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#1
Quote from: herman on June 13, 2024, 12:48:50 PMAgain, the content of what's being said through the media is all just posturing for bargaining position on both sides. However, how its being said points towards a divorce happening one way or another.
I think so as well...

I am willing to see what's on the other side good or bad.
#2
Quote from: Rob on June 12, 2024, 02:52:45 PM
Quote from: cabber24 on June 12, 2024, 02:46:13 PM
Quote from: Joe on June 12, 2024, 01:45:59 PM
Quote from: cabber24 on June 12, 2024, 12:59:07 PM
Quote from: Joe on June 12, 2024, 12:36:34 PM
Quote from: cabber24 on June 12, 2024, 12:24:37 PM
Quote from: Peter D. on June 12, 2024, 11:54:18 AM
Quote from: Rob on June 10, 2024, 06:30:46 AM$12.5 x 8 and be done with it. 

This is where I've been at for a long time now.  This can be the easiest negotiation by offering him $100 million over eight years and just be done with it.
The third-highest cap hit in the league is what you're proposing, MACKINNON money.

If Mackinon were being signed this year he's be getting more. I know you know that matters for context.
Signed in September 2022. I think what the cap projections were at the time has come to fruition so I do believe it's a relevant comparison. Yes, the cap increase this coming season is a little higher than projected but close to the projected raise.

I disagree. This is exactly why Matthews chose a shorter contract, so he could maximize value upon renewal. If mackinnon were being signed this season he'd be looking for Matthews money, if not more.

 
Here is cap forecast from Sep 2022, they were correct.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolschram/2022/09/27/report--nhl-salary-cap-projected-to-make-4-million-jump-for-2024-25-season/

I do not understand why the Leafs continue to pay their stars so high. Is McKinnion an idiot or do the Leafs overpay? I think the Leafs overpay.

Do you think some team would have given Matthews more than $13.25m?  I think some other team would have.
Honestly, I don't know why Matthews got the top cap hit on just a 4-year deal. If you're going to pay someone more than anyone else a reasonable term length would be assumed.

Agents to Leafs: "I want more than all my peers". Leafs GM's: "okay".
#3
Quote from: Joe on June 12, 2024, 01:45:59 PM
Quote from: cabber24 on June 12, 2024, 12:59:07 PM
Quote from: Joe on June 12, 2024, 12:36:34 PM
Quote from: cabber24 on June 12, 2024, 12:24:37 PM
Quote from: Peter D. on June 12, 2024, 11:54:18 AM
Quote from: Rob on June 10, 2024, 06:30:46 AM$12.5 x 8 and be done with it. 

This is where I've been at for a long time now.  This can be the easiest negotiation by offering him $100 million over eight years and just be done with it.
The third-highest cap hit in the league is what you're proposing, MACKINNON money.

If Mackinon were being signed this year he's be getting more. I know you know that matters for context.
Signed in September 2022. I think what the cap projections were at the time has come to fruition so I do believe it's a relevant comparison. Yes, the cap increase this coming season is a little higher than projected but close to the projected raise.

I disagree. This is exactly why Matthews chose a shorter contract, so he could maximize value upon renewal. If mackinnon were being signed this season he'd be looking for Matthews money, if not more.

 
Here is cap forecast from Sep 2022, they were correct.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolschram/2022/09/27/report--nhl-salary-cap-projected-to-make-4-million-jump-for-2024-25-season/

I do not understand why the Leafs continue to pay their stars so high. Is McKinnion an idiot or do the Leafs overpay? I think the Leafs overpay.
#4
Quote from: herman on June 12, 2024, 12:54:09 PMMarner would not take 12.5M x 8.

Marner will open his asking price at 15M and probably let it come down to ~14M+ x 8 years because Matthews got a bit over 15% of the 88M cap, and it's likely a 93M cap when Marner's next contract kicks in.

Is anyone here good with that?
Your post seems comical but probably not far off reality.

NO, I am not good with that.
#5
Quote from: Joe on June 12, 2024, 12:36:34 PM
Quote from: cabber24 on June 12, 2024, 12:24:37 PM
Quote from: Peter D. on June 12, 2024, 11:54:18 AM
Quote from: Rob on June 10, 2024, 06:30:46 AM$12.5 x 8 and be done with it. 

This is where I've been at for a long time now.  This can be the easiest negotiation by offering him $100 million over eight years and just be done with it.
The third-highest cap hit in the league is what you're proposing, MACKINNON money.

If Mackinon were being signed this year he's be getting more. I know you know that matters for context.
Signed in September 2022. I think what the cap projections were at the time has come to fruition so I do believe it's a relevant comparison. Yes, the cap increase this coming season is a little higher than projected but close to the projected raise.
#6
Quote from: Peter D. on June 12, 2024, 11:54:18 AM
Quote from: Rob on June 10, 2024, 06:30:46 AM$12.5 x 8 and be done with it. 

This is where I've been at for a long time now.  This can be the easiest negotiation by offering him $100 million over eight years and just be done with it.
The third-highest cap hit in the league is what you're proposing, MACKINNON money.
#7
Toronto Blue Jays / Re: 2024 Blue Jays
June 12, 2024, 10:15:21 AM
Quote from: Frank E on June 12, 2024, 08:32:03 AMhttps://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/article/blue-jays-trading-cavan-biggio-to-dodgers/
Although he didn't develop into a core player he was a decent utility guy and played everywhere. I am kind of surprised they traded him, can't every team use a Biggio as a fill-in when needed?
#8
If Marner was signed and Nylander was going into his last year I am confident everyone would be discussing trading Nylander right now. "He disappears for games at a time", "he doesn't care", "he is not good defensively"... this would be the dialogue. Cap/core reallocation is the discussion not specifically Marner.
#9
On the Fan590, The Jeff Marek Show, he and Friedman said some teams are probably panicking because like the Caps they did not have their own software tracking this info. They think the league should provide the info to the league but apparently, the league considers the info confidential.
#10
Quote from: Joe on June 06, 2024, 11:22:34 AMagent market in forever a
Quote from: Joe on June 06, 2024, 11:22:34 AM
Quote from: cabber24 on June 06, 2024, 11:18:53 AM
Quote from: Joe on June 06, 2024, 11:05:21 AMHaving lived through the Sundin era, and so have pretty much all of you, the willingness to throw away such a talented player is baffling to me.

Just imagine if Sundin had just one of Nylander, Marner or Matthews on his teams.

I'm 100% with cw on this one, supporting cast and goaltending are what need to be addressed.

It's absolutely pathetic that the leafs haven't drafted and developed a star goalie since Potvin. And the one they did they punted in what I call the worst trade in franchise history.

Anyway a few mini rants there.
How do you pay for the Goalie and D needed when you have 4 guys making 8-figures up front? It's not Marner, it's the ridiculous unbalance of spending on this team. You wouldn't trade him for a top D man and more cap towards a decent goalie?

It's doesn't matter how you pay for them because there hasn't been a high profile goalie to hit the free agent market in forever and they never drafted one where they could control the salary for a number of years. So there's no point to your point.
What's YOUR point? Pay the guy $13M and trade everything for cap retention for half solutions and rewatch for the 9th time?
#11
Quote from: Joe on June 06, 2024, 11:05:21 AMHaving lived through the Sundin era, and so have pretty much all of you, the willingness to throw away such a talented player is baffling to me.

Just imagine if Sundin had just one of Nylander, Marner or Matthews on his teams.

I'm 100% with cw on this one, supporting cast and goaltending are what need to be addressed.

It's absolutely pathetic that the leafs haven't drafted and developed a star goalie since Potvin. And the one they did they punted in what I call the worst trade in franchise history.

Anyway a few mini rants there.
How do you pay for the Goalie and D needed when you have 4 guys making 8-figures up front? It's not Marner, it's the ridiculous unbalance of spending on this team. You wouldn't trade him for a top D man and more cap towards a decent goalie?
#12
Toronto Blue Jays / Re: 2024 Blue Jays
June 05, 2024, 01:35:39 PM
Jays just posted to Facebook to vote them into the All-Star game!?!?! LOL.

Seriously, though it's a tough watch. I was perfectly content watching them when they were supposed to suck for decades but now I was told that they were supposed to be good and it's unbearable to watch a team at this salary stink this bad. There is no storyline to route for. The game has also changed for the worse. I enjoyed "small ball" and the manufacturing of runs and now it's the HR or nothing. I have never watched so little baseball in my life.
#14
Quote from: Bender on May 29, 2024, 10:19:17 AM
Quote from: cabber24 on May 29, 2024, 10:11:10 AM
Quote from: Bender on May 29, 2024, 08:28:12 AMWait... the CRA is arguing that they're called signing bonuses but they actually aren't signing bonuses?
It's salary paid up front, not a bonus. I don't get the argument. $77M over 7 years with a cap hit of $11M per year regardless of when he gets the money is still all taxable salary. If the NHL allowed bonuses outside the SALARY cap he would have a case.

So it basically is a misnomer. I think this a pretty open and shut case considering he would only get the bonuses pro-rata if he "breached the Contract, voluntarily retired, withheld his services (including a refusal to report, practice, or play), or left the Toronto Maple Leafs." I would imagine a true signing bonus would be cash you get in its entirety should you choose to sign, regardless of future consequences.
The advantage to the NHL athlete is the time value of the money getting it upfront.
#15
Quote from: Bender on May 29, 2024, 08:28:12 AMWait... the CRA is arguing that they're called signing bonuses but they actually aren't signing bonuses?
It's salary paid up front, not a bonus. I don't get the argument. $77M over 7 years with a cap hit of $11M per year regardless of when he gets the money is still all taxable salary. If the NHL allowed bonuses outside the SALARY cap he would have a case.