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Started by Highlander, February 24, 2022, 01:36:49 PM

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Highlander

Thought it may be a good idea to start a thread on what is going on in Europe. Definitely scary stuff and very concerning about further escalation.  I don't believe a conventional war is possible when the nuclear option is at everyone's fingertips. My wife is from the UK and is freaking out over this.  I know we can't control this but it may be good to have an outlet for us to discuss our concerns.
"In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's there are few"
                                           Sunryn Suzuki

princedpw

#1
Tragic. Unnecessary and unconscionable loss of life, destruction of property, impoverishment if people.

Dappleganger

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Quote from: Highlander on February 24, 2022, 01:36:49 PM
Thought it may be a good idea to start a thread on what is going on in Europe. Definitely scary stuff and very concerning about further escalation.  I don't believe a conventional war is possible when the nuclear option is at everyone's fingertips. My wife is from the UK and is freaking out over this.  I know we can't control this but it may be good to have an outlet for us to discuss our concerns.

Speaking of nukes, Ukraine is the only country to give up their nuclear arsenal.

Highlander

#3
They just seized the Chernobyl Nuclear Plant, so under Russian Army control.  Anyone have any idea what Putin wants with that?
"In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's there are few"
                                           Sunryn Suzuki

Nik

#4
So I know this may seem minor to some people but the country is Ukraine. Not "The" Ukraine. Referring to it as "the" Ukraine is something Russians do to de-emphasize its status as an independent nation rather than an area or region that belongs to Russia.

https://time.com/12597/the-ukraine-or-ukraine/
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Highlander

Thanks for the clarification Nik, no offence was intended. 
"In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's there are few"
                                           Sunryn Suzuki

Nik

Quote from: Highlander on February 24, 2022, 02:33:17 PM
Thanks for the clarification Nik, no offence was intended.

None taken. It's something I did myself in the past until I was educated by one of my best and oldest friends who's of Ukrainian heritage and still has family there.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Nik


Something worth noting is that for all the sanctions being announced they're not really going after Putin's wealth or that of his cronies. These are hundreds of billions of dollars, stolen from the Russian economy, that are used to buy real estate in Western countriees, luxuries and used as political contributions. This would be what would really put the squeeze on Putin but because it also threatens business interests in the west, they're opting instead for sanctions that will make life harder for Russian people.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

L K

Quote from: Nik on February 24, 2022, 03:18:05 PM

Something worth noting is that for all the sanctions being announced they're not really going after Putin's wealth or that of his cronies. These are hundreds of billions of dollars, stolen from the Russian economy, that are used to buy real estate in Western countriees, luxuries and used as political contributions. This would be what would really put the squeeze on Putin but because it also threatens business interests in the west, they're opting instead for sanctions that will make life harder for Russian people.

This is the way this constantly works. 

Lots of stolen assets are around the globe.  A significant portion of stolen money is in Switzerland and they have continued their claim of being "neutral"

This has really been an awful day.  I had good communication lines with family through the night but haven't been able to stay in touch as the day has gone on. 

bustaheims

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Quote from: Highlander on February 24, 2022, 02:12:44 PM
They just seized the Chernobyl Nuclear Plant, so under Russian Army control.  Anyone have any idea what Putin wants with that?

Probably doesn't want to risk technological improvements leading to western government being better able to poke around and discover something that's not supposed to be there. Or, maybe he just wants to pave over the place to hide a major failing of the USSR.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Highlander

Quote from: L K on February 24, 2022, 03:36:50 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 24, 2022, 03:18:05 PM

Something worth noting is that for all the sanctions being announced they're not really going after Putin's wealth or that of his cronies. These are hundreds of billions of dollars, stolen from the Russian economy, that are used to buy real estate in Western countriees, luxuries and used as political contributions. This would be what would really put the squeeze on Putin but because it also threatens business interests in the west, they're opting instead for sanctions that will make life harder for Russian people.

This is the way this constantly works. 

Lots of stolen assets are around the globe.  A significant portion of stolen money is in Switzerland and they have continued their claim of being "neutral"

This has really been an awful day.  I had good communication lines with family through the night but haven't been able to stay in touch as the day has gone on.
I am sorry to hear of your problems communicating with your family. I pray that everything is Ok with them. 
"In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's there are few"
                                           Sunryn Suzuki

Rob

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Quote from: bustaheims on February 24, 2022, 03:49:23 PM
Quote from: Highlander on February 24, 2022, 02:12:44 PM
They just seized the Chernobyl Nuclear Plant, so under Russian Army control.  Anyone have any idea what Putin wants with that?

Probably doesn't want to risk technological improvements leading to western government being better able to poke around and discover something that's not supposed to be there. Or, maybe he just wants to pave over the place to hide a major failing of the USSR.

They want the Uranium, or to prevent Ukraine from using is to make dirty bombs.  There is "spent" nuclear fuel on site and I know they were building a dry storage facility on site to store spent nuclear fuel from all over Ukraine.  Not sure if it's operational yet but there could be potentialy hundreds upon hundreds of tons of uranium in Chernobyl. 

LittleHockeyFan

thank you Nik. You beat me to it :) 

I've gone through and removed all the 'the' from the posts cause, well, as one married to a Ukrainian, it really grates for just the reason Nik mentioned.

azzurri63

Putins a twit and after reading what he said if true about what will be done if there is any interference from abroad is deeply concerning. Guys a lunatic. Whether he's all talk or is capable of starting something more worrisome is troubling.

bustaheims

Quote from: azzurri63 on February 24, 2022, 08:22:44 PM
Putins a twit and after reading what he said if true about what will be done if there is any interference from abroad is deeply concerning. Guys a lunatic. Whether he's all talk or is capable of starting something more worrisome is troubling.

The idea that he's there to "denazify" a country with a Jewish president is so laughable, it's insulting.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan