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Pietrangelo Watch

Started by herman, September 18, 2020, 07:36:36 PM

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Nik


It's a little unfortunate because you figure that if the shutdown hadn't messed up cap growth the Leafs probably could have swung a competitive offer but ultimatel, eh, whatever.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
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CarltonTheBear

Quote from: Guilt Trip on October 12, 2020, 09:05:39 PM
Apparently no signing bonuses or anything like that. Really strange move by St Louis and Petro here. That sounds like a broken relationship. As for Vegas, I don't think it was worth it. They lost Schmidt who is very good and they still need to dump someone else because they're still over the cap with 12F 7D.

Maybe I missed it but I don't think anyone's reported the breakdown/structure of the contract yet.

Guilt Trip

Quote from: Nik on October 12, 2020, 09:09:48 PM

It's a little unfortunate because you figure that if the shutdown hadn't messed up cap growth the Leafs probably could have swung a competitive offer but ultimatel, eh, whatever.
I think the Leafs always intended to go after Brodie, if available. I don't think they really wanted Petro because if they did, they could have paid him the 8.8. Willy and Kappy would do it. I think Vegas is going to dump Fleury and retain half his salary. That'll give them 2 mill to play with. They really don't have anyone to sign in 21/22.

Guilt Trip

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on October 12, 2020, 09:24:32 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on October 12, 2020, 09:05:39 PM
Apparently no signing bonuses or anything like that. Really strange move by St Louis and Petro here. That sounds like a broken relationship. As for Vegas, I don't think it was worth it. They lost Schmidt who is very good and they still need to dump someone else because they're still over the cap with 12F 7D.

Maybe I missed it but I don't think anyone's reported the breakdown/structure of the contract yet.
I was just looking at CapFriendly....that's what the ! is for lol

Heroic Shrimp

Quote from: Guilt Trip on October 12, 2020, 09:32:32 PM
Quote from: Nik on October 12, 2020, 09:09:48 PM

It's a little unfortunate because you figure that if the shutdown hadn't messed up cap growth the Leafs probably could have swung a competitive offer but ultimatel, eh, whatever.
I think the Leafs always intended to go after Brodie, if available. I don't think they really wanted Petro because if they did, they could have paid him the 8.8. Willy and Kappy would do it. I think Vegas is going to dump Fleury and retain half his salary. That'll give them 2 mill to play with. They really don't have anyone to sign in 21/22.
Re: dumping Fleury, guess again:

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1315831139010052096?s=19
Supersize my Freedom Fries

Guilt Trip

Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on October 12, 2020, 09:47:32 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on October 12, 2020, 09:32:32 PM
Quote from: Nik on October 12, 2020, 09:09:48 PM

It's a little unfortunate because you figure that if the shutdown hadn't messed up cap growth the Leafs probably could have swung a competitive offer but ultimatel, eh, whatever.
I think the Leafs always intended to go after Brodie, if available. I don't think they really wanted Petro because if they did, they could have paid him the 8.8. Willy and Kappy would do it. I think Vegas is going to dump Fleury and retain half his salary. That'll give them 2 mill to play with. They really don't have anyone to sign in 21/22.
Re: dumping Fleury, guess again:

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1315831139010052096?s=19
No guesses. We'll take Whitecloud off their hands though.

Deebo

With the 21 man roster on capfriendly, they are less than a million over the cap.

Nik

Quote from: Guilt Trip on October 12, 2020, 09:32:32 PMI think the Leafs always intended to go after Brodie, if available. I don't think they really wanted Petro because if they did, they could have paid him the 8.8. Willy and Kappy would do it.

I think there's a massive difference between needing to trade Johnsson and Kapanen to make someone fit and having to trade Nylander to do it. Nylander's a core part of the team. Absent the cap slowdown, you could have had both.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Guilt Trip

Its funny and annoying to listen to Colaiacovo go on about the Leafs should have traded everything they had to to get Petro. Get rid of Nylander because Petro answers all the needs they have on D. He then slams Brodie in one sentence because Calgary let him go but no mention about St Louis moving on from Petro and saving themselves 2.3 mill.
I would have liked to get Petro but not at what it would have cost. Is Petro better then Brodie? Absolutely but what's best for the team overall? Having Petro or having Brodie and Nylander and anything else it would have cost to land him?

Zee

Quote from: Guilt Trip on October 13, 2020, 10:01:04 AM
Its funny and annoying to listen to Colaiacovo go on about the Leafs should have traded everything they had to to get Petro. Get rid of Nylander because Petro answers all the needs they have on D. He then slams Brodie in one sentence because Calgary let him go but no mention about St Louis moving on from Petro and saving themselves 2.3 mill.
I would have liked to get Petro but not at what it would have cost. Is Petro better then Brodie? Absolutely but what's best for the team overall? Having Petro or having Brodie and Nylander and anything else it would have cost to land him?

Colaiacovo is one of those Woodbridge Leafs fans that doesn't think that far.  Give him a big name signing and he'd dump a bunch of players to get him without thinking of consequences.

Frank E

Given what the trade market looked like, I think trading Nylander would have been difficult in terms of getting a decent value...other than maybe for a top pairing d-man.

So I'm disappointed that they couldn't land Pietrangelo, but I'm not unhappy with how they used their assets/cap dollars and that they got Brodie instead.  The only disappointing move for me was the Johnsson deal, but they needed the cap space, and there just wasn't much market value for the guy given all the supply of good forwards out there as UFA.

I said a few days ago that I thought prices and terms were going to be reasonable, and I think that turned out to be the case.  It's really too bad the Leafs didn't have more cap space available. 

azzurri63

Quote from: Guilt Trip on October 13, 2020, 10:01:04 AM
Its funny and annoying to listen to Colaiacovo go on about the Leafs should have traded everything they had to to get Petro. Get rid of Nylander because Petro answers all the needs they have on D. He then slams Brodie in one sentence because Calgary let him go but no mention about St Louis moving on from Petro and saving themselves 2.3 mill.
I would have liked to get Petro but not at what it would have cost. Is Petro better then Brodie? Absolutely but what's best for the team overall? Having Petro or having Brodie and Nylander and anything else it would have cost to land him?

I agree 8.8 is too much. Not sure if they could have gotten him for $8 million per season but if possible how about signing both AP and Brodie and trading Nylander. Our defense would have been solid. Sure we lose some scoring but overall would we be a better team or weaker? Nik I do agree with you on Nylander being a big part of the team but in my opinion a change was needed with this team and the big 4. Matthews and Tavares aren't going anywhere and Marners contract yikes probably hard to trade without taking some salary back so that leaves Nylander as the one to go. I didn't like his contract because of him holding out otherwise its a good deal and easily tradeable.

Andy

You know it's funny, there's always all of this media talk about Toronto's "horrible" cap situation and how overpaid certain players (who haven't nearly reached their prime yet) are yet a lot of these same people balk when the Leafs refrain from signing a guy who will be 31 in January to a 7year x 9million per+ deal. That is a pretty crazy risk to take, imo. And then I've seen multiple articles listing Brodie as a risky sign because he's already 30. I really don't get it. And had the Leafs cleared out space and signed Pietrangelo, you know the second he starts to struggle the narrative will immediately shift to how risky the signing was and how poorly the assets were managed, etc. etc.

I guess this is just a rambling, ranting way of saying I am glad we stayed far away from that AP contract and am happy with the way the roster has been constructed thus far. Oh, and I am also aboard the Thornton train.  8)


herman

Quote from: Zee on October 13, 2020, 11:30:02 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on October 13, 2020, 10:01:04 AM
Its funny and annoying to listen to Colaiacovo go on about the Leafs should have traded everything they had to to get Petro.

Colaiacovo is one of those Woodbridge Leafs fans that doesn't think that far.  Give him a big name signing and he'd dump a bunch of players to get him without thinking of consequences.

He's also really good friends with Pietrangelo from his days playing in St. Louis, so it goes a bit beyond just clamouring for a big ticket free agent.
"Can't let the poison get to you"
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Nik

Quote from: Guilt Trip on October 13, 2020, 10:01:04 AM
I would have liked to get Petro but not at what it would have cost. Is Petro better then Brodie? Absolutely but what's best for the team overall? Having Petro or having Brodie and Nylander and anything else it would have cost to land him?

I really don't think enough attention got paid to that article that was posted examining Pietrangelo's actual role with the Blues. I think most of the people who really wanted him here cast him in the Norris-contending do everything play 25 minutes a night and be the best defenseman on the whole ice and apparently aren't aware that the Blues had their real success in not using him against the other team's top lines.

I really, genuinely believe that the sort of fans who are the most upset the Leafs missed out on Pietrangelo would not be satisfied with him or any one who fell short of a Pronger/Larry Robinson sort of all-timer in the role.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi