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Title: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on August 13, 2021, 09:07:37 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1426270037883633670
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on August 15, 2021, 10:52:29 AM
https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNHL/status/1426561785386184711
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on August 17, 2021, 01:04:52 PM
https://twitter.com/novy_williams/status/1427660080841900032
https://twitter.com/b1rky/status/1427675282178203654
MLSE just has to now.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on August 17, 2021, 04:04:06 PM
What a shock.   I can't wait until the jerseys look like  Europe. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on August 17, 2021, 04:53:09 PM
https://twitter.com/bringbacklee/status/1427699965992837130
Dang this one is good too
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Peter D. on August 17, 2021, 11:50:17 PM
Ads on jerseys was inevitable, but still effin' gross.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on August 18, 2021, 12:18:11 AM
Quote from: Peter D. on August 17, 2021, 11:50:17 PM
Ads on jerseys was inevitable, but still effin' gross.

Sure is.  But hey, I'm a suckerloser and greed is good, right?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on August 18, 2021, 04:25:31 AM
Quote from: L K on August 17, 2021, 04:04:06 PM
What a shock.   I can't wait until the jerseys look like  Europe.

You get used to it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 18, 2021, 09:10:48 AM
Call me naive, but I don't see the NHL ever going full-European style hockey jerseys in regards to ads. The NBA has started to do ads on their jerseys. Correct me if I'm wrong, lots of soccer/football leagues have ads on their jerseys. Neither of them have gone overboard with full head-to-toe ad placements. So I don't get why jerseys from a Swiss hockey league are typically seen as the standard for this. When the game is actually going on I really don't think you even notice this kind of stuff. Especially when the players are surrounded by ads on the ice/boards/stands anyway. So a big ol' meh here, at least from me.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on August 18, 2021, 10:03:22 AM
Doesn't bother me at all. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on August 18, 2021, 10:48:46 AM
https://twitter.com/McguirePetrov/status/1427676831004741632
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on August 18, 2021, 11:10:00 AM
I actually think from an advertising point of view one patch is more effective.

In our early days we only had one main sponsor on the shirt, Harp Lager, and one on the shoulder patches

https://twitter.com/Davy_McG/status/1340761328147976197

Now we have this

https://twitter.com/BelfastGiants/status/1422832175502794756

And I couldn't tell you who 90% of the sponsors even are

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 18, 2021, 11:29:08 AM
Quote from: Arn on August 18, 2021, 11:10:00 AM
I actually think from an advertising point of view one patch is more effective.

In our early days we only had one main sponsor on the shirt, Harp Lager, and one on the shoulder patches

And I couldn't tell you who 90% of the sponsors even are

That feels like another reason why we won't see NHL teams get flooded with ads on their jerseys. A team like Belfast or teams in the Swiss league probably take on a boatload of ads from local companies and I'd assume the team doesn't get paid a ton for each one but they add up to a decent profit. But here most NHL teams will partner with one or two big brands (like the Leafs with Scotia) and those companies will pay NHL teams more not only to have their ads on the jersey but also for exclusivity rights to block other companies from getting placements.

Side note, Harp is one of my favourite beers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on August 18, 2021, 11:46:51 AM
Quote from: Frank E on August 18, 2021, 10:03:22 AM
Doesn't bother me at all.

me neither.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 18, 2021, 01:50:37 PM
How has Jack Eichel not been traded yet?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on August 18, 2021, 01:58:55 PM
https://twitter.com/OhRyanMead/status/1427249518718955534
https://twitter.com/BlueshirtsBreak/status/1427312411967643651
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on August 18, 2021, 02:16:52 PM
Hey more revenue to support a hard cap system and get more money for Arizona? I'm all in.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on August 18, 2021, 02:38:56 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on August 18, 2021, 01:50:37 PM
How has Jack Eichel not been traded yet?

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Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on August 19, 2021, 05:19:25 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on August 18, 2021, 11:29:08 AM
Quote from: Arn on August 18, 2021, 11:10:00 AM
I actually think from an advertising point of view one patch is more effective.

In our early days we only had one main sponsor on the shirt, Harp Lager, and one on the shoulder patches

And I couldn't tell you who 90% of the sponsors even are

That feels like another reason why we won't see NHL teams get flooded with ads on their jerseys. A team like Belfast or teams in the Swiss league probably take on a boatload of ads from local companies and I'd assume the team doesn't get paid a ton for each one but they add up to a decent profit. But here most NHL teams will partner with one or two big brands (like the Leafs with Scotia) and those companies will pay NHL teams more not only to have their ads on the jersey but also for exclusivity rights to block other companies from getting placements.

Side note, Harp is one of my favourite beers.

Exactly my thinking - anyone partnering with an NHL team likely won't want their brand to be lost among others so it's more likely to be a prime rate. Same with the helmet adverts.

I think by about mid-October people won't even notice the one patch.

I can't ever see the NHL going like Europe - there's too many bigger revenue streams that keep teams ticking over than in Europe where we don't have the big TV deals bringing in money, and ticket prices and game day revenue are much lower and so on.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on August 19, 2021, 10:58:01 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on August 18, 2021, 02:38:56 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on August 18, 2021, 01:50:37 PM
How has Jack Eichel not been traded yet?

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Adams has probably been bombarded with low balls given the press about the whole thing...Eichel isn't helping his own case...then you've got a meddling owner involved as well.  I'm not surprised that they're just standing pat for now.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on August 19, 2021, 11:32:23 AM
Quote from: Frank E on August 19, 2021, 10:58:01 AM
Adams has probably been bombarded with low balls given the press about the whole thing...Eichel isn't helping his own case...then you've got a meddling owner involved as well.  I'm not surprised that they're just standing pat for now.

While they clearly have no intention of being a particularly competitive team next season, I still think they'd want to have this situation dealt with sooner rather than later. The relationship with Eichel has become toxic to the point that it could negatively impact the team's ability to sign/retain other players. Who would want to go to/stay with Buffalo when they see how they've treated the face of their franchise? On top of that, with all the contracts they've shed, they've actually lost some leverage - they now need to take a contract back or overpay a free agent if they move Eichel, or they'll be below the cap floor. It's no wonder teams are lowballing them - they've basically screwed themselves here.

Really, at this point, Buffalo's best case scenario is likely still a Pyrrhic victory.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on August 19, 2021, 02:51:19 PM
https://twitter.com/jackeichel/status/1428423786085429248
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on August 19, 2021, 04:03:47 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on August 19, 2021, 11:32:23 AM
Quote from: Frank E on August 19, 2021, 10:58:01 AM
Adams has probably been bombarded with low balls given the press about the whole thing...Eichel isn't helping his own case...then you've got a meddling owner involved as well.  I'm not surprised that they're just standing pat for now.

The relationship with Eichel has become toxic to the point that it could negatively impact the team's ability to sign/retain other players. Who would want to go to/stay with Buffalo when they see how they've treated the face of their franchise?

Jack Eichel hasn't done himself any favours in the process.  And in turn, hasn't helped Buffalo move him. I get that Buffalo has screwed this up but Eichel comes off like a whiny player that throws a tantrum when he doesn't get his way.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 19, 2021, 04:11:15 PM
Shocking news:

https://twitter.com/KatieJStrang/status/1428446666055630849
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 19, 2021, 04:16:05 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on August 19, 2021, 04:03:47 PM
Jack Eichel hasn't done himself any favours in the process.  And in turn, hasn't helped Buffalo move him. I get that Buffalo has screwed this up but Eichel comes off like a whiny player that throws a tantrum when he doesn't get his way.

I'm not super eager to defend Eichel's character but I feel like the only time he's (or his agents) really spoken out here have been because of how Buffalo's handled the whole injury/surgery fiasco... and it's tough to blame him there I think.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on August 19, 2021, 04:48:57 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on August 19, 2021, 04:11:15 PM
Shocking news:

https://twitter.com/KatieJStrang/status/1428446666055630849

The thing is, where would they even move to at this point? Is there even a city that makes sense geographically or economically? I know Kansas City was the noise after they built that arena but, to put it mildly, it didn't seem like there was a ton of fierce interest for expansion teams.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on August 19, 2021, 05:15:46 PM

Also, I guarantee you'll hear people say things like "The problem isn't that the team is in Arizona, the problem is they built an arena out in Glendale that's hard to get to" which sounds reasonable until you remember that the Coyotes have been for sale a lot in the past and at no point has a smart rich person come along and bought the team, built an arena in a more accessible spot and reaped the rewards.

That's because that wouldn't be a smart business decision. What those people really mean is "The Coyotes would be in better financial shape if someone gave the team a free 500 million dollar arena in downtown Phoenix" which is what passes for smart business analysis in the sports world.

Shoot, I've got a bunch of business ideas that would work if you gave me 500 million dollars.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on August 19, 2021, 07:21:19 PM
Quote from: Nik on August 19, 2021, 05:15:46 PM

Also, I guarantee you'll hear people say things like "The problem isn't that the team is in Arizona, the problem is they built an arena out in Glendale that's hard to get to" which sounds reasonable until you remember that the Coyotes have been for sale a lot in the past and at no point has a smart rich person come along and bought the team, built an arena in a more accessible spot and reaped the rewards.

That's because that wouldn't be a smart business decision. What those people really mean is "The Coyotes would be in better financial shape if someone gave the team a free 500 million dollar arena in downtown Phoenix" which is what passes for smart business analysis in the sports world.

Shoot, I've got a bunch of business ideas that would work if you gave me 500 million dollars.

I don't know...it seemed to work pretty well for the Oilers?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on August 19, 2021, 07:21:44 PM
Quote from: Nik on August 19, 2021, 05:15:46 PM

Also, I guarantee you'll hear people say things like "The problem isn't that the team is in Arizona, the problem is they built an arena out in Glendale that's hard to get to" which sounds reasonable until you remember that the Coyotes have been for sale a lot in the past and at no point has a smart rich person come along and bought the team, built an arena in a more accessible spot and reaped the rewards.

That's because that wouldn't be a smart business decision. What those people really mean is "The Coyotes would be in better financial shape if someone gave the team a free 500 million dollar arena in downtown Phoenix" which is what passes for smart business analysis in the sports world.

Shoot, I've got a bunch of business ideas that would work if you gave me 500 million dollars.

What can I get for $23 and a pack of sticky notes?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on August 19, 2021, 08:43:03 PM
Why does this team need to exist?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on August 19, 2021, 08:44:29 PM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on August 19, 2021, 07:21:44 PM
Quote from: Nik on August 19, 2021, 05:15:46 PM

Also, I guarantee you'll hear people say things like "The problem isn't that the team is in Arizona, the problem is they built an arena out in Glendale that's hard to get to" which sounds reasonable until you remember that the Coyotes have been for sale a lot in the past and at no point has a smart rich person come along and bought the team, built an arena in a more accessible spot and reaped the rewards.

That's because that wouldn't be a smart business decision. What those people really mean is "The Coyotes would be in better financial shape if someone gave the team a free 500 million dollar arena in downtown Phoenix" which is what passes for smart business analysis in the sports world.

Shoot, I've got a bunch of business ideas that would work if you gave me 500 million dollars.

What can I get for $23 and a pack of sticky notes?

Season tickets to the Coyotes.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Peter D. on August 20, 2021, 12:29:31 AM
I hope this finally puts a nail in the coffin for this piece of shit franchise.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: lamajama on August 20, 2021, 12:42:43 AM
I've attended a few games there while on vacation and the rink complex and shopping/restaurant area is great.

Other than staying in Scottsdale and having to drive 45 min each way sucked but while on vacation not a big deal for a few games....season ticket holder....nope.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on August 20, 2021, 01:25:16 AM
Quote from: Deebo on August 19, 2021, 08:44:29 PM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on August 19, 2021, 07:21:44 PM
Quote from: Nik on August 19, 2021, 05:15:46 PM

Also, I guarantee you'll hear people say things like "The problem isn't that the team is in Arizona, the problem is they built an arena out in Glendale that's hard to get to" which sounds reasonable until you remember that the Coyotes have been for sale a lot in the past and at no point has a smart rich person come along and bought the team, built an arena in a more accessible spot and reaped the rewards.

That's because that wouldn't be a smart business decision. What those people really mean is "The Coyotes would be in better financial shape if someone gave the team a free 500 million dollar arena in downtown Phoenix" which is what passes for smart business analysis in the sports world.

Shoot, I've got a bunch of business ideas that would work if you gave me 500 million dollars.

What can I get for $23 and a pack of sticky notes?

Season tickets to the Coyotes.

Man, I looked at that question for a solid 10 minutes trying to come up with a decent joke and you just come along and do so much better than I could. Well done, sir.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on August 20, 2021, 08:22:32 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on August 19, 2021, 04:16:05 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on August 19, 2021, 04:03:47 PM
Jack Eichel hasn't done himself any favours in the process.  And in turn, hasn't helped Buffalo move him. I get that Buffalo has screwed this up but Eichel comes off like a whiny player that throws a tantrum when he doesn't get his way.

I'm not super eager to defend Eichel's character but I feel like the only time he's (or his agents) really spoken out here have been because of how Buffalo's handled the whole injury/surgery fiasco... and it's tough to blame him there I think.

Correct me if I'm wrong but did he not start speaking out quite a while ago about how unhappy he was in Buffalo with how the team was progressing? I realize that the neck injury thing was a separate situation but it all kind of blends together and doesn't paint the player(or the Sabres) in a very good light IMO.

https://www.si.com/hockey/the-hockey-news/the-jack-eichel-era-is-heading-toward-a-cliff-in-buffalo
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on August 20, 2021, 08:53:07 AM
I can't be too critical of him being frustrated with the lack of progression from the team and how it's being managed. The Sabres organization has been a mess since before he was drafted and is still a mess today. The stupid way they've handled his neck injury just confirms that. It is worth noting, though, that he never asked to be moved pre-injury.

I have no issues with a team's star player venting their frustration with the team's lack of direction. Quite frankly, Eichel might be the only member of the organization that is in a position to criticize. The rest of the organization (including all but a handful of players) have not done their jobs well enough.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on August 20, 2021, 09:20:26 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on August 20, 2021, 08:53:07 AM
I can't be too critical of him being frustrated with the lack of progression from the team and how it's being managed. The Sabres organization has been a mess since before he was drafted and is still a mess today. The stupid way they've handled his neck injury just confirms that. It is worth noting, though, that he never asked to be moved pre-injury.

I have no issues with a team's star player venting their frustration with the team's lack of direction. Quite frankly, Eichel might be the only member of the organization that is in a position to criticize. The rest of the organization (including all but a handful of players) have not done their jobs well enough.

I can't fault him for his frustration either. But, him being critical in public(as the leader of the squad) creates a doubt in the process for the players he's supposed to be leading. Eichel may be in a position performance wise to criticize but not leadership wise IMO. I'd have no issue if Eichel went to Adams or Kreuger or whomever was in charge and voiced frustration. A podcast or media zoom call is a completely different level though. Again, that's in my opinion.

As a manager in my company I have no issues if an employee comes to me and voices frustration in the decisions being made as it gives me a chance to discuss different ideas and evaluate my own choices. Going to the local newspaper or going on Facebook to vent frustration with how I'm managing my business is a different level that I will not look fondly on.

Whether Eichel's intentions were good at the time or for that matter warranted that shouldn't be looked poorly upon, the fact is that perception is a big part of it. And if other organizations view him as a bit of a trouble maker that stomps his feet when he doesn't get away, that will lower his value in their view and their offers will be lower. So, we get what we have now. The organization won't/can't move him. I think that's partly because the other teams know they have no choice. I also think that Eichel's outward attitude in the whole thing(correct or not) is hurting the situation as well.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on August 20, 2021, 10:52:15 AM
https://twitter.com/hlundqvist35/status/1428708803919364105
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on August 20, 2021, 10:59:29 AM
https://twitter.com/strombone1/status/1428727525857976327
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on August 20, 2021, 08:28:22 PM
Quote from: Nik on August 20, 2021, 01:25:16 AM
Quote from: Deebo on August 19, 2021, 08:44:29 PM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on August 19, 2021, 07:21:44 PM
Quote from: Nik on August 19, 2021, 05:15:46 PM

Also, I guarantee you'll hear people say things like "The problem isn't that the team is in Arizona, the problem is they built an arena out in Glendale that's hard to get to" which sounds reasonable until you remember that the Coyotes have been for sale a lot in the past and at no point has a smart rich person come along and bought the team, built an arena in a more accessible spot and reaped the rewards.

That's because that wouldn't be a smart business decision. What those people really mean is "The Coyotes would be in better financial shape if someone gave the team a free 500 million dollar arena in downtown Phoenix" which is what passes for smart business analysis in the sports world.

Shoot, I've got a bunch of business ideas that would work if you gave me 500 million dollars.

What can I get for $23 and a pack of sticky notes?

Season tickets to the Coyotes.

Man, I looked at that question for a solid 10 minutes trying to come up with a decent joke and you just come along and do so much better than I could. Well done, sir.

I can be witty a couple times a year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on August 25, 2021, 09:09:09 AM
https://twitter.com/nostunkelocin/status/1430328602168487938
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on August 25, 2021, 01:31:44 PM
https://twitter.com/TriCityStorm/status/1430568404423938052
Boo, Matthew Knies' team being ugh.

https://twitter.com/hntwrites/status/1430588194429546496
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 25, 2021, 03:28:34 PM
Thankfully it's just Knies' former team now (heading to NCAA).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on August 25, 2021, 06:24:32 PM
https://theathletic.com/news/ushls-tri-city-storm-sign-mitchell-miller-nhl-prospect-convicted-for-bullying/
QuoteAfter the signing Wednesday, Joni Meyer-Crothers told The Athletic that her family has not received an apology from Miller, who was court-ordered to give a written apology.

"We still have no apology, so they can say anything (they want)," she said. "But until he actually is remorseful, we stick to how we feel: It's between him and God.

"We have given this to God. What is in the dark will be brought to light."
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on August 27, 2021, 11:56:14 AM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1431283701464408065
MONTREAL?!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on August 28, 2021, 05:36:45 PM
https://twitter.com/SaraCivian/status/1431731344489521157?s=19

Ummm... What??
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on August 28, 2021, 05:38:40 PM
Tit for tat!

Would've waited for Nick Suzuki instead though

https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1431732347066634241
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on August 28, 2021, 05:42:19 PM
https://twitter.com/saracivian/status/1431733519827492876
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on August 28, 2021, 05:44:34 PM
Quote from: Bender on August 28, 2021, 05:36:45 PM
https://twitter.com/SaraCivian/status/1431731344489521157?s=19

Ummm... What??
https://twitter.com/Canes/status/1431733173864607751
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on August 28, 2021, 05:45:09 PM
Well, someone is definitely overpaying for him. Guess we'll see who.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on August 28, 2021, 05:48:55 PM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1431734836000169986

So petty. Love it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on August 28, 2021, 05:49:17 PM
Sebastian Aho's number as the signing bonus(!!)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on August 28, 2021, 06:06:11 PM
Quote from: herman on August 28, 2021, 05:49:17 PM
Sebastian Aho's number as the signing bonus(!!)
Man it's oozing with spite lol.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on August 28, 2021, 06:44:26 PM
Quote from: Bender on August 28, 2021, 06:06:11 PM
Quote from: herman on August 28, 2021, 05:49:17 PM
Sebastian Aho's number as the signing bonus(!!)
Man it's oozing with spite lol.

https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1431744438842404869
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on August 28, 2021, 06:46:33 PM
Montreal should just take the 1+3 and splash out on Eichel

Or offer sheet Petersson
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on August 28, 2021, 07:09:13 PM
Quote from: herman on August 28, 2021, 06:46:33 PM
Montreal should just take the 1+3 and splash out on Eichel
Man that is kind of a crazy contract for Kotkaniemi. Does he stay RFA? Does anyone think maybe an arbitrator would reduce his cap hit significantly next year if he fails to perform?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on August 28, 2021, 07:20:04 PM
It's a bit like giving a younger, slower Kerfoot 6M.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 28, 2021, 07:20:49 PM
Quote from: Bender on August 28, 2021, 07:09:13 PM
Quote from: herman on August 28, 2021, 06:46:33 PM
Montreal should just take the 1+3 and splash out on Eichel
Man that is kind of a crazy contract for Kotkaniemi. Does he stay RFA? Does anyone think maybe an arbitrator would reduce his cap hit significantly next year if he fails to perform?

If he thinks there's even a chance of that happening he'll just accept his QO right away (assuming he gets one).

I like the spite aspect of this, and I'll always appreciate an offer sheet any time a GM has the guts to use one, but this doesn't seem that smart.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on August 28, 2021, 07:27:46 PM
https://twitter.com/canes/status/1431733973462487050
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 28, 2021, 07:40:46 PM
They seem a little too proud about this one.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on August 28, 2021, 07:47:44 PM
https://twitter.com/pierrevlebrun/status/1431752970190925830
Why
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on August 28, 2021, 07:58:31 PM
I mean I'm all for offer sheets but this kind of petty nonsense seems kind of silly.  Especially coming from the organization that bound itself to D'Angelo.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on August 28, 2021, 08:01:58 PM
Quote from: L K on August 28, 2021, 07:58:31 PM
I mean I'm all for offer sheets but this kind of petty nonsense seems kind of silly.  Especially coming from the organization that bound itself to D'Angelo.
Bunch of jerks.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on August 28, 2021, 09:03:05 PM
Quote from: herman on August 28, 2021, 07:20:04 PM
It's a bit like giving a younger, slower Kerfoot 6M.

It's a terrible contract, for sure. No matter what, this doesn't turn out well for either team, really. Pure pettiness.

So happy the Leafs aren't involved in this, so I can just appreciate the entertainment value.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 28, 2021, 10:02:00 PM
Quote from: herman on August 28, 2021, 07:47:44 PM
https://twitter.com/pierrevlebrun/status/1431752970190925830

The other thing I don't really get is why Dundon even wanted "revenge" for the Aho offer sheet. From what I remember the general consensus in the hockey community was that contract was more than fair for the team and actually prevented a long, dragged out contract negotiation. If Dundon wasn't a typical billionaire egotistical maniac he would have sent Bergevin a thank-you note instead of this awful offer sheet.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on August 28, 2021, 10:59:15 PM
And why Kotkaniemi when Nick Suzuki is like right there next season without Weber LTIR (maybe)?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on August 29, 2021, 01:35:37 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on August 28, 2021, 07:40:46 PM
They seem a little too proud about this one.

True, but the Canes posting in French was a nice touch.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on August 29, 2021, 08:01:41 AM
Quote from: herman on August 28, 2021, 10:59:15 PM
And why Kotkaniemi when Nick Suzuki is like right there next season without Weber LTIR (maybe)?
Maybe they go after him next year? If Montreal accepts they will also have less money next season. Minimum salary is 5.1 then.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on August 29, 2021, 08:14:13 AM
I approve of all the trolling the Canes have done here. Hockey is too dull and this just spiced things up not to mention it really puts the Habs in a bind. Note to Bergevin, this is how you actually offer sheet a player with an unreasonable offer that hurts the original team. The Aho offer sheet was actually good for Carolina. Hope the Habs match and need to do something stupid to fit KK in
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Peter D. on August 30, 2021, 11:21:34 AM
I hope Montreal calls Carolina's bluff and say thanks for the picks and enjoy Kotkaniemi at that price. Stupid offer sheet in my opinion considering it's only for one year, but really not surprising from what was likely precipitated from an idiot owner.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Peter D. on August 30, 2021, 11:26:47 AM
I'll also add that I'm happy to see GMs finally using offer sheets to try and obtain a player. The unwritten rule amongst GMs for years of not signing a player to them was pure b.s. They are another means to make your team better, so why not use them. The whole premise is to try and put the squeeze on the affected team.

The business is cutthroat as it is, yet you're not to use it so it doesn't enact revenge? Big whoop. Especially if such revenge is a stupid offer sheet like this.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on August 30, 2021, 11:39:04 AM
Quote from: Peter D. on August 30, 2021, 11:21:34 AM
I hope Montreal calls Carolina's bluff and say thanks for the picks and enjoy Kotkaniemi at that price. Stupid offer sheet in my opinion considering it's only for one year, but really not surprising from what was likely precipitated from an idiot owner.
It's actually a good offer because it's very hard to match. As for the one year, I think there's an extension on the table.
Had the offer been for 6 years at whatever dollars it would be easier to match. They may overpay for the first year but the extension should be more in line with his true value.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on August 30, 2021, 12:59:29 PM
It's a huge overpay for Kotkaniemi for sure, but for only 1 year, and who knows he's 21 maybe he takes a step and the contract doesn't look as bad next summer.  If not, they've lost a couple of draft picks so it's like blowing them on a bad rental at the deadline. I'm just happy it screws the Habs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on August 30, 2021, 01:46:57 PM
Quote from: Zee on August 30, 2021, 12:59:29 PM
It's a huge overpay for Kotkaniemi for sure, but for only 1 year, and who knows he's 21 maybe he takes a step and the contract doesn't look as bad next summer.  If not, they've lost a couple of draft picks so it's like blowing them on a bad rental at the deadline. I'm just happy it screws the Habs.

That's basically the dilemma the Habs face - if they let him go and he has a breakout year, the optics are no good - they basically gave away a top 6 C when they have no center depth. If they match and he doesn't take that next step, they blew an opportunity to get good value in what is essentially a trade and they either have to qualify him for a lot more than he's worth or they let him go for nothing, because they can't trade him for 12 months.

They either have to hope he doesn't take a step forward (when likely players with better wingers on a better team) or have a ton of faith that he will take that step. Not a fun position for them, at all.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on August 30, 2021, 07:59:39 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on August 30, 2021, 01:46:57 PM
Quote from: Zee on August 30, 2021, 12:59:29 PM
It's a huge overpay for Kotkaniemi for sure, but for only 1 year, and who knows he's 21 maybe he takes a step and the contract doesn't look as bad next summer.  If not, they've lost a couple of draft picks so it's like blowing them on a bad rental at the deadline. I'm just happy it screws the Habs.

That's basically the dilemma the Habs face - if they let him go and he has a breakout year, the optics are no good - they basically gave away a top 6 C when they have no center depth. If they match and he doesn't take that next step, they blew an opportunity to get good value in what is essentially a trade and they either have to qualify him for a lot more than he's worth or they let him go for nothing, because they can't trade him for 12 months.

They either have to hope he doesn't take a step forward (when likely players with better wingers on a better team) or have a ton of faith that he will take that step. Not a fun position for them, at all.
Agreed and Marc Bergevin's a meathead to boot.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Peter D. on August 30, 2021, 10:42:57 PM
I'm viewing this differently — I think this is a no-brainer for Montreal to not match.

Pay him $6.1 million, lose out on a 1st rounder, and then have to overpay him again or risk losing him for free? Let him walk and allow Carolina to overpay him by nearly double what he is worth. Then take that money and picks and use it as currency elsewhere.

Unless the Habs think he is set to seriously break out. But I don't think him being a recent 3rd overall pick (a reach as it was) should have any bearing on the decision (although it certainly will).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on August 30, 2021, 10:44:53 PM
Quote from: Zee on August 30, 2021, 12:59:29 PM
It's a huge overpay for Kotkaniemi for sure, but for only 1 year, and who knows he's 21 maybe he takes a step and the contract doesn't look as bad next summer.  If not, they've lost a couple of draft picks so it's like blowing them on a bad rental at the deadline. I'm just happy it screws the Habs.
I'd like to see how the season shakes out if he doesn't do well and how they would arrive at a contract. Let's say he scores 35 points, what happens then? Kotkaniemi has to know this is a show me contract and won't get it again if he doesn't deliver.

Is Montreal even against the cap? The more I think about it the more I don't see why they wouldn't retain and just eat an extra $2M in dead money or whatever.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on August 31, 2021, 07:36:41 AM
Quote from: Peter D. on August 30, 2021, 10:42:57 PM
I'm viewing this differently — I think this is a no-brainer for Montreal to not match.

Pay him $6.1 million, lose out on a 1st rounder, and then have to overpay him again or risk losing him for free? Let him walk and allow Carolina to overpay him by nearly double what he is worth. Then take that money and picks and use it as currency elsewhere.

Unless the Habs think he is set to seriously break out. But I don't think him being a recent 3rd overall pick (a reach as it was) should have any bearing on the decision (although it certainly will).
Their center "depth" is already suspect as it is. Without KK their own first rounder will be higher than Carolina's (it probably would have been already anyway). This team lost Danault already they're in big trouble if they go into the season with Suzuki and friends as their centre options.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on August 31, 2021, 07:57:26 AM
Quote from: Zee on August 31, 2021, 07:36:41 AM
Quote from: Peter D. on August 30, 2021, 10:42:57 PM
I'm viewing this differently — I think this is a no-brainer for Montreal to not match.

Pay him $6.1 million, lose out on a 1st rounder, and then have to overpay him again or risk losing him for free? Let him walk and allow Carolina to overpay him by nearly double what he is worth. Then take that money and picks and use it as currency elsewhere.

Unless the Habs think he is set to seriously break out. But I don't think him being a recent 3rd overall pick (a reach as it was) should have any bearing on the decision (although it certainly will).
Their center "depth" is already suspect as it is. Without KK their own first rounder will be higher than Carolina's (it probably would have been already anyway). This team lost Danault already they're in big trouble if they go into the season with Suzuki and friends as their centre options.

That is correct, but is there an option for them to get with that money that may produce better C results as well as equal to offensive production? If there is, they need to walk away.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on August 31, 2021, 08:03:33 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on August 31, 2021, 07:57:26 AM
Quote from: Zee on August 31, 2021, 07:36:41 AM
Quote from: Peter D. on August 30, 2021, 10:42:57 PM
I'm viewing this differently — I think this is a no-brainer for Montreal to not match.

Pay him $6.1 million, lose out on a 1st rounder, and then have to overpay him again or risk losing him for free? Let him walk and allow Carolina to overpay him by nearly double what he is worth. Then take that money and picks and use it as currency elsewhere.

Unless the Habs think he is set to seriously break out. But I don't think him being a recent 3rd overall pick (a reach as it was) should have any bearing on the decision (although it certainly will).
Their center "depth" is already suspect as it is. Without KK their own first rounder will be higher than Carolina's (it probably would have been already anyway). This team lost Danault already they're in big trouble if they go into the season with Suzuki and friends as their centre options.

That is correct, but is there an option for them to get with that money that may produce better C results as well as equal to offensive production? If there is, they need to walk away.
They're already at the cap, short of a trade to free up room there's no center coming for any money
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on August 31, 2021, 09:39:46 AM
Quote from: Zee on August 31, 2021, 08:03:33 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on August 31, 2021, 07:57:26 AM
Quote from: Zee on August 31, 2021, 07:36:41 AM
Quote from: Peter D. on August 30, 2021, 10:42:57 PM
I'm viewing this differently — I think this is a no-brainer for Montreal to not match.

Pay him $6.1 million, lose out on a 1st rounder, and then have to overpay him again or risk losing him for free? Let him walk and allow Carolina to overpay him by nearly double what he is worth. Then take that money and picks and use it as currency elsewhere.

Unless the Habs think he is set to seriously break out. But I don't think him being a recent 3rd overall pick (a reach as it was) should have any bearing on the decision (although it certainly will).
Their center "depth" is already suspect as it is. Without KK their own first rounder will be higher than Carolina's (it probably would have been already anyway). This team lost Danault already they're in big trouble if they go into the season with Suzuki and friends as their centre options.

That is correct, but is there an option for them to get with that money that may produce better C results as well as equal to offensive production? If there is, they need to walk away.
They're already at the cap, short of a trade to free up room there's no center coming for any money
They have 5.5 mill with Weber on LTIR and a 22 man roster. If Byron can't go that'll add another 3.4mill.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: louisstamos on August 31, 2021, 09:43:29 AM
Arizona is apparently shopping Christian Dvorak, who is making a reasonable $4.45 mil.  I wonder if the cost to acquire him would be even more than a 1st and a 3rd, though?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on August 31, 2021, 09:53:15 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on August 31, 2021, 09:39:46 AM
Quote from: Zee on August 31, 2021, 08:03:33 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on August 31, 2021, 07:57:26 AM
Quote from: Zee on August 31, 2021, 07:36:41 AM
Quote from: Peter D. on August 30, 2021, 10:42:57 PM
I'm viewing this differently — I think this is a no-brainer for Montreal to not match.

Pay him $6.1 million, lose out on a 1st rounder, and then have to overpay him again or risk losing him for free? Let him walk and allow Carolina to overpay him by nearly double what he is worth. Then take that money and picks and use it as currency elsewhere.

Unless the Habs think he is set to seriously break out. But I don't think him being a recent 3rd overall pick (a reach as it was) should have any bearing on the decision (although it certainly will).
Their center "depth" is already suspect as it is. Without KK their own first rounder will be higher than Carolina's (it probably would have been already anyway). This team lost Danault already they're in big trouble if they go into the season with Suzuki and friends as their centre options.

That is correct, but is there an option for them to get with that money that may produce better C results as well as equal to offensive production? If there is, they need to walk away.
They're already at the cap, short of a trade to free up room there's no center coming for any money
They have 5.5 mill with Weber on LTIR and a 22 man roster. If Byron can't go that'll add another 3.4mill.

They can't just add to the cap though or Weber/Byron will never be able to come off LTIR.  That's why this Kotkaniemi contract is so nice.  I really hope they match and then see what gymnastics are necessary going forward for them to stay under the cap.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 31, 2021, 09:58:41 AM
Weber's definitely out for the season (and probably career) so they won't need to worry about him coming off of LTIR.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on August 31, 2021, 10:41:46 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on August 31, 2021, 09:58:41 AM
Weber's definitely out for the season (and probably career) so they won't need to worry about him coming off of LTIR.

Which is an entirely other issue they have to deal with.  The team is a lot worse without him back there.  Going to be a fun season to be a Habs hater.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 31, 2021, 11:02:42 AM
Quote from: Zee on August 31, 2021, 10:41:46 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on August 31, 2021, 09:58:41 AM
Weber's definitely out for the season (and probably career) so they won't need to worry about him coming off of LTIR.

Which is an entirely other issue they have to deal with.  The team is a lot worse without him back there.  Going to be a fun season to be a Habs hater.

For sure. Weber and Danault are going to be massive losses to the team.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on August 31, 2021, 11:24:50 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on August 31, 2021, 07:57:26 AM
That is correct, but is there an option for them to get with that money that may produce better C results as well as equal to offensive production? If there is, they need to walk away.

UFA market is quite bare at this point, obviously. Best options out there are:

Travis Zajac
Artem Anisimov
Tyler Bozak
Eric Staal
Casey Cziikas
Frans Nielsen

These guys can probably contribute similarly to what Kotkaniemi produced last year, but none of them have any upside, as they're all 30+. Some may have already signed PTOs (Anisimov, for instance, has been seen skating with a number of Red Wings), others maybe part of the contracts the Islanders have, for whatever reason, not announced/filed with the league.

The only real options for them to fill the void if they let him go would be via trade - which potentially includes giving up more assets than what they'd bring in from the offer sheet.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Peter D. on August 31, 2021, 02:58:21 PM
Quote from: Zee on August 31, 2021, 07:36:41 AM
Quote from: Peter D. on August 30, 2021, 10:42:57 PM
I'm viewing this differently — I think this is a no-brainer for Montreal to not match.

Pay him $6.1 million, lose out on a 1st rounder, and then have to overpay him again or risk losing him for free? Let him walk and allow Carolina to overpay him by nearly double what he is worth. Then take that money and picks and use it as currency elsewhere.

Unless the Habs think he is set to seriously break out. But I don't think him being a recent 3rd overall pick (a reach as it was) should have any bearing on the decision (although it certainly will).
Their center "depth" is already suspect as it is. Without KK their own first rounder will be higher than Carolina's (it probably would have been already anyway). This team lost Danault already they're in big trouble if they go into the season with Suzuki and friends as their centre options.

I get this.  Just that paying a guy $6.1 million when he likely would have signed for $2.5 to $3.5 million seems excessive.  Of course, as I had mentioned, unless they think he is set to take the next step in becoming a 2nd line, 60 to 70-point centre this year.  If not, I'm sure they could cobble some pieces together to fill the centre void with that money saved they aren't paying.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on August 31, 2021, 03:16:50 PM
https://twitter.com/NHL_Watcher/status/1432778668674326529
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on August 31, 2021, 04:20:29 PM
It's not NHL really but not sure where to put it, but there's a very enjoyable documentary on Netflix about the UHL Danbury Trashers.

"Untold: Crime and Penalties".

Worth seeking out for the pure madness.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on August 31, 2021, 06:19:17 PM
https://twitter.com/ersa_tz/status/1432756879059345408
Pretty sure he (and the Oilers) didn't agree to this, but they must've thought there was a chance
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on September 02, 2021, 12:24:00 PM
https://www.tsn.ca/st-louis-blues-colton-parayko-1.1688624

Well, there goes that option.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on September 02, 2021, 02:57:08 PM
Logan Maillloux has been suspended by the OHL through January 1st.  He's eligible to apply for re-entry after this date but not before.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on September 02, 2021, 03:27:37 PM
Quote from: L K on September 02, 2021, 02:57:08 PM
Logan Maillloux has been suspended by the OHL through January 1st.  He's eligible to apply for re-entry after this date but not before.

So, he starts the year with the Habs then? ;D
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on September 02, 2021, 04:06:23 PM
https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/1433493366919110657
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 02, 2021, 04:27:06 PM
https://twitter.com/saucyrockets/status/1433494665148477444
I can't tell if that was parody or not
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 03, 2021, 10:17:54 AM
This is becoming a little more normal nowadays but we're less than 3 weeks from training camps opening and there's still a number of significant RFAs without contracts: Kaprizov, Pettersson, Hughes, Tkachuk, Dahlin.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on September 03, 2021, 10:28:23 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on September 02, 2021, 04:06:23 PM
https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/1433493366919110657

Lou is old school...with the second largest team of analytics people in the league.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 03, 2021, 10:29:00 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on September 03, 2021, 10:17:54 AM
This is becoming a little more normal nowadays but we're less than 3 weeks from training camps opening and there's still a number of significant RFAs without contracts: Kaprizov, Pettersson, Hughes, Tkachuk, Dahlin.

If Seattle doesn't offer sheet Hughes/Pettersson... we riot, right?
Sheet Hughes, like 8.1 AAV x 5; VAN matches (they have to! also no space!), and after they sort that out, sheet Pettersson to whatever he'd sign. Done.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 03, 2021, 11:20:30 AM
https://twitter.com/mayorNHL/status/1433802766590177284
You can do Olympics!

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1433567532041097222
But you have to participate in the NHL
You can remain unvaccinated, but then you'd miss mandatory NHL team events and requirements, and thus not participate in the NHL
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on September 03, 2021, 03:10:22 PM
Still some interesting depth options for teams, mostly at forward positions...

https://www.tsn.ca/yost-sorting-through-the-skaters-left-in-nhl-free-agency-1.1689272

I'm a little surprised that some of these guys haven't signed yet.

Chara?  Galchenyuk!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on September 03, 2021, 04:42:25 PM
https://twitter.com/russohockey/status/1433564996773072896

If unvaccinated and you get sick, you don't get paid. Giddy up.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on September 04, 2021, 10:10:23 AM
Quote from: Frank E on September 03, 2021, 03:10:22 PM
Still some interesting depth options for teams, mostly at forward positions...

https://www.tsn.ca/yost-sorting-through-the-skaters-left-in-nhl-free-agency-1.1689272

I'm a little surprised that some of these guys haven't signed yet.

Chara?  Galchenyuk!

A number of them will end up with PTOs, but with most of those names being 35+ and declining, I'm not super surprised they're still available in a flat cap league.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 04, 2021, 10:57:53 AM
https://twitter.com/SaraCivian/status/1434157867830063104
Deadline Day, for which I dearly hope some Montreal front office staff had to cut vacations short to address.

EDIT: 5:30 pm EDT
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on September 04, 2021, 11:16:16 AM
This really does seem like a cut a dry let them sign him.  6.1 is just a bad contract for Kotkaniemi.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 04, 2021, 05:46:42 PM
https://twitter.com/canes/status/1434264952689278982
I'm also very pleased that Bob is okay from his recent health scare.

https://twitter.com/canes/status/1434273579177332736
This is a Mortal Kombat fatality move as far as I'm concerned
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 04, 2021, 06:18:04 PM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1434278267830382597

Edit: done deal for 1st (higher one) + 2nd
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on September 05, 2021, 01:37:41 PM
This whole situation is so weird. I know we all laughed at the canes trolling of the canadiens. But this was a really stupid move for Carolina. They way overpaid for an ok player and lost a first and second round draft pick.

That's a lot to pay for a revenge joke.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 05, 2021, 01:50:38 PM
You could see it as a 4M contract and some overhead for poaching a very young top-10 pick. Headhunting in any other industry involved a bit of overpay to get the talent into your org. The Hurricanes can re-sign him thereafter to an extension with more term and a more commensurate cap hit (4.5x6 for example). Anyway the point of going that high was to pressure Montreal into letting Kotkaniemi go, not necessarily because he's worth 6M.

Contrast the Aho offer sheet, which was the right price for the talent but too easy to match.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on September 05, 2021, 05:09:47 PM
Sorry I'm not following. How can you look at it as a 4m contract?

And also isn't he an RFA after this contract? Aren't they bound by an offer that can't be less than his last contract? I think the only way he makes less than 6mil is if he's not qualified and then becomes a UFA and then Carolina can't sign him.

Unless I'm misunderstanding how that works.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on September 05, 2021, 05:15:49 PM
They have to qualify him at $6.1M to retain his rights. They can agree to a contract at whatever amount.

Also, I'm not sure they can't sign him if they don't qualify him. I think that only applies to buy outs and walking away from an arbitration result.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 05, 2021, 11:27:49 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on September 05, 2021, 05:09:47 PM
Sorry I'm not following. How can you look at it as a 4m contract?

And also isn't he an RFA after this contract? Aren't they bound by an offer that can't be less than his last contract? I think the only way he makes less than 6mil is if he's not qualified and then becomes a UFA and then Carolina can't sign him.

Unless I'm misunderstanding how that works.

All I'm saying is the 6.1M is understood to not be his performance value. Whatever number you think he should be (it's closer to 2M) for his performance last season, the difference is the cost to force Montreal's hand.

The QO number is something Kotkaniemi could force from whoever controlled his rights hereafter, but it'd be contentious short term/arbitrator situations until UFA if they go that route (Trouba). He is also eligible to sign an extension Jan 1 for whatever number they agree to. Friedman is already 'speculating' out loud that they'll return him to a more normal number over longer term. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 06, 2021, 01:10:13 PM
The bigger overpay is Dvorak for a first + second. Not that Montreal would've done anything of note with those picks anyway.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 06, 2021, 01:47:11 PM
Quote from: herman on September 04, 2021, 10:57:53 AM
Deadline Day, for which I dearly hope some Montreal front office staff had to cut vacations short to address.

https://twitter.com/arponbasu/status/1434930532698050564
Yessss
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on September 06, 2021, 05:11:19 PM
Where is he going on vacation where he can't make the 2 phone calls and couple of emails it would take to complete this? The moon?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 10, 2021, 02:09:04 PM
https://twitter.com/scottcwheeler/status/1436389072881262597

I still can't get over how bad their goaltending is going to be. Aaron Dell and Craig Anderson. These two played a combined 11 games last season. Has there been a worse goaltending duo in the cap era?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on September 10, 2021, 02:15:23 PM
Buffalo is gearing up to challenge the 74-75 Capitals' record. Or, at the very least, the 92-93 Sens and Sharks.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 10, 2021, 02:16:28 PM
Buffalo vs Arizona games are going to be must-watch
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 13, 2021, 11:59:46 AM
https://twitter.com/Aportzline/status/1437442782151446539
https://twitter.com/Aportzline/status/1437446416872484879
This is a very narrow labour market to self-select out of.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on September 13, 2021, 12:17:10 PM
What's a team going to do if one of their high paid stars refuses the vaccine?  There has to be some dumb asses out there in the NHLPA...I know the Leafs already said everyone will be vaxxed, I want to see someone on another team refuse just to see the fall out.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 13, 2021, 12:27:15 PM
Quote from: Zee on September 13, 2021, 12:17:10 PM
What's a team going to do if one of their high paid stars refuses the vaccine?  There has to be some dumb asses out there in the NHLPA...I know the Leafs already said everyone will be vaxxed, I want to see someone on another team refuse just to see the fall out.

Hockey culture is pretty obstinate. "Fall in line, for the good of the team", which we'd normally find bland, might actually be what pushes the NHL to be more highly vaccinated than most sports. The COVID policy is really quite a good template for other industries to follow, really pigeonholing the anti-vaxxers into extreme inconvenience.

In the dressing room, can you imagine a player saying he'd rather go through tests every 72 hours, no dining with comrades, no leaving the house at home or being completely segregated on the road (including all the maintenance stuff on body/equipment) and significantly inconveniencing the staff that assist you? I think he might last about 3 days before relenting, and at that point, there's another period of waiting for the second dose.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 13, 2021, 12:48:30 PM
Quote from: herman on September 13, 2021, 11:59:46 AM
https://twitter.com/Aportzline/status/1437442782151446539
https://twitter.com/Aportzline/status/1437446416872484879
This is a very narrow labour market to self-select out of.

https://twitter.com/Aportzline/status/1437450551998963712
Ah, not a self-selection, by the strictest of definitions

Quote"We had to part ways with him because he couldn't do his job. We need a coach," Blue Jackets general manager Jarmo Kekalainen said. "If you're not vaccinated, you're not allowed within 12 feet of the players. You can't do your job as a coach. He couldn't be in the locker room, couldn't be in the coaches' room, couldn't be on the bench, couldn't be on the plane with us...we need a coach."
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on September 13, 2021, 12:52:10 PM
Quote from: herman on September 13, 2021, 12:27:15 PM
Quote from: Zee on September 13, 2021, 12:17:10 PM
What's a team going to do if one of their high paid stars refuses the vaccine?  There has to be some dumb asses out there in the NHLPA...I know the Leafs already said everyone will be vaxxed, I want to see someone on another team refuse just to see the fall out.

Hockey culture is pretty obstinate. "Fall in line, for the good of the team", which we'd normally find bland, might actually be what pushes the NHL to be more highly vaccinated than most sports. The COVID policy is really quite a good template for other industries to follow, really pigeonholing the anti-vaxxers into extreme inconvenience.

In the dressing room, can you imagine a player saying he'd rather go through tests every 72 hours, no dining with comrades, no leaving the house at home or being completely segregated on the road (including all the maintenance stuff on body/equipment) and significantly inconveniencing the staff that assist you? I think he might last about 3 days before relenting, and at that point, there's another period of waiting for the second dose.

Tony DeAngelo step right up!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on September 14, 2021, 08:16:53 AM
Quote from: herman on September 13, 2021, 12:48:30 PM
Quote from: herman on September 13, 2021, 11:59:46 AM
https://twitter.com/Aportzline/status/1437442782151446539
https://twitter.com/Aportzline/status/1437446416872484879
This is a very narrow labour market to self-select out of.

https://twitter.com/Aportzline/status/1437450551998963712
Ah, not a self-selection, by the strictest of definitions

Quote"We had to part ways with him because he couldn't do his job. We need a coach," Blue Jackets general manager Jarmo Kekalainen said. "If you're not vaccinated, you're not allowed within 12 feet of the players. You can't do your job as a coach. He couldn't be in the locker room, couldn't be in the coaches' room, couldn't be on the bench, couldn't be on the plane with us...we need a coach."
Is there an employment version of the Herman Cain Award?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 14, 2021, 01:04:14 PM
https://twitter.com/Canes/status/1437816596072960018

:o
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 14, 2021, 02:10:29 PM
No comment yet from NYRFan92360244
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 16, 2021, 07:06:47 PM
Quote from: herman on September 13, 2021, 12:27:15 PM
Quote from: Zee on September 13, 2021, 12:17:10 PM
What's a team going to do if one of their high paid stars refuses the vaccine?  There has to be some dumb asses out there in the NHLPA...I know the Leafs already said everyone will be vaxxed, I want to see someone on another team refuse just to see the fall out.

Hockey culture is pretty obstinate. "Fall in line, for the good of the team", which we'd normally find bland, might actually be what pushes the NHL to be more highly vaccinated than most sports. The COVID policy is really quite a good template for other industries to follow, really pigeonholing the anti-vaxxers into extreme inconvenience.

In the dressing room, can you imagine a player saying he'd rather go through tests every 72 hours, no dining with comrades, no leaving the house at home or being completely segregated on the road (including all the maintenance stuff on body/equipment) and significantly inconveniencing the staff that assist you? I think he might last about 3 days before relenting, and at that point, there's another period of waiting for the second dose.

https://twitter.com/marklazerus/status/1438629065108381702
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on September 16, 2021, 08:57:03 PM
Quote from: herman on September 16, 2021, 07:06:47 PM
Quote from: herman on September 13, 2021, 12:27:15 PM
Quote from: Zee on September 13, 2021, 12:17:10 PM
What's a team going to do if one of their high paid stars refuses the vaccine?  There has to be some dumb asses out there in the NHLPA...I know the Leafs already said everyone will be vaxxed, I want to see someone on another team refuse just to see the fall out.

Hockey culture is pretty obstinate. "Fall in line, for the good of the team", which we'd normally find bland, might actually be what pushes the NHL to be more highly vaccinated than most sports. The COVID policy is really quite a good template for other industries to follow, really pigeonholing the anti-vaxxers into extreme inconvenience.

In the dressing room, can you imagine a player saying he'd rather go through tests every 72 hours, no dining with comrades, no leaving the house at home or being completely segregated on the road (including all the maintenance stuff on body/equipment) and significantly inconveniencing the staff that assist you? I think he might last about 3 days before relenting, and at that point, there's another period of waiting for the second dose.

https://twitter.com/marklazerus/status/1438629065108381702

The sad thing is that 99% vaccinated or better is not the norm.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on September 16, 2021, 10:47:28 PM
Quote from: princedpw on September 16, 2021, 08:57:03 PM
Quote from: herman on September 16, 2021, 07:06:47 PM
Quote from: herman on September 13, 2021, 12:27:15 PM
Quote from: Zee on September 13, 2021, 12:17:10 PM
What's a team going to do if one of their high paid stars refuses the vaccine?  There has to be some dumb asses out there in the NHLPA...I know the Leafs already said everyone will be vaxxed, I want to see someone on another team refuse just to see the fall out.

Hockey culture is pretty obstinate. "Fall in line, for the good of the team", which we'd normally find bland, might actually be what pushes the NHL to be more highly vaccinated than most sports. The COVID policy is really quite a good template for other industries to follow, really pigeonholing the anti-vaxxers into extreme inconvenience.

In the dressing room, can you imagine a player saying he'd rather go through tests every 72 hours, no dining with comrades, no leaving the house at home or being completely segregated on the road (including all the maintenance stuff on body/equipment) and significantly inconveniencing the staff that assist you? I think he might last about 3 days before relenting, and at that point, there's another period of waiting for the second dose.

https://twitter.com/marklazerus/status/1438629065108381702

The sad thing is that 99% vaccinated or better is not the norm.
I mean, getting paid millions of dollars could nudge a few people back in line [emoji846]
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 17, 2021, 10:57:27 AM
Meanwhile, from the team we definitely expected this from
https://twitter.com/macklamoureux/status/1438868794680635397
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on September 19, 2021, 11:45:14 PM
Quote from: herman on September 17, 2021, 10:57:27 AM
Meanwhile, from the team we definitely expected this from
https://twitter.com/macklamoureux/status/1438868794680635397
I'm so, so tired of takes like this.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on September 20, 2021, 12:20:34 PM

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/32240127/arizona-coyotes-bring-back-kachina-coyote-primary-logo (https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/32240127/arizona-coyotes-bring-back-kachina-coyote-primary-logo)

I approve of this. If you're going to be goofy team in the middle of the desert, embrace it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on September 20, 2021, 01:50:54 PM
That logo always reminded me of the coyote that spoke to homer when he was having his hot pepper vision.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on September 20, 2021, 01:54:52 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on September 20, 2021, 01:50:54 PM
That logo always reminded me of the coyote that spoke to homer when he was having his hot pepper vision.

Well, that's why I think it was always a legitimately cool logo. It was very authentic to that particular southwestern art style that the Simpsons probably took their inspiration from too.  It was weird and location-specific. It would be cool if more logos were like it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 21, 2021, 01:09:21 PM
https://twitter.com/alisonl/status/1440361599336804355
I have a follow up question

https://twitter.com/alisonl/status/1440361714147463179
Ah
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 21, 2021, 01:12:59 PM
"Zach's personal choices are dangerous and reckless and we don't want that type of person near our NHL team. Instead he'll mentor our prospects."
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on September 21, 2021, 02:38:42 PM

I think it's really terrific how for years a player would get labelled selfish and not a team guy if he asked for too much money or celebrated a goal too much or read books or slept in or had a weird hair cut or wanted to wear an unconventional jersey number or had a beard or objected to being hazed but the second it's a good ol' boy making a decision that could quite literally harm his teammates the league is like "Well, what are you going to do? Personal choice is sacrosanct".
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 21, 2021, 05:55:47 PM
https://twitter.com/swhyno/status/1440413985631719429
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on September 21, 2021, 06:48:51 PM
Quote from: herman on September 21, 2021, 05:55:47 PM
https://twitter.com/swhyno/status/1440413985631719429

Plot twist - it's Barzal. ;D
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Highlander on September 21, 2021, 07:26:05 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on September 20, 2021, 01:50:54 PM
That logo always reminded me of the coyote that spoke to homer when he was having his hot pepper vision.
Or the wolf that spoke about the universe on my last peyote trip.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on September 21, 2021, 11:33:54 PM
So... Galchenyuk held out so he could be a PTO in Arizona? Really?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 22, 2021, 09:12:22 AM
Quote from: https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/32-thoughts-state-rfa-market-training-camps-open/
1. I know there's a craving for Jack Eichel information. One longtime executive said this week "this is the most complicated situation I've seen" during his professional existence. (He's not involved, but, obviously, everyone's talking about it.) This is what I'm expecting over the next few days: Eichel comes to camp, but does not pass his physical and is not cleared to play. I also think there's a very good chance Buffalo removes his captaincy. What I don't know is if they've settled the medical path.

I heard there were some trade talks a couple of weeks ago, but I think people want to see what the doctors say. As you can expect, there is a ton of frustration. Eichel was hoping to be recovered from disc surgery by now, and, another player said not to underestimate what playing in the Olympics would mean to him. But the Sabres are unhappy too, with the promise of the "Eichel era" completely dissipated and hard feelings about how things fell apart. Really a shame for everyone involved.

I'm genuinely stunned how the PA hasn't done more for Eichel here. The Sabres are basically refusing to let him get medical treatment because he requested a trade.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on September 22, 2021, 09:20:50 AM

Never underestimate just how angry it makes the sort of people who own and run hockey teams to be presented with the idea that there should actually be consequences for their own incompetence.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 22, 2021, 12:50:55 PM
https://twitter.com/m_bultman/status/1440716409768579078
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on September 22, 2021, 12:51:18 PM
https://twitter.com/TheHockeyNews/status/1440705436286537732

I don't know, seems kind of bad.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 22, 2021, 12:53:15 PM
Quote from: Nik on September 22, 2021, 12:51:18 PM
https://twitter.com/TheHockeyNews/status/1440705436286537732

I don't know, seems kind of bad.

Boy I'd sure love to see his teammate Josh Archibald try to explain to Stalock why Covid is actually a plandemic.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 23, 2021, 10:06:15 AM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1441030319235379201
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on September 23, 2021, 10:11:31 AM
Quote from: herman on September 23, 2021, 10:06:15 AM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1441030319235379201

I read a write up on this earlier this morning. Who's on the hook for Eichel's salary if he refuses the recommended treatment of the team(considering they now have last say on treatment)?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on September 23, 2021, 10:41:36 AM
Quote from: herman on September 23, 2021, 10:06:15 AM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1441030319235379201

This is how a well functioning team works!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on September 23, 2021, 11:43:32 AM
"I spoke to Jack two days ago, I spoke to the team yesterday and addressed this, Jack Eichel is no longer the captain of the Buffalo Sabres," Adams said. "From our perspective, the captain is your heartbeat of your team, and we are in a situation where we felt we needed to make that decision."

Adams added the Sabres will not have a captain this season.

Adams is being more candid than he knew....
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 23, 2021, 12:27:59 PM
https://twitter.com/RTaub_/status/1441072852078403589
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 23, 2021, 12:49:50 PM
Lou's about to make sure this guy is never heard of again.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bill_Berg_is_sad on September 23, 2021, 12:53:52 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on September 23, 2021, 12:49:50 PM
Lou's about to make sure this guy is never heard of again.

All good, he's probably mad Lou is infringing on his right to grow a beard anyway.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 23, 2021, 01:13:00 PM
https://twitter.com/BuffaloVogl/status/1441077100107247635
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 23, 2021, 02:10:59 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on September 23, 2021, 12:49:50 PM
Lou's about to make sure this guy is never heard of again.

He has since locked Twitter and Instagram accounts lol
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 23, 2021, 02:12:51 PM
Quote from: herman on September 23, 2021, 02:10:59 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on September 23, 2021, 12:49:50 PM
Lou's about to make sure this guy is never heard of again.

He has since locked Twitter and Instagram accounts lol

Yeah, "he" did that.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on September 24, 2021, 11:18:33 AM
https://twitter.com/seanshapiro/status/1441372225546842120

If this ends up being the extent of it, I'm okay with it. I suspect it might just be the beginning, though, and that concerns me.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on September 24, 2021, 12:43:33 PM
Tough to say where it will go. Ads will be costly and really only available to larger corps that can afford it. I imagine they'd be willing to pay a premium to be the only ad on a jersey. I think lower leagues will take whatever they can get.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on September 24, 2021, 01:55:29 PM

The presence of ads doesn't devastate me or anything but it is quite a thing to see in recent years just to what extent sports leagues have jumped into this embrace with sports gambling businesses.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 24, 2021, 03:46:29 PM
Quote from: Nik on September 20, 2021, 12:20:34 PM

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/32240127/arizona-coyotes-bring-back-kachina-coyote-primary-logo (https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/32240127/arizona-coyotes-bring-back-kachina-coyote-primary-logo)

I approve of this. If you're going to be goofy team in the middle of the desert, embrace it.

https://twitter.com/ArizonaCoyotes/status/1441451693120524291
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on September 24, 2021, 09:44:24 PM
https://twitter.com/walsha/status/1441572259903070209

Man, I'd love to see a lasting crackdown on cross-checking.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on September 25, 2021, 11:32:07 AM
For sure. It seems like such an obvious penalty to call.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 28, 2021, 02:02:41 PM
https://twitter.com/NYRFan92360244/status/1442906021345710082
I love this account so much.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 28, 2021, 02:57:39 PM
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1442924604721274880

Three of the unvaccinated NHLers (Bertuzzi, Blackwood, and Rinaldo) are all represented by the same player agent, Todd Reynolds. Some might remember Reynolds as being the guy who called public support of gay marriage "misguided" and declared that "it will always be wrong".
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on September 30, 2021, 10:32:08 AM

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/32311451/arizona-coyotes-only-nhl-team-relax-dress-code-players-according-espn-survey (https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/32311451/arizona-coyotes-only-nhl-team-relax-dress-code-players-according-espn-survey)

The NHL is thinking of relaxing its dress code for players. In other news, the NHL has a dress code for players. Why? Who cares?

Our very own Auston Matthews is quoted as one of the guys who'd like to be a little freer to dress to his own style.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on September 30, 2021, 10:57:14 AM
So ridiculous. The NHL truly is out of touch in many ways.

Out of touch with what the players and fans want and out of touch with society in general?

I'm 43 (so, not old, not young) and when I see someone in a suit, I don't think "man, I respect that guy! He's truly a professional. I want to buy a house off him." It's all about context. I haven't worn a tie in a few years now.

Would I want to see my MPs showing up to parliament in track suits and yoga pants? No. But why would I want my professional athletes showing up to the rink in suit and tie? The worst is putting that suit and tie back on AFTER the game. That must really suck. I picture guys getting cortisone shots just so they can slip on their jackets.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on September 30, 2021, 11:06:14 AM
Yeah. As long as their not wearing clothing that has offensive imagery/messaging/etc., they should be allowed to wear whatever they feel comfortable in. They don't need to look like they're showing up for a long day at the bank.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on September 30, 2021, 11:07:32 AM
Quote from: Nik on September 30, 2021, 10:32:08 AM

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/32311451/arizona-coyotes-only-nhl-team-relax-dress-code-players-according-espn-survey (https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/32311451/arizona-coyotes-only-nhl-team-relax-dress-code-players-according-espn-survey)

The NHL is thinking of relaxing its dress code for players. In other news, the NHL has a dress code for players. Why? Who cares?

Our very own Auston Matthews is quoted as one of the guys who'd like to be a little freer to dress to his own style.

I think there should be a dress code. I don't think it should be overly strict. But I don't think it looks good on the NHL if players come walking in wearing political statements (Make America Great Again) or looking like complete slobs in joggers and a ripped tee shirt.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on September 30, 2021, 11:13:53 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on September 30, 2021, 11:07:32 AM
I think there should be a dress code. I don't think it should be overly strict. But I don't think it looks good on the NHL if players come walking in wearing political statements (Make America Great Again) or looking like complete slobs in joggers and a ripped tee shirt.

It strikes me as a little unlikely that a player would show up in ripped clothes(unless they were pre-ripped for fashion purposes) but I guess I'm still of the opinion that I have no idea how, say, Baseball players show up dressed for games because for the most part I'm not terribly interested in these guys outside of what they do while wearing uniforms.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on September 30, 2021, 11:15:31 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on September 30, 2021, 11:07:32 AM
I think there should be a dress code. I don't think it should be overly strict. But I don't think it looks good on the NHL if players come walking in wearing political statements (Make America Great Again) or looking like complete slobs in joggers and a ripped tee shirt.

I mean, I think that's just basic professionalism - don't show obvious support for a political movement/party (with an exception for supporting causes like today's orange shirt day, mental health awareness, etc.), and don't wear anything you wouldn't wear in public. I don't think that needs to be codified.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on September 30, 2021, 11:31:07 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on September 30, 2021, 11:15:31 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on September 30, 2021, 11:07:32 AM
I think there should be a dress code. I don't think it should be overly strict. But I don't think it looks good on the NHL if players come walking in wearing political statements (Make America Great Again) or looking like complete slobs in joggers and a ripped tee shirt.

I mean, I think that's just basic professionalism - don't show obvious support for a political movement/party (with an exception for supporting causes like today's orange shirt day, mental health awareness, etc.), and don't wear anything you wouldn't wear in public. I don't think that needs to be codified.

Well, you would think that could be expected in just about every profession out there, but it isn't. If you don't write it down for some people, they just don't see errors in their ways.
I see behaviour of a player on social media or in public as requiring a certain amount of professionalism, yet we see often that it's not the case. Why would we expect them to behave differently when it comes to dressing for a game?



BTW, when I say I believe in a dress code, but not a strict one, I'm basically saying the same thing as you. Dress in a professional manner and don't be an embarrassment. Unfortunately, if it's not written down, someone is going to make an a$$ of you or your organization
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on September 30, 2021, 11:57:17 AM
https://twitter.com/DetroitRedWings/status/1443603653768646669

Detroit's going to be even worse than expected.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on September 30, 2021, 01:20:28 PM
I get wanting guys to be professional in how they dress but yeah the concept of clean shaven, short hair, no sideburns and a suit is such a stupid tradition in hockey.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on September 30, 2021, 02:39:18 PM
Quote from: L K on September 30, 2021, 01:20:28 PM
I get wanting guys to be professional in how they dress but yeah the concept of clean shaven, short hair, no sideburns and a suit is such a stupid tradition in hockey.

I told you Mattingly, no sideburns!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on September 30, 2021, 03:44:55 PM

I think it's fine for a team to have policies on dress or behaviour or what have you, I just don't think it should be codified league-wide so that a team doesn't have to deal with the consequences of perhaps not having a policy that players appreciate. If Lou Lamoriello wants everyone to dress like they stepped out of a Sears Menswear Catalogue in 1964, fine, but players should be able to then say "Eh, maybe I'll go somewhere that priotizes what I do on the ice and not how I look walking to the rink".
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on September 30, 2021, 06:26:53 PM
Quote from: Nik on September 30, 2021, 03:44:55 PM

I think it's fine for a team to have policies on dress or behaviour or what have you, I just don't think it should be codified league-wide so that a team doesn't have to deal with the consequences of perhaps not having a policy that players appreciate. If Lou Lamoriello wants everyone to dress like they stepped out of a Sears Menswear Catalogue in 1964, fine, but players should be able to then say "Eh, maybe I'll go somewhere that priotizes what I do on the ice and not how I look walking to the rink".

It should definitely be based on a team by team basis. I still don't think we see a league where the NHL says "do what ever you want" to the teams.
I've never really been bothered by the suits and ties, though I did grow up in the culture that required we wore a collared shirt and tie to games when I played. That said, I do think it's ridiculous now when I see 13 year old players wearing full suits to hockey games. What about the kids that are barely scraping by to play AAA hockey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 01, 2021, 09:11:57 AM
https://twitter.com/capfriendly/status/1443924221797752833
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 01, 2021, 02:48:36 PM
https://twitter.com/tsnryanrishaug/status/1444009774400430082
https://twitter.com/reidwilkins/status/1444007536458272768
(https://c.tenor.com/87__ss7n4fsAAAAC/stop-cut-it-off.gif)

Reporters ought to ask these guys how they felt a couple days after taking the vaccine. Is it stopping them from playing at their level? It could go a long way to helping other fence sitters get protected and in turn protect their loved ones and everyone else.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 01, 2021, 03:32:26 PM
I for one am shocked that somebody who ignores a teammate getting sexually assaulted would have questionable opinions.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on October 02, 2021, 05:12:59 AM
Quote from: herman on October 01, 2021, 09:11:57 AM
https://twitter.com/capfriendly/status/1443924221797752833

This is a thing?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 02, 2021, 08:59:56 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on October 02, 2021, 05:12:59 AM
Quote from: herman on October 01, 2021, 09:11:57 AM
https://twitter.com/capfriendly/status/1443924221797752833

This is a thing?

It's an accommodation. As far as I could tell, no one invoked it to toll their salary to next year.

Hamonic (Vancouver) is an edge case where he contemplated retirement (just after signing a new deal there) because he doesn't want to be vaccinated.

https://twitter.com/canuckspr/status/1444102011650150401
No idea what this actually means.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on October 02, 2021, 12:06:17 PM
Quote from: herman on October 02, 2021, 08:59:56 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on October 02, 2021, 05:12:59 AM
Quote from: herman on October 01, 2021, 09:11:57 AM
https://twitter.com/capfriendly/status/1443924221797752833

This is a thing?

It's an accommodation. As far as I could tell, no one invoked it to toll their salary to next year.

Hamonic (Vancouver) is an edge case where he contemplated retirement (just after signing a new deal there) because he doesn't want to be vaccinated.

https://twitter.com/canuckspr/status/1444102011650150401
No idea what this actually means.
He doesn't want to be vaxxed but he wants to get paid.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on October 02, 2021, 12:35:21 PM
Quote from: Bender on October 02, 2021, 12:06:17 PM
He doesn't want to be vaxxed but he wants to get paid.

100%.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on October 02, 2021, 01:39:16 PM
https://twitter.com/timothycsimons/status/1444103545322491904
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on October 02, 2021, 02:55:53 PM
https://twitter.com/PARaidersHockey/status/1444096398023081986

Uh, guys, a couple notes...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on October 02, 2021, 03:30:04 PM
I'm not even sure how I'm supposed to react. I feel like laughing.

Can I laugh? Like, at the absurdity?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 02, 2021, 04:22:23 PM
What on earth...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 02, 2021, 05:09:18 PM
I can't believe they'd put my name on this
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on October 02, 2021, 09:28:27 PM
And yet, there is this team in Chicago....

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Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on October 02, 2021, 11:41:15 PM

So, Robin Lehner is making some pretty serious accusations on twitter about teams and the drugs they give players. If it's true it's a pretty shaky look for the league.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on October 03, 2021, 12:00:51 AM
https://twitter.com/jeffmarek/status/1444497637466677248
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 03, 2021, 01:55:04 AM
I was wondering how this jersey could've passed through so many iterations and checkpoints and sign offs and still saw the light of day with nary an 'uhhhhhhhhh'. And it turns out...

https://saskatoon.ctvnews.ca/prince-albert-raiders-unveil-new-mascot-stir-public-controversy-1.2108421
No strangers to this exact issue, eh? 2014
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on October 03, 2021, 10:50:45 AM
More high quality news for the NHL as the use of Ambien and Benzo's is rampant and supposedly were being given to Nolan Patrick without even telling him what they were giving him.  Lehner opined on it.

This has been a stellar off-season for hockey
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 03, 2021, 03:49:45 PM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1444742384076611587
He was also the Oiler that refused vaccination.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on October 04, 2021, 01:06:07 PM
Quote from: L K on October 03, 2021, 10:50:45 AM
More high quality news for the NHL as the use of Ambien and Benzo's is rampant and supposedly were being given to Nolan Patrick without even telling him what they were giving him.  Lehner opined on it.

This has been a stellar off-season for hockey

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nhl-request-meeting-robin-lehner-173014117.html
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 04, 2021, 01:12:17 PM
Quote from: L K on October 03, 2021, 10:50:45 AM
More high quality news for the NHL as the use of Ambien and Benzo's is rampant and supposedly were being given to Nolan Patrick without even telling him what they were giving him.  Lehner opined on it.

This has been a stellar off-season for hockey

Just for the record, Lehner never said anything about Nolan Patrick. That story came from some no name twitter "journalist" who has since recanted it. It should distract from what Lehner said but the NP stuff always seemed questionable considering the source.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on October 04, 2021, 01:26:11 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on October 04, 2021, 01:12:17 PM
Quote from: L K on October 03, 2021, 10:50:45 AM
More high quality news for the NHL as the use of Ambien and Benzo's is rampant and supposedly were being given to Nolan Patrick without even telling him what they were giving him.  Lehner opined on it.

This has been a stellar off-season for hockey

Just for the record, Lehner never said anything about Nolan Patrick. That story came from some no name twitter "journalist" who has since recanted it. It should distract from what Lehner said but the NP stuff always seemed questionable considering the source.

This sort of thing is why I've learned to sort of let these allegations play out a little bit until there's been a little more research than reading a tweet from some guy.

These days of using social media for your news lends to people racing in tweeting out their outrage before anyone has done any real checking to see if any of it is valid.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2021, 02:09:14 PM
https://twitter.com/BuffaloVogl/status/1445812326645604354

Remember when we were kinda bummed we lost Aaron Dell on waivers? Now he can't even get a spot on the team with the worst goaltending in the league.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on October 06, 2021, 02:26:08 PM
Buffalo is really going to historically awful this season, aren't they?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on October 06, 2021, 02:30:28 PM
Buffalo isn't even remotely trying to be competitive.  It's a bit of a joke.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on October 06, 2021, 02:31:56 PM
I'm starting to think I could be an upgrade on the GM position in Buffalo.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on October 06, 2021, 03:26:01 PM
Quote from: L K on October 06, 2021, 02:30:28 PM
Buffalo isn't even remotely trying to be competitive.  It's a bit of a joke.

Between them and Arizona...not even trying to be subtle about it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on October 06, 2021, 03:49:47 PM
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nhl-investigating-evander-kane-for-allegedly-submitting-fake-vaccine-card-151126680.html

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2021, 03:53:50 PM
Quote from: L K on October 06, 2021, 02:30:28 PM
Buffalo isn't even remotely trying to be competitive.  It's a bit of a joke.

See, that's the difference I think between them and Arizona. I think Buffalo is trying, they're just failing spectacularly.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on October 06, 2021, 04:00:11 PM
Quote from: Nik on October 06, 2021, 03:53:50 PM
Quote from: L K on October 06, 2021, 02:30:28 PM
Buffalo isn't even remotely trying to be competitive.  It's a bit of a joke.

See, that's the difference I think between them and Arizona. I think Buffalo is trying, they're just failing spectacularly.

What, you don't think Arizona's rag-tag group of pending free agents is a sign that they're trying to be competitive?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on October 07, 2021, 10:51:08 AM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1446121523765383175

Hope things go well for him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on October 07, 2021, 10:57:14 AM
Quote from: Nik on October 07, 2021, 10:51:08 AM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1446121523765383175

Hope things go well for him.

That's unfortunate.

I would guess this takes him out of the Olympics consideration.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 07, 2021, 11:04:12 AM
Quote from: Frank E on October 07, 2021, 10:57:14 AM
Quote from: Nik on October 07, 2021, 10:51:08 AM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1446121523765383175

Hope things go well for him.

That's unfortunate.

I would guess this takes him out of the Olympics consideration.
Might depend on how long he's in the program.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on October 08, 2021, 10:25:46 AM
Here's a random thought: bare-knuckle brawling should not be allowed in hockey.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 08, 2021, 01:22:53 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on October 08, 2021, 10:25:46 AM
Here's a random thought: bare-knuckle brawling should not be allowed in hockey.

I agree. I hope Kassian is okay.

But they ought to continue to allow organizational pettiness
https://twitter.com/DFOHockey/status/1446512146754555912
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 10, 2021, 02:19:18 PM
Big waivers dump today, last chance before teams need to finalize their rosters for tomorrow:

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1447262947466792966
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1447263921740652546

Some former Leafs: Carrick, Leivo, Lehtonen, and Gauthier.

One very intriguing option for a lot of teams could be Alex Barre-Boulet, who Tampa signed to a 3-year deal with a $758k AAV. ABB was supposed to be Tampa's next super AHLer to step up and replace a lot of what they lost in guys like Gourde and Coleman. Sounds like he didn't have a great camp but for any team that's not Tampa he could be worth a spot on their roster.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on October 10, 2021, 03:32:08 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on October 10, 2021, 02:19:18 PM
Big waivers dump today, last chance before teams need to finalize their rosters for tomorrow:

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1447262947466792966
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1447263921740652546

Some former Leafs: Carrick, Leivo, Lehtonen, and Gauthier.

One very intriguing option for a lot of teams could be Alex Barre-Boulet, who Tampa signed to a 3-year deal with a $758k AAV. ABB was supposed to be Tampa's next super AHLer to step up and replace a lot of what they lost in guys like Gourde and Coleman. Sounds like he didn't have a great camp but for any team that's not Tampa he could be worth a spot on their roster.
Man Kyle Turris career went pear shaped.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 11, 2021, 02:05:11 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1447623725017403409

I genuinely don't get how Tampa thought they'd be able to get him through waivers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 11, 2021, 02:38:34 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on October 11, 2021, 02:05:11 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1447623725017403409

I genuinely don't get how Tampa thought they'd be able to get him through waivers.

https://twitter.com/puckpedia/status/1447623874938474497

https://twitter.com/laurkelly24/status/1447225732959248384
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on October 11, 2021, 02:38:35 PM
I got tickets to see Montreal v Nashville.

I feel a bit dirty.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on October 11, 2021, 04:20:46 PM

Well, it looks like it might be donezo for Bobby Ryan as Detroit let him go.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on October 11, 2021, 05:28:44 PM
5 Kraken players in COVID-19 protocol on eve of season opener
https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2201802

That ain't good.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on October 12, 2021, 10:26:21 AM
Suzuki secured for another 8 seasons:

https://www.tsn.ca/montreal-canadiens-nick-suzuki-eight-year-63-million-contract-extension-1.1705359

$7.875m AAV.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 12, 2021, 11:15:23 AM
7+ is a bit rich for an almost 50-pt player but I think he can make it worthwhile. 8 year deal is a question mark for his agents since the cap is about to go back up...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on October 12, 2021, 11:21:07 AM

So almost 8 million for a guy whose best season is 60 points/82. Marner, remember, got almost 11 for a 94 point season.

And yet I doubt we'll see Mitch's name trending today.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on October 12, 2021, 11:22:25 AM
It's a bit of an overpay based on current production.  I can see Suzuki growing into that contract though.  He's good defensively and has scored at a decent pace.  60 point past last year.  He needs to get better at faceoffs stillas he's a 45% guy right now.  Having some deeper playoff runs with good production helped his case (although that same production mirrors what Matthews/Nylander/Marner have done just without the team success).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on October 12, 2021, 11:29:35 AM
A lot of money if he doesn't have a real breakthrough season in the next few years - but, if he can produce at a 60+ point pace while providing solid defence, it's roughly market value.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 12, 2021, 11:41:37 AM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1447946815123435528
See you on the Leafs in 5 years on a show-me deal
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 12, 2021, 11:44:07 AM
Quote from: Nik on October 12, 2021, 11:21:07 AM

So almost 8 million for a guy whose best season is 60 points/82. Marner, remember, got almost 11 for a 94 point season.

And yet I doubt we'll see Mitch's name trending today.

https://twitter.com/shanessm/status/1447931221007339529
It's like that time I made Seth Griffith bit here but writ large.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on October 12, 2021, 12:05:42 PM

I stand corrected.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on October 12, 2021, 12:25:00 PM
https://twitter.com/cbovarnick511/status/1447745899250204672
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 12, 2021, 02:52:46 PM
I really enjoyed this
https://twitter.com/slowestdive/status/1447929627465375754
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 12, 2021, 02:54:10 PM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1447990727020060674
This sucks but good to hear he is asymptomatic (so far)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 12, 2021, 02:55:55 PM
Quote from: herman on October 12, 2021, 11:41:37 AM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1447946815123435528
See you on the Leafs in 5 years on a show-me deal

https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1447947751346610180
Okay maybe a bit earlier than that
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on October 12, 2021, 03:12:51 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on October 12, 2021, 11:29:35 AM
A lot of money if he doesn't have a real breakthrough season in the next few years - but, if he can produce at a 60+ point pace while providing solid defence, it's roughly market value.

So. Nylander. Good deal? yes/no?
;D
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 12, 2021, 03:20:37 PM
https://twitter.com/MDeFranks/status/1447976081504473096

The Stars signing the corpse of Braden Holtby to a $2mil contract to make sure their best goalie can get dropped to the AHL has gotta be one of the most confusing things that happened this offseason.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on October 12, 2021, 03:46:25 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on October 12, 2021, 03:12:51 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on October 12, 2021, 11:29:35 AM
A lot of money if he doesn't have a real breakthrough season in the next few years - but, if he can produce at a 60+ point pace while providing solid defence, it's roughly market value.

So. Nylander. Good deal? yes/no?
;D

https://twitter.com/Noah_Banx/status/1447947579132686338
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on October 12, 2021, 05:32:52 PM
I was coming here to post this exact thing.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on October 13, 2021, 08:34:30 AM
https://twitter.com/AlisonL/status/1448167104390238208

Good to see for Seattle fans specifically and anyone in general on the NHL website.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on October 13, 2021, 09:14:46 AM
I'm not exactly sure how the Vegas game winner wasn't a kicking motion.  It wasn't like the skate was just angled.  He directed the puck toward the net with a forward motion, it just went more of the mid/heel part of the skate.

https://twitter.com/AlexMicheletti/status/1448147623693766656
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 13, 2021, 09:43:51 AM
Probably best to let Seattle fans know early how the league rules on these things (poorly).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on October 13, 2021, 09:47:28 AM
Yeah, that's absolutely a kicking motion. Officials are off to a great start this season!

https://twitter.com/AlexMicheletti/status/1448145683366780928

The second angle on this makes it abundantly clear. He kicks his foot out at the puck and propels it into the net. Should be no goal. If he had kept his skate in his natural stride, I could see the argument, but he definitely kicks at the puck.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on October 13, 2021, 11:33:52 AM
I think I generally agree with all of you, but I'm not as confident as saying it's "absolutely" a kicking motion. I suppose I'm saying, I could accept an argument the other way.

I guess I'm struggling a bit with the NHL's term of "distinct kicking motion." Is a push of the skate a kick?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on October 13, 2021, 12:04:54 PM

"If the Refs get a rule wrong but it's a stupid rule that shouldn't exist, is it ultimately wrong?" is probably the best of hockey's zen koans.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on October 13, 2021, 12:47:53 PM
Cole Perfetti made the opening day roster for the Jets.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on October 13, 2021, 12:56:00 PM
Quote from: Nik on October 13, 2021, 12:04:54 PM

"If the Refs get a rule wrong but it's a stupid rule that shouldn't exist, is it ultimately wrong?" is probably the best of hockey's zen koans.

No. The answer is no.  :)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on October 13, 2021, 12:59:01 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on October 13, 2021, 11:33:52 AM
I think I generally agree with all of you, but I'm not as confident as saying it's "absolutely" a kicking motion. I suppose I'm saying, I could accept an argument the other way.

I guess I'm struggling a bit with the NHL's term of "distinct kicking motion." Is a push of the skate a kick?

Change the rule then. If you don't take your skate off the ice...or you can kick the puck but not in the blue paint (to protect the goalie) or something, but he angles his skate and then moves it to make contact with the puck.  If he doesn't kick it that puck isn't going in the net.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on October 13, 2021, 01:01:54 PM
Agreed.

It's a stupid rule.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 13, 2021, 01:21:16 PM
Quote from: Frank E on October 13, 2021, 12:47:53 PM
Cole Perfetti made the opening day roster for the Jets.

Still sticking to my guns that he's a bust based entirely off one unimpressive game I watched of his against the Bulldogs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on October 13, 2021, 01:37:18 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on October 13, 2021, 01:21:16 PM
Quote from: Frank E on October 13, 2021, 12:47:53 PM
Cole Perfetti made the opening day roster for the Jets.

Still sticking to my guns that he's a bust based entirely off one unimpressive game I watched of his against the Bulldogs.

Seems like a reasonable take.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on October 13, 2021, 11:53:52 PM
https://twitter.com/scottcwheeler/status/1448496503459303428

Gonna be fun to watch this contract play out.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on October 14, 2021, 09:52:45 AM
Minor gripe but Sportsnet is still peddling the Chronic Immune Response Syndrome crap regarding Toews.  It's not a real diagnosis..................
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 14, 2021, 06:58:20 PM
https://twitter.com/peteblackburn/status/1448769822951682050
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on October 15, 2021, 10:59:24 AM
https://twitter.com/tsnbobmckenzie/status/1449010893963026436
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on October 15, 2021, 03:30:34 PM
Larkin gets a hearing for his retaliatory punch.  Joseph gets nothing for doing this.  Parros is mid-season form.

https://twitter.com/BSMotorCity/status/1449055314557509639
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 15, 2021, 08:52:54 PM
https://twitter.com/dimfilipovic/status/1449168124448702466
I feel better, thanks Flyera
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on October 16, 2021, 09:55:01 AM
Quote from: herman on October 15, 2021, 08:52:54 PM
https://twitter.com/dimfilipovic/status/1449168124448702466
I feel better, thanks Flyera

I have friends who are Flyers fans. This is unkind.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on October 16, 2021, 10:12:42 AM
Quote from: princedpw on October 16, 2021, 09:55:01 AM
Quote from: herman on October 15, 2021, 08:52:54 PM
https://twitter.com/dimfilipovic/status/1449168124448702466
I feel better, thanks Flyera

I have friends who are Flyers fans. This is unkind.
Did Carter Hart just fall off a cliff?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 16, 2021, 10:48:28 AM
Quote from: Bender on October 16, 2021, 10:12:42 AM
Quote from: princedpw on October 16, 2021, 09:55:01 AM
Quote from: herman on October 15, 2021, 08:52:54 PM
https://twitter.com/dimfilipovic/status/1449168124448702466
I feel better, thanks Flyera

I have friends who are Flyers fans. This is unkind.
Did Carter Hart just fall off a cliff?

Kind of looks that way.  Funny, it was rumoured that one of the reasons Ron Hextall was let go as GM of the Flyers is because he didn't want to bring Carter Hart up from the minors because he felt that goaltenders need a lot of time to be mentally prepared for the NHL.  Starting to look like he may have been right. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 17, 2021, 08:28:46 AM
https://twitter.com/otceiiy/status/1449530628886695936
Poetry in motion
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on October 18, 2021, 10:54:55 AM
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1450108192390778884
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on October 18, 2021, 05:56:10 PM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1450213154173169671
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on October 19, 2021, 10:15:25 AM
I didn't realize Kane faked his vaccine status. I thought he was just refusing to get vaccinated. What is wrong with this guy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on October 19, 2021, 11:00:42 AM
Quote from: Joe S. on October 19, 2021, 10:15:25 AM
I didn't realize Kane faked his vaccine status. I thought he was just refusing to get vaccinated. What is wrong with this guy.

Yeah I somehow missed that too.  He could have just said he didn't want to get vaccinated and deal with the consequences.  What a blockhead.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on October 19, 2021, 11:06:21 AM
Quote from: Zee on October 19, 2021, 11:00:42 AM
Quote from: Joe S. on October 19, 2021, 10:15:25 AM
I didn't realize Kane faked his vaccine status. I thought he was just refusing to get vaccinated. What is wrong with this guy.

Yeah I somehow missed that too.  He could have just said he didn't want to get vaccinated and deal with the consequences.  What a blockhead.
Scumbag should just be barred for the season.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on October 19, 2021, 11:08:52 AM
Quote from: Bender on October 19, 2021, 11:06:21 AM
Quote from: Zee on October 19, 2021, 11:00:42 AM
Quote from: Joe S. on October 19, 2021, 10:15:25 AM
I didn't realize Kane faked his vaccine status. I thought he was just refusing to get vaccinated. What is wrong with this guy.

Yeah I somehow missed that too.  He could have just said he didn't want to get vaccinated and deal with the consequences.  What a blockhead.
Scumbag should just be barred for the season.

If anyone else did that at their place of employment that required prof of vaccination this would lead to an immediate dismissal. I think the nhl is being way too lenient.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 19, 2021, 11:36:17 AM
https://twitter.com/hailey_salvian/status/1450284774317125636
He tried to block a puck over glass penalty and Anaheim scored on the ensuing interference penalty. I'm pretty impressed with the hand eye coordination fully extended with terrible sight lines to the puck.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on October 19, 2021, 12:44:46 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on October 19, 2021, 11:08:52 AM
Quote from: Bender on October 19, 2021, 11:06:21 AM
Quote from: Zee on October 19, 2021, 11:00:42 AM
Quote from: Joe S. on October 19, 2021, 10:15:25 AM
I didn't realize Kane faked his vaccine status. I thought he was just refusing to get vaccinated. What is wrong with this guy.

Yeah I somehow missed that too.  He could have just said he didn't want to get vaccinated and deal with the consequences.  What a blockhead.
Scumbag should just be barred for the season.

If anyone else did that at their place of employment that required prof of vaccination this would lead to an immediate dismissal. I think the nhl is being way too lenient.

You'd think but unions can be very powerful in this regard.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 19, 2021, 12:59:00 PM
Quote from: Dappleganger on October 19, 2021, 12:44:46 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on October 19, 2021, 11:08:52 AM
If anyone else did that at their place of employment that required prof of vaccination this would lead to an immediate dismissal. I think the nhl is being way too lenient.

You'd think but unions can be very powerful in this regard.

If the precise situation wasn't spelled out in the CBA, and the team doesn't want to pursue the more arduous and general SPC-contravention argument, then basically it's a no-go.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on October 19, 2021, 03:36:40 PM
Quote from: herman on October 19, 2021, 11:36:17 AM
https://twitter.com/hailey_salvian/status/1450284774317125636
He tried to block a puck over glass penalty and Anaheim scored on the ensuing interference penalty. I'm pretty impressed with the hand eye coordination fully extended with terrible sight lines to the puck.

This is a weird one. I know it's technically a penalty and it's an automatic thing, but I feel like this one should have been let go.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on October 19, 2021, 05:14:56 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on October 19, 2021, 03:36:40 PM
Quote from: herman on October 19, 2021, 11:36:17 AM
https://twitter.com/hailey_salvian/status/1450284774317125636
He tried to block a puck over glass penalty and Anaheim scored on the ensuing interference penalty. I'm pretty impressed with the hand eye coordination fully extended with terrible sight lines to the puck.

This is a weird one. I know it's technically a penalty and it's an automatic thing, but I feel like this one should have been let go.

Kind of relative though, there was going to be a penalty on the play either way.  It's either Puck over the glass or delay of game for playing the puck off the bench.  It just went to Tkachuk instead of the other Flames player.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on October 19, 2021, 08:08:41 PM
Quote from: L K on October 19, 2021, 05:14:56 PM
Kind of relative though, there was going to be a penalty on the play either way.  It's either Puck over the glass or delay of game for playing the puck off the bench.  It just went to Tkachuk instead of the other Flames player.

Then just call the stupid puck over glass delay of game penalty. At least that involves something that actually impacted the game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 20, 2021, 09:42:43 AM
Nah, Tkachuk knew exactly what he was doing there. I think a penalty is definitely warranted. Players on the bench can't interfere with the puck, and the whistle hadn't blown yet. What would have happened if that was a slightly more debatable over the glass penalty and a player blocked it?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on October 20, 2021, 11:36:04 AM
Can someone explain how we're 2 weeks into the season and the bruins have played only 1 game?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: azzurri63 on October 20, 2021, 11:40:36 AM
Quote from: Joe S. on October 20, 2021, 11:36:04 AM
Can someone explain how we're 2 weeks into the season and the bruins have played only 1 game?

Well really we are only 8 days into the season but NHL scheduling I agree leaves you scratching your head.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 20, 2021, 11:45:09 AM
Quote from: herman on October 19, 2021, 12:59:00 PM
Quote from: Dappleganger on October 19, 2021, 12:44:46 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on October 19, 2021, 11:08:52 AM
If anyone else did that at their place of employment that required prof of vaccination this would lead to an immediate dismissal. I think the nhl is being way too lenient.

You'd think but unions can be very powerful in this regard.

If the precise situation wasn't spelled out in the CBA, and the team doesn't want to pursue the more arduous and general SPC-contravention argument, then basically it's a no-go.

https://twitter.com/nhl_watcher/status/1450612047088164867
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on October 20, 2021, 11:50:13 AM
Quote from: azzurri63 on October 20, 2021, 11:40:36 AM
Quote from: Joe S. on October 20, 2021, 11:36:04 AM
Can someone explain how we're 2 weeks into the season and the bruins have played only 1 game?

Well really we are only 8 days into the season but NHL scheduling I agree leaves you scratching your head.

By Saturday they'll be up to 3 games and the leafs will already have had 2 back to backs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on October 20, 2021, 01:34:31 PM
The schedule is stupid.

Edmonton plays 8 back to backs this year.  The Islanders have 19!  Meanwhile the Islanders have two weeks out of the first 5 weeks of the schedule with only 1 game.

Leafs are bottom half of the league with 13 back to backs but not all back-to-backs are the same.  The Leafs first two are back-to-backs against a rested team with the Leafs having to travel.  The schedule is stupid this year.  They can say compressed schedule due to the late start/Olympics but the discrepancy in back-to-backs and large gaps in schedule are just a poorly designed schedule
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 20, 2021, 02:54:26 PM
Quote from: L K on October 20, 2021, 01:34:31 PM
The schedule is stupid.

Edmonton plays 8 back to backs this year.  The Islanders have 19!  Meanwhile the Islanders have two weeks out of the first 5 weeks of the schedule with only 1 game.

Leafs are bottom half of the league with 13 back to backs but not all back-to-backs are the same.  The Leafs first two are back-to-backs against a rested team with the Leafs having to travel.  The schedule is stupid this year.  They can say compressed schedule due to the late start/Olympics but the discrepancy in back-to-backs and large gaps in schedule are just a poorly designed schedule

Nothing is ideal but it sure can't be easy trying to figure out 1300+ games and working around other events at the arenas, travelling, then take away 2 or 3 weeks in time during the season also...must be a nightmare.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on October 20, 2021, 03:18:49 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on October 20, 2021, 02:54:26 PM
Quote from: L K on October 20, 2021, 01:34:31 PM
The schedule is stupid.

Edmonton plays 8 back to backs this year.  The Islanders have 19!  Meanwhile the Islanders have two weeks out of the first 5 weeks of the schedule with only 1 game.

Leafs are bottom half of the league with 13 back to backs but not all back-to-backs are the same.  The Leafs first two are back-to-backs against a rested team with the Leafs having to travel.  The schedule is stupid this year.  They can say compressed schedule due to the late start/Olympics but the discrepancy in back-to-backs and large gaps in schedule are just a poorly designed schedule

Nothing is ideal but it sure can't be easy trying to figure out 1300+ games and working around other events at the arenas, travelling, then take away 2 or 3 weeks in time during the season also...must be a nightmare.

Especially when you figure that for a lot of the US based arenas the hockey team isn't exactly a huge priority.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 20, 2021, 04:25:48 PM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1450917239046254601
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 20, 2021, 09:13:49 PM
https://twitter.com/passittobulis/status/1450946245631954946
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 21, 2021, 02:06:45 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1451247772842221577

Well that didn't last long. Wonder if Tampa gets him back now that Kucherov is out (or if anyone higher than them grabs him).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 21, 2021, 07:56:41 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on October 21, 2021, 02:06:45 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1451247772842221577

Well that didn't last long. Wonder if Tampa gets him back now that Kucherov is out (or if anyone higher than them grabs him).
I don't think he gets through 30 teams for T Bay to grab him back.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on October 21, 2021, 10:48:03 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on October 21, 2021, 07:56:41 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on October 21, 2021, 02:06:45 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1451247772842221577

Well that didn't last long. Wonder if Tampa gets him back now that Kucherov is out (or if anyone higher than them grabs him).
I don't think he gets through 30 teams for T Bay to grab him back.
Adam Brooks replacement?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 22, 2021, 12:30:57 AM
https://twitter.com/NHL_Watcher/status/1451338259611725830
One slightly used Ritchie?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on October 22, 2021, 09:30:33 AM
Connor McDavid has 116 points in his last 60 games.
Draisaitl has 92 and then the 3rd highest scorer is Brad Marchand with 72
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 22, 2021, 09:43:42 AM
https://twitter.com/canes/status/1451363440723902465
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on October 22, 2021, 10:20:10 AM
Quote from: herman on October 22, 2021, 09:43:42 AM
https://twitter.com/canes/status/1451363440723902465

It's down already but the website answered yes and sold shirts for Kotkaniemi and Aho for 20 dollars
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on October 22, 2021, 10:28:57 AM
I'm glad another fanbase is hating on the habs.

I love this stuff, and the crowd booing Kotkaniemi before he scored.

Awesome.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on October 22, 2021, 10:39:09 AM
Quote from: Frank E on October 22, 2021, 10:28:57 AM
I'm glad another fanbase is hating on the habs.

I love this stuff, and the crowd booing Kotkaniemi before he scored.

Awesome.

I actually think Montreal is becoming the Senators 2.0.

Go to the Finals and then become terrible.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 22, 2021, 02:02:17 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1451609694888468484

Well this will be interesting to look back on in a year or two.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 22, 2021, 02:18:38 PM
Uh no one else wanted him? or everyone is capped out
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on October 22, 2021, 03:32:03 PM
I don't understand NHL GMs. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on October 22, 2021, 03:35:57 PM
Quote from: Dappleganger on October 22, 2021, 10:39:09 AM
Quote from: Frank E on October 22, 2021, 10:28:57 AM
I'm glad another fanbase is hating on the habs.

I love this stuff, and the crowd booing Kotkaniemi before he scored.

Awesome.

I actually think Montreal is becoming the Senators 2.0.

Go to the Finals and then become terrible.

I mean in fairness they weren't good to begin with.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on October 22, 2021, 04:43:02 PM
Quote from: herman on October 22, 2021, 02:18:38 PM
Uh no one else wanted him? or everyone is capped out

Doesn't the team that lost the player get first dibs?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 22, 2021, 04:47:23 PM
Quote from: Frank E on October 22, 2021, 04:43:02 PM
Quote from: herman on October 22, 2021, 02:18:38 PM
Uh no one else wanted him? or everyone is capped out

Doesn't the team that lost the player get first dibs?

Nope. That's one of those CBA myths :D

https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1348344569386192898
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 22, 2021, 04:48:38 PM
Let's see how our ol' buddy/whipping boy Dave Hakstol is doing with his brand new team:
https://hockeyviz.com/team/SEA/2122

The whole team is Tyson Barrie right now.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on October 22, 2021, 04:51:01 PM
Quote from: herman on October 22, 2021, 04:47:23 PM
Quote from: Frank E on October 22, 2021, 04:43:02 PM
Quote from: herman on October 22, 2021, 02:18:38 PM
Uh no one else wanted him? or everyone is capped out

Doesn't the team that lost the player get first dibs?

Nope. That's one of those CBA myths :D

https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1348344569386192898

Gotcha, so the only advantage Tampa has is that they can send him down and up once without waivies?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on October 22, 2021, 07:04:57 PM
Quote from: Frank E on October 22, 2021, 04:51:01 PM
Quote from: herman on October 22, 2021, 04:47:23 PM
Quote from: Frank E on October 22, 2021, 04:43:02 PM
Quote from: herman on October 22, 2021, 02:18:38 PM
Uh no one else wanted him? or everyone is capped out

Doesn't the team that lost the player get first dibs?

Nope. That's one of those CBA myths :D

https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1348344569386192898

Gotcha, so the only advantage Tampa has is that they can send him down and up once without waivies?

Wouldn't that be for the first time he was put on waivers? He was claimed so didn't they lose that privilege?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 22, 2021, 07:16:35 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on October 22, 2021, 07:04:57 PM
Quote from: Frank E on October 22, 2021, 04:51:01 PM
Quote from: herman on October 22, 2021, 04:47:23 PM
Quote from: Frank E on October 22, 2021, 04:43:02 PM
Quote from: herman on October 22, 2021, 02:18:38 PM
Uh no one else wanted him? or everyone is capped out

Doesn't the team that lost the player get first dibs?

Nope. That's one of those CBA myths :D

https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1348344569386192898

Gotcha, so the only advantage Tampa has is that they can send him down and up once without waivies?

Wouldn't that be for the first time he was put on waivers? He was claimed so didn't they lose that privilege?
Tampa can send him directly to the minors.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on October 22, 2021, 07:22:08 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on October 22, 2021, 07:16:35 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on October 22, 2021, 07:04:57 PM
Quote from: Frank E on October 22, 2021, 04:51:01 PM
Quote from: herman on October 22, 2021, 04:47:23 PM
Quote from: Frank E on October 22, 2021, 04:43:02 PM
Quote from: herman on October 22, 2021, 02:18:38 PM
Uh no one else wanted him? or everyone is capped out

Doesn't the team that lost the player get first dibs?

Nope. That's one of those CBA myths :D

https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1348344569386192898

Gotcha, so the only advantage Tampa has is that they can send him down and up once without waivies?

Wouldn't that be for the first time he was put on waivers? He was claimed so didn't they lose that privilege?
Tampa can send him directly to the minors.

Assuming no teams below them in the waiver priority but in a claim. Since it's the reverse of last season's regular season standings, there are a handful of teams that could have.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on October 23, 2021, 09:20:11 AM
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1451890477989498883
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on October 23, 2021, 09:45:40 AM

I know it makes me sound like the humourless, angry old man I'm becoming but I genuinely don't get why I'm supposed to be delighted by the recent surge in hyper-trolly "edgy" social media managers in sports.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on October 23, 2021, 01:56:43 PM
Quote from: Nik on October 23, 2021, 09:45:40 AM

I know it makes me sound like the humourless, angry old man I'm becoming but I genuinely don't get why I'm supposed to be delighted by the recent surge in hyper-trolly "edgy" social media managers in sports.
I can see how some people like it and creates controversy, at the end of the day it just feels so manufactured.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on October 23, 2021, 04:39:20 PM
https://twitter.com/HeleneStJames/status/1451947529331937291?t=wa2DO2mgJSglNTbuklUchw&s=19

I kind of love this.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on October 25, 2021, 10:37:04 AM
https://twitter.com/MarkLazerus/status/1452445397645996032

Things could always be worse...

6 games into the season, zero time with the lead.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 25, 2021, 01:59:08 PM
Mackenzie Blackwood saw his name being touted for Olympics consideration recently. And also decided to get vaccinated for some probably unrelated reason.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 25, 2021, 02:02:52 PM
Quote from: herman on October 25, 2021, 01:59:08 PM
Mackenzie Blackwood saw his name being touted for Olympics consideration recently.

Man Team Canada's down bad in the goaltending department.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 25, 2021, 02:05:37 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on October 25, 2021, 02:02:52 PM
Quote from: herman on October 25, 2021, 01:59:08 PM
Mackenzie Blackwood saw his name being touted for Olympics consideration recently.

Man Team Canada's down bad in the goaltending department.

For your Olympic consideration:
(https://i.redd.it/zzcojb7r87bz.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on October 25, 2021, 02:05:46 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on October 25, 2021, 02:02:52 PM
Quote from: herman on October 25, 2021, 01:59:08 PM
Mackenzie Blackwood saw his name being touted for Olympics consideration recently.

Man Team Canada's down bad in the goaltending department.

We are definitely no longer in the heydays of Canadian goaltending supremecy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on October 25, 2021, 05:15:52 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on October 25, 2021, 10:37:04 AM
https://twitter.com/MarkLazerus/status/1452445397645996032

Things could always be worse...

6 games into the season, zero time with the lead.

My understand is that things are worse here. In Toronto. With the leafs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on October 25, 2021, 08:06:23 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on October 25, 2021, 05:15:52 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on October 25, 2021, 10:37:04 AM
https://twitter.com/MarkLazerus/status/1452445397645996032

Things could always be worse...

6 games into the season, zero time with the lead.

My understand is that things are worse here. In Toronto. With the leafs.

This fanbase does love to whine and moan more than most.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 25, 2021, 09:39:41 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on October 25, 2021, 08:06:23 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on October 25, 2021, 05:15:52 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on October 25, 2021, 10:37:04 AM
https://twitter.com/MarkLazerus/status/1452445397645996032

Things could always be worse...

6 games into the season, zero time with the lead.

My understand is that things are worse here. In Toronto. With the leafs.

This fanbase does love to whine and moan more than most.
Over analyze every little thing.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on October 25, 2021, 09:43:44 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on October 25, 2021, 08:06:23 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on October 25, 2021, 05:15:52 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on October 25, 2021, 10:37:04 AM
https://twitter.com/MarkLazerus/status/1452445397645996032

Things could always be worse...

6 games into the season, zero time with the lead.

My understand is that things are worse here. In Toronto. With the leafs.

This fanbase does love to whine and moan more than most.
To be fair they won 3 Cups.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on October 26, 2021, 08:57:51 AM
Quote from: Bender on October 25, 2021, 09:43:44 PM
To be fair they won 3 Cups.

This is the sports world. Anything more than a year or two old is too far in the past. :P
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on October 26, 2021, 09:57:55 PM
https://www.si.com/hockey/news/could-the-blackhawks-consider-moving-kane-and-toews-by-the-trade-deadline

Sure, why not.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on October 29, 2021, 09:24:41 AM
Few things in hockey could bring me the joy that seeing someone absolutely dummy Binnington would.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on October 29, 2021, 09:39:06 AM
Quote from: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on October 29, 2021, 09:24:41 AM
Few things in hockey could bring me the joy that seeing someone absolutely dummy Binnington would.

He's apparently a good guy off the ice (he's my brother-in-law's girlfriend's brother's best friend, so, I have some inside connections here - even though I recognize that sounds like a Spaceballs reference), but, yeah, his actions last night are inexcusable. Can't swing your stick at people's heads like that.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 29, 2021, 10:42:39 AM
https://twitter.com/PHLFlyersNation/status/1453915819323318274
Yes. More this.
https://twitter.com/PHLFlyersNation/status/1453916595424829440
Powerplay is perfect time to try stuff like this
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: louisstamos on October 29, 2021, 10:44:37 AM
In the opponent's barn no less...I'm impressed!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 29, 2021, 10:48:18 AM
I love set plays off backboard rebounds. See him point to the glass for the pass?
https://twitter.com/davis_boyer/status/1454064680792690697

Boston did similar to the Leafs almost routinely, but that was more straightforward.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on October 29, 2021, 10:56:53 AM
The shot-pass off the end boards is becoming more and more common a play, but the execution on that one is damn impressive. The one touch cross-crease pass is a thing of beauty.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 31, 2021, 08:43:48 AM
Half of San Jose was on Covid protocol, so naturally the Jets lost to them.

We're not alone :D
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 01, 2021, 12:37:32 PM
https://twitter.com/CanadiensMTL/status/1455205040357093383

0 goals and 1 assist in 10 games this season. Not the only thing going wrong with the Canadiens this season but certainly someone who hasn't met (unfairly high) expectations.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on November 01, 2021, 12:40:03 PM
I'm probably the best thing for him at this point.  Get confidence, get away from a team that is getting their teeth kicked in most nights and come back to the NHL in a month
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 01, 2021, 12:44:16 PM
I was just about to pose the question about when he gets sent down to some Habs fans I'm friends with.

Honestly, having watched him play a fair amount, it's not a surprise. Kid has skills, no question. NHL shot and is highly competitive. I just don't know if he processes the game fast enough/reads the play well enough at the NHL level yet. He tries a lot of things that would have been successful against USHL and NCAA defence and goalies (and a good portion of AHL d and goalies, too - though, he hasn't spent much time against them) that have little to not chance of becoming anything more than wasted opportunities at the NHL level.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on November 01, 2021, 12:53:56 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on November 01, 2021, 12:37:32 PM
https://twitter.com/CanadiensMTL/status/1455205040357093383

0 goals and 1 assist in 10 games this season. Not the only thing going wrong with the Canadiens this season but certainly someone who hasn't met (unfairly high) expectations.

But every Habs fan told me he was a lock for the Calder.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 01, 2021, 01:14:32 PM
Quote from: Zee on November 01, 2021, 12:53:56 PM
But every Habs fan told me he was a lock for the Calder.

https://twitter.com/3rdPeriodSuits/status/1455216642758254594
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on November 01, 2021, 03:07:13 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on November 01, 2021, 01:14:32 PM
Quote from: Zee on November 01, 2021, 12:53:56 PM
But every Habs fan told me he was a lock for the Calder.

https://twitter.com/3rdPeriodSuits/status/1455216642758254594
https://twitter.com/3rdperiodsuits/status/1455245412089143300
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on November 01, 2021, 03:32:19 PM
https://twitter.com/jtoonkel/status/1455224988131381250

Ugh.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 01, 2021, 03:41:49 PM
Cole Caufield is a good prospect and I hope he gets an opportunity to succeed. It clearly won't be with this current iteration of the habs in what's going to be a stealth tank year.

https://twitter.com/JohnLuTSNMtl/status/1455212150310555648

Caufield's game is as an opportunistic finisher; he's small but shifty, and has a hell of a release. What his game is currently lacking (and this is the case for most players, but especially Montreal right now) is getting the puck to the OZ and keeping it there. Who in that lineup above is going to be carrying the puck in with control to set up Caulfield for success? Drouin perhaps but he's not a natural centre. Suzuki sort of, but he's by default going to be the Tyler Bozak of this team and fed to the wolves. Both of those options compound other (defensive) weaknesses. Dvorak is more of a safety with finish.

It's a similar situation to Nick Robertson who profiles similarly. The difference is, when he's back from injury and develops more balance to his game in the AHL, Robertson will be lining up across from Nylander or Marner or, at worst, Jason Spezza.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on November 01, 2021, 03:58:14 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on November 01, 2021, 03:32:19 PM
https://twitter.com/jtoonkel/status/1455224988131381250

Ugh.

I agree. This would not be great news I don't think.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on November 01, 2021, 04:45:28 PM
The increased cozying up to gambling is getting really out of hand with professional sports.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on November 01, 2021, 05:09:06 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on November 01, 2021, 12:37:32 PM
https://twitter.com/CanadiensMTL/status/1455205040357093383

0 goals and 1 assist in 10 games this season. Not the only thing going wrong with the Canadiens this season but certainly someone who hasn't met (unfairly high) expectations.

I have tickets to Montreal v Nashville in a few weeks time. I hadn't been paying much attention so one of the things I was looking forward to was seeing him play in person. Shame.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on November 01, 2021, 05:25:17 PM
Quote from: Arn on November 01, 2021, 05:09:06 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on November 01, 2021, 12:37:32 PM
https://twitter.com/CanadiensMTL/status/1455205040357093383

0 goals and 1 assist in 10 games this season. Not the only thing going wrong with the Canadiens this season but certainly someone who hasn't met (unfairly high) expectations.

I have tickets to Montreal v Nashville in a few weeks time. I hadn't been paying much attention so one of the things I was looking forward to was seeing him play in person. Shame.

I don't know...Pezzetta has way better hair.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on November 01, 2021, 11:03:56 PM
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nhl-blackhawks-prospect-artur-kayumov-dresses-as-a-terrorist-for-halloween-004149167.html
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on November 02, 2021, 02:28:10 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on November 01, 2021, 11:03:56 PM
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nhl-blackhawks-prospect-artur-kayumov-dresses-as-a-terrorist-for-halloween-004149167.html

Seems like the Blackhawks have everything going right for them currently. Stand up organization.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 03, 2021, 12:54:12 AM
https://twitter.com/dimfilipovic/status/1455724357309792256
:o
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 03, 2021, 09:41:51 AM
https://twitter.com/emilymkaplan/status/1455745628823293955
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on November 03, 2021, 09:55:33 AM
Vegas obviously benefits greatly from acquiring Eichel but what they heck are they giving up for him?

If/when Pacioretty, Stone, Tuch return they are right up against the cap.  If Patrick comes back they go over the cap even with a 12 forward, 6 defenseman lineup.

Eichel will be on LTIR most of the year but if the supposed timeline is accurate it would be on ice training in 6 weeks and potentially joining practice in 8 weeks.  So let's just say 3 months recovery.  They would have to unload salary on top of giving up assets. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 03, 2021, 10:29:37 AM
Quote from: L K on November 03, 2021, 09:55:33 AM
Vegas obviously benefits greatly from acquiring Eichel but what they heck are they giving up for him?

If/when Pacioretty, Stone, Tuch return they are right up against the cap.  If Patrick comes back they go over the cap even with a 12 forward, 6 defenseman lineup.

Eichel will be on LTIR most of the year but if the supposed timeline is accurate it would be on ice training in 6 weeks and potentially joining practice in 8 weeks.  So let's just say 3 months recovery.  They would have to unload salary on top of giving up assets. 

It'll eat into their depth but I think they have enough expendable salaries to move. Tuch is probably a guy Buffalo will demand in return since he's young-ish and signed for 4 more seasons after this one. Rielly Smith would also probably be a cap causality here. He's still playing big minutes for Vegas but his production is dropping over the last couple years and he's a UFA at the end of the season so he's someone Buffalo can flip at the deadline. Unless they get a 3rd party team like Arizona to eat some of the deal they'll probably need to cut a little more, so add Janmark into the deal as well as he's another pending UFA Buffalo can flip at the deadline. Obviously Buffalo would want a 1st and/or a top prospect as well but that at least solves the cap issues. On a somewhat related note to this it's still hilarious to me that after getting rid of Fleury's contract Vegas decided to blow $5mil in cap space on Evgeny Dadonov after his disastrous season with Ottawa. I'd have tried to include him in this deal if I was Vegas but I'm guessing Buffalo is on his 10-team no trade list.

That would leave Vegas with a top-6 (when healthy) consisting of: Eichel, Stone, Pacioretty, Karlsson, Stephenson, and Marchessault. Behind that they still have some good young-ish players like Patrick, Roy, and Howden (assuming they aren't dealt). As well as NHLers like Dadonov/Carrier. They also keep their entire defence in tact and still have Lehner in net. Not a bad group (of course if healthy).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on November 03, 2021, 10:46:48 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on November 03, 2021, 10:29:37 AM
It'll eat into their depth but I think they have enough expendable salaries to move. Tuch is probably a guy Buffalo will demand in return since he's young-ish and signed for 4 more seasons after this one. Rielly Smith would also probably be a cap causality here. He's still playing big minutes for Vegas but his production is dropping over the last couple years and he's a UFA at the end of the season so he's someone Buffalo can flip at the deadline. Unless they get a 3rd party team like Arizona to eat some of the deal they'll probably need to cut a little more, so add Janmark into the deal as well as he's another pending UFA Buffalo can flip at the deadline. Obviously Buffalo would want a 1st and/or a top prospect as well but that at least solves the cap issues.

But I think that's sort of the question LK is asking. Who is a "top prospect" that Vegas can include in the deal? Krebs? He's the only guy in their organization drafted in the top 20. A first rounder of theirs also would figure to be 20-32.

Tuch, Smith, Janmark, Krebs and a 1st would be, I think, considerably worse than anyone thought Buffalo would do for Eichel and quite a bit less than they were supposedly holding out for.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 03, 2021, 10:58:57 AM
Quote from: Nik on November 03, 2021, 10:46:48 AM
Tuch, Smith, Janmark, Krebs and a 1st would be, I think, considerably worse than anyone thought Buffalo would do for Eichel and quite a bit less than they were supposedly holding out for.

Yeah. If Vegas expects them to take on that much risk in terms of the full return - who knows what they might get for Janmark and Smith at the deadline (we're likely talking mid-round picks if they're even moved - Buffalo also takes on the risk of injuries destroying their trade value) - they need to add a fair amount of value to that deal.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 03, 2021, 11:37:00 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on November 03, 2021, 10:58:57 AM
Quote from: Nik on November 03, 2021, 10:46:48 AM
Tuch, Smith, Janmark, Krebs and a 1st would be, I think, considerably worse than anyone thought Buffalo would do for Eichel and quite a bit less than they were supposedly holding out for.

Yeah. If Vegas expects them to take on that much risk in terms of the full return - who knows what they might get for Janmark and Smith at the deadline (we're likely talking mid-round picks if they're even moved - Buffalo also takes on the risk of injuries destroying their trade value) - they need to add a fair amount of value to that deal.

I feel like this is partially on them for not dealing him earlier. At this point in time with how they handled his injury situation and everything his value is only going to go lower the longer they hold off. Also even when healthy when a disgruntled star like Eichel is traded they rarely ever get "full" value, it's usually a 4 quarters for a dollar type thing.

This package here gives them more or less the equivalent of three 1st round draft picks (the actual 1st, Krebs a recent 1st round pick who is progressing well, and Tuch who I think on the market now would return a 1st round pick), plus maybe eventually a 2nd rounder and a 5th rounder for Smith and Janmark respectively at the deadline. I mean sure it's not great but it's not like there's a line of teams outside Buffalo's office trying to offer more.

It also really needs to be stressed that any team acquiring him is taking a pretty massive risk too not exactly knowing what kind of player they're going to get in a post-surgery Eichel.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 03, 2021, 11:46:33 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on November 03, 2021, 11:37:00 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on November 03, 2021, 10:58:57 AM
Quote from: Nik on November 03, 2021, 10:46:48 AM
Tuch, Smith, Janmark, Krebs and a 1st would be, I think, considerably worse than anyone thought Buffalo would do for Eichel and quite a bit less than they were supposedly holding out for.

Yeah. If Vegas expects them to take on that much risk in terms of the full return - who knows what they might get for Janmark and Smith at the deadline (we're likely talking mid-round picks if they're even moved - Buffalo also takes on the risk of injuries destroying their trade value) - they need to add a fair amount of value to that deal.

I feel like this is partially on them for not dealing him earlier. At this point in time with how they handled his injury situation and everything his value is only going to go lower the longer they hold off. Also even when healthy when a disgruntled star like Eichel is traded they rarely ever get "full" value, it's usually a 4 quarters for a dollar type thing.

This package here gives them more or less the equivalent of three 1st round draft picks (the actual 1st, Krebs a recent 1st round pick who is progressing well, and Tuch who I think on the market now would return a 1st round pick), plus maybe eventually a 2nd rounder and a 5th rounder for Smith and Janmark respectively at the deadline. I mean sure it's not great but it's not like there's a line of teams outside Buffalo's office trying to offer more.

There's also the fact that any time acquiring him is taking a pretty massive risk too not exactly knowing what kind of player they're going to get in a post-surgery Eichel.

I get your point, but the Sabres haven't shown any inclination towards ceding anywhere near that much ground. There's virtually no way Buffalo accepts that deal (especially with Tuch's shoulder surgery and the unknowns around that).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 03, 2021, 11:56:41 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on November 03, 2021, 11:46:33 AM
I get your point, but the Sabres haven't shown any inclination towards ceding anywhere near that much ground. There's virtually no way Buffalo accepts that deal (especially with Tuch's shoulder surgery and the unknowns around that).

The report earlier in the summer was that Buffalo was asking for the equivalent of four 1st round draft picks for Eichel, so this isn't really even that much of a drop. Especially if Smith plays well for them and can land a 2nd at the deadline.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 03, 2021, 12:14:28 PM
https://twitter.com/JoshYohe_PGH/status/1455930971191185414

Is it just me or are more players getting COVID-19 or going on the protocol for it more this season than last season?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on November 03, 2021, 12:25:42 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on November 03, 2021, 12:14:28 PM
https://twitter.com/JoshYohe_PGH/status/1455930971191185414

Is it just me or are more players getting COVID-19 or going on the protocol for it more this season than last season?

Chances are they aren't following the same rigorous standards as last year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on November 03, 2021, 12:40:18 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on November 03, 2021, 12:14:28 PM
https://twitter.com/JoshYohe_PGH/status/1455930971191185414

Is it just me or are more players getting COVID-19 or going on the protocol for it more this season than last season?

Less vigorous isolation protocols + q72hour COVID PCR testing = more positive cases.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 03, 2021, 07:31:00 PM
https://twitter.com/kevinweekes/status/1456011287444410369
Calgary willing to bail (sort of) on their strong start to the season is interesting.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on November 03, 2021, 08:32:35 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on November 03, 2021, 11:56:41 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on November 03, 2021, 11:46:33 AM
I get your point, but the Sabres haven't shown any inclination towards ceding anywhere near that much ground. There's virtually no way Buffalo accepts that deal (especially with Tuch's shoulder surgery and the unknowns around that).

The report earlier in the summer was that Buffalo was asking for the equivalent of four 1st round draft picks for Eichel, so this isn't really even that much of a drop. Especially if Smith plays well for them and can land a 2nd at the deadline.

There were also reports that they were looking for a top tier young player and a top tier prospect. It's why a lot of the early Eichel to the Rangers speculation involved someone like Kakko.

Obviously every team at the start of this process will set the price tag very high and hope a team bites but if that is the Vegas package they won't really have come close in either regard. If the Calgary offer is as reported it sounds much, much closer to that.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 03, 2021, 10:16:10 PM
Quote from: herman on November 03, 2021, 07:31:00 PM
https://twitter.com/kevinweekes/status/1456011287444410369

I like Weekes but his report lost a lot of credibility when he called Tkachuk a future captain. Anyway Andy "the Tkachuk whisperer" Strickland chimed in:

https://twitter.com/andystrickland/status/1456078188476608513
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on November 04, 2021, 07:36:17 AM
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1456221801843986441

So garbage package it is I guess.

https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1456225712923418629

Yep, definitely a garbage package
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on November 05, 2021, 01:35:31 PM
https://twitter.com/chloewojj/status/1456481235602132993
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on November 06, 2021, 12:12:13 AM
https://twitter.com/BradyTrett/status/1456833585021734913

What Connor McDavid can do to defensemen, chapter 7,321
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 06, 2021, 12:35:17 AM
Goals like this make me wonder how McDavid isn't scoring like every other shift.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 06, 2021, 12:36:16 AM
I remember a lot of people pooh-poohing Rielly for getting dummied (with a bum hip) and Hutchinson behind him. People just gotta shrug when they get punched out by Superman. It is inherently not fair.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 06, 2021, 12:36:46 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on November 06, 2021, 12:35:17 AM
Goals like this make me wonder how McDavid isn't scoring like every other shift.

Lazy and inconsistent? Justin Holl?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on November 06, 2021, 09:20:23 AM
Quote from: Nik on November 06, 2021, 12:12:13 AM
https://twitter.com/BradyTrett/status/1456833585021734913

What Connor McDavid can do to defensemen, chapter 7,321
I'd love to see the McDavid view on that goal. He circles until there's 4 Rangers in the middle and then he's like, "there's my opening, right down the middle".
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on November 06, 2021, 09:41:29 AM
I know it probably draws a penalty but up one goal and McDavid gets to skate right through four guys who all just make stick check attempts.   It's more of McDavid's unreal puck control while coming with speed but I fee like with four guys someone should have just tackled him and taken the penalty
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 06, 2021, 10:16:36 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on November 06, 2021, 09:20:23 AM
Quote from: Nik on November 06, 2021, 12:12:13 AM
https://twitter.com/BradyTrett/status/1456833585021734913

What Connor McDavid can do to defensemen, chapter 7,321
I'd love to see the McDavid view on that goal. He circles until there's 4 Rangers in the middle and then he's like, "there's my opening, right down the middle".

It's not McDavid's view but it is the Oh F— view
https://twitter.com/dimfilipovic/status/1456844279863595019
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on November 06, 2021, 10:38:57 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on November 06, 2021, 09:20:23 AM
I'd love to see the McDavid view on that goal. He circles until there's 4 Rangers in the middle and then he's like, "there's my opening, right down the middle".

This is exactly what I was thinking...like you see four guys converging in the middle of the ice, and you'd think "go outside, use my speed and beat them wide"...but no, he decides to go straight through them.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on November 06, 2021, 10:41:30 AM
Quote from: Nik on November 06, 2021, 12:12:13 AM
https://twitter.com/BradyTrett/status/1456833585021734913

What Connor McDavid can do to defensemen, chapter 7,321

can you believe all those pathetic rangers d, letting the guy walk through them. just step up and put him on his ass ffs!! those losers are going nowhere unless they toughen up. look at the $8M pylon trouba just waving his stick around and drury gave lazy zibinenjad $8.5, he didnt even skate hard coming of the bench.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on November 06, 2021, 10:44:12 AM
I'm especially appreciative of the spelling and grammar there Deebo.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on November 06, 2021, 10:56:04 AM
So, Buffalo was going to be at below the salary cap floor when the Eichel trade went through so they went and acquired Boychuk's $6m cap hit from NYI.  Interestingly, this is Boychuk's last year on his deal (and hasn't played since 19-20) and his total salary is $4m, of which $2.75m is in the form of a signing bonus, which leaves Buffalo then on the hook for only the balance of $1.25m in salary for the rest of the season...a $6m cap hit for ~$1m bucks in real outlay.

This cap is stupid.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 06, 2021, 11:27:14 AM
Quote from: Frank E on November 06, 2021, 10:56:04 AM
So, Buffalo was going to be at below the salary cap floor when the Eichel trade went through so they went and acquired Boychuk's $6m cap hit from NYI.  Interestingly, this is Boychuk's last year on his deal (and hasn't played since 19-20) and his total salary is $4m, of which $2.75m is in the form of a signing bonus, which leaves Buffalo then on the hook for only the balance of $1.25m in salary for the rest of the season...a $6m cap hit for ~$1m bucks in real outlay.

This cap is stupid.

60% of Boychuk's salary is insured too.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on November 06, 2021, 11:40:44 AM

You'll notice, of course, that the NHL doesn't care too much about clear attempts at cap circumvention that violate the "spirit" of the CBA if it involves teams saving rather than spending money.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on November 06, 2021, 11:42:11 AM
Quote from: Deebo on November 06, 2021, 10:41:30 AM
Quote from: Nik on November 06, 2021, 12:12:13 AM
https://twitter.com/BradyTrett/status/1456833585021734913

What Connor McDavid can do to defensemen, chapter 7,321

can you believe all those pathetic rangers d, letting the guy walk through them. just step up and put him on his ass ffs!! those losers are going nowhere unless they toughen up. look at the $8M pylon trouba just waving his stick around and drury gave lazy zibinenjad $8.5, he didnt even skate hard coming of the bench.
Rielly should've been given a $1m extension for getting burned by McDavid 1v1 that one time. Obviously a bad player.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on November 07, 2021, 01:21:09 AM
https://twitter.com/isuckatpicking/status/1456991818130747395
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on November 07, 2021, 04:16:51 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on November 05, 2021, 01:35:31 PM
https://twitter.com/chloewojj/status/1456481235602132993
https://twitter.com/dimfilipovic/status/1457163094795309064
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 09, 2021, 09:44:58 PM
https://twitter.com/bradytrett/status/1458253000732938243
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on November 10, 2021, 05:11:15 PM
Poor guy is the Frank Serivalli of the NHL.

https://twitter.com/AndrewBerkshire/status/1458516984698703872?t=WrheIZBT8XPOp1efnm8Z4Q&s=19
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 10, 2021, 07:16:56 PM
https://twitter.com/dhockey13/status/1458544094288830464
Brett married way up.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on November 11, 2021, 09:31:40 AM
Jesus Christ:

https://twitter.com/MikeKellyNHL/status/1458440232270016512

...he's 19 years old.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 11, 2021, 10:05:27 AM
The kids these days are just such impressive skaters. The difference in the pace of the game now from years past is remarkable.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 11, 2021, 10:31:27 AM
Did anyone else realize the Islanders started the season on a 13 game road trip? They'll be almost 1/3 of the way through their road schedule before they hit home-ice.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on November 11, 2021, 10:41:57 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on November 11, 2021, 10:31:27 AM
Did anyone else realize the Islanders started the season on a 13 game road trip? They'll be almost 1/3 of the way through their road schedule before they hit home-ice.

I'm really kind of surprised they wouldn't have wanted a handful of final games in the old barn before the transition to their new arena.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 11, 2021, 10:42:54 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on November 11, 2021, 10:31:27 AM
Did anyone else realize the Islanders started the season on a 13 game road trip? They'll be almost 1/3 of the way through their road schedule before they hit home-ice.

Believe that's because they wanted some extra time to make sure their new arena was ready.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 11, 2021, 10:45:48 AM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1458821022933737477
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 11, 2021, 10:47:02 AM
Quote from: L K on November 11, 2021, 10:41:57 AM
I'm really kind of surprised they wouldn't have wanted a handful of final games in the old barn before the transition to their new arena.

Yeah. Even just to break up the road trip a little. Starting the season with 13 away games feels sub-ideal - and in the Metro, potentially enough to cost the team a playoff spot (especially given the .565 P% home teams have put up so far this season). It hasn't actually cost them much, but it definitely could have.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 11, 2021, 10:50:58 AM
7 of 8 teams in the Metro being .600 or over is pretty crazy. And the 8th place team, Pittsburgh, isn't too behind either while dealing with a ton of injuries/covid stuff. Obviously early days and all though.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 11, 2021, 03:30:12 PM
https://twitter.com/jimmathesonnhl/status/1458890517408731136

Edmonton's finest.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on November 11, 2021, 03:41:06 PM

Eh. I get why people are dunking on him and everything but there is a part of me that thinks that "two" is shorter than "multi" so why write "multi year" if you're not trying to make the deal, and the supposed gamble, look worse than it is?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 13, 2021, 11:41:09 AM
I don't know where to put this. It is very nice.
https://twitter.com/khlreplays/status/1459504748294545421
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on November 14, 2021, 11:32:48 AM
So it looks like the Canucks are the tire fire of this season.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 14, 2021, 12:20:18 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on November 14, 2021, 11:32:48 AM
So it looks like the Canucks are the tire fire of this season.

Well, they haven't lost to Arizona yet...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on November 14, 2021, 01:40:35 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on November 14, 2021, 12:20:18 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on November 14, 2021, 11:32:48 AM
So it looks like the Canucks are the tire fire of this season.

Well, they haven't lost to Arizona yet...

I don't count Arizona as an nhl team. I'm just operating under the assumption that one day they'll cease to be.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 14, 2021, 02:52:45 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on November 14, 2021, 01:40:35 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on November 14, 2021, 12:20:18 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on November 14, 2021, 11:32:48 AM
So it looks like the Canucks are the tire fire of this season.

Well, they haven't lost to Arizona yet...

I don't count Arizona as an nhl team. I'm just operating under the assumption that one day they'll cease to be.

I guess that's fair.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on November 14, 2021, 10:37:52 PM
Over their last 3 games the canucks have been out scored 19-6.

I guess Green will be the next coach on the way out?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 15, 2021, 10:02:22 AM
Quote from: Joe S. on November 14, 2021, 10:37:52 PM
Over their last 3 games the canucks have been out scored 19-6.

I guess Green will be the next coach on the way out?

They remind me a little of the Burke-Nonis-Carlyle era Leafs - a number of talented pieces, but a terribly constructed team.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on November 16, 2021, 12:49:22 AM
Buffalo is averaging 7,921 in attendance.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 16, 2021, 09:45:48 AM
Quote from: Deebo on November 16, 2021, 12:49:22 AM
Buffalo is averaging 7,921 in attendance.

Didn't realize there were that many masochists in the Buffalo area.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on November 16, 2021, 09:55:34 AM
https://twitter.com/theScore/status/1460616176736813057

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on November 16, 2021, 10:49:35 AM
Pretty good career. 1000+ games and almost 500 points.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 16, 2021, 01:35:14 PM
https://twitter.com/PeteBlackburn/status/1460675428004290561
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 16, 2021, 01:39:01 PM
"I'm bad at my job," no one admitted in real life.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on November 16, 2021, 02:55:35 PM
https://twitter.com/MikeMartignago/status/1460676969410875392

Vancouver really isn't have a good... *****this comment has been cancelled by the Canucks*****
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 16, 2021, 03:04:57 PM
Quote from: L K on November 16, 2021, 02:55:35 PM
https://twitter.com/MikeMartignago/status/1460676969410875392

Ottawa West
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 16, 2021, 03:34:54 PM
https://twitter.com/StLouisBlues/status/1460699270856781827
I don't know why Dubas wanted to sign him so badly for that much money, but I'm glad he Dave Bollanded himself.

Edit: lmao
https://twitter.com/mapleleafs/status/1460718142288715778
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on November 16, 2021, 04:30:55 PM
Quote from: herman on November 16, 2021, 03:34:54 PM
https://twitter.com/StLouisBlues/status/1460699270856781827
I don't know why Dubas wanted to sign him so badly for that much money, but I'm glad he Dave Bollanded himself.

Edit: lmao
https://twitter.com/mapleleafs/status/1460718142288715778
What money? I don't remember Dubas offering much and that's why he went to St Louis. As for signing him at all, he was one of the few that played hard during the CBJ series.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 16, 2021, 06:18:32 PM
1+M AAV for 3 yrs
https://www.reddit.com/r/leafs/comments/j5tr0o/mirtle_according_to_multiple_sources_the_leafs/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on November 19, 2021, 06:38:58 AM
Rick Bowness with the Mike Babcock special last night as he leads his team to a 7-2 teeth kicking loss.

One of their prospects Riley Tufte is from Minnesota.  They are playing in Minnesota last night.  He just got called up last week.  Was told in the morning that he would be playing so he spent all his callup money on tickets for friends/family to be at the game.  Has a bunch of media availability in the morning and talks extensively about how huge it is to play in his home state.  Bowness tells him he's scratched in the afternoon and after the game blames the decision on his assistant coaches. 

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 19, 2021, 11:31:13 AM
Quote from: L K on November 19, 2021, 06:38:58 AM
Rick Bowness with the Mike Babcock special last night as he leads his team to a 7-2 teeth kicking loss.

One of their prospects Riley Tufte is from Minnesota.  They are playing in Minnesota last night.  He just got called up last week.  Was told in the morning that he would be playing so he spent all his callup money on tickets for friends/family to be at the game.  Has a bunch of media availability in the morning and talks extensively about how huge it is to play in his home state.  Bowness tells him he's scratched in the afternoon and after the game blames the decision on his assistant coaches.

Bowness is a terrible coach, so no surprise. He's made the playoffs twice in parts of 11 seasons behind the bench as head coach (coming into this season).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on November 19, 2021, 12:32:42 PM
Draisaitl has 17 goals in 16 games so far this season.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 19, 2021, 12:45:32 PM
Quote from: Frank E on November 19, 2021, 12:32:42 PM
Draisaitl has 17 goals in 16 games so far this season.

It's funny to remember that the Oilers were initially criticized a decent amount for signing him to his current contract.

Now it's funny to think about how they wasted half of it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on November 20, 2021, 09:35:39 AM
https://twitter.com/scottcwheeler/status/1461702180692443136

I like Ian Mendes, but the accusation of Toronto bias keeping Alfredsson out of the HHOF is cringey.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on November 20, 2021, 10:46:09 AM

If anything you'd think a Toronto bias would help Alfredsson as it's really only within the context of the Leafs-Sens rivalry that Alfredsson was a particularly important player.

Other than that Alfredsson's career is really the story of a guy who was frequently only the 2nd or 3rd best forward on his own team.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on November 20, 2021, 10:58:03 AM
Quote from: Nik on November 20, 2021, 10:46:09 AM

If anything you'd think a Toronto bias would help Alfredsson as it's really only within the context of the Leafs-Sens rivalry that Alfredsson was a particularly important player.

Other than that Alfredsson's career is really the story of a guy who was frequently only the 2nd or 3rd best forward on his own team.
I think he has a 50/50 shot and may get in eventually. Does he not have a decent international career as well?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 20, 2021, 11:19:19 AM
Quote from: Nik on November 20, 2021, 10:46:09 AM

If anything you'd think a Toronto bias would help Alfredsson as it's really only within the context of the Leafs-Sens rivalry that Alfredsson was a particularly important player.

Other than that Alfredsson's career is really the story of a guy who was frequently only the 2nd or 3rd best forward on his own team.

Yeah. His career numbers are good but not HHOF good, and without much serious consideration for any major end of season awards, his case is just not great. Hall of Very Good, but not Hall of Fame.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on November 20, 2021, 11:38:18 AM
https://twitter.com/arda/status/1461811205320937486

Please just move Arizona there.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on November 20, 2021, 11:38:30 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on November 20, 2021, 11:19:19 AM
Quote from: Nik on November 20, 2021, 10:46:09 AM

If anything you'd think a Toronto bias would help Alfredsson as it's really only within the context of the Leafs-Sens rivalry that Alfredsson was a particularly important player.

Other than that Alfredsson's career is really the story of a guy who was frequently only the 2nd or 3rd best forward on his own team.

Yeah. His career numbers are good but not HHOF good, and without much serious consideration for any major end of season awards, his case is just not great. Hall of Very Good, but not Hall of Fame.
Couldn't you say that to some degree about Sundin though?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 20, 2021, 11:46:09 AM
Quote from: Bender on November 20, 2021, 11:38:30 AMCouldn't you say that to some degree about Sundin though?

Sundin cracked 500 goals and a career point per game player, and was clearly the best player on his team for most of his career. Throw in his captaining the Swedish international team for years, and he has a much stronger case than Alfredsson's career as a second fiddle.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on November 20, 2021, 11:48:52 AM
Quote from: Bender on November 20, 2021, 10:58:03 AM
I think he has a 50/50 shot and may get in eventually.

He may but if he does I think part of the reason is because of the Canadian media attention. If you compare him to someone like Patrik Elias, who I don't think a lot of people are lining up to put in the HOF, I'm not sure there's a real edge to Alfredsson.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on November 20, 2021, 11:53:14 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on November 20, 2021, 11:46:09 AM
Quote from: Bender on November 20, 2021, 11:38:30 AMCouldn't you say that to some degree about Sundin though?

Sundin cracked 500 goals and a career point per game player, and was clearly the best player on his team for most of his career. Throw in his captaining the Swedish international team for years, and he has a much stronger case than Alfredsson's career as a second fiddle.

I actually think looking at their international careers is a pretty good way to gauge them as players because, at least to one extent or another, you're putting them in a somewhat neutral context.

Sundin played 79 games for Sweden's Men's Senior team, scoring 43 goals and 94 points for a 45 goal/98 point per 82 game pace.

Alfredsson played 88 games for the Sweden's Mens team and scored at a 30 goal/69 point pace per 82.

That may exaggerate the difference between them by a bit but, honestly, not by much.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Peter D. on November 20, 2021, 04:31:26 PM
Quote from: Bender on November 20, 2021, 11:38:30 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on November 20, 2021, 11:19:19 AM
Quote from: Nik on November 20, 2021, 10:46:09 AM

If anything you'd think a Toronto bias would help Alfredsson as it's really only within the context of the Leafs-Sens rivalry that Alfredsson was a particularly important player.

Other than that Alfredsson's career is really the story of a guy who was frequently only the 2nd or 3rd best forward on his own team.

Yeah. His career numbers are good but not HHOF good, and without much serious consideration for any major end of season awards, his case is just not great. Hall of Very Good, but not Hall of Fame.
Couldn't you say that to some degree about Sundin though?

Modano is more of a guy I'm say it applies to more than Sundin. But he has a Cup so somehow that makes him an automatic whereas Sundin and Alfredsson had/have that held against them.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on November 21, 2021, 09:44:10 PM
https://twitter.com/avatarrant/status/1462187085725581315
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on November 22, 2021, 01:00:21 AM
https://twitter.com/dylanfremlin/status/1462624337647878150
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on November 22, 2021, 08:33:41 AM
Calgary has 7 shutouts in 19 games played so far this year.  They are 0-2-3 against their own conference and 11-1-2 against the East
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 22, 2021, 08:36:41 AM
Quote from: L K on November 22, 2021, 08:33:41 AM
Calgary has 7 shutouts in 19 games played so far this year.  They are 0-2-3 against their own conference and 11-1-2 against the East

Wait... they've played just 5 games against their own conference so far?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on November 22, 2021, 09:21:45 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on November 22, 2021, 08:36:41 AM
Quote from: L K on November 22, 2021, 08:33:41 AM
Calgary has 7 shutouts in 19 games played so far this year.  They are 0-2-3 against their own conference and 11-1-2 against the East

Wait... they've played just 5 games against their own conference so far?

The NHL is awesome at schedules.

Flyers x2, Rangers x2, Boston, Buffalo, Detroit, Montreal, Islanders, Senators, Penguins, Leafs, Capitals

Anaheim, Edmonton, Nashville, San Jose, Dallas

So only 3 games against their own division essentially a 1/4 of the way through the season.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on November 22, 2021, 09:35:35 AM
Also how is it that Boston has played 5 fewer games than the Leafs?  Are they ever going to catch up or just cut the season short for them?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on November 22, 2021, 09:37:51 AM
Quote from: Zee on November 22, 2021, 09:35:35 AM
Also how is it that Boston has played 5 fewer games than the Leafs?  Are they ever going to catch up or just cut the season short for them?

It got brought up in the Leafs schedule thread but Colorado with 14 GP.  They play almost as many games in December as they do in the first month and a half of the year.  The schedule is stupid this year. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 22, 2021, 09:40:56 AM
One fun thing I found was that the Leafs don't play Florida, who they could be battling with for the top spot in the Atlantic division, until March 27th (game 65 of the season).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on November 22, 2021, 09:44:23 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on November 22, 2021, 09:40:56 AM
One fun thing I found was that the Leafs don't play Florida, who they could be battling with for the top spot in the Atlantic division, until March 27th (game 65 of the season).

You would have found this out earlier had you followed Zee's handy dandy 10 game chunk thread.  ;)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on November 22, 2021, 10:15:17 AM

Not to put too fine a point on it or anything but the NHL was always right when they said that shutting down for the Olympics was kind of stupid.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on November 22, 2021, 11:43:21 AM
Florida has scored 20 more goals than the Leafs have, and have allowed only 2 more goals than the Leafs, in 2 fewer games played.

Ekblad is back on his game with 5g and 15 points in 18 games, playing 25mins per.

That team looks good.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/standings
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 22, 2021, 12:11:37 PM
https://twitter.com/taj1944/status/1462809987160236045

Sounds like a totally healthy and not at all dysfunctional organization.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on November 22, 2021, 12:24:20 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on November 22, 2021, 12:11:37 PM
https://twitter.com/taj1944/status/1462809987160236045

Sounds like a totally healthy and not at all dysfunctional organization.

Sounds like a power struggle at a prisoner camp.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on November 22, 2021, 12:56:16 PM
Also on the expect goal front:

Calgary at 5 on 5: 40 goals for, 18 goals against
Calgary eGF at 5 on 5: 38.65 goals for, 33.91 goals against

They have a +17.26 goals differential above actual

(Leafs are at -13.06)

Seattle is league worst at -19.8 despite
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 23, 2021, 11:16:42 AM
https://twitter.com/thehockeyexpert/status/1462996835031789568
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 23, 2021, 12:08:01 PM
Nice of him to hold up there. He could have really done some damage to that net.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on November 23, 2021, 12:26:33 PM
Quote from: herman on November 23, 2021, 11:16:42 AM
https://twitter.com/thehockeyexpert/status/1462996835031789568

His former method seems to be more effective.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 23, 2021, 02:43:26 PM
https://twitter.com/archdigest/status/1463193557158842373
(http://www.marieclaire.com.au/media/84003/dakota-johnson-limes.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on November 23, 2021, 05:41:25 PM
Quote from: Nik on November 22, 2021, 10:15:17 AM

Not to put too fine a point on it or anything but the NHL was always right when they said that shutting down for the Olympics was kind of stupid.

It was always because the players want to go though, right?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 23, 2021, 07:55:49 PM
https://twitter.com/tsn_sports/status/1463308436712660996
(https://static3.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Community-The-Greendale-Flag-Was-Redesigned.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=740&h=370&dpr=1.5)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on November 24, 2021, 11:59:56 AM
Quote from: herman on November 23, 2021, 02:43:26 PM
https://twitter.com/archdigest/status/1463193557158842373
(http://www.marieclaire.com.au/media/84003/dakota-johnson-limes.jpg)
Nitpicking the tweet, but I feel like there is a maximum square footage above which a house can no longer be described as "cozy".
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on November 24, 2021, 12:58:28 PM
Quote from: Frank E on November 23, 2021, 05:41:25 PM
Quote from: Nik on November 22, 2021, 10:15:17 AM

Not to put too fine a point on it or anything but the NHL was always right when they said that shutting down for the Olympics was kind of stupid.

It was always because the players want to go though, right?

I guess it depends on what you mean but I think the answer is no either way. NHL participation in the Olympics was initially I think a NHL decision because they thought it would be good for the game but shutting down for the Olympics was always the NHL's choice because theoretically they could have just scheduled things as normal but let the Olympic players go and effectively compete with the Olympics similar to what the league did in 2018. You might argue that would be worse as the NHL would have a few weeks of trying to sell games with all the best players absent but if you compare that to the increased injury risk of a compressed season I don't know which is ultimately better for the league.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 24, 2021, 06:36:14 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on November 22, 2021, 12:11:37 PM
https://twitter.com/taj1944/status/1462809987160236045

Sounds like a totally healthy and not at all dysfunctional organization.

https://twitter.com/taj1944/status/1463609685634736128
Two 1sts for Erik Gudbranson let's go
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 25, 2021, 11:19:45 AM
https://twitter.com/timandfriends/status/1463715283957395466

The quote itself, meh. The way he says it, yikes.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on November 25, 2021, 02:24:50 PM
https://twitter.com/ThomasDrance/status/1463933631475294210

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on November 25, 2021, 02:27:49 PM
Quote from: Nik on November 25, 2021, 02:24:50 PM
https://twitter.com/ThomasDrance/status/1463933631475294210

Canucks have devolved to the status of Junior High Basketball team.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 25, 2021, 02:30:36 PM
Miller was this close to being on back-to-back Stanley Cup winning teams. Poor guy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 26, 2021, 01:01:16 PM
Quote from: herman on November 23, 2021, 07:55:49 PM
https://twitter.com/tsn_sports/status/1463308436712660996

https://twitter.com/seanshapiro/status/1463125302918451206

Which is worse?

That being said, I'd totally buy this if it was real:

https://twitter.com/NJDevils/status/1463196072273133576
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on November 26, 2021, 02:46:47 PM
I like all the jerseys. The white Canada jersey is sharp looking.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: louisstamos on November 26, 2021, 02:48:36 PM
Thanks to the Steve Dangle podcast, all I see when I look at the Team Canada logo is a turkey's butt.  That aside, I agree - the white one in particular looks great!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 26, 2021, 03:51:58 PM
https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/1464334299893743622
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on November 26, 2021, 05:00:22 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on November 26, 2021, 02:46:47 PM
I like all the jerseys. The white Canada jersey is sharp looking.

I agree that the white jersey is pretty snazzy but am I the only one who thinks the red is the wrong shade of red?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 26, 2021, 07:35:26 PM
https://twitter.com/nhlgifs/status/1464386838144159749
When you find the blind spot in the sentries...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on November 27, 2021, 08:25:03 AM
No Leafs game on a Saturday night is weird but the potential of the Habs getting embarrassed on hockey night in Canada is enticing as well
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on November 27, 2021, 10:26:37 AM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1464404461389033479
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on November 30, 2021, 05:17:22 AM
Marchand banned 3 games for slew-footing
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on November 30, 2021, 08:41:24 AM
Jets outshot Arizona 45-15 and lost 1-0. See, it doesn't only happen to the leafs.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on November 30, 2021, 09:03:44 AM
Quote from: Joe S. on November 30, 2021, 08:41:24 AM
Jets outshot Arizona 45-15 and lost 1-0. See, it doesn't only happen to the leafs.

They also lost 7-1 a few days ago.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 30, 2021, 11:21:24 AM
Quote from: Deebo on November 30, 2021, 09:03:44 AM
Quote from: Joe S. on November 30, 2021, 08:41:24 AM
Jets outshot Arizona 45-15 and lost 1-0. See, it doesn't only happen to the leafs.

They also lost 7-1 a few days ago.

They're also on pace to miss the playoffs. 5th in the division in P%.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 30, 2021, 01:23:00 PM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1465736392902856709
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 30, 2021, 06:36:48 PM
Jack Hughes 8x8
https://twitter.com/pierrevlebrun/status/1465802654353965060

Let's take a look at Hughes stats so far...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 01, 2021, 07:28:42 PM
https://twitter.com/detroitredwings/status/1466195168697237505
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on December 02, 2021, 08:59:33 AM
Quote from: herman on November 30, 2021, 06:36:48 PM
Jack Hughes 8x8

Let's take a look at Hughes stats so far...

That is genuinely remarkable. I took a flyer on Hughes for fantasy hockey this year because I thought he might have a breakout year and he's looked good in the few games he's played but, like, he's really done not much in his two years. I guess the Devils have a ton of confidence in him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 02, 2021, 09:13:55 AM
Quote from: Nik on December 02, 2021, 08:59:33 AM
Quote from: herman on November 30, 2021, 06:36:48 PM
Jack Hughes 8x8

Let's take a look at Hughes stats so far...

That is genuinely remarkable. I took a flyer on Hughes for fantasy hockey this year because I thought he might have a breakout year and he's looked good in the few games he's played but, like, he's really done not much in his two years. I guess the Devils have a ton of confidence in him.

His production isn't there, but his underlying on-ice shot metrics and his microstats are solid enough they felt there's a platform to warrant this bet. I think it still takes him another 2 years to make this look good. NJD in the meantime doesn't really care about the cap hit and still have room to land Quinn to collect all the Hughes.

He was more of a 6x6 bet to me, so if he's good you pay a bit more on the next deal but it's all for prime years, rather than trying to figure out what that next cap hit looks like in his waning days. Generally, 8 year deals coming off the ELC is stupid for both player and team.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 02, 2021, 09:39:49 AM
https://twitter.com/EricMacramalla/status/1466407509175021572
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on December 02, 2021, 09:51:10 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 02, 2021, 09:39:49 AM
https://twitter.com/EricMacramalla/status/1466407509175021572

The suburb of L'Houston, Quebec?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on December 02, 2021, 09:54:26 AM
Quote from: Arn on December 02, 2021, 09:51:10 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 02, 2021, 09:39:49 AM
https://twitter.com/EricMacramalla/status/1466407509175021572

The suburb of L'Houston, Quebec?

L'Houstonne
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on December 02, 2021, 10:06:38 AM

I mean...at some point you have to think the NHL just gets the picture. The Coyotes have been there for almost a quarter of a century. Hockey doesn't seem to work there. It's a successful league otherwise. Why would they keep fighting for these headlines every 6 months.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 02, 2021, 10:17:45 AM
Failed experiment, yes, but it worked out for Toronto!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on December 02, 2021, 04:27:09 PM
Buffalo knows best guys:

https://twitter.com/SinBinVegas/status/1466492116083695617
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on December 02, 2021, 05:26:32 PM
Vegas still in playoff hunt...I wonder what the current timetable looks like?

What are your thoughts Dr. LK?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on December 02, 2021, 06:49:48 PM
Quote from: Frank E on December 02, 2021, 05:26:32 PM
Vegas still in playoff hunt...I wonder what the current timetable looks like?

What are your thoughts Dr. LK?

That's kind of like when friends phone me and ask me if they can knock out the column in their basement. Probably needs more info.  8)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on December 02, 2021, 06:57:03 PM
When I saw the "Bolts" stadium series shirt I thought it was pretty bad.

Then I saw the "Smashville" one and ugh.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 02, 2021, 11:53:11 PM
Quote from: Arn on December 02, 2021, 06:57:03 PM
When I saw the "Bolts" stadium series shirt I thought it was pretty bad.

Then I saw the "Smashville" one and ugh.
https://twitter.com/bestofmatt/status/1466534383519604737

Banish them to the ECHL.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on December 03, 2021, 07:41:21 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on December 02, 2021, 11:53:11 PM
Quote from: Arn on December 02, 2021, 06:57:03 PM
When I saw the "Bolts" stadium series shirt I thought it was pretty bad.

Then I saw the "Smashville" one and ugh.
https://twitter.com/bestofmatt/status/1466534383519604737

Banish them to the ECHL.
Like who's designing these?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 03, 2021, 07:43:36 AM
Quote from: Bender on December 03, 2021, 07:41:21 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on December 02, 2021, 11:53:11 PM
Quote from: Arn on December 02, 2021, 06:57:03 PM
When I saw the "Bolts" stadium series shirt I thought it was pretty bad.

Then I saw the "Smashville" one and ugh.
https://twitter.com/bestofmatt/status/1466534383519604737

Banish them to the ECHL.
Like who's designing these?

Martin Brodeur. Seriously. He had a big hand in the Jersey jersey - which I actually don't hate, it's just hilarious.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on December 03, 2021, 08:27:55 AM
Quote from: Bullfrog on December 02, 2021, 06:49:48 PM
Quote from: Frank E on December 02, 2021, 05:26:32 PM
Vegas still in playoff hunt...I wonder what the current timetable looks like?

What are your thoughts Dr. LK?

That's kind of like when friends phone me and ask me if they can knock out the column in their basement. Probably needs more info.  8)

Definitely need more info.  I am not a orthospine neurosurgeon so outside of personal interest he seems to be slightly ahead of schedule for getting on the ice with equipment but the only thing that is going to mean anything is whether he can take physical contact and avoid neck re-injury.

It is a terrible look for the Sabres though that he is back on the ice already
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 03, 2021, 09:03:11 AM
https://twitter.com/JShannonhl/status/1466769038034538496

Okay.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on December 03, 2021, 09:59:48 AM
Quote from: Bullfrog on December 02, 2021, 06:49:48 PM
Quote from: Frank E on December 02, 2021, 05:26:32 PM
Vegas still in playoff hunt...I wonder what the current timetable looks like?

What are your thoughts Dr. LK?

That's kind of like when friends phone me and ask me if they can knock out the column in their basement. Probably needs more info.  8)

Listen here, Thunder Bay, I recall LK having some opinions on the subject matter.  I was asking for thoughts, not a prognosis.  Although, along the lines of your friends' asks, I will tell you I get asked all the time what car is the best...like just like that...what car is the best Frank?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 03, 2021, 10:06:12 AM
Quote from: Frank E on December 03, 2021, 09:59:48 AM
Quote from: Bullfrog on December 02, 2021, 06:49:48 PM
Quote from: Frank E on December 02, 2021, 05:26:32 PM
Vegas still in playoff hunt...I wonder what the current timetable looks like?

What are your thoughts Dr. LK?

That's kind of like when friends phone me and ask me if they can knock out the column in their basement. Probably needs more info.  8)

Listen here, Thunder Bay, I recall LK having some opinions on the subject matter.  I was asking for thoughts, not a prognosis.  Although, along the lines of your friends' asks, I will tell you I get asked all the time what car is the best...like just like that...what car is the best Frank?

Well... what car is best?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 03, 2021, 10:13:01 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 03, 2021, 10:06:12 AM
Quote from: Frank E on December 03, 2021, 09:59:48 AM
Quote from: Bullfrog on December 02, 2021, 06:49:48 PM
Quote from: Frank E on December 02, 2021, 05:26:32 PM
Vegas still in playoff hunt...I wonder what the current timetable looks like?

What are your thoughts Dr. LK?

That's kind of like when friends phone me and ask me if they can knock out the column in their basement. Probably needs more info.  8)

Listen here, Thunder Bay, I recall LK having some opinions on the subject matter.  I was asking for thoughts, not a prognosis.  Although, along the lines of your friends' asks, I will tell you I get asked all the time what car is the best...like just like that...what car is the best Frank?

Well... what car is best?

(https://c.tenor.com/oozZdDdB3y4AAAAC/itysl-i-think-you-should-leave.gif)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on December 03, 2021, 10:33:05 AM
All of you hurry up with this Eichel neck nonsense, I have a weird rash on my knee I want LK to take a look at.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on December 03, 2021, 10:40:29 AM
Quote from: Nik on December 03, 2021, 10:33:05 AM
All of you hurry up with this Eichel neck nonsense, I have a weird rash on my knee I want LK to take a look at.

I'm not a doc per se, but I'm pretty sure that's Knee Cancer.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on December 03, 2021, 10:52:40 AM
Quote from: Nik on December 03, 2021, 10:33:05 AM
All of you hurry up with this Eichel neck nonsense, I have a weird rash on my knee I want LK to take a look at.

While I applaud your support for fellow human beings, no one can see you kneeling during the national anthem in your house.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 03, 2021, 11:01:38 AM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on December 03, 2021, 10:40:29 AM
Quote from: Nik on December 03, 2021, 10:33:05 AM
All of you hurry up with this Eichel neck nonsense, I have a weird rash on my knee I want LK to take a look at.

I'm not a doc per se, but I'm pretty sure that's Knee Cancer.

Whatever it is, it's clearly terminal
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on December 03, 2021, 11:09:16 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 03, 2021, 10:06:12 AM
Quote from: Frank E on December 03, 2021, 09:59:48 AM
Quote from: Bullfrog on December 02, 2021, 06:49:48 PM
Quote from: Frank E on December 02, 2021, 05:26:32 PM
Vegas still in playoff hunt...I wonder what the current timetable looks like?

What are your thoughts Dr. LK?

That's kind of like when friends phone me and ask me if they can knock out the column in their basement. Probably needs more info.  8)

Listen here, Thunder Bay, I recall LK having some opinions on the subject matter.  I was asking for thoughts, not a prognosis.  Although, along the lines of your friends' asks, I will tell you I get asked all the time what car is the best...like just like that...what car is the best Frank?

Well... what car is best?

I will tell you something mildly interesting... a certain Maple Leaf will have a very expensive brand new vehicle in his driveway in January that I have on order.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Rob on December 03, 2021, 11:34:31 AM
Quote from: Frank E on December 03, 2021, 11:09:16 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 03, 2021, 10:06:12 AM
Quote from: Frank E on December 03, 2021, 09:59:48 AM
Quote from: Bullfrog on December 02, 2021, 06:49:48 PM
Quote from: Frank E on December 02, 2021, 05:26:32 PM
Vegas still in playoff hunt...I wonder what the current timetable looks like?

What are your thoughts Dr. LK?

That's kind of like when friends phone me and ask me if they can knock out the column in their basement. Probably needs more info.  8)

Listen here, Thunder Bay, I recall LK having some opinions on the subject matter.  I was asking for thoughts, not a prognosis.  Although, along the lines of your friends' asks, I will tell you I get asked all the time what car is the best...like just like that...what car is the best Frank?

Well... what car is best?

I will tell you something mildly interesting... a certain Maple Leaf will have a very expensive brand new vehicle in his driveway in January that I have on order.

JT is getting a Prius?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on December 03, 2021, 11:41:13 AM
So I was fooling around on capfriendly trying to figure out how to turn Justin Holl into Jeff Petry given the likely sell-off of assets over in habs land...then I had a look at his stats.

2020-21 = 12g + 30a = 42 in 55 games
2021-22 = 0g + 2a = 2 in 25 games

Maybe not so much now.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on December 03, 2021, 11:46:56 AM
Quote from: Rob on December 03, 2021, 11:34:31 AM
JT is getting a Prius?

Matthews is getting a combine harvester.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 03, 2021, 12:18:36 PM
Quote from: Nik on December 03, 2021, 11:46:56 AM
Quote from: Rob on December 03, 2021, 11:34:31 AM
JT is getting a Prius?

Matthews is getting a combine harvester.

A Lexus combine harvester.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on December 03, 2021, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: Nik on December 02, 2021, 10:06:38 AM

I mean...at some point you have to think the NHL just gets the picture. The Coyotes have been there for almost a quarter of a century. Hockey doesn't seem to work there. It's a successful league otherwise. Why would they keep fighting for these headlines every 6 months.

Because Bettman?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on December 03, 2021, 12:43:54 PM
Quote from: Frank E on December 03, 2021, 11:09:16 AM
I will tell you something mildly interesting... a certain Maple Leaf will have a very expensive brand new vehicle in his driveway in January that I have on order.

Suped up K-car?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on December 03, 2021, 12:47:45 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on December 03, 2021, 12:18:36 PM
Quote from: Nik on December 03, 2021, 11:46:56 AM
Quote from: Rob on December 03, 2021, 11:34:31 AM
JT is getting a Prius?

Matthews is getting a combine harvester.

A Lexus combine harvester.

With a Tesla sidecar for Mitchy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on December 03, 2021, 12:55:54 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on December 03, 2021, 12:47:45 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on December 03, 2021, 12:18:36 PM
Quote from: Nik on December 03, 2021, 11:46:56 AM
Quote from: Rob on December 03, 2021, 11:34:31 AM
JT is getting a Prius?

Matthews is getting a combine harvester.

A Lexus combine harvester.

With a Tesla sidecar for Mitchy.


Mitchy is getting one of these: https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/2/22813719/tesla-cyberquad-for-kids-pricing-features-availability (https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/2/22813719/tesla-cyberquad-for-kids-pricing-features-availability)


Also, the best car is a 2016 Audi A7 TDI. All-wheel drive, hybrid fuel economy, fun to drive, can tow (3,900lbs braked), good trunk space. Missing a manual transmission.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on December 03, 2021, 01:15:59 PM
Quote from: Dappleganger on December 03, 2021, 12:55:54 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on December 03, 2021, 12:47:45 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on December 03, 2021, 12:18:36 PM
Quote from: Nik on December 03, 2021, 11:46:56 AM
Quote from: Rob on December 03, 2021, 11:34:31 AM
JT is getting a Prius?

Matthews is getting a combine harvester.

A Lexus combine harvester.

With a Tesla sidecar for Mitchy.


Mitchy is getting one of these: https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/2/22813719/tesla-cyberquad-for-kids-pricing-features-availability (https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/2/22813719/tesla-cyberquad-for-kids-pricing-features-availability)


Also, the best car is a 2016 Audi A7 TDI. All-wheel drive, hybrid fuel economy, fun to drive, can tow (3,900lbs braked), good trunk space. Missing a manual transmission.



That's a deal-killer for me, I really like driving a stick.

But do they even make those any more?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on December 03, 2021, 01:26:25 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on December 03, 2021, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: Nik on December 02, 2021, 10:06:38 AM

I mean...at some point you have to think the NHL just gets the picture. The Coyotes have been there for almost a quarter of a century. Hockey doesn't seem to work there. It's a successful league otherwise. Why would they keep fighting for these headlines every 6 months.

Because Bettman?

I guess but Bettman doesn't seem like the overly sentimental type. When they didn't have a viable path forward in Atlanta the team left, pretty matter of fact. I know some people want to tie Bettman's tenure to the Coyotes in particular but I've never got the sense that was something he was particularly hung up on.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on December 03, 2021, 02:11:11 PM
The Blackhawks just let Tyler Johnson have disc replacement surgery so now we have an N of 2 to evaluate how hockey players recover.

Nik I'll let you know about your joint pain but it's going to have to be in private.  Have to keep that information on a knee to know basis
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on December 03, 2021, 03:08:57 PM
Quote from: L K on December 03, 2021, 02:11:11 PM
Nik I'll let you know about your joint pain but it's going to have to be in private.  Have to keep that information on a knee to know basis

I just need to be in good enough shape to play 1st line minutes for the Sabres.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on December 03, 2021, 03:17:41 PM
Quote from: Nik on December 03, 2021, 01:26:25 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on December 03, 2021, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: Nik on December 02, 2021, 10:06:38 AM

I mean...at some point you have to think the NHL just gets the picture. The Coyotes have been there for almost a quarter of a century. Hockey doesn't seem to work there. It's a successful league otherwise. Why would they keep fighting for these headlines every 6 months.

Because Bettman?

I guess but Bettman doesn't seem like the overly sentimental type. When they didn't have a viable path forward in Atlanta the team left, pretty matter of fact. I know some people want to tie Bettman's tenure to the Coyotes in particular but I've never got the sense that was something he was particularly hung up on.

I was mostly trying to be funny. But it seems to me that he's been stubbornly trying to keep the team in Arizona despite every indication that this was a failed venture. It almost seemed personal at times. This is all conjecture from memory so I don't have anything tangible to back this up.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on December 03, 2021, 03:43:42 PM
Quote from: Nik on December 03, 2021, 03:08:57 PM
Quote from: L K on December 03, 2021, 02:11:11 PM
Nik I'll let you know about your joint pain but it's going to have to be in private.  Have to keep that information on a knee to know basis

I just need to be in good enough shape to play 1st line minutes for the Sabres.

Have you tried beer? Might help ease the pain. Will likely not affect your skating.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on December 03, 2021, 04:24:57 PM
You guys are in good form today.

Sent from my moto g(7) power using Tapatalk

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Highlander on December 03, 2021, 06:55:50 PM
As someone who has spent a lot of time in AZ over the past 10 years and seen many hockey games at Gila, I believe there is a future for the team.  When they were located downtown at what is now the Talking Sticks Arena, they were drawing a lot of fans.  However, I say this knowing that Phoenix, Scottsdale, Tempe, etc. are growing at an exponential rate, the most growth in the US over the last several years. Corporation after Corporation are moving there, the population is growing and many of these people are from hockey areas of the N.E.  In 5 more years with a new arena in a better area, it will work. 
But then again I could be wrong.  Hockey in a desert can work, cause it works in Vegas, albeit for different reasons.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on December 03, 2021, 08:49:05 PM
Quote from: Nik on December 03, 2021, 03:08:57 PM
Quote from: L K on December 03, 2021, 02:11:11 PM
Nik I'll let you know about your joint pain but it's going to have to be in private.  Have to keep that information on a knee to know basis

I just need to be in good enough shape to play 1st line minutes for the Sabres.

Just do a few wind sprints before puck drop and you should be good to go.  We generally don't recommend surgery for ACL tears in Buffalo
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on December 03, 2021, 08:50:43 PM
Quote from: Highlander on December 03, 2021, 06:55:50 PM
When they were located downtown at what is now the Talking Sticks Arena, they were drawing a lot of fans.

So this isn't particularly true. ESPN's attendance figures only go back to 2000 but their last few years in Downtown Phoenix they were basically drawing about as much as they have for most of their history in Glendale, give or take about 1,000 people, which is a pretty far cry from "a lot". They may have been drawing more before that but, if so, that's pretty clearly just a bump from being new in town.   ​

Regardless, the difference between being financially viable or not isn't the 2000 or so fans that would bump the Coyotes attendance up to middling levels.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 06, 2021, 09:15:48 AM
Islanders are now 0-8-3 in their last 11 games. Yikes.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on December 06, 2021, 09:23:45 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 06, 2021, 09:15:48 AM
Islanders are now 0-8-3 in their last 11 games. Yikes.
But what if we had Lou?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 06, 2021, 09:41:52 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 06, 2021, 09:15:48 AM
Islanders are now 0-8-3 in their last 11 games. Yikes.

It's almost like loading your roster with role players and declining (or, in some cases, should have already retired) veterans while letting many of your skilled offensive pieces go isn't a great recipe for success...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on December 06, 2021, 09:46:47 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on December 06, 2021, 09:41:52 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 06, 2021, 09:15:48 AM
Islanders are now 0-8-3 in their last 11 games. Yikes.

It's almost like loading your roster with role players and declining (or, in some cases, should have already retired) veterans while letting many of your skilled offensive pieces go isn't a great recipe for success...

Matthews has scored 8 goals since he realized that he would need to shave his mustache.  Coincidence?  I know what Lou thinks.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 06, 2021, 09:53:12 AM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on December 06, 2021, 09:46:47 AM
Matthews has scored 8 goals since he realized that he would need to shave his mustache.  Coincidence?  I know what Lou thinks.

He'd be second on the Islanders in goals this season based solely on his play since mustache removal was confirmed. In those 6 games, he's outscored their entire roster 8 to 7.

Definitely facial hair policy. No doubt. Just need to change that policy every few weeks. Keep the players on their toes.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 06, 2021, 10:32:21 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 06, 2021, 09:15:48 AM
Islanders are now 0-8-3 in their last 11 games. Yikes.
Pretty funny that Lou and Bergevin were 2 of the 3 GM of the Year finalists last year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 06, 2021, 10:39:26 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on December 06, 2021, 10:32:21 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 06, 2021, 09:15:48 AM
Islanders are now 0-8-3 in their last 11 games. Yikes.
Pretty funny that Lou and Bergevin were 2 of the 3 GM of the Year finalists last year.

I'm pretty sure seeing GM of the Year finalists (and even Jack Adams finalists) lose their jobs within a couple years after they earned that recognition isn't even that uncommon.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 06, 2021, 10:52:38 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 06, 2021, 10:39:26 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on December 06, 2021, 10:32:21 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 06, 2021, 09:15:48 AM
Islanders are now 0-8-3 in their last 11 games. Yikes.
Pretty funny that Lou and Bergevin were 2 of the 3 GM of the Year finalists last year.

I'm pretty sure seeing GM of the Year finalists (and even Jack Adams finalists) lose their jobs within a couple years after they earned that recognition isn't even that uncommon.
Oh, of course. It's just funny that if Lou weren't Lou, there's a good chance that 2 of the 3 would be gone by early December of the next year, literally months later.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: spiderbob on December 06, 2021, 04:14:58 PM
This is mostly triggered by last nights loss to the Jets, but it is obviously not a Leafs centric problem. Officiating like last night is just making it harder and harder to be an NHL fan. Leafs fan for life, but just tired of games getting out of hand physically with no calls, then soft impedance penalties get called one after the other.

With all the scandals befalling the league from concussions, to what happened to Kyle Beech, to the absolutely toxic culture hockey has fostered(as is reported, never got to play), to everything in between, I would really like to see some new league leadership and soon.
(fwiw, I get it's unlikely)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on December 06, 2021, 05:29:02 PM
https://twitter.com/joeyslatteryCTV/status/1467984072198787081?t=vISD5rVPvqEV1A2V1lI8dQ&s=09
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 07, 2021, 11:14:43 AM
https://twitter.com/BuffaloVogl/status/1467908105791053830

This is insane.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 07, 2021, 11:30:27 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 07, 2021, 11:14:43 AM
https://twitter.com/BuffaloVogl/status/1467908105791053830

This is insane.

Is that due to injury or due to badness
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 07, 2021, 11:30:50 AM
Quote from: herman on December 07, 2021, 11:30:27 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 07, 2021, 11:14:43 AM
https://twitter.com/BuffaloVogl/status/1467908105791053830

This is insane.

Is that due to injury or due to badness

Yes.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 07, 2021, 11:38:53 AM
(https://y.yarn.co/b489e7e7-6c73-4a72-9386-2b96c8ab7b79_text.gif)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 07, 2021, 08:32:12 PM
https://twitter.com/bradytrett/status/1468392392797556737
I love this
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on December 07, 2021, 08:59:02 PM
Awesome move...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on December 07, 2021, 09:54:09 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 07, 2021, 11:14:43 AM
https://twitter.com/BuffaloVogl/status/1467908105791053830

This is insane.
So why did they let go of Linus Ullmark again?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on December 07, 2021, 10:00:28 PM
Quote from: Bender on December 07, 2021, 09:54:09 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 07, 2021, 11:14:43 AM
https://twitter.com/BuffaloVogl/status/1467908105791053830

This is insane.
So why did they let go of Linus Ullmark again?
Didn't want to pay him 5 mill a year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 08, 2021, 09:28:37 AM
Quote from: Bender on December 07, 2021, 09:54:09 PM
So why did they let go of Linus Ullmark again?

I'm not sure how much of that was the team's choice. If you were a goalie, would you want to stick around to play behind that "team"?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on December 08, 2021, 09:52:26 AM
Definitely a cool goal, but what in the hell is Asplund doing? That's some BAD defense.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on December 08, 2021, 10:05:00 AM
So at some point does Boston and the isles have to play 5 nights in a row while everyone else gets a week off?

I don't understand how you can be this far into the season and be 6 games behind everyone else.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 08, 2021, 10:07:39 AM
Quote from: Joe S. on December 08, 2021, 10:05:00 AM
So at some point does Boston and the isles have to play 5 nights in a row while everyone else gets a week off?

I don't understand how you can be this far into the season and be 6 games behind everyone else.

At least the Islanders have the excuse that a few of their games were postponed because of COVID. Boston's just had a ton of off days.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on December 08, 2021, 10:12:50 AM
Right - I forgot about the isles and their covid postponements.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 08, 2021, 10:14:22 AM
How many games will Ian Cole get for kneeing out Scheifele's knee? (where a major penalty was called on the play)

https://twitter.com/PuckReportNHL/status/1468420566008881156
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 08, 2021, 10:19:50 AM
Quote from: herman on December 08, 2021, 10:14:22 AM
How many games will Ian Cole get for kneeing out Scheifele's knee? (where a major penalty was called on the play)

Based on the Pionk suspension . . . 1 game, because he got the misconduct.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on December 08, 2021, 10:37:23 AM
Maybe a game....
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on December 08, 2021, 12:09:00 PM
Was just wasting time on hockeydb and I just noticed that Toews hasn't scored a goal yet. That's kinda shocking.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 08, 2021, 02:05:01 PM
https://twitter.com/nhlplayersafety/status/1468655448010080258
Bro
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 08, 2021, 02:06:47 PM
Quote from: herman on December 08, 2021, 02:05:01 PM
https://twitter.com/nhlplayersafety/status/1468655448010080258
Bro
I mean, c'mon...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 08, 2021, 02:09:28 PM
I don't think anyone's really allowed to be surprised anymore.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on December 08, 2021, 02:11:58 PM
I disliked the 6 games Spezza got because of the duration and the fact that I don't believe the NHL had intent to start treating suspensions as a bigger deterrent moving forward.  It didn't take 24 hours for Parros to be incompetent again. 

I legitimately have to wonder if he's just stupid or whether he has intentional bias when dealing with matters involving the Leafs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 08, 2021, 02:50:36 PM
Suspensions and fines are clearly decided using random number generators.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 08, 2021, 03:09:41 PM
Quote from: L K on December 08, 2021, 02:11:58 PM
I disliked the 6 games Spezza got because of the duration and the fact that I don't believe the NHL had intent to start treating suspensions as a bigger deterrent moving forward.  It didn't take 24 hours for Parros to be incompetent again. 

I legitimately have to wonder if he's just stupid or whether he has intentional bias when dealing with matters involving the Leafs.
It would be ironic, fitting, and unsurprising if it were eventually revealed that Parros has significant CTE.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: disco on December 08, 2021, 03:56:12 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on December 08, 2021, 03:09:41 PM
Quote from: L K on December 08, 2021, 02:11:58 PM
I disliked the 6 games Spezza got because of the duration and the fact that I don't believe the NHL had intent to start treating suspensions as a bigger deterrent moving forward.  It didn't take 24 hours for Parros to be incompetent again. 

I legitimately have to wonder if he's just stupid or whether he has intentional bias when dealing with matters involving the Leafs.
It would be ironic, fitting, and unsurprising if it were eventually revealed that Parros has significant CTE.
;D
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on December 08, 2021, 04:53:54 PM
I'm surprised that wasn't a suggestion but I don't think that hit was near as bad as the one on Sandin. At least in this case the puck was near by.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 08, 2021, 07:24:39 PM
https://twitter.com/katiejstrang/status/1468737384376328196
Incoming strongly worded tweet about journalism by the Coyotes lol
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on December 08, 2021, 07:44:36 PM
Just came to post the same thing.

Les Coyotes Quebecois.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on December 08, 2021, 09:26:22 PM

About to get kicked out for not paying Rent? I guess the Coyotes really are about to turn 25.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on December 08, 2021, 10:24:14 PM
Quote from: Nik on December 08, 2021, 09:26:22 PM

About to get kicked out for not paying Rent? I guess the Coyotes really are about to turn 25.

No offense meant to any of us here in our merry band, but this needs to dwell at a higher-profile trophic level in the media food chain.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 08, 2021, 11:13:33 PM
https://twitter.com/rwesthead/status/1468751889231757323
And not paying taxes etc
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 09, 2021, 01:58:21 PM
For contractual reasons with ESPN, Greg Wyshinski is leaving Puck Soup. He's always been my least favourite of the hosts, but it'll still be a loss to the podcast.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on December 09, 2021, 02:54:07 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on December 09, 2021, 01:58:21 PM
For contractual reasons with ESPN, Greg Wyshinski is leaving Puck Soup. He's always been my least favourite of the hosts, but it'll still be a loss to the podcast.

I'm in and out on the show but this seems like such an ESPN move. Have a podcast that is promoting the game you just spent hugely on the rights to? Well, if we don't own it we won't let anyone on it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 09, 2021, 03:20:28 PM
Coyotes blaming human error for their unpaid everythings. The error appears to have been not having enough money to hire an accountant?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on December 09, 2021, 04:19:40 PM
Quote from: herman on December 09, 2021, 03:20:28 PM
Coyotes blaming human error for their unpaid everythings. The error appears to have been not having enough money to hire an accountant?

Definitely shouldn't have left Jimmy the Intern in charge of paying all the taxes.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 10, 2021, 08:27:22 AM
Quote from: herman on December 09, 2021, 03:20:28 PM
Coyotes blaming human error for their unpaid everythings. The error appears to have been not having enough money to hire an accountant?

Being poor business people is human error. Duh.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 10, 2021, 12:12:09 PM
https://twitter.com/EricEngels/status/1469351967415844868

Bettman turns 70 next year. Like bro just enjoy your retirement.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on December 10, 2021, 12:45:30 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 10, 2021, 12:12:09 PM
https://twitter.com/EricEngels/status/1469351967415844868

Bettman turns 70 next year. Like bro just enjoy your retirement.

I was thinking the same thing, does he plan to be commish until 85?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 10, 2021, 12:50:36 PM
Quote from: Zee on December 10, 2021, 12:45:30 PM
I was thinking the same thing, does he plan to be commish until 85?

I imagine part of it is that he doesn't want the entire NHL celebrating the countdown until his retirement. When he does step down, it won't be drawn out or so clearly telegraphed.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on December 10, 2021, 01:59:33 PM

David Stern retired after 30 years as the longest tenured commissioner in sports history. I wonder if breaking that record isn't Bettman's ultimate aim.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 10, 2021, 02:12:37 PM
https://twitter.com/katiejstrang/status/1469362834433785862
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on December 10, 2021, 03:03:04 PM
I'm starting to think that Kucherov just doesn't like playing in the regular season.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on December 10, 2021, 03:55:16 PM
Quote from: Frank E on December 10, 2021, 03:03:04 PM
I'm starting to think that Kucherov just doesn't like playing in the regular season.

If you could make all the money owed to you, get all the accolades, and only work 2 months of the year, why not?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on December 10, 2021, 05:59:45 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 10, 2021, 12:12:09 PM
https://twitter.com/EricEngels/status/1469351967415844868

Bettman turns 70 next year. Like bro just enjoy your retirement.

I know the negativity around Bettman gets overblown but the approach to be sassy and condescending about literally every single thing in the last few years is getting kind of grating.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 10, 2021, 06:30:31 PM
https://twitter.com/walsha/status/1469353141644578818
It's Allan Walsh, but they already tried to ice Westhead in the press conference so...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on December 11, 2021, 12:27:32 AM
https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/1469499080535592962

People like Tortorella won't be happy until hockey is just watched by a dozen old Canadians and three guys on Long Island. How in the world can the league still let guys like this on intermission shows?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on December 11, 2021, 07:07:13 AM
It's probably my best argument in favour of the NHL needing a new organizational approach.  Their marketing is putrid.  On an era adjusted scoring basis McDavid is putting up Gretzky numbers.

Ovechkin is pushing toward outscoring Wayne.

They don't market stars properly at all.  They enforce rules/ignore rules to protect low skill players over skill.  The Zehra's play had athletes from other sports who aren't hockey fans tuning in.

Expansion has been good to the owners pocketbooks but why they continue to market the game like it's the 1980s is beyond me
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on December 11, 2021, 11:29:09 AM
Quote from: L K on December 11, 2021, 07:07:13 AM
It's probably my best argument in favour of the NHL needing a new organizational approach.  Their marketing is putrid.  On an era adjusted scoring basis McDavid is putting up Gretzky numbers.

Ovechkin is pushing toward outscoring Wayne.

They don't market stars properly at all.  They enforce rules/ignore rules to protect low skill players over skill.  The Zehra's play had athletes from other sports who aren't hockey fans tuning in.

Expansion has been good to the owners pocketbooks but why they continue to market the game like it's the 1980s is beyond me
It's really frustrating. Everyone wants the sport to get more popular except for people who run the actual sport. I saw the Raps yesterday and while I do think playing music during play is hokey and made for people with ADD, the rest of it is so much more modern and entertaining and doesn't feel like it's trying to muddle it's way through the Great Depression.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on December 11, 2021, 03:44:50 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1469753759718858756

That could be a problem.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on December 11, 2021, 06:25:51 PM
I honestly hope the nhl players don't go.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on December 11, 2021, 06:28:56 PM
Quote from: Nik on December 11, 2021, 03:44:50 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1469753759718858756

That could be a problem.
And a thing to keep in mind is, players don't get paid for being out due to covid so if they're locked up in the other side of the world they get nothing...I don't see them wanting to go..
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on December 11, 2021, 06:53:45 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on December 11, 2021, 06:25:51 PM
I honestly hope the nhl players don't go.

Just do the tournament in North America.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on December 12, 2021, 06:34:32 AM
Quote from: herman on December 08, 2021, 07:24:39 PM
https://twitter.com/katiejstrang/status/1468737384376328196
Incoming strongly worded tweet about journalism by the Coyotes lol

Quote from: Arn on December 08, 2021, 07:44:36 PM
Just came to post the same thing.

Les Coyotes Quebecois.

https://twitter.com/hockeynight/status/1469885799218962432
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on December 12, 2021, 08:17:36 AM
Quote from: Arn on December 12, 2021, 06:34:32 AM
Quote from: herman on December 08, 2021, 07:24:39 PM
https://twitter.com/katiejstrang/status/1468737384376328196
Incoming strongly worded tweet about journalism by the Coyotes lol

Quote from: Arn on December 08, 2021, 07:44:36 PM
Just came to post the same thing.

Les Coyotes Quebecois.

https://twitter.com/hockeynight/status/1469885799218962432
Would love to see Quebec get a team. Don't see it happening unfortunately.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on December 12, 2021, 08:37:30 AM
So if the NHL waits until the last possible moment for the Olympics and they ultimately don't go what happens to the tournament? Cancelled or does every country have a "backup team" ready to go play? Seems like a huge mess
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on December 12, 2021, 08:56:13 AM
It's already a bit of a joke of a tournament


The International Olympic Committee and the IIHF have decided to allow China to ice a team in the men's 2022 Olympic Winter Games ice hockey tournament. However, China will not have to use its real national team, which flits between the bottom couple of tiers of the world champs

The chinese Olympic team will consist mostly of North Americans (such as Jake Chelios) who have been given Chinese passports solely for the purpose of competing in the Olympics - even though Chinese law prohibits dual citizenship.

China's team will basically be Kunlun Red Star, a Chinese owned club playing in the Russian KHL and filled with non-Chinese players.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 12, 2021, 09:50:56 AM
https://twitter.com/zjlaing/status/1469903802803228675
:(
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on December 12, 2021, 09:56:16 AM
Quote from: Joe S. on December 11, 2021, 06:25:51 PM
I honestly hope the nhl players don't go.

Same. I've completely lost interest in the Olympics.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on December 12, 2021, 10:01:04 AM
Quote from: Bullfrog on December 12, 2021, 09:56:16 AM
Quote from: Joe S. on December 11, 2021, 06:25:51 PM
I honestly hope the nhl players don't go.

Same. I've completely lost interest in the Olympics.
At this point I just want what's best for the Leafs. No point in competing in China.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on December 12, 2021, 11:17:55 AM
Quote from: Arn on December 12, 2021, 08:56:13 AM
The chinese Olympic team will consist mostly of North Americans (such as Jake Chelios) who have been given Chinese passports solely for the purpose of competing in the Olympics - even though Chinese law prohibits dual citizenship.

Isn't that more or less what happens at most Olympics anyway? As far as I remember, the host teams in Korea and Italy were also made up of Canadians with dubious claims to citizenship too.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on December 12, 2021, 11:28:24 AM
It appears 2 vaccine shots give relatively little protection against omicron (35% effective I think I heard).  Only a small percentage of the US population has had 2 shots + booster/infection.  Just about everyone I know is less cautious now than they were a year ago.   Omicron will double every 2-3 days in this relatively unprotected environment.  Last wave in the US topped out at 250k cases/day.  I'm not an epidemiologist but I'm predicting this next wave will be at least that bad. And that's just the US.  I don't see the NHL agreeing to let all their best players travel to meet in a big group in such circumstances.  The risk of infection is going to be too high. (The risk of infection is going to be ridiculously high in season too, but the NHL is going to make money off that.)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on December 12, 2021, 03:23:00 PM
Quote from: Nik on December 12, 2021, 11:17:55 AM
Quote from: Arn on December 12, 2021, 08:56:13 AM
The chinese Olympic team will consist mostly of North Americans (such as Jake Chelios) who have been given Chinese passports solely for the purpose of competing in the Olympics - even though Chinese law prohibits dual citizenship.

Isn't that more or less what happens at most Olympics anyway? As far as I remember, the host teams in Korea and Italy were also made up of Canadians with dubious claims to citizenship too.

I think that the Italian team is pretty much always like that. (They have played against the GB side in several tournaments over the last few years and that has been the make up of their roster). So generally the guys they pick have played for the side for a while and even a lot of them play or have played in the Italian or Alps leagues.

This one is a bit different in just being a roster for this tournament who will likely never previously have and never likely will play for them again

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 12, 2021, 03:32:19 PM
There's also a reasonable number of Canadian hockey players that legitimately have Italian ancestry (not necessarily NHL caliber, but AHL and European professional league level). Not sure that's true for China, Korea, etc., yet - though, I suspect we're not that far from it becoming the case.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on December 12, 2021, 03:40:02 PM
Yes, fair point. A lot of the reason cited by many for them choosing to play in Italy at some point in their career is that heritage.

It's the same reason for a lot of Canadian guys with Irish heritage coming to play in Belfast late in their careers
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 12, 2021, 03:58:34 PM
https://twitter.com/vallysview/status/1469771247944876035
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on December 12, 2021, 04:13:24 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on December 12, 2021, 08:17:36 AM
Quote from: Arn on December 12, 2021, 06:34:32 AM
Quote from: herman on December 08, 2021, 07:24:39 PM
https://twitter.com/katiejstrang/status/1468737384376328196
Incoming strongly worded tweet about journalism by the Coyotes lol

Quote from: Arn on December 08, 2021, 07:44:36 PM
Just came to post the same thing.

Les Coyotes Quebecois.

https://twitter.com/hockeynight/status/1469885799218962432
Would love to see Quebec get a team. Don't see it happening unfortunately.

This seems a bit out of context. I heard the press conference and Bettman isn't even sure who he's meeting with in Quebec.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 12, 2021, 04:27:00 PM
https://twitter.com/adamzherman/status/1470120561259040776
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on December 12, 2021, 04:38:04 PM

Not defending that but I think it was USHL, not NHL.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 12, 2021, 05:10:44 PM
https://twitter.com/sheng_peng/status/1469919904593711104

Awww....
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Highlander on December 13, 2021, 12:22:43 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on December 11, 2021, 06:25:51 PM
I honestly hope the nhl players don't go.
The Leafs were playing well before the last games, they guys came back and seemed to have lost there mojo (may have been an injury, can't remember).  I don't want them to go Covid or not.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 14, 2021, 12:46:55 PM
Ok so who is not in Covid protocol?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on December 14, 2021, 02:08:00 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on December 12, 2021, 05:10:44 PM
https://twitter.com/sheng_peng/status/1469919904593711104

Awww....

Still like Reimer.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 14, 2021, 04:03:49 PM
Quote from: herman on December 14, 2021, 12:46:55 PM
Ok so who is not in Covid protocol?

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1470840138909560839

If this keeps up, I can't see the league sending players to the Olympics, though, they may need to pause the season (not on the table yet, but I have to imagine some of the higher ups are thinking about it and have begun putting together contingency plans).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 14, 2021, 06:36:18 PM
Taxi squad szn
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 14, 2021, 11:19:16 PM
https://twitter.com/canucks/status/1470966556293099520
And they kept playing...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on December 15, 2021, 12:20:29 AM
Quote from: herman on December 14, 2021, 11:19:16 PM
https://twitter.com/canucks/status/1470966556293099520
And they kept playing...
People really are over it...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on December 15, 2021, 09:54:19 AM
Wait. A player who was playing got removed and put into COVID protocol?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 15, 2021, 10:04:49 AM
Quote from: Bullfrog on December 15, 2021, 09:54:19 AM
Wait. A player who was playing got removed and put into COVID protocol?

This happened twice last night, Poolman and Morgan Frost with Philly.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 15, 2021, 11:48:29 AM
https://twitter.com/NHLFlames/status/1471156192739160067

Yikes.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on December 15, 2021, 01:03:06 PM
Does covid protocol mean they tested positive or they were near someone who tested positive?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 15, 2021, 01:55:33 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on December 15, 2021, 01:03:06 PM
Does covid protocol mean they tested positive or they were near someone who tested positive?

https://media.nhl.com/site/asset/public/ext/2021-22/2021-22COVIDProtocol.pdf
Section 4 has the protocols for isolation.

Begins with a positive test and can encompass precautionary isolation informed by contact tracing. Close contacts are also held in isolation until the positive test result is proven negative over 3 days.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on December 15, 2021, 02:09:33 PM
So if that's the case shouldn't every oilers player that was on the bench be in covid protocol?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on December 15, 2021, 02:12:35 PM
Quote from: herman on December 15, 2021, 01:55:33 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on December 15, 2021, 01:03:06 PM
Does covid protocol mean they tested positive or they were near someone who tested positive?

https://media.nhl.com/site/asset/public/ext/2021-22/2021-22COVIDProtocol.pdf
Section 4 has the protocols for isolation.

Begins with a positive test and can encompass precautionary isolation informed by contact tracing. Close contacts are also held in isolation until the positive test result is proven negative over 3 days.

Good lord the graphic design of that document is bad.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 15, 2021, 02:22:18 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on December 15, 2021, 02:12:35 PM
Quote from: herman on December 15, 2021, 01:55:33 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on December 15, 2021, 01:03:06 PM
Does covid protocol mean they tested positive or they were near someone who tested positive?

https://media.nhl.com/site/asset/public/ext/2021-22/2021-22COVIDProtocol.pdf
Section 4 has the protocols for isolation.

Begins with a positive test and can encompass precautionary isolation informed by contact tracing. Close contacts are also held in isolation until the positive test result is proven negative over 3 days.

Good lord the graphic design of that document is bad.

How dare you besmirch Microsoft Word 2016's 'Shaded' style template
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 15, 2021, 02:38:46 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on December 15, 2021, 02:12:35 PM
Good lord the graphic design of that document is bad.

The pagination and layout efforts put into that document are non-existent.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on December 15, 2021, 03:46:36 PM
The flippant use of shapes on the flow charts is the worst part.

No table of contents is also an eregious offense.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on December 15, 2021, 03:52:29 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on December 15, 2021, 02:09:33 PM
So if that's the case shouldn't every oilers player that was on the bench be in covid protocol?

It looks like they simply take a quick test, and go from there...right?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on December 15, 2021, 04:03:08 PM
Quote from: herman on December 15, 2021, 02:22:18 PM
How dare you besmirch Microsoft Word 2016's 'Shaded' style template

I know, I know. I should be more tolerant of a multi-billion dollar corporation that could quite likely afford their own internal communications/graphics specialist.

I'm working on my growth, herman. Please be patient as I go through this transition.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 15, 2021, 04:34:12 PM
Quote from: Deebo on December 15, 2021, 03:46:36 PM
The flippant use of shapes on the flow charts is the worst part.

No table of contents is also an eregious offense.

It's like it never made it to the marketing department/brand stewards before it was released. Unacceptable.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 16, 2021, 09:22:22 AM
https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1471483529477427211

The Hurricanes are dealing with a potential COVID outbreak with 6 players out (Aho, Staal, Jarvis, Svechnikov, Cole, and Lorentz) AND will likely be playing 2 players short of a full line-up tonight because players on the protocol still count against a teams salary cap for some dumb reason.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 16, 2021, 09:48:22 AM
You'd think the league would have come up with some sort of emergency exemption or something, but, of course not. That requires forethought and planning.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 16, 2021, 09:50:55 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on December 16, 2021, 09:48:22 AM
You'd think the league would have come up with some sort of emergency exemption or something, but, of course not. That requires forethought and planning.

Well they did, last season, and then they thought COVID was over.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on December 16, 2021, 10:39:56 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 16, 2021, 09:50:55 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on December 16, 2021, 09:48:22 AM
You'd think the league would have come up with some sort of emergency exemption or something, but, of course not. That requires forethought and planning.

Well they did, last season, and then they thought COVID was over.
'

I mean nothing screams player safety like the NHL.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 16, 2021, 10:48:43 AM
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1471497813510868997

Never underestimate the ability of a NHL coach to make something boring.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 16, 2021, 12:04:22 PM
Shot attempts in such a game state might not be the most telling stat. I wonder if the xG stats show about the same if not better, since teams have the space to pick their spots.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on December 16, 2021, 01:07:49 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 16, 2021, 10:48:43 AM
Never underestimate the ability of a NHL coach to make something boring.

I watched an OT not too long ago, I think it was Ducks-Kings, and I was genuinely shocked by how little the teams attacked and just would skate back into their own zone if they didn't like their entry options.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on December 16, 2021, 01:28:19 PM
Is it just a lack of shot generation or teams being smarter with their shots.  I felt like for a while teams would just take low quality shots resulting in turnovers rather than quality scoring chances.  Obviously back and forth pond hockey is fun to watch but I think I'm ok if teams still want to play a little bit of defensive hockey in 3 on 3.

2020-2021: 102 games have gone to the shootover over the last two partial seasons.  That's over 1314 games played.  So 7.7% of games go to the shootout in the last year and a half. 
291 games overall went to OT.  102 of the 291 went to shootout.  So 35% of games go to the shootout if they reach OT. 

2015-2020: 482 games went to the shootover over 5 seasons.  That's over 6084 games.  So 7.9% of games go to the shootout over this stretch.
1381 games overall went to OT.  482 of the 1381 games went to shootout.  So 34.9% of games go to the shootout if they reach OT.

I'm not sure what we really proved.  Games that go to 3 on 3 are ending at the same rate (2/3 to 1/3) over the last two years as they did in the previous 5 years. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 16, 2021, 01:34:53 PM
Quote from: L K on December 16, 2021, 01:28:19 PM
I'm not sure what we really proved.  Games that go to 3 on 3 are ending at the same rate (2/3 to 1/3) over the last two years as they did in the previous 5 years. 

Like Nik said, the popular strategy in 3-on-3 nowadays is teams just constantly hanging onto the puck and circling back into their own zone if they don't see an absolutely perfect opportunity to score. It's a smart strategy, and does still result in goals/games ending like you said, but it's a lot more boring to watch than the frantic back and forth hockey that originally made 3-on-3 super exciting.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Peter D. on December 16, 2021, 02:19:28 PM
I liked the analogy of 3-on-3 overtime having become like speed cycling races.  Each opponent takes their time circling around before going for it. 

When OT picks up that pace, it's great.  But seeing teams play possum for the first half is boring when there is so much room on the ice.  And the fact the players willingly skate the puck out of the offensive zone or pass it all the way down into their zone to get a line change cheapens the whole thing in my eyes. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on December 16, 2021, 02:44:33 PM
Quote from: Peter D. on December 16, 2021, 02:19:28 PM
I liked the analogy of 3-on-3 overtime having become like speed cycling races.  Each opponent takes their time circling around before going for it. 

When OT picks up that pace, it's great.  But seeing teams play possum for the first half is boring when there is so much room on the ice.  And the fact the players willingly skate the puck out of the offensive zone or pass it all the way down into their zone to get a line change cheapens the whole thing in my eyes.

I guess, but we praise that kind of mentality in terms of things like CORSI when teams maintain puck possession in their own zone and wait out a line change instead of the old style of dumping the puck to get a line change.  It seems like an unfair thing to criticize. 

Maybe it's bias because I don't have a lot of time to watch other games anymore so I'm more invested in the Leafs OT games but I haven't really had much of a problem with the OT still being pretty exciting hockey.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on December 16, 2021, 05:02:33 PM
Quote from: L K on December 16, 2021, 02:44:33 PM
Quote from: Peter D. on December 16, 2021, 02:19:28 PM
I liked the analogy of 3-on-3 overtime having become like speed cycling races.  Each opponent takes their time circling around before going for it. 

When OT picks up that pace, it's great.  But seeing teams play possum for the first half is boring when there is so much room on the ice.  And the fact the players willingly skate the puck out of the offensive zone or pass it all the way down into their zone to get a line change cheapens the whole thing in my eyes.

I guess, but we praise that kind of mentality in terms of things like CORSI when teams maintain puck possession in their own zone and wait out a line change instead of the old style of dumping the puck to get a line change.  It seems like an unfair thing to criticize. 

Maybe it's bias because I don't have a lot of time to watch other games anymore so I'm more invested in the Leafs OT games but I haven't really had much of a problem with the OT still being pretty exciting hockey.

That was the thing. I was shocked at how unfun it was to watch. The only reason I had tuned into a Ducks-Kings game was because it was going into OT and, like you, that's consistently provided exciting stuff in recent years.

This just wasn't that.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on December 16, 2021, 05:17:42 PM
https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1471602510087565314

I wish it weren't the case, guys. But the writing is on the wall.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 16, 2021, 06:34:48 PM
https://twitter.com/_melissaburgess/status/1471611947510640642
Two more added about 7 min ago. That's like 3 lineups on the shelf right now
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 16, 2021, 06:41:53 PM
https://twitter.com/evolvingwild/status/1471600384988913670
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on December 16, 2021, 09:19:25 PM
Quote from: Nik on December 16, 2021, 05:17:42 PM
https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1471602510087565314

I wish it weren't the case, guys. But the writing is on the wall.

Omicron accelerates so quickly, I wonder if we'll see an insane spike up but then a relatively steep decline as well.

I've always loved the Olympics but this year, I'm thinking a good outcome would be to cancel the olympics and pause hockey from xmas through January.  Start again in February, hoping that we are on the other side of the curve.  Use the Olympic time.  Extend into midsummer.  So it is kind of like there are two seasons.

Of course, the NHL won't do anything like that. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Peter D. on December 16, 2021, 10:43:18 PM
Pause the league for a few weeks, cancel the Olympics, reschedule all games during that break, and carry on.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on December 17, 2021, 05:59:26 AM
Quote from: Peter D. on December 16, 2021, 10:43:18 PM
Pause the league for a few weeks, cancel the Olympics, reschedule all games during that break, and carry on.

This seems common sensical and blatantly obvious.

So it won't happen.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on December 17, 2021, 10:37:32 AM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1471866418564108294
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on December 17, 2021, 10:54:14 AM
Quote from: Frank E on December 17, 2021, 10:37:32 AM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1471866418564108294

Wow!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 17, 2021, 10:55:07 AM
(https://c.tenor.com/7PeI7nYt3hgAAAAC/waverly-earp-wink.gif)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 17, 2021, 11:03:24 AM
Makes sense, they did just win their Stanley Cup recently. Best to go out on top.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on December 17, 2021, 11:03:28 AM
Any insight into this? This seems completely out of left field.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on December 17, 2021, 11:08:32 AM
Quote from: Joe S. on December 17, 2021, 11:03:28 AM
Any insight into this? This seems completely out of left field.

I think they're underperforming - 17th in the league in P%, 4-5-1 in their last 10...they lost to Buffalo the other night...he's been there forever, so maybe it's time for a fresh voice.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 17, 2021, 11:17:39 AM
Quote from: Joe S. on December 17, 2021, 11:03:28 AM
Any insight into this? This seems completely out of left field.

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1471873387756675080
Pulled his own chute
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 17, 2021, 11:32:30 AM
Went out on his terms instead of waiting for the ax to fall. Respect.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on December 17, 2021, 11:36:35 AM
Quote from: herman on December 17, 2021, 11:17:39 AM
Quote from: Joe S. on December 17, 2021, 11:03:28 AM
Any insight into this? This seems completely out of left field.

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1471873387756675080
Pulled his own chute

Probably tired of living in Winnipeg.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 17, 2021, 11:40:20 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on December 17, 2021, 11:32:30 AM
Went out on his terms instead of waiting for the ax to fall. Respect.

But also sacrificing his own financial security (pretty sure there is a severance agreement) and public standing to do what is right for the team to potentially move forward.

Edit:
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1471883550626656274
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on December 17, 2021, 11:46:49 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 17, 2021, 11:03:24 AM
Makes sense, they did just win their Stanley Cup recently. Best to go out on top.

Lol.  ;D
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 17, 2021, 12:04:31 PM
Quote from: Dappleganger on December 17, 2021, 11:46:49 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 17, 2021, 11:03:24 AM
Makes sense, they did just win their Stanley Cup recently. Best to go out on top.

Lol.  ;D

They most recently lost to the Sabres.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Rob on December 17, 2021, 12:24:37 PM
Quote from: herman on December 17, 2021, 12:04:31 PM
Quote from: Dappleganger on December 17, 2021, 11:46:49 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 17, 2021, 11:03:24 AM
Makes sense, they did just win their Stanley Cup recently. Best to go out on top.

Lol.  ;D

They most recently lost to the Sabres.

Well then I would quit too. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 17, 2021, 01:08:07 PM
https://twitter.com/emilymkaplan/status/1471904090066194441
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 17, 2021, 01:59:39 PM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1471917618227560449

Now just do every other team.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Highlander on December 17, 2021, 02:36:42 PM
Yep, time to close it down for a while, this new variant is an exponential spreader.  Luckily most reports say if you are fully vaccinated then you probably won't go to the hospital.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 17, 2021, 02:45:04 PM
Shut. It. Down.

It's well past the point where it's ridiculous. Like 10% of the players in the league are on COVID lists right now.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 18, 2021, 11:00:30 AM
https://twitter.com/PR_NHL/status/1472231648825692160
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Peter D. on December 18, 2021, 10:01:33 PM
Steve Yzerman has it right and echoes my thoughts — don't test double vaccinated players unless symptomatic.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on December 18, 2021, 10:33:16 PM
Quote from: Peter D. on December 18, 2021, 10:01:33 PM
Steve Yzerman has it right and echoes my thoughts — don't test double vaccinated players unless symptomatic.
Yup...Doc on hockey night pretty much said it's too early for it in the NHL but will get there.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on December 19, 2021, 01:02:10 AM
Quote from: Peter D. on December 18, 2021, 10:01:33 PM
Steve Yzerman has it right and echoes my thoughts — don't test double vaccinated players unless symptomatic.

Why does this make sense? 

Omicron seems to spread rapidly through vaccinated populations and hence the vaccinated are spreading it.  How will not testing help?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Peter D. on December 19, 2021, 02:47:33 AM
Quote from: princedpw on December 19, 2021, 01:02:10 AM
Quote from: Peter D. on December 18, 2021, 10:01:33 PM
Steve Yzerman has it right and echoes my thoughts — don't test double vaccinated players unless symptomatic.

Why does this make sense? 

Omicron seems to spread rapidly through vaccinated populations and hence the vaccinated are spreading it.  How will not testing help?

Do any of us who are double vaccinated go get tested if asymptomatic?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on December 19, 2021, 09:30:14 AM
Quote from: Peter D. on December 19, 2021, 02:47:33 AM
Quote from: princedpw on December 19, 2021, 01:02:10 AM
Quote from: Peter D. on December 18, 2021, 10:01:33 PM
Steve Yzerman has it right and echoes my thoughts — don't test double vaccinated players unless symptomatic.

Why does this make sense? 

Omicron seems to spread rapidly through vaccinated populations and hence the vaccinated are spreading it.  How will not testing help?

Do any of us who are double vaccinated go get tested if asymptomatic?

Yes.

I'm double vaccinated and boosted.  95+% of my colleagues at work at Princeton are fully vaxed.  Everyone is tested once a week (unvaccinated twice a week) regardless of the presence of symptoms.  My understanding is that you can be extremely infectious prior to having symptoms.

The point of testing is to slow down the spread, identifying folks before they have spread it to others, which can only be done by asymptomatic testing.  If you don't do asymptomatic testing, it will be too late and everyone on the team will get it and everyone in their families will get it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 19, 2021, 09:56:23 AM
princedpw summed it up. Yzerman's suggestion, while attractive to those who are tired of pandemic measures, would cripple and crush the healthcare system and subsequently society and economy.

Under those proposed conditions, an asymptomatic person could inadvertently pass it on to another asymptomatic person who visits an immunosuppressed loved one who gets boned because people didn't bother checking. Multiply that by a bajillion because asymptomatic people being given license to return to normal is toothpaste that won't go back in the tube and the virus will happily take the opportunity to mutate.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on December 19, 2021, 11:03:48 AM
Quote from: herman on December 19, 2021, 09:56:23 AM
Multiply that by a bajillion because asymptomatic people being given license to return to normal is toothpaste that won't go back in the tube and the virus will happily take the opportunity to mutate.

Thanks. Now I can't get that image out of my head.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 19, 2021, 12:10:52 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on December 19, 2021, 11:03:48 AM
Quote from: herman on December 19, 2021, 09:56:23 AM
Multiply that by a bajillion because asymptomatic people being given license to return to normal is toothpaste that won't go back in the tube and the virus will happily take the opportunity to mutate.

Thanks. Now I can't get that image out of my head.
For me the image is the immunosuppressed loved ones getting boned.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 19, 2021, 04:16:16 PM
https://twitter.com/cf_depthcharts/status/1472626463358656515

That's more than 4 full rosters. Getting close to 5.

Shut
It
Down
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on December 19, 2021, 04:55:53 PM
League shutting down cross border games till after Christmas.  Also expected to make an announcement on Olympic involvement this week.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on December 19, 2021, 10:42:23 PM
Looks like they're staying home....not officially announced yet..https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1472683710751334408
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 20, 2021, 01:27:24 AM
https://twitter.com/AlexKokcharov/status/1472713943705661440

Wtf
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on December 20, 2021, 07:19:02 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on December 20, 2021, 01:27:24 AM
https://twitter.com/AlexKokcharov/status/1472713943705661440

Wtf

WTF indeed...and with everything that's going on with Ukraine right now.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Rob on December 20, 2021, 08:40:08 AM
Cuckoo clocks can't play. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 20, 2021, 08:47:12 AM
Quote from: Frank E on December 20, 2021, 07:19:02 AM
WTF indeed...and with everything that's going on with Ukraine right now.

I feel like this just makes it less surprising that a current-era Russian national team would do this.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 20, 2021, 09:42:42 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 20, 2021, 08:47:12 AM
Quote from: Frank E on December 20, 2021, 07:19:02 AM
WTF indeed...and with everything that's going on with Ukraine right now.

I feel like this just makes it less surprising that a current-era Russian national team would do this.

I mean, it's not like Putin is doing anything to try to rebuild the USSR. Nope. Nothing to see there.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Peter D. on December 20, 2021, 02:25:33 PM
Quote from: princedpw on December 19, 2021, 09:30:14 AM
Yes.

I'm double vaccinated and boosted.  95+% of my colleagues at work at Princeton are fully vaxed.  Everyone is tested once a week (unvaccinated twice a week) regardless of the presence of symptoms.  My understanding is that you can be extremely infectious prior to having symptoms.

The point of testing is to slow down the spread, identifying folks before they have spread it to others, which can only be done by asymptomatic testing.  If you don't do asymptomatic testing, it will be too late and everyone on the team will get it and everyone in their families will get it.

Quote from: herman on December 19, 2021, 09:56:23 AM
princedpw summed it up. Yzerman's suggestion, while attractive to those who are tired of pandemic measures, would cripple and crush the healthcare system and subsequently society and economy.

Under those proposed conditions, an asymptomatic person could inadvertently pass it on to another asymptomatic person who visits an immunosuppressed loved one who gets boned because people didn't bother checking. Multiply that by a bajillion because asymptomatic people being given license to return to normal is toothpaste that won't go back in the tube and the virus will happily take the opportunity to mutate.

Quite honestly, this makes absolutely no sense to me, nor seems the least bit feasible.

Unless your company mandates testing as in princedpw's case, I hardly know of anyone running out to get tested with no symptoms (whether having no, one, two or three doses).  I would only go get my kids tested for school if exhibiting one symptom.  If the idea is to have everyone go out now randomly getting tested who are completely fine to pick up if they have COVID, I: a) don't see the point; and b) don't see how there is the testing capacity to facilitate such initiative.  Not to mention believing that many people out there are walking asymptomatically, which again I don't believe can or should be tested and ultimately detected since there is no capacity to do so. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 20, 2021, 02:57:12 PM
I agree it is not feasible currently because a) tests haven't been made readily available; b) everything is pretty much open, nominally protected by plexiglass and whatever masking is actually enforced even though this respiratory virus is airborne, hence the return to the lockdown conversation every so often. The realities of the virus don't really care about testing feasibility.

Testing is useful as an airlock measure, when you go in (and out of) a higher risk situation with close quarters or no masks or limited ventilation. The NHL's return to play protocols worked! As it stands, our testing capacity is maxed and the number of cases being reported daily is understated.

It's pretty frustrating to see that we could have been ramping up testing, contact tracing infrastructure during the first lockdown. Local public health units have done a lot with little, but imagine if test kits were readily available to everybody and not just hoarded for businesses while sitting on federal funds.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on December 20, 2021, 07:14:11 PM
Quote from: herman on December 20, 2021, 02:57:12 PM
I agree it is not feasible currently because a) tests haven't been made readily available; b) everything is pretty much open, nominally protected by plexiglass and whatever masking is actually enforced even though this respiratory virus is airborne, hence the return to the lockdown conversation every so often. The realities of the virus don't really care about testing feasibility.

Testing is useful as an airlock measure, when you go in (and out of) a higher risk situation with close quarters or no masks or limited ventilation. The NHL's return to play protocols worked! As it stands, our testing capacity is maxed and the number of cases being reported daily is understated.

It's pretty frustrating to see that we could have been ramping up testing, contact tracing infrastructure during the first lockdown. Local public health units have done a lot with little, but imagine if test kits were readily available to everybody and not just hoarded for businesses while sitting on federal funds.

Yeah, I am big on the testing and contact tracing train.  Especially anyplace where there is random encounters like grocery/big box stores.  When looking at how computer viruses spread and how they pertain to how human viruses spread, one of the things that was noticed is that by being able to trace where a virus was coming from, it really allowed to predict where it was going. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 21, 2021, 11:50:02 AM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1473314468251713543
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1473333865586515975

Well not officially official yet but no NHLers at the Olympics next year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Peter D. on December 21, 2021, 01:01:41 PM
Not surprising, and the right choice at this point. 

Hopefully they eventually go again when everything settles.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on December 21, 2021, 01:35:23 PM
Definitely the right call. It was inevitable at this point. Hopefully things resolve to a point where the rest of the season can be played reasonably. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on December 21, 2021, 02:53:26 PM
Man, the world has really changed in the past 3 weeks.

I wonder if the NHL would consider another World Cup in 2023...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 21, 2021, 02:54:48 PM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1473357340678275079

Just a matter of time before this mini-pause becomes a full on shut down.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: RedLeaf on December 21, 2021, 04:18:20 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 21, 2021, 11:50:02 AM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1473314468251713543
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1473333865586515975

Well not officially official yet but no NHLers at the Olympics next year.

Very disappointed. I understand the reasoning, but man it would have been exciting to see McDavid, Crosby & Marner on the same Olympic team. If its not happening for another 4 yrs its not happening at all.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 21, 2021, 04:34:13 PM
https://twitter.com/DailyFaceoff/status/1473402845311426572

So there's definitely at least one coach out there thinking, "we should have a COVID party right now", right?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 21, 2021, 04:36:33 PM
Quote from: RedLeaf on December 21, 2021, 04:18:20 PM
Very disappointed. I understand the reasoning, but man it would have been exciting to see McDavid, Crosby & Marner on the same Olympic team. If its not happening for another 4 yrs its not happening at all.

I'd be surprised if they didn't do a World Cup in 2023 like Frank said.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on December 21, 2021, 05:26:09 PM
Really no other way to approach the COVID testing.  You can put people in isolation for illness but the COVID testing is unreliable for up to a few months after having COVID.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on December 21, 2021, 05:31:42 PM
Quote from: L K on December 21, 2021, 05:26:09 PM
Really no other way to approach the COVID testing.  You can put people in isolation for illness but the COVID testing is unreliable for up to a few months after having COVID.

Can you clarify this statement, LK?  Like, if I get COVID, it's tough to figure out if I have it again within a few months of having it previously?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 21, 2021, 06:17:53 PM
Quote from: L K on December 21, 2021, 05:26:09 PM
Really no other way to approach the COVID testing.  You can put people in isolation for illness but the COVID testing is unreliable for up to a few months after having COVID.

I'm guessing this has to do with antibodies remaining at an elevated level for a while and such?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 21, 2021, 08:29:04 PM
https://twitter.com/jyotigondek/status/1473452770183110658
Haha yikes
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on December 21, 2021, 11:59:41 PM
Quote from: Frank E on December 21, 2021, 05:31:42 PM
Quote from: L K on December 21, 2021, 05:26:09 PM
Really no other way to approach the COVID testing.  You can put people in isolation for illness but the COVID testing is unreliable for up to a few months after having COVID.

Can you clarify this statement, LK?  Like, if I get COVID, it's tough to figure out if I have it again within a few months of having it previously?

This is true of PCR tests which detect segments of viral DNA. I believe bits of viral DNA will float around after your immune system has chopped up the virus resulting in false positives.  Antigen tests may continue to work to detect infectiousness.

One protocol suggests using antigen tests 3 and 5 days after first symptoms (for healthy vaccinated folks who should clear the virus more quickly). If both negative then you should no longer be infectious. This can reduce quarantine times.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 22, 2021, 11:03:22 AM
No NHL at the Olympics is official: https://media.nhl.com/public/news/15568

QuoteNEW YORK (Dec. 22, 2021) – With the National Hockey League's regular-season schedule having been materially disrupted as a result of increasing COVID cases and a rising number of postponed games, the National Hockey League announced today that NHL Players will not participate in the 2022 Winter Olympics in Beijing.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: RedLeaf on December 23, 2021, 10:16:26 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 21, 2021, 04:36:33 PM
Quote from: RedLeaf on December 21, 2021, 04:18:20 PM
Very disappointed. I understand the reasoning, but man it would have been exciting to see McDavid, Crosby & Marner on the same Olympic team. If its not happening for another 4 yrs its not happening at all.

I'd be surprised if they didn't do a World Cup in 2023 like Frank said.

Personally, I think the World Cup of Hockey has slid down the scale of being anything close to meaningful hockey. After the last bastardization of it, it sort of feels like the tournament version of the NHL All-Star weekend. Sadly, the Olympics is really the only version of Best-on Best that matters.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 23, 2021, 10:52:45 AM
Quote from: RedLeaf on December 23, 2021, 10:16:26 AM
Personally, I think the World Cup of Hockey has slid down the scale of being anything close to meaningful hockey. After the last bastardization of it, it sort of feels like the tournament version of the NHL All-Star weekend. Sadly, the Olympics is really the only version of Best-on Best that matters.

How is that different from any other best-on-best tournament, other than the fact that weaker countries aren't being represented? I don't need to see countries like Canada, the US, Russia, etc., beat up on Latvia, Denmark, etc. I want to see the best countries go head to head against each other. Those are the games that are actually entertaining. Give me a tournament that only has the top 6-8 countries - even if that means a European/International team that has the best players from the rest of the world. Get rid of the filler teams.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on December 23, 2021, 12:44:43 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on December 23, 2021, 10:52:45 AM
Quote from: RedLeaf on December 23, 2021, 10:16:26 AM
Personally, I think the World Cup of Hockey has slid down the scale of being anything close to meaningful hockey. After the last bastardization of it, it sort of feels like the tournament version of the NHL All-Star weekend. Sadly, the Olympics is really the only version of Best-on Best that matters.

How is that different from any other best-on-best tournament, other than the fact that weaker countries aren't being represented? I don't need to see countries like Canada, the US, Russia, etc., beat up on Latvia, Denmark, etc. I want to see the best countries go head to head against each other. Those are the games that are actually entertaining. Give me a tournament that only has the top 6-8 countries - even if that means a European/International team that has the best players from the rest of the world. Get rid of the filler teams.
Agree. I also enjoyed the Young Guns team and seeing the new kids play. I thought the hockey was very good.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on December 23, 2021, 01:43:58 PM
I think international tournaments with non-national teams are stupid, especially when one of those teams had all players from countries that were being represented in the tournament. McDavid playing against Canada and Matthews playing against USA just doesn't sit right with me.

The hockey was good, but it wasn't a legitimate international tournament in my opinion.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on December 23, 2021, 03:14:53 PM
Quote from: Frank E on December 21, 2021, 05:31:42 PM
Quote from: L K on December 21, 2021, 05:26:09 PM
Really no other way to approach the COVID testing.  You can put people in isolation for illness but the COVID testing is unreliable for up to a few months after having COVID.

Can you clarify this statement, LK?  Like, if I get COVID, it's tough to figure out if I have it again within a few months of having it previously?

Yes.  The general thought is that there are still fragments of virus that can be detected for weeks, and in some cases potentially a few months after your infection that could still result in a positive PCR test.  It's not a sign of active infection or risk of further spread but the timing is not quite clear.  It could be as little as 10 days or up to 2-3 months that you could hypothetically test positive by PCR/swab result after your infection.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on December 23, 2021, 03:16:54 PM
Quote from: Deebo on December 23, 2021, 01:43:58 PM
I think international tournaments with non-national teams are stupid, especially when one of those teams had all players from countries that were being represented in the tournament. McDavid playing against Canada and Matthews playing against USA just doesn't sit right with me.

The hockey was good, but it wasn't a legitimate international tournament in my opinion.

I know it wouldn't happen but I wouldn't hate if it we had a tournament where we got to put to test the "Would Canada 2 still medal".    Hard to judge that one though as you would have to make sure that "Canada 1" picked the best selections for things including your 13th forward/7th defenseman/3rd goalie.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on December 23, 2021, 04:11:44 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on December 23, 2021, 10:52:45 AM
Quote from: RedLeaf on December 23, 2021, 10:16:26 AM
Personally, I think the World Cup of Hockey has slid down the scale of being anything close to meaningful hockey. After the last bastardization of it, it sort of feels like the tournament version of the NHL All-Star weekend. Sadly, the Olympics is really the only version of Best-on Best that matters.

How is that different from any other best-on-best tournament, other than the fact that weaker countries aren't being represented? I don't need to see countries like Canada, the US, Russia, etc., beat up on Latvia, Denmark, etc. I want to see the best countries go head to head against each other. Those are the games that are actually entertaining. Give me a tournament that only has the top 6-8 countries - even if that means a European/International team that has the best players from the rest of the world. Get rid of the filler teams.

You may not want to see Canada beat up on Latvia etc, but as a fan of GB who have fought tooth and nail to get into that top group GB deserve to be there and playing those teams as they've earned it. Which is how an international tournament should be. Open to whoever earns a place.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: RedLeaf on December 23, 2021, 04:20:17 PM
Quote from: Deebo on December 23, 2021, 01:43:58 PM
I think international tournaments with non-national teams are stupid, especially when one of those teams had all players from countries that were being represented in the tournament. McDavid playing against Canada and Matthews playing against USA just doesn't sit right with me.

The hockey was good, but it wasn't a legitimate international tournament in my opinion.

Yeah. That's what I meant by the bastardization of the last World Cup of Hockey tournament. If its a Best-on-best international tournament with any sort of meaningful play, other than to showcase NHL talent, then why get gimmicky with it?

I'll still watch cause its fun, but it reaches nowhere near the intensity (or TV ratings) of what its like watching teams  playing for Olympic Gold.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on December 23, 2021, 10:56:15 PM

Feels like the larger issue is that, while it was exciting to see the Young Stars team or whatever they were called it fundamentally makes it not a best-on-best tournament because the two best teams in the world aren't really at their best.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 28, 2021, 11:43:55 PM
https://twitter.com/nhl_watcher/status/1476006512518733827
No soap operas. Just instant memes
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 29, 2021, 11:48:01 AM
https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/1476230379216515083

I always love Jack Todd content.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 29, 2021, 12:12:10 PM
Never misses the opportunity for a hilariously bad take.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 29, 2021, 12:15:40 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on December 29, 2021, 12:12:10 PM
Never misses the opportunity for a hilariously bad take.
The "how it's going" part it outstanding, Todd just rips on Duharme constantly.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on December 30, 2021, 02:35:50 PM
Quote from: herman on December 28, 2021, 11:43:55 PM
https://twitter.com/nhl_watcher/status/1476006512518733827
No soap operas. Just instant memes

I. Don't. Understand.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on December 30, 2021, 07:30:44 PM
Was there a rhyme or a reason to the games that the NHL chose to postpone?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 30, 2021, 09:47:25 PM
https://twitter.com/glefrancoisLP/status/1476736788244967431

I didn't think that could be possible.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on December 30, 2021, 10:39:44 PM
https://twitter.com/Peter_Baugh/status/1476639639314124802?t=JqxG0oJKbAS3951Tt2zECA&s=19
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on December 30, 2021, 11:50:43 PM
Didn't know where to put this.

https://twitter.com/JhanHky/status/1476749878738964499?t=3nxF0-IfakIhZNVZIqCtGg&s=19

Much harder to do on the smaller rink, but watching the evolution of total football in hockey is interesting.

In about 20 years you're going to lose your mind when the goalie is routinely starting the play/breakout from between the face off circles.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 31, 2021, 01:20:34 AM
Lol, Victor Hedman was a -6 in a 9-3 loss to Florida.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Peter D. on December 31, 2021, 01:28:52 AM
Quote from: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on December 30, 2021, 11:50:43 PM
Didn't know where to put this.

https://twitter.com/JhanHky/status/1476749878738964499?t=3nxF0-IfakIhZNVZIqCtGg&s=19

Much harder to do on the smaller rink, but watching the evolution of total football in hockey is interesting.

In about 20 years you're going to lose your mind when the goalie is routinely starting the play/breakout from between the face off circles.

I've watched this 10 times and I still have no clue what's so special about what I just saw.  :-\
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on December 31, 2021, 09:03:22 AM
I don't either... Is it because he back tracks and pulls the Travis Dermott spin-o-rama that actually works?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on December 31, 2021, 10:16:17 AM
Quote from: Bender on December 31, 2021, 09:03:22 AM
I don't either... Is it because he back tracks and pulls the Travis Dermott spin-o-rama that actually works?

Jack Han was probably drinking heavily and thought he saw something innovative there.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Groundskeeper Willie on December 31, 2021, 11:03:37 AM
Quote from: Bender on December 30, 2021, 10:39:44 PM
https://twitter.com/Peter_Baugh/status/1476639639314124802?t=JqxG0oJKbAS3951Tt2zECA&s=19
I've watched Johnson play and never thought I'd like him. He just proved me wrong with that great quote lol
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on December 31, 2021, 01:46:11 PM
It's the "total football" approach from soccer in hockey, stretching the ice horizontally and vertically, no player plays a set position, playing into space.

It's becoming more and more common at the tip of the spear on larger ice surfaces.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on January 01, 2022, 05:39:46 PM

Crazy story here:

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/32974562/canucks-assistant-equipment-manager-brian-red-hamilton-finds-woman-saved-life-message-cancerous-mole (https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/32974562/canucks-assistant-equipment-manager-brian-red-hamilton-finds-woman-saved-life-message-cancerous-mole)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 01, 2022, 09:25:16 PM
https://twitter.com/aportzline/status/1477378212611207174

https://twitter.com/alisonl/status/1477407070076899331
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 01, 2022, 11:09:28 PM
Quote from: Nik on January 01, 2022, 05:39:46 PM

Crazy story here:

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/32974562/canucks-assistant-equipment-manager-brian-red-hamilton-finds-woman-saved-life-message-cancerous-mole (https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/32974562/canucks-assistant-equipment-manager-brian-red-hamilton-finds-woman-saved-life-message-cancerous-mole)

https://twitter.com/ryan_s_clark/status/1477484278527131648
https://twitter.com/marisa_ingemi/status/1477415175552585730
That hat is dope
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on January 02, 2022, 12:05:56 PM

This isn't maybe a real scientific thing here but does anyone else sort of feel like we're in a bit of a low point in terms of talent coming into the league? Like, obviously there haven't been any McDavid types in the last five years but beyond that it feels like we've gotten more busts/disappointments towards the top of the draft than we usually do? Obviously anyone drafted in the last 5 years is young and still has time for their career to take off but it just feels like there's not a ton of young players to be really excited about right now.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on January 02, 2022, 01:06:52 PM
Quote from: Nik on January 02, 2022, 12:05:56 PM

This isn't maybe a real scientific thing here but does anyone else sort of feel like we're in a bit of a low point in terms of talent coming into the league? Like, obviously there haven't been any McDavid types in the last five years but beyond that it feels like we've gotten more busts/disappointments towards the top of the draft than we usually do? Obviously anyone drafted in the last 5 years is young and still has time for their career to take off but it just feels like there's not a ton of young players to be really excited about right now.
Part of me thinks that even in the Ovechkin/Crosby era we had those two and the rest, but looking at the last few drafts since Auston was drafted there haven't been many players that have taken the league by storm. In fact most have been pedestrian except for maybe Cale Makar and a couple others. Kappo Kakko, Jack Hughes, Lafreniere, Hischier, Nolan Patrick, Kotkaniemi, Dahlin. They're not bad players but they're not looking like extra special talents out there, even accounting for them not having to be at Matthews/McDavid level. You wonder if Nylander goes top 3 in many of the recent years' drafts.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on January 02, 2022, 01:20:36 PM
Quote from: Bender on January 02, 2022, 01:06:52 PM
Part of me thinks that even in the Ovechkin/Crosby era we had those two and the rest, but looking at the last few drafts since Auston was drafted there haven't been many players that have taken the league by storm. In fact most have been pedestrian except for maybe Cale Makar and a couple others. Kappo Kakko, Jack Hughes, Lafreniere, Hischier, Nolan Patrick, Kotkaniemi, Dahlin. They're not bad players but they're not looking like extra special talents out there, even accounting for them not having to be at Matthews/McDavid level. You wonder if Nylander goes top 3 in many of the recent years' drafts.

Yeah I was going to say that the three best guys to come into the league in the last five years so far are Makar, Quinn Hughes and Svechnikov in Carolina. I think there are a lot of other good players out there but it does feel like a bit of a dry patch.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 02, 2022, 01:22:34 PM
Reminds me of this post from when the NHL announced players wouldn't be going to the Olympics, and how Canada specifically has been lagging a little in producing elite players post-McDavid:

https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/status/1473747622963912713
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on January 02, 2022, 01:27:34 PM

Sigh, Samuel Girard.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on January 02, 2022, 02:40:09 PM
I dunno. I feel like a team lead by McDavid and Bédard is probably going to be pretty good.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on January 02, 2022, 08:25:19 PM
Quote from: Nik on January 02, 2022, 12:05:56 PM

This isn't maybe a real scientific thing here but does anyone else sort of feel like we're in a bit of a low point in terms of talent coming into the league? Like, obviously there haven't been any McDavid types in the last five years but beyond that it feels like we've gotten more busts/disappointments towards the top of the draft than we usually do? Obviously anyone drafted in the last 5 years is young and still has time for their career to take off but it just feels like there's not a ton of young players to be really excited about right now.

This draft doesn't do it for me either.  Next year should be one of those drafts though.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on January 03, 2022, 04:32:22 PM

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/calgary-new-arena-deal-terminated-1.6302872 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/calgary-new-arena-deal-terminated-1.6302872)

Imagine looking at the world today and thinking "Yeah, millions more in public money should be going into a hockey arena".
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Ballardisdead on January 03, 2022, 09:24:36 PM
Where did everyone go?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Ballardisdead on January 03, 2022, 09:45:57 PM
Is bookmaking and wagering still allowed during this current "play regardless" NHL protocol?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 04, 2022, 08:11:33 PM
Wes is the best ..
https://twitter.com/DimFilipovic/status/1478531552476684291
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 04, 2022, 09:17:18 PM
https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNHL/status/1478548820795355140
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 04, 2022, 11:22:06 PM
Deciding not to play for Buffalo this season really paying off.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 04, 2022, 11:51:10 PM
https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/1478531160179359744
Alright folks, let's get your captions in
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on January 05, 2022, 09:37:20 AM
They've really got to do something about these egregious head shots in the NHL.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on January 05, 2022, 09:48:32 AM
(https://i.imgflip.com/6047ah.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: louisstamos on January 05, 2022, 10:18:00 AM
Quote from: herman on January 04, 2022, 11:51:10 PM
https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/1478531160179359744
Alright folks, let's get your captions in

I once got an assist this way...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on January 05, 2022, 10:26:11 AM
Quote from: herman on January 04, 2022, 11:51:10 PM
https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/1478531160179359744
Alright folks, let's get your captions in

I'm not really afraid of the vaccine.

It's just a little prick.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on January 05, 2022, 11:23:04 AM
https://twitter.com/DimFilipovic/status/1478580340847353858
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on January 05, 2022, 11:24:54 AM
Quote from: Frank E on January 05, 2022, 11:23:04 AM
https://twitter.com/DimFilipovic/status/147858034084735385

yeah, amazing goal.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 05, 2022, 11:42:07 AM
Quote from: Frank E on January 05, 2022, 11:23:04 AM
https://twitter.com/DimFilipovic/status/1478580340847353858

It's still mind blowing to me that Colorado was able to hit an absolute home run with that pick, and then steal Samuel Girard from Nashville in the Duchene trade and had Bowen Bryam fall to them a couple years later with a pick they got in that deal as well. And THEN they robbed the Islanders of Devon Toews. Whoever is scouting defencemen over there knows what's up.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Highlander on January 05, 2022, 12:29:15 PM
You are absolutely correct as they unloaded Tyson Barrie.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on January 05, 2022, 12:39:56 PM

I'll be the "but, actually..." guy on this highlight but that's some terrible decision making by #23 there. Obviously you want to guard against the pass but you can't just watch a guy go in all alone on the goalie.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on January 05, 2022, 01:13:29 PM
https://twitter.com/penguins/status/1478780887672180742
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 05, 2022, 01:14:07 PM
Quote from: Nik on January 05, 2022, 12:39:56 PM

I'll be the "but, actually..." guy on this highlight but that's some terrible decision making by #23 there. Obviously you want to guard against the pass but you can't just watch a guy go in all alone on the goalie.
Not to mention the interference run by MacKinnon and the terrible play by Fluery...still trying to figure out exactly where he was going cuz he bit hard on not much of a move..Kid is awesome though.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on January 05, 2022, 02:25:18 PM
Quote from: Frank E on January 05, 2022, 11:23:04 AM
https://twitter.com/DimFilipovic/status/1478580340847353858

Wow.  Just wow.  That looks like a Mitch Marner turn with an Auston Matthews finish.  Good lord.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on January 05, 2022, 04:26:41 PM
Quote from: Highlander on January 05, 2022, 12:29:15 PM
You are absolutely correct as they unloaded Tyson Barrie.

That hurts, man.  :-[
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on January 05, 2022, 04:32:54 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on January 05, 2022, 01:14:07 PM
Quote from: Nik on January 05, 2022, 12:39:56 PM

I'll be the "but, actually..." guy on this highlight but that's some terrible decision making by #23 there. Obviously you want to guard against the pass but you can't just watch a guy go in all alone on the goalie.
Not to mention the interference run by MacKinnon and the terrible play by Fluery...still trying to figure out exactly where he was going cuz he bit hard on not much of a move..Kid is awesome though.

Fleury stretched out in a way that he had no chance to get across if Makar went for the far post.   Had his 5-hole as gaped as possible if Maker put it between the legs and was really only still covering the near post along the ice.  It was a bizarre decision that I can only assume he panicked after Dach decided that he would try and pressure Makar up the ice without actually cornering him off.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on January 05, 2022, 04:35:47 PM
Quote from: L K on January 05, 2022, 04:32:54 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on January 05, 2022, 01:14:07 PM
Quote from: Nik on January 05, 2022, 12:39:56 PM

I'll be the "but, actually..." guy on this highlight but that's some terrible decision making by #23 there. Obviously you want to guard against the pass but you can't just watch a guy go in all alone on the goalie.
Not to mention the interference run by MacKinnon and the terrible play by Fluery...still trying to figure out exactly where he was going cuz he bit hard on not much of a move..Kid is awesome though.

Fleury stretched out in a way that he had no chance to get across if Makar went for the far post.   Had his 5-hole as gaped as possible if Maker put it between the legs and was really only still covering the near post along the ice.  It was a bizarre decision that I can only assume he panicked after Dach decided that he would try and pressure Makar up the ice without actually cornering him off.

Or skating at all. Doing a glide-by on a guy with Makar's speed and skill is just never going to cut it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 06, 2022, 06:37:43 PM
https://twitter.com/walsha/status/1479224384850178060
This is going to be funny for the playoffs if players need to sit due to equipment issues

Players buying back game worn memorabilia would also be hilarious
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 07, 2022, 12:30:04 AM
https://twitter.com/domluszczyszyn/status/1479317571568812040
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on January 07, 2022, 08:55:18 AM
Quote from: herman on January 06, 2022, 06:37:43 PM
https://twitter.com/walsha/status/1479224384850178060
This is going to be funny for the playoffs if players need to sit due to equipment issues

Players buying back game worn memorabilia would also be hilarious

This is a great example of why diversification is important.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 07, 2022, 12:49:37 PM
https://twitter.com/RussoHockey/status/1479495052778868737
https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/1479264192247083015
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 07, 2022, 12:52:54 PM
Quote from: herman on January 07, 2022, 12:49:37 PM
https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/1479264192247083015

Kadri's been suspended 5 games for this incident.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on January 07, 2022, 12:55:56 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 07, 2022, 12:52:54 PM
Kadri's been suspended 5 games for this incident.

I appreciate this joke.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Rob on January 07, 2022, 01:19:10 PM
Quote from: Bender on January 07, 2022, 08:55:18 AM
Quote from: herman on January 06, 2022, 06:37:43 PM
https://twitter.com/walsha/status/1479224384850178060
This is going to be funny for the playoffs if players need to sit due to equipment issues

Players buying back game worn memorabilia would also be hilarious

This is a great example of why diversification is important.

Putting up my size 13 skates on Kijiji for $10K. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on January 08, 2022, 12:07:36 AM
Quote from: Nik on January 05, 2022, 12:39:56 PM

I'll be the "but, actually..." guy on this highlight but that's some terrible decision making by #23 there. Obviously you want to guard against the pass but you can't just watch a guy go in all alone on the goalie.
True, but in watching this I can't help but be reminded of when Rielly got roasted because McDavid is good.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on January 08, 2022, 12:08:04 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 07, 2022, 12:52:54 PM
Quote from: herman on January 07, 2022, 12:49:37 PM
https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/1479264192247083015

Kadri's been suspended 5 games for this incident.
Seems short in all honesty.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on January 08, 2022, 12:10:34 AM
Quote from: herman on January 07, 2022, 12:49:37 PM
https://twitter.com/RussoHockey/status/1479495052778868737
https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/1479264192247083015
Am I the only one who though he probably just didn't process that quick enough to let up on the hit?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on January 08, 2022, 12:08:25 PM
Quote from: Bender on January 08, 2022, 12:10:34 AM
Quote from: herman on January 07, 2022, 12:49:37 PM
https://twitter.com/RussoHockey/status/1479495052778868737
https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/1479264192247083015
Am I the only one who though he probably just didn't process that quick enough to let up on the hit?

This is really the problem with lower end players in the NHL. 

Obvious statement of them playing at lower tier leagues and being immensely talented but the speed of the NHL game is just on a different level.  Too many of these lower end guys who have to make big hits to stay in the league just don't have the ability to adjust in time on plays like this. 

I don't think this was a particularly terrible play compared to some other hits, but Trent Frederic with his 10 points in 81 career games just potentially took out the 12th leading scorer over the past 2 seasons. 

Kaprizov is already in a bit of a vulnerable position battling with the other Bruins player but I think that contact is what makes his lose his balance when he tries to make the turn.  Nothing illegal about that part, but here comes Frederic hoping to lay a big hit on the star player because he's just not that good at playing the puck.

The NHL has a real problem with this stuff. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 08, 2022, 12:29:21 PM
Quote from: Bender on January 08, 2022, 12:10:34 AM
Quote from: herman on January 07, 2022, 12:49:37 PM
https://twitter.com/RussoHockey/status/1479495052778868737
https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/1479264192247083015
Am I the only one who though he probably just didn't process that quick enough to let up on the hit?
I agree.  He almost looks like he tried to let up but too late.

Sent from my moto g(7) power using Tapatalk

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on January 08, 2022, 02:19:21 PM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1479894676438138882
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on January 08, 2022, 06:17:34 PM
Does that sound like zero $ termination to you guys?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 08, 2022, 10:28:32 PM
https://twitter.com/BlueJacketsNHL/status/1480011295952973829
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 09, 2022, 01:28:37 AM
https://twitter.com/dimfilipovic/status/1480032441825775619

[emoji44]
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on January 11, 2022, 01:19:43 PM
Apparently Edmonton has interest in Kane because, why not.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JClipperton_CP/status/1480949231246532608?t=t9jjrBjAoKi_jB7yxyY6RQ&s=08
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on January 11, 2022, 01:39:08 PM
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/red-wings-hire-franchise-legend-nicklas-lidstrom-vp-hockey-operations/

Time for the Leafs to hire Sundin.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on January 11, 2022, 01:41:02 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on January 11, 2022, 01:19:43 PM
Apparently Edmonton has interest in Kane because, why not.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JClipperton_CP/status/1480949231246532608?t=t9jjrBjAoKi_jB7yxyY6RQ&s=08

Holland believes in "second" chances...second?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on January 11, 2022, 01:55:46 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on January 11, 2022, 01:19:43 PM
Apparently Edmonton has interest in Kane because, why not.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JClipperton_CP/status/1480949231246532608?t=t9jjrBjAoKi_jB7yxyY6RQ&s=08
Because of course they do.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 11, 2022, 02:02:31 PM
https://twitter.com/MrBooth07/status/1480970106272313346
;D
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on January 11, 2022, 02:18:13 PM
Quote from: Frank E on January 11, 2022, 01:39:08 PM
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/red-wings-hire-franchise-legend-nicklas-lidstrom-vp-hockey-operations/

Time for the Leafs to hire Sundin.

While I think that would be cool, I get the impression that he's not interested in that kind of work. Or living here. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on January 11, 2022, 02:21:28 PM
Quote from: Frank E on January 11, 2022, 01:41:02 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on January 11, 2022, 01:19:43 PM
Apparently Edmonton has interest in Kane because, why not.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JClipperton_CP/status/1480949231246532608?t=t9jjrBjAoKi_jB7yxyY6RQ&s=08

Holland believes in "second" chances...second?

Yeah so by that logic Buffalo took care of that already.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Highlander on January 11, 2022, 02:30:01 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on January 11, 2022, 02:18:13 PM
Quote from: Frank E on January 11, 2022, 01:39:08 PM
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/red-wings-hire-franchise-legend-nicklas-lidstrom-vp-hockey-operations/

Time for the Leafs to hire Sundin.
He likes to drive his Rolls around Swedin. 

While I think that would be cool, I get the impression that he's not interested in that kind of work. Or living here.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on January 11, 2022, 02:34:09 PM
Character issues with Kane aside, Edmonton is probably the right kind of team to take a chance on him.  Their team is in a free fall and has major problems.  They are cap strapped with a mediocre roster propped up by two phenomenal offensive players.  Kane is a way for them to improve their depth (although is he even vaccinated at this point?).

I don't know why the NHL would allow a guy who keeps forging documents around his vaccination status to be eligible for league play.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 11, 2022, 07:35:30 PM
https://twitter.com/timcpeel20/status/1481035207436386304
Tim Peel with the call
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 11, 2022, 09:59:44 PM
Tim Peel with the *bad call.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 11, 2022, 10:13:41 PM
https://twitter.com/georgerichards/status/1481097280841306112
Florida!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on January 11, 2022, 10:22:22 PM
Quote from: herman on January 11, 2022, 10:13:41 PM
https://twitter.com/georgerichards/status/1481097280841306112
Florida!
Who?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 12, 2022, 07:51:49 PM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1481428386882981888
Ah non!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on January 12, 2022, 10:22:30 PM
Quote from: herman on January 12, 2022, 07:51:49 PM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1481428386882981888
Ah non!
Mais oui!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 13, 2022, 09:45:49 PM
https://twitter.com/tsnryanrishaug/status/1481688987945238531
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 14, 2022, 09:11:28 AM
Nazem Kadri, 4th in league scoring, 2nd in scoring per game, on pace for 131 points this season... not invited to the All-Star Game.

Also, pretty good time for Kadri to become a free agent this summer eh.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on January 14, 2022, 10:49:23 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 14, 2022, 09:11:28 AM
Nazem Kadri, 4th in league scoring, 2nd in scoring per game, on pace for 131 points this season... not invited to the All-Star Game.

Also, pretty good time for Kadri to become a free agent this summer eh.

Can we just stop with the All-Star game then?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on January 14, 2022, 12:01:02 PM
Quote from: Dappleganger on January 14, 2022, 10:49:23 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 14, 2022, 09:11:28 AM
Nazem Kadri, 4th in league scoring, 2nd in scoring per game, on pace for 131 points this season... not invited to the All-Star Game.

Also, pretty good time for Kadri to become a free agent this summer eh.

Can we just stop with the All-Star game then?

I would have bet a lot of money that the All-Star game would have been cancelled...the NHL is actually going to put all their best players in dressing rooms and on the ice together?

This just seemed like a no-brainer to me.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on January 14, 2022, 12:12:49 PM

It really is remarkable the extent to which they've devalued the all-star game. What's worse is that because you don't really have the right group of players there it also makes the only thing about the all-star game that worked, the skills challenge, worse because you don't have the right guys there.

Other leagues' all-star games suck but at least they've remained a good gauge of who the best players in the league are. The NHL can't even really manage that.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on January 14, 2022, 12:33:11 PM
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/matthew-and-brady-tkachuk-get-into-crotch-slashing-spat-during-game-154929189.html

I'm not interested in the article at all, I just love the headline.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 14, 2022, 01:26:29 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on January 14, 2022, 12:33:11 PM
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/matthew-and-brady-tkachuk-get-into-crotch-slashing-spat-during-game-154929189.html

I'm not interested in the article at all, I just love the headline.

https://twitter.com/mikeFAIL/status/1481842832394448896
The headline suggested they would be roshamboing this, so I'm mildly disappoint.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 14, 2022, 02:31:57 PM
https://twitter.com/missincurfew/status/1482004920630792195

I very briefly fell for this.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on January 14, 2022, 04:36:02 PM

I think Brathwaite is the giveaway. He's almost 50.

Young guns and past their primers wouldn't be bad for entertainment value though. I'd rather watch that then the team they sent to Korea.
Title: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 14, 2022, 06:54:17 PM
https://twitter.com/sappysapphic/status/1481786313980497920

https://twitter.com/soioucity/status/1482114347555901442
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 14, 2022, 11:05:38 PM
https://twitter.com/shortshift3/status/1482063946039320577
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 15, 2022, 06:27:43 PM
https://twitter.com/chrisfaber39/status/1482390872649920518
Big fat yikes, and he skates off extremely easy
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 16, 2022, 01:36:14 AM
Oof, the Oilers let Ottawa score 5 in the 3rd and lost 6-4. McDavid 0 points, Draisaitl 1 assist. Definitely time to inject a dude with tons of baggage into the line-up.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on January 16, 2022, 10:08:11 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on January 16, 2022, 01:36:14 AM
Oof, the Oilers let Ottawa score 5 in the 3rd and lost 6-4. McDavid 0 points, Draisaitl 1 assist. Definitely time to inject a dude with tons of baggage into the line-up.

Can he really make things worse?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on January 16, 2022, 10:36:03 AM
Has Ken Holland made a good move in the last decade?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 16, 2022, 11:12:05 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on January 16, 2022, 10:08:11 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on January 16, 2022, 01:36:14 AM
Oof, the Oilers let Ottawa score 5 in the 3rd and lost 6-4. McDavid 0 points, Draisaitl 1 assist. Definitely time to inject a dude with tons of baggage into the line-up.

Can he really make things worse?
Well, I hope so.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: louisstamos on January 17, 2022, 05:52:01 PM
Timo Meier is having himself a game today.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 17, 2022, 06:13:49 PM
Quote from: louisstamos on January 17, 2022, 05:52:01 PM
Timo Meier is having himself a game today.

A: Joe Thornton should've been there
B:
https://twitter.com/arponbasu/status/1483207930518421504
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 17, 2022, 07:45:14 PM
https://twitter.com/arponbasu/status/1483192169720684551
Someone's been flipping through nhl.com
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 18, 2022, 09:18:05 AM
https://twitter.com/NHLBruins/status/1483439960502030337
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 18, 2022, 03:55:20 PM
https://twitter.com/timandfriends/status/1483524422162173958
https://twitter.com/AdamZHerman/status/1483542725714718722
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on January 18, 2022, 04:10:54 PM
Jim Matheson comes off like an idiot. Does he really want the canned answer of "we need to be better in our own zone" or "we need to work harder in the corners"...come on man, what a stupid question.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on January 18, 2022, 04:26:04 PM
https://twitter.com/AdamZHerman/status/1483544094462857222
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on January 18, 2022, 04:33:39 PM
Quote from: herman on January 18, 2022, 03:55:20 PM
https://twitter.com/timandfriends/status/1483524422162173958
https://twitter.com/AdamZHerman/status/1483542725714718722

I thought Draisaltl was pretty reasonable. I mean he was terse and frustrated and didn't want to create a story by blaming anyone in the organization (very reasonable and smart!). He wasn't insulting or provocative.  Reporter seemed like a jerk — failed to show empathy for a player in a tough spot.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on January 18, 2022, 04:45:05 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on January 18, 2022, 04:26:04 PM
https://twitter.com/AdamZHerman/status/1483544094462857222

Nothing says 'maybe I was wrong' than having Steve Simmons in your corner.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 18, 2022, 04:55:14 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on January 18, 2022, 09:18:05 AM
https://twitter.com/NHLBruins/status/1483439960502030337
This is awesome.

Sent from my moto g(7) power using Tapatalk

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 18, 2022, 05:51:28 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on January 18, 2022, 04:10:54 PM
Jim Matheson comes off like an idiot. Does he really want the canned answer of "we need to be better in our own zone" or "we need to work harder in the corners"...come on man, what a stupid question.
Agree...just an assclown trying to get Drai to say something negative about the team ..as in goalies or other personal. No issue with the answers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 18, 2022, 08:05:10 PM
Bruins getting it handed to them by the Canes...5-1 after 1 and it's like men playing against boys. Rask probably won't start the 2nd..he looks terrible like the rest of the team..
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on January 18, 2022, 09:55:26 PM
Quote from: herman on January 18, 2022, 03:55:20 PM
https://twitter.com/timandfriends/status/1483524422162173958
https://twitter.com/AdamZHerman/status/1483542725714718722

I don't know a lot about the Edmonton media's day to day coverage of the Oilers but it seems to me that if you're asking a question as relatively anodyne as "What do you guys have to do better" as some sort of cagey attempt to get a player to say something newsworthy, Matheson accomplished his job fantastically.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 18, 2022, 10:04:06 PM
https://twitter.com/ProducerDrew_/status/1483628373763108869
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on January 19, 2022, 04:47:00 AM
Quote from: princedpw on January 18, 2022, 04:33:39 PM
I thought Draisaltl was pretty reasonable. I mean he was terse and frustrated and didn't want to create a story by blaming anyone in the organization (very reasonable and smart!). He wasn't insulting or provocative.  Reporter seemed like a jerk — failed to show empathy for a player in a tough spot.

It's not a reporter's job to be empathetic to Draisaitl in that situation. In fact it's sort of the opposite. He's supposed to ask Draisaitl a tough question and, to be frank, "Is there one thing in particular you guys need to be better at" is not a particularly tough question. It's not like he's asking "Who is to blame for this stretch?" or "Who's ultimately at fault for the construction of the team". There are about a dozen different typical NHL player ways to give a totally unremarkable calorie free inoffensive answer to that question like "We need to be better on the PP" or "We need to get off to better starts".

I think one of the better signs that this is a case of the general antipathy people have for the hockey media overriding good sense is it doesn't even seem people can pinpoint why "Is there a specific thing your team needs to be better at" is supposedly such an offensive question. To some it's "He's asking Draisaitl to throw other people under the bus" but in the tweets in Herman's post it's "Draisaitl's upset that the Edmonton media is blaming him for the team's failures" and quite obviously it can't be both if the implication is that if Draisaitl were to answer the question he'd be blaming someone else.

I just really think it's weird that we've become so conditioned to hockey players giving safe, no substance answers that people here somehow seem to think that it's then unfair or impolite for media members to ask honest questions that might be "tough" for players to answer. Literally asking tough questions is the job of people in the press. If Draisaitl doesn't want to answer honestly, he doesn't have to. The friction though clearly comes from the fact that Draisaitl can't answer honestly.

And let's be real, "I'll let you do that, you know everything" is being pissy(and undeniably provocative and insulting) and, while it doesn't particularly bother me if a hockey player is snarky with a reporter I think it's likewise fair for a reporter to point that out.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 19, 2022, 08:58:17 AM
About time...
https://twitter.com/TSN_Sports/status/1483488314422444039
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 19, 2022, 09:51:28 AM
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1483796068911484929
this is tempting, tbh
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on January 19, 2022, 10:27:00 AM
I feel like there must be some history between that reporter and Draisaitl.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 19, 2022, 10:39:52 AM
Quote from: Deebo on January 19, 2022, 10:27:00 AM
I feel like there must be some history between that reporter and Draisaitl.

Yeah this is definitely like a Kessel/Feschuk situation.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 19, 2022, 11:17:32 AM
I did not realize that Ovi just took over the scoring lead (partially because the Edmonton duo has only played 1 game in the past 2 weeks). He's up to 55 points in 40 games, putting him at a 113 point pace. That would actually break his previous career high in points of 112, which he set in his 3rd NHL season. He hasn't broken the 100 point mark, or even been on pace for 100 points, since the 09/10 season. Just an insane season for the 36-year old.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 19, 2022, 12:41:11 PM
https://twitter.com/archivistsports/status/1483699080341590018
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 19, 2022, 12:52:27 PM
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1483847080745521152

Chris Johnston wasn't sympathetic to Matheson's approach either, on TSN1050 yesterday.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on January 19, 2022, 01:02:00 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on January 19, 2022, 12:52:27 PM
Chris Johnston wasn't sympathetic to Matheson's approach either, on TSN1050 yesterday.

Really? Johnny Access Merchant didn't approve of annoying a potential source with impertinence?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 19, 2022, 03:39:26 PM
Quote from: Nik on January 19, 2022, 01:02:00 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on January 19, 2022, 12:52:27 PM
Chris Johnston wasn't sympathetic to Matheson's approach either, on TSN1050 yesterday.

Really? Johnny Access Merchant didn't approve of annoying a potential source with impertinence?
Yes, as we all know, Chris Johnston is the only reporter who uses sources and surely Jim Matheson never has used any.

In most of the full 3 minute video clip, Draisaitl answers reasonable questions as adequately as one might expect. No, he is not insightful in any meaningful way. Players in all sports are rarely insightful in meaningful ways in such interviews. It's quicker and easier to be boring, and sometimes they're literally boring personalities.

Matheson starts some questioning trying to explicitly force the narrative of "anger" over frustration (maybe to imply the lack of anger...? I have no idea) onto Draisaitl. Leon doesn't bite and brings it back to frustration. Matheson then explicitly wants Draisaitl to name the #1 problem with the team. The popular answer pretty clearly seems to be goaltending. Unsurprisingly, Draisaitl doesn't give him any useful answer at all.

I'm generally all for reporters asking players hard questions about themselves and their play. If Draisaitl has been playing terribly, go ahead and grill him on that and get specific. But with the "#1 problem" question, Matheson is asking Draisaitl to explicitly call out specific teammates either directly or indirectly, and the only variation of a response we can expect to get from him is the way in which he doesn't answer the question. Sure, players get asked literally all the time what's wrong when a team is losing and unsurpringly we get generic answers. Somehow Matheson things that he asks a question about calling out teammates with extreme specificity that he will get a specific answer. Unsurprisingly, he doesn't.

Was Draisaitl rude? Yeah, sure. Yes, one can say Leon started it with his answer. But I honestly don't blame him, and it was a colourful answer to a stupid line of questioning in an unexpected way, and revealing in its own way. Matheson still comes off as the big baby to me here.

I like Scott Wheeler's thoughts on the whole episode in this thread and in the comments, and you likely would as well:

https://twitter.com/scottcwheeler/status/1483608195385995272
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on January 19, 2022, 07:18:00 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on January 19, 2022, 03:39:26 PM
Yes, as we all know, Chris Johnston is the only reporter who uses sources and surely Jim Matheson never has used any.

I think there's a pretty wide difference between "using sources" and being someone whose whole schtick is relying on sources to know about trades five minutes before other guys. The next time Johnston or Friedman or any "insider" reports something even resembling a difficult or controversial point about a NHL team will be the first and I'm, I think, pretty fairly skeptical on their takes on getting on people's badsides.

Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on January 19, 2022, 03:39:26 PM
I'm generally all for reporters asking players hard questions about themselves and their play. If Draisaitl has been playing terribly, go ahead and grill him on that and get specific.

If you're the leader of a team, whether officially or by virtue of your play, you should be expected to be asked tough questions about the team as well as yourself in bad stretches. That doesn't obligate you to give answers they want, and indeed it almost never results in that, but I don't think that makes the questions themselves out of bounds.   


Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on January 19, 2022, 03:39:26 PM
  But with the "#1 problem" question, Matheson is asking Draisaitl to explicitly call out specific teammates either directly or indirectly, and the only variation of a response we can expect to get from him is the way in which he doesn't answer the question.

No, he doesn't. He asks him "What do you think is the #1 reason for the losses...is there one thing in your mind where you're saying we got to get better at?". Now, you might think that in asking that he's implicitly asking him to criticize teammates but quite literally he's including Draisaitl in the "we" and, accordingly, Draisaitil could have answered with "No, when you're on a losing streak like this it's never one thing" or even answered in a way that implicated himself. Which, of course, is what Draisaitl did albeit in a bit of a brusque manner. My beef isn't with Draisaitl's answer.

But the fact that the hockey world at large has decided that if a team has one glaring flaw that asking any of the players, implicitly or explicitly, to talk about it is off-limits and that any player who answered any such question remotely honestly would make them a horrible teammate and human being doesn't actually mean a reporter shouldn't ask about a glaring flaw that anyone with eyes can see. Even if Matheson had said "Hey Leon, your goaltending sucks, any comments?" it's still a legitimate question if the goaltending sucks. A hockey team's decision to close ranks and not call out individual performances doesn't alter the relationship a journalist should have to what's actually happening on the ice.

I know people resist the comparison of sports media to people who cover more important subjects but any big organization like the Oilers could use the same excuse to duck difficult questions. We, as the public, just wouldn't accept that in any other context. Imagine the head of Coca-Cola PR being like "Hey man, we're not going to comment on all the human waste discovered at our plant in New Mexico. The New Mexico Coke Bottlers are teammates of ours!"

I don't know anything, really, about Matheson and whether he's a good reporter and really my take here isn't about defending him for calling Draisaitl pissy or even criticizing Draisaitl fror being pissy which, given how the Oilers are doing, seems kind of reasonable to me. I'm just genuinely struggling to understand the "Draisaitl doesn't want to answer what might be a difficult question about the team, so the reporter is a jerk for asking it" POV coming from a lot of fans and even some media. Like, at that point why even have a hockey media? So you can ask a player about how he's doing exclusively?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on January 20, 2022, 03:30:43 PM
FLA is certainly deep:  http://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?reportType=season&seasonFrom=20212022&seasonTo=20212022&gameType=2&playerPlayedFor=franchise.33&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=points,goals,assists&page=0&pageSize=50

Interesting beyond Huberdeau's wicked year, Duclair has 30 points in 31GP...Verhaeghe has 32 pts in 38GP.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Highlander on January 20, 2022, 03:45:07 PM
I think Verhaeghe was our 3rd round pick and seemed to have some real potential that we obviously gave up on way to early.  Pity especially when you pick plugs like Biggs, Percy and the Goat in the first round.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 20, 2022, 03:46:01 PM
Quote from: Frank E on January 20, 2022, 03:30:43 PM
FLA is certainly deep:  http://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?reportType=season&seasonFrom=20212022&seasonTo=20212022&gameType=2&playerPlayedFor=franchise.33&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=points,goals,assists&page=0&pageSize=50

Interesting beyond Huberdeau's wicked year, Duclair has 30 points in 31GP...Verhaeghe has 32 pts in 38GP.

Bennet and Reinhart seem like good acquisitions.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 20, 2022, 04:39:02 PM
Quote from: Frank E on January 20, 2022, 03:30:43 PM
FLA is certainly deep:  http://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?reportType=season&seasonFrom=20212022&seasonTo=20212022&gameType=2&playerPlayedFor=franchise.33&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=points,goals,assists&page=0&pageSize=50

Interesting beyond Huberdeau's wicked year, Duclair has 30 points in 31GP...Verhaeghe has 32 pts in 38GP.


Lou gave Verhaeghe away for nothing. Florida is a really good team. I think I'd rather face Tampa...lol. We'll see what happens. Half the year to go still.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on January 20, 2022, 07:50:35 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on January 20, 2022, 04:39:02 PM
Quote from: Frank E on January 20, 2022, 03:30:43 PM
FLA is certainly deep:  http://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?reportType=season&seasonFrom=20212022&seasonTo=20212022&gameType=2&playerPlayedFor=franchise.33&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=points,goals,assists&page=0&pageSize=50

Interesting beyond Huberdeau's wicked year, Duclair has 30 points in 31GP...Verhaeghe has 32 pts in 38GP.


Lou gave Verhaeghe away for nothing. Florida is a really good team. I think I'd rather face Tampa...lol. We'll see what happens. Half the year to go still.
He was never going to make it here. Didn't show anything close to that even in Tampa.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 20, 2022, 11:26:40 PM
Lol oilers
Another jersey hits the ice in Edmonton

Edit: multiple jerseys
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 20, 2022, 11:34:27 PM
https://twitter.com/domluszczyszyn/status/1484375204935581697

Trying and failing to reconcile this with the 6-0 Oilers loss. How do they do it??
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on January 21, 2022, 09:33:47 AM
Fire the GM.  Ken Holland built a terrible team and the coach (and the two star players) are being scapegoated for a guy wasting money on Barrie/Ceci/Keith instead of fixing their glaring need in net.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on January 21, 2022, 09:36:27 AM

I've really never understood the pass the Edmonton organization seems to get from the media. Legitimately trying to imagine what the perception of the Leafs would be if they had the same record of draft picks and failure.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 21, 2022, 09:54:45 AM
Quote from: L K on January 21, 2022, 09:33:47 AM
Fire the GM.  Ken Holland built a terrible team and the coach (and the two star players) are being scapegoated for a guy wasting money on Barrie/Ceci/Keith instead of fixing their glaring need in net.
You forgot Hyman. Nice player but not 5.5 x 7. They have no secondary scoring and their D after Nurse, Bouchard is terrible.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 21, 2022, 02:53:49 PM
https://twitter.com/TheBeaverton/status/1484560016942280704
;D
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 21, 2022, 03:08:05 PM
What's incredible is that's an article from 3 years ago.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 21, 2022, 10:10:49 PM
https://twitter.com/NYIslanders/status/1484723889364164609
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 21, 2022, 11:06:59 PM
https://twitter.com/edmontonoilers/status/1484670080856178688
Edmonton about to turn this 18-wheeler around, baby
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on January 22, 2022, 04:05:37 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on January 21, 2022, 10:10:49 PM
https://twitter.com/NYIslanders/status/1484723889364164609
He was young too! Feel bad for Justin Bourne & his wife as well.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 25, 2022, 02:27:36 PM
So where are people coming down on this Jacob Panetta thing?  Who here thinks that his apology is sincere, and that he just did something dumb by doing something that can be misconstrued?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 25, 2022, 03:53:23 PM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on January 25, 2022, 02:27:36 PM
So where are people coming down on this Jacob Panetta thing?  Who here thinks that his apology is sincere, and that he just did something dumb by doing something that can be misconstrued?
I hope it was a misunderstanding. As for being sincere, I don't know Panetta so unless you do, we have no idea. His greetings and family would know better.....
https://torontosun.com/sports/traikos-maybe-jordan-subban-wasnt-the-victim-of-a-racial-gesture-but-thats-not-the-point?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1643070477
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 25, 2022, 04:42:18 PM
Were you guys not here for the TBLeafer era of tmlfans posting?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 25, 2022, 06:24:19 PM
Quote from: herman on January 25, 2022, 04:42:18 PM
Were you guys not here for the TBLeafer era of tmlfans posting?

I've been here for a while, even though my post count may not show it.  I've been coming here since before the first lockout in 2005.  I remember the hay days of Eklund and Code and people discussing the crazy rumours.  Not sure I know the TBLeafer reference however as my memory on some things is a little fuzzy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 25, 2022, 06:27:23 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on January 25, 2022, 03:53:23 PM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on January 25, 2022, 02:27:36 PM
So where are people coming down on this Jacob Panetta thing?  Who here thinks that his apology is sincere, and that he just did something dumb by doing something that can be misconstrued?
I hope it was a misunderstanding. As for being sincere, I don't know Panetta so unless you do, we have no idea. His greetings and family would know better.....
https://torontosun.com/sports/traikos-maybe-jordan-subban-wasnt-the-victim-of-a-racial-gesture-but-thats-not-the-point?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1643070477

Sincere is probably not the word I should have chosen there.  I guess I just meant if you believed his story that he didn't mean for it to be racially motivated, because he has done it a bunch of other times to other players.

That's a good link and I will give it a read.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 25, 2022, 07:15:46 PM
Quote from: herman on January 25, 2022, 04:42:18 PM
Were you guys not here for the TBLeafer era of tmlfans posting?
I don't remember, please refresh..
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 25, 2022, 07:26:56 PM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on January 25, 2022, 06:27:23 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on January 25, 2022, 03:53:23 PM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on January 25, 2022, 02:27:36 PM
So where are people coming down on this Jacob Panetta thing?  Who here thinks that his apology is sincere, and that he just did something dumb by doing something that can be misconstrued?
I hope it was a misunderstanding. As for being sincere, I don't know Panetta so unless you do, we have no idea. His greetings and family would know better.....
https://torontosun.com/sports/traikos-maybe-jordan-subban-wasnt-the-victim-of-a-racial-gesture-but-thats-not-the-point?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1643070477

Sincere is probably not the word I should have chosen there.  I guess I just meant if you believed his story that he didn't mean for it to be racially motivated, because he has done it a bunch of other times to other players.

That's a good link and I will give it a read.
I'm lead to believe he is telling the truth.  It's not in the article but on Traikos' twitter feed that he has the support of his coaches and teammates. Like I said I hope it's a misunderstanding that will become a learning point and everyone will continue with their careers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 25, 2022, 10:17:23 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on January 25, 2022, 07:26:56 PM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on January 25, 2022, 06:27:23 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on January 25, 2022, 03:53:23 PM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on January 25, 2022, 02:27:36 PM
So where are people coming down on this Jacob Panetta thing?  Who here thinks that his apology is sincere, and that he just did something dumb by doing something that can be misconstrued?
I hope it was a misunderstanding. As for being sincere, I don't know Panetta so unless you do, we have no idea. His greetings and family would know better.....
https://torontosun.com/sports/traikos-maybe-jordan-subban-wasnt-the-victim-of-a-racial-gesture-but-thats-not-the-point?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1643070477

Sincere is probably not the word I should have chosen there.  I guess I just meant if you believed his story that he didn't mean for it to be racially motivated, because he has done it a bunch of other times to other players.

That's a good link and I will give it a read.
I'm lead to believe he is telling the truth.  It's not in the article but on Traikos' twitter feed that he has the support of his coaches and teammates. Like I said I hope it's a misunderstanding that will become a learning point and everyone will continue with their careers.

I think that's the thing.  I hope that if this was the sort of thing that he did before, which is kind of stupid, then he gets a chance to play again and learn not to do this again.  Reminds me of this story:
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/15/magazine/how-one-stupid-tweet-ruined-justine-saccos-life.html 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 25, 2022, 11:47:00 PM
Wait, was Jacob Panetta the victim?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 26, 2022, 07:50:56 AM
Quote from: herman on January 25, 2022, 11:47:00 PM
Wait, was Jacob Panetta the victim?

No and that is a fair point.  Is there a victim here though?  It's that slippery slope based on interpreting his intent which if there was no racially motivated intent, should he be punished as if there was one?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 26, 2022, 09:50:34 AM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on January 26, 2022, 07:50:56 AM
Quote from: herman on January 25, 2022, 11:47:00 PM
Wait, was Jacob Panetta the victim?

No and that is a fair point.  Is there a victim here though?  It's that slippery slope based on interpreting his intent which if there was no racially motivated intent, should he be punished as if there was one?
No he shouldn't be punished if there wasn't intent. I think both players involved can be victims here. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 26, 2022, 10:37:33 AM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on January 26, 2022, 07:50:56 AM
Quote from: herman on January 25, 2022, 11:47:00 PM
Wait, was Jacob Panetta the victim?

No and that is a fair point.  Is there a victim here though?  It's that slippery slope based on interpreting his intent which if there was no racially motivated intent, should he be punished as if there was one?

The slippery slope here is interpreting intent at all, rather than just the impact. Who do you think determines what is considered a racist remark/gesture: the person taking that action, or the person receiving it?

Here's the point I was bringing up about that previous poster. He casually used a derogatory term with no apparent ill intent. People rightly called him out and he doubled/tripled down that it was just normal vernacular in his industry. He eventually recognized he was defending a point of ignorance.

The point of pieces like Traiko's is to centre the conversation not on the actual issue of how hockey culture seems to make it seem acceptable for racist/sexist rhetoric/gestures, but on Zapruder-film analysis of a specific incident to absolve this poor innocent boy with dreams of playing the good old hockey game who was misunderstood and is now being ruined by cancel culture.

Perhaps we should listen instead to all the players of colour who have endured (https://www.espn.com/nhl/insider/insider/story/_/id/33101561/inside-nazem-kadri-career-year-colorado-avalanche-age-31) years of racial abuse (https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/nhl-hockey-diversity-alliance-campaign-aliu-kadri-1.6308544) and had to swallow their tongue for fear of rocking the boat and getting shuttled to nowheresville because coaches would say they have attitude issues and are uncoachable (wow look, an actual systemic cancel culture).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on January 26, 2022, 11:30:24 AM
Quote from: herman on January 26, 2022, 10:37:33 AM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on January 26, 2022, 07:50:56 AM
Quote from: herman on January 25, 2022, 11:47:00 PM
Wait, was Jacob Panetta the victim?

No and that is a fair point.  Is there a victim here though?  It's that slippery slope based on interpreting his intent which if there was no racially motivated intent, should he be punished as if there was one?

The slippery slope here is interpreting intent at all, rather than just the impact. Who do you think determines what is considered a racist remark/gesture: the person taking that action, or the person receiving it?

Here's the point I was bringing up about that previous poster. He casually used a derogatory term with no apparent ill intent. People rightly called him out and he doubled/tripled down that it was just normal vernacular in his industry. He eventually recognized he was defending a point of ignorance.

The point of pieces like Traiko's is to centre the conversation not on the actual issue of how hockey culture seems to make it seem acceptable for racist/sexist rhetoric/gestures, but on Zapruder-film analysis of a specific incident to absolve this poor innocent boy with dreams of playing the good old hockey game who was misunderstood and is now being ruined by cancel culture.

Perhaps we should listen instead to all the players of colour who have endured (https://www.espn.com/nhl/insider/insider/story/_/id/33101561/inside-nazem-kadri-career-year-colorado-avalanche-age-31) years of racial abuse (https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/nhl-hockey-diversity-alliance-campaign-aliu-kadri-1.6308544) and had to swallow their tongue for fear of rocking the boat and getting shuttled to nowheresville because coaches would say they have attitude issues and are uncoachable (wow look, an actual systemic cancel culture).

Yeah, I'm with Herman here. Parsing intent seems kind of ridiculous if what you're left with is "I didn't know that my gesture at a black player would be seen as racist abuse". Like, at some point it's incumbent on a player to know that stuff for himself and ignorance isn't an excuse.

I think too often the people who get reflexively defensive about incidents like this look at racism just as this sort of binary the perpetrator must effectively be a member of a  hate group for his words or actions to have actual racial animus and falling short of that standard there's no real culpability. But if you're going to be a functioning adult in our society it's somewhat incumbent on you to understand that the same gesture/offensive remark can have vary different contexts depending on who it's aimed at.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 26, 2022, 01:47:26 PM
Everyone's a product of their environment in some respects. Members of that environment who are in a privileged and empowered position are generally going to resist changes that are perceived to diminish their standing: why change what's normal and accepted and comfortable (but only for them specifically)? The Blackhawks org sweeping gross misconduct allegations under the rug, Bill Peters lasting as long as he did in coaching NHL teams, Toronto Sun shills leaping to the defense of Panetta and Quenneville, Akim Aliu getting exiled for standing up to racist bullying, is all  the same conversation.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on January 26, 2022, 04:25:55 PM
Quote from: herman on January 26, 2022, 01:47:26 PM
... Toronto Sun shills leaping to the defense of Panetta and Quenneville...

I agree except that I'm having trouble with this part. I've learned a lot about myself (including my own biases) and those of others and the importance of intent vs impact (and I've been on the receiving end.) But it also took until my 30s to start to have a real understanding of these things. I used to struggle with the word "privilege" and what it really meant. Same with "racist" and "racism." But I'm learning -- actively (taking courses/workshops/having conversations, etc.)

These issues are obviously of great importance to you and they should be to everyone. But I think there's some nuance that gets ignored. Panetta is a relatively young man playing in a competitive sports league. While it doesn't matter, I found his response to be genuine.....sincere. While you're absolutely correct that the impact is what's important, I find some of the responses to be dismissive of someone like Panetta; demonizing even.

People are calling for his indefinite suspension; some even for a permanent ban from professional hockey. Is this how we want to teach people?

I don't know Panetta; I don't know Subban. Panetta might be a completely racist douchebag, or he might be a sincere young man who truly regrets -- and has learned from -- this event.

Panetta, like me, likely doesn't understand the impact of these gestures (ill-intentioned or not) as he hasn't experienced life as a black person in white-dominated hockey culture.


I'm not being dismissive nor am I defensive; I think Nik's response about culpability and ignorance is well-articulated.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 26, 2022, 06:52:42 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on January 26, 2022, 04:25:55 PM
Quote from: herman on January 26, 2022, 01:47:26 PM
... Toronto Sun shills leaping to the defense of Panetta and Quenneville...

I agree except that I'm having trouble with this part. I've learned a lot about myself (including my own biases) and those of others and the importance of intent vs impact (and I've been on the receiving end.) But it also took until my 30s to start to have a real understanding of these things. I used to struggle with the word "privilege" and what it really meant. Same with "racist" and "racism." But I'm learning -- actively (taking courses/workshops/having conversations, etc.)

These issues are obviously of great importance to you and they should be to everyone. But I think there's some nuance that gets ignored. Panetta is a relatively young man playing in a competitive sports league. While it doesn't matter, I found his response to be genuine.....sincere. While you're absolutely correct that the impact is what's important, I find some of the responses to be dismissive of someone like Panetta; demonizing even.

People are calling for his indefinite suspension; some even for a permanent ban from professional hockey. Is this how we want to teach people?

I don't know Panetta; I don't know Subban. Panetta might be a completely racist douchebag, or he might be a sincere young man who truly regrets -- and has learned from -- this event.

Panetta, like me, likely doesn't understand the impact of these gestures (ill-intentioned or not) as he hasn't experienced life as a black person in white-dominated hockey culture.


I'm not being dismissive nor am I defensive; I think Nik's response about culpability and ignorance is well-articulated.


EDIT: Herman in this post I assumed you were white.  If you are not, I am sorry for making that assumption.  I shouldn't have done that.  I did it because I thought the story would be more relatable if I used one of the nicest posters on this board.  If it offends you I will modify it.

I think this sums up how I am thinking.  I don't demy that Panetta made a mistake but I think it could have been used as a learning experience instead of him never being able to play in the league anymore.  The sad thing is that this could have been avoided if someone had said to him after he did the body builder pose to one of his white opponents earlier "Hey, I wouldn't ever do that to an African American because it really looks like you are imitating a monkey" but no one did that.

The scenario I have in my head is something along the lines of this.  Let's say Herman runs into a friend in a Starbucks.  He chats for a while, and his friend makes an inside joke, so as Herman is leaving he gives his friend a wink and a smile.  Now as he is doing that he passes an African American and he sees the wink and a smile routine.  Now let's say that in the old days this was a reference to two slave owners making a deal, so the African American rightly so takes offense, records a video of Herman, explains the situation and explains way it is a racist act.  The video goes viral and by the time Herman gets to work, his boss has seen it and fires him for showing that side of himself.

Now I have to say, that I think Herman is one of the most conceitous and cordial posters here, so I would have a really hard time agreeing with him being fired on that basis, but I only know his persona from this site.

I was on a leadership course not to long ago, and I learned a lot about myself and how I view other cultures.  For the course, we had to take a cultural acceptance assessment.  I thought I would do really well in this because I always thought that I was very accepting of other cultures.  I always live learning about how people live and grow in different corners of the world and I find Canadian culture to be somewhat lacking. 

I did okay on the assessment but not as well as I thought I would.  The instructor explained that one of my shortcomings is that when I am dealing with people I wouldn't take culture into account.  Now I did this because I believed that by removing cultural background for everyone I was levelling the field and treating everybody equally, but as she explained, you can't do that because culture helps to define who we are, so by dismissing culture you are essentially dismissing a part of that person.  So now I approach things differently and try to understand a person and their culture and how that plays into them as a human being.  So I'm better today, than I was ten years ago, but it's possible there is a person out there that thinks I hate their culture because I dismissed it in an effort to be fair to everyone.

Like even now I am somewhat scared to post this because I am unsure if I should use the term African American.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 26, 2022, 10:57:48 PM
Well thanks for thinking I'm one of the nicest and most conscientious!

No, I'm not white :) and I took no offense to anything. You don't have to be white to be privileged. Being a cisgendered heterosexual right-handed male is a very privileged position in this society too.

I tried very hard in my response to not outright castigate Panetta; for the most part, I don't actually care about the determination of guilt/innocence here. My response is more to the league(s) and the sport's culture in general being very resistant to recognizing the toxicity within. One of the ways they (media coverage spin control) bury their heads in the sand is to zoom in microscopically on the minutiae of the inciting incident and any foothold (no intent, good reputation among friends and family and teammates) and magnify that to drown out the actual conversation: what upstream policies, cultural norms, influences allowed this to happen?

Like any time someone comes forward about a sexual assault, there is a segment of the media and public that will question what that person was wearing or interrogate how much they had to drink and the news photos of the alleged perpetrator are always of their graduation photos or some other well-to-do picture, while the victim is shown in one of their beach vacation or nightclub photos pulled from facebook.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 27, 2022, 11:12:49 AM
https://twitter.com/craigsmorgan/status/1486712565665202182
Guess how many seats this rink has lol
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on January 27, 2022, 11:24:42 AM
3-4 year temporary home for at team that doesn't have a permanent home available to them after Tempe rejected their development plan (that was really just a plan and didn't have the financial backing to actually implement it)

If the NHL okays this its embarrassing.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on January 27, 2022, 11:42:55 AM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on January 26, 2022, 06:52:42 PM
The scenario I have in my head is something along the lines of this.  Let's say Herman runs into a friend in a Starbucks.  He chats for a while, and his friend makes an inside joke, so as Herman is leaving he gives his friend a wink and a smile.  Now as he is doing that he passes an African American and he sees the wink and a smile routine.  Now let's say that in the old days this was a reference to two slave owners making a deal, so the African American rightly so takes offense, records a video of Herman, explains the situation and explains way it is a racist act.  The video goes viral and by the time Herman gets to work, his boss has seen it and fires him for showing that side of himself.

I understand the point you're going for but I think your hypothetical sort of exposes the problem with this line of thinking because for this to be valid there'd need to be some sort of expression or mannerism that could both be entirely innocent but also widely known and understood to be associated with a terrible historical crime like slavery and it's sort of inherently impossible for something to be both.

I can only sort of speak for myself here but with using my own history of being something of an ethnic minority I feel like people maybe don't understand that, like, instances of prejudice that are commonly experienced by ethnic minorities tend not to be primarily seen through the lens of "Ah good, a chance to teach a wayward youth the error of his ways" and expecting it to be is putting yet another burden on a victimized group. Especially within the context of a fairly public endeavour like professional sports I think the emphasis should probably be more on the "How do we stop this from happening" and not the personal growth of Jacob Panetta. In sports the "How do we discourage this behaviour" is usually about harsh punishment, not a training course on why it's bad to break the rules.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on January 27, 2022, 11:44:40 AM
Quote from: L K on January 27, 2022, 11:24:42 AM
3-4 year temporary home for at team that doesn't have a permanent home available to them after Tempe rejected their development plan (that was really just a plan and didn't have the financial backing to actually implement it)

If the NHL okays this its embarrassing.

At what point do the players, who are "Partners" making 50% of the revenue, get to maybe have a say about one of the 32 teams playing in a 5000 seat arena for 3-4 years instead of looking for a real home?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on January 27, 2022, 11:58:33 AM
Quote from: Nik on January 27, 2022, 11:44:40 AM
Quote from: L K on January 27, 2022, 11:24:42 AM
3-4 year temporary home for at team that doesn't have a permanent home available to them after Tempe rejected their development plan (that was really just a plan and didn't have the financial backing to actually implement it)

If the NHL okays this its embarrassing.

At what point do the players, who are "Partners" making 50% of the revenue, get to maybe have a say about one of the 32 teams playing in a 5000 seat arena for 3-4 years instead of looking for a real home?

At what point does MLSE and the half dozen other franchises that are propping this corpse up finally get a say?

The whole reason moving the Coyotes to ASU works (aside from there is literally no other option because no-oone in Arizona wants to touch them) is because Alex Merulo bought the team to get a gambling licence.  That's all non-hockey related revenue.  So the league gets to subsidize the losses of Arizona being a useless franchise and Merulo gets to pocket gambling money.

Arizona isn't THE reason the Leafs are having to pick away at their team but Arizona being a tire fire absolutely is playing into the flat cap.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on January 27, 2022, 12:03:54 PM
Quote from: L K on January 27, 2022, 11:58:33 AM
At what point does MLSE and the half dozen other franchises that are propping this corpse up finally get a say?

I'm a little less sympathetic there. If those 6 or 7 NHL franchises wanted a say in not being materially responsible for the financial health of the Coyotes franchise they had their chances to not support a cap but did so because they thought it'd ultimately be good for them financially. Likewise, if they don't like the approach Bettman is taking about Arizona I assume they can yell at him about it at the next BoG meeting.

But you do hit on why just the whole nature of the guaranteed revenue split was such a dishonest framework to begin with. Owners have all manner of financial interests related to the game that have nothing to do with HRR but will use their team's balance books to cry poor in CBA negotiations.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 27, 2022, 02:17:45 PM
Quote from: Nik on January 27, 2022, 11:42:55 AM
I can only sort of speak for myself here but with using my own history of being something of an ethnic minority I feel like people maybe don't understand that, like, instances of prejudice that are commonly experienced by ethnic minorities tend not to be primarily seen through the lens of "Ah good, a chance to teach a wayward youth the error of his ways" and expecting it to be is putting yet another burden on a victimized group. Especially within the context of a fairly public endeavour like professional sports I think the emphasis should probably be more on the "How do we stop this from happening" and not the personal growth of Jacob Panetta. In sports the "How do we discourage this behaviour" is usually about harsh punishment, not a training course on why it's bad to break the rules.

This is a salient point. In a slightly ridiculous example, if a young driver (an otherwise an upstanding citizen) accidentally/or negligently struck a pedestrian, should the public and news media be asking said pedestrian to teach this young driver how to drive safer, or blame that pedestrian for walking in the way of the car?

If anything, punitive measures in these instances should target the team: loss of draft capital, forfeiture of games/standings points; it would certainly encourage teams to self-monitor and develop their player pools to weed out those elements, even if their organization does not truly value inclusivity and diversity.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 27, 2022, 07:22:54 PM
EKane to Edm, which was expected and embarrassing for the league
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 27, 2022, 07:28:44 PM
Quote from: herman on January 26, 2022, 10:57:48 PM
Well thanks for thinking I'm one of the nicest and most conscientious!

I enjoy reading your posts and you always take the time to break down what it is that you are posting.  I'm not going to lie, I am sometimes intimidated to enter into a conversation with a differing view because I am not going to be able to do the research required to keep up with the other side, and I don't think that is fair to those that do take the time to research, given the amount of information that people tend to use on this site to support their arguments. 

Quote from: herman on January 26, 2022, 10:57:48 PM
No, I'm not white :) and I took no offense to anything. You don't have to be white to be privileged. Being a cisgendered heterosexual right-handed male is a very privileged position in this society too.

I am glad I didn't offend you.  That is the worst case scenario in my book when entering into a debate.  I like the discussio, and I like the back and forth with different ways of looking at things, but as I have grown older, I try harder and harder to make sure that the discussion doesn't leave scars on people.   

Quote from: herman on January 26, 2022, 10:57:48 PM
I tried very hard in my response to not outright castigate Panetta; for the most part, I don't actually care about the determination of guilt/innocence here. My response is more to the league(s) and the sport's culture in general being very resistant to recognizing the toxicity within. One of the ways they (media coverage spin control) bury their heads in the sand is to zoom in microscopically on the minutiae of the inciting incident and any foothold (no intent, good reputation among friends and family and teammates) and magnify that to drown out the actual conversation: what upstream policies, cultural norms, influences allowed this to happen?

Like any time someone comes forward about a sexual assault, there is a segment of the media and public that will question what that person was wearing or interrogate how much they had to drink and the news photos of the alleged perpetrator are always of their graduation photos or some other well-to-do picture, while the victim is shown in one of their beach vacation or nightclub photos pulled from facebook.

I agree on the media coverage front.  I find more and more it is less about reporting and making sure people are informed on what they need to be informed on and more and more about making sure they get the most people watching their version of the news.   

I'll fully admit that I was ignorant on some of the details on what happened that night.  I hadn't previously read what the crowd did, and after reading that I realize that raising the questions as I did is insensitive to what Subban must have went through that night.  Knowing more of the story, I would have approached the topic differently. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 27, 2022, 08:17:01 PM
Quote from: Nik on January 27, 2022, 11:42:55 AM
I understand the point you're going for but I think your hypothetical sort of exposes the problem with this line of thinking because for this to be valid there'd need to be some sort of expression or mannerism that could both be entirely innocent but also widely known and understood to be associated with a terrible historical crime like slavery and it's sort of inherently impossible for something to be both.

I get what you are saying, but I think it's possible.  I'm an incredibly ignorant person when it comes to these things.  I am not worldly, and it's what causes me to try and learn as much as I can about cultures as I move forward so that I can avoid doing something that offends someone.  Look at the misstep that I made with Herman.  I made assumptions, and I shouldn't have done that.  I try my best, but I make mistakes.

Take the monkey reference that happened in the game.  I honestly didn't know that was a thing until someone threw a banana peel on the ice at Wayne Simmonds during a Flyers preseason game a few years back.  That's the first time I heard the reference.  Up until then, I just didn't know it was a thing.  Now, to be fair, it's not like I would bring that up with someone either, so while the chances are slim, there still is a chance that I could make a joke, or do something without understanding the implications of what I was doing because I was ignorant.  Please don't doubt my ability to be socially inept.  I say sorry alot.  I just found out what "Proud Boys" means from Saturday Night Live because of a MacGruber skit.   

However, that's not what happened here.  I am sure that Jacob Panetta knew about the reference.  My thought pattern was more along the lines of "Did he know he looked like he was imitating a monkey".  Still regardless, he made a choice, and it lead to terrible outcomes, so he needs to deal with the consequences of that.  I guess what I am trying to learn from it is what can I do to make sure I don't insult an entire race of human beings like this, because while I would deal with the consequences of it if I did insult a an entire race, I would rather be a person who didn't insult a entire race, because I would like to be known as a good person. 

And if I am inept, then I look at my children and think "God, it's up to me to educate them", but I think they are further ahead then me.  In the past I've used abstract examples about not being insulting to people or degrading and to focus on the type of person they are over everything else, and then I zero in on the specifics like "You must never ever ever use the n-word.  It is a word that must not be said ever", but honestly there is a lot of ground to cover and I could miss things.  Like, I believe you have mentioned that you have a partial Jewish background.  Now I know a couple of slang words that are derogatory to the Jewish community, and I obviously know the context of World War 2, but outside of that, if there is something else that is big, I am not aware of it.  I try my best.  For example I try to always use the full version of Jewish, just because I think shortening it can lead to a negative connotation sometimes.  Add on top of that the diversity that our world contains, and it becomes very hard to be knowledgeable about everything that is offensive to different cultural or ethnicities. 

For example, I have heard that there are some people that have a problem with Nacho Libre.  They find it insulting.  I have also heard that there are some people who are insulted by the movie Borat.       

Quote from: Nik on January 27, 2022, 11:42:55 AM
I can only sort of speak for myself here but with using my own history of being something of an ethnic minority I feel like people maybe don't understand that, like, instances of prejudice that are commonly experienced by ethnic minorities tend not to be primarily seen through the lens of "Ah good, a chance to teach a wayward youth the error of his ways" and expecting it to be is putting yet another burden on a victimized group. Especially within the context of a fairly public endeavour like professional sports I think the emphasis should probably be more on the "How do we stop this from happening" and not the personal growth of Jacob Panetta. In sports the "How do we discourage this behaviour" is usually about harsh punishment, not a training course on why it's bad to break the rules.

I see what you are saying and the burden side is something that I hadn't considered and it makes total sense.  I think there a couple of things to consider.  There are the large scale things that everyone should know because of history and you should be conscience of the impact of what those things have on the lives of people.  Nobody should need explaining on those.  If you use those references to demean someone, then that makes you a terrible person in my books.   

I do feel though that there are a lot of lesser known things that I don't know about that can be insulting if referenced improperly, and that the only way to make sure they aren't referenced improperly is through education.  Life isn't a shared experience inherently, and that experience is what shapes these feelings.   
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 27, 2022, 08:42:20 PM
Quote from: herman on January 27, 2022, 02:17:45 PM
Quote from: Nik on January 27, 2022, 11:42:55 AM
I can only sort of speak for myself here but with using my own history of being something of an ethnic minority I feel like people maybe don't understand that, like, instances of prejudice that are commonly experienced by ethnic minorities tend not to be primarily seen through the lens of "Ah good, a chance to teach a wayward youth the error of his ways" and expecting it to be is putting yet another burden on a victimized group. Especially within the context of a fairly public endeavour like professional sports I think the emphasis should probably be more on the "How do we stop this from happening" and not the personal growth of Jacob Panetta. In sports the "How do we discourage this behaviour" is usually about harsh punishment, not a training course on why it's bad to break the rules.

This is a salient point. In a slightly ridiculous example, if a young driver (an otherwise an upstanding citizen) accidentally/or negligently struck a pedestrian, should the public and news media be asking said pedestrian to teach this young driver how to drive safer, or blame that pedestrian for walking in the way of the car?

If you are trying to use the analogy to assign fault, then I think it's a hard question to answer because that is situational.  If the driver is doing 80 in a school zone, and doesn't stop for a cross walk, that is on the driver.

However, if the driver is following the posted speed limit, driving within the rules, and a child runs out from between two cars and the driver does not have any humanly possible way to stop the car, then that is on the parents of the child who did not explain to the child that it's dangerous to run between two cars because of physics.

Another example is if the pedestrian is jaywalking.  True story, when I was in high school, me and a couple of friends skipped school to go to the mall.  We were rushing back to school so we could catch our buses home, and we were running across the main street in the town where we grew up.   As we are running across the road, one of my friends gets clipped by a car.  The ambulance shows up, the cops show up, and man did we get in trouble.  That one was definitely on us.     

Quote from: herman on January 27, 2022, 02:17:45 PM
If anything, punitive measures in these instances should target the team: loss of draft capital, forfeiture of games/standings points; it would certainly encourage teams to self-monitor and develop their player pools to weed out those elements, even if their organization does not truly value inclusivity and diversity.

I'm for whatever is going to help reduce these types of incidents.  I am not equipped to understand how it must make people feel that these sorts of incidents still occur.

I was thinking about this last night, and my thoughts drifted to drunk driving.  If you think about it, it's crazy that as early as the the 1980's, drunk driving was still very prevalent (as was driving without your seatbelt on, not really relevant, but still crazy in hindsight).  M.A.D.D gets founded in 1980, and over the course of a decade changes the perception around drunk driving and why we need to stop it.

I am on the outside looking in, but it feels to me like that there has been a lot of talk about how this must change, but there is very little movement forward towards change.  To pull in the MeToo movement into this conversation, it feels like even there, there has been very little progress made in actually improving the situation.  So while a majority of society agrees that these things should change, it feels like there is just enough opposition, or enough powerful opposition to slow forward momentum.

Also it got me thinking about the incident ( not sure if that is the right word, if there is a better one, I am all ears) involving Matthews and the security guard, and in retrospect, I am not sure there was really a penalty there for what he did, other than he didn't get made team captain. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on January 28, 2022, 12:21:41 PM
Quote from: herman on January 27, 2022, 07:22:54 PM
EKane to Edm, which was expected and embarrassing for the league

Desperate times...

3 in row for Edmonton now after last night...and I don't know if you guys saw that McDavid shootout goal...man, that was something pretty.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on January 28, 2022, 01:32:42 PM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on January 27, 2022, 08:17:01 PM
I get what you are saying, but I think it's possible.

If you're saying it's inherently possible for a person to be ignorant of all manner of widely known historical realities, that's true but what I'm saying is that it is impossible for something to be clearly associated with having a terribly racist history and then fall into common usage the way you describe. So someone might not understand the history of the fascist salute but it stretches credulity to believe anyone would be ignorant of its history and then just spontaneously decide to do it for a while. They might not understand it's context and simply be imitating something they saw but people, as a rule, don't come up with fun salutes to give each other. 

Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on January 27, 2022, 08:17:01 PM
Take the monkey reference that happened in the game.  I honestly didn't know that was a thing until someone threw a banana peel on the ice at Wayne Simmonds during a Flyers preseason game a few years back.  That's the first time I heard the reference.  Up until then, I just didn't know it was a thing.  Now, to be fair, it's not like I would bring that up with someone either, so while the chances are slim, there still is a chance that I could make a joke, or do something without understanding the implications of what I was doing because I was ignorant.

Sure but to some extent that's still on you. Being ignorant of something broadly known historically doesn't make you a bad person but to some extent there is a sort of cultural literacy we're all expected to have to function in society and just like someone may not know they're not supposed to, say, smoke pot and drive that doesn't functionally absolve them of the consequences either. There certainly isn't a dearth of opportunities to learn these things.

Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on January 27, 2022, 08:17:01 PM
Like, I believe you have mentioned that you have a partial Jewish background.  Now I know a couple of slang words that are derogatory to the Jewish community, and I obviously know the context of World War 2, but outside of that, if there is something else that is big, I am not aware of it.  I try my best.  For example I try to always use the full version of Jewish, just because I think shortening it can lead to a negative connotation sometimes.  Add on top of that the diversity that our world contains, and it becomes very hard to be knowledgeable about everything that is offensive to different cultural or ethnicities.

Sure and, going on that example, I don't think the expectation here is that everyone's going to have a PhD in everyone elses culture but, again, I do sort of think there's this fairly reasonable situation where you're not expected to know the obscure things that may offend someone but by the same token but by the same token the chance of you really insulting someone by accident by referencing something terribly obscure is pretty unlikely. So for instance you know not to make jokes about the Holocaust because that's pretty well known but, say, if you didn't know about the Holocaust well, it's pretty unlikely that you'd ever just accidentally imply that there was a genocide of European Jews in the 1940's or make any specific references that were associated with Nazi death camps. Likewise, I feel it's somewhat reasonable to expect reasonably intelligent people to have some sort of framework for that stuff.

Along those lines, the idea of a "Court Jew" is an old and relatively unknown instance of Anti-Jewish bigotry from the past so you couldn't reasonably be expected to know about but by that same token the idea that anyone would, refer to their one Jewish friend as their "Court Jew" without knowing that history is so unlikely as to really not be a credible defense if it happened.

So to bring it back to the incident here, I don't think what we're talking about necessarily fits. The issue doesn't seem to be "Panetta doesn't understand that making a gorilla gesture at a black player is offensive" but rather it's "Panetta says he didn't make a gorilla gesture at all". Then it's could what Panetta say he did be reasonably interpreted as an offensive gesture and should he know that and not do it.

So this is where it gets back to what we were saying where it doesn't seem to be particularly useful to try and decipher intent because there's really no way for any of us to know what Panetta was thinking. Ultimately he wasn't careful enough and the league decided it merited legitimate punishment. If the end result is that people think a little more carefully and maybe are overly cautious not to offend an opponent with a childish taunt, racial intent or not, is that really a bad thing? Do any of us really care about the ECHL career of Jacob Panetta?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on January 28, 2022, 03:41:13 PM
https://twitter.com/grumblingspod/status/1487158900570955782?s=20&t=cJOD3yT2lXywdLNkgG7zpg

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: louisstamos on January 28, 2022, 03:43:00 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on January 28, 2022, 03:41:13 PM
https://twitter.com/grumblingspod/status/1487158900570955782?s=20&t=cJOD3yT2lXywdLNkgG7zpg

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Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 28, 2022, 05:37:32 PM
Quote from: Nik on January 28, 2022, 01:32:42 PM
If the end result is that people think a little more carefully and maybe are overly cautious not to offend an opponent with a childish taunt, racial intent or not, is that really a bad thing? Do any of us really care about the ECHL career of Jacob Panetta?

That's a great question.  I was thinking about this last night.  I was worried that people reading my posts would be thinking "It really sounds like SI wants a get out of racist jail free card?", which is not the case, so I was trying to walk back to figure out how we got here.  If you go back to what Bullfrog posted, I think I have a theory on how this sort of conversation goes off the rails like this.

My theory is that some of us put ourselves in Jacob Panetta's shoes.  So it's not that we care about what happens to him, but more along the lines of "What if I did something like that?"

The thing is that I think most of us here are decent human beings. Maybe not as nice as Herman, but still decent human beings.  So there is a disconnect there, because we wouldn't ever really be in that situation.  I think this is where threads centered around victim blaming and a focus on how the offender wasn't in the wrong start and it's just that we are incorrectly trying to construct a defense because we are scared it could happen to us.  That we could be accused of something like this, but we didn't do this horrible thing, because it not who we are or who we want to be.  That's why it doesn't really line up or make sense. 

I think where I have been slow to react, and maybe some others as well, is in realizing the extent to which the emotional bank of race and gender relations is completely empty.  It may even be on fire.  There is no such thing as an honest mistake anymore (maybe there never was).  History, and more recently the multitude of people like Weinstien, Trump, Spacey, C.K., various members of the police force in the United States, etc, etc, etc, have made so many extreme withdrawals from the bank that there is just nothing left, and any sort of goodwill that may have been there that could have been put forth to discuss a potential misunderstanding is gone.  Those races and women that have been carrying that burden of the multiple atrocities that they have suffered have had enough with honest mistakes.

The good news is that I think most decent people are able to read the temperature of society and construct boundaries, and those boundaries are what allow us to avoid situations like that and provide support where needed.  We construct these boundaries from things like "Don't discuss politics or religion in the States" or "Men are worried a women will laugh at her.  Women are worried a man will kill her" and things of that nature that pass around through society.   Some of us have narrower boundaries than others, which is where you get the ruffling around the edges, but for the most part, decent people will stay within the lines.  If you look at our conversation, I think it largely amounts to me whining "But what if I go outside the lines by accident?" and you going "That's on you dumbass", which is fair.  We all need that reality check from time to time, so thanks for bearing with me.   

Now I do feel that we lose something by having to establish those boundaries.  I'm not sure what to call what it is that we lose, maybe human interaction?  I don't really know. I'll give you an example of what I mean.  When the company I worked for was smaller, we were 8 white males ranging in age from 25 to 45 years in age.  One year we hired a 20 year old female co-op, and it scared the beegeezus out of us.  Not because we were extremely unprofessional or anything, but it was just really important to us that we created a positive work environment for her, and we were just worried about any blind spots we might have because there were no other females in the office.  Thankfully we were very successful which I feel is proven by the fact that she came back for another co-op term and still maintains a connection with many of us, even though she has moved on to other ventures.

Now at my work we have this thing where the employees go out for lunch to some random restaurant on Fridays.  It's a part of our company culture.  We were at a restaurant and the waitress comes over and says to the co-op "That's a really nice sweater", and she lights up, and they start talking about where she bought it and it seemed to really pick up the co-ops day.  I realized, that's the sort of thing that no one in my office is going to say to her.  That's one of the boundaries that we have put up.  We don't want to take the chance.  No one in the office wants to comment on something like her clothes, because we don't want there to be a misunderstanding.

It's a small price to pay versus the alternative.  I think that the boundaries do tend to get narrower over time, and so I think that has an effect of separating us further to a certain extent, but that might be just the way it needs to be.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Groundskeeper Willie on January 28, 2022, 05:51:38 PM
I've been following along with this conversation and, while trying not to butt in, I'd just like to say how refreshing it is to see such a civil discourse on the subject. This kind of extremely sensitive topic usually causes explosions on the internet and it is so rare to see it handled so well by everybody on both sides. Kudos to everybody for keeping your emotions in check!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on January 28, 2022, 06:13:52 PM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on January 28, 2022, 05:37:32 PM
The good news is that I think most decent people are able to read the temperature of society and construct boundaries, and those boundaries are what allow us to avoid situations like that and provide support where needed.  We construct these boundaries from things like "Don't discuss politics or religion in the States" or "Men are worried a women will laugh at her.  Women are worried a man will kill her" and things of that nature that pass around through society.   Some of us have narrower boundaries than others, which is where you get the ruffling around the edges, but for the most part, decent people will stay within the lines.  If you look at our conversation, I think it largely amounts to me whining "But what if I go outside the lines by accident?" and you going "That's on you dumbass", which is fair.  We all need that reality check from time to time, so thanks for bearing with me.   

For what it's worth, I think my central point has been less "That's on you, dumbass" and more "that doesn't really happen and that offending people 'by accident' is usually just an excuse used by people who offended people carelessly" and generally speaking my experiences have been that nobody in my day to day life has had a hair trigger with regards to taking offense. Quite the opposite in fact.

I think we've sort of reached the end of this topic's relevance to hockey but I do think it's worth saying that I also sort of disagree with your central theme. The reason, I think, you see these sorts of "boundaries" is not because we're losing anything but because we're making gains in diversity. We weren't closer with each other before people had to worry about offending other people, just some people were more comfortable(the people who offend people) and some were less comfortable(the people who didn't comfortably fit into the norm). The reason racial taunts or gay slurs or whatever are becoming less acceptable within the confines of the game is because we want the game to be a more accepting place and someone like Jordan Subban to think he has just as much right to be there as Jacob Panetta.

I don't know what to tell you man. I've had conversations with female co-workers that would make a dockworker blush.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Groundskeeper Willie on January 28, 2022, 06:28:46 PM


Quote from: Nik on January 28, 2022, 06:13:52 PM

For what it's worth, I think my central point has been less "That's on you, dumbass" and more "that doesn't really happen and that offending people 'by accident' is usually just an excuse used by people who offended people carelessly"

I don't know if this confirms or denies your statement but I can give an example from my personal life that might have resulted in this.

I think by now most people know the "traditional" name for the Romani or Roma people is considered inappropriate. Despite knowing this, for the longest time, I didn't make the connection between that term and the shortened form used in the common saying to refer to somebody who got the short end of a deal. That was just a saying I'd heard people use my entire life and never thought to question the origins of it. Where this saying falls on the scale of inappropriate and insulting things I don't know. I don't think I've ever met somebody of Romani origin, but I could have easily said it in front of somebody who would've taken offense to it.

Maybe I should have been aware of it, but I wasn't then, despite making sure I no longer use it. And I'm not trying to use my ignorance as an excuse, but it makes me concerned that there are more terms like this that I still say out of ignorance.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 28, 2022, 07:15:59 PM
Quote from: Nik on January 28, 2022, 06:13:52 PM
I don't know what to tell you man. I've had conversations with female co-workers that would make a dockworker blush.

Well maybe that is on me.  Like I said, I am socially inept.  Or maybe it's because I work in a field that has a stigma of being toxic for females to work in.

I was paraphrasing a bit to keep the piece short, and maybe add some levity, that's where the dumbass comment came from.

Anyways, you are right on the fact that this has diverged from a hockey perspective, so maybe it should be wrapped up.  I can move on.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on January 28, 2022, 08:03:44 PM
Quote from: Groundskeeper Willie on January 28, 2022, 06:28:46 PM
I don't know if this confirms or denies your statement but I can give an example from my personal life that might have resulted in this.

I think by now most people know the "traditional" name for the Romani or Roma people is considered inappropriate. Despite knowing this, for the longest time, I didn't make the connection between that term and the shortened form used in the common saying to refer to somebody who got the short end of a deal. That was just a saying I'd heard people use my entire life and never thought to question the origins of it. Where this saying falls on the scale of inappropriate and insulting things I don't know. I don't think I've ever met somebody of Romani origin, but I could have easily said it in front of somebody who would've taken offense to it.

Right but you see how your story isn't about an actual person who felt offended by a loaded historical term used without malice but rather about how you used to use a term that potentially could have offended someone? That's the distinction I'm sort of trying to get across. I think it's great that you want to be more considerate of the feelings of other people but the suggestion that we're living in a verbal minefield where one wrong innocent step results in "How dare you say that to me!?! Don't you know that term sounds similar to one that was used in the 13th century about people from the particular region of Poland my family is from?!? I'm going to HR!" thing doesn't really hold true in any actual cases involving real people.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 28, 2022, 08:10:31 PM
Quote from: Nik on January 28, 2022, 08:03:44 PM
Quote from: Groundskeeper Willie on January 28, 2022, 06:28:46 PM
I don't know if this confirms or denies your statement but I can give an example from my personal life that might have resulted in this.

I think by now most people know the "traditional" name for the Romani or Roma people is considered inappropriate. Despite knowing this, for the longest time, I didn't make the connection between that term and the shortened form used in the common saying to refer to somebody who got the short end of a deal. That was just a saying I'd heard people use my entire life and never thought to question the origins of it. Where this saying falls on the scale of inappropriate and insulting things I don't know. I don't think I've ever met somebody of Romani origin, but I could have easily said it in front of somebody who would've taken offense to it.

Right but you see how your story isn't about an actual person who felt offended by a loaded historical term used without malice but rather about how you used to use a term that potentially could have offended someone? That's the distinction I'm sort of trying to get across. I think it's great that you want to be more considerate of the feelings of other people but the suggestion that we're living in a verbal minefield where one wrong innocent step results in "How dare you say that to me!?! Don't you know that term sounds similar to one that was used in the 13th century about people from the particular region of Poland my family is from?!? I'm going to HR!" thing doesn't really hold true in any actual cases involving real people.

I'm just glad you responded to this, because I said I was going to move on just as Groundskeeper Willie shares this secret from his past and I was kinda worried that he would think that everybody now hated him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on January 28, 2022, 08:42:10 PM
I've been watching this conversation, and like Willie, I do appreciate that everyone has been quite civil in this discussion.
I do care what happens to Jacob as a person, but unfortunately, it's up to him to know what he can and can't do. Ignorance isn't ever an excuse.

Much like the challenges of the indigenous in Canada and around the world, they will educate us, but we have to actually listen. They've been trying to, but we only choose to listen when we are caught doing something offensive. That's not good enough.

In regards to race and sex, we of privilege are guilty of reacting when we caught, as opposed to being proactive. There's way to educate yourself. Read a book. Listen to a podcast. Talk to your neighbour.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on January 28, 2022, 09:06:03 PM
Quote from: louisstamos on January 28, 2022, 03:43:00 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on January 28, 2022, 03:41:13 PM
https://twitter.com/grumblingspod/status/1487158900570955782?s=20&t=cJOD3yT2lXywdLNkgG7zpg

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Is this satire?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on January 28, 2022, 09:29:40 PM
Quote from: princedpw on January 28, 2022, 09:06:03 PM
Quote from: louisstamos on January 28, 2022, 03:43:00 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on January 28, 2022, 03:41:13 PM
https://twitter.com/grumblingspod/status/1487158900570955782?s=20&t=cJOD3yT2lXywdLNkgG7zpg

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Is this satire?

Yes.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on January 28, 2022, 10:20:58 PM
Quote from: Groundskeeper Willie on January 28, 2022, 05:51:38 PM
I've been following along with this conversation and, while trying not to butt in, I'd just like to say how refreshing it is to see such a civil discourse on the subject. This kind of extremely sensitive topic usually causes explosions on the internet and it is so rare to see it handled so well by everybody on both sides. Kudos to everybody for keeping your emotions in check!

I want to echo what you've said here, except for one little quibble: there aren't two sides. That's partly why internet discussions often explode: there's a divide between us and them, their view/my view, etc. There's a reluctance to admit ignorance, or that someone knows more than you on a subject. Not to mention the numerous logical fallacies and biases that are prevalent and go unchecked or challenged.

People can disagree on a point and be civil. We all have biases, and we need to start becoming comfortable with that and comfortable with acknowledging it.

In a somewhat related story to IS, I took bias training where we did Hardvard's bias examination (can't remember what it's called.) EVERYONE was uncomfortable with their own results.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Groundskeeper Willie on January 29, 2022, 09:25:30 AM


Quote from: Nik on January 28, 2022, 08:03:44 PM
Quote from: Groundskeeper Willie on January 28, 2022, 06:28:46 PM
I don't know if this confirms or denies your statement but I can give an example from my personal life that might have resulted in this.

I think by now most people know the "traditional" name for the Romani or Roma people is considered inappropriate. Despite knowing this, for the longest time, I didn't make the connection between that term and the shortened form used in the common saying to refer to somebody who got the short end of a deal. That was just a saying I'd heard people use my entire life and never thought to question the origins of it. Where this saying falls on the scale of inappropriate and insulting things I don't know. I don't think I've ever met somebody of Romani origin, but I could have easily said it in front of somebody who would've taken offense to it.

Right but you see how your story isn't about an actual person who felt offended by a loaded historical term used without malice but rather about how you used to use a term that potentially could have offended someone? That's the distinction I'm sort of trying to get across. I think it's great that you want to be more considerate of the feelings of other people but the suggestion that we're living in a verbal minefield where one wrong innocent step results in "How dare you say that to me!?! Don't you know that term sounds similar to one that was used in the 13th century about people from the particular region of Poland my family is from?!? I'm going to HR!" thing doesn't really hold true in any actual cases involving real people.

Sure, but that's the fear of many average people. That fear is what drives many of these discussions to devolve into sides that are both entrenched in their views of the other side being an enemy.

I'm a cautious person by nature so I tip toward the side that goes overboard trying to avoid offending people, just like SI's comment about avoiding complimenting a female co-worker's new clothes. But there are lots of average people who tip slightly the other way and suddenly they are now lumped in with the extremists and preventing society from moving forward and improving on the topic.

I'm hesitant to use this analogy, but it's a little like drunk driving. The punishments for doing it are harsh and they have to be harsh. From personal experience I am glad they are harsh, because there is a certain extremist part of society that just doesn't get it. But they are also harsh on the person who had one too many, legitimately thought they were fine only to blow over at a random check ride. That person thought they were good but still did something wrong, but without access to the proper tools to test themselves before hand how were they supposed to know? I react to that by only having one or two if I know I'm driving, but lots of others think they're good and then get punished the same as the extremists.

It's the (maybe irrational) fear of excessive punishment that pushes a lot moderates onto the side of the extremists and makes the extremists stronger and prevents society from moving forward.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Groundskeeper Willie on January 29, 2022, 09:26:14 AM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on January 28, 2022, 08:10:31 PM
Quote from: Nik on January 28, 2022, 08:03:44 PM
Quote from: Groundskeeper Willie on January 28, 2022, 06:28:46 PM
I don't know if this confirms or denies your statement but I can give an example from my personal life that might have resulted in this.

I think by now most people know the "traditional" name for the Romani or Roma people is considered inappropriate. Despite knowing this, for the longest time, I didn't make the connection between that term and the shortened form used in the common saying to refer to somebody who got the short end of a deal. That was just a saying I'd heard people use my entire life and never thought to question the origins of it. Where this saying falls on the scale of inappropriate and insulting things I don't know. I don't think I've ever met somebody of Romani origin, but I could have easily said it in front of somebody who would've taken offense to it.

Right but you see how your story isn't about an actual person who felt offended by a loaded historical term used without malice but rather about how you used to use a term that potentially could have offended someone? That's the distinction I'm sort of trying to get across. I think it's great that you want to be more considerate of the feelings of other people but the suggestion that we're living in a verbal minefield where one wrong innocent step results in "How dare you say that to me!?! Don't you know that term sounds similar to one that was used in the 13th century about people from the particular region of Poland my family is from?!? I'm going to HR!" thing doesn't really hold true in any actual cases involving real people.

I'm just glad you responded to this, because I said I was going to move on just as Groundskeeper Willie shares this secret from his past and I was kinda worried that he would think that everybody now hated him.
No worries! Sorry for jumping in late and extending a conversation that maybe should have naturally ended already.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Groundskeeper Willie on January 29, 2022, 09:31:01 AM


Quote from: Bullfrog on January 28, 2022, 10:20:58 PM
Quote from: Groundskeeper Willie on January 28, 2022, 05:51:38 PM
I've been following along with this conversation and, while trying not to butt in, I'd just like to say how refreshing it is to see such a civil discourse on the subject. This kind of extremely sensitive topic usually causes explosions on the internet and it is so rare to see it handled so well by everybody on both sides. Kudos to everybody for keeping your emotions in check!

I want to echo what you've said here, except for one little quibble: there aren't two sides. That's partly why internet discussions often explode: there's a divide between us and them, their view/my view, etc. There's a reluctance to admit ignorance, or that someone knows more than you on a subject. Not to mention the numerous logical fallacies and biases that are prevalent and go unchecked or challenged.

People can disagree on a point and be civil. We all have biases, and we need to start becoming comfortable with that and comfortable with acknowledging it.

In a somewhat related story to IS, I took bias training where we did Hardvard's bias examination (can't remember what it's called.) EVERYONE was uncomfortable with their own results.

Saying there are two sides was probably an oversimplification. There's a spectrum of opinions and all those opinions have calmly listened to the other opinions without getting defensive. In the age of the internet that is exceptionally rare and I just wanted to highlight how nice it was to not have extremists taking over.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on January 29, 2022, 12:56:22 PM
Quote from: Groundskeeper Willie on January 29, 2022, 09:25:30 AM
Sure, but that's the fear of many average people. That fear is what drives many of these discussions to devolve into sides that are both entrenched in their views of the other side being an enemy.

Ok but I really don't know to what extent the fears people have of something that doesn't happen should play into a mature discussion of the subject.

Quote from: Groundskeeper Willie on January 29, 2022, 09:25:30 AM
I'm hesitant to use this analogy, but it's a little like drunk driving. The punishments for doing it are harsh and they have to be harsh. From personal experience I am glad they are harsh, because there is a certain extremist part of society that just doesn't get it. But they are also harsh on the person who had one too many, legitimately thought they were fine only to blow over at a random check ride. That person thought they were good but still did something wrong, but without access to the proper tools to test themselves before hand how were they supposed to know? I react to that by only having one or two if I know I'm driving, but lots of others think they're good and then get punished the same as the extremists.

Except that in no way shape or form resembles what our drunk driving laws are. Our drunk driving laws very much factor things in like "Is this a first offense" and "How serious a transgression was it?" to the point that the people who commit multiple violations are punished more harshly than someone who blows a .09 after a Christmas party and a person who smashes his car into another and kills people gets a harsher sentence than someone who just gets pulled over by the police because they were swerving a little. In fact, our drunk driving laws are a perfect reflection of how context is very much taken into question and an important factor when sentencing for the offense is decided and while there are minimums, they're not actually that harsh, especially for first offenses. 

So, in a way, it's a good metaphor because just like what we're talking about, the idea of wild overreactions to innocuous missteps don't exist in either scenario. Nobody is doing 30 years to life because they had two beers before driving home and ran a red.

Quote from: Groundskeeper Willie on January 29, 2022, 09:25:30 AM
It's the (maybe irrational) fear of excessive punishment that pushes a lot moderates onto the side of the extremists and makes the extremists stronger and prevents society from moving forward.

If I told you that I was going to drink as much as I wanted without any regard for the drunk driving laws(or whatever the "Extremists" do in your analogy) because of how harsh the drunk driving laws were would you think there was something wrong with society and how we treat the offense of drunk driving or would you think there was something deeply wrong with me?

I get that there are a lot of people out there whose worldviews are shaped by bad information. I'm reminded often of the court case where McDonald's was sued over the temperature of their coffee and it was soon forwarded in emails from Uncles everywhere about "What is the world coming to? Newsflash Coffee is Hot!" when in fact it was a very legitimate lawsuit where McDonald's was serving coffee over the legal temperature, had been warned multiple times, a woman suffered severe burns as a result and the high damages were because McDonald's is a big corporation that wouldn't feel a smaller award. I appreciate that we live in a world where many grifters want to turn our society into a 24/7 culture war but the idea that we live in a world where people are routinely tarred and feathered for saying "Gosh Carol, what a nice hat" to a co-worker...it just doesn't exist so I really don't know why we should be talking it in this situation like it's a real concern.

We've gone very far afield now but again I come back to just the truth that what you're describing bears very little resemblance to the world I see. I don't see hair triggers where one minor misstep results in excessively harsh punishments. I tend to see the opposite where many, many missteps tend to be met with a slap on the wrist and the anger people see is cumulative where we see the results of the proverbial straw breaking a back and a segment of the hockey world saying "But how could a straw break a back? It's so light."

This wasn't Jordan Subban's first experience with racial abuse. Ask any minority hockey player about this issue and they'll say it. They've been saying so for years. It's why the NHL felt the need to establish their diversity committee. And, quite frankly, I think it shows just how protected people have been from this in the past that basically any serious consequences whatsoever is met from some quarters with "Woah, woah, woah, have we gone too far?".
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 29, 2022, 03:07:26 PM
Quote from: Nik on January 29, 2022, 12:56:22 PM
Quote from: Groundskeeper Willie on January 29, 2022, 09:25:30 AM
Sure, but that's the fear of many average people. That fear is what drives many of these discussions to devolve into sides that are both entrenched in their views of the other side being an enemy.

Ok but I really don't know to what extent the fears people have of something that doesn't happen should play into a mature discussion of the subject.

Quote from: Groundskeeper Willie on January 29, 2022, 09:25:30 AM
I'm hesitant to use this analogy, but it's a little like drunk driving. The punishments for doing it are harsh and they have to be harsh. From personal experience I am glad they are harsh, because there is a certain extremist part of society that just doesn't get it. But they are also harsh on the person who had one too many, legitimately thought they were fine only to blow over at a random check ride. That person thought they were good but still did something wrong, but without access to the proper tools to test themselves before hand how were they supposed to know? I react to that by only having one or two if I know I'm driving, but lots of others think they're good and then get punished the same as the extremists.

Except that in no way shape or form resembles what our drunk driving laws are. Our drunk driving laws very much factor things in like "Is this a first offense" and "How serious a transgression was it?" to the point that the people who commit multiple violations are punished more harshly than someone who blows a .09 after a Christmas party and a person who smashes his car into another and kills people gets a harsher sentence than someone who just gets pulled over by the police because they were swerving a little. In fact, our drunk driving laws are a perfect reflection of how context is very much taken into question and an important factor when sentencing for the offense is decided and while there are minimums, they're not actually that harsh, especially for first offenses. 

So, in a way, it's a good metaphor because just like what we're talking about, the idea of wild overreactions to innocuous missteps don't exist in either scenario. Nobody is doing 30 years to life because they had two beers before driving home and ran a red.

Quote from: Groundskeeper Willie on January 29, 2022, 09:25:30 AM
It's the (maybe irrational) fear of excessive punishment that pushes a lot moderates onto the side of the extremists and makes the extremists stronger and prevents society from moving forward.

If I told you that I was going to drink as much as I wanted without any regard for the drunk driving laws(or whatever the "Extremists" do in your analogy) because of how harsh the drunk driving laws were would you think there was something wrong with society and how we treat the offense of drunk driving or would you think there was something deeply wrong with me?

I get that there are a lot of people out there whose worldviews are shaped by bad information. I'm reminded often of the court case where McDonald's was sued over the temperature of their coffee and it was soon forwarded in emails from Uncles everywhere about "What is the world coming to? Newsflash Coffee is Hot!" when in fact it was a very legitimate lawsuit where McDonald's was serving coffee over the legal temperature, had been warned multiple times, a woman suffered severe burns as a result and the high damages were because McDonald's is a big corporation that wouldn't feel a smaller award. I appreciate that we live in a world where many grifters want to turn our society into a 24/7 culture war but the idea that we live in a world where people are routinely tarred and feathered for saying "Gosh Carol, what a nice hat" to a co-worker...it just doesn't exist so I really don't know why we should be talking it in this situation like it's a real concern.

We've gone very far afield now but again I come back to just the truth that what you're describing bears very little resemblance to the world I see. I don't see hair triggers where one minor misstep results in excessively harsh punishments. I tend to see the opposite where many, many missteps tend to be met with a slap on the wrist and the anger people see is cumulative where we see the results of the proverbial straw breaking a back and a segment of the hockey world saying "But how could a straw break a back? It's so light."

This wasn't Jordan Subban's first experience with racial abuse. Ask any minority hockey player about this issue and they'll say it. They've been saying so for years. It's why the NHL felt the need to establish their diversity committee. And, quite frankly, I think it shows just how protected people have been from this in the past that basically any serious consequences whatsoever is met from some quarters with "Woah, woah, woah, have we gone too far?".

I know that I said I was going to move on.  In reading that post Nik, it has a frustrated tone to it, so I just wanted to jump back in and say that I took this conversation way out into left field.  I understand what you are saying Nik, and that you have had to say it over and over again which I think is leading to your frustration. 

I have been caught in a fairly negative news cycle.  You are 100% correct in that I have lead a sheltered life when it comes to these sorts of social problems.  When stuff started coming to light a couple of years ago, it shocked me on how little I knew, and just how bad things were.  And I am still shocked.  In the last month I have been exposed to:

- A tik tok where an African American UPS driver is crying on screen because he took to long a stop sign, and an angry driver spit on him.
- A video of two girls who were terrorized by these two guys who wouldn't stop trying to ask them out, and then when they were told no they started insulting the girls.
- My friends 13 year old daughter and her friends being followed home from a Tim Hortons and continually being propositioned by older boys.
- Reading a particularly discouraging reddit channel that was comprised of female workers at grocery stores and best buys in which they talked about how they "dressed ugly" when they go to work to prevent getting hit on incessantly.
- One of sons school friends getting called the n-word.
- A story from one of my female co-workers who was explaining how one of her other female co-workers had to endure the manager constantly ranking her lip stick on a "sexiness scale" in a creepy fashion for over a year  at a coffee shop job they had when they were younger.

Then this Panetta thing.

And I am sure there is so much more.

Things feel bad for me right now.  I'm shocked at how bad the world is for some people.  I'll say it again, I am really misinformed, and I guess that misinformed-ness has really rocked my confidence on how well I really see the world.  That lack of confidence in my judgment is what lead this conversation down this path. 

Anyways, as everyone has said you move forward with:
- Check you biases
- Get informed
- Be self-aware
- Communicate
- Support where you can

And that's what you do.

Anyways, lets get out of this rabbit hole and go watch some hockey tonight, as this isn't the right forum to discuss this.   
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on January 29, 2022, 03:48:35 PM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on January 29, 2022, 03:07:26 PM
I know that I said I was going to move on.  In reading that post Nik, it has a frustrated tone to it, so I just wanted to jump back in and say that I took this conversation way out into left field.  I understand what you are saying Nik, and that you have had to say it over and over again which I think is leading to your frustration. 

I swear I'm not trying to be argumentative but for what it's worth:

A) I don't feel especially frustrated.
B) Despite the fact that there are obviously tensions in society, I actually think we're in a much better place when it comes to talking about our differences than we've ever been and that things will only improve.
C) I actually think it's very good that we sometimes use this board to talk about issues around the game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 29, 2022, 04:16:43 PM
Quote from: Nik on January 29, 2022, 03:48:35 PM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on January 29, 2022, 03:07:26 PM
I know that I said I was going to move on.  In reading that post Nik, it has a frustrated tone to it, so I just wanted to jump back in and say that I took this conversation way out into left field.  I understand what you are saying Nik, and that you have had to say it over and over again which I think is leading to your frustration. 

I swear I'm not trying to be argumentative but for what it's worth:

A) I don't feel especially frustrated.
B) Despite the fact that there are obviously tensions in society, I actually think we're in a much better place when it comes to talking about our differences than we've ever been and that things will only improve.
C) I actually think it's very good that we sometimes use this board to talk about issues around the game.

Alright, but if there are any hurt feelings because of the shout outs to Herman, I want you to know:

-This conversation couldn't have happened without you.
- I think that you are also nice.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on January 29, 2022, 07:09:00 PM
I'm really enjoying the discussion here.

It's amusing seeing the contrast of the Sportsnet/HNIC fawning over the debut of Evander Kane in Edmonton.   Not trying to equate the two issues but just a good reminder that "it doesn't matter if you play hockey well" is one of the biggest barriers to making positive change in the game
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Groundskeeper Willie on January 30, 2022, 09:27:46 AM


Quote from: Nik on January 29, 2022, 12:56:22 PM
We've gone very far afield now but again I come back to just the truth that what you're describing bears very little resemblance to the world I see. I don't see hair triggers where one minor misstep results in excessively harsh punishments. I tend to see the opposite where many, many missteps tend to be met with a slap on the wrist and the anger people see is cumulative where we see the results of the proverbial straw breaking a back and a segment of the hockey world saying "But how could a straw break a back? It's so light."

This wasn't Jordan Subban's first experience with racial abuse. Ask any minority hockey player about this issue and they'll say it. They've been saying so for years. It's why the NHL felt the need to establish their diversity committee. And, quite frankly, I think it shows just how protected people have been from this in the past that basically any serious consequences whatsoever is met from some quarters with "Woah, woah, woah, have we gone too far?".

You may very well be right on all of it Nik. I wasn't trying to defend people who think that way but rather try to explain why they think that way and what it'll take to get them to stop instinctively getting defensive and forcing them onto the side of the people who are really causing the problems.

Either way it's probably best to leave the discussion where it is now.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on January 31, 2022, 07:10:32 AM
Colorado just finished January by going 15-0-1
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on January 31, 2022, 08:51:01 AM
Quote from: L K on January 31, 2022, 07:10:32 AM
Colorado just finished January by going 15-0-1

Leafs are going 15-0-1 in May/June
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on January 31, 2022, 08:58:41 AM
Quote from: L K on January 31, 2022, 07:10:32 AM
Colorado just finished January by going 15-0-1

Peaking in January does feel like a very Colorado thing to do.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 31, 2022, 10:17:15 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on January 31, 2022, 08:58:41 AM
Quote from: L K on January 31, 2022, 07:10:32 AM
Colorado just finished January by going 15-0-1

Peaking in January does feel like a very Colorado thing to do.

They only had 6 away games in this post-Covid pause stretch (CHIx2, NSH, LAK, ARI, ANA); i.e. playing at high elevation after most teams got waylaid by a respiratory virus seems might be a thing.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 01, 2022, 09:04:49 AM
https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/status/1488345106700587011

For the sake of comparison, the Islanders have 88 goals all season.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 01, 2022, 09:08:16 AM
Wow.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 01, 2022, 06:32:34 PM
https://twitter.com/seanshapiro/status/1488572245660389380
Haha I wonder why
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 01, 2022, 07:39:14 PM
Quote from: herman on February 01, 2022, 06:32:34 PM
https://twitter.com/seanshapiro/status/1488572245660389380
Haha I wonder why
Move the team...plenty of places to go.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on February 01, 2022, 08:34:09 PM
Quote from: herman on February 01, 2022, 06:32:34 PM
https://twitter.com/seanshapiro/status/1488572245660389380
Haha I wonder why
Sunk cost fallacy on the grandest scale.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 02, 2022, 08:45:02 AM
Colorado's 18-game home winning streak was ended by Scott Wedgewood and the 11-29-4 Arizona Coyotes. Giving up 2 goals to that team is pathetic.  Im sorry.  Its true.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 02, 2022, 09:03:40 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 02, 2022, 08:45:02 AM
Colorado's 18-game home winning streak was ended by Scott Wedgewood and the 11-29-4 Arizona Coyotes. Giving up 2 goals to that team is pathetic.  Im sorry.  Its true.

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/022/017/thumb.png)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 02, 2022, 09:05:43 AM
Did you see the Coyotes lineup that night?
https://twitter.com/ArizonaCoyotes/status/1488691243576020992
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on February 02, 2022, 09:15:21 AM
So ghost-bear who couldn't make the Flyers is the #1 D and Galchenyuk who couldn't make the Leafs is the #1C.  Sounds promising.  How did they do?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 02, 2022, 09:28:53 AM
Presented without comment:

https://twitter.com/njdevils/status/1488634692077338631
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 02, 2022, 09:50:30 AM
Quote from: princedpw on February 02, 2022, 09:15:21 AM
So ghost-bear who couldn't make the Flyers is the #1 D and Galchenyuk who couldn't make the Leafs is the #1C.  Sounds promising.  How did they do?

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 02, 2022, 08:45:02 AM
Colorado's 18-game home winning streak was ended by Scott Wedgewood and the 11-29-4 Arizona Coyotes. Giving up 2 goals to that team is pathetic.  Im sorry.  Its true.

3-2 SO victory for the Coyotes; only SO goal coming from 1C Alex Galchenyuk
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on February 02, 2022, 10:13:44 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on February 02, 2022, 09:28:53 AM
Presented without comment:

https://twitter.com/njdevils/status/1488634692077338631
Ummmmm..... [emoji51]
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 02, 2022, 10:38:24 AM
They were aiming for Luck
(https://donsnotes.com/cultures/images/fu-lu-shou.gif)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 02, 2022, 10:47:37 AM
Quote from: Bender on February 02, 2022, 10:13:44 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on February 02, 2022, 09:28:53 AM
Presented without comment:

https://twitter.com/njdevils/status/1488634692077338631
Ummmmm..... [emoji51]

Meadowlands Uber Alles.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on February 02, 2022, 11:15:42 AM
Three teams left in the NHL with less than 100 goals scored.

NYI - 93 (38GP)
Arizona - 97 (44GP)
Montreal - 99 (44GP)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 02, 2022, 11:21:17 AM
Quote from: L K on February 02, 2022, 11:15:42 AM
Three teams left in the NHL with less than 100 goals scored.

NYI - 93 (38GP)
Arizona - 97 (44GP)
Montreal - 99 (44GP)

Only Arizona and Montreal are scoring at less than 2.4 goals/game. Also, your numbers include shootout goals. Each of those teams have actually scored 1 fewer actual hockey goals.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 02, 2022, 11:31:15 AM
Montreal will be the only team in the league to head into the ASG with a single digit win total. In fact, 13 teams have won as many or more games in 2022 than Montreal has all season.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on February 02, 2022, 11:38:53 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 02, 2022, 11:31:15 AM
Montreal will be the only team in the league to head into the ASG with a single digit win total. In fact, 13 teams have won as many or more games in 2022 than Montreal has all season.
What a bizarre Cinderella run that was.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 02, 2022, 11:38:55 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 02, 2022, 11:31:15 AM
In fact, 13 teams have won as many or more games in 2022 than Montreal has all season.

I respect the hell out of busta, but this stat was still so unbelieveable I had to double check it for myself.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 02, 2022, 11:42:13 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 02, 2022, 11:38:55 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 02, 2022, 11:31:15 AM
In fact, 13 teams have won as many or more games in 2022 than Montreal has all season.

I respect the hell out of busta, but this stat was still so unbelieveable I had to double check it for myself.

My jaw dropped when I saw it. I figured it was only going to be like 4 or 5 teams.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on February 02, 2022, 12:01:41 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 02, 2022, 11:42:13 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 02, 2022, 11:38:55 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 02, 2022, 11:31:15 AM
In fact, 13 teams have won as many or more games in 2022 than Montreal has all season.

I respect the hell out of busta, but this stat was still so unbelieveable I had to double check it for myself.

My jaw dropped when I saw it. I figured it was only going to be like 4 or 5 teams.

Yeah but you just know this going to lead to a whole bunch of articles on why Shane Wright is better than Matthews and McDavid combined.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bill_Berg_is_sad on February 02, 2022, 12:53:35 PM
Quote from: Bender on February 02, 2022, 11:38:53 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 02, 2022, 11:31:15 AM
Montreal will be the only team in the league to head into the ASG with a single digit win total. In fact, 13 teams have won as many or more games in 2022 than Montreal has all season.
What a bizarre Cinderella run that was.

That's coin flip rules for you.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on February 02, 2022, 01:10:50 PM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on February 02, 2022, 12:01:41 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 02, 2022, 11:42:13 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 02, 2022, 11:38:55 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 02, 2022, 11:31:15 AM
In fact, 13 teams have won as many or more games in 2022 than Montreal has all season.

I respect the hell out of busta, but this stat was still so unbelieveable I had to double check it for myself.

My jaw dropped when I saw it. I figured it was only going to be like 4 or 5 teams.

Yeah but you just know this going to lead to a whole bunch of articles on why Shane Wright is better than Matthews and McDavid combined.

10 reasons why the Canadiens will be back in the Cup Finals in 2023.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on February 02, 2022, 01:11:19 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 02, 2022, 10:47:37 AM
Quote from: Bender on February 02, 2022, 10:13:44 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on February 02, 2022, 09:28:53 AM
Presented without comment:

https://twitter.com/njdevils/status/1488634692077338631
Ummmmm..... [emoji51]

Meadowlands Uber Alles.

Lol.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on February 02, 2022, 01:48:41 PM
Ovechkin out vs. Oilers, will miss All-Star Game due to COVID-19
https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2290557

Anyone else think Ovechkin just reeeaaalllyyy doesn't like All Star Weekend?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 02, 2022, 01:51:45 PM
Quote from: Bender on February 02, 2022, 01:48:41 PM
Ovechkin out vs. Oilers, will miss All-Star Game due to COVID-19
https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2290557

Anyone else think Ovechkin just reeeaaalllyyy doesn't like All Star Weekend?

Probably went around asking random strangers to cough in his face.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on February 02, 2022, 01:57:13 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 02, 2022, 01:51:45 PM
Quote from: Bender on February 02, 2022, 01:48:41 PM
Ovechkin out vs. Oilers, will miss All-Star Game due to COVID-19
https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2290557

Anyone else think Ovechkin just reeeaaalllyyy doesn't like All Star Weekend?

Probably went around asking random strangers to cough in his face.
Russian machine never breaks, except for all star weekend.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 02, 2022, 02:00:28 PM
Quote from: Bender on February 02, 2022, 01:57:13 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 02, 2022, 01:51:45 PM
Quote from: Bender on February 02, 2022, 01:48:41 PM
Ovechkin out vs. Oilers, will miss All-Star Game due to COVID-19
https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2290557

Anyone else think Ovechkin just reeeaaalllyyy doesn't like All Star Weekend?

Probably went around asking random strangers to cough in his face.
Russian machine never breaks, except for all star weekend.

Russian Machine Never Breaks but does require yearly February maintenance.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on February 02, 2022, 02:00:36 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 01, 2022, 09:04:49 AM
https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/status/1488345106700587011

For the sake of comparison, the Islanders have 88 goals all season.

Colorado is also very high.  I'm wondering if coaches have unlocked a little something to increase offense a little.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on February 02, 2022, 05:11:51 PM
Tom Wilson is going to replace Ovechkin in the all-star game. 

I don't think the NHL understands marketing....at all. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on February 02, 2022, 07:53:47 PM
Uh, I just discovered that you're not making a joke.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 02, 2022, 08:30:20 PM
https://twitter.com/wallmaz35/status/1489036176937861121

Yyyyyyyyiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiikkkkkkeeeeeesssssssssssssss
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 02, 2022, 08:55:43 PM
It's not even a particularly tough question. You can see that the other executive on stage had an answer of what they were doing going forward.

And this response to the follow-up:

https://twitter.com/WallMaz35/status/1489037938092646402
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 02, 2022, 08:56:45 PM
Quote from: L K on February 02, 2022, 05:11:51 PM
Tom Wilson is going to replace Ovechkin in the all-star game. 

I don't think the NHL understands marketing....at all. 
I'm not sure it's the NHL's call or that they can now force someone to go because they weren't voted in. Add in Kuznetsov probably didn't want to go.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 04, 2022, 10:33:09 PM
https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/1489783856702148608

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Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 04, 2022, 10:57:33 PM
Quick recap of Bettman's all star game address:

1) Rocky Wirtz was the true victim of the Kyle Beach situation

2) Arizona is such a garbage organization that they may actually make more money with a 5,000 arena

3) Canada trying to curb COVID-19 transmission rates is destroying the league
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on February 05, 2022, 12:05:11 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 04, 2022, 10:57:33 PM
Quick recap of Bettman's all star game address:

1) Rocky Wirtz was the true victim of the Kyle Beach situation

2) Arizona is such a garbage organization that they may actually make more money with a 5,000 arena

3) Canada trying to curb COVID-19 transmission rates is destroying the league

Don't forget that it's a problem that Calgary isn't paying for a new arena but Arizona is a good market.  I know that Bettman can only get away with the messaging that the owners as a collective want but I am so done with his garbage
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 05, 2022, 11:54:26 AM
https://twitter.com/capitals/status/1489789285435797505
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 05, 2022, 12:14:54 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 04, 2022, 10:57:33 PM
Quick recap of Bettman's all star game address:

1) Rocky Wirtz was the true victim of the Kyle Beach situation

2) Arizona is such a garbage organization that they may actually make more money with a 5,000 arena

3) Canada trying to curb COVID-19 transmission rates is destroying the league

I think by now we know that this is sort of the deal with the NHL under Bettman. Bettman will say and do anything he can to try and take PR heat off owners(#1) who in turn let him have his way on his own particular side projects(#2) all the while being kept afloat by the revenues Toronto/Montreal are bringing into the league(#3)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on February 05, 2022, 03:45:54 PM
The camera angle for this all star game is horrific
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on February 05, 2022, 04:14:14 PM
I think the crowd was louder at the Leafs last home game.  Watching this really makes me wonder how the NHL manages to get a TV deal.  They have no idea how to market the game

How do you not know how to follow the play at the all-star game.  Zooming in and out to miss plays including a goal.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on February 05, 2022, 05:00:35 PM
Only the nhl would have a video review in an all star game on an offsides challenge
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on February 05, 2022, 08:40:52 PM
Is the poor camera work not the result of the actual TV broadcaster that already has given the NHL the TV deal?

I was watching an american feed on TBS or TNT(can't remember). They flashed the shot speed every time a shot was taken. My first take was "neat"...Then it was...who cares how hard that wrist shot was. American broadcasting continues to try and market the league like it's the XFL.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on February 06, 2022, 03:25:42 AM
Is it just me or is the whole all star weekend just cringeworthily cheesey? Like it's actually hard to watch if you even try to watch.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on February 06, 2022, 07:46:29 AM
Quote from: Arn on February 06, 2022, 03:25:42 AM
Is it just me or is the whole all star weekend just cringeworthily cheesey? Like it's actually hard to watch if you even try to watch.

The costumes are idiotic.
I use to enjoy the all star weekend. Back when Al Macinnis was winning hardest shooter competitions and Ray Bourque was the most accurate. Pavel Bure or Federov were the fastest skaters. I'm not sure why the breakaway challenge can't be more similar to the slam dunk competition. Yes, it's gotten a little cheesy too but at least there aren't people coming out dressed like dodgeball characters from movies. (Maybe there is, I haven't watched in a few years).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on February 06, 2022, 10:47:42 AM
I look at it from a few perspectives:

1) we all know hockey players don't have over the top personalities.  Most of the guys that do are usually more the grunt players who you don't really want to be marketing as the face of the league because they don't check off the skill elements. 

2) if they are having fun doing the sideshow stuff, good for them.  This kind of stuff killed the NBA dunk contest (although I think we really hit a generational got as a good as we can until someone can jump higher/farther) that forced it that way. 

3) The NHL executives have no idea how to market the game.  They boast about the importance of media markets but have largely done nothing to make the NHL successful in non-traditional markets.   Tampa was a tire fire until they got their current owner and it has been their ownership who put roots in Tampa.  Winning helped but the NHL had little to do with making Tampa work.    They have no idea how to manage Arizona.  Florida gets 10 people into the arena and cheers about it.   They suck at expanding the league beyond making more teams.

There is no forward vision from the NHL and until the ownership defeats from Jeremy Jacobs and The Wirtz' as the key decision makers you aren't going to see creative marketing of the league
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Highlander on February 06, 2022, 12:05:21 PM
Quote from: Arn on February 06, 2022, 03:25:42 AM
Is it just me or is the whole all star weekend just cringeworthily cheesey? Like it's actually hard to watch if you even try to watch.
That is the whole thing about Vegas, it is cheesey, so you have to decide if you like cheesey things?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 06, 2022, 04:17:52 PM
Quote from: L K on February 06, 2022, 10:47:42 AM
3) The NHL executives have no idea how to market the game.  They boast about the importance of media markets but have largely done nothing to make the NHL successful in non-traditional markets.   Tampa was a tire fire until they got their current owner and it has been their ownership who put roots in Tampa.  Winning helped but the NHL had little to do with making Tampa work.    They have no idea how to manage Arizona.  Florida gets 10 people into the arena and cheers about it.   They suck at expanding the league beyond making more teams.

I guess I disagree with this slightly as it seems to me that the entire crux of the NHL's strategy over the last 20 or years has been "What can we do to win non-traditional fans". They shut down the sport to get a hard salary cap in place that is terrible for big revenue markets and has resulted in flat parity around the league. They've always bowed to their broadcast partners in terms of scheduling games. They've constantly stuck to a playoff format that rewards divisional success over just overall record. And, like you mentioned, they've displayed a neverending commitment to markets where clearly things aren't working just in the hope that they will eventually turn things around.

Meanwhile it seems like all they've managed to do is to turn the sport even more regional.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on February 06, 2022, 05:55:04 PM
And re point 1 above:


https://twitter.com/nhl/status/1490454113657704450
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 06, 2022, 06:41:18 PM

It's very much a CHL goal but still...

https://twitter.com/WHLPats/status/1490461402653503489
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on February 08, 2022, 11:32:41 PM
It had been a while since Marchand did something stupid.  He was in fine form tonight
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 09, 2022, 10:56:54 AM
https://twitter.com/BradyTrett/status/1491241947645706245

He's been offered an in-person hearing with DOPS for this.

I know Marchand's always had a screw loose, but this was just mind-bogglingly stupid.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 09, 2022, 11:00:08 AM
Marchand had A LOT going on last night.

Before the sock and stick:
https://twitter.com/BradyTrett/status/1491232274339483649

Regular b-hole stuff
https://twitter.com/TaylorHaasePGH/status/1491234190310125574
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 09, 2022, 11:11:48 AM
No one has ever suggested Marchand is a 'good sport' or anything. The bad sportsmanship crap is par for the course, and a big part of why he's largely hated outside of Boston. He was also overdue for a meltdown.

As a repeat offender with a lengthy list of suspensions - including one already this season - this should be a big one. It won't be, because, you know, this is the NHL, but it should be. Sucker punches and swinging sticks at people's heads should be easy to set examples for, but the league will screw this up somehow.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 09, 2022, 11:26:03 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 09, 2022, 11:11:48 AM
Sucker punches and swinging sticks at people's heads should be easy to set examples for, but the league will screw this up somehow.

What's funny is this is basically the exact types of plays that Parros said he wanted to focus on when he was first hired as head of DOPS:

QuoteParros would like to break with precedents on nonhockey infractions, like a retaliatory slash to the face. The GMs would have to endorse any increase in suspension severity.

"I've always thought that they could have been a bit harsher on certain plays that I felt where clearly someone intended to do something that was away from the play, had nothing to do with the game and no benefit other than to disable or hurt a person," Parros said. "Just trying to go a little bit harder on those, because I felt it's been soft in some instances."

Let's see if he's still serious about that.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 09, 2022, 11:31:57 AM
Bergeron was also injured in last night's game, so, in the span of ~24 hours, the Bruins could lose him, Marchand, and Rask. Rask doesn't seem like a big loss, but that's 2/3 of their top line. Considering the team has barely any offensive depth, they could be in for a painful stretch here.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on February 09, 2022, 05:01:56 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 09, 2022, 11:11:48 AM
No one has ever suggested Marchand is a 'good sport' or anything. The bad sportsmanship crap is par for the course, and a big part of why he's largely hated outside of Boston. He was also overdue for a meltdown.

As a repeat offender with a lengthy list of suspensions - including one already this season - this should be a big one. It won't be, because, you know, this is the NHL, but it should be. Sucker punches and swinging sticks at people's heads should be easy to set examples for, but the league will screw this up somehow.

Just imagine if they were to penalize Marchand like he is Kadri.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on February 09, 2022, 05:44:22 PM
Rask has officially retired.

I still remember when we drafted him, when I watched his WJC, screamed when he was traded and subsequently won the Cup and destroyed us for years.

Guys... I think... I'm getting old [emoji24]
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 09, 2022, 07:54:27 PM
Quote from: princedpw on February 09, 2022, 05:01:56 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 09, 2022, 11:11:48 AM
No one has ever suggested Marchand is a 'good sport' or anything. The bad sportsmanship crap is par for the course, and a big part of why he's largely hated outside of Boston. He was also overdue for a meltdown.

As a repeat offender with a lengthy list of suspensions - including one already this season - this should be a big one. It won't be, because, you know, this is the NHL, but it should be. Sucker punches and swinging sticks at people's heads should be easy to set examples for, but the league will screw this up somehow.

Just imagine if they were to penalize Marchand like he is Kadri.

The NHL taking their cues from the Ottawa Police.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: lamajama on February 09, 2022, 09:13:44 PM
Six games for Marchant...doubtful but maybe this will seep into
that pea brain of his to stop the nonsense
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on February 09, 2022, 09:23:24 PM
*#$@^$ Marchand. Idiot shoulda got way more than 6 games ffs....
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 10, 2022, 09:07:59 AM
Quote from: lamajama on February 09, 2022, 09:13:44 PM
Six games for Marchant...doubtful but maybe this will seep into
that pea brain of his to stop the nonsense

Nope. Might slow down his stupidity for the rest of the regular season, but that's about it.
Title: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 10, 2022, 01:55:35 PM
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1491786265779441664

Anson Carter, yikes. Just mind-boggling to watch him participate on a show which is actively interested in getting Americans to watch hockey and so bluntly say he doesn't watch hockey.

Edit: I guess he's maybe being sarcastic? Hard to tell how literal he means it, in the context of the origin of all of this below. Regardless, crazy he's bringing his Twitter beef and obvious loss to the show.

https://twitter.com/steviemcfeely/status/1491789686288777218
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on February 10, 2022, 03:20:25 PM
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZML2Ghs8y/

Warning there is swearing in the video, so NSFW.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 10, 2022, 04:22:57 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on February 10, 2022, 01:55:35 PM
Anson Carter, yikes. Just mind-boggling to watch him participate on a show which is actively interested in getting Americans to watch hockey and so bluntly say he doesn't watch hockey.

Edit: I guess he's maybe being sarcastic? Hard to tell how literal he means it, in the context of the origin of all of this below. Regardless, crazy he's bringing his Twitter beef and obvious loss to the show.

Definitely being sarcastic. He's calling out Russo and accusing him of racial bias for suggesting he only watches hockey when he's working.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on February 10, 2022, 04:51:38 PM
Coyotes to play at Arizona State's arena for at least 3 seasons
https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2296026

This league is an absolute joke. And they're calling out Canadian markets for following covid protocols now and potentially moving the draft from MTL if there are public health measures.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: lamajama on February 10, 2022, 07:33:29 PM
People have finally learned something about this owner....the University is requiring the Coyotes to pay up front....what a positive statement about the NHL.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on February 15, 2022, 09:38:30 AM
So no thoughts of the Toffoli trade?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 15, 2022, 09:53:58 AM
Quote from: Joe S. on February 15, 2022, 09:38:30 AM
So no thoughts of the Toffoli trade?

Just a big shrug (https://www.tmlfans.ca/community/index.php?topic=6371.msg445149#msg445149)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 15, 2022, 09:56:55 AM
Quote from: Joe S. on February 15, 2022, 09:38:30 AM
So no thoughts of the Toffoli trade?

It's a pretty fair deal for both sides, so, not much to discuss.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 15, 2022, 09:57:38 AM
Quote from: Joe S. on February 15, 2022, 09:38:30 AM
So no thoughts of the Toffoli trade?

Seems about right in terms of price paid. Don't think it makes a lot of difference for either team.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on February 15, 2022, 10:43:48 AM
Quote from: herman on February 15, 2022, 09:53:58 AM
Quote from: Joe S. on February 15, 2022, 09:38:30 AM
So no thoughts of the Toffoli trade?

Just a big shrug (https://www.tmlfans.ca/community/index.php?topic=6371.msg445149#msg445149)

Thx - I did a search to see if there was a thread and it didn't come up... weird.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on February 15, 2022, 01:26:16 PM
Random thought... It's funny if you look at Mikko Koskinen's season starts this year and realize that would put him in contention for the Vezina in the 80s.

Yeah yeah I know context, equipment and all that, but goalie stats from the mid 70s until Roy showed up are kinda hilarious.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 15, 2022, 02:04:44 PM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1493661549545902086

lol
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 16, 2022, 12:49:04 AM
Doughty is awesome lol...

https://twitter.com/spittinchiclets/status/1493797495859724291
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 16, 2022, 09:01:07 AM
https://twitter.com/dimfilipovic/status/1493771943505317908
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on February 16, 2022, 09:03:50 AM
Quote from: Joe S. on February 15, 2022, 01:26:16 PM
Random thought... It's funny if you look at Mikko Koskinen's season starts this year and realize that would put him in contention for the Vezina in the 80s.

Yeah yeah I know context, equipment and all that, but goalie stats from the mid 70s until Roy showed up are kinda hilarious.

In case anyone is wondering, Patrick Roy's GAA his 3 junior seasons before being drafted were:
6.26
4.44
5.55

He only went above 3.00 two times in his entire NHL career. His first NHL season and the 92-93 season. Both years, led to Stanley Cup rings. His SV% those years were 0.875 and 0.894
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 16, 2022, 09:10:02 AM
https://twitter.com/mikefail/status/1493776501551947781

[emoji51]
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 16, 2022, 09:13:03 AM
https://twitter.com/brock_seguin/status/1493390425322893314
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on February 16, 2022, 09:27:54 AM
I was really surprised to see that tweet come from the Coyotes' account...like they were proud!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 16, 2022, 10:01:58 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on February 16, 2022, 09:10:02 AM
https://twitter.com/mikefail/status/1493776501551947781

[emoji51]

I still remember the Bryan McCabe own goal (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16A2usAjrfY). Batted a one timer in to win it in OT for Buffalo.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 16, 2022, 10:04:47 AM
Quote from: herman on February 16, 2022, 10:01:58 AM
I still remember the Bryan McCabe own goal (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16A2usAjrfY). Batted a one timer in to win it in OT for Buffalo.

Yeah, though that was seconds before a shootout the team would have lost any way (they were absolutely terrible at them that season).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on February 16, 2022, 10:20:34 AM
3 in a row for Edmonton...in a playoff spot this morning.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 18, 2022, 08:29:02 PM
https://twitter.com/mostlyleafies/status/1494842850147766272
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 22, 2022, 09:28:01 AM
https://twitter.com/BColes25/status/1495957211818106886
Champion
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 22, 2022, 11:51:18 AM
https://twitter.com/ryancopyme/status/1495854043025100802
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 22, 2022, 12:22:01 PM
https://twitter.com/Peter_Baugh/status/1496164331326787587

It's ok, it was an accident.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Peter D. on February 22, 2022, 01:49:28 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 22, 2022, 12:22:01 PM
https://twitter.com/Peter_Baugh/status/1496164331326787587

It's ok, it was an accident.

I imagine any other reaction by the referee than just casually skating away as per the normal course of the game would have elicited a much different response.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 24, 2022, 11:14:43 PM
https://twitter.com/bradytrett/status/1497035818644303873
Speaking of steamrolled, CBJ taking it to FLA on the scoreboard
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on February 24, 2022, 11:29:38 PM
Quote from: herman on February 24, 2022, 11:14:43 PM
https://twitter.com/bradytrett/status/1497035818644303873
Speaking of steamrolled, CBJ taking it to FLA on the scoreboard
Not sure how I feel about that hit.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on February 25, 2022, 07:59:23 AM
Quote from: Bender on February 24, 2022, 11:29:38 PM
Quote from: herman on February 24, 2022, 11:14:43 PM
https://twitter.com/bradytrett/status/1497035818644303873
Speaking of steamrolled, CBJ taking it to FLA on the scoreboard
Not sure how I feel about that hit.

Don Cherry Rock em Sock em would love it.

But, no need for it, and no place for it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 25, 2022, 08:41:21 AM
Unnecessarily hard hit considering the situation. You're already down by 3 with less than 5 to go in a largely meaningless regular season game. You can ease up a touch there and still stop the goal.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 25, 2022, 08:55:43 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 25, 2022, 08:41:21 AM
Unnecessarily hard hit considering the situation. You're already down by 3 with less than 5 to go in a largely meaningless regular season game. You can ease up a touch there and still stop the goal.
If it was a clean hit,(looks clean), I have no problem with it. Hitting is still allowed in the NHL and there's no reason to ease up as long as he's not in a vulnerable position. As for the timing and being down by 3 with 5 to go. It's obvious the coach hadn't given up yet or they wouldn't have pulled the goalie.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 25, 2022, 09:18:29 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on February 25, 2022, 08:55:43 AMIf it was a clean hit,(looks clean), I have no problem with it.

Not that I particularly want to have this argument for the 10,000th time but it's cleanliness depends entirely on how the incredibly broad definition of charging in the rule book is interpreted. There's really no doubt that the hit was especially violent because of the distance travelled.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on February 25, 2022, 11:26:42 AM
Quote from: Nik on February 25, 2022, 09:18:29 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on February 25, 2022, 08:55:43 AMIf it was a clean hit,(looks clean), I have no problem with it.

Not that I particularly want to have this argument for the 10,000th time but it's cleanliness depends entirely on how the incredibly broad definition of charging in the rule book is interpreted. There's really no doubt that the hit was especially violent because of the distance travelled.

I do think the NHL needs to seriously revisit the definitions of some of its penalties. I'm ok with a hit there, but not ok with the hit that was delivered. It is excessive and is clearly intended to cause harm.

but i agree on the 10000th argument part. :)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on February 25, 2022, 11:34:26 AM
Quote from: Bullfrog on February 25, 2022, 11:26:42 AM
I do think the NHL needs to seriously revisit the definitions of some of its penalties. I'm ok with a hit there, but not ok with the hit that was delivered. It is excessive and is clearly intended to cause harm.

Well, I think something I've learned from the past 9,999 arguments is that the reason the NHL doesn't do that is because they want a broad latitude to decide on what makes a hit legal or not. The vagueness is a feature, not a bug as the kids say.

But I agree. I don't have a problem with the idea of a hit there but I do think that the idea should be, to some extent, to get the checking player to think* "Is the defensive value of this check outweighed by the serious chance I have to injure someone regardless of the rule book" and to err on the side of not hurting the other player.

*with this of course being processed in the short amount of time players make decisions so it's less "think" and more "be part of the way the game is taught so it's a matter of subconscious instinct" but we're going for brevity here.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 25, 2022, 12:24:40 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on February 25, 2022, 11:26:42 AM
Quote from: Nik on February 25, 2022, 09:18:29 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on February 25, 2022, 08:55:43 AMIf it was a clean hit,(looks clean), I have no problem with it.

Not that I particularly want to have this argument for the 10,000th time but it's cleanliness depends entirely on how the incredibly broad definition of charging in the rule book is interpreted. There's really no doubt that the hit was especially violent because of the distance travelled.

I do think the NHL needs to seriously revisit the definitions of some of its penalties. I'm ok with a hit there, but not ok with the hit that was delivered. It is excessive and is clearly intended to cause harm.

but i agree on the 10000th argument part. :)

I agree. No problem with there being a hit, but, as I said, no reason is needs to be such a hard hit.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Peter D. on February 25, 2022, 12:42:34 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 25, 2022, 08:41:21 AM
Unnecessarily hard hit considering the situation. You're already down by 3 with less than 5 to go in a largely meaningless regular season game. You can ease up a touch there and still stop the goal.

It bothers me more that the goalie was still pulled down 3 in a largely meaningless regular season game.  I preferred the days when teams would just play out the stretch of minutes if down by more than 2.  Not to mention to fact I can't stand seeing goalies being pulled with more than 90 to 120 seconds left to go in the game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 25, 2022, 01:19:27 PM
Quote from: Peter D. on February 25, 2022, 12:42:34 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 25, 2022, 08:41:21 AM
Unnecessarily hard hit considering the situation. You're already down by 3 with less than 5 to go in a largely meaningless regular season game. You can ease up a touch there and still stop the goal.

It bothers me more that the goalie was still pulled down 3 in a largely meaningless regular season game.  I preferred the days when teams would just play out the stretch of minutes if down by more than 2.  Not to mention to fact I can't stand seeing goalies being pulled with more than 90 to 120 seconds left to go in the game.

I'm with you on the first part. No sense pulling the goalie when you're down more than 2 unless a playoff berth is on the line or you're facing elimination.

As for pulling the goalie . . . I'm not as on board, especially in one goal games. The longer you have the man advantage, the greater your chances of tying the game. Obviously, the risk of going down by 2 also increases, but I think that's a fair trade off. There's a balance that needs to be struck, obviously, but if a coach feels getting the extra skater out there for 3 minutes or whatever, I say go for it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 25, 2022, 02:03:06 PM
Quote from: Peter D. on February 25, 2022, 12:42:34 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 25, 2022, 08:41:21 AM
Unnecessarily hard hit considering the situation. You're already down by 3 with less than 5 to go in a largely meaningless regular season game. You can ease up a touch there and still stop the goal.

It bothers me more that the goalie was still pulled down 3 in a largely meaningless regular season game.  I preferred the days when teams would just play out the stretch of minutes if down by more than 2.  Not to mention to fact I can't stand seeing goalies being pulled with more than 90 to 120 seconds left to go in the game.
Totally disagree. The division is a beast this year and ending up in first is the goal to have the "easier" matchup. TBay is 3 pts behind with 2 games in hand...Leafs are 5 with 1 game in hand. Every point matters and the Panthers were also out playing CBJ. If they were 10 points up with 5 games to go, that's different.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 25, 2022, 11:05:18 PM
https://twitter.com/craigsmorgan/status/1497401358575562754
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: IJustLurkHere on February 26, 2022, 08:26:19 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 25, 2022, 01:19:27 PM
Quote from: Peter D. on February 25, 2022, 12:42:34 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 25, 2022, 08:41:21 AM
Unnecessarily hard hit considering the situation. You're already down by 3 with less than 5 to go in a largely meaningless regular season game. You can ease up a touch there and still stop the goal.

It bothers me more that the goalie was still pulled down 3 in a largely meaningless regular season game.  I preferred the days when teams would just play out the stretch of minutes if down by more than 2.  Not to mention to fact I can't stand seeing goalies being pulled with more than 90 to 120 seconds left to go in the game.

I'm with you on the first part. No sense pulling the goalie when you're down more than 2 unless a playoff berth is on the line or you're facing elimination.


Or, when you're down by 2, should you pull the goalie with.... 13 minutes left? Here's what a couple of economists say https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3132563
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 28, 2022, 09:41:56 AM
Kinda crazy but as things stand the .585 Vegas Golden Knights wouldn't be in a playoff position in the Eastern conference. And after going just 7-8-4 since January 1st they're barely in a playoff spot in the West.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 03, 2022, 03:21:18 PM
https://twitter.com/walsha/status/1499413630093172741
Oh man, this is a spicy conversation
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 03, 2022, 04:02:49 PM
Somewhat on topic the other day one of the guys from The Daily Faceoff show said he didn't have Matthews in his top-5 for the Hart right now (link (https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/the-daily-faceoff-show-how-many-hart-trophy-candidates-are-there/)). Like that's insane.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 03, 2022, 04:33:18 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 03, 2022, 04:02:49 PM
Somewhat on topic the other day one of the guys from The Daily Faceoff show said he didn't have Matthews in his top-5 for the Hart right now (link (https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/the-daily-faceoff-show-how-many-hart-trophy-candidates-are-there/)). Like that's insane.

Yup. Credibility destroyed.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 04, 2022, 09:26:29 AM
https://twitter.com/bradytrett/status/1499603564489969669
:-X
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 07, 2022, 03:28:12 PM
https://twitter.com/DetroitRedWings/status/1500823216247484423
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1500909889232818183
Hardcore
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on March 07, 2022, 03:34:17 PM
Haha! Screw you Danny!  ;D

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 08, 2022, 02:56:23 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1501280821784711174

BREAKING NEWS BREAKING NEWS BREAKING NEWS

Team outside playoff spot may trade free agents if price is right
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 08, 2022, 07:47:31 PM
https://twitter.com/detroitredwings/status/1501293238531072002
What is happening
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 09, 2022, 09:09:17 AM
https://twitter.com/AZCoyotesPR/status/1501357003779842051
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1501357272387227658

What an absolute legend.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 09, 2022, 10:33:13 AM
I've already earmarked this kid for the 2030 draft.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on March 09, 2022, 10:39:52 AM
Quote from: herman on March 09, 2022, 10:33:13 AM
I've already earmarked this kid for the 2030 draft.

I think it's outrageous that the NHL is going to allow the drafting of 8 year olds in 2030.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 09, 2022, 11:55:21 AM
Quote from: Frank E on March 09, 2022, 10:39:52 AM
Quote from: herman on March 09, 2022, 10:33:13 AM
I've already earmarked this kid for the 2030 draft.

I think it's outrageous that the NHL is going to allow the drafting of 8 year olds in 2030.

There are no limits on the Chosen One. If Anakin can podrace at 8ish, Baby Kessel can play in the NHL.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on March 09, 2022, 01:59:33 PM
Besides, I'm pretty sure life expectancy is going down to about 33-years old in the near future. Let the 10-year olds play in the NHL.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 09, 2022, 11:31:13 PM
https://twitter.com/worldhockeyrpt/status/1501767691442417665

Non-penalty with Hyman breaking in on empty net, before Washington tied the game with 0.8 seconds left.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 10, 2022, 09:47:03 AM
How dare he impede the progress of the Sidney Crosby of empty netters
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 10, 2022, 10:30:42 AM
https://twitter.com/IneffectiveMath/status/1501935054766804998
Why do teams like him so much
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 10, 2022, 11:18:50 AM
Yikes. He was a guy I thought might do well on a cheaper contract with less responsibility/3rd pairing type minutes with PP time. Not big money, long-term, 2nd pairing (at least) duties.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 10, 2022, 01:29:52 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 09, 2022, 11:31:13 PM
https://twitter.com/worldhockeyrpt/status/1501767691442417665

Non-penalty with Hyman breaking in on empty net, before Washington tied the game with 0.8 seconds left.
They could have called a lot on the Oil too...McD is a good flopper...gotta teach Matthews
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 10, 2022, 04:07:03 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1502014030508179457

Well, this is opposite of what normally comes out this close to the deadline, so, are they actually honest or is deadline days going to be bananas?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on March 10, 2022, 04:30:53 PM
The hard cap needs to go away.  Maybe change the rules to teams have to be roster compliant after the trade deadline but that compliance has to be in dressed skaters.

So a team could acquire a 7M player if they had 2 million in cap space as long as they sat 5M in salary when the 7M player skates.

Would create more options for player movement.  Maybe create a buyout option for veteran players who have a cap hit that would be restrictive on making a trade. 

PK Subban - 9M cap hit
New Jersey buys him out/mutually terminates his deal.  New Jersey continues to hold a 9M cap expense for Subban for the rest of the year but just like his contract expiring would not face a cap hit for him next year due to buyout
Toronto signs Subban to 1M cap hit contract.

If you kept the cap cost on the team buying a player out it would alleviate concerns of a good team just getting rid of a bad contract as they would still be faced with the cap space so it wouldn't save them anything and couldn't be done to a player who is facing free agency.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 10, 2022, 04:42:00 PM
I like the idea of a franchise tag that allows teams to designate one contract that doesn't count against the cap - with the caveats that A) it counts for the length of the contract, no changing season to season and B) it has to be a multi-year contract. Teams can only change the designation when the contract expires or if the player is traded, and, even then, only in the off-season. Gives teams a little more flexibility while also allowing the players a little more to negotiate with.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 11, 2022, 08:18:02 AM
https://twitter.com/peter_baugh/status/1502116312256069655
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 11, 2022, 08:50:03 AM
Kadri's still generally up there among the league leaders in penalties drawn during his time in Colorado, and he's drawing more calls in his 3 seasons there than he did in his final 3 seasons in Toronto. Also, Colorado leads the league in PP time this season, the season before that, the season before that, the season before that, and also the season before that. 5 straight seasons where they've led the league in powerplay TOI. Like, it's entirely possible they got a little screwed last night (I can't find any clips of the call/non-call), but settle down a little there Landeskog. Imagine you had real problems in that regard.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 11, 2022, 09:00:20 AM
20 more PP opportunities than any other team in the league? Yeah, you can go ahead and shut right up there, Colorado.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: berserker on March 11, 2022, 09:55:37 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 11, 2022, 09:00:20 AM
20 more PP opportunities than any other team in the league? Yeah, you can go ahead and shut right up there, Colorado.
You are looking at this totally wrong...
Should be praising Landeskog for speaking out...  More teams should be speaking out.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 11, 2022, 10:01:11 AM
Quote from: berserker on March 11, 2022, 09:55:37 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 11, 2022, 09:00:20 AM
20 more PP opportunities than any other team in the league? Yeah, you can go ahead and shut right up there, Colorado.
You are looking at this totally wrong...
Should be praising Landeskog for speaking out...  More teams should be speaking out.

It rings quite hollow coming from a team leading the league in powerplay opportunities by a fairly wide margin. It's like he's complaining that his team doesn't get enough of an advantage compared to the rest of the league.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 11, 2022, 10:14:18 AM
I think Landeskog's point isn't so much that COL doesn't get calls, but that there's a bit of a blatant double standard when it comes to Kadri-related judgments.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 11, 2022, 10:35:39 AM
Quote from: herman on March 11, 2022, 10:14:18 AM
I think Landeskog's point isn't so much that COL doesn't get calls, but that there's a bit of a blatant double standard when it comes to Kadri-related judgments.

Sure, but I mean I think that's always going to be the risk guys like him or Bunting or Garland or the Tkachuk's take with the way they play. At the end of the day though it helps them draw penalties a heck of a lot more than it hurts them with missed calls so I still don't think they should be first in line when it comes to airing grievances against the state of officiating in the league right now.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 11, 2022, 10:39:15 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 11, 2022, 10:01:11 AM
Quote from: berserker on March 11, 2022, 09:55:37 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 11, 2022, 09:00:20 AM
20 more PP opportunities than any other team in the league? Yeah, you can go ahead and shut right up there, Colorado.
You are looking at this totally wrong...
Should be praising Landeskog for speaking out...  More teams should be speaking out.

It rings quite hollow coming from a team leading the league in powerplay opportunities by a fairly wide margin. It's like he's complaining that his team doesn't get enough of an advantage compared to the rest of the league.
Colorado has drawn 83 more penalties then the Leafs who are 2nd last at 183 in 58 games. That is crazy especially considering the talent and possession game the Leafs play. Leafs have to dive more ala Bunting I guess.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on March 11, 2022, 10:44:00 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on March 11, 2022, 10:39:15 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 11, 2022, 10:01:11 AM
Quote from: berserker on March 11, 2022, 09:55:37 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 11, 2022, 09:00:20 AM
20 more PP opportunities than any other team in the league? Yeah, you can go ahead and shut right up there, Colorado.
You are looking at this totally wrong...
Should be praising Landeskog for speaking out...  More teams should be speaking out.

It rings quite hollow coming from a team leading the league in powerplay opportunities by a fairly wide margin. It's like he's complaining that his team doesn't get enough of an advantage compared to the rest of the league.
Colorado has drawn 83 more penalties then the Leafs who are 2nd last at 183 in 58 games. That is crazy especially considering the talent and possession game the Leafs play. Leafs have to dive more ala Bunting I guess.

And yet the Anthony Stewart take after Matthews gets pulled back by Chychrun (and then impeded by the linesman) is that he acted up instead of just gettting back in the play.  So when Matthews pushes through he doesn't get calls.  When Matthews makes it abundantly clear that he was impeded he doesn't get calls.  At this point he could be two handed directly to the head and I'm not sure he would draw a call.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 11, 2022, 10:50:09 AM
https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/1502129655171665920
This is pretty bonkers bananas funny
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 11, 2022, 11:11:10 AM
Quote from: L K on March 11, 2022, 10:44:00 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on March 11, 2022, 10:39:15 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 11, 2022, 10:01:11 AM
Quote from: berserker on March 11, 2022, 09:55:37 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 11, 2022, 09:00:20 AM
20 more PP opportunities than any other team in the league? Yeah, you can go ahead and shut right up there, Colorado.
You are looking at this totally wrong...
Should be praising Landeskog for speaking out...  More teams should be speaking out.

It rings quite hollow coming from a team leading the league in powerplay opportunities by a fairly wide margin. It's like he's complaining that his team doesn't get enough of an advantage compared to the rest of the league.
Colorado has drawn 83 more penalties then the Leafs who are 2nd last at 183 in 58 games. That is crazy especially considering the talent and possession game the Leafs play. Leafs have to dive more ala Bunting I guess.

And yet the Anthony Stewart take after Matthews gets pulled back by Chychrun (and then impeded by the linesman) is that he acted up instead of just gettting back in the play.  So when Matthews pushes through he doesn't get calls.  When Matthews makes it abundantly clear that he was impeded he doesn't get calls.  At this point he could be two handed directly to the head and I'm not sure he would draw a call.
Totally agree. it's very frustrating to watch at times and that one last night cost them a point potentially.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 11, 2022, 11:19:46 AM
Quote from: L K on March 11, 2022, 10:44:00 AM
And yet the Anthony Stewart take after Matthews gets pulled back by Chychrun (and then impeded by the linesman) is that he acted up instead of just gettting back in the play.  So when Matthews pushes through he doesn't get calls.  When Matthews makes it abundantly clear that he was impeded he doesn't get calls.  At this point he could be two handed directly to the head and I'm not sure he would draw a call.

It's a huge problem across the league. Officiating is always going to be a sore spot for sports fans, but other leagues do a much better job of balancing things so their stars can shine. The NHL actively does the opposite - many star players need to put in extra effort to get calls others can draw with ease. Matthews is on of the premiere players in this league and a physical force. It's absurd how few calls go his way. It's crazy that almost 150 players have drawn more penalties over the past 3 seasons, despite Matthews being the league's best goalscorer.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 11, 2022, 12:06:18 PM
Quote from: L K on March 10, 2022, 04:30:53 PM
Would create more options for player movement.  Maybe create a buyout option for veteran players who have a cap hit that would be restrictive on making a trade. 

PK Subban - 9M cap hit
New Jersey buys him out/mutually terminates his deal.  New Jersey continues to hold a 9M cap expense for Subban for the rest of the year but just like his contract expiring would not face a cap hit for him next year due to buyout
Toronto signs Subban to 1M cap hit contract.

If you kept the cap cost on the team buying a player out it would alleviate concerns of a good team just getting rid of a bad contract as they would still be faced with the cap space so it wouldn't save them anything and couldn't be done to a player who is facing free agency.

Worth noting that the Devils and Subban could pretty much do this right now, and Friedman+Marek speculated about the possibility of it happening since it's doubtful New Jersey would be able to trade Subban. It'd be the same thing basically as when Buffalo terminated Bogosian's deal and he signed (and won a Cup) with Tampa afterward.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 11, 2022, 12:53:21 PM
Interesting if it happened.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on March 11, 2022, 08:46:10 PM

https://twitter.com/Canucks/status/1502431674331635712/

The Canucks will be wearing these Pride themed warmed up jerseys but, honestly, I like this logo more than any the Canucks have used in the past.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on March 11, 2022, 09:46:00 PM
Quote from: Nik on March 11, 2022, 08:46:10 PM

https://twitter.com/Canucks/status/1502431674331635712/

The Canucks will be wearing these Pride themed warmed up jerseys but, honestly, I like this logo more than any the Canucks have used in the past.
These are fantastic.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 11, 2022, 10:11:37 PM
Quote from: Bender on March 11, 2022, 09:46:00 PM
Quote from: Nik on March 11, 2022, 08:46:10 PM

https://twitter.com/Canucks/status/1502431674331635712/

The Canucks will be wearing these Pride themed warmed up jerseys but, honestly, I like this logo more than any the Canucks have used in the past.
These are fantastic.
Cool
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on March 12, 2022, 02:44:53 PM
I'm watching the Blues - Preds game right now and I find the jersey/helmet combination a little off putting.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 15, 2022, 12:14:59 PM
For my own amusement I was looking up how other teams with goaltending stats that can only be described as "hot garbage" have performed over the last couple months or so and the LA Kings are absolutely bewildering me. Here are some of their stats since February 1st (5-on-5 other than PP/PK% of course):

Sv%: 89.82 (28th)
Sh%: 7.02 (29th)
GF/60: 2.36 (23rd)
GA/60: 2.77 (21st)
GF%: 46.03 (24th)
PP%: 14.6 (24th)
PK%: 80.5 (12th)

Despite all of that they are 10-4-1, which is the 3rd best points percentage in the league in that span.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on March 15, 2022, 01:22:11 PM
So Huberdeau can throw a retaliatory elbow to a head and that requires no supplemental discipline.  Ok.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 16, 2022, 03:55:30 PM
https://twitter.com/JamesJohnsonYYC/status/1504179079053934594
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 16, 2022, 04:04:28 PM
Giordano played his 1,000th game a week and a half ago. I'm as "teams need to respect their players" as anybody but there's like 0% chance Giordano cares about accepting his silver stick in a suit vs. in equipment. Especially on a team he hasn't even been a part of for a calendar year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on March 16, 2022, 04:54:52 PM
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1504199263412277257
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 17, 2022, 09:06:05 AM
On the one hand, this is a very nice deal for a player of Hertl's caliber. On the other, is San Jose really in position to actually make good use of this to the fullest?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 17, 2022, 09:54:46 AM
Quote from: https://theathletic.com/3190123/2022/03/17/16-stats-montreals-turnaround-blues-defying-analytics-and-torontos-inability-to-win-trap-games/1. Something I did not realize about Montreal's wretched season: in 511 minutes, Brendan Gallagher has zero goals at five-on-five. Zero! Over the prior three seasons he was third in the league in five-on-five goals-per-60 at 1.46. At that rate, he should be closer to 12 goals. I get he lost Danault and has been injured, but zero goals in 511 minutes for someone who was previously a top-five scorer is absolutely ludicrous. It speaks to just how unlucky the Canadiens have been all season. It wasn't all poor play sinking the team.

This is actually insane. At 5-on-5 0 goals and just 7 assists in 42 games for Gallagher this season. I had no idea his season was going THAT badly.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 17, 2022, 10:10:12 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 17, 2022, 09:54:46 AM
Quote from: https://theathletic.com/3190123/2022/03/17/16-stats-montreals-turnaround-blues-defying-analytics-and-torontos-inability-to-win-trap-games/
This is actually insane. At 5-on-5 0 goals and just 7 assists in 42 games for Gallagher this season. I had no idea his season was going THAT badly.

I really Danault what could have caused this spate of poor performance.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 17, 2022, 02:00:44 PM
Quote from: herman on March 17, 2022, 10:10:12 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 17, 2022, 09:54:46 AM
Quote from: https://theathletic.com/3190123/2022/03/17/16-stats-montreals-turnaround-blues-defying-analytics-and-torontos-inability-to-win-trap-games/
This is actually insane. At 5-on-5 0 goals and just 7 assists in 42 games for Gallagher this season. I had no idea his season was going THAT badly.

I really Danault what could have caused this spate of poor performance.
How the habs miss that guy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 18, 2022, 01:10:43 AM
https://twitter.com/blashdril/status/1504620445097766920
Byyyeeee
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 18, 2022, 01:28:51 AM
Quote from: herman on March 18, 2022, 01:10:43 AM
https://twitter.com/blashdril/status/1504620445097766920
Byyyeeee
Haha, Dumba... Love it
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on March 18, 2022, 08:44:03 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 17, 2022, 09:54:46 AM
Quote from: https://theathletic.com/3190123/2022/03/17/16-stats-montreals-turnaround-blues-defying-analytics-and-torontos-inability-to-win-trap-games/1. Something I did not realize about Montreal's wretched season: in 511 minutes, Brendan Gallagher has zero goals at five-on-five. Zero! Over the prior three seasons he was third in the league in five-on-five goals-per-60 at 1.46. At that rate, he should be closer to 12 goals. I get he lost Danault and has been injured, but zero goals in 511 minutes for someone who was previously a top-five scorer is absolutely ludicrous. It speaks to just how unlucky the Canadiens have been all season. It wasn't all poor play sinking the team.

This is actually insane. At 5-on-5 0 goals and just 7 assists in 42 games for Gallagher this season. I had no idea his season was going THAT badly.

He's -9 in expected goals above expected.  That's worst in the NHL.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 18, 2022, 08:51:17 AM
The Panthers last night lost to a non-playoff team that was on a 5 game losing streak and missing their 1G, 1LW, 1RW, 3RW, 3D, 4D, and who lost their 1C in the middle of the game.

(https://wompampsupport.azureedge.net/fetchimage?siteId=7575&v=2&jpgQuality=100&width=700&url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Fnewsfeed%2F001%2F211%2F614%2Fe93.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on March 18, 2022, 09:05:20 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 18, 2022, 08:51:17 AM
The Panthers last night lost to a non-playoff team that was on a 5 game losing streak and missing their 1G, 1LW, 1RW, 3RW, 3D, 4D, and who lost their 1C in the middle of the game.

(https://wompampsupport.azureedge.net/fetchimage?siteId=7575&v=2&jpgQuality=100&width=700&url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Fnewsfeed%2F001%2F211%2F614%2Fe93.jpg)

Chiarot already paying dividends and he didn't even play.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 18, 2022, 09:36:03 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 18, 2022, 08:51:17 AM
The Panthers last night lost to a non-playoff team that was on a 5 game losing streak and missing their 1G, 1LW, 1RW, 3RW, 3D, 4D, and who lost their 1C in the middle of the game.

(https://wompampsupport.azureedge.net/fetchimage?siteId=7575&v=2&jpgQuality=100&width=700&url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Fnewsfeed%2F001%2F211%2F614%2Fe93.jpg)
Button says if Florida gets Giroux it's over...Leafs don't stand a chance. We should stop playing the games now.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 18, 2022, 09:43:25 AM
I mean Giroux on the Panthers should legitimately scare every team in the league.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 18, 2022, 10:00:12 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 18, 2022, 09:43:25 AM
I mean Giroux on the Panthers should legitimately scare every team in the league.

Should it, though? Florida is already the best offensive team in the league by a reasonable margin. At what point does adding more put them beyond the point of diminishing returns? I'm actually not sure adding Giroux makes them much scarier than they already are.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on March 18, 2022, 10:13:07 AM
Since the 2nd lockout Giroux only has 4 playoff goals.  4G 14A 18P in 35GP

He's still a really good player and in a reduced role against inferior defensive units he could very well be a nightmare but yeah, that Panthers team already is scary.   I absolutely think that Tampa/Toronto could beat them in a 7 game series but I'd put the Panthers as the favourite against both teams.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on March 18, 2022, 10:21:33 AM
In general, it seems anyone can beat anyone.  It's so hard to predict whether adding a single guy will make any difference (unless it's a hot goalie ... who you "know" will stay hot).

I hate hockey. Basically, leaf's should have done something last year.  This year, they may be better but are going to wind up an underdog in any round they play.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 18, 2022, 10:37:30 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 18, 2022, 10:00:12 AM
Should it, though? Florida is already the best offensive team in the league by a reasonable margin. At what point does adding more put them beyond the point of diminishing returns? I'm actually not sure adding Giroux makes them much scarier than they already are.

I mean, maybe. Don't think more goals could ever hurt though (heck they might need some just to balance out the Chiarot acquisition). And the LW spot on Barkov's line has been moving around a lot all season long it seems of if Giroux sticks there and gives him some consistency that could be big.

It's also kind of crazy just how much Florida have been scoring. Averaging 4.08 goals a game this season. No team has averaged more than 4 goals per game since the 95/96 Penguins who were at 4.41. The highest scoring team in the cap era before this was the 18/19 Lightning who were at 3.89.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on March 18, 2022, 11:19:53 AM
So, is it possible they've determined that they may be in for a regression...so they're looking to acquire some additional firepower to help mitigate that?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 18, 2022, 11:30:36 AM
Quote from: Frank E on March 18, 2022, 11:19:53 AM
So, is it possible they've determined that they may be in for a regression...so they're looking to acquire some additional firepower to help mitigate that?

I don't really think any team plans around regression like that. It's probably more like "most of our team is having career seasons, let's ride the wave and go all in".
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on March 18, 2022, 12:35:06 PM
Expected goals isn't the be all stat but

Toronto - 224 GF 182 GA   vs. 215 EGF 170 EGA
Florida - 249 GF 176 GA    vs. 234 EGF 194 EGA

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on March 18, 2022, 12:43:28 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 18, 2022, 10:00:12 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 18, 2022, 09:43:25 AM
I mean Giroux on the Panthers should legitimately scare every team in the league.

Should it, though? Florida is already the best offensive team in the league by a reasonable margin. At what point does adding more put them beyond the point of diminishing returns? I'm actually not sure adding Giroux makes them much scarier than they already are.

Is it kind of like when Karyia signed in Colorado and many thought he'd light world on fire there and get 200 points and he completely flamed out? I don't remember the circumstances though.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 18, 2022, 02:44:57 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on March 18, 2022, 12:43:28 PM
Is it kind of like when Karyia signed in Colorado and many thought he'd light world on fire there and get 200 points and he completely flamed out? I don't remember the circumstances though.

Maybe. I dunno. There's only one puck and so much ice time available.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on March 18, 2022, 03:26:50 PM
Yeah that's kinda the point I was trying to make
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 18, 2022, 03:46:00 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 18, 2022, 02:44:57 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on March 18, 2022, 12:43:28 PM
Is it kind of like when Karyia signed in Colorado and many thought he'd light world on fire there and get 200 points and he completely flamed out? I don't remember the circumstances though.

Maybe. I dunno. There's only one puck and so much ice time available.

On an somewhat unrelated note I'd be very, very interested for a hockey analyst in this day and age to look back at that Avs season and try to figure out how exactly that went so wrong.

Back to this though, while there's only one puck you absolutely need 5 guys to get, keep, and create chances with it.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 18, 2022, 04:28:28 PM
Quote from: L K on March 18, 2022, 08:44:03 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 17, 2022, 09:54:46 AM
Quote from: https://theathletic.com/3190123/2022/03/17/16-stats-montreals-turnaround-blues-defying-analytics-and-torontos-inability-to-win-trap-games/1. Something I did not realize about Montreal's wretched season: in 511 minutes, Brendan Gallagher has zero goals at five-on-five. Zero! Over the prior three seasons he was third in the league in five-on-five goals-per-60 at 1.46. At that rate, he should be closer to 12 goals. I get he lost Danault and has been injured, but zero goals in 511 minutes for someone who was previously a top-five scorer is absolutely ludicrous. It speaks to just how unlucky the Canadiens have been all season. It wasn't all poor play sinking the team.

This is actually insane. At 5-on-5 0 goals and just 7 assists in 42 games for Gallagher this season. I had no idea his season was going THAT badly.

He's -9 in expected goals above expected.  That's worst in the NHL.
"Expected goals above expected" broke my brain.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 18, 2022, 04:33:26 PM
https://twitter.com/NHL/status/1504911773635391489

A very hearty lol.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 18, 2022, 04:43:28 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 18, 2022, 04:33:26 PM
A very hearty lol.

Worth pointing out that two of these writers (I'm assuming they used the same 15 for other awards) didn't put Shesterkin down as their #1 for the Vezina.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 18, 2022, 04:49:14 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 18, 2022, 04:43:28 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 18, 2022, 04:33:26 PM
A very hearty lol.

Worth pointing out that two of these writers (I'm assuming they used the same 15 for other awards) didn't put Shesterkin down as their #1 for the Vezina.
I imagine they probably voted for Huberdeau there too.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 18, 2022, 07:01:12 PM
If DaBrincat is available...lookout.
https://twitter.com/brianlawton9/status/1504945790430572545
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on March 18, 2022, 08:00:53 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on March 18, 2022, 07:01:12 PM
If DaBrincat is available...lookout.
https://twitter.com/brianlawton9/status/1504945790430572545
Chicago deciding to just clean house?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 18, 2022, 09:00:36 PM
If I'm looking for trade speculation it goes:

-Friedman
-Dreger
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-Frank E
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-Brian Lawton
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 18, 2022, 09:07:42 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on March 18, 2022, 07:01:12 PM
If DaBrincat is available...lookout.
https://twitter.com/brianlawton9/status/1504945790430572545

Kane and DeBrincat staying put confirmed.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 18, 2022, 10:40:50 PM
https://twitter.com/ballysportsfl/status/1505004748512055303
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 18, 2022, 10:51:10 PM
Yikes. I hope that wasn't a backwards knee situation
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 18, 2022, 11:24:12 PM
https://twitter.com/waltruff/status/1504962918965825536
RVH weakspot
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 18, 2022, 11:50:24 PM
Speaking of goalies...

https://twitter.com/sabresplays/status/1505026074706591744
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 19, 2022, 10:10:48 AM
https://twitter.com/lozlakeshow/status/1504862827177144321
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 19, 2022, 10:33:56 PM
https://twitter.com/CCHAHockey/status/1505370988082614273

What the...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 19, 2022, 10:40:54 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 19, 2022, 10:33:56 PM
https://twitter.com/CCHAHockey/status/1505370988082614273

What the...
https://twitter.com/DanMyers/status/1505367428959723522
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on March 19, 2022, 10:49:16 PM
https://twitter.com/BassBassPipe/status/1505366563020591107
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 20, 2022, 12:44:39 PM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1505583147177676805
Hurray
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on March 20, 2022, 01:34:32 PM
Quote from: herman on March 20, 2022, 12:44:39 PM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1505583147177676805
Hurray
Kill me.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on March 20, 2022, 02:12:28 PM
Quote from: Bender on March 20, 2022, 01:34:32 PM
Quote from: herman on March 20, 2022, 12:44:39 PM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1505583147177676805
Hurray
Kill me.

Didn't Hagg go to Tampa?  Does this tweet make sense?  I'm probably forgetting something.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on March 20, 2022, 02:14:28 PM
Quote from: princedpw on March 20, 2022, 02:12:28 PM
Didn't Hagg go to Tampa?  Does this tweet make sense?  I'm probably forgetting something.

That's Hagel
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on March 20, 2022, 02:23:49 PM
Quote from: Deebo on March 20, 2022, 02:14:28 PM
Quote from: princedpw on March 20, 2022, 02:12:28 PM
Didn't Hagg go to Tampa?  Does this tweet make sense?  I'm probably forgetting something.

That's Hagel

Thank you!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 20, 2022, 09:45:57 PM
Georgiev did the thing against another Andersen-backstopped team
https://twitter.com/moneypuckdotcom/status/1505707868129042441
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 21, 2022, 10:21:47 AM
https://twitter.com/NHLBruins/status/1505910928247767045
He had a trade request in earlier this season

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1505912042707951619
Just taking his rather high QO off the table, it looks like.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 21, 2022, 10:28:05 AM
Quote from: herman on March 21, 2022, 10:21:47 AM
https://twitter.com/NHLBruins/status/1505910928247767045
He had a trade request in earlier this season

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1505912042707951619
Just taking his rather high QO off the table, it looks like.
Mike Johnson suggested maybe they still trade him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 21, 2022, 10:28:59 AM
Wait, why would DeBrusk do this? He was due a $4.41 mil qualifying offer this summer. Either Boston qualifies him and makes more money in 1 season than he just signed to make in two seasons, or Boston doesn't qualify him and he just becomes an UFA and can sign anywhere, for likely at least what he just got with Boston.

edit: ignore me. Thought that said $4mil total over 2 years. $4mil AAV for a (sometimes) 40 point forward is certainly an interesting cost.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on March 21, 2022, 11:06:50 AM
The McBain trade between Minnesota and Arizona kind of surprises me.  I guess he gets a better chance to play in Arizona but I'm surprised Minnesota couldn't get him to sign.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 21, 2022, 11:08:14 AM
Quote from: L K on March 21, 2022, 11:06:50 AM
The McBain trade between Minnesota and Arizona kind of surprises me.  I guess he gets a better chance to play in Arizona but I'm surprised Minnesota couldn't get him to sign.

Maybe he just really likes playing in college arenas.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 24, 2022, 12:52:44 AM
Quote from: Deebo on March 19, 2022, 10:49:16 PM
https://twitter.com/BassBassPipe/status/1505366563020591107
https://twitter.com/Jomboy_/status/1506648979433533449

Here's the video breakdown. What a weird, weird ending to the game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on March 24, 2022, 12:38:31 PM
https://theathletic.com/3206099/2022/03/23/lebrun-inside-the-evgenii-dadonov-trade-reversal-and-what-we-learned-about-no-trade-lists/?source=twitterhq

Quote"I was pretty surprised to learn that neither the league nor the NHLPA officially keeps track of no-trade lists — that is a matter only between player agents and clubs."
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on March 24, 2022, 09:06:19 PM
I just can't bring myself to root for Boston against Tampa. But I don't want Tampa to win.

Oh well soon enough toronto will be the wildcard team and Boston will win the division.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 24, 2022, 10:00:22 PM
https://twitter.com/conorryan_93/status/1507011265851396098
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 25, 2022, 12:16:19 AM
https://twitter.com/GoldenKnights/status/1507195478487707679
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 25, 2022, 11:06:22 AM
https://twitter.com/zjlaing/status/1507193779932999708
Not taking anything away from Hyman here (amazing work), but if someone, let's say a Swedish forward, did this during a 5-on-5 shift, he'd get roasted for being a perimeter player.

PK is hard work and effort, but mentally so much easier than trying to create sustained offense through a mass of bodies who only need to disrupt you a bit to be considered successful. Anyway, fans should really appreciate the players who can generate time and space for scoring chances while holding the puck for extended periods of time (> 3s).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on March 25, 2022, 10:46:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWUr3EwGSFI

no hearing.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on March 26, 2022, 11:01:23 AM
Quote from: Deebo on March 25, 2022, 10:46:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWUr3EwGSFI

no hearing.

Quite pathetic.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on March 26, 2022, 10:04:57 PM
This Ottawa Florida OT is wild. Stutzle should've had a penalty shot there.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 26, 2022, 10:13:04 PM
Quote from: Bender on March 26, 2022, 10:04:57 PM
This Ottawa Flordia OT is wild. Stutzle should've had a penalty shot there.
Definitely.  Call the PS...and great OT...they way it should be
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on March 26, 2022, 11:35:15 PM
Battle of Alberta: How not to play defense.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 26, 2022, 11:44:14 PM
Quote from: Bender on March 26, 2022, 11:35:15 PM
Battle of Alberta: How not to play defense.
And the refs like giving the Oilers PPs...what a joke.. Oil had 5 PPs and Calgary just got their 1st...oh and Draisaitl is tied with Matthews with a hattrick so far.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on March 27, 2022, 12:43:04 AM
Mike Smith is awful. Like the Oilers D is bad but Jesus.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 27, 2022, 12:52:28 AM
Quote from: Bender on March 27, 2022, 12:43:04 AM
Mike Smith is awful. Like the Oilers D is bad but Jesus.
Would love to blame Smith but the Oilers D game is horrible. They give up slot shots all the time. Just brutal defending.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on March 27, 2022, 10:50:44 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on March 27, 2022, 12:52:28 AM
Quote from: Bender on March 27, 2022, 12:43:04 AM
Mike Smith is awful. Like the Oilers D is bad but Jesus.
Would love to blame Smith but the Oilers D game is horrible. They give up slot shots all the time. Just brutal defending.
It's bad but it's not 9 goals bad.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 27, 2022, 09:46:01 PM
https://twitter.com/detroitredwings/status/1508228703557500932
This poor comms person had to make and post this
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on March 28, 2022, 12:07:29 PM
https://thehockeynews.com/news/rumors-resurface-linking-claude-giroux-to-the-ottawa-senators

Just sharing this because I found a couple of passages Nicholas Cage 'you don't say' worthy in here:

Back in October, some observers believed he'd only waive his no-movement clause to go home to Ottawa. His recent move to Florida proves that wasn't the case


And

Whether Giroux signs with the Senators this summer depends on whether they'll get into the bidding and pitch an enticing offer.

That's some quality journalism there.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 28, 2022, 01:48:16 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on March 28, 2022, 12:07:29 PM
https://thehockeynews.com/news/rumors-resurface-linking-claude-giroux-to-the-ottawa-senators

Whether Giroux signs with the Senators this summer depends on whether they'll get into the bidding and pitch an enticing offer.

That's some quality journalism there.

When you think about it this way, there's so many other things that his signing there might depend on. It might depend on whether they remember to offer to pay him in dollars instead of, say, sandwiches or small dogs. It depends on Ottawa dialing his or his agent's number correctly to talk to him. It depends on him having a functioning pen to sign the contract. But I agree with this astute writer that the two most vital keys to him signing in Ottawa are: 1) they attempt to sign him, and 2) he likes their offer.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on March 28, 2022, 04:32:14 PM
I do not say this lightly but that's a hearty laugh out loud from me. I'm still laughing as I'm typing this. That was awesome. Sandwiches or small dogs, incredible.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bill_Berg_is_sad on March 28, 2022, 04:35:59 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 28, 2022, 01:48:16 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on March 28, 2022, 12:07:29 PM
https://thehockeynews.com/news/rumors-resurface-linking-claude-giroux-to-the-ottawa-senators

Whether Giroux signs with the Senators this summer depends on whether they'll get into the bidding and pitch an enticing offer.

That's some quality journalism there.

When you think about it this way, there's so many other things that his signing there might depend on. It might depend on whether they remember to offer to pay him in dollars instead of, say, sandwiches or small dogs. It depends on Ottawa dialing his or his agent's number correctly to talk to him. It depends on him having a functioning pen to sign the contract. But I agree with this astute writer that the two most vital keys to him signing in Ottawa are: 1) they attempt to sign him, and 2) he likes their offer.

3) The Senators must be a team. Which they confirmed was true a little while ago.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 28, 2022, 11:17:08 PM
https://twitter.com/liam_mchugh/status/1508641068790824966
https://twitter.com/bradytrett/status/1508640926008168450
This is hockey
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on March 28, 2022, 11:21:14 PM
That's literally amazing.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 29, 2022, 09:04:12 AM
Quote from: Bender on March 28, 2022, 11:21:14 PM
That's literally amazing.

I like how Tage Thompson was like, 'Oh frick' when he shattered his stick and turned straight back to try to get a stick in time to try again. then his teammates chased him down to let him know he scored lol
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 29, 2022, 09:07:10 AM
Sort of feels emblematic of Chicago's season.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 29, 2022, 09:39:39 AM
https://twitter.com/capsreplays/status/1508588707938455560

This has to be one of the wildest penalty calls I've seen. Wow. Oshie's the guy in the bumper spot.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 29, 2022, 09:58:23 AM
https://twitter.com/willymarner/status/1508610767087673346
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on March 29, 2022, 10:02:43 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 29, 2022, 09:39:39 AM
https://twitter.com/capsreplays/status/1508588707938455560

This has to be one of the wildest penalty calls I've seen. Wow. Oshie's the guy in the bumper spot.

Ok, yeah.  I've complained about some of the calls on Matthews, but this is the worst I've ever seen.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Rob on March 29, 2022, 10:18:28 AM
Quote from: herman on March 29, 2022, 09:58:23 AM
https://twitter.com/willymarner/status/1508610767087673346

Gooble gobble. 

Kyle wants to keep his $25K. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 29, 2022, 11:28:15 AM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1508827492173418499

https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/ntc-nmc

Done, easy-peasy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 29, 2022, 12:48:38 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 29, 2022, 11:28:15 AM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1508827492173418499

https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/ntc-nmc

Done, easy-peasy.

At least they don't have to start from scratch. They probably will, but they don't have to.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 29, 2022, 12:55:36 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 29, 2022, 12:48:38 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 29, 2022, 11:28:15 AM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1508827492173418499

https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/ntc-nmc

Done, easy-peasy.

At least they don't have to start from scratch. They probably will, but they don't have to.

We all know it's going to be an unencrypted Excel file that gets emailed around.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 29, 2022, 01:09:07 PM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1508838524203712515
Cap spiking just in time for Marner's next deal lol
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 29, 2022, 02:27:22 PM
A story in 3 Acts
https://twitter.com/BradyTrett/status/1508236460985823236
https://twitter.com/Peter_Baugh/status/1508869272721788928
https://twitter.com/MikeChambers/status/1508871360365281280
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 29, 2022, 02:30:13 PM
I swear to god if this makes me lose in round 1 of fantasy playoffs I will burn Colorado to the ground.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on March 29, 2022, 02:30:47 PM
And thus the "why won't Matthews fight back" crowd can sit down and shut up once again.  This is why you don't want your star player fighting.  Colorado has 1st overall locked up in the West.  But with 16 games left in the season MacKinnon could either not be back in time for the first round or could be playing with decreased grip strength.  Neither is a good scenario.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 29, 2022, 02:51:32 PM
Nazem Kadri 1C szn
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 29, 2022, 03:34:54 PM
Can't hit anyone without having to fight...ridiculous.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 30, 2022, 02:29:10 PM
https://twitter.com/fivethirtyeight/status/1508466874660573191
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 30, 2022, 09:18:51 PM
https://twitter.com/twistedleafs/status/1509335758926196738
Something for us to look forward to, tomorrow
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 31, 2022, 12:32:58 AM
Quote from: herman on March 30, 2022, 09:18:51 PM
https://twitter.com/twistedleafs/status/1509335758926196738
Something for us to look forward to, tomorrow
I'd have liked to see what would have happened if his right foot hadn't been tied up by 1-2 defenders.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 31, 2022, 09:13:49 AM
https://twitter.com/PuckReportNHL/status/1509387086700462082
https://twitter.com/CraigSMorgan/status/1509390544467767296
Phil Kessel is a dad!

Edit:
https://twitter.com/arizonacoyotes/status/1509584323963281411
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 31, 2022, 09:33:53 AM
https://twitter.com/NHL/status/1508876848297619461

This AMA that was announced just two days ago has shockingly been postponed.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 31, 2022, 10:44:18 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 31, 2022, 12:32:58 AM
Quote from: herman on March 30, 2022, 09:18:51 PM
https://twitter.com/twistedleafs/status/1509335758926196738
Something for us to look forward to, tomorrow
I'd have liked to see what would have happened if his right foot hadn't been tied up by 1-2 defenders.
Def aided in the contact.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 31, 2022, 08:55:14 PM
https://twitter.com/nhlgifs/status/1509674810460319753
A nexus event
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 31, 2022, 10:36:58 PM
Quote from: herman on March 31, 2022, 08:55:14 PM
https://twitter.com/nhlgifs/status/1509674810460319753
A nexus event
https://twitter.com/minter/status/1509675372777984000
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 31, 2022, 11:17:34 PM
https://twitter.com/sportsnet/status/1509725386258718725

If you've got 9 minutes to watch 50 goals...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on April 01, 2022, 07:55:52 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 31, 2022, 09:33:53 AM
https://twitter.com/NHL/status/1508876848297619461

This AMA that was announced just two days ago has shockingly been postponed.

Wait you think questions might not have been "what is your favourite colour" and might have been more "why so you all suck at doing your job?"
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 01, 2022, 09:27:23 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on March 31, 2022, 11:17:34 PM
https://twitter.com/sportsnet/status/1509725386258718725

If you've got 9 minutes to watch 50 goals...
He's something else. Never seen any Leaf score like he does.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 01, 2022, 10:18:34 AM
Coming up to Matthews' draft, knowing we had the first overall pick, I think we were all trying to temper our sky high expectations. He was also taking a weird path (Swiss League D-0 year that he actually couldn't play in until he turned 18; he missed a handful of games waiting) so it was harder to anchor his performance numbers vs the CHL numbers we normally encounter.

His video-pack showed someone who could score in pretty much any which way, and exert his will offensively due to his creativity and high rate of execution. Then he went and rebuilt his shot before entering the NHL, and rebuilt it again further after scoring 40 in that first season.

When his wrist got hurt and his long-distance go-to shot lost its zip, he just dipped into his arsenal of options and started tipping pucks more, and using his size and reach to grease pucks over the line. Auston Matthews is the rare bird that can score in more than 4 different ways with regularity AND has developed a dedicated defensive game to boot. We're never really out of any game as long as he's on the ice.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 01, 2022, 11:36:21 AM
Herman writes hundreds of words.

I write

Yup

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Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on April 01, 2022, 12:47:32 PM
Wasn't there some chatter back then that Laine should go #1? I know overwhelmingly the consensus was Matthews was #1 but I feel there were smart asses out there saying Laine was the better pick.

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/top-100-prospects-2016-nhl-draft/story?id=39091742

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 01, 2022, 01:18:18 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on April 01, 2022, 12:47:32 PM
Wasn't there some chatter back then that Laine should go #1? I know overwhelmingly the consensus was Matthews was #1 but I feel there were smart asses out there saying Laine was the better pick.

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/top-100-prospects-2016-nhl-draft/story?id=39091742

Some people tried to galaxy brain it because Laine had very good numbers in international tournaments and, well, that's really it. Basically, overthinking it instead of looking at the pure talent levels.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on April 01, 2022, 02:19:30 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on April 01, 2022, 12:47:32 PM
Wasn't there some chatter back then that Laine should go #1? I know overwhelmingly the consensus was Matthews was #1 but I feel there were smart asses out there saying Laine was the better pick.

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/top-100-prospects-2016-nhl-draft/story?id=39091742

Quite the L by Pronman there.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 01, 2022, 02:29:11 PM
Quote from: Zee on April 01, 2022, 02:19:30 PM
Quite the L by Pronman there.

Pronman's preference prioritizes standout skills, and at the time of the draft, Laine's shot was a standout skill (still is).

Remember, Matthews didn't really have that patented drag shot yet. He was more of an offensive generalist (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s289TcMWxE), but like very good to great in multiple aspects.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 01, 2022, 11:01:52 PM
https://twitter.com/sportsnet/status/1510089261672017920

Oh my.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: louisstamos on April 02, 2022, 12:51:08 PM
This response, though:  :o

https://twitter.com/nolanbianchi/status/1510255156461510657

Sorry that you're upset that you're not as talented as they are, Jay Beagle.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 02, 2022, 01:41:17 PM
Quote from: louisstamos on April 02, 2022, 12:51:08 PM
This response, though:  :o

https://twitter.com/nolanbianchi/status/1510255156461510657

Sorry that you're upset that you're not as talented as they are, Jay Beagle.
Commentators an idiot no question about it. They must have gone to the Torts school of broadcasting.
Anyway, It's 5-0 with a little over 5 mins left. Why on earth did Zegras poke at the goalie at the beginning of the clip?  Not a smart move by him and again not a good move by Terry jumping in. Beagle and a lot of players will look for any excuse in a game like that and they both gave him one. If it was the Leafs, same situation and someone poked at our goalies, game on. I played goal and those dirty little digs pissed me off more then anything. When I coached, anyone touches our goalie, feel free to take a penalty and put the guy on his ass.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 02, 2022, 02:42:17 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on April 02, 2022, 01:41:17 PM
Commentators an idiot no question about it. They must have gone to the Torts school of broadcasting.
Anyway, It's 5-0 with a little over 5 mins left. Why on earth did Zegras poke at the goalie at the beginning of the clip?  Not a smart move by him and again not a good move by Terry jumping in. Beagle and a lot of players will look for any excuse in a game like that and they both gave him one. If it was the Leafs, same situation and someone poked at our goalies, game on. I played goal and those dirty little digs pissed me off more then anything. When I coached, anyone touches our goalie, feel free to take a penalty and put the guy on his ass.

Isn't arguing "any player who tries to poke at a possibly loose puck near a goalie who is outside of his own crease and before the play is blown dead deserves to get cross-checked from behind after the whistle goes" basically the same sorta thing the commentators were saying?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 02, 2022, 03:50:46 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 02, 2022, 02:42:17 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on April 02, 2022, 01:41:17 PM
Commentators an idiot no question about it. They must have gone to the Torts school of broadcasting.
Anyway, It's 5-0 with a little over 5 mins left. Why on earth did Zegras poke at the goalie at the beginning of the clip?  Not a smart move by him and again not a good move by Terry jumping in. Beagle and a lot of players will look for any excuse in a game like that and they both gave him one. If it was the Leafs, same situation and someone poked at our goalies, game on. I played goal and those dirty little digs pissed me off more then anything. When I coached, anyone touches our goalie, feel free to take a penalty and put the guy on his ass.

Isn't arguing "any player who tries to poke at a possibly loose puck near a goalie who is outside of his own crease and before the play is blown dead deserves to get cross-checked from behind after the whistle goes" basically the same sorta thing the commentators were saying?
Nope not even close to what the commentators are talking about. You're winning 5-0 with 5 to go and you know the other team is pissed off. They're looking for any excuse to cross check, punch or do whatever. There was absolutely no need for Zegras to make any attempt at a puck that was covered. I don't even care if it was partially covered. The game is over. Poking at a goalie under normal circumstances will get you all kinds of attention. Doing that with a 5-0 lead will get you more.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 02, 2022, 04:59:09 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on April 02, 2022, 03:50:46 PM
Nope not even close to what the commentators are talking about. You're winning 5-0 with 5 to go and you know the other team is pissed off. They're looking for any excuse to cross check, punch or do whatever. There was absolutely no need for Zegras to make any attempt at a puck that was covered. I don't even care if it was partially covered. The game is over. Poking at a goalie under normal circumstances will get you all kinds of attention. Doing that with a 5-0 lead will get you more.

In other words, if you wanna embarrass guys by scoring another goal in a 5-0 game you better be prepared to get punched in the mouth.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 02, 2022, 05:54:12 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 02, 2022, 04:59:09 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on April 02, 2022, 03:50:46 PM
Nope not even close to what the commentators are talking about. You're winning 5-0 with 5 to go and you know the other team is pissed off. They're looking for any excuse to cross check, punch or do whatever. There was absolutely no need for Zegras to make any attempt at a puck that was covered. I don't even care if it was partially covered. The game is over. Poking at a goalie under normal circumstances will get you all kinds of attention. Doing that with a 5-0 lead will get you more.

In other words, if you wanna embarrass guys by scoring another goal in a 5-0 game you better be prepared to get punched in the mouth.
Your words, not mine. It's not about scoring another goal but clearly you can't see that. I don't even think it was about the Michigan goal. For me and what the clip shows, it's about digging at the goalie. That will always get a reaction from a player. Add in the fact that the game is over and it is what it is. Bottom line for me, don't touch the goalie or you're getting punched in the mouth. That's it. Zegras poked at the goalie, Beagle took exception and crosschecked him. Terry came in, stick up and took a swing at Beagle and he got punched out.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on April 02, 2022, 06:18:45 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on April 02, 2022, 01:41:17 PMWhy on earth did Zegras poke at the goalie at the beginning of the clip? 

Am I missing something? He "poked" at what he hoped was a loose puck because he was trying to score another goal. It happens all the time.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 02, 2022, 06:26:59 PM
Quote from: Nik on April 02, 2022, 06:18:45 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on April 02, 2022, 01:41:17 PMWhy on earth did Zegras poke at the goalie at the beginning of the clip? 

Am I missing something? He "poked" at what he hoped was a loose puck because he was trying to score another goal. It happens all the time.
Yup and players react pretty much all the time.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on April 02, 2022, 06:59:01 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on April 02, 2022, 06:26:59 PMYup and players react pretty much all the time.

Ok, but leaving aside whether or not that reaction is justifiable I feel like we solved "Why on earth?" pretty quickly.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 02, 2022, 07:24:40 PM
Quote from: Nik on April 02, 2022, 06:59:01 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on April 02, 2022, 06:26:59 PMYup and players react pretty much all the time.

Ok, but leaving aside whether or not that reaction is justifiable I feel like we solved "Why on earth?" pretty quickly.
Not really because it was 5-0 and the game was over is why I said why on earth would he do that. There's absolutely no need to dig at a goalie up a 5 spot.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on April 02, 2022, 07:53:21 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on April 02, 2022, 07:24:40 PM
Not really because it was 5-0 and the game was over is why I said why on earth would he do that. There's absolutely no need to dig at a goalie up a 5 spot.

I've personally always felt a guy should play his hardest right up until the final whistle and I think it's pretty clear that's what Zegras was doing. Then we get back to whether or not you think Zegras was wrong for diging for the puck because it was 5-0 or you think it's wrong to dig for the puck full-stop.

Regardless, all of this would, theoretically justify beating the hell out of Zegras if what he did was seriously a major infraction. Terry, who just came in to protect Zegras did nothing worthy of Beagle dropping the gloves before Terry did and beating the hell out of him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 02, 2022, 07:53:48 PM
https://twitter.com/bizthewarthog/status/1510343385357471746
Sounds like a toxic workplace environment tbh
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 02, 2022, 08:15:35 PM
Quote from: Nik on April 02, 2022, 07:53:21 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on April 02, 2022, 07:24:40 PM
Not really because it was 5-0 and the game was over is why I said why on earth would he do that. There's absolutely no need to dig at a goalie up a 5 spot.

I've personally always felt a guy should play his hardest right up until the final whistle and I think it's pretty clear that's what Zegras was doing. Then we get back to whether or not you think Zegras was wrong for diging for the puck because it was 5-0 or you think it's wrong to dig for the puck full-stop.

Regardless, all of this would, theoretically justify beating the hell out of Zegras if what he did was seriously a major infraction. Terry, who just came in to protect Zegras did nothing worthy of Beagle dropping the gloves before Terry did and beating the hell out of him.
Beagle went over the line by pounding him..he should have stopped. I'm more ticked at the linesman for not stepping in.
As for digging at goalie it happens all the time and even though I don't like it because I was a goalie but if it's loose it's loose. I think it was a dumb move by Zegras doing it being up 5-0. Again the game is over and like I said digging at a goalie doesn't go well when the game is close but near the end of a blowout, you're asking for trouble.There's a reason teams don't play their PP1 when up like that.
I also don't agree with playing as hard to the final horn when you have a big lead. Play good D and kill the clock.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on April 02, 2022, 10:00:16 PM
Thanks Nick Suzuki!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 02, 2022, 10:01:43 PM
Quote from: Bender on April 02, 2022, 10:00:16 PM
Thanks Nick Suzuki!
That was a beauty move...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 02, 2022, 10:35:04 PM
No thanks to the NJD who coughed up a 6-2 lead going into the 3rd to the Panthers

https://twitter.com/njdevils/status/1510356488027623427
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 03, 2022, 02:32:14 PM
https://twitter.com/thechargingbuf/status/1510671097032814594
This is funnier than Holl's last night
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on April 03, 2022, 02:49:28 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on April 02, 2022, 08:15:35 PM
Beagle went over the line by pounding him..he should have stopped. I'm more ticked at the linesman for not stepping in.

No, I think the majority of the blame still falls on Beagle there.

Quote from: Guilt Trip on April 02, 2022, 08:15:35 PM
As for digging at goalie it happens all the time and even though I don't like it because I was a goalie but if it's loose it's loose. I think it was a dumb move by Zegras doing it being up 5-0. Again the game is over and like I said digging at a goalie doesn't go well when the game is close but near the end of a blowout, you're asking for trouble.There's a reason teams don't play their PP1 when up like that.
I also don't agree with playing as hard to the final horn when you have a big lead. Play good D and kill the clock.

The question isn't really what you think should or shouldn't happen or what you think proper decorum is. It's to what extent it justifies violence. Like, I'm sorry if Beagle's feelings are hurt because the other team is still playing hockey but in most sports the standard isn't "I don't like being shown up, so I'm allowed to punch the other guy".

The whole point of objecting to what the commentators said about Zegras is that a lot of people think that these unwritten "rules" about how teams should or shouldn't try at certain points of the game is that it makes the game less fun and less enjoyable for the paying customers if someone like Zegras is discouraged from scoring impressive goals when he can because he should primarily care about the fragile egos of the Coyotes players and not, you know, playing entertaining hockey. What he does is only "asking for trouble" because of the morons like Beagle in the game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on April 03, 2022, 10:07:01 PM
Quote from: Nik on April 03, 2022, 02:49:28 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on April 02, 2022, 08:15:35 PM
Beagle went over the line by pounding him..he should have stopped. I'm more ticked at the linesman for not stepping in.

No, I think the majority of the blame still falls on Beagle there.


That's an understatement. I'm pretty sure the blame belongs solely on the guy guilty of assault.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 04, 2022, 10:11:26 AM
https://twitter.com/JeffMarek/status/1510766673397264385

Hockey culture:
"Hockey players are the toughest athletes on the entire planet"

Also hockey culture apparently:
"Please don't smile after a goal you might make your opponent more sad"
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Rob on April 04, 2022, 10:17:20 AM
Right, because fans would rather watch some goon punch it up instead of watching some creativity and personality.   
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on April 04, 2022, 10:25:06 AM
The NHL kind of reminds me a bit of Britain under its current government. "We need to leave the EU because we are GREAT Britain and everything will just be fine like when we had an empire."

Stuck in some kind of sepia tinged "good old days" of the past that even by the standards of the day was a bit blurred but by modern standards is positively Neolithic. Being kept there by a bunch of old people who are so out of touch with actual reality, people unwilling to accept they're dinosaurs and who probably profit from things not changing.

But times and people change. Standards of behaviour change. And eventually, like Britain, the NHL will get shunned and left behind by those who are more enlightened and progressive.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 04, 2022, 12:41:13 PM
Good on Subban here standing up for Hughes. Not a good hit.
https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/1510730443582324738
https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/1510731119892779009
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on April 04, 2022, 02:32:51 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on April 04, 2022, 12:41:13 PM
Good on Subban here standing up for Hughes. Not a good hit.
https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/1510730443582324738
https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/1510731119892779009
How does the whole deterrent thing work if there's that level of instigator rule? Stars literally have no protection. Using stars as hostages for goons to blackmail other teams into not running them is friging insane.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on April 04, 2022, 09:05:58 PM
smdh..

the league has to do something about Brad Marchand. That <censored> goon levelled a Blue Jacket tonight with a hit to the head. That went uncalled of course.

Guy is a multiple repeat offender. The league needs to clean up this sort of <censored>  (that's how mad I am)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 04, 2022, 09:24:48 PM
Quote from: LittleHockeyFan on April 04, 2022, 09:05:58 PM
smdh..

the league has to do something about Brad Marchand. That <censored> goon levelled a Blue Jacket tonight with a hit to the head. That went uncalled of course.

Guy is a multiple repeat offender. The league needs to clean up this sort of <censored>  (that's how mad I am)
Need video...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 04, 2022, 09:31:51 PM
It still surprises me no one has knocked all his teeth out yet. He's a good player when he focuses on hockey. He's just so easily thrown off his game and into the stupidity.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 04, 2022, 09:35:23 PM
Good read from Pronger...
https://twitter.com/chrispronger/status/1511061515956551682
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 04, 2022, 10:38:22 PM
https://twitter.com/conorryan_93/status/1511129967014420485
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 04, 2022, 10:48:04 PM
Quote from: herman on April 04, 2022, 10:38:22 PM
https://twitter.com/conorryan_93/status/1511129967014420485
2nd angle def looks like a headshot to me. 1st angle it's hard to tell.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on April 05, 2022, 12:26:51 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on April 04, 2022, 09:35:23 PM
Good read from Pronger...
https://twitter.com/chrispronger/status/1511061515956551682

One of the things that always shocks me, and this is true of all manner of celebrities and not just athletes, is that when they discover that they're having money troubles it's frequently along the lines of "My financial advisor told me I was broke" or "My business manager told me I was spending 5 times what I was bringing in" and I just cannot fathom having such little idea about or control over your own finances that you wouldn't be generally aware of things like that.

Maybe it's just because I've always been the sort of guy who's pretty risk-averse when it comes to investing but the idea of making millions of dollars and handing it over to someone else because you've just gotta get that 11% ROI is just completely foreign to me.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on April 05, 2022, 07:55:13 AM
Quote from: Nik on April 05, 2022, 12:26:51 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on April 04, 2022, 09:35:23 PM
Good read from Pronger...
https://twitter.com/chrispronger/status/1511061515956551682

One of the things that always shocks me, and this is true of all manner of celebrities and not just athletes, is that when they discover that they're having money troubles it's frequently along the lines of "My financial advisor told me I was broke" or "My business manager told me I was spending 5 times what I was bringing in" and I just cannot fathom having such little idea about or control over your own finances that you wouldn't be generally aware of things like that.

Maybe it's just because I've always been the sort of guy who's pretty risk-averse when it comes to investing but the idea of making millions of dollars and handing it over to someone else because you've just gotta get that 11% ROI is just completely foreign to me.
People get sold ideas all the time. I mean we had Donald freaking Trump as president.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on April 05, 2022, 02:00:09 PM
Quote from: Bender on April 05, 2022, 07:55:13 AM
People get sold ideas all the time. I mean we had Donald freaking Trump as president.

Thing is, I don't think it's just about being sold on a bad idea. I don't think there's anything inherently bad about having someone manage your money. It's the complete detachment from the state of your own personal finances and basically playing roulette with hoping that the person you've put in charge of your finances is half-way decent and trustworthy that seems like such a bad decision to me.

Maybe it's just because I've never had a ton of money to worry about but the idea that you'd be so completely removed from what you've got coming in vs. what's going out but seems just entirely alien to me.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on April 05, 2022, 03:10:30 PM
Getzlaf out.

I found it surprising to read that he's only been an NHL all-star 3 times.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/ducks-captain-ryan-getzlaf-to-retire-after-17-nhl-seasons/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on April 05, 2022, 03:25:54 PM
Quote from: Frank E on April 05, 2022, 03:10:30 PM
Getzlaf out.

I found it surprising to read that he's only been an NHL all-star 3 times.

Between all of the format changes, one player per team requirement and skipped years, I barely even know how to contextualize that.

Is he a HOFer? No major individual trophies(and just one nom), one second team all-star nod and never led the league in an important category but on the other hand a cup, some gold medals and 1000+ points.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on April 05, 2022, 05:06:02 PM
Quote from: Nik on April 05, 2022, 03:25:54 PM
Quote from: Frank E on April 05, 2022, 03:10:30 PM
Getzlaf out.

I found it surprising to read that he's only been an NHL all-star 3 times.

Between all of the format changes, one player per team requirement and skipped years, I barely even know how to contextualize that.

Is he a HOFer? No major individual trophies(and just one nom), one second team all-star nod and never led the league in an important category but on the other hand a cup, some gold medals and 1000+ points.

Based off the NHL's criteria of play a long time and be good he is easily in the Hall of Fame.

For the post-lockout generation (2005-present) Getzlaf is 7th in points. 

World Juniors - 1 silver, 1 gold
Olympics - 2 golds
NHL - Stanley Cup, 1000+ points, 120 playoff points

I think he has enough of a resume to get in while being one of those guys who was always really good but never anywhere near the best player in the league.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on April 05, 2022, 05:49:30 PM
Based on that, shouldn't Damphousse be in the hall of fame then?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on April 05, 2022, 06:50:06 PM
I think Alfredsson as at least an equal but probably better case than Getzlaf.

*ducks*
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 05, 2022, 11:49:50 PM
https://twitter.com/jshannonhl/status/1511532315301842948

Draisaitl scratched tonight.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on April 06, 2022, 10:37:16 AM
Quote from: Deebo on April 05, 2022, 06:50:06 PM
I think Alfredsson as at least an equal but probably better case than Getzlaf.

*ducks*

Never been an alfredsson fan but I'd say he's a HOF player before Getzlaf.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on April 06, 2022, 10:52:03 AM
Quote from: Deebo on April 05, 2022, 06:50:06 PM
I think Alfredsson as at least an equal but probably better case than Getzlaf.

*ducks*

That's sort of my point. Guys like Alfredsson or Damphousse or so on kind of show that just being pretty good for a long while doesn't tend to punch a ticket to the HHOF. Even someone like Mogilny, who probably has a better case than any of them to have been an elite player for a while, hasn't made it.

I feel like Getzlaf is probably more in that group.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 06, 2022, 10:52:47 AM
Yeah Getzlaf is a prime example of the "Hall of Very Good to Excellent" rather than the Hall of Fame
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on April 06, 2022, 11:01:43 AM
https://thehockeynews.com/news/hossa-to-sign-one-day-contract-with-blackhawks-retire

I don't get it. He last played for the blackhawks. So what's the point of this?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 06, 2022, 11:03:54 AM
If the bar for getting into the HHOF were as high as I'd want I don't think he'd get in. But based on where it actually is I think he does though. Whether he's a first ballot guy would just depend on who else in his class at the time.

I'd lean toward having him in over guys like Alfredsson and Damphousse too. At least with Getzlaf you can point at a season where he was legitimately one of the best players in the league (13/14 when he finished 2nd in points, 2nd in Hart voting, and was also a finalist for the Ted Lindsay). A HOF guy should at least have 1 peak season like that.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on April 06, 2022, 11:16:39 AM
Quote from: Joe S. on April 06, 2022, 11:01:43 AM
https://thehockeynews.com/news/hossa-to-sign-one-day-contract-with-blackhawks-retire

I don't get it. He last played for the blackhawks. So what's the point of this?

I mean, all of those "Sign a 1 day contract to retire a _____" things are pointless outside of the symbolism so to do it when he "officially" retires doesn't seem inherently less pointless than it ever is.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 06, 2022, 11:20:41 AM
Quote from: Nik on April 06, 2022, 11:16:39 AM
Quote from: Joe S. on April 06, 2022, 11:01:43 AM
https://thehockeynews.com/news/hossa-to-sign-one-day-contract-with-blackhawks-retire

I don't get it. He last played for the blackhawks. So what's the point of this?

I mean, all of those "Sign a 1 day contract to retire a _____" things are pointless outside of the symbolism so to do it when he "officially" retires doesn't seem inherently less pointless than it ever is.

It's clearly meaningful to Hossa to officially retire as a member of a team he actually played for. At the end of the day, that's the only point here, and, also, the only impact here.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on April 06, 2022, 11:21:13 AM
I get it for a player that hasn't played for that org for a while, like Halladay for example, he last played for the Phillies but wanted to retire as a Blue Jays player, but Hossa last played for Chicago, so what's the point? I also thought he'd already retired.

But yes, these one day contracts are pointless, but this seems like a new level of pointless.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on April 06, 2022, 11:23:32 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 06, 2022, 11:03:54 AM
I'd lean toward having him in over guys like Alfredsson and Damphousse too. At least with Getzlaf you can point at a season where he was legitimately one of the best players in the league (13/14 when he finished 2nd in points, 2nd in Hart voting, and was also a finalist for the Ted Lindsay). A HOF guy should at least have 1 peak season like that.

Alfredsson in 05/06 was 5th in Hart voting and had 12 more goals and 16 more points than Getzlaf did in 13/14.

Pretty good peak year, plus 160 more career goals, higher points per game, good playoff numbers, also has Olympic Gold.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Rob on April 06, 2022, 11:24:04 AM
Quote from: Joe S. on April 06, 2022, 11:01:43 AM
https://thehockeynews.com/news/hossa-to-sign-one-day-contract-with-blackhawks-retire

I don't get it. He last played for the blackhawks. So what's the point of this?

His contract was traded to the Coyotes. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on April 06, 2022, 11:28:30 AM
Quote from: Joe S. on April 06, 2022, 11:21:13 AM
I get it for a player that hasn't played for that org for a while, like Halladay for example, he last played for the Phillies but wanted to retire as a Blue Jays player, but Hossa last played for Chicago, so what's the point? I also thought he'd already retired.

Well, I assume literally that when you officially file the paperwork for retirement you have to put down what team you were last a part of and in Hossa's case, that's the Coyotes or whoever ended up with his contract. So the symbolism is he gets to put down the Blackhawks on his retirement papers which is the "point" of all of these things.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on April 06, 2022, 11:31:51 AM
Quote from: Rob on April 06, 2022, 11:24:04 AM
Quote from: Joe S. on April 06, 2022, 11:01:43 AM
https://thehockeynews.com/news/hossa-to-sign-one-day-contract-with-blackhawks-retire

I don't get it. He last played for the blackhawks. So what's the point of this?

His contract was traded to the Coyotes.

Ok. But he never played there and never wore the uniform. Anyway it doesn't really matter. This just seemed extra pointless to me but if it's important to him all the power to him.

And I guess it's a good pr move for Chicago what with all the negative press around them this year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 06, 2022, 11:43:26 AM
Quote from: Deebo on April 06, 2022, 11:23:32 AM
Alfredsson in 05/06 was 5th in Hart voting and had 12 more goals and 16 more points than Getzlaf did in 13/14.

True but I don't really think you can directly compare 05/06 scoring to 13/14 scoring, things were bonkers coming right out of the lockout. In Alfredsson's best season he finished well outside the top-3 for the Hart, and even probably more deserved a 6th place finish at best that season. Ovi finishing behind him despite scoring 52 goals, having more points (albeit a very slightly less PPG rate), and having Dainius Zubrus as his linemate as opposed to Heatley and Spezza feels like an outright travesty but that's an entirely separate conversation. Getzlaf had a season where he was a top-3 player in hockey. I think that's a noteworthy distinction to make despite the differences in goals/points the two had in those respective seasons.

Quote from: Deebo on April 06, 2022, 11:23:32 AM
Pretty good peak year, plus 160 more career goals, higher points per game, good playoff numbers, also has Olympic Gold.

And I think all of that makes a solid case for Alfredsson being in the "Hall of very good" category which may eventually turn into a HHOF nod. Getzlaf would absolutely also be in that category as well, maybe even a small notch below Alfy, if he didn't have that one season where he could call himself a top-3 player in the world.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on April 06, 2022, 11:54:09 AM
Hey I'm all for arguments against alfredsson. This has been fun.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bill_Berg_is_sad on April 06, 2022, 12:11:14 PM
Booooooooooo. For the dirty hit on Tucker.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on April 06, 2022, 12:50:12 PM
I remember losing my shit when he did the fake stick throw to make fun of Sundin. I was so angry.

I'd likely laugh if that happened today.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 06, 2022, 12:56:22 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on April 06, 2022, 12:50:12 PM
I remember losing my shit when he did the fake stick throw to make fun of Sundin. I was so angry.

I'd likely laugh if that happened today.

I don't remember what my reaction to it was at the time but yeah after all these years I don't know how anyone can say that wasn't a solid bit on his part.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 08, 2022, 10:55:04 AM
There's currently 48 players who have played at least 28 games this season and are scoring at a PPG or higher pace.

Last season 22 players did that. The season before that, also 22.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Peter D. on April 08, 2022, 01:11:41 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on April 06, 2022, 12:50:12 PM
I remember losing my shit when he did the fake stick throw to make fun of Sundin. I was so angry.

I'd likely laugh if that happened today.

Even at the time I thought it was funny.  Fitting to the situation.

As much as he was hated as Leaf rival, he was a great player for that franchise for many years.  Had he been a Leaf, and I know we always said he'd have been the perfect winger for Sundin, we would have absolutely loved him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on April 08, 2022, 02:06:17 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 08, 2022, 10:55:04 AM
There's currently 48 players who have played at least 28 games this season and are scoring at a PPG or higher pace.

Last season 22 players did that. The season before that, also 22.

28 games seems like a low bar no?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 08, 2022, 02:12:52 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on April 08, 2022, 02:06:17 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 08, 2022, 10:55:04 AM
There's currently 48 players who have played at least 28 games this season and are scoring at a PPG or higher pace.

Last season 22 players did that. The season before that, also 22.

28 games seems like a low bar no?

It's 1/3 of the season. Enough that it would require a fair amount of skill and luck to still be a P/G player.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 08, 2022, 02:17:40 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on April 08, 2022, 02:12:52 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on April 08, 2022, 02:06:17 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 08, 2022, 10:55:04 AM
There's currently 48 players who have played at least 28 games this season and are scoring at a PPG or higher pace.

Last season 22 players did that. The season before that, also 22.

28 games seems like a low bar no?

It's 1/3 of the season. Enough that it would require a fair amount of skill and luck to still be a P/G player.

It squeezes in guys like Stone, Pacioretty, Kucherov, and Malkin who missed a lot of time this year but are of course legitimately top level players that likely would have hit the PPG mark even with more games.

If you go with 48 games played that's still 43 players.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 08, 2022, 04:46:09 PM
https://twitter.com/capfriendly/status/1512518315117264898
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on April 08, 2022, 08:30:04 PM
Quote from: Peter D. on April 08, 2022, 01:11:41 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on April 06, 2022, 12:50:12 PM
I remember losing my shit when he did the fake stick throw to make fun of Sundin. I was so angry.

I'd likely laugh if that happened today.

Even at the time I thought it was funny.  Fitting to the situation.

As much as he was hated as Leaf rival, he was a great player for that franchise for many years.  Had he been a Leaf, and I know we always said he'd have been the perfect winger for Sundin, we would have absolutely loved him.

I thought it was funny at the time. I remember that game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 10, 2022, 09:04:31 AM
Brandon Hagel, with Tampa: 11 games, 2 goals, 0 assists.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 10, 2022, 09:21:01 AM
It's crazy that Dallas is currently a wild card playoff team, and they have a goal differential of -5.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 10, 2022, 09:43:20 AM
https://twitter.com/HeyBarber/status/1512819309852172289

How soon before Zegras tries this one?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 10, 2022, 11:42:18 AM
Tampa's regulation time points percentage this year: .585.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 10, 2022, 01:20:32 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 10, 2022, 09:43:20 AM
https://twitter.com/HeyBarber/status/1512819309852172289

How soon before Zegras tries this one?

What the heck, how?! what?!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on April 10, 2022, 04:30:12 PM
Boston lost today. Woo-hoo!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 10, 2022, 09:56:40 PM
https://twitter.com/nhl_on_tnt/status/1513274278694858753
$5000 fine coming right up lmao
Title: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 10, 2022, 11:09:30 PM
Quote from: Bender on April 10, 2022, 04:30:12 PM
Boston lost today. Woo-hoo!
Tampa won, thanks a lot, Smurffalo.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on April 11, 2022, 09:04:39 PM
Quote from: herman on April 10, 2022, 09:56:40 PM
https://twitter.com/nhl_on_tnt/status/1513274278694858753
$5000 fine coming right up lmao

4 games.

I'm shocked.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on April 11, 2022, 10:21:27 PM
Quote from: L K on April 11, 2022, 09:04:39 PM
Quote from: herman on April 10, 2022, 09:56:40 PM
https://twitter.com/nhl_on_tnt/status/1513274278694858753
$5000 fine coming right up lmao

4 games.

I'm shocked.
Good.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on April 11, 2022, 10:28:19 PM
I don't think he deserved to be suspended twice as long as Matthews, who already got suspended longer than most cross checks to the face.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 11, 2022, 10:57:00 PM
Quote from: Deebo on April 11, 2022, 10:28:19 PM
I don't think he deserved to be suspended twice as long as Matthews, who already got suspended longer than most cross checks to the face.
Matthews didn't cross check Dahlin in the face. Malkin def deserved more. He gave him a two hander and then cross checked him in the mouth. There also was an injury and Malkin is a repeat offender.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on April 11, 2022, 11:38:21 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on April 11, 2022, 10:57:00 PM
Quote from: Deebo on April 11, 2022, 10:28:19 PM
I don't think he deserved to be suspended twice as long as Matthews, who already got suspended longer than most cross checks to the face.
Matthews didn't cross check Dahlin in the face. Malkin def deserved more. He gave him a two hander and then cross checked him in the mouth. There also was an injury and Malkin is a repeat offender.

Face/neck/side of the head, whatever. Very similar act, high cross check, not worth double IMO. Especially when other high cross checks have gotten nothing.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on April 12, 2022, 12:07:46 AM

Anyone else kind of feel like the NHL is coming down harder on stars committing infractions than they are guys with suspension histories and reputations as dirty players?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 12, 2022, 12:37:10 AM
Quote from: Nik on April 12, 2022, 12:07:46 AM

Anyone else kind of feel like the NHL is coming down harder on stars committing infractions than they are guys with suspension histories and reputations as dirty players?

That's to show how much integrity they got.

Oh and completely BTW every game starts at Bet99.net.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 12, 2022, 01:39:45 AM
Quote from: Deebo on April 11, 2022, 11:38:21 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on April 11, 2022, 10:57:00 PM
Quote from: Deebo on April 11, 2022, 10:28:19 PM
I don't think he deserved to be suspended twice as long as Matthews, who already got suspended longer than most cross checks to the face.
Matthews didn't cross check Dahlin in the face. Malkin def deserved more. He gave him a two hander and then cross checked him in the mouth. There also was an injury and Malkin is a repeat offender.

Face/neck/side of the head, whatever. Very similar act, high cross check, not worth double IMO. Especially when other high cross checks have gotten nothing.
It's not whatever and it has nothing to do with others. This is a comparison between Matthews and Malkin. While all of them are bad, cross checking someone in the mouth is worse then the Matthews deal. What makes it worse for me when comparing the 2 is that Matthews and Dahlin were battling and the play was continuous. This play however was over when Malkin retaliated by first giving him a 2 hander, then cross checking him directly in the face. Malkin also caused an injury as Borowiecki was forced to leave the game. Add in he's a repeat offender, he got a game for swinging his stick at Michael Raffl's head in 2019 and has been fined 3 times.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on April 12, 2022, 09:55:28 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on April 12, 2022, 01:39:45 AM
This is a comparison between Matthews and Malkin. While all of them are bad, cross checking someone in the mouth is worse then the Matthews deal.

You were responding to my orignal post and I was comparing it to Matthews and other high cross checks and I don't agree that mouth is worse than side of the head or neck.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on April 12, 2022, 10:15:18 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on April 12, 2022, 01:39:45 AM
... Add in he's a repeat offender, he got a game for swinging his stick at Michael Raffl's head in 2019 and has been fined 3 times.


I agree this part is important. Matthews coming off a Lady Byng trophy and Malkin having been disciplined before.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 12, 2022, 10:20:31 AM
Quote from: Deebo on April 12, 2022, 09:55:28 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on April 12, 2022, 01:39:45 AM
This is a comparison between Matthews and Malkin. While all of them are bad, cross checking someone in the mouth is worse then the Matthews deal.

You were responding to my orignal post and I was comparing it to Matthews and other high cross checks and I don't agree that mouth is worse than side of the head or neck.

I thought the force of Matthews' was worse. His had a ton more momentum into it while Malkin's was mostly from a stationary point. But Malkin's been suspended before and the league always goes extra when there's blood involved so I guess that'll do it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 13, 2022, 03:10:49 PM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1514315372811464704
You guys don't have enough?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on April 13, 2022, 03:39:27 PM
Quote from: herman on April 13, 2022, 03:10:49 PM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1514315372811464704
You guys don't have enough?

Not enough to make it past the conference semis yet.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 13, 2022, 04:14:03 PM
Quote from: Deebo on April 13, 2022, 03:39:27 PM
Not enough to make it past the conference semis yet.

I am only comfortable making fun of teams who can't make it to the playoffs at all  :'(
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 13, 2022, 09:52:58 PM
https://twitter.com/Serenade_az/status/1514275314653925381

Coyotes gonna Coyote.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on April 14, 2022, 07:54:25 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 13, 2022, 09:52:58 PM
https://twitter.com/Serenade_az/status/1514275314653925381

Coyotes gonna Coyote.
Just fold this clown franchise already, Jesus.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 15, 2022, 08:35:20 AM
https://twitter.com/renlavoietva/status/1514936957171863567
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 16, 2022, 11:28:09 PM
Quite the barn burner in Canes vs Avs tonight

Edit: he has already seen 7 goals go past him, and now Andersen is down and getting a visit from the trainer. A very innocuous shift from right to left looked super awkward and he just looked like something really popped when forced to make a point blank save shortly after. Looks like left groin from afar. Raanta in for relief.

https://twitter.com/waltruff/status/1515535307759767557
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on April 17, 2022, 09:01:35 AM
Quote from: herman on April 16, 2022, 11:28:09 PM
Quite the barn burner in Canes vs Avs tonight

Edit: he has already seen 7 goals go past him, and now Andersen is down and getting a visit from the trainer. A very innocuous shift from right to left looked super awkward and he just looked like something really popped when forced to make a point blank save shortly after. Looks like left groin from afar. Raanta in for relief.

https://twitter.com/waltruff/status/1515535307759767557
I see that Freddie had given up 7 goals BEFORE that injury. What the hell was Brind'amour thinking not pulling him at some point earlier in the game?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 17, 2022, 09:49:15 AM
Rested Panthers playing Detroit on a back-to-back tonight. Bets on how many Florida scores?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 17, 2022, 10:28:16 AM
https://twitter.com/nhlflames/status/1515540602661744652
Congrats and please enjoy retirement and maybe convince Graham to join you
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 17, 2022, 10:29:33 AM
Quote from: Zee on April 17, 2022, 09:01:35 AM
Quote from: herman on April 16, 2022, 11:28:09 PM
Quite the barn burner in Canes vs Avs tonight

Edit: he has already seen 7 goals go past him, and now Andersen is down and getting a visit from the trainer. A very innocuous shift from right to left looked super awkward and he just looked like something really popped when forced to make a point blank save shortly after. Looks like left groin from afar. Raanta in for relief.

https://twitter.com/waltruff/status/1515535307759767557
I see that Freddie had given up 7 goals BEFORE that injury. What the hell was Brind'amour thinking not pulling him at some point earlier in the game?

The Canes were mostly only 2 goals back, so with their pop and Avs goaltending, there was still a chance.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on April 17, 2022, 11:08:36 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 17, 2022, 09:49:15 AM
Rested Panthers playing Detroit on a back-to-back tonight. Bets on how many Florida scores?

Over/Under is 7 and I'd wager expectations are that breaks down as 5-2.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 17, 2022, 01:12:34 PM
Quote from: Nik on April 17, 2022, 11:08:36 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 17, 2022, 09:49:15 AM
Rested Panthers playing Detroit on a back-to-back tonight. Bets on how many Florida scores?

Over/Under is 7 and I'd wager expectations are that breaks down as 5-2.
I heard it a day or two ago and forget the exact number, but Detroit has given up 7+ goals a shocking number of times this year. I could easily see Florida adding to that number tonight.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 17, 2022, 01:33:49 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 17, 2022, 01:12:34 PM
I heard it a day or two ago and forget the exact number, but Detroit has given up 7+ goals a shocking number of times this year. I could easily see Florida adding to that number tonight.

Was curious and this was easy enough to check so:

11 GA x1 (Florida)
10 GA x1 (Toronto)
9 GA x1 (Arizona)
8 GA x1 (Chicago)
7 GA x5
6 GA x4
5 GA x16
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 17, 2022, 09:30:32 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 17, 2022, 01:33:49 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 17, 2022, 01:12:34 PM
I heard it a day or two ago and forget the exact number, but Detroit has given up 7+ goals a shocking number of times this year. I could easily see Florida adding to that number tonight.

Was curious and this was easy enough to check so:

11 GA x1 (Florida)
10 GA x1 (Toronto)
9 GA x1 (Arizona)
8 GA x1 (Chicago)
7 GA x5
6 GA x4
5 GA x16
6-1 final tonight. Detroit kept them from 7!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 18, 2022, 02:07:30 PM
https://twitter.com/EYEOFNIGHTVALE/status/1515891270916485124
lmao what
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 18, 2022, 02:13:09 PM
https://twitter.com/CrossingBroad/status/1516081786916417540
:(
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 18, 2022, 03:34:09 PM
https://twitter.com/ice_chip/status/1516133628228648961

Gonna be interesting to see how Carolina finishes the season. The Rangers had already caught up to them in points (tied at 104 with Carolina having 1 extra regulation win for the tiebreaker). And if Freddie misses most if not all of the rest of the season they could very well get bumped out of that top spot in the Metro which I'm pretty sure they've held all season long.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 19, 2022, 12:44:29 AM
https://twitter.com/thegoldenmuzzy/status/1516275884528971777
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 19, 2022, 08:19:41 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 19, 2022, 12:44:29 AM
https://twitter.com/thegoldenmuzzy/status/1516275884528971777

Vegas also lost to one of the worst teams in the league (New Jersey) with Andrew Hammond in net for them despite needing almost every point they can get to squeak back into the playoffs at this point.

With both them and LA struggling right now that actually opens the door just a little bit for Vancouver to still be alive in the garbage Pacific division.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 19, 2022, 11:31:17 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 19, 2022, 08:19:41 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 19, 2022, 12:44:29 AM
https://twitter.com/thegoldenmuzzy/status/1516275884528971777

Vegas also lost to one of the worst teams in the league (New Jersey) with Andrew Hammond in net for them despite needing almost every point they can get to squeak back into the playoffs at this point.

With both them and LA struggling right now that actually opens the door just a little bit for Vancouver to still be alive in the garbage Pacific division.

The Pacific Division Garbage Patch is quite the phenomenon, and I wonder if there will be analysis of the confluence of events/situations that have led to the dissolution of what was once a powerhouse division. The nadirs of the three California-based teams arms race in the late 2000s/early 2010s + the two expansions? Very late recognition of turnover time as they've all saddled themselves with big ticket/playoff reward contracts to aging stars?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on April 19, 2022, 12:22:35 PM
So that being said is Calgary's record not as impressive as it looks? Because of all the teams in the west, they are the only one that seem scary.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on April 19, 2022, 10:39:02 PM
Frig these OT winning Panthers.

*edit: AND BRUINS!!!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 20, 2022, 09:11:03 AM
https://twitter.com/scottcwheeler/status/1516759779640815617

https://twitter.com/scottcwheeler/status/1516760689402077184

Great system. [emoji106]
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 20, 2022, 10:56:39 AM
https://twitter.com/TheFourthPeriod/status/1516785009528614924

Ryan Ellis has played just 4 games this season, has been injured since mid-November, and the Flyers don't even know what's wrong with him? He hasn't had any surgery and the they're just hoping he feels better eventually? What?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 20, 2022, 11:44:34 AM
If you're the Bruins/Lightning, does it not make sense to try to stick the wildcard slot and test your luck against the Metro division, where their top dogs have either a broken starting goaltender or are very old or is NYR running on sv%? rather than running a gauntlet of Toronto then Florida?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 20, 2022, 02:29:49 PM
https://twitter.com/HeleneStJames/status/1516825399157837830
richard castle.gif this one
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on April 20, 2022, 05:55:15 PM
Quote from: herman on April 20, 2022, 02:29:49 PM
https://twitter.com/HeleneStJames/status/1516825399157837830
richard castle.gif this one

It's just pipes! They go to same place!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 20, 2022, 06:27:12 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on April 20, 2022, 05:55:15 PM
It's just pipes! They go to same place!

If you really think about it, aren't we all just a series of pipes that go to the same place at the end?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Highlander on April 20, 2022, 06:28:21 PM
I am pissed off about this.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 20, 2022, 06:54:39 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 20, 2022, 10:56:39 AM
https://twitter.com/TheFourthPeriod/status/1516785009528614924

Ryan Ellis has played just 4 games this season, has been injured since mid-November, and the Flyers don't even know what's wrong with him? He hasn't had any surgery and the they're just hoping he feels better eventually? What?

https://twitter.com/jimikehw/status/1516808311991160834
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on April 20, 2022, 11:31:21 PM
Quote from: herman on April 20, 2022, 11:44:34 AM
If you're the Bruins/Lightning, does it not make sense to try to stick the wildcard slot and test your luck against the Metro division, where their top dogs have either a broken starting goaltender or are very old or is NYR running on sv%? rather than running a gauntlet of Toronto then Florida?

I think I'd just focus on getting my own team playing well
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 21, 2022, 02:04:37 PM
https://twitter.com/GregY_JR/status/1517092386337402884

lol, good luck Ottawa.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 21, 2022, 07:09:34 PM
https://twitter.com/ineffectivemath/status/1517278415438725120
It's little things like this that bring me joy throughout the day
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 22, 2022, 02:26:30 PM
Back at the trade deadline week:
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1504534211373510658

Today:
https://twitter.com/emilymkaplan/status/1517564070148382728
https://twitter.com/DavidSchoenLVRJ/status/1517576470012432384
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on April 22, 2022, 07:31:33 PM
Quote from: herman on April 22, 2022, 02:26:30 PM
Back at the trade deadline week:
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1504534211373510658

Today:
https://twitter.com/emilymkaplan/status/1517564070148382728
https://twitter.com/DavidSchoenLVRJ/status/1517576470012432384
Garbage organization.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 23, 2022, 03:14:28 PM
https://twitter.com/jessegranger_/status/1517937649528451073
https://twitter.com/jessegranger_/status/1517939819799752704
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 23, 2022, 08:22:26 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1518019895568572416

The original tweet has been deleted but it's clearly about crypto or Bitcoin, and it seems that CJ is deeper into the cult than I thought.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 23, 2022, 08:24:38 PM
Big yikes.

Also the tweet he was replying to wasn't deleted, but it's from a locked account. Says: "It's just appalling how certain reporters are just credulously flogging bitcoin, an environmental catastrophe whose only viable use case is to con suckers and commit crime.".
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 23, 2022, 08:27:18 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 23, 2022, 08:22:26 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1518019895568572416

The original tweet has been deleted but it's clearly about crypto or Bitcoin, and it seems that CJ is deeper into the cult than I thought.
Here it is!

https://twitter.com/_marlanderthews/status/1518021274664112130

[emoji51][emoji1782]
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 23, 2022, 08:29:43 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 23, 2022, 08:22:26 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1518019895568572416

The original tweet has been deleted but it's clearly about crypto or Bitcoin, and it seems that CJ is deeper into the cult than I thought.

With the way it's worded, it feels more like he got hacked.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 23, 2022, 08:31:15 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on April 23, 2022, 08:29:43 PM
With the way it's worded, it feels more like he got hacked.

Nah, he's been on the bitcoin train for a pretty long time now.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 23, 2022, 08:39:30 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 23, 2022, 08:31:15 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on April 23, 2022, 08:29:43 PM
With the way it's worded, it feels more like he got hacked.

Nah, he's been on the bitcoin train for a pretty long time now.
Lol, he finally took the Bitcoin logo out of his profile!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on April 23, 2022, 08:47:39 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on April 23, 2022, 08:29:43 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 23, 2022, 08:22:26 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1518019895568572416

The original tweet has been deleted but it's clearly about crypto or Bitcoin, and it seems that CJ is deeper into the cult than I thought.

With the way it's worded, it feels more like he got hacked.

It sounds more cultish.  See the same kind of wording from Elon Musk
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 23, 2022, 08:58:57 PM
Whoever tweeted that it's an environmental disaster is right on the (real) money.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 23, 2022, 09:21:49 PM
https://twitter.com/simmonssteve/status/1518032404644048896

Credit to Simmons for refusing to let someone in hockey media post something dumber on twitter than him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 23, 2022, 09:27:22 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 23, 2022, 09:21:49 PM
https://twitter.com/simmonssteve/status/1518032404644048896

Credit to Simmons for refusing to let someone in hockey media post something dumber on twitter than him.

This might be the dumbest thing a hockey media person has ever said. And that's saying something.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on April 24, 2022, 08:42:39 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 23, 2022, 09:21:49 PM
https://twitter.com/simmonssteve/status/1518032404644048896

Credit to Simmons for refusing to let someone in hockey media post something dumber on twitter than him.
He deleted it when many people pointed out that every goal scored in the history of hockey has come off a shot attempt
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 24, 2022, 09:17:24 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 23, 2022, 08:24:38 PM
Big yikes.

Also the tweet he was replying to wasn't deleted, but it's from a locked account. Says: "It's just appalling how certain reporters are just credulously flogging bitcoin, an environmental catastrophe whose only viable use case is to con suckers and commit crime.".
Yeah, I figured that out after posting about it being a locked account. Which makes me wonder if he locked it after a bunch of BitClowns went after him? Apparently CJ took the Bitcoin logo out of his profile after writing his recent Peter Holland Bitcoin puff piece.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on April 24, 2022, 09:55:22 AM
Speaking of terrible things for the world, I wonder if there is anything fans can do to voice their disapproval of the NHL's total sell out to gambling interests.  Every comment or is now commenting on how they gamble and the odds. Segments that look like they are between reporters (usually young guys in their 20s) discussing odds and bets.

I was looking for a quick summary of the costs of gambling on to individuals and society but googling ran into so much material for people with gambling problems that I couldn't uncover the kind of broad but quick survey or list of facts I was looking for....

If I had to guess, online gambling is going to be so much worse for people than casinos because it is so accessible. At least you have to go to a casino to gamble and you can put yourself on a problem gambler list. It seems impossible to wall yourself off from gambling and still own a computer.

We need some laws that ban all this gambling advertising like we have for cigarettes. Same concept: addictive and bad for your health.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 24, 2022, 09:59:53 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 24, 2022, 09:17:24 AM
Yeah, I figured that out after posting about it being a locked account. Which makes me wonder if he locked it after a bunch of BitClowns went after him? Apparently CJ took the Bitcoin logo out of his profile after writing his recent Peter Holland Bitcoin puff piece.

Not a bad theory but no, 67sound's been locked for about as long as I can remember. He's a very long-time member of "Leafs Twitter" dating back to when he was a blogger with PPP during the Caryle/Nonis years aka the Golden Age of Leafs Blogging.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Rob on April 24, 2022, 10:14:09 AM
Quote from: princedpw on April 24, 2022, 09:55:22 AM
Speaking of terrible things for the world, I wonder if there is anything fans can do to voice their disapproval of the NHL's total sell out to gambling interests.  Every comment or is now commenting on how they gamble and the odds. Segments that look like they are between reporters (usually young guys in their 20s) discussing odds and bets.

I was looking for a quick summary of the costs of gambling on to individuals and society but googling ran into so much material for people with gambling problems that I couldn't uncover the kind of broad but quick survey or list of facts I was looking for....

If I had to guess, online gambling is going to be so much worse for people than casinos because it is so accessible. At least you have to go to a casino to gamble and you can put yourself on a problem gambler list. It seems impossible to wall yourself off from gambling and still own a computer.

We need some laws that ban all this gambling advertising like we have for cigarettes. Same concept: addictive and bad for your health.

While I agree with you, follow the money.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 24, 2022, 11:13:46 AM
Quote from: princedpw on April 24, 2022, 09:55:22 AM
Speaking of terrible things for the world, I wonder if there is anything fans can do to voice their disapproval of the NHL's total sell out to gambling interests.  Every comment or is now commenting on how they gamble and the odds. Segments that look like they are between reporters (usually young guys in their 20s) discussing odds and bets.

I was looking for a quick summary of the costs of gambling on to individuals and society but googling ran into so much material for people with gambling problems that I couldn't uncover the kind of broad but quick survey or list of facts I was looking for....

If I had to guess, online gambling is going to be so much worse for people than casinos because it is so accessible. At least you have to go to a casino to gamble and you can put yourself on a problem gambler list. It seems impossible to wall yourself off from gambling and still own a computer.

We need some laws that ban all this gambling advertising like we have for cigarettes. Same concept: addictive and bad for your health.
I don't disagree. I have no interest in sports betting and don't have any moral qualms in general about gambling. But the pushing of sports betting has abruptly become so shockingly pervasive now, and it seems everybody in sports reporting from the networks to the reporters are taking their cut.

I prefer my sports Itchy and Scratchy without the gambling Poochie and wish he would go back to his home planet.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 24, 2022, 11:44:51 AM
All about the sponsor/ad money and let's not kid ourselves here, this isn't new even if the advertising is. Online gambling has been around since the 90's. I've got many friends that have bet online for years. It became legal in the US in 2013 and in 2022 for Ontario.
I really don't care who pays for the ads during a game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Rob on April 24, 2022, 11:53:33 AM
And really, as a reasonable human being, you are responsible for your choices.  There are many vices that someone could potentially get entangled in.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 24, 2022, 12:30:16 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on April 24, 2022, 11:44:51 AM
All about the sponsor/ad money and let's not kid ourselves here, this isn't new even if the advertising is. Online gambling has been around since the 90's. I've got many friends that have bet online for years. It became legal in the US in 2013 and in 2022 for Ontario.
I really don't care who pays for the ads during a game.
Sure. But the thing is, for me, I don't take issue with the ads themselves, the 30 second spots here and there, the ads on the boards, whatever. What's increasingly bugging me is how much and how insidiously the ad sponsors are making the content providers themselves in the media talk about the betting lines and odds, their various bets, etc. It used to be the clearly introduced as the one minute "Pro-Line Picks of the Day" or whatever by radio or TV guys, but now they're getting into long and, to me, clearly paid for (without any actual disclosures to that effect), discussions about their various bets and the odds of this and that. I want to listen to a hockey podcast and then that last 25% is some hockey journalist talking about betting lines with reference to specific gambling sites. The gambling companies are deliberately injecting gambling into the sports discourse in ways that go well beyond straightforward 30 second ads and logo on the boards.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 24, 2022, 01:27:22 PM
Betting is a huge part of all sports like it or not ..they are catering to the masses. TSN Radio has a daily show, Game Play that's pretty much based on betting. Mike Johnson has been talking odds for quite a while now. Welcome to the new world. I guess if people reject it over time they will change. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 24, 2022, 01:47:20 PM
The free market will surely do what's best for everyone who has fallen into addiction
(https://c.tenor.com/YV74UIYnMugAAAAC/mad-men-betty-draper.gif)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on April 24, 2022, 01:49:02 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on April 24, 2022, 01:27:22 PM
Betting is a huge part of all sports like it or not ..they are catering to the masses. TSN Radio has a daily show, Game Play that's pretty much based on betting. Mike Johnson has been talking odds for quite a while now. Welcome to the new world. I guess if people reject it over time they will change.

This is where the grey area comes into play.  If betting is addictive, akin to nicotine, then what is the obligation of society to step in and regulate it so that society doesn't have to pay a cost for it?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on April 24, 2022, 03:14:57 PM
Quote from: Rob on April 24, 2022, 11:53:33 AM
And really, as a reasonable human being, you are responsible for your choices.  There are many vices that someone could potentially get entangled in.

That's a really shortsighted viewpoint of it.  There are many vices people get stuck in.  Not all of them are shoved down peoples throats. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on April 24, 2022, 04:43:27 PM
Quote from: Rob on April 24, 2022, 11:53:33 AM
And really, as a reasonable human being, you are responsible for your choices.  There are many vices that someone could potentially get entangled in.

For the most part, things that are genuinely seen as vices are pretty tightly regulated. Remember, for instance, how much smoking advertising their used to be? Now there isn't. Same with how alchohol advertising is restricted.

And, largely, for the same reasons. It's easy enough to say "We're all adults and we're all responsible for our individual choices" but the truth is that sports broadcasting is still watched by a lot of people who aren't adults and are impressionable about these things.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 24, 2022, 05:53:06 PM
https://twitter.com/domluszczyszyn/status/1517188741126754306
Read this thread
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 24, 2022, 06:51:01 PM
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1518295322358951936
Lucky metro division
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 25, 2022, 01:12:07 AM
https://twitter.com/sanjosesharks/status/1518455066348310528
https://twitter.com/moneypuckdotcom/status/1518454133489123328
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on April 25, 2022, 11:51:10 AM
So Uhhhh Tampa woke up it seems. This is unsettling.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on April 25, 2022, 12:32:17 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on April 25, 2022, 11:51:10 AM
So Uhhhh Tampa woke up it seems. This is unsettling.

Meh, the Leafs couldn't beat the worst playoff team in 30 years after going up 3 games to 1, and lost the season prior to a crappy Columbus team.  It doesn't really matter who the opponent is, but just imagine how sweet it will be to say we knocked off the 2 time defending champ who was suddenly hot?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on April 25, 2022, 12:47:55 PM
Quote from: Zee on April 25, 2022, 12:32:17 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on April 25, 2022, 11:51:10 AM
So Uhhhh Tampa woke up it seems. This is unsettling.

Meh, the Leafs couldn't beat the worst playoff team in 30 years after going up 3 games to 1, and lost the season prior to a crappy Columbus team.  It doesn't really matter who the opponent is, but just imagine how sweet it will be to say we knocked off the 2 time defending champ who was suddenly hot?

It kind of annoys me that the Leafs get singled out for this but Winnipeg and Vegas don't.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on April 25, 2022, 02:55:37 PM
I mentioned it in my debrief of the leafs playoffs failures over the years. Every team that lost to Montreal should be equally embarrassed.

But you know, bashing non Leafs teams isn't as much fun for hockey "fans".
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on April 25, 2022, 03:38:51 PM
Quote from: Bender on April 25, 2022, 12:47:55 PM
Quote from: Zee on April 25, 2022, 12:32:17 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on April 25, 2022, 11:51:10 AM
So Uhhhh Tampa woke up it seems. This is unsettling.

Meh, the Leafs couldn't beat the worst playoff team in 30 years after going up 3 games to 1, and lost the season prior to a crappy Columbus team.  It doesn't really matter who the opponent is, but just imagine how sweet it will be to say we knocked off the 2 time defending champ who was suddenly hot?

It kind of annoys me that the Leafs get singled out for this but Winnipeg and Vegas don't.

Probably cause Winnipeg and Vegas have actually won playoff rounds in the recent past including last season whereas the Leafs haven't since before I fathered 3 human beings
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 25, 2022, 04:36:48 PM
As someone who IIRC pretty strongly argued that Calgary should be rebuilding and that they're team wasn't going anywhere I gotta give them props to the season they're having. 1st in their division, 3rd in the West, 6th in the league in points percentage. Also 3rd in the league in CF%, 1st in GF%, and 3rd in xGF%. Whatever the heck Darryl Sutter did over there, it sure did work.

BUT that's going to make for a very interesting offseason now. Gaudreau's 3rd in the league in scoring with 111 points currently. Tkachuk isn't too far behind him with 101 points. Johnny's an UFA while Tkachuk is still a RFA but is just 1 more season away from reaching UFA status. Lots of rumours in the past about both of them having their eyes on U.S. teams in their future. How much would it cost to get either of them to stay there long-term?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 25, 2022, 05:37:16 PM
https://twitter.com/emilymkaplan/status/1518703146046005253

Ok then...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on April 25, 2022, 06:34:19 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 25, 2022, 05:37:16 PM
https://twitter.com/emilymkaplan/status/1518703146046005253

Ok then...
Vegas is like that scummy boss that everyone hates and can't wait to get away from
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on April 25, 2022, 07:05:15 PM
Quote from: Zee on April 25, 2022, 03:38:51 PM
Quote from: Bender on April 25, 2022, 12:47:55 PM
Quote from: Zee on April 25, 2022, 12:32:17 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on April 25, 2022, 11:51:10 AM
So Uhhhh Tampa woke up it seems. This is unsettling.

Meh, the Leafs couldn't beat the worst playoff team in 30 years after going up 3 games to 1, and lost the season prior to a crappy Columbus team.  It doesn't really matter who the opponent is, but just imagine how sweet it will be to say we knocked off the 2 time defending champ who was suddenly hot?

It kind of annoys me that the Leafs get singled out for this but Winnipeg and Vegas don't.

Probably cause Winnipeg and Vegas have actually won playoff rounds in the recent past including last season whereas the Leafs haven't since before I fathered 3 human beings

Hey, me too!!!!  In fact one of my worst moments as a parent was last year after game 7 when I asked my oldest if it was possible if he was the reason that the Leafs aren't winning.  He was born in 2005 during the lockout.  The chance that it might be your kids is a load off.  Thanks man.   
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on April 25, 2022, 07:20:00 PM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on April 25, 2022, 07:05:15 PM
Quote from: Zee on April 25, 2022, 03:38:51 PM
Quote from: Bender on April 25, 2022, 12:47:55 PM
Quote from: Zee on April 25, 2022, 12:32:17 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on April 25, 2022, 11:51:10 AM
So Uhhhh Tampa woke up it seems. This is unsettling.

Meh, the Leafs couldn't beat the worst playoff team in 30 years after going up 3 games to 1, and lost the season prior to a crappy Columbus team.  It doesn't really matter who the opponent is, but just imagine how sweet it will be to say we knocked off the 2 time defending champ who was suddenly hot?

It kind of annoys me that the Leafs get singled out for this but Winnipeg and Vegas don't.

Probably cause Winnipeg and Vegas have actually won playoff rounds in the recent past including last season whereas the Leafs haven't since before I fathered 3 human beings

Hey, me too!!!!  In fact one of my worst moments as a parent was last year after game 7 when I asked my oldest if it was possible if he was the reason that the Leafs aren't winning.  He was born in 2005 during the lockout.  The chance that it might be your kids is a load off.  Thanks man.
My oldest was also born in 2005, it must be her.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on April 25, 2022, 07:56:06 PM
Quote from: Zee on April 25, 2022, 07:20:00 PM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on April 25, 2022, 07:05:15 PM
Quote from: Zee on April 25, 2022, 03:38:51 PM
Quote from: Bender on April 25, 2022, 12:47:55 PM
Quote from: Zee on April 25, 2022, 12:32:17 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on April 25, 2022, 11:51:10 AM
So Uhhhh Tampa woke up it seems. This is unsettling.

Meh, the Leafs couldn't beat the worst playoff team in 30 years after going up 3 games to 1, and lost the season prior to a crappy Columbus team.  It doesn't really matter who the opponent is, but just imagine how sweet it will be to say we knocked off the 2 time defending champ who was suddenly hot?

It kind of annoys me that the Leafs get singled out for this but Winnipeg and Vegas don't.

Probably cause Winnipeg and Vegas have actually won playoff rounds in the recent past including last season whereas the Leafs haven't since before I fathered 3 human beings

Hey, me too!!!!  In fact one of my worst moments as a parent was last year after game 7 when I asked my oldest if it was possible if he was the reason that the Leafs aren't winning.  He was born in 2005 during the lockout.  The chance that it might be your kids is a load off.  Thanks man.
My oldest was also born in 2005, it must be her.

Are you in the driving stage yet?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on April 26, 2022, 09:12:19 AM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on April 25, 2022, 07:56:06 PM
Quote from: Zee on April 25, 2022, 07:20:00 PM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on April 25, 2022, 07:05:15 PM
Quote from: Zee on April 25, 2022, 03:38:51 PM
Quote from: Bender on April 25, 2022, 12:47:55 PM
Quote from: Zee on April 25, 2022, 12:32:17 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on April 25, 2022, 11:51:10 AM
So Uhhhh Tampa woke up it seems. This is unsettling.

Meh, the Leafs couldn't beat the worst playoff team in 30 years after going up 3 games to 1, and lost the season prior to a crappy Columbus team.  It doesn't really matter who the opponent is, but just imagine how sweet it will be to say we knocked off the 2 time defending champ who was suddenly hot?

It kind of annoys me that the Leafs get singled out for this but Winnipeg and Vegas don't.

Probably cause Winnipeg and Vegas have actually won playoff rounds in the recent past including last season whereas the Leafs haven't since before I fathered 3 human beings

Hey, me too!!!!  In fact one of my worst moments as a parent was last year after game 7 when I asked my oldest if it was possible if he was the reason that the Leafs aren't winning.  He was born in 2005 during the lockout.  The chance that it might be your kids is a load off.  Thanks man.
My oldest was also born in 2005, it must be her.

Are you in the driving stage yet?

She has been dragging her ass on actually going for her license.  Her younger sister (turning 15 this year) is more keen on getting it than the oldest.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on April 26, 2022, 02:25:58 PM
Quote from: Zee on April 26, 2022, 09:12:19 AM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on April 25, 2022, 07:56:06 PM
Quote from: Zee on April 25, 2022, 07:20:00 PM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on April 25, 2022, 07:05:15 PM
Quote from: Zee on April 25, 2022, 03:38:51 PM
Quote from: Bender on April 25, 2022, 12:47:55 PM
Quote from: Zee on April 25, 2022, 12:32:17 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on April 25, 2022, 11:51:10 AM
So Uhhhh Tampa woke up it seems. This is unsettling.

Meh, the Leafs couldn't beat the worst playoff team in 30 years after going up 3 games to 1, and lost the season prior to a crappy Columbus team.  It doesn't really matter who the opponent is, but just imagine how sweet it will be to say we knocked off the 2 time defending champ who was suddenly hot?

It kind of annoys me that the Leafs get singled out for this but Winnipeg and Vegas don't.

Probably cause Winnipeg and Vegas have actually won playoff rounds in the recent past including last season whereas the Leafs haven't since before I fathered 3 human beings

Hey, me too!!!!  In fact one of my worst moments as a parent was last year after game 7 when I asked my oldest if it was possible if he was the reason that the Leafs aren't winning.  He was born in 2005 during the lockout.  The chance that it might be your kids is a load off.  Thanks man.
My oldest was also born in 2005, it must be her.

Are you in the driving stage yet?

She has been dragging her ass on actually going for her license.  Her younger sister (turning 15 this year) is more keen on getting it than the oldest.

My son got his in January.  I haven't slept soundly since.  I feel like I have unleashed something on the world.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 26, 2022, 03:28:14 PM
https://twitter.com/BenSGotz/status/1519004644445462528

Jesus christ
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on April 26, 2022, 03:53:14 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 26, 2022, 03:28:14 PM
https://twitter.com/BenSGotz/status/1519004644445462528

Jesus christ

(https://i.imgur.com/GAQETod.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 26, 2022, 03:56:03 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 26, 2022, 03:28:14 PM
https://twitter.com/BenSGotz/status/1519004644445462528

Jesus christ
It's cool having multiple reasons to want Vegas to lose.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 26, 2022, 04:01:17 PM
Oh, the release speaks for itself, alright.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 26, 2022, 04:12:12 PM
https://twitter.com/GoldenKnights/status/1519024632505929728
Sometimes, pull quotes convey something that probably isn't there when heard in context.

Sometimes, it's exactly what you thought.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on April 26, 2022, 05:37:19 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on April 26, 2022, 04:01:17 PM
Oh, the release speaks for itself, alright.

It's like, passive aggressive. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: louisstamos on April 26, 2022, 11:30:40 PM
And the Knights have been eliminated.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 26, 2022, 11:33:28 PM
Quote from: louisstamos on April 26, 2022, 11:30:40 PM
And the Knights have been eliminated.

Not quite yet, but this game brings them very close:

https://twitter.com/JesseGranger_/status/1519157508379537408
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 27, 2022, 01:18:27 AM
https://twitter.com/spokedz/status/1519141198140747776
Okay after I stopped chortling, I thought, well what could've set them off? Obviously refereeing, right?

I'll give you one guess who (https://scoutingtherefs.com/2022/04/33899/todays-nhl-referees-and-linesmen-4-26-22/) was patrolling the ice in Minnesota :)

This was the result of a challenged Arizona PP go-ahead (game winning) goal (on an offside) that was held up as good.
https://twitter.com/spokedz/status/1519139893628256257
That's Phil taking the pass on entry.

https://twitter.com/arizonacoyotes/status/1519140786750693376
Travis Boyd with the evergreen SH% bender
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 27, 2022, 09:07:38 AM
Quote from: louisstamos on April 26, 2022, 11:30:40 PM
And the Knights have been eliminated.

All but officially, really.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 27, 2022, 10:55:15 AM
https://twitter.com/lukefoxjukebox/status/1519327746689798145

*sigh*
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 27, 2022, 11:01:55 AM
Minnesota and St. Louis being locked into a playoff match-up with each other is also pretty funny. Since the trade deadline they're #1 and #2 in points with a combined record of 30-5-5.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bill_Berg_is_sad on April 27, 2022, 11:03:02 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 27, 2022, 10:55:15 AM
https://twitter.com/lukefoxjukebox/status/1519327746689798145

*sigh*

lol. The only team these matchups suck more for is the team we're playing.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 27, 2022, 11:07:09 AM
Quote from: Bill_Berg_is_sad on April 27, 2022, 11:03:02 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 27, 2022, 10:55:15 AM
https://twitter.com/lukefoxjukebox/status/1519327746689798145

*sigh*

lol. The only team these matchups suck more for is the team we're playing.
Meanwhile Boston gets to play a Carolina team that has injuries to both its starting goalie and backup.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bill_Berg_is_sad on April 27, 2022, 11:10:56 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 27, 2022, 11:07:09 AM
Quote from: Bill_Berg_is_sad on April 27, 2022, 11:03:02 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 27, 2022, 10:55:15 AM
https://twitter.com/lukefoxjukebox/status/1519327746689798145

*sigh*

lol. The only team these matchups suck more for is the team we're playing.
Meanwhile Boston gets to play a Carolina team that has injuries to both its starting goalie and backup.

That kind of stuff is unpredictable and the NHL can't and shouldn't do anything about it. But they can improve the seeding format to prevent a 12 vs 14 match-up and a 4 vs 7 in the first round.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 27, 2022, 11:15:18 AM
Viewership drops significantly after round 1 (obviously half the fanbases are tapping out), so I don't think the NHL minds marquee (less rewarding) matchups off the hop. Fanbases (and rivalries) grow out of playoff serieseseses, so why not keep a system that lets the occasional moribund franchise with horeshoe butt goaltending feed the coffers for the next 3 years after an undeserved Cinderella run? Actually good teams will still have fans even after multiple first round exits.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Bill_Berg_is_sad on April 27, 2022, 11:46:16 AM
Quote from: herman on April 27, 2022, 11:15:18 AM
Viewership drops significantly after round 1 (obviously half the fanbases are tapping out), so I don't think the NHL minds marquee (less rewarding) matchups off the hop. Fanbases (and rivalries) grow out of playoff serieseseses, so why not keep a system that lets the occasional moribund franchise with horeshoe butt goaltending feed the coffers for the next 3 years after an undeserved Cinderella run? Actually good teams will still have fans even after multiple first round exits.

Not that the NHL will care, but these are the sorts of reasons I refuse to spend any money on the NHL. When the 2012 lockout started, I said I wasn't going to spend a nickel on the NHL for 8 years. Then 8 years hit and I just kept it going. The next time I spend money on anything NHL related will be when I buy the jersey of the guy that scores the Cup-winning goal for the Leafs.

I still have Leaf stuff everywhere though because it's an easy Christmas gift.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Highlander on April 27, 2022, 12:01:06 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 27, 2022, 11:07:09 AM
Quote from: Bill_Berg_is_sad on April 27, 2022, 11:03:02 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 27, 2022, 10:55:15 AM
https://twitter.com/lukefoxjukebox/status/1519327746689798145

*sigh*

lol. The only team these matchups suck more for is the team we're playing.
Meanwhile Boston gets to play a Carolina team that has injuries to both its starting goalie and backup.
They should have kept Mrazek!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 27, 2022, 12:26:35 PM
https://twitter.com/AdamZHerman/status/1519349494671945730

I get that these NHLPA player polls are mostly useless and rely heavily on reputation (hello, Price) but the should-be-undisputed Vezina winner and possible Hart trophy nominee not being anywhere here sure is something.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on April 27, 2022, 12:45:24 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 27, 2022, 12:26:35 PM
https://twitter.com/AdamZHerman/status/1519349494671945730

I get that these NHLPA player polls are mostly useless and rely heavily on reputation (hello, Price) but the should-be-undisputed Vezina winner and possible Hart trophy nominee not being anywhere here sure is something.

I feel like that poll was done about 3 years ago.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on April 27, 2022, 12:48:57 PM
Quote from: Frank E on April 27, 2022, 12:45:24 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 27, 2022, 12:26:35 PM
https://twitter.com/AdamZHerman/status/1519349494671945730

I get that these NHLPA player polls are mostly useless and rely heavily on reputation (hello, Price) but the should-be-undisputed Vezina winner and possible Hart trophy nominee not being anywhere here sure is something.

I feel like that poll was done about 3 years ago.

I'm also wondering:  If you have to win 2 games, or a whole series, do you choose a different goaltender from the one you choose to win one game?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 27, 2022, 01:15:44 PM
Quote from: Frank E on April 27, 2022, 12:45:24 PM
I feel like that poll was done about 3 years ago.

It'd sure explain John Gibson's spot. His inclusion is probably the strangest to me. Like Price will always have the respect of his peers with his Vezina+Hart+Gold medals. Quick has his Cup+Conn Smyth and at least rebounded this season a little bit after some bad years. Gibson hasn't really accomplished anything major in his career and hasn't had a great season since 17/18 and hasn't had a good season since 18/19. His save percentage since then is .904 in 141 games. Sure, the Ducks haven't been anything special during that time but his back-up this season has considerably better stats than he does.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on April 27, 2022, 01:46:51 PM

I suppose there's a chance that NHL players spend less time looking at the stats of other NHL players than we think they do.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 27, 2022, 02:10:55 PM
Quote from: Nik on April 27, 2022, 01:46:51 PM
I suppose there's a chance that NHL players spend less time looking at the stats of other NHL players than we think they do.

Chris Pronger might fire up a thread about this, but this is what I'd guess as well.

Busy enough to know your own stuff, and your team's stuff, and whatever special teams particular stuff, on top of travelling, meals, and paying all your income taxes and servants (sob). You'd be getting canned scouting reports from the coaching/ops staff about what upcoming teams/players have done in the past 5 games and key in on exploitable weaknesses or strengths to watch out for. Anything else about how other teams and players are doing is coming from whatever highlights they feel like watching or get social media'd (McDavid shredding Rielly that time probably got some good looks) and unlikely to be season-length aggregates.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 27, 2022, 03:28:26 PM
https://twitter.com/soIoucity/status/1519133117763792897
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 27, 2022, 03:35:20 PM
Quote from: Nik on April 27, 2022, 01:46:51 PM
I suppose there's a chance that NHL players spend less time looking at the stats of other NHL players than we think they do.

Also, maybe they don't take these polls particularly seriously and don't really spend much time thinking about their answers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 27, 2022, 03:48:01 PM
I personally don't think any Leafs fan should complain about a tough matchup in round one.  We had a Royal Road To The Finals Paved In Solid Gold With Tinsel And Unicorns All Along The Way last year and instead decided to take a left turn into the ditch.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on April 27, 2022, 04:51:22 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 27, 2022, 03:48:01 PM
I personally don't think any Leafs fan should complain about a tough matchup in round one.  We had a Royal Road To The Finals Paved In Solid Gold With Tinsel And Unicorns All Along The Way last year and instead decided to take a left turn into the ditch.

This is fair
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on April 27, 2022, 05:44:19 PM
Can Hari Sateri stonewall Dallas tonight to help Vegas inch closer to a playoff spot!?  Let's see how that works out for them!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on April 27, 2022, 05:46:00 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 27, 2022, 03:48:01 PM
I personally don't think any Leafs fan should complain about a tough matchup in round one.  We had a Royal Road To The Finals Paved In Solid Gold With Tinsel And Unicorns All Along The Way last year and instead decided to take a left turn into the ditch.
This would be just like the Leafs, blow the easy path to the finals in one year only to beat Tampa, Florida, Carolina and Colorado to win the Cup this year
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: lamajama on April 27, 2022, 07:00:57 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 27, 2022, 03:48:01 PM
I personally don't think any Leafs fan should complain about a tough matchup in round one.  We had a Royal Road To The Finals Paved In Solid Gold With Tinsel And Unicorns All Along The Way last year and instead decided to take a left turn into the ditch.

Thanks ZBBM for the true laugh out loud.... ;D
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 27, 2022, 11:27:35 PM
Lol Vegas

But I do feel bad for their backup goalie who was thrust into the high stakes spotlight and had to shoulder an immense load of expectations created by rather foolish mismanagement.

https://twitter.com/puckreportnhl/status/1519515774322368517
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 27, 2022, 11:34:03 PM
https://twitter.com/JomboyMedia/status/1519396596521316352
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 27, 2022, 11:51:13 PM
Arizona's win also solidified Montreal's hold on dead last in the league.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik on April 28, 2022, 12:29:09 AM
Quote from: herman on April 27, 2022, 11:27:35 PM
Lol Vegas

But I do feel bad for their backup goalie who was thrust into the high stakes spotlight and had to shoulder an immense load of expectations created by rather foolish mismanagement.

https://twitter.com/puckreportnhl/status/1519515774322368517

In local parlance, I believe that's what's known as "crapping out".
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 28, 2022, 10:22:25 AM
Quote from: herman on April 27, 2022, 11:51:13 PM
Arizona's win also solidified Montreal's hold on dead last in the league.

Giving them the honour of being the first NHL team to finish 32nd overall.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2022, 10:27:15 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on April 28, 2022, 10:22:25 AM
Quote from: herman on April 27, 2022, 11:51:13 PM
Arizona's win also solidified Montreal's hold on dead last in the league.

Giving them the honour of being the first NHL team to finish 32nd overall.

Everyone find your nearest Habs fan and shove that down their throats!!!!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on April 28, 2022, 10:54:35 AM
Are they also the only team to make it to the cup finals and then finish dead last the next year? Has that happened before? I don't feel like going year but year to check
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 28, 2022, 11:25:17 AM
Quote from: Joe S. on April 28, 2022, 10:54:35 AM
Are they also the only team to make it to the cup finals and then finish dead last the next year? Has that happened before? I don't feel like going year but year to check

Carolina did it in 2003 after losing the Cup in 2002.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: Joe on April 28, 2022, 11:40:50 AM
Ahh dammit. Not as funny anymore.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 28, 2022, 11:54:26 AM
Of last season�