Quote from: AtomicMapleLeaf on August 09, 2023, 03:03:26 PMIs Woll waiver exempt? I don't think he is.He's not. Jones will be going on waivers.
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Show posts MenuQuote from: AtomicMapleLeaf on August 09, 2023, 03:03:26 PMIs Woll waiver exempt? I don't think he is.He's not. Jones will be going on waivers.
Quote from: L K on August 04, 2023, 07:41:21 AMI do like that Pridham said no to him to stay in Toronto. That's good.Do we even know if he was asked? Either way, I've worked for many great people who have moved on. Not once did I want to uproot m family to follow to another company and def not to another country.
Quote from: Nik on July 30, 2023, 11:54:30 PMExactly. Well stated.Quote from: azzurri63 on July 30, 2023, 07:29:07 PMYou want big bucks then sign for 8 years like most others.
This doesn't make any sense to me. If you're dealing with players who are 26 or 27 why do you want them to sign 8 year deals? Why are you so eager to lock up guys where you're paying them prime rates for their 32-35 year seasons? I'd think our experience with Tavares would teach people that 5 year deals are probably optimal for guys on their third contracts.
Like are people looking at what Chicago got out of Toews the last three years and really eager to sign up for that?
Quote from: cw on July 26, 2023, 06:44:31 PMIf I had to bet on it, the Leafs were counting on buying him out and Murray's camp played the injury card.I don't buy they're playing the injury card but we're going to find out at some point during the year...
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on July 26, 2023, 11:21:51 AMCurrent roster/cap number after this:How about just running 11/7 with a 20 man roster and keeping Jarnkrok and Laff/Timmins? Personally I'd move Jarnkrok and go with a 23 man roster. I think Laff is just as good defensively and if given the chance would put up some decent numbers in the top 6 like Jarnkrok.
Bertuzzi-Matthews-Marner
Domi-Tavares-Nylander
Knies-Kampf-Jarnkrok
McMann/Holmberg-Lafferty-Reaves
Rielly-Brodie
McCabe-Liljegren
Giordano-Klingberg
Timmins
Samsonov
Woll
That roster is still $450-500k over the cap, depending on the 12th forward. So another move is still required.
Possible options:
1) Waive/trade Timmins. This gives the Leafs just a 20-man roster and $600k of cap space that can't really be used.
2) Waive/trade Lafferty, replace with Gambrell (league min). This still puts the Leafs $84k over the salary cap. They would still need to waive/trade Timmins, but that would give them enough cap space to carry either a 13th forward or 7th defenceman who makes under $1mil.
3) Trade Jarnkrok. This gives the Leafs enough cap space to keep Lafferty, Timmins, and enough cap space to carry both a 13th forward and a 7th defenceman on the roster. So arguably hurts the roster the most since Jarnkrok is the more valuable player of the 3 but it provides the most cap space/roster flexibility.
4) Screw it, trade all 3 of Jarnkrok, Timmins, and Lafferty. This gives the Leafs a 20-man roster with $2.3mil in cap space if Treliving had his eye on either a different middle-6 forward option and/or a physical defenceman.
Quote from: Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington on July 25, 2023, 03:26:20 PMGiven every other team knows that the Leafs need to clear cap space what's the likely return on Jarnkrok? 4th round pick or equivalent prospect?You're probably losing Lafferty/Timmins for the same or less.
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on July 25, 2023, 09:29:27 AMYup I agree it'll be unlikely that all of his money is gone. They do however get to keep Laff, Timmins/7th D in a buyout situation with a Jarnkrok trade.Quote from: Guilt Trip on July 25, 2023, 09:21:59 AMWell it's 2 roster spots(if losing all of Murray) if we're talking guys like Rob, McM, Steeves. We also get to keep Timmins/Gio because Laff by himself is not enough so a D man has to go. Lafferty is a PK guy too so if he goes, it's kind of the same deal on the D side. They could maybe grab a UFA min guy who's good defensively? Having a 22 man roster and not losing Lafferty and Timmins/Gio would be better but I'm not the boss. I also look at Jarnkrok's preformance and contract. He'll be 32 starting next season and hasn't done well in the playoffs. 5 goals and 22 pts in 86 games doesn't scream keep me.
I'll admit if it's 2 extra roster spots I'd be more tempted. But that only happens if Murray gets LTIR'd for the whole season or traded with no retention or no contracts coming back. I still think that's a little unlikely at this point but we'll see.
Quote from: Frank E on July 25, 2023, 09:15:37 AMhttps://twitter.com/NHLBruins/status/1683839534142992386Huge blow to the Bruins. Guy can still play at a high level.
Bergeron calls it a career.
Quote from: Frank E on July 25, 2023, 09:13:32 AMHe did literally nothing in the playoffs which is the norm for his career. 5 goals in 86 playoff games and like CTB said, his numbers were def boosted playing up with the stars. Perhaps it can be a sell high moment. Listen I like Jarnkrok, but losing Laff and Timmins/Gio and weakening the team overall isn't ideal. We have to strengthen the team and have more flexibility.Quote from: CarltonTheBear on July 25, 2023, 09:05:45 AMQuote from: Guilt Trip on July 25, 2023, 08:53:36 AMLeafs could trade Jarnkrok. Buyout Murray, keep Timmins, Lafferty and promote Robertson or McMann as 3LW(118K in space). If they lose all of Murray's salary and trade Jarnkrok, they could carry both Robertson and McMann with 13F 7D...43K cap space.
It's an option, sure. And if cap/roster flexibility is the main priority it's probably the one that makes the most sense. But losing Kerfoot, Engvall/Acciari, ZAR, AND Jarnkrok from last season might be a little bit too much of a blow to the teams overall defensive game. They'll have to balance how much that's worth the extra 1 or 2 roster spots.
Plus Jarnkrok quietly scored 20 goals for his $2.1m cap hit...that's pretty handy.
He wouldn't be the one I move out.
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on July 25, 2023, 09:05:45 AMWell it's 2 roster spots(if losing all of Murray) if we're talking guys like Rob, McM, Steeves. We also get to keep Timmins/Gio because Laff by himself is not enough so a D man has to go. Lafferty is a PK guy too so if he goes, it's kind of the same deal on the D side. They could maybe grab a UFA min guy who's good defensively? Having a 22 man roster and not losing Lafferty and Timmins/Gio would be better but I'm not the boss. I also look at Jarnkrok's preformance and contract. He'll be 32 starting next season and hasn't done well in the playoffs. 5 goals and 22 pts in 86 games doesn't scream keep me.Quote from: Guilt Trip on July 25, 2023, 08:53:36 AMLeafs could trade Jarnkrok. Buyout Murray, keep Timmins, Lafferty and promote Robertson or McMann as 3LW(118K in space). If they lose all of Murray's salary and trade Jarnkrok, they could carry both Robertson and McMann with 13F 7D...43K cap space.
It's an option, sure. And if cap/roster flexibility is the main priority it's probably the one that makes the most sense. But losing Kerfoot, Engvall/Acciari, ZAR, AND Jarnkrok from last season might be a little bit too much of a blow to the teams overall defensive game. They'll have to balance how much that's worth the extra 1 or 2 roster spots.
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on July 23, 2023, 03:39:27 PMWith Murray bought out, a 12F/6D roster, Timmins waived and McMann (the cheapest 12th forward option) on the roster the Leafs are still $48k over the cap.Leafs could trade Jarnkrok. Buyout Murray, keep Timmins, Lafferty and promote Robertson or McMann as 3LW(118K in space). If they lose all of Murray's salary and trade Jarnkrok, they could carry both Robertson and McMann with 13F 7D...43K cap space.
Samsonov getting $3.55mil instead of just $3.5mil will mean we can't keep Lafferty, as things currently stand. That's unforunate.
Quote from: herman on July 24, 2023, 12:08:50 PMThose July 1st signings are looking a little extra bad right now :)Yup. Too much for Klingberg and Reaves will end up costing the Leafs.
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on July 08, 2023, 06:05:25 PMHe is better then Meier offensively and should make more then him. He's not remotely close to Tkachuk. I don't care where Tkachuk signed, the cap is the same and shouldn't get as much.Quote from: Guilt Trip on July 08, 2023, 05:55:20 PMQuote from: Significantly Insignificant on July 08, 2023, 05:52:18 PMI'm not so sure that Nylander's ask for 10 million is all that outrageous. Huberdeau is making 10.5. Looking at the first 8 years of their careers, and the numbers are pretty similar. Also Nylander has played in more playoff games, and have about the same points per game in the playoffs as Huberdeau. So if you are signing Nylander for 8 years, that seems to be around where he should slot in.Tkachuk makes 9.5, Meier 8.8...no way in hell should he get more then Chucky.
I think he's a better point producer than Meier. Tkachuk signed his deal in a no tax state, and signed when he was an RFA, not a UFA. Huberdeau signed in a similar position to Nylander.
Quote from: L K on July 08, 2023, 07:29:03 PMAnd that's my point...worth more then Meier but not Chucky.Quote from: Guilt Trip on July 08, 2023, 05:55:20 PMQuote from: Significantly Insignificant on July 08, 2023, 05:52:18 PMI'm not so sure that Nylander's ask for 10 million is all that outrageous. Huberdeau is making 10.5. Looking at the first 8 years of their careers, and the numbers are pretty similar. Also Nylander has played in more playoff games, and have about the same points per game in the playoffs as Huberdeau. So if you are signing Nylander for 8 years, that seems to be around where he should slot in.Tkachuk makes 9.5, Meier 8.8...no way in hell should he get more then Chucky.
Meier's last three seasons: 209GP 87G 86A 173P (and 24 points in 46 career playoff games)
Nylander's last three seasons: 214GP 91G 118A 209P (and 40 points in 50 career playoff games)
I think Nylander's number has to come above 9 but I agree that he should probably make less than Tkachuck so my reasonable number would probably be in the 9.2-9.3 range. More than that and I think we are just going to bash our heads into the wall of "how do we build a team around this salary".
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