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#2
Quote from: Highlander on May 16, 2024, 11:00:35 AM
Quote from: Dappleganger on May 16, 2024, 10:57:01 AM
Quote from: Rob on May 16, 2024, 09:18:11 AM
Quote from: cabber24 on May 16, 2024, 08:58:16 AMHe was named playoff MVP and became the first OHL player to win both regular season and post-season MVP since Mitch Marner did it in 2016, also with the Knights...

I read an article comparing him to Marner, but more physical and willing to go into the corners. 


So the Leafs have their Marner replacement in house. 👍


plug and play!  And at 850K a year.

$935,833

Less than 1/10th of MM16.
#3
Quote from: cabber24 on May 16, 2024, 08:58:16 AMHe was named playoff MVP and became the first OHL player to win both regular season and post-season MVP since Mitch Marner did it in 2016, also with the Knights...

I read an article comparing him to Marner, but more physical and willing to go into the corners. 
#4
Quote from: Bender on May 16, 2024, 08:44:50 AM
Quote from: louisstamos on May 16, 2024, 08:32:48 AMIn hindsight - how was this guy projected to go in the 3rd round by some people!?!?

Because development can be a crapshoot.

He seems to have matured physically and mentally over the last year.  Looks more like a young man than boy. 

#5
I'm on board with firing everyone and cleaning house on the roster. 
#6
Quote from: Bill_Berg on May 11, 2024, 09:17:42 AMBoo, none of these names have amusing qualities to them. I'll just trust the Leaf scouts this year.

Henry Mews is a little aMEWSing.
#7
Boston getting out dirtied. 
#8
The way Shanahan played the game, he won three cups and knows what it takes.  I think this is a board issue, particularly Tanenbaum wanting to hang on to the "core four". 

Maybe they have the board convinced that this team can't win the way it is structured. 
#9
Quote from: bustaheims on May 09, 2024, 09:13:23 AM
Quote from: mr grieves on May 09, 2024, 09:04:16 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on May 09, 2024, 07:49:01 AMTechnically, it would be his 4th coaching stint in the NHL, and his 5th time being employed.

Why let a technicality get in the way of a beautiful reunion?

You know, reasons and stuff. Mostly, that it wouldn't be a beautiful reunion. I'm all for chaos, but . . .

But if you wanted Marner to wave his no trade clause...........
#10
John Tortorella would be hilarious in Toronto. 
#11
Quote from: Frank E on May 07, 2024, 12:51:41 PMI think we should remember that Shanahan did add some element of stability to an organization that was a bit of a mess...he added it through people that had experience and tenure, and some young bucks.  But I think maybe that he started then to want to be the orchestrator rather than the overseer, and shit went sideways.

I'd say he has done a TREMENDOUS job with the organisation, outside of on-ice success.   
#12
Quote from: Zee on May 07, 2024, 11:57:37 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on May 07, 2024, 11:35:42 AM
Quote from: Zee on May 07, 2024, 11:04:23 AMThey were dead last in the league in 2015/2016 and got to draft Matthews.  What was the urgency to suddenly become a playoff team and start making deadline decisions like you were a contender in 2016/2017?
There wasn't an urgency to become a playoff team. The "problem" was they were just that good and they made the playoffs. They didn't make deadline decisions like a contender. They brought in depth centres and proven guys at that. Boyle and Plekanac. Since they were making the playoffs they figured the experience would help them. Look at the sens and Sabres as 2 examples. Great young players and both haven't got near the playoffs yet. Leafs haven't missed since being last in the league.
Anyway we'll see where this goes. I suspect Shanny will be getting a new role with the team and Tre will get what Dubas wanted ultimately and not have to run everything through Shanny.


They had expiring UFAs of JVR, Bozak on the roster who they knew they weren't going to re-sign. Holding onto those guys as your "own rentals" is thinking like a playoff team and not a rebuilding team.  Let's say they cast off those players, and actually MISSED the playoffs because of it.  Good.  Then the core 3 at the time didn't get their first playoff experience, maybe have a worse following season if management approached it again as a rebuilding team, and then they can't demand as much on their post-ELC deals.  It was all snowball effect right after they decided to add at the deadline as opposed to keep stockpiling.

Also, in hindsight we all know what a dick Babcock turned out to be, but really they should have stuck with their first instinct of hiring Guy Boucher as the head coach in 2015.  The team probably would have been boring as hell defensive hockey style, which might have produced worse results than they got under Babcock, which in turn helps out the "rebuilding" philosophy of stock piling talent.  Let Boucher run the team 3 seasons and then can him for a real coach when you want to start adding.

In short I come to bury Shanahan not to praise him. LOL

And also traded a first for Freddy. 
#13
Quote from: cabber24 on May 07, 2024, 01:55:25 AM
Quote from: Rob on May 06, 2024, 07:27:07 PM
Quote from: mr grieves on May 06, 2024, 07:25:32 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 06, 2024, 12:47:44 PMIf Marner goes to Treliving on July 1st and says he's willing to sign an identical extension to Nylander's (8 years, $11.5mil), do you do it?

I would.

Tavares's contract comes off the books, and whatever follows (if here) will likely be deeply discounted (can't see higher than $6M). That's $17.5 where once it was $22, and under a much different cap.

Would insist on a 10-team list every year tho

Absolutely.  After having a couple days to calm down, I think getting rid of Marner would be a huge mistake.
Why don't you guys just rewatch the last 8 playoffs and let the rest of the crowd base see something new.


I don't know, Steve Yzerman was almost traded out of Detroit too. 

I'd first like to see what another coach could do.
#14
Quote from: Peter D. on May 06, 2024, 09:54:55 PM
Quote from: Rob on May 06, 2024, 07:25:43 PMI like Sheldon Keefe.  I think coaches can get stale.  As the saying goes, coaches are hired to be fired.  I'm sure he will land on his feet with another team in short order, if that's what ultimately happens here with the Leafs.

I could totally see Dubas firing Sullivan and bringing in Keefe if and when he is fired by the Leafs.

Keefe seems like a good guy.  The players obviously like and respect him.  But he's been unable to bring the potential out of this team.  He hasn't lived up to expectations, and he'll take the fall for it.  At this point, I'd say rightfully so.

I think he may be a little too much of a "player's coach"  and is a little too lenient, particularly with the stars.  Look what the Boston coach did, calling out Pastrnak prior to game 7. 

Also, his stubbornness in making any sort of adjustments in game.  He seems to be a the "this is the system, play it no matter what" type of coach. 
#15
Quote from: mr grieves on May 06, 2024, 07:25:32 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 06, 2024, 12:47:44 PMIf Marner goes to Treliving on July 1st and says he's willing to sign an identical extension to Nylander's (8 years, $11.5mil), do you do it?

I would.

Tavares's contract comes off the books, and whatever follows (if here) will likely be deeply discounted (can't see higher than $6M). That's $17.5 where once it was $22, and under a much different cap.

Would insist on a 10-team list every year tho

Absolutely.  After having a couple days to calm down, I think getting rid of Marner would be a huge mistake.