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General NHL News & Views / Re: 2022-23 NHL Thread
February 03, 2023, 10:31:41 AM
Quote from: louisstamos on February 03, 2023, 10:09:55 AMFor me - if the NHL is adamant on a hard cap system, there is close to $80 million in unused cap around the league.  Have teams be able to trade their unused cap space.

It works threefold - the players like it because that means extra money spent on salaries that is not being used at the moment.  Cap ceiling teams can acquire cap in order to make trades/improve their team.  Cap floor teams can get assets back for cap space they probably aren't going to use anyway (or cash, but I doubt the NHL would ever allow that).

Using up all that cap space would just mean larger portions of player pay cheques go to escrow. The cap system is set up with the understanding that a number of teams won't hit the ceiling. Total player salaries are still capped at 50% of HRR, regardless of how much cap space is used - and, if all the cap space available was used, it would significantly exceed the 50% ceiling on total player salaries.

It would help the teams in terms of making deals and acquiring assets, but it wouldn't be beneficial to the players' bank accounts.
NHL Transactions / Re: Horvat to NYI
January 31, 2023, 05:01:19 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 31, 2023, 02:33:52 PMHonestly I do feel like that's kind of how deals generally go down. I think the idea that GM's go back and forth with multiple teams "shopping" deals and saying stuff like "this is what Team A is offering can you beat that" doesn't really happen.

For smaller deals, absolutely, but for larger deals where they're negotiating with multiple teams (which, from the sounds of things, they were), I have to believe teams typically give the other suitors an opportunity to up their offer if they're close in value to the one they like. Unless the Nucks were really targeting Raty, I don't see any reason they wouldn't have gone to the other teams to say "we're close with another team, this is what they're offering (without naming names). What's your best offer?" If they're in serious negotiations with teams, they should have already done their scouting work. It's not like they'd be starting from scratch.
NHL Transactions / Re: Horvat to NYI
January 31, 2023, 11:29:24 AM
Quote from: Nik on January 31, 2023, 01:06:12 AMI suppose to some extent the calculation then becomes: what's the benefit in holding on to see if you possibly get a better return a few weeks from now vs. doing everything you can to maximize your chances in the Bedard sweepstakes.

I guess that's fair - though, I also wonder how much Horvat changes things there now that his shooting percentage has started to regress a little and with the teams ahead of them in the Tankathon being so awful. Waiting probably doesn't change much in regards to the return or their lottery odds, but it would have improved the optics.
NHL Transactions / Re: Horvat to NYI
January 30, 2023, 09:30:26 PM
Quote from: Nik on January 30, 2023, 08:39:57 PMThe thing is, it doesn't strike me as a bad return for a rental player, even a 27 year old one but it seems like the Canucks could have done a lot better by opening Horvat up to extension talks and making that part of the trade.

Timing plays into it for me. If this deal happened late on deadline day, then at least you could feel as though they explored every possible avenue and found this was the best deal they could get. But, thus far away from the deadline? Feels like they jumped the gun. They didn't have to make this deal for a few weeks, and even if the Islanders weren't willing to wait, I have to imagine another team would have happily put forth a similar offer in deadline day.
NHL Transactions / Re: Horvat to NYI
January 30, 2023, 07:45:02 PM

And that's still all the Nucks could get? Yikes.
NHL Transactions / Horvat to NYI
January 30, 2023, 05:49:03 PM

This feels both like an underpayment and a bad move for the Islanders.
Quote from: Guilt Trip on January 28, 2023, 12:21:44 PM
Quote from: Highlander on January 28, 2023, 11:21:20 AMWhy don't we bring up Gaudette, he is a scoring machine with the Marlies. We need more secondary goals.
Also Woll just stoned Manitoba  30 saves in 31 game. He is playing lights out.  Give him a start and let Murray get better........again.
Both Joey Anderson and McMann are producing a little bit better and both a better defensively. I wouldn't mind seeing him get a shot but if he was called up, would he have to clear waivers to go back down?

Gaudette is also a much known entity at the NHL level. He's played over 200 games.

As for waivers, as long he doesn't play in 10 games or on the roster for 30 days, he won't have to clear again.
Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: What Now?
January 25, 2023, 03:09:44 PM
Quote from: Nik on January 25, 2023, 02:38:40 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on January 25, 2023, 11:29:26 AMAnd, even then, it seems to fade away pretty quickly. Players are ultimately motivated by 3 things when it comes to new contracts - money, a chance to win, and being able to play close to their family. Everything else falls much lower down on the ladder.

Sure but you don't always want to be in a position where in order to sign someone you're offering them the most money possible or the best possible chance to win.

That's fair. I just don't think the whole trying to get a player to waive a no trade/no move clause or moving them shortly before an extension kicks has much of an impact there, outside of some fairly extreme scenarios I don't know if we've ever seen play out - and we've seen teams do some crappy stuff to players.
Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: What Now?
January 25, 2023, 11:29:26 AM
Quote from: Nik on January 24, 2023, 08:10:04 PMYeah, between front office turnover and just the reality that most guys are going to make personal decisions come free agent time(especially $ based) it seems unlikely to be a real factor in attracting guys to the team in any meaningful lasting sense. A much more realistic concern would be about what it might do to the dynamic with the guys you've already got if you're not great to a buddy of theirs.

And, even then, it seems to fade away pretty quickly. Players are ultimately motivated by 3 things when it comes to new contracts - money, a chance to win, and being able to play close to their family. Everything else falls much lower down on the ladder.
Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: What Now?
January 24, 2023, 06:04:40 PM
Also, there's dozens and dozens of incidents of players being asked about waiving clauses with little to no blowback on the teams. The Flyers haven't had much issue signing anyone even after the trades Carter and Richards shortly before extensions kicked in. It's a business. Players understand that. Might burn bridges with the specific guys being shipped out, but the idea that it has a larger impact on the team being able to add talent via free agency has been largely debunked.

That being said, the team should have little to no interest in trading Rielly.
Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: What Now?
January 24, 2023, 12:27:42 PM
Quote from: Highlander on January 24, 2023, 10:41:17 AMMan, I want some of what your smoking. Outside of being daft, Rielly has a NMC, he can't be traded, why don't people seem to get that?

Because it doesn't mean he can't be traded. It just means he has final say over if he wants to be traded - and typically, they're not an impediment to making a trade.
Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: What Now?
January 23, 2023, 11:32:31 AM
Quote from: L K on January 23, 2023, 11:19:12 AMHow much value is Robertson going to provide at the deadline when prices escalate?  I still really like him as a prospect but I really can't see an injured player boosting a trade all that much.

Selling teams are generally less concerned about how the pieces they acquire will help out this season, so, Robertson's injury isn't as much as a factor as it would be for a straight hockey deal with another playoff team. I'm not saying he'll provide huge value, but he has more value than the basically zero that Timmins had when Arizona gave him to the Leafs.
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 23, 2023, 10:06:03 AMDemko coming back and going on a heater would likely be the only chance of that.

I'm not sure about that. There's only 9 teams below .500 in the league (and one of those is just barely below at .490). A softer schedule and a marginal commitment to better defensive coverage should be enough to get there. Even if all Demko/Martin/Delia do is put up ~.900 goaltending the rest of the way, that should do it.