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Armchair GM Thread 2020-2021

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Guilt Trip

Quote from: OldTimeHockey on February 02, 2021, 04:50:14 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on February 02, 2021, 04:29:11 PM
I don't see the Leafs trading any D men away. Injuries can and probably will happen so it's better to be looking at them then looking for them.

I think it all depends. They have 3 players that look like they can step into Dermott's spot. How many back ups of the back ups do they think they need?
Tampa used 9 D men in the playoffs last year. Sandin, Lehtonen and who's your 3rd?

bustaheims

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Quote from: OldTimeHockey on February 02, 2021, 04:50:14 PM
I think it all depends. They have 3 players that look like they can step into Dermott's spot. How many back ups of the back ups do they think they need?

No thing as too much depth. Unless the Leafs are getting an upgrade somewhere else, there's no reason to move Dermott during the season. They're not moving him for picks and/or prospects during the campaign.

Also, of the players that could "step into Dermott's spot," Dermott has shown the most at the NHL level to this point. Sandin should overtake him by next season, but none of the other options currently available look like they're that close to providing the same quality of play in the near term.
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Nik


I have a hunch that at the end of this crunched, compressed season there's going to be a huge upside in having good, fresh depth.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

herman

Quote from: OldTimeHockey on February 02, 2021, 04:51:48 PM
Quote from: herman on February 02, 2021, 03:46:29 PM
I've been thinking about this for awhile: Morgan Rielly is the Leafs' DeMar DeRozan. Is there a Kawhi Leonard in the NHL? Does Dubas have the gumption to make that trade when the circumstances align?

Meaning, a 1 year, all in player? If it works you're a genius. If it fails.........how far back have you set your team?

It would really depend on who the Kawhi is, and it might not just be for a year. Rielly is commanding 7-8M at least on his next contract, with the potential to walk if we take him to the end of his deal.

The point is more to leverage the Rielly-asset at nearly his peak return. He is a leader in the room, productive on the ice, a pillar in the community, and the longest serving member so I suggest this with all due respect. At the same time, he is defensively ineffective and has required a great deal of investment to prop up while his offense is veering towards replaceable. With the Kraken draft approaching and a logjam to sort through for the protection list and cheaper LD on deck, converting Rielly to a premier playdriving LW/C (whoever that might be) in the offseason makes a lot of teambuilding sense to me.

Let's throw out an example: Florida gets steamrolled this season and scores pretty high on the draft lottery and decides to re-tool for another year or two, save a bit of money, open up a lane for Lundell, but also provide veteran leadership and the best partner Aaron Ekblad has ever played with. Leafs take back Sasha Barkov who requested a trade after yet another dismal season playing on America's wang.
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Guilt Trip

Quote from: herman on February 02, 2021, 05:27:59 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on February 02, 2021, 04:51:48 PM
Quote from: herman on February 02, 2021, 03:46:29 PM
I've been thinking about this for awhile: Morgan Rielly is the Leafs' DeMar DeRozan. Is there a Kawhi Leonard in the NHL? Does Dubas have the gumption to make that trade when the circumstances align?

Meaning, a 1 year, all in player? If it works you're a genius. If it fails.........how far back have you set your team?

It would really depend on who the Kawhi is, and it might not just be for a year. Rielly is commanding 7-8M at least on his next contract, with the potential to walk if we take him to the end of his deal.

The point is more to leverage the Rielly-asset at nearly his peak return. He is a leader in the room, productive on the ice, a pillar in the community, and the longest serving member so I suggest this with all due respect. At the same time, he is defensively ineffective and has required a great deal of investment to prop up while his offense is veering towards replaceable. With the Kraken draft approaching and a logjam to sort through for the protection list and cheaper LD on deck, converting Rielly to a premier playdriving LW/C (whoever that might be) in the offseason makes a lot of teambuilding sense to me.

Let's throw out an example: Florida gets steamrolled this season and scores pretty high on the draft lottery and decides to re-tool for another year or two, save a bit of money, open up a lane for Lundell, but also provide veteran leadership and the best partner Aaron Ekblad has ever played with. Leafs take back Sasha Barkov who requested a trade after yet another dismal season playing on America's wang.
I think the Leafs will have to seriously look at moving Rielly. There's no way they can pay him 7-8 mill. His defence isn't good enough.

OldTimeHockey

Quote from: bustaheims on February 02, 2021, 05:12:33 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on February 02, 2021, 04:50:14 PM
I think it all depends. They have 3 players that look like they can step into Dermott's spot. How many back ups of the back ups do they think they need?

No thing as too much depth. Unless the Leafs are getting an upgrade somewhere else, there's no reason to move Dermott during the season. They're not moving him for picks and/or prospects during the campaign.

Also, of the players that could "step into Dermott's spot," Dermott has shown the most at the NHL level to this point. Sandin should overtake him by next season, but none of the other options currently available look like they're that close to providing the same quality of play in the near term.

Which is why I said "it all depends". At some point they have to decide where they need the depth? Is it a 3rd goalie? Is it another center? Of course the return matters. I'm not saying to move on from Dermott in the least. I actually like him quite a bit.

But if he's a piece that you can move to fill another hole, you have to seriously consider it. With Lehtonen, Sandin, Liljegren on the sidelines, and even Marincin kicking around, you do have options. Are any of them Dermott? No, not yet. So, like any trade, it depends on the return.

OldTimeHockey

Quote from: herman on February 02, 2021, 05:27:59 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on February 02, 2021, 04:51:48 PM
Quote from: herman on February 02, 2021, 03:46:29 PM
I've been thinking about this for awhile: Morgan Rielly is the Leafs' DeMar DeRozan. Is there a Kawhi Leonard in the NHL? Does Dubas have the gumption to make that trade when the circumstances align?

Meaning, a 1 year, all in player? If it works you're a genius. If it fails.........how far back have you set your team?

It would really depend on who the Kawhi is, and it might not just be for a year. Rielly is commanding 7-8M at least on his next contract, with the potential to walk if we take him to the end of his deal.

The point is more to leverage the Rielly-asset at nearly his peak return. He is a leader in the room, productive on the ice, a pillar in the community, and the longest serving member so I suggest this with all due respect. At the same time, he is defensively ineffective and has required a great deal of investment to prop up while his offense is veering towards replaceable. With the Kraken draft approaching and a logjam to sort through for the protection list and cheaper LD on deck, converting Rielly to a premier playdriving LW/C (whoever that might be) in the offseason makes a lot of teambuilding sense to me.

Let's throw out an example: Florida gets steamrolled this season and scores pretty high on the draft lottery and decides to re-tool for another year or two, save a bit of money, open up a lane for Lundell, but also provide veteran leadership and the best partner Aaron Ekblad has ever played with. Leafs take back Sasha Barkov who requested a trade after yet another dismal season playing on America's wang.

Yeah, I wasn't thinking of it from the Derozan angle, but I get what you're saying.

Nik


I think the problem with the Kawhi analogy is that he really was a game changing top 5 in the league sort of talent. In the NHL, those guys don't really move unless they demand out or something and even then the cost tends to be prohibitive even from a "win now" perspective.

Also, and this is more in the weeds, but the reason that trade worked as well as it did is that Kawhi immediately jumped into DeRozan's role as a scoring wing but was just an upgraded version.  Dealing Rielly for Barkov, as cool as it would be, would take a weak D group and blast a hole in it.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

L K

Yep, if a team wants Dermott its either coming as a deadline move in a package or its in the offseason.  You don't sacrifice depth on the blueline if you are hoping for a deep playoff run.

OldTimeHockey

Quote from: Nik on February 03, 2021, 12:11:04 PM

I think the problem with the Kawhi analogy is that he really was a game changing top 5 in the league sort of talent. In the NHL, those guys don't really move unless they demand out or something and even then the cost tends to be prohibitive even from a "win now" perspective.

Also, and this is more in the weeds, but the reason that trade worked as well as it did is that Kawhi immediately jumped into DeRozan's role as a scoring wing but was just an upgraded version.  Dealing Rielly for Barkov, as cool as it would be, would take a weak D group and blast a hole in it.

Agreed on all fronts. Plus, you're not getting a top 5 type player by dealing just Rielly, so how much more are you sacrificing?

Highlander

"In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's there are few"
                                           Sunryn Suzuki

Highlander

Rielly for Taylor Hall on Matthews LW.  Hall-Matthews-Marner
One season of this!
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CarltonTheBear

Kypreos thinks the Leafs should trade Robertson and Kerfoot for Bennett.

lol

Bender

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 15, 2021, 05:32:01 PM
Kypreos thinks the Leafs should trade Robertson and Kerfoot for Bennett.

lol
And that's why he's not in tv anymore.
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herman

I am truly mystified by the pants rocket hockey men seem to be sporting for Sam Bennett.
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