doesn't require a judgment call of any kind should be called always - faceoff violations, puck over glass, too many men, etc. - regardless of how much people dislike many of these penalties.

Also, as many others have said, it's a penalty in the 1st period, it should be a penalty in the 3rd (and in OT), and vice versa.

Hell, even consistent within a game.  So fine, you don't want to call a cheap hook in double OT of Game 7 of a playoff series.  Just don't go and call a cheap hook on the other team later.  If it's not going to be a penalty in the game, be consistent. 

I'm tired of hearing the "yep, you get the stick up there and they are always going to call that".  No they flipping aren't.  They let it go dozens of times in a game and then just arbitrarily call it at some point. 

Nazem Kadri losing his head in back to back playoff series came directly off Boston being permitted to run guys from behind and hit guys high without getting calls. 

Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 24, 2021, 04:29:38 PM
Quote from: Nik on March 24, 2021, 03:58:18 PM
Quote from: Bill_Berg on March 24, 2021, 03:39:22 PM
I still hate the puck over the glass penalty.  Make it like icing.

Again, I appreciate the sentiment but to me it is just so very much at cross purposes with what I want from the game for the league to try and make it easier to sit back and defend a lead.

The argument would be that there's a difference between intentionally throwing the puck over the glass and accidentally throwing it over the glass. But then, the counter would be that now you're allowing judgement to come into play.

I've kind of grown use to the over the glass penalty. It sucks when it happens to your team, but, it goes both ways and there's no avoiding it if it happens, so, c'est la vie.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 24, 2021, 04:33:25 PM
Quote from: L K on March 24, 2021, 04:28:55 PM
Nazem Kadri losing his head in back to back playoff series came directly off Boston being permitted to run guys from behind and hit guys high without getting calls.

100%. This happens so often. The referees let games get out of control and then suddenly decide it's time to lay down the law. What changed? It only went there because you allowed them to move the imaginary line for the first 2 periods(or in Kadri's case, for the first few games), then suddenly you've had enough and you move the line back?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on March 24, 2021, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 24, 2021, 04:29:38 PMThe argument would be that there's a difference between intentionally throwing the puck over the glass and accidentally throwing it over the glass. But then, the counter would be that now you're allowing judgement to come into play.

My counter to someone saying that there's a difference between intentional and accidental throwing it over the glass isn't about judgement, although I do think that does make things tricky, it's that if you only penalize intentional firings over the glass then when a player gets a puck in the defensive zone in a high pressure situation the down side to trying to fire the puck high off the glass and out(a whistle and d-zone face-off) is so minimal and the upside so high that it's an easy decision and can largely neutralize a lot of offense.

It's creating a disincentive for a play that people, I think, didn't like seeing dominate the closing of games. To that extent, I think it's been a bit of invisible success in making defenders actually defend more carefully.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bill_Berg_is_sad on March 24, 2021, 04:43:08 PM
Quote from: Nik on March 24, 2021, 03:58:18 PM
Quote from: Bill_Berg on March 24, 2021, 03:39:22 PM
I still hate the puck over the glass penalty.  Make it like icing.

Again, I appreciate the sentiment but to me it is just so very much at cross purposes with what I want from the game for the league to try and make it easier to sit back and defend a lead.

More specifically, I hate that's it's two min, just like interference, high sticking, tripping, boarding much of the time etc....

Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 24, 2021, 04:46:30 PM
Maybe this is common knowledge by now, but I never knew that Vegas is exempt from the upcoming expansion draft. As if they need help.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on March 24, 2021, 04:56:16 PM
Quote from: Bill_Berg on March 24, 2021, 04:43:08 PM
More specifically, I hate that's it's two min, just like interference, high sticking, tripping, boarding much of the time etc....

Well now that's an interesting point. I hadn't really considered that but, much like I was saying about the blood for 2 extra rule on high sticking, I think you're right.

I wonder if maybe there should be a 3rd category of penalty. Either 1 minute minors, which would be just enough time for a team's #1 PP to have a shift, or maybe have 2 minute minors that expire after a goal and those that don't.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 24, 2021, 05:01:51 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 24, 2021, 01:20:05 PM
https://twitter.com/lukefoxjukebox/status/1374772259815034886

Yes?

I mean if the argument is players don't want these ticky-tacky penalties like faceoff violations or puck over the glass calls to be penalties in the final minutes, then they aren't severe enough infractions to be 2 minutes penalties at all.

A foot in the crease when the Cup is on the line?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 24, 2021, 05:07:26 PM
In a fluid game like this you could call penalties all the time.  I'm in the camp that says let the refs have discretion — I'm not interested in 20 PPs a game — but let it be consistent within the game.  Not an easy thing to do, admittedly, but they should aim for it.

And I don't have a problem with context-aware calls (or non-calls).  If your team is down 6-0 with 2:00 left and one of your d-men hooks an attacker without negating a scoring chance ... who really wants to see things like that called?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 24, 2021, 05:09:29 PM
One other thought: if I were a literary agent, I'd be on the phone with Peel to see if he's up for a tell-all.  I think a publisher would offer a nice advance on that.  One of you guys can ghost it for him.

LOL at the quotes I'm seeing from players, coaches.  What a bunch of sanctimonious claptrap.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bill_Berg_is_sad on March 24, 2021, 05:52:10 PM
Quote from: Nik on March 24, 2021, 04:56:16 PM
Quote from: Bill_Berg on March 24, 2021, 04:43:08 PM
More specifically, I hate that's it's two min, just like interference, high sticking, tripping, boarding much of the time etc....

Well now that's an interesting point. I hadn't really considered that but, much like I was saying about the blood for 2 extra rule on high sticking, I think you're right.

I wonder if maybe there should be a 3rd category of penalty. Either 1 minute minors, which would be just enough time for a team's #1 PP to have a shift, or maybe have 2 minute minors that expire after a goal and those that don't.

Yeah that sort of thinking would be great.  I like the 2 min that doesn't expire.  That's such a huge change, I feel like over glass being treated as an icing is more likely. If we can rethink it all, have 4 tiers of penalties.  Or use the tiers. They have three now, but double minors and majors are basically never called.  Outside of other dumb concepts like the blood on a high stick. 
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 25, 2021, 08:41:24 AM
https://twitter.com/CraigCustance/status/1374736240134742026

Quite the story!
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 25, 2021, 08:52:54 AM
https://twitter.com/pierrevlebrun/status/1375060437583138818

The NHL, the only sports league where a loss isn't a loss.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 25, 2021, 08:57:10 AM
Quote from: Bill_Berg on March 24, 2021, 05:52:10 PM
Quote from: Nik on March 24, 2021, 04:56:16 PM
Quote from: Bill_Berg on March 24, 2021, 04:43:08 PM
More specifically, I hate that's it's two min, just like interference, high sticking, tripping, boarding much of the time etc....

Well now that's an interesting point. I hadn't really considered that but, much like I was saying about the blood for 2 extra rule on high sticking, I think you're right.

I wonder if maybe there should be a 3rd category of penalty. Either 1 minute minors, which would be just enough time for a team's #1 PP to have a shift, or maybe have 2 minute minors that expire after a goal and those that don't.

Yeah that sort of thinking would be great.  I like the 2 min that doesn't expire.  That's such a huge change, I feel like over glass being treated as an icing is more likely. If we can rethink it all, have 4 tiers of penalties.  Or use the tiers. They have three now, but double minors and majors are basically never called.  Outside of other dumb concepts like the blood on a high stick.

I think it's a great idea to have different levels of calls(1 minute for offenses such as over the boards, or faceoff violation) but I don't like the 2 minute that doesn't expire. I don't like the idea of a team giving up 2 goals while shorthanded for a trip or something of that nature. I'd prefer they started enforcing/using the double minors to try to penalize the team for the stupid plays.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 25, 2021, 09:01:42 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 25, 2021, 08:41:24 AM
https://twitter.com/CraigCustance/status/1374736240134742026

Quite the story!

That's pretty crazy. It's sad that an entire team had to quarantine. I'm not sure how the positive case happened in this case. It sounds like a pretty well run ship.

Here in Sudbury, we've had few outbreaks in schools started by hockey teams sharing rides to hockey together(practices are often at 3pm and parents are at work), or going to parties together after a practice.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on March 25, 2021, 09:10:10 AM
I would still like to see penalties called in the last two minutes count for the full two minutes if the game is still on the line.

So if you are down a goal with 30 seconds left and a team takes a penalty, you get 21:30 of 3rd period to try and tie the game.

There is a pretty good incentive to cheat the rule book in the defensive zone in a 1-goal game late.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 25, 2021, 09:49:34 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 25, 2021, 08:57:10 AM
I think it's a great idea to have different levels of calls(1 minute for offenses such as over the boards, or faceoff violation) but I don't like the 2 minute that doesn't expire. I don't like the idea of a team giving up 2 goals while shorthanded for a trip or something of that nature. I'd prefer they started enforcing/using the double minors to try to penalize the team for the stupid plays.

That's how the league used to do it, until Montreal's powerplay distorted things. Granted, that was almost 70 years ago, but, nevertheless, it would really just be the league going retro...
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on March 25, 2021, 10:10:12 AM
I've always advocated on this site for more tiers in the penalty schedules. 1 minute for technical penalties (face-off violation, delay-of-game, hand-on-puck, too many players, failed coaching challenge, etc.), 2 minutes for contact penalties (boarding, charging, tripping, roughing, etc. + unsportsmanlike), 5 minutes for majors.

I don't like non-expiring penalties, except for major penalties, I suppose.

Competitive sports with subjective penalties judged by humans will always have inconsistencies. I think we all accept that. My first concern is just consistency within a game as a start.


Also. ban fighting. ya.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on March 25, 2021, 10:13:13 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 25, 2021, 08:57:10 AM
I think it's a great idea to have different levels of calls(1 minute for offenses such as over the boards, or faceoff violation) but I don't like the 2 minute that doesn't expire. I don't like the idea of a team giving up 2 goals while shorthanded for a trip or something of that nature. I'd prefer they started enforcing/using the double minors to try to penalize the team for the stupid plays.

My thing there is that I think we've got a pretty substantial body of evidence at this point that the whole "well, the worst that will happen is my team will give up a goal on a short PP" really doesn't act as any kind of deterrent for obstruction fouls(that are barely called to begin with). You can try to address that like the league did in 05-06 by calling them all, which people didn't like, or you can increase the potential liability.

Given the rate PP's are successful I don't think 2 goal PPs would be that common but even then, I still think the league should be doing something to make penalties more like, you know, penalties.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 25, 2021, 10:32:27 AM
Quote from: Nik on March 25, 2021, 10:13:13 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 25, 2021, 08:57:10 AM
I think it's a great idea to have different levels of calls(1 minute for offenses such as over the boards, or faceoff violation) but I don't like the 2 minute that doesn't expire. I don't like the idea of a team giving up 2 goals while shorthanded for a trip or something of that nature. I'd prefer they started enforcing/using the double minors to try to penalize the team for the stupid plays.

My thing there is that I think we've got a pretty substantial body of evidence at this point that the whole "well, the worst that will happen is my team will give up a goal on a short PP" really doesn't act as any kind of deterrent for obstruction fouls(that are barely called to begin with). You can try to address that like the league did in 05-06 by calling them all, which people didn't like, or you can increase the potential liability.

Given the rate PP's are successful I don't think 2 goal PPs would be that common but even then, I still think the league should be doing something to make penalties more like, you know, penalties.
Agree. 2 mins is 2 mins regardless if the PP team scores. I also agree with Gord Miller on delayed penalties. If the about to be penalized team gets scored on, they still get a penalty. Add in call it the same regardless of time of game or type of game. Call it by the book. Penalties are penalties and these guys will adapt quickly.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 25, 2021, 12:10:41 PM
Quote from: Nik on March 25, 2021, 10:13:13 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 25, 2021, 08:57:10 AM
I think it's a great idea to have different levels of calls(1 minute for offenses such as over the boards, or faceoff violation) but I don't like the 2 minute that doesn't expire. I don't like the idea of a team giving up 2 goals while shorthanded for a trip or something of that nature. I'd prefer they started enforcing/using the double minors to try to penalize the team for the stupid plays.

My thing there is that I think we've got a pretty substantial body of evidence at this point that the whole "well, the worst that will happen is my team will give up a goal on a short PP" really doesn't act as any kind of deterrent for obstruction fouls(that are barely called to begin with). You can try to address that like the league did in 05-06 by calling them all, which people didn't like, or you can increase the potential liability.

Given the rate PP's are successful I don't think 2 goal PPs would be that common but even then, I still think the league should be doing something to make penalties more like, you know, penalties.

I don't disagree with that. Penalties, should be penalties.

The 2 goals per pp may not happen often. What I don't want to see is a cheap call in the last 2 minutes of the game cause a game that my team is leading by one turn into a game that we lose by one
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on March 25, 2021, 12:39:25 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 25, 2021, 12:10:41 PM
The 2 goals per pp may not happen often. What I don't want to see is a cheap call in the last 2 minutes of the game cause a game that my team is leading by one turn into a game that we lose by one

I think, to some extent, that's a bit of this whole thing in a nutshell though. Like, none of us want to see bad calls. And none of us want to see inconsistent calls. And if that's what you mean by "cheap" then I think everyone can agree and that's true regardless of it resulting in one or multiple goals against. 

But it seems clear to me that most people don't really want the game situation determining the call. If it's a penalty it should just be a penalty. If your team is up by one and they get called for a penalty...then they shouldn't commit penalties. And I think too often "cheap" has been used to describe any penalty that isn't a two handed swing looking to decapitate someone so long as it takes place in an important context.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bill_Berg_is_sad on March 25, 2021, 01:25:41 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 25, 2021, 08:57:10 AM
Quote from: Bill_Berg on March 24, 2021, 05:52:10 PM
Quote from: Nik on March 24, 2021, 04:56:16 PM
Quote from: Bill_Berg on March 24, 2021, 04:43:08 PM
More specifically, I hate that's it's two min, just like interference, high sticking, tripping, boarding much of the time etc....

Well now that's an interesting point. I hadn't really considered that but, much like I was saying about the blood for 2 extra rule on high sticking, I think you're right.

I wonder if maybe there should be a 3rd category of penalty. Either 1 minute minors, which would be just enough time for a team's #1 PP to have a shift, or maybe have 2 minute minors that expire after a goal and those that don't.

Yeah that sort of thinking would be great.  I like the 2 min that doesn't expire.  That's such a huge change, I feel like over glass being treated as an icing is more likely. If we can rethink it all, have 4 tiers of penalties.  Or use the tiers. They have three now, but double minors and majors are basically never called.  Outside of other dumb concepts like the blood on a high stick.

I don't like the idea of a team giving up 2 goals while shorthanded for a trip or something of that nature.

To be clear, I would like the full 2 min on serious penalties. A trip might be a regular 2 min. Boarding a full 2 min.  But maybe a double minor is the same thing. More important in any case is having various punishments.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 25, 2021, 01:34:41 PM
Quote from: Bill_Berg on March 25, 2021, 01:25:41 PM
To be clear, I would like the full 2 min on serious penalties. A trip might be a regular 2 min. Boarding a full 2 min.  But maybe a double minor is the same thing. More important in any case is having various punishments.

If the league ever decides to make changes to the penalties system (which I doubt they will anytime soon) I'd prefer something like this over making the less serious penalties 1 minute. 1 minute powerplays just seem like such a trivial punishment. One 50/50 face-off draw and there's a decent chance most of it has already been killed off (unless we also make icing's a thing while shorthanded, which I would also be in favour of).
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 25, 2021, 01:39:41 PM
Random idea: if the shorthanded team isn't subject to icing calls then team on the powerplay shouldn't be subject to offside calls.

Did I just fix the NHL?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 25, 2021, 02:04:19 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 25, 2021, 01:39:41 PM
Random idea: if the shorthanded team isn't subject to icing calls then team on the powerplay shouldn't be subject to offside calls.

Did I just fix the NHL?

I'd like to see them basically flip the red line and the blueline when there are penalties. Once the team on the PP gains the zone, the puck has to cross the red line to be offside. For the team on the PK, they need to get the puck outside the blueline to not be called for icing.

Though, considering the standards of officiating in the league currently, this might be too complicated.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on March 25, 2021, 02:06:27 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 25, 2021, 01:34:41 PM
(unless we also make icing's a thing while shorthanded, which I would also be in favour of).

Gaining zone entry is an important part of a good PP, and denying entry is a part of a good PK. PPs already start in the o-zone already, add in face offs in the zone when they clear the puck down the ice and PPs will have to gain the zone and get set up significantly fewer times. Add in the PK team not being able to change and you end up with a tired PK group with fresh PP players.

A good PP should be able to get into the zone, set up, keep the puck in and generate scoring chances. I'm all for increasing scoring, but I think this change just makes scoring goals too easy on the PP by lowering the amount of times a PP would have to gain entry. I would prefer to leave that part the way it is but as a compromise, maybe allow a change after PK icing calls?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 25, 2021, 02:18:17 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 25, 2021, 02:04:19 PM
I'd like to see them basically flip the red line and the blueline when there are penalties. Once the team on the PP gains the zone, the puck has to cross the red line to be offside. For the team on the PK, they need to get the puck outside the blueline to not be called for icing.

I'd be ok with something like that too, or at the very least just your 2nd point about making icings at the blue line for the shorthanded team. I know this isn't an original complaint, but the idea that the league gives the PK team an advantage like that is just plain strange.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 25, 2021, 02:23:04 PM
Quote from: Deebo on March 25, 2021, 02:06:27 PM
Gaining zone entry is an important part of a good PP, and denying entry is a part of a good PK. PPs already start in the o-zone already, add in face offs in the zone when they clear the puck down the ice and PPs will have to gain the zone and get set up significantly fewer times. Add in the PK team not being able to change and you end up with a tired PK group with fresh PP players.

A good PP should be able to get into the zone, set up, keep the puck in and generate scoring chances. I'm all for increasing scoring, but I think this change just makes scoring goals too easy on the PP by lowering the amount of times a PP would have to gain entry. I would prefer to leave that part the way it is but as a compromise, maybe allow a change after PK icing calls?

It makes powerplays easier to score on, but I mean that's my goal. The very best, most elite powerplays in the league still only score at a rate of 30%. The league average is 20%. I don't really think the current threat of a powerplay and the ensuing penalty really deters many players from committing infractions. And I think even with a change like the one I suggested I doubt we'd see powerplay success skyrocket to above 50% or something like that.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 25, 2021, 02:30:03 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 25, 2021, 02:18:17 PM
I'd be ok with something like that too, or at the very least just your 2nd point about making icings at the blue line for the shorthanded team. I know this isn't an original complaint, but the idea that the league gives the PK team an advantage like that is just plain strange.

Yeah, the blue line icing would probably have the biggest impact, and be the less confusing transition.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 25, 2021, 02:44:37 PM
Now you guys are just talking "make the nets bigger" silly
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 25, 2021, 02:47:46 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 25, 2021, 02:44:37 PM
Now you guys are just talking "make the nets bigger" silly

Are we? The league's already had success with playing around with how certain lines work in the game (changing two line pass rules, tag up offsides, no touch-ish icings). None of that has been set in stone (or ice, get it?).
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 25, 2021, 02:54:11 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 25, 2021, 02:47:46 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 25, 2021, 02:44:37 PM
Now you guys are just talking "make the nets bigger" silly

Are we? The league's already had success with playing around with how certain lines work in the game (changing two line pass rules, tag up offsides, no touch-ish icings). None of that has been set in stone (or ice, get it?).
I don't think it's been posted here yet, despite being published a month ago, but this seems like a good opportunity to bring up the really thoughtful article that Ken Dryden wrote for The Atlantic about the state of goaltending:

https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2021/02/hockey-goalies-are-too-big-now/618021/
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 25, 2021, 02:55:17 PM
https://twitter.com/CBCAlerts/status/1375149985768017930

This is significant...
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 25, 2021, 03:02:33 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 25, 2021, 02:47:46 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 25, 2021, 02:44:37 PM
Now you guys are just talking "make the nets bigger" silly

Are we? The league's already had success with playing around with how certain lines work in the game (changing two line pass rules, tag up offsides, no touch-ish icings). None of that has been set in stone (or ice, get it?).

Lol yes, I get it.

I always cringe at rule changes that alter the flow of the game from "traditional".
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on March 25, 2021, 03:05:41 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 25, 2021, 01:34:41 PM
If the league ever decides to make changes to the penalties system (which I doubt they will anytime soon) I'd prefer something like this over making the less serious penalties 1 minute. 1 minute powerplays just seem like such a trivial punishment. One 50/50 face-off draw and there's a decent chance most of it has already been killed off (unless we also make icing's a thing while shorthanded, which I would also be in favour of).

I agree it seems like a bit of a trivial punishment...in every situation except ones where a minute of PP time(or PK time) is crucial and those are the moments, I feel, where you really want to discourage one of those infractions.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 25, 2021, 03:12:57 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 25, 2021, 02:54:11 PM
I don't think it's been posted here yet, despite being published a month ago, but this seems like a good opportunity to bring up the really thoughtful article that Ken Dryden wrote for The Atlantic about the state of goaltending:

https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2021/02/hockey-goalies-are-too-big-now/618021/

Dryden's point about goalies being bigger than ever is a valid one - especially with how he references how other sports have adapted to changes in technology and player height/size/etc. I read something a few weeks back about some testing (or something along those lines) with slightly bigger nets (I think 3 inches higher and wider), and the coaches and GMs didn't notice the difference from looking at the nets, but it did open up scoring some. So, marginally larger nets wouldn't have a huge impact on the game, but would move the needle some in terms of creating offence. I think it's something the league needs to consider. All sports and leagues need to evolve, and, as long as the basics of the game remain consistent, other aspects shouldn't be sacrosanct. Keep the net the same shape (there were some weird suggestions a few years back about new shapes for the net), keep the basic design of the rink the same, etc., but slightly larger nets or thinner posts or other changes along those lines? Everything like that should be on the table if the league is serious about increasing offence, etc. Over the years, they've already changed the shape, depth, and position of the nets relative to the end boards. Why do they need to stop now?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 25, 2021, 03:13:43 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 25, 2021, 02:54:11 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 25, 2021, 02:47:46 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 25, 2021, 02:44:37 PM
Now you guys are just talking "make the nets bigger" silly

Are we? The league's already had success with playing around with how certain lines work in the game (changing two line pass rules, tag up offsides, no touch-ish icings). None of that has been set in stone (or ice, get it?).
I don't think it's been posted here yet, despite being published a month ago, but this seems like a good opportunity to bring up the really thoughtful article that Ken Dryden wrote for The Atlantic about the state of goaltending:

https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2021/02/hockey-goalies-are-too-big-now/618021/

Reads like a goalie that's upset that goalies are so much better now ;)
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Rob on March 25, 2021, 03:21:30 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 25, 2021, 03:13:43 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 25, 2021, 02:54:11 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 25, 2021, 02:47:46 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 25, 2021, 02:44:37 PM
Now you guys are just talking "make the nets bigger" silly

Are we? The league's already had success with playing around with how certain lines work in the game (changing two line pass rules, tag up offsides, no touch-ish icings). None of that has been set in stone (or ice, get it?).
I don't think it's been posted here yet, despite being published a month ago, but this seems like a good opportunity to bring up the really thoughtful article that Ken Dryden wrote for The Atlantic about the state of goaltending:

https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2021/02/hockey-goalies-are-too-big-now/618021/

Reads like a goalie that's upset that goalies are so much better now ;)

That's also true for skaters.  Transport any of today's fourth line scrubs in a time machine back to the 1970's and they would like super stars. 
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 25, 2021, 03:23:56 PM
So, the league actually has a pretty good history of rule changes up on their website. It's interesting to see just how much the game has changed.

https://records.nhl.com/history/historical-rule-changes
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on March 25, 2021, 03:24:49 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 25, 2021, 02:18:17 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 25, 2021, 02:04:19 PM
I'd like to see them basically flip the red line and the blueline when there are penalties. Once the team on the PP gains the zone, the puck has to cross the red line to be offside. For the team on the PK, they need to get the puck outside the blueline to not be called for icing.

I'd be ok with something like that too, or at the very least just your 2nd point about making icings at the blue line for the shorthanded team. I know this isn't an original complaint, but the idea that the league gives the PK team an advantage like that is just plain strange.

B might be on to something. Just get rid of off-side altogether during a powerplay. The challenging part is if someone was "off-side" or not when a penalized player returned to the ice.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 25, 2021, 03:33:48 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on March 25, 2021, 03:24:49 PM
The challenging part is if someone was "off-side" or not when a penalized player returned to the ice.

Well when that becomes a controversy we can just go to phase 2 of my plan and get rid of offsides altogether.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 25, 2021, 03:38:14 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on March 25, 2021, 03:24:49 PM
The challenging part is if someone was "off-side" or not when a penalized player returned to the ice.

That could be easily resolved by, if the puck is outside the offensive zone, making the offside rule revert once the team killing the penalty gains control of the puck or it crosses the redline. Once the puck enters the offensive zone or if it's still in the zone when the penalty ends, it's straight back to business as usual.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 25, 2021, 03:38:19 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 25, 2021, 03:13:43 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 25, 2021, 02:54:11 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 25, 2021, 02:47:46 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 25, 2021, 02:44:37 PM
Now you guys are just talking "make the nets bigger" silly

Are we? The league's already had success with playing around with how certain lines work in the game (changing two line pass rules, tag up offsides, no touch-ish icings). None of that has been set in stone (or ice, get it?).
I don't think it's been posted here yet, despite being published a month ago, but this seems like a good opportunity to bring up the really thoughtful article that Ken Dryden wrote for The Atlantic about the state of goaltending:

https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2021/02/hockey-goalies-are-too-big-now/618021/

Reads like a goalie that's upset that goalies are so much better now ;)
My son's a goalie, and I agree with Dryden. There is way, way less open net to shoot at than there was 2+ decades ago because of how much space goalies take up. I think it is 100% by far the biggest reason scoring is so modest compared to 2+ decades ago.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 25, 2021, 03:40:47 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 25, 2021, 03:38:19 PM
My son's a goalie, and I agree with Dryden. There is way, way less open net to shoot at than there was 2+ decades ago because of how much space goalies take up. I think it is 100% by far the biggest reason scoring is so modest compared to 2+ decades ago.

The league has basically made every other reasonable equipment and rule change. There's probably still some room to slim goalie equipment, but we're rapidly approaching the point of diminishing returns there. Anything that's really going to impact goal scoring rates is going to need to be more drastic than some would like.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 25, 2021, 03:46:32 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 25, 2021, 03:40:47 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 25, 2021, 03:38:19 PM
My son's a goalie, and I agree with Dryden. There is way, way less open net to shoot at than there was 2+ decades ago because of how much space goalies take up. I think it is 100% by far the biggest reason scoring is so modest compared to 2+ decades ago.

The league has basically made every other reasonable equipment and rule change. There's probably still some room to slim goalie equipment, but we're rapidly approaching the point of diminishing returns there. Anything that's really going to impact goal scoring rates is going to need to be more drastic than some would like.
Like bigger nets? Not sure if you're agreeing with the implicit point or not.

I'm now on board with modestly bigger nets for adult/pro players, and I used to be vehemently against it. Like Dryden days, a few inches wider/taller is both significant and also generally imperceptible. Nobody's seriously talking about going to 5'x7' nets.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on March 25, 2021, 03:51:15 PM
The solution is obvious: smaller pucks!
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on March 25, 2021, 03:53:21 PM
Have we considered tying the goalies to each post.  that way they can't go down in the butterfly.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on March 25, 2021, 03:54:47 PM
Goalies also not allowed in the blue paint.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 25, 2021, 03:57:22 PM
Goalies need to take off one piece of equipment every 10 minutes.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 25, 2021, 04:03:13 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 25, 2021, 03:46:32 PM
Like bigger nets? Not sure if you're agreeing with the implicit point or not.

I'm now on board with modestly bigger nets for adult/pro players, and I used to be vehemently against it. Like Dryden days, a few inches wider/taller is both significant and also generally imperceptible. Nobody's seriously talking about going to 5'x7' nets.

Yeah. Modestly bigger nets feels like the logical next step. Just a few inches on either side and another few up top could make enough of a difference.

As long as they don't make them huge or go with some of the weird shaped concepts that were floating around a few years back...
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on March 25, 2021, 04:05:55 PM
Two blockers, no stick.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 25, 2021, 04:20:43 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 25, 2021, 03:13:43 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 25, 2021, 02:54:11 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 25, 2021, 02:47:46 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 25, 2021, 02:44:37 PM
Now you guys are just talking "make the nets bigger" silly

Are we? The league's already had success with playing around with how certain lines work in the game (changing two line pass rules, tag up offsides, no touch-ish icings). None of that has been set in stone (or ice, get it?).
I don't think it's been posted here yet, despite being published a month ago, but this seems like a good opportunity to bring up the really thoughtful article that Ken Dryden wrote for The Atlantic about the state of goaltending:

https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2021/02/hockey-goalies-are-too-big-now/618021/

Reads like a goalie that's upset that goalies are so much better now ;)
Haha. I think goalies today are more shot blockers then anything else. They are def better athletes though. Equipment is huge.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on March 25, 2021, 06:11:52 PM
Quote from: Frank E on March 25, 2021, 04:05:55 PM
Two blockers, no stick.

With broom-ball shoes.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 25, 2021, 10:37:00 PM
https://twitter.com/CMDeDominicis/status/1375263387983155202

"No, I really want to keep playing here in Buffalo."
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on March 26, 2021, 07:07:38 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 25, 2021, 10:37:00 PM
https://twitter.com/CMDeDominicis/status/1375263387983155202

"No, I really want to keep playing here in Buffalo."
Ha ha

"I really wanna finish what we started here in Buffalo. We're what, 16 winless now? Look at the schedule we can make that 40, no team will ever touch that record"
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 26, 2021, 08:13:53 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 25, 2021, 03:38:19 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 25, 2021, 03:13:43 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 25, 2021, 02:54:11 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 25, 2021, 02:47:46 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 25, 2021, 02:44:37 PM
Now you guys are just talking "make the nets bigger" silly

Are we? The league's already had success with playing around with how certain lines work in the game (changing two line pass rules, tag up offsides, no touch-ish icings). None of that has been set in stone (or ice, get it?).
I don't think it's been posted here yet, despite being published a month ago, but this seems like a good opportunity to bring up the really thoughtful article that Ken Dryden wrote for The Atlantic about the state of goaltending:

https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2021/02/hockey-goalies-are-too-big-now/618021/

Reads like a goalie that's upset that goalies are so much better now ;)
My son's a goalie, and I agree with Dryden. There is way, way less open net to shoot at than there was 2+ decades ago because of how much space goalies take up. I think it is 100% by far the biggest reason scoring is so modest compared to 2+ decades ago.

I don't disagree. I was kidding really.
I was a goalie through the 80's and 90's. I sort of fall between Dryden and today's goalies in style of play and equipment. When I made the reference to the nets, I was more referring to the bend of the posts that some people were suggesting. My brain can't compute it.

Goalies today are now puck blockers, not puck savers. They've gotten so big that they've been able to drop further back into their net and still block angles. This allows them to cover the width of the net much easier. I actually think that I have less of a problem with bigger nets than I do with removing offsides or changing penalty lengths.....and I'd grow to accept that as well.

A couple side notes:
Goals/Game are only down slightly from the 1970's and actually on par with the 1960's. Where you see the jump in scoring is in the 80's. About 1.5 goals more per game.
I think it's important to acknowledge how much better trained goalies(and players) are trained both physically and mentally now. I'm all for acknowledging a goalies large equipment. I also think it's important to acknowledge how much better of athletes they are now then they were in 1970, or for that matter, 1990 or 2000.

Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on March 26, 2021, 03:21:02 PM

Looks like Eric Staal to MTL is close.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 26, 2021, 03:23:52 PM
Quote from: Nik on March 26, 2021, 03:21:02 PM

Looks like Eric Staal to MTL is close.

Nice, I haven't really had a reason to hate Montreal for awhile.

#AllStaalsSuck
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on March 26, 2021, 03:25:04 PM
Hey Carlton. What's your feeling on the Staals?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 26, 2021, 03:27:48 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on March 26, 2021, 03:25:04 PM
Hey Carlton. What's your feeling on the Staals?

Their family should have spent a little less time at hockey practice and a little more time potty training them so they don't throw tantrums every time they poop their diapers.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on March 26, 2021, 03:30:41 PM

Official now according to Chris Johnston. 3rd and a 5th to Buffalo and they retain 50% of the salary.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on March 26, 2021, 03:52:37 PM
Quote from: Nik on March 26, 2021, 03:30:41 PM

Official now according to Chris Johnston. 3rd and a 5th to Buffalo and they retain 50% of the salary.
That seems very cheap to me.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 26, 2021, 04:01:13 PM
Quote from: Bender on March 26, 2021, 03:52:37 PM
Quote from: Nik on March 26, 2021, 03:30:41 PM
Official now according to Chris Johnston. 3rd and a 5th to Buffalo and they retain 50% of the salary.
That seems very cheap to me.

Staal only has 10 points this year. He's basically an okay 3rd line player.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 26, 2021, 04:01:14 PM
Quote from: Bender on March 26, 2021, 03:52:37 PM
Quote from: Nik on March 26, 2021, 03:30:41 PM

Official now according to Chris Johnston. 3rd and a 5th to Buffalo and they retain 50% of the salary.
That seems very cheap to me.

Maybe a little cheaper than what we'd see in a normal year but combine the fact that nobody from Buffalo is really doing themselves any favours in terms of building personal value and that the covid year obviously makes deadline deals a little less impactful because teams are getting less games out of their acquisitions and I think the drop off feels about right.

This isn't a perfect comparison because they play difference positions, but Andy Greene got a 2nd round pick and a not great prospect in David Quenneville from the Islanders last year. So here the 2nd round pick drops a round and the meh prospect gets subbed for a 5th. Again, feels about right.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on March 26, 2021, 07:08:33 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 26, 2021, 04:01:14 PM
Quote from: Bender on March 26, 2021, 03:52:37 PM
Quote from: Nik on March 26, 2021, 03:30:41 PM

Official now according to Chris Johnston. 3rd and a 5th to Buffalo and they retain 50% of the salary.
That seems very cheap to me.

Maybe a little cheaper than what we'd see in a normal year but combine the fact that nobody from Buffalo is really doing themselves any favours in terms of building personal value and that the covid year obviously makes deadline deals a little less impactful because teams are getting less games out of their acquisitions and I think the drop off feels about right.

This isn't a perfect comparison because they play difference positions, but Andy Greene got a 2nd round pick and a not great prospect in David Quenneville from the Islanders last year. So here the 2nd round pick drops a round and the meh prospect gets subbed for a 5th. Again, feels about right.
Give me Hall please.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on March 26, 2021, 08:42:42 PM
You can't look at Staal's production on Buffalo cause that entire team sucks. He could be a good add for the Habs, their version of Spezza for us.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on March 26, 2021, 09:18:20 PM
Bergevin executive of the year?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on March 27, 2021, 07:47:28 AM
Ovechkin is doing that thing again.  10 goals in his last 10 games.  He's 8 goals away from breaking into the top 5 in all time goal scoring.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 27, 2021, 01:30:42 PM
https://twitter.com/fan960steinberg/status/1375859301542076416

Sutter is doing that thing again.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 28, 2021, 07:40:51 PM
https://twitter.com/JeffMarek/status/1376313682989359105
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 28, 2021, 07:52:58 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 28, 2021, 07:40:51 PM
https://twitter.com/JeffMarek/status/1376313682989359105

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1376316162582188035
Don't look up the video if you're squeamish about knees going one way while the body falls the other way
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 28, 2021, 08:44:51 PM
https://twitter.com/Aportzline/status/1376257021830430729

I think this season has taken a toll on Aaron Portzline.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 28, 2021, 09:02:22 PM
Maybe he's pulling a Torts and trying to get fired.

Columbus by the way is 5-9-4 in their last 18 games and just lost back to back games against Detroit. Laine has 1 goal and 4 points in his last 16 games.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 28, 2021, 09:13:54 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 28, 2021, 09:02:22 PM
Maybe he's pulling a Torts and trying to get fired.

Columbus by the way is 5-9-4 in their last 18 games and just lost back to back games against Detroit. Laine has 1 goal and 4 points in his last 16 games.
Galchenyuk > Laine
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 28, 2021, 09:52:32 PM
https://twitter.com/ToughCallBlog/status/1376012255855321089
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 28, 2021, 11:25:16 PM
https://twitter.com/domluszczyszyn/status/1376371782031179777

But the North is the weak division...
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 29, 2021, 08:34:34 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 28, 2021, 09:52:32 PM
https://twitter.com/ToughCallBlog/status/1376012255855321089

I see nothing wrong with that play. A little chin music to keep him honest.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 29, 2021, 10:27:11 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 29, 2021, 08:34:34 AM
I see nothing wrong with that play. A little chin music to keep him honest.

You see nothing wrong with a crosscheck to the throat? Then, maybe, you need to re-examine things. That's an extremely dangerous play. Last thing the league needs is players cracking each other's windpipes.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 29, 2021, 10:39:19 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 29, 2021, 10:27:11 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 29, 2021, 08:34:34 AM
I see nothing wrong with that play. A little chin music to keep him honest.

You see nothing wrong with a crosscheck to the throat? Then, maybe, you need to re-examine things. That's an extremely dangerous play. Last thing the league needs is players cracking each other's windpipes.

2 min penalty in that game. 5 playoff game suspension for Kadri  ::)
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 29, 2021, 10:49:50 AM
Quote from: herman on March 29, 2021, 10:39:19 AM
2 min penalty in that game. 5 playoff game suspension for Kadri  ::)

Obviously. Should be 5 mins + a few games for it. Gotta be more careful with where that stick ends up. Crosschecks are an accepted illegal play (which is why there is a 2 minute penalty for them instead of an instant 5 and a game), and I don't have issue with the standard crosscheck when fighting for position, etc., but sticks should never be intentionally aimed with force at or near the neck. Mangiapane could easily have made the same statement aiming his blow a foot lower, into Scheifele's chest.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 29, 2021, 01:44:56 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 29, 2021, 10:27:11 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 29, 2021, 08:34:34 AM
I see nothing wrong with that play. A little chin music to keep him honest.

You see nothing wrong with a crosscheck to the throat? Then, maybe, you need to re-examine things. That's an extremely dangerous play. Last thing the league needs is players cracking each other's windpipes.

I was being sarcastic.  ::)
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 29, 2021, 02:41:08 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 29, 2021, 01:44:56 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 29, 2021, 10:27:11 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 29, 2021, 08:34:34 AM
I see nothing wrong with that play. A little chin music to keep him honest.

You see nothing wrong with a crosscheck to the throat? Then, maybe, you need to re-examine things. That's an extremely dangerous play. Last thing the league needs is players cracking each other's windpipes.

I was being sarcastic.  ::)

Haha. Sorry. Sarcasm doesn't translate well online.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 29, 2021, 03:55:30 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 29, 2021, 02:41:08 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 29, 2021, 01:44:56 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 29, 2021, 10:27:11 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 29, 2021, 08:34:34 AM
I see nothing wrong with that play. A little chin music to keep him honest.

You see nothing wrong with a crosscheck to the throat? Then, maybe, you need to re-examine things. That's an extremely dangerous play. Last thing the league needs is players cracking each other's windpipes.

I was being sarcastic.  ::)

Haha. Sorry. Sarcasm doesn't translate well online.

Yes it does.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on March 29, 2021, 05:25:12 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on March 29, 2021, 03:55:30 PM
Yes it does.


wait, are you being sarcastic here?  ;D
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Highlander on March 29, 2021, 05:43:55 PM
I came here for a good argument. No you didn't. Yes I did.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 29, 2021, 09:39:29 PM
Flyers just saved Vingeault's job for now. Almost losing to Buffalo - sad.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on March 29, 2021, 09:59:41 PM
https://twitter.com/LeafsAllDayy/status/1376714607302168579?s=19

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210330/b023bbc5becb2b9c89de081b749d5ff4.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on March 30, 2021, 09:59:12 AM
I can't believe the Sabres lost last night.  I checked the score and saw 3-0 going into the 3rd and figured Philly was in such a funk that the Sabres would finally win.  Nope.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on March 30, 2021, 11:04:45 AM
Since their COVID pause they have gone 2-19-3.  That's 24 point/82 game pace.  Before the pause they were 4-4-2.

Still 11 games off the Winnipeg Jets 30 games without a win.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 30, 2021, 11:19:52 AM
Quote from: L K on March 30, 2021, 11:04:45 AM
Since their COVID pause they have gone 2-19-3.  That's 24 point/82 game pace.  Before the pause they were 4-4-2.

Still 11 games off the Winnipeg Jets 30 games without a win.

They did break the record for consecutive losses last night (regardless of whether regulation, OT, or SO). Only 1 more loss from entering a 5-way tie for the 8th longest winless streak. Not looking like they'll get anywhere near the top pointless/regulation loss streaks, though.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 30, 2021, 11:34:09 AM
https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/1376904898697105416

1. This quote/exchange is truly amazing.

2. It'll be sad if Karlsson isn't remembered more for the defenceman he was with the sens.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 30, 2021, 11:42:45 AM
https://twitter.com/dylanfremlin/status/1376766079213608962
I really, really dig the teal.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 30, 2021, 12:02:28 PM
https://twitter.com/NHLFlyers/status/1376927220216782850

woooowww. I knew Ghostbear was struggling but this seems extreme. He has 2 years left on his deal after this one with a $4.5mil AAV.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 30, 2021, 12:09:27 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 30, 2021, 12:02:28 PM
woooowww. I knew Ghostbear was struggling but this seems extreme. He has 2 years left on his deal after this one with a $4.5mil AAV.

He's not producing anywhere near his cap hit, so no one is going to pick him up. Really fallen off over the last few seasons.

The Flyers are a train wreck.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 30, 2021, 12:16:34 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 30, 2021, 12:09:27 PM
He's not producing anywhere near his cap hit, so no one is going to pick him up. Really fallen off over the last few seasons.

I dunno, I could see a team like Detroit or LA with tons of cap space and openings on the left defence taking a chance on him. His salary also drops to $3.25mil for each of the last 2 seasons so that's something.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 30, 2021, 01:06:08 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 30, 2021, 12:16:34 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 30, 2021, 12:09:27 PM
He's not producing anywhere near his cap hit, so no one is going to pick him up. Really fallen off over the last few seasons.

I dunno, I could see a team like Detroit or LA with tons of cap space and openings on the left defence taking a chance on him. His salary also drops to $3.25mil for each of the last 2 seasons so that's something.

Maybe, but I don't think either of those teams do Philly a solid without getting something to sweeten the deal.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on March 30, 2021, 01:23:48 PM
He seems like he's a 35-40 point defenseman with significant defensive liability issues.

He's on 37 point pace this year.  Two years ago he put up the same points and 4 years ago did 39 points.  Last year was a down year production-wise and his 3rd season seems like an aberration when he put up 50 assists.

I do wonder if a team might take a chance that he's fixable but
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on March 30, 2021, 01:26:18 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 30, 2021, 11:34:09 AM
https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/1376904898697105416

1. This quote/exchange is truly amazing.

2. It'll be sad if Karlsson isn't remembered more for the defenceman he was with the sens.

I will still argue that Cooke knew exactly what he was doing when he stepped on Karlsson.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: . on March 30, 2021, 04:04:34 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 30, 2021, 11:34:09 AM
https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/1376904898697105416

1. This quote/exchange is truly amazing.

2. It'll be sad if Karlsson isn't remembered more for the defenceman he was with the sens.

If by amazing, you mean typical of his off-putting prima donna red carpet act, then yep, definitely amazing. Ugh, I could never root for a team with Karlsson on it.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 30, 2021, 04:57:15 PM
Quote from: Frycer14 on March 30, 2021, 04:04:34 PM
If by amazing, you mean typical of his off-putting prima donna red carpet act, then yep, definitely amazing.

No, I meant the standard definition of amazing.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 30, 2021, 08:12:16 PM
https://twitter.com/zjlaing/status/1377045179773808644
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 30, 2021, 08:16:49 PM
https://twitter.com/alisonl/status/1377050499774607363
Mikko Lehtonen accidentally takes Hedman out
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 30, 2021, 08:49:50 PM
Quote from: herman on March 30, 2021, 08:12:16 PM
https://twitter.com/zjlaing/status/1377045179773808644
If the score holds, the habs will be 6pts behind with 5 games in hand on the Oil. I think they may work their way ahead of the Oil by season's end. Could be tough because they have a lot of games to play.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 30, 2021, 08:50:49 PM
Quote from: herman on March 30, 2021, 08:16:49 PM
https://twitter.com/alisonl/status/1377050499774607363
Mikko Lehtonen accidentally takes Hedman out
Hedman returned and played. Lehtonen has played 11:40 through 2 periods.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 31, 2021, 12:27:28 AM
https://v.redd.it/nfyic5dxw5q61

Everything must go!
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on March 31, 2021, 09:18:35 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 31, 2021, 12:27:28 AM
https://v.redd.it/nfyic5dxw5q61

Everything must go!

This is brilliant  :D :D :D
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 31, 2021, 12:04:57 PM
Well Ghostbear cleared.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 31, 2021, 01:40:33 PM
https://twitter.com/JhanHky/status/1377276545350438912
Leafy examples:
The dev team Expanded on Kapanen's speed to make him a PK asset and scoring threat and Ignored his playmaking deficiencies by keeping him somewhat low in the lineup.

The dev team Addressed Gauthier's (and many others') skating deficiency as it is used constantly in game situations, and Ignored his lack of offensive creativity (it was really fun when he scored though, and it was always top cheddar snipe or banked off the backside).
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 31, 2021, 02:21:25 PM
Quote from: herman on March 30, 2021, 08:12:16 PM
https://twitter.com/zjlaing/status/1377045179773808644

The NHL deemed this (a) fine. It cost McDavid $5k, or 0.036% of this season's salary, or approximately $11 from someone who made $32k per year.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on March 31, 2021, 03:07:40 PM
meh, I think I'm fine with that fine. The hit itself (though late) wasn't that violent. The follow-through with the elbow wasn't good, obviously.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 31, 2021, 05:20:35 PM
Demko signed a 5x5mill contract extension with Vancouver today. 
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on March 31, 2021, 07:15:11 PM
Roughly 1/3 of Dallas Stars games end with an overtime loss.  The have one more overtime loss than the Habs
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 01, 2021, 09:41:18 AM
https://twitter.com/theavsabs/status/1377499543823024130
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on April 01, 2021, 10:48:13 AM
That's great. Someone needs to add some Mortal Kombat sounds.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Highlander on April 01, 2021, 12:21:54 PM
Quote from: herman on March 31, 2021, 02:21:25 PM
Quote from: herman on March 30, 2021, 08:12:16 PM
https://twitter.com/zjlaing/status/1377045179773808644

The NHL deemed this (a) fine. It cost McDavid $5k, or 0.036% of this season's salary, or approximately $11 from someone who made $32k per year.
Can't believe there is no suspension, that was just vicious. Oh wait its McDavid, give him a pass!
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Highlander on April 01, 2021, 12:23:25 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 01, 2021, 09:41:18 AM
https://twitter.com/theavsabs/status/1377499543823024130
Another suspension that won't happen. Never, ever throw things in anger, it sometimes doesn't end up well.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 01, 2021, 10:14:26 PM
Let's check in and see how Jeff Skinner's season is going:

https://twitter.com/hockeycontext/status/1377789268958048263
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 01, 2021, 10:58:48 PM
https://twitter.com/garylawless/status/1377809486685949955
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on April 02, 2021, 08:38:44 AM

Seriously, how is that good for the game?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on April 02, 2021, 11:10:17 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 01, 2021, 10:58:48 PM
https://twitter.com/garylawless/status/1377809486685949955
Is this due to covid or cap circumvention?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 02, 2021, 11:15:05 AM
Quote from: Bender on April 02, 2021, 11:10:17 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 01, 2021, 10:58:48 PM
https://twitter.com/garylawless/status/1377809486685949955
Is this due to covid or cap circumvention?
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1377805837687787521

A bit of everything!
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on April 02, 2021, 11:17:22 AM
Apparently the Montreal media asked Cole Caufield's coach to compare his goal scoring instincts to that of Wayne Gretzky. 

They might have set their expectations on the player a little high.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 02, 2021, 01:18:53 PM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on April 02, 2021, 11:17:22 AM
Apparently the Montreal media asked Cole Caufield's coach to compare his goal scoring instincts to that of Wayne Gretzky. 

They might have set their expectations on the player a little high.

Only a little. I mean, the kid is only 5'7". Unless he has a growth spurt, he's only going to be able to do so much with his speed and skill.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 02, 2021, 06:53:51 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1378095149230784514
And staff too
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 02, 2021, 07:21:06 PM
Quote from: herman on April 02, 2021, 06:53:51 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1378095149230784514
And staff too

And that there is why they had to cancel that game even though there was only one official case at the time.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 03, 2021, 07:57:22 AM
https://twitter.com/farhanlaljitsn/status/1378216686168334339
No bueno
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on April 03, 2021, 08:10:26 AM
Quote from: herman on April 03, 2021, 07:57:22 AM
https://twitter.com/farhanlaljitsn/status/1378216686168334339
No bueno

This isn't good at all.  Hope they make a full recovery and nobody else gets infected
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Highlander on April 03, 2021, 12:21:57 PM
scary when young men if top physical condition are getting so ill, may be a variant. Hell I am in my mid 60's and overweight, its pretty scary stuff.  Looks like at least another 2 weeks before my wife and I can get jabbed.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on April 03, 2021, 12:33:22 PM
Quote from: Highlander on April 03, 2021, 12:21:57 PM
scary when young men if top physical condition are getting so ill, may be a variant. Hell I am in my mid 60's and overweight, its pretty scary stuff.  Looks like at least another 2 weeks before my wife and I can get jabbed.

Sounds like it might be the Brazilian variant.  This could be really bad for a few of these guys careers. 

The only thing that should matter right now is player health and safety but I do wonder how Vancouver is going to finish their season. 

Four games against Toronto, Calgary, Ottawa
Five games against Edmonton
Three games against Winnipeg

We are either going to see an AHL team play NHL games or the schedule might have to be changed entirely as in some of those games turn into Toronto vs Ottawa type moves.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on April 03, 2021, 01:20:51 PM
Quote from: L K on April 03, 2021, 12:33:22 PM
Quote from: Highlander on April 03, 2021, 12:21:57 PM
scary when young men if top physical condition are getting so ill, may be a variant. Hell I am in my mid 60's and overweight, its pretty scary stuff.  Looks like at least another 2 weeks before my wife and I can get jabbed.

Sounds like it might be the Brazilian variant.  This could be really bad for a few of these guys careers. 

The only thing that should matter right now is player health and safety but I do wonder how Vancouver is going to finish their season. 

Four games against Toronto, Calgary, Ottawa
Five games against Edmonton
Three games against Winnipeg

We are either going to see an AHL team play NHL games or the schedule might have to be changed entirely as in some of those games turn into Toronto vs Ottawa type moves.
Seeing as P1 is the most prevalent in BC I do feel like it probably is that variant. We really need to snuff this variant out as it might be the worst of them all at the moment.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 03, 2021, 03:18:19 PM
Quote from: L K on April 03, 2021, 12:33:22 PM
Quote from: Highlander on April 03, 2021, 12:21:57 PM
scary when young men if top physical condition are getting so ill, may be a variant. Hell I am in my mid 60's and overweight, its pretty scary stuff.  Looks like at least another 2 weeks before my wife and I can get jabbed.

Sounds like it might be the Brazilian variant.  This could be really bad for a few of these guys careers. 

The only thing that should matter right now is player health and safety but I do wonder how Vancouver is going to finish their season. 

Four games against Toronto, Calgary, Ottawa
Five games against Edmonton
Three games against Winnipeg

We are either going to see an AHL team play NHL games or the schedule might have to be changed entirely as in some of those games turn into Toronto vs Ottawa type moves.
I don't see them changing the teams because there's no way of making that fair. It will be against whatever team they can assemble just like it's been for teams going against Buffalo and Dallas. Once the 10 days is up and if they don't get anymore cases they will have to put a team on the ice. Good thing Van has played so many games up to this point.

Edited because just saw Van now has 14 players and 3 coaches on the list and it's the Brazilian Variant. No way they'll be playing next week. Looks like the season will go beyond May 11th now.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 03, 2021, 06:40:28 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 02, 2021, 07:21:06 PM
Quote from: herman on April 02, 2021, 06:53:51 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1378095149230784514
And staff too

And that there is why they had to cancel that game even though there was only one official case at the time.
Now 16 players and 3 coaches:

https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1378471271290306568
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on April 03, 2021, 06:45:10 PM
Scary stuff. I am hoping for the best for everyone inside and outside hockey.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 03, 2021, 07:00:13 PM
https://twitter.com/risingaction/status/1378391117217984514
Travis Boyd had one skate with the group after serving the 7-day isolation and is now on the Covid list.
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1378455808061607942
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 04, 2021, 12:57:24 PM
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1378743923728916485

I obviously haven't been expecting them to name names or anything like that, but I was wondering when we were going to start hearing about how it's spread to the players' households. That just seemed inevitable. Brutal situation.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on April 04, 2021, 04:44:20 PM
It's a good thing coaches wear masks to prevent such an even from happening.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 04, 2021, 05:34:13 PM
https://twitter.com/heresyourreplay/status/1378520136479604739
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on April 04, 2021, 10:47:09 PM
Pretty wild Detroit beat up on Tampa and that Florida is first in the central.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 05, 2021, 12:18:40 AM
https://twitter.com/grantmccagg/status/1378914765356027905

His name is Jakob Chychrun and he plays for the Coyotes, not the Ducks. But aside from those two incredibly minor errors anybody can make this tweet has brought to my attention that Chychrun is having a pretty terrific season. Tied for the league lead among defencemen in goals. 4th on the Coyotes in points. Leads the team in ice-time at 23:15 a game. Pretty solid underlying numbers too, especially for playing on Arizona. Finally starting to look more like the player people thought would be a lottery pick.
Title: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on April 05, 2021, 07:46:05 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 05, 2021, 12:18:40 AM
https://twitter.com/grantmccagg/status/1378914765356027905

His name is Jakob Chychrun and he plays for the Coyotes, not the Ducks. But aside from those two incredibly minor errors anybody can make this tweet has brought to my attention that Chychrun is having a pretty terrific season. Tied for the league lead among defencemen in goals. 4th on the Coyotes in points. Leads the team in ice-time at 23:15 a game. Pretty solid underlying numbers too, especially for playing on Arizona. Finally starting to look more like the player people thought would be a lottery pick.
Best response to McCagg someone said "Vladdy Guerrero Sr. had a home run for the Yankees yesterday"

Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 05, 2021, 09:17:21 AM
Quote from: Zee on April 05, 2021, 07:46:05 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 05, 2021, 12:18:40 AM
https://twitter.com/grantmccagg/status/1378914765356027905

His name is Jakob Chychrun and he plays for the Coyotes, not the Ducks. But aside from those two incredibly minor errors anybody can make this tweet has brought to my attention that Chychrun is having a pretty terrific season. Tied for the league lead among defencemen in goals. 4th on the Coyotes in points. Leads the team in ice-time at 23:15 a game. Pretty solid underlying numbers too, especially for playing on Arizona. Finally starting to look more like the player people thought would be a lottery pick.
Best response to McCagg someone said "Vladdy Guerrero Sr. had a home run for the Yankees yesterday"


I'd totally forgotten that Jakob is the son of an NHLer.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 05, 2021, 11:01:35 AM
Cody Ceci as a sen
https://twitter.com/Senators/status/1078824012707438592
https://twitter.com/TheFlintor/status/1112162463162593281

Cody Ceci as a Pen
https://twitter.com/dylanfremlin/status/1354965020468109313
https://twitter.com/yinzzzerr/status/1367133835088003074
https://twitter.com/dylanfremlin/status/1378424296658231298

Cody Ceci as a Leaf
https://twitter.com/TicTacTOmar/status/1292134886657204224
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 06, 2021, 09:28:33 AM
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1379413327747629061

QuoteBut while McDavid made the top 10 on every survey, one NHL player personnel official and a veteran defenseman left MacKinnon completely off of their top 10s.

Excuse me?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on April 06, 2021, 09:34:48 AM

Maybe it's me but Mackinnon rarely comes to mind when I think about great players in today's NHL. I know the numbers are there but I don't think I've seen an Avalanche game(aside from the ones against the Leafs) since he emerged and without high level international hockey he's kind of hidden away.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 06, 2021, 09:45:40 AM
Quote from: Nik on April 06, 2021, 09:34:48 AM

Maybe it's me but Mackinnon rarely comes to mind when I think about great players in today's NHL. I know the numbers are there but I don't think I've seen an Avalanche game(aside from the ones against the Leafs) since he emerged and without high level international hockey he's kind of hidden away.

I kind of think that's the case for the Avalanche as a whole. They have a strong analytics group and are well managed both on and off the ice (look at that cap sheet and box scores), so there's almost no drama aside from the recent bowling memes.

Also, they are sporting Keaton Middleton on their taxi squad.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 06, 2021, 09:46:41 AM
Quote from: Nik on April 06, 2021, 09:34:48 AM
Maybe it's me but Mackinnon rarely comes to mind when I think about great players in today's NHL. I know the numbers are there but I don't think I've seen an Avalanche game(aside from the ones against the Leafs) since he emerged and without high level international hockey he's kind of hidden away.

I've had the pleasure of having him lead my fantasy keeper team for a number of years now, so I probably keep more of an eye on him. I think they got him in the right spot at number 2 with Matthews at 3. Matthews should pass him though in the next year or so.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on April 06, 2021, 10:16:11 AM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1379436778025799680
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 06, 2021, 10:44:20 AM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1379444168162967556

(https://img.ifunny.co/images/6a7e17fa4c98496473d1daf75f26c7594d8e68e7b49c068fe60ab7b7f7c2acce_1.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on April 06, 2021, 11:34:07 AM
Quote from: Nik on April 06, 2021, 10:16:11 AM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1379436778025799680

This actually helps the Habs.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 06, 2021, 11:44:14 AM
Quote from: Zee on April 06, 2021, 11:34:07 AM
This actually helps the Habs.

Earlier in the season, I would have absolutely agreed, but Price has been very good over the last month or so, while Allen is coming back to earth/regressing to his normal performance level. It doesn't hurt them as much as it would have a few years ago, but I don't think it helps them. Having to rely on Allen and an inexperienced backup for an extended period isn't an upgrade.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on April 06, 2021, 11:45:12 AM
I'm surprised at the lack of trades leading up to the deadline especially with the 7 day quarantine rule for U.S. to Canada trades.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Highlander on April 06, 2021, 11:51:30 AM
The Price is not right!
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on April 06, 2021, 12:29:22 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1379467066072240128?s=20

Will a trade go down today or tomorrow?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 06, 2021, 12:32:24 PM
Quote from: Zee on April 06, 2021, 12:29:22 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1379467066072240128?s=20

Will a trade go down today or tomorrow?
Unless he gets a great offer, I think this one goes down to the deadline.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on April 06, 2021, 12:35:00 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on April 06, 2021, 12:32:24 PM
Quote from: Zee on April 06, 2021, 12:29:22 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1379467066072240128?s=20

Will a trade go down today or tomorrow?
Unless he gets a great offer, I think this one goes down to the deadline.

If they think they can hit a home run in a trade for a UFA whose best years are behind him I hope they're left holding the bag and get nothing.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on April 06, 2021, 12:39:03 PM

Even though I think it was a defensible choice for that year the fact that Hall won an MVP feels like one of those things we'll all look back on in a few years and be like "Him? Really?"
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 06, 2021, 12:53:19 PM
Quote from: Nik on April 06, 2021, 12:39:03 PM

Even though I think it was a defensible choice for that year the fact that Hall won an MVP feels like one of those things we'll all look back on in a few years and be like "Him? Really?"
Maybe...He def had an outstanding year when he won it, dragging the Devils into the playoffs. He finished 41 pts ahead of the next guy, had a 26 game point streak. No one was more valuable to his team then Hall that year. He's def dropped off after leaving NJ. I think he's still a good player but not as good as he once was, especially with Buff.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 06, 2021, 01:09:13 PM
Quote from: Zee on April 06, 2021, 11:45:12 AM
I'm surprised at the lack of trades leading up to the deadline especially with the 7 day quarantine rule for U.S. to Canada trades.

Too many teams not in a clear buy or sell position right now. Teams are going to have to make some very difficult decisions on the direction they want to take.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 06, 2021, 01:50:20 PM
I just went from looking at Hall's Hart winner season, to thinking that McDavid arguably should have won it if it wasn't for the fact that non-playoff players aren't eligible or something, to thinking that it's a shame that McDavid has only won it once so far despite being the best player of his generation, to seeing that Crosby has only won it twice despite being the best player of his generation, and then to seeing that Lemieux only won it three times despite being a top-3 player of all time.

The Hart's a hard trophy to win.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on April 06, 2021, 02:10:56 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 06, 2021, 01:50:20 PM
I just went from looking at Hall's Hart winner season, to thinking that McDavid arguably should have won it if it wasn't for the fact that non-playoff players aren't eligible or something, to thinking that it's a shame that McDavid has only won it once so far despite being the best player of his generation, to seeing that Crosby has only won it twice despite being the best player of his generation, and then to seeing that Lemieux only won it three times despite being a top-3 player of all time.

The Hart's a hard trophy to win.

Voters love to overthink things.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 06, 2021, 02:14:12 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 06, 2021, 01:50:20 PM
I just went from looking at Hall's Hart winner season, to thinking that McDavid arguably should have won it if it wasn't for the fact that non-playoff players aren't eligible or something, to thinking that it's a shame that McDavid has only won it once so far despite being the best player of his generation, to seeing that Crosby has only won it twice despite being the best player of his generation, and then to seeing that Lemieux only won it three times despite being a top-3 player of all time.

The Hart's a hard trophy to win.

To win it, it seems like you either have to have an unexpectedly dominant season, be a generational talent in your second season, return from a major injury to have a dominant season, lead the league in points by a significant margin (which varies by season, era, etc.), or have the voters feel like you were snubbed in previous seasons and you just deserve one.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 06, 2021, 10:39:21 PM
https://twitter.com/BradyTrett/status/1379618336850411521
I love this so much. Maybe even more than the Marincin.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 06, 2021, 11:56:44 PM
https://twitter.com/TomGulittiNHL/status/1379621805078544385
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 07, 2021, 08:24:33 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 06, 2021, 11:56:44 PM
https://twitter.com/TomGulittiNHL/status/1379621805078544385

Last team I would have guessed. Good for them for not being more than just better than the Sabres.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 07, 2021, 02:43:26 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1379861994820534278
https://twitter.com/harmandayal2/status/1379860010323177473

https://twitter.com/passittobulis/status/1379095357888491530
A player was pulled from practice after a positive test result came through; the practice continued and a morning skate was held the next day as well. Injured players and support staff (who are masked and not on the ice) are unaffected thus far. This should be all the proof needed that this illness spreads even on the ice (I don't know why the NHL thought it wouldn't).
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 07, 2021, 02:53:57 PM
So, basically, the entire team is infected? Great.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on April 07, 2021, 05:25:48 PM
Quote from: herman on April 07, 2021, 02:43:26 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1379861994820534278
https://twitter.com/harmandayal2/status/1379860010323177473

https://twitter.com/passittobulis/status/1379095357888491530
A player was pulled from practice after a positive test result came through; the practice continued and a morning skate was held the next day as well. Injured players and support staff (who are masked and not on the ice) are unaffected thus far. This should be all the proof needed that this illness spreads even on the ice (I don't know why the NHL thought it wouldn't).
Hypothetically it should actually transfer easier on the ice due to colder conditions, lack of ventilation and being in an area with boards.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Highlander on April 07, 2021, 05:26:08 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on April 07, 2021, 02:53:57 PM
So, basically, the entire team is infected? Great.
On the positive side, this means they can't play. ;)
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 08, 2021, 08:31:56 PM
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1380279750028054541

Jim Benning strikes again, yikes. 
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 08, 2021, 08:36:39 PM
That's not necessarily a terrible contract. Pearson has shown an ability to be a ~40 point guy. The Canucks should be focused on trading him, but that's a different issue.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on April 08, 2021, 08:40:53 PM
Quote from: Bender on April 07, 2021, 05:25:48 PM

A player was pulled from practice after a positive test result came through; the practice continued and a morning skate was held the next day as well. Injured players and support staff (who are masked and not on the ice) are unaffected thus far. This should be all the proof needed that this illness spreads even on the ice (I don't know why the NHL thought it wouldn't).
Hypothetically it should actually transfer easier on the ice due to colder conditions, lack of ventilation and being in an area with boards.
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Most doctors I've spoken to are unconcerned with the on ice situations, as long as movement is occurring. Where the issue occurs is when they scrum to go over a talk with the coach. In minor hockey we were asked to keep spacing on the ice. The NHL hasn't enforced those same protocols. To me, that's where it happens.

I've also been rather disturbed with how much guys still spit while on the ice. You'd think that of all the things they can enforce, that would be one of the first.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 08, 2021, 08:53:13 PM
https://twitter.com/DimFilipovic/status/1380312867627397121?s=19
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on April 08, 2021, 09:01:08 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on April 08, 2021, 08:40:53 PM
Quote from: Bender on April 07, 2021, 05:25:48 PM

A player was pulled from practice after a positive test result came through; the practice continued and a morning skate was held the next day as well. Injured players and support staff (who are masked and not on the ice) are unaffected thus far. This should be all the proof needed that this illness spreads even on the ice (I don't know why the NHL thought it wouldn't).
Hypothetically it should actually transfer easier on the ice due to colder conditions, lack of ventilation and being in an area with boards.

Most doctors I've spoken to are unconcerned with the on ice situations, as long as movement is occurring. Where the issue occurs is when they scrum to go over a talk with the coach. In minor hockey we were asked to keep spacing on the ice. The NHL hasn't enforced those same protocols. To me, that's where it happens.

I've also been rather disturbed with how much guys still spit while on the ice. You'd think that of all the things they can enforce, that would be one of the first.
[/quote]

Ok, but MD doctors are not virologists or epidemiologists, and I have heard evidence to the contrary by both. If team A has a positive case, plays a game against Team B then a player on Team B gets sick then that is enough I think to at least take it seriously that it can happen on the ice. As a parallel in gyms people are also hypothetically moving around in large spaces and not necessarily in close contact and they still have become sick. Cold, dry conditions do keep viruses viable for longer, that's why you out viruses in fridges or freezers to store them.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6941a4.htm?s_cid=mm6941a4_w

https://champ.gothamist.com/champ/gothamist/news/shut-the-schools-down-dont-shut-hockey-down-hockey-fans-bristle-at-governor-murphys-threat?__twitter_impression=true

Close contact is likely most risky but that doesn't mean on ice conditions aren't.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 08, 2021, 10:03:14 PM
https://twitter.com/JShannonhl/status/1380331827823583233

So then the 25-14-2 Oilers are 16-14-2 against the rest of the North.

Edit: And if you remove the Ottawa games, Edmonton's goal differential goes from +19 to -4!
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 09, 2021, 04:06:18 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on April 08, 2021, 08:36:39 PM
That's not necessarily a terrible contract. Pearson has shown an ability to be a ~40 point guy. The Canucks should be focused on trading him, but that's a different issue.
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1380274327094968329
Interesting...I know who I'd want..
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on April 09, 2021, 08:05:23 AM
Quote from: Bender on April 08, 2021, 09:01:08 PM

Ok, but MD doctors are not virologists or epidemiologists, and I have heard evidence to the contrary by both. If team A has a positive case, plays a game against Team B then a player on Team B gets sick then that is enough I think to at least take it seriously that it can happen on the ice. As a parallel in gyms people are also hypothetically moving around in large spaces and not necessarily in close contact and they still have become sick. Cold, dry conditions do keep viruses viable for longer, that's why you out viruses in fridges or freezers to store them.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6941a4.htm?s_cid=mm6941a4_w

https://champ.gothamist.com/champ/gothamist/news/shut-the-schools-down-dont-shut-hockey-down-hockey-fans-bristle-at-governor-murphys-threat?__twitter_impression=true

Close contact is likely most risky but that doesn't mean on ice conditions aren't.

Pretty sure I didn't say I don't take the risk seriously. Unconcerned perhaps was the wrong term to use. I agree that transmission can happen on the ice. All I said is that I'd be more concerned when the group of players come together for a chat with the coach as opposed to when they're actually running drills. I think that sort of makes sense.

Note: I wouldn't consider the space in a gym equal to that in a gym. I also wouldn't consider the movement in a gym equal to that of an NHL Practice.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 09, 2021, 08:28:36 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 08, 2021, 10:03:14 PM
https://twitter.com/JShannonhl/status/1380331827823583233

So then the 25-14-2 Oilers are 16-14-2 against the rest of the North.

Edit: And if you remove the Ottawa games, Edmonton's goal differential goes from +19 to -4!

Edmonton is probably the most extreme example, but you can do that to a few teams in the league this season. Equally as amusing is Montreal: 6-0-3 against Vancouver, 11-11-6 against the rest of the division, and from +17 to even.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 09, 2021, 08:44:46 AM
https://twitter.com/EdmontonJack/status/1380336799583625217
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 09, 2021, 08:55:30 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on April 09, 2021, 08:28:36 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 08, 2021, 10:03:14 PM
https://twitter.com/JShannonhl/status/1380331827823583233

So then the 25-14-2 Oilers are 16-14-2 against the rest of the North.

Edit: And if you remove the Ottawa games, Edmonton's goal differential goes from +19 to -4!

Edmonton is probably the most extreme example, but you can do that to a few teams in the league this season. Equally as amusing is Montreal: 6-0-3 against Vancouver, 11-11-6 against the rest of the division, and from +17 to even.
Or if you take away Toronto's record against Edmonton...
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 09, 2021, 08:58:28 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 09, 2021, 08:44:46 AM
https://twitter.com/EdmontonJack/status/1380336799583625217
That's.... a take.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on April 09, 2021, 09:05:36 AM

I mean, it's true. You can always make an argument for any team that the single most impactful player as to whether or not they win or lose is the goalie but given that goalies don't win the Hart every year it's kind of a stupid one to bring up.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 09, 2021, 09:10:27 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 09, 2021, 08:55:30 AM
Or if you take away Toronto's record against Edmonton...

21-9-1 would still have the Leafs with the best point % in the division, whereas Edmonton and Montreal would be battling with Vancouver and Calgary for the final 2 playoff spots.

The Leafs have earned at least 60% of the available points against all 6 divisional opponents.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 09, 2021, 09:21:56 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on April 09, 2021, 09:10:27 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 09, 2021, 08:55:30 AM
Or if you take away Toronto's record against Edmonton...

21-9-1 would still have the Leafs with the best point % in the division, whereas Edmonton and Montreal would be battling with Vancouver and Calgary for the final 2 playoff spots.

The Leafs have earned at least 60% of the available points against all 6 divisional opponents.

Just to expand on this, here are the 4 Northern playoff teams against the other 3 playoff teams:

Toronto: 13-4-2
Edmonton: 8-10-2
Winnipeg: 9-8-2
Montreal: 7-6-4

3 teams are clearly feasting on Vancouver, Calgary, and Ottawa, while the Leafs are just beating up on everyone so far.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on April 09, 2021, 09:26:25 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on April 09, 2021, 09:21:56 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on April 09, 2021, 09:10:27 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 09, 2021, 08:55:30 AM
Or if you take away Toronto's record against Edmonton...

21-9-1 would still have the Leafs with the best point % in the division, whereas Edmonton and Montreal would be battling with Vancouver and Calgary for the final 2 playoff spots.

The Leafs have earned at least 60% of the available points against all 6 divisional opponents.

Just to expand on this, here are the 4 Northern playoff teams against the other 3 playoff teams:

Toronto: 13-4-2
Edmonton: 8-10-2
Winnipeg: 9-8-2
Montreal: 7-6-4

3 teams are clearly feasting on Vancouver, Calgary, and Ottawa, while the Leafs are just beating up on everyone so far.

Edmonton 17-4 against the non playoff teams.  They'd be fighting for their playoff lives without that.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 09, 2021, 09:38:31 AM
Quote from: Zee on April 09, 2021, 09:26:25 AM
Edmonton 17-4 against the non playoff teams.  They'd be fighting for their playoff lives without that.

Not significantly more than any of the others. They're all piling up points against the Flames, Nucks, and sens.

Winnipeg is 15-5-1, and Montreal is 10-5-5.

Leafs are 14-6-1 against the 3 non playoff teams, which is right around their point percentage overall.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on April 09, 2021, 09:56:42 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on April 09, 2021, 09:38:31 AM
Quote from: Zee on April 09, 2021, 09:26:25 AM
Edmonton 17-4 against the non playoff teams.  They'd be fighting for their playoff lives without that.

Not significantly more than any of the others. They're all piling up points against the Flames, Nucks, and sens.

Winnipeg is 15-5-1, and Montreal is 10-5-5.

Leafs are 14-6-1 against the 3 non playoff teams, which is right around their point percentage overall.

I think it just shows how much better the Leafs are to have a very good record against the current playoff teams.  In a normal season all 3 of Edmonton, Winnipeg and Montreal wouldn't make the playoffs in their normal divisions.  (edit: not saying they would all miss the playoffs, I'm saying not all 3 would make it in together)
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on April 09, 2021, 12:14:31 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1380551821991743494

KHL success to the NHL can be a hard thing to predict.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 09, 2021, 12:23:47 PM
Quote from: Nik on April 09, 2021, 12:14:31 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1380551821991743494

KHL success to the NHL can be a hard thing to predict.

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1380556784570621953
Or perhaps a play at a better fit/team opportunity
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 09, 2021, 12:24:19 PM
Quote from: Nik on April 09, 2021, 12:14:31 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1380551821991743494

KHL success to the NHL can be a hard thing to predict.

He did have 44 points in 66 games in his 1st NHL season last year though. And that was with a slow-ish start as he got used to the league: 8 points in first 20 games, 36 points in his last 46 games. Wonder if someone else takes a shot at him on a cheap deal for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 09, 2021, 12:25:08 PM
https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/1380551100734918665
This is fun
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 09, 2021, 12:28:02 PM
I also wonder if this trend of terminating an expensive, hard-to-trade contract before the deadline so a player can find another team prior to the playoffs becomes a more regular thing. Buffalo of course did it with Bogosian last year, New Jersey here. Makes sense for both parties really.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 09, 2021, 12:43:18 PM
With Gusev gone Andreas Johnsson is now the oldest forward on New Jersey's roster. He's 26 years old. That's nuts.

Johnsson is also having a pretty terrible season there unfortunately. 3 goals and 8 points in 38 games.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 09, 2021, 12:46:53 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 09, 2021, 12:24:19 PM
He did have 44 points in 66 games in his 1st NHL season last year though. And that was with a slow-ish start as he got used to the league: 8 points in first 20 games, 36 points in his last 46 games. Wonder if someone else takes a shot at him on a cheap deal for the rest of the season.

If he could be assigned the taxi squad without waivers, he might have been a potentially interesting pickup for the Leafs to see if they could work with him the same way as they did with Galchenyuk. Unfortunately, since he'll have to sign a new contract, passing through unconditional waivers doesn't help there (I don't think).
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 09, 2021, 12:51:41 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on April 09, 2021, 12:46:53 PM
If he could be assigned the taxi squad without waivers, he might have been a potentially interesting pickup for the Leafs to see if they could work with him the same way as they did with Galchenyuk. Unfortunately, since he'll have to sign a new contract, passing through unconditional waivers doesn't help there (I don't think).

Yeah I was thinking if we didn't already have Gally he would have been a good pick-up to replace what we lost in Vesey and Boyd. Now though it probably doesn't make a ton of sense. There's also a lot less time to "rehab" him like we did with Gally.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 09, 2021, 01:13:09 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 09, 2021, 12:51:41 PM
Yeah I was thinking if we didn't already have Gally he would have been a good pick-up to replace what we lost in Vesey and Boyd. Now though it probably doesn't make a ton of sense. There's also a lot less time to "rehab" him like we did with Gally.

True. I was thinking that he could provide potential depth/injury insurance for the playoffs if the team was able to go that route, but, since it's not really on the table, oh well.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 09, 2021, 02:09:52 PM


Quote from: bustaheims on April 09, 2021, 09:10:27 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 09, 2021, 08:55:30 AM
Or if you take away Toronto's record against Edmonton...

21-9-1 would still have the Leafs with the best point % in the division, whereas Edmonton and Montreal would be battling with Vancouver and Calgary for the final 2 playoff spots.

The Leafs have earned at least 60% of the available points against all 6 divisional opponents.

I was actually just low-key taking an additional shot at Edmonton.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 09, 2021, 08:36:35 PM
https://twitter.com/Hockey_Robinson/status/1380678466371129346
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 09, 2021, 10:10:13 PM
https://twitter.com/hockeycontext/status/1380702960301322241
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 09, 2021, 10:38:22 PM
On Wednesday Minnesota beat Colorado 8-3. Tonight they lost to St. Louis by a score of 9-1.

That's wild.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 09, 2021, 11:36:35 PM
https://twitter.com/Avalanche/status/1380697307037896706

No. Freaking. Way.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 10, 2021, 10:57:49 AM
https://twitter.com/EvolvingHockey/status/1380896094842929153
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 10, 2021, 11:03:35 AM
https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/1380289833587838984

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1380574224713191425
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on April 10, 2021, 11:15:45 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 09, 2021, 11:36:35 PM
https://twitter.com/Avalanche/status/1380697307037896706

No. Freaking. Way.

I didn't think he was ever going to touch the NHL
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on April 10, 2021, 11:21:22 AM
Good for him...he's a big boy at 6'5 230lbs according to hockeydb.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 10, 2021, 11:29:31 AM
Quote from: L K on April 10, 2021, 11:15:45 AM
I didn't think he was ever going to touch the NHL

Looks like it took 4 injuries and a suspension on Colorado's blueline for him to get a shot, but I'm sure that doesn't matter to a guy playing his first NHL game.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 11, 2021, 12:25:31 AM
We were assured by the Sportsnet experts that McDavid and Draisaitl were going to explode tonight in response to the big game by Matthews and Marner. They're 7 minutes from being shut out.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 11, 2021, 12:52:38 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 11, 2021, 12:25:31 AM
We were assured by the Sportsnet experts that McDavid and Draisaitl were going to explode tonight in response to the big game by Matthews and Marner. They're 7 minutes from being shut out.
And they were lol.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 11, 2021, 12:58:56 AM
It's crazy that Washington is leading their division with a 26-11-4 record while sporting a goal differential of just +13.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on April 11, 2021, 08:32:34 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 11, 2021, 12:25:31 AM
We were assured by the Sportsnet experts that McDavid and Draisaitl were going to explode tonight in response to the big game by Matthews and Marner. They're 7 minutes from being shut out.

Always trying to create a story when there's really nothing there. At all.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on April 11, 2021, 10:47:51 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 11, 2021, 12:25:31 AM
We were assured by the Sportsnet experts that McDavid and Draisaitl were going to explode tonight in response to the big game by Matthews and Marner. They're 7 minutes from being shut out.
I thought that was funny too. Sportsnet trying to promote their late game between 2 bad teams so more people would watch.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 11, 2021, 11:26:26 AM
https://twitter.com/StuCowan1/status/1381257066870886402
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on April 11, 2021, 01:01:57 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1381276332638801921?s=19

What's the deal here?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 11, 2021, 01:40:51 PM
Quote from: Bender on April 11, 2021, 01:01:57 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1381276332638801921?s=19

What's the deal here?
He's not clearing so I guess Mon is giving up on him.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on April 11, 2021, 01:48:18 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on April 11, 2021, 01:40:51 PM
Quote from: Bender on April 11, 2021, 01:01:57 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1381276332638801921?s=19

What's the deal here?
He's not clearing so I guess Mon is giving up on him.
Right but why are they doing that? Doesn't seem to make much sense. Are they at a roster/cap limit that forced this move?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 11, 2021, 01:55:13 PM
Quote from: Bender on April 11, 2021, 01:48:18 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on April 11, 2021, 01:40:51 PM
Quote from: Bender on April 11, 2021, 01:01:57 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1381276332638801921?s=19

What's the deal here?
He's not clearing so I guess Mon is giving up on him.
Right but why are they doing that? Doesn't seem to make much sense. Are they at a roster/cap limit that forced this move?
They just traded to get Merrill from Detroit for Hayden Verbeek and a 5th
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on April 11, 2021, 02:08:24 PM
Mete only makes 735k surely the Leafs can make a claim (and probably not get him) but would be a nice piece of insurance on D just in case.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 11, 2021, 02:13:24 PM
Quote from: Zee on April 11, 2021, 02:08:24 PM
Mete only makes 735k surely the Leafs can make a claim (and probably not get him) but would be a nice piece of insurance on D just in case.
He won't make it to us.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 11, 2021, 02:41:02 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on April 11, 2021, 02:13:24 PM
Quote from: Zee on April 11, 2021, 02:08:24 PM
Mete only makes 735k surely the Leafs can make a claim (and probably not get him) but would be a nice piece of insurance on D just in case.
He won't make it to us.

I'm not sure. He hasn't played well this year, and he's been a healthy scratch on a regular basis. He could easily go unclaimed. The Leafs are literally last in claim priority right now, though, so, if he does get claimed, it's probably going to be someone else. It's more likely he clears and then some team trades for him do they can stash him on the taxi squad.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on April 11, 2021, 11:43:33 PM
https://twitter.com/Capitals/status/1381425568894308357?s=19

Maybe the Bruins aren't that good? Do they have a ton of injuries? I don't recognize most of their D or Goalies.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 11, 2021, 11:46:29 PM
Quote from: Bender on April 11, 2021, 11:43:33 PM
Maybe the Bruins aren't that good? Do they have a ton of injuries? I don't recognize most of their D or Goalies.

Their top-3 defencemen and top-2 goalies are out right now.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 11, 2021, 11:48:16 PM
Quote from: Bender on April 11, 2021, 11:43:33 PM
https://twitter.com/Capitals/status/1381425568894308357?s=19

Maybe the Bruins aren't that good? Do they have a ton of injuries? I don't recognize most of their D or Goalies.
Yup lots of injuries. If the Flyers had good goaltending, they'd have passed them already.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 12, 2021, 12:03:23 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1381638647032713218

https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1381638810962919432
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 12, 2021, 01:52:41 PM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1381664977552093188
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 12, 2021, 02:11:28 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1381670431871098889
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 12, 2021, 02:18:37 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1381672785148321799

Freidman really should have taken an extra second to throw a dollar sign in front of those.

LeBrun says 5 years at $3mil. That's a pretty solid contract.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on April 12, 2021, 02:42:38 PM
Some of the names are drying up now.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 12, 2021, 06:38:41 PM
Quote from: Bender on April 12, 2021, 02:42:38 PM
Some of the names are drying up now.
https://twitter.com/KKurzNHL/status/1381722530143105025

So shocked that no contenders went after Marleau.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 13, 2021, 02:14:56 PM
https://twitter.com/DNBsports/status/1382031490196807682
Yes, exactly  ;D
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 13, 2021, 03:04:08 PM
Quote from: herman on April 13, 2021, 02:14:56 PM
https://twitter.com/DNBsports/status/1382031490196807682
Yes, exactly  ;D
lol...yeah that's it.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Highlander on April 13, 2021, 05:30:17 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on April 13, 2021, 03:04:08 PM
Quote from: herman on April 13, 2021, 02:14:56 PM
https://twitter.com/DNBsports/status/1382031490196807682
Yes, exactly  ;D
lol...yeah that's it.
Oil prices are down aren't they?  They should start looking for a new name soon, with the Carbon Tax coming and the move away from fossil fuels.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 13, 2021, 10:23:47 PM
I know every team has a compressed schedule and all that but I just looked at what Vancouver has for the rest of the year when they return next week and man it's nuts.

3 games in 4 days
day off
3 games in 4 days
day off
3 games in 4 days
day off
3 games in 4 days
2 games in 5 days... big break here
3 games in 4 days
day off
back to back
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on April 14, 2021, 12:07:34 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 13, 2021, 10:23:47 PM
I know every team has a compressed schedule and all that but I just looked at what Vancouver has for the rest of the year when they return next week and man it's nuts.

3 games in 4 days
day off
3 games in 4 days
day off
3 games in 4 days
day off
3 games in 4 days
2 games in 5 days... big break here
3 games in 4 days
day off
back to back

And this is after dealing with covid.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 14, 2021, 07:31:25 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 13, 2021, 10:23:47 PM
I know every team has a compressed schedule and all that but I just looked at what Vancouver has for the rest of the year when they return next week and man it's nuts.

3 games in 4 days
day off
3 games in 4 days
day off
3 games in 4 days
day off
3 games in 4 days
2 games in 5 days... big break here
3 games in 4 days
day off
back to back
I'm just going to go ahead and pencil in Matthews for hat tricks in the 4 Vancouver games.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on April 14, 2021, 08:23:21 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 13, 2021, 10:23:47 PM
I know every team has a compressed schedule and all that but I just looked at what Vancouver has for the rest of the year when they return next week and man it's nuts.

3 games in 4 days
day off
3 games in 4 days
day off
3 games in 4 days
day off
3 games in 4 days
2 games in 5 days... big break here
3 games in 4 days
day off
back to back
What's the point of this? It seems cruel at this point.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on April 14, 2021, 11:47:59 AM
Quote from: Bender on April 14, 2021, 08:23:21 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 13, 2021, 10:23:47 PM
I know every team has a compressed schedule and all that but I just looked at what Vancouver has for the rest of the year when they return next week and man it's nuts.

3 games in 4 days
day off
3 games in 4 days
day off
3 games in 4 days
day off
3 games in 4 days
2 games in 5 days... big break here
3 games in 4 days
day off
back to back
What's the point of this? It seems cruel at this point.

They can't even use their AHL team to bolster their roster.  Utica is in the US so their players would all have to quarantine for at least a week before they could play.  They may not even have enough players to dress a full roster.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 14, 2021, 05:46:18 PM
https://twitter.com/ThomasDrance/status/1382447650646024192?s=19
https://twitter.com/ThomasDrance/status/1382448101676310530?s=19
https://twitter.com/ThomasDrance/status/1382448369398796290?s=19
https://twitter.com/ThomasDrance/status/1382448581336985604?s=19
https://twitter.com/ThomasDrance/status/1382448822127714304?s=19
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 14, 2021, 05:47:25 PM
https://twitter.com/ThomasDrance/status/1382448914800943104?s=19
https://twitter.com/ThomasDrance/status/1382449275620134915?s=19
https://twitter.com/ThomasDrance/status/1382449370096816128?s=19
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 14, 2021, 06:06:48 PM
It's not a good scenario. Grubauer from Colorado tested positive. Robertson is on the list. The Marlies are shutdown. This could get bad really fast and as much as it would ruin a chance at the cup, I'm more concerned about the players and their families. It's only hockey right?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 14, 2021, 06:14:29 PM
They're set to play a back-to-back in 2 days. This is insane.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 14, 2021, 06:39:11 PM
I hope no one dies because of this. I also wouldn't mind if the opposing teams just withheld participation from this farce.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 14, 2021, 07:55:40 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 14, 2021, 06:14:29 PM
They're set to play a back-to-back in 2 days. This is insane.
Matthews gonna break Sittler's record on Saturday against Vancouver.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 14, 2021, 10:28:40 PM


Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 14, 2021, 07:55:40 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 14, 2021, 06:14:29 PM
They're set to play a back-to-back in 2 days. This is insane.
Matthews gonna break Sittler's record on Saturday against Vancouver.

Nevermind, McDavid is going to break it on Friday against Vancouver first.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 14, 2021, 10:36:29 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 14, 2021, 10:28:40 PM


Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 14, 2021, 07:55:40 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 14, 2021, 06:14:29 PM
They're set to play a back-to-back in 2 days. This is insane.
Matthews gonna break Sittler's record on Saturday against Vancouver.

Nevermind, McDavid is going to break it on Friday against Vancouver first.
If they play. I don't even think they have a full team yet and they may not
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on April 15, 2021, 09:32:15 AM
Vancouver met with the NHLPA last night.  I think they are going to protest playing this weekend.

They still have 7 players on the COVID List:
Jalen Chatfield; Alex Edler; Jayce Hawryluk; Nils Hoglander; Zack MacEwen; Nate Schmidt; Jake Virtanen

That would maybe give them a full roster and potentially a few more guys coming off COVID protocol before tomorrow but not getting into practice. 

I just can't see how the NHLPA is ok with this. I also don't know what the solution is at this point.  You could maybe batch the Ottawa games at the end of the schedule to move things around but hypothetically Vancouver still has a shot at the playoffs and if they went on a miracle run you would still be delaying the playoffs by quite a bit if those games still had playoff implications.

Selfishly I kind of want to see Matthews just put up a stupid number of goals playing an exhausted and out of shape Canucks team on Saturday but they have no business playing.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 15, 2021, 12:20:42 PM
I get that it's difficult because Vancouver is still technically in the playoff race and the league really wants/needs them to complete all their games from a broadcast revenue perspective, but there has to be a better way to handle this. If nothing else, push the games this Friday and Saturday into the slots where they play Ottawa, and move those two Ottawa games to the end of the season. If Vancouver is still in the playoff race by then, they've earned the opportunity. If not, and the 4 playoff teams are set early enough, you have the playoffs going as Vancouver and Ottawa play out the string. That way, at least you can hopefully avoid the North division playoffs starting a week later than everyone else. There'd still be a few days they'd have to delay things, but you can do that across the league, or deal with it as series get wrapped up.

It's not perfect, but it's better than what they're currently doing.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on April 15, 2021, 12:43:00 PM
Has anyone come out and said how this outbreak got started? Put asid the canucks players that may still be recovering, wouldn't the opposing players have reservations skating around and smashing into each other and sharing the same air? It just takes one of them to spread it to another team.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on April 15, 2021, 12:53:11 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on April 15, 2021, 12:43:00 PM
Has anyone come out and said how this outbreak got started? Put asid the canucks players that may still be recovering, wouldn't the opposing players have reservations skating around and smashing into each other and sharing the same air? It just takes one of them to spread it to another team.

I have to think that there's a mechanism with the PA for a grievance...or even from the Leafs ownership/management who don't want anything to screw around with their hopeful deep run.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on April 15, 2021, 01:05:31 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on April 15, 2021, 12:43:00 PM
Has anyone come out and said how this outbreak got started? Put asid the canucks players that may still be recovering, wouldn't the opposing players have reservations skating around and smashing into each other and sharing the same air? It just takes one of them to spread it to another team.

I don't think anything was ever confirmed (nor will it) but there were rumbling of Gaudette being "Patient zero".
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 15, 2021, 01:36:45 PM
Quote from: L K on April 15, 2021, 01:05:31 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on April 15, 2021, 12:43:00 PM
Has anyone come out and said how this outbreak got started? Put asid the canucks players that may still be recovering, wouldn't the opposing players have reservations skating around and smashing into each other and sharing the same air? It just takes one of them to spread it to another team.

I don't think anything was ever confirmed (nor will it) but there were rumbling of Gaudette being "Patient zero".

Chicago must be thrilled.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 15, 2021, 03:08:21 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1382772560413229056
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Peter D. on April 15, 2021, 04:52:41 PM
A friend in B.C. suggested that the game on Saturday will be bumped to Sunday.

If that is the case -- or even if the game goes on Saturday -- my initial thought was that those meetings with the P.A. and Miller sounding off was for the Canucks to buy just two extra days?  Odd.  I'd have expected them wanting another 7 to 10 days to catch back up to speed. 
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 15, 2021, 05:43:20 PM
https://twitter.com/pierrevlebrun/status/1382804680963731460
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on April 15, 2021, 06:07:49 PM
I'm shocked.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on April 15, 2021, 10:12:19 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on April 15, 2021, 05:43:20 PM
https://twitter.com/pierrevlebrun/status/1382804680963731460
Makes sense. It'd be cruel to force them to play when unready.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 15, 2021, 10:27:28 PM
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1382881786787729411
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 15, 2021, 11:15:31 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 15, 2021, 10:27:28 PM
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1382881786787729411

I doubt that. No way you want to shutdown for 24 days. It takes a long time to get your game timing back.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 15, 2021, 11:38:19 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 15, 2021, 10:27:28 PM
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1382881786787729411

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/dbd70598df848a756f3db352d666afb6/tenor.gif?itemid=4610789)
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 16, 2021, 03:24:59 PM
https://twitter.com/Canucks/status/1383135897625915392

They've went from 19 games in 31 days to 19 games in 32 days.

Like it's good they're giving them a little bit more time to get started and I realize you can't play a full season without jamming games in there... but this could still end up being a complete trainwreck.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on April 16, 2021, 03:35:35 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 16, 2021, 03:24:59 PM
https://twitter.com/Canucks/status/1383135897625915392

They've went from 19 games in 31 days to 19 games in 32 days.

Like it's good they're giving them a little bit more time to get started and I realize you can't play a full season without jamming games in there... but this could still end up being a complete trainwreck.

The extra day off is actually better for Matthews, hopefully he rips home 7 goals on Sunday.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 16, 2021, 03:37:06 PM
Quote from: Zee on April 16, 2021, 03:35:35 PM
The extra day off is actually better for Matthews, hopefully he rips home 7 goals on Sunday.

It certainly benefits the Leafs a little, yeah. Also gives Foligno an extra day to skate/stretch his body out after the quarantine.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on April 16, 2021, 05:03:21 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 16, 2021, 03:37:06 PM
Quote from: Zee on April 16, 2021, 03:35:35 PM
The extra day off is actually better for Matthews, hopefully he rips home 7 goals on Sunday.

It certainly benefits the Leafs a little, yeah. Also gives Foligno an extra day to skate/stretch his body out after the quarantine.

Foligno could now hypothetically play in all three games remaining against Winnipeg with an actual day of getting in the ice before he starts.  Interesting
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Peter D. on April 16, 2021, 05:05:24 PM
So everyone got worked up so the Canucks could get a whopping two extra days out of it?  Yeah, okay then.  ::)
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on April 17, 2021, 12:15:00 AM
Quote from: Peter D. on April 16, 2021, 05:05:24 PM
So everyone got worked up so the Canucks could get a whopping two extra days out of it?  Yeah, okay then.  ::)
They're so far out of it. Does the integrity of the game really rest on any of their games? Honestly probably not at this point when they're going to be objectively worse post-covid just from a physiology standpoint.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on April 17, 2021, 08:27:17 AM
Quote from: Bender on April 17, 2021, 12:15:00 AM
Quote from: Peter D. on April 16, 2021, 05:05:24 PM
So everyone got worked up so the Canucks could get a whopping two extra days out of it?  Yeah, okay then.  ::)
They're so far out of it. Does the integrity of the game really rest on any of their games? Honestly probably not at this point when they're going to be objectively worse post-covid just from a physiology standpoint.

15 of their 19 games left are against the Leafs/Jets/Oilers/Flames.  While the Canucks are likely out of things all of their games have implications.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 17, 2021, 02:04:25 PM
https://twitter.com/jbecher/status/1383473022359638023

Damn, that's crazy.

It's also crazy that he already looked like he was in his 30s when drafted.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on April 17, 2021, 06:59:35 PM
I mean it's great and all that Marleau is setting the games played record but he's really had no business playing in the league the last 2 seasons
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on April 17, 2021, 07:32:00 PM
Quote from: L K on April 17, 2021, 08:27:17 AM
Quote from: Bender on April 17, 2021, 12:15:00 AM
Quote from: Peter D. on April 16, 2021, 05:05:24 PM
So everyone got worked up so the Canucks could get a whopping two extra days out of it?  Yeah, okay then.  ::)
They're so far out of it. Does the integrity of the game really rest on any of their games? Honestly probably not at this point when they're going to be objectively worse post-covid just from a physiology standpoint.

15 of their 19 games left are against the Leafs/Jets/Oilers/Flames.  While the Canucks are likely out of things all of their games have implications.
I get that but what's the difference really if you just don't play those games? Obviously there's a certain level of points divied up there but if they aren't in any condition to play then what does it matter?
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on April 17, 2021, 08:44:14 PM
Quote from: Zee on April 17, 2021, 06:59:35 PM
I mean it's great and all that Marleau is setting the games played record but he's really had no business playing in the league the last 2 seasons

Also if this was Jack Campbell and not Patrick Marleau, Jack Campbell would retire before the next game so as not to knock Gordie Howe out of the record book.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on April 18, 2021, 08:35:11 AM
Quote from: Zee on April 17, 2021, 06:59:35 PM
I mean it's great and all that Marleau is setting the games played record but he's really had no business playing in the league the last 2 seasons

I suppose the same can be said about Joe Thornton as well.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on April 18, 2021, 10:01:15 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on April 18, 2021, 08:35:11 AM
Quote from: Zee on April 17, 2021, 06:59:35 PM
I mean it's great and all that Marleau is setting the games played record but he's really had no business playing in the league the last 2 seasons

I suppose the same can be said about Joe Thornton as well.
People are already complaining about Thorton's play lately and he's still outperforming Marleau. I remember watching a Pens playoff game and at the end of the game I realized Marleau was on the Pens cause I saw him. Didn't hear his name or see him actually touch the puck the entire game. I'm pretty sure alot of Marleau's games are like that now.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 18, 2021, 10:20:33 AM
https://twitter.com/markjburns88/status/1383523487537500163
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 19, 2021, 12:28:08 PM
https://twitter.com/hockey_samurai/status/1383822380171096064
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 19, 2021, 07:48:52 PM
https://twitter.com/simmonssteve/status/1384225533949464594

Simmons is worse at Twitter than one could think humanly possible.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 19, 2021, 08:39:04 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 19, 2021, 07:48:52 PM
https://twitter.com/simmonssteve/status/1384225533949464594

Simmons is worse at Twitter than one could think humanly possible.
Such a hack.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on April 19, 2021, 08:52:52 PM

It certainly is a good counterpoint to all of the "Patrick Marleau is better than Gretzky" arguments people always make.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 19, 2021, 10:59:57 PM
https://twitter.com/SanJoseSharks/status/1384336683689070595
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Peter D. on April 20, 2021, 01:45:57 AM
It's sad that Marleau's accomplishment is being diminished by many for both passing whom he passed and suggesting he had no business holding on in the league just to achieve the record.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on April 20, 2021, 08:01:34 AM
Quote from: Nik on April 19, 2021, 08:52:52 PM

It certainly is a good counterpoint to all of the "Patrick Marleau is better than Gretzky" arguments people always make.

Yeah, I'm not sure what he's really getting at there.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on April 20, 2021, 08:05:18 AM
Quote from: Peter D. on April 20, 2021, 01:45:57 AM
It's sad that Marleau's accomplishment is being diminished by many for both passing whom he passed and suggesting he had no business holding on in the league just to achieve the record.

I agree 100%. He's nowhere near what he previously was but that doesn't mean he doesn't have a spot on teams. No, he doesn't belong on the Leafs at $6 million. But he did pot 10 goals last year in 64 games. That's just under 15 goals in an 82 game season.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 20, 2021, 08:31:51 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on April 20, 2021, 08:05:18 AM
I agree 100%. He's nowhere near what he previously was but that doesn't mean he doesn't have a spot on teams. No, he doesn't belong on the Leafs at $6 million. But he did pot 10 goals last year in 64 games. That's just under 15 goals in an 82 game season.

He also produced at a reasonable rate for a player on a league minimum contract last season. This season, not so much, but signing him was still a reasonable value bet for San Jose.

Also, it's not all on him for sticking around. San Jose and the rest of the league could have easily not signed him.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 20, 2021, 08:51:49 AM
Also, if it wasn't for a pair of lockouts, he would have broken the record in his last year as a Leaf - when he was still producing near a top 6 rate and just starting to really show signs of a significant decline..
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 20, 2021, 09:07:16 AM
He might have had to play longer than he should have to chase this record, but if Ovi needed to play until he's 45 years old when all he can do is camp out on his PP spot to break Gretzky's goal scoring record I'd still see it as a pretty groundbreaking achievement.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 20, 2021, 09:15:20 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 20, 2021, 09:07:16 AM
He might have had to play longer than he should have to chase this record, but if Ovi needed to play until he's 45 years old when all he can do is camp out on his PP spot to break Gretzky's goal scoring record I'd still see it as a pretty groundbreaking achievement.

Also, Howe played his final 80 NHL games when he was in his 50s. Let's not pretend like he didn't stick around past his best before date. Had he not had that comeback, both Francis and Messier would have broken his record in 2004.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Peter D. on April 20, 2021, 09:32:52 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on April 20, 2021, 08:31:51 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on April 20, 2021, 08:05:18 AM
I agree 100%. He's nowhere near what he previously was but that doesn't mean he doesn't have a spot on teams. No, he doesn't belong on the Leafs at $6 million. But he did pot 10 goals last year in 64 games. That's just under 15 goals in an 82 game season.

He also produced at a reasonable rate for a player on a league minimum contract last season. This season, not so much, but signing him was still a reasonable value bet for San Jose.

Also, it's not all on him for sticking around. San Jose and the rest of the league could have easily not signed him.

I agree with all this.

And it's not just that.  It's a testament to his durability.  The game tomorrow will be his 900th consecutive game, which in and of itself is an incredible feat, let alone for someone his age.  He's missed no more than 6 games in a season.  He is averaging over 13 minutes a game as a 41 year old; he was averaging over 15 minutes in the previous thee seasons.  Sure, his production isn't there anymore, but that's no longer what's expected of him, and it's sure not like he is not being used -- they're not just throwing him out there for two shifts to bank another game to the record.

Further to all that, he's avoided injury.  He could have tweaked his groin, caught a rut twisting his knee, taken a hit that left him woozie, etc. *knock on wood*

Sure, seeing Marleau alongside Howe may seem weird.  But let's applaud a guy who's forged a very good career for being able to stamp his name forever beside one of the greatest of all-time than crap on him and go as far as suggesting he should have stopped a game short as to not break the record.

He continues to love the game -- as evidenced by his interview after last night's game -- and he's obviously well respected by his teammates and opponents around the league.  May he continue playing as long as his body lets him and there is a spot on a team to utilize him.

Congrats Patrick.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on April 20, 2021, 10:23:27 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on April 20, 2021, 09:15:20 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 20, 2021, 09:07:16 AM
He might have had to play longer than he should have to chase this record, but if Ovi needed to play until he's 45 years old when all he can do is camp out on his PP spot to break Gretzky's goal scoring record I'd still see it as a pretty groundbreaking achievement.

Also, Howe played his final 80 NHL games when he was in his 50s. Let's not pretend like he didn't stick around past his best before date. Had he not had that comeback, both Francis and Messier would have broken his record in 2004.

Howe played the bulk of his career when the NHL had 70 or fewer games in a season, only 60 for his first 4 years. If they were all 82 game seasons, no one would be close.

And before those final 80 games, Howe also had 2 full years off before 6 WHA seasons (419 games).
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on April 20, 2021, 11:31:43 AM
Quote from: Deebo on April 20, 2021, 10:23:27 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on April 20, 2021, 09:15:20 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 20, 2021, 09:07:16 AM
He might have had to play longer than he should have to chase this record, but if Ovi needed to play until he's 45 years old when all he can do is camp out on his PP spot to break Gretzky's goal scoring record I'd still see it as a pretty groundbreaking achievement.

Also, Howe played his final 80 NHL games when he was in his 50s. Let's not pretend like he didn't stick around past his best before date. Had he not had that comeback, both Francis and Messier would have broken his record in 2004.

Howe played the bulk of his career when the NHL had 70 or fewer games in a season, only 60 for his first 4 years. If they were all 82 game seasons, no one would be close.

And before those final 80 games, Howe also had 2 full years off before 6 WHA seasons (419 games).

That's an assumption that he would have lasted as many years playing 82 game seasons.
Title: Re: 2020-2021 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on April 20, 2021, 11:48:59 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on April 20, 2021, 09:15:20 AM