maplesyrup
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So, Lombardi refuses to give Doughty more that Kopitar's 6.8 mil. Why aren't there at least 15 other GMs outting out 6.9 mil. offer sheets? I know I would.
The Doughty situation
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bustaheims
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If it came down to getting a handful of draft picks or losing Doughty, Lombardi would compromise and match. Any serious attempt to pry Doughty away via offer sheet would have to be in the $8M+ range, which makes it a tough fit under the cap for most teams that can afford that contract. It also means sacrificing four 1st round picks, which means you really need to feel your team is essentially a Doughty away from being a legit contender, and, well, the teams with cap space aren't and need the cheap talent from those picks to be competitive - basically, making the acquisition of Doughty a waste as he's unlikely to have enough of an impact on the team's progress without more talent coming in up front.
On top of that, to get Doughty to sign the offer sheet, you'd have to be a team he'd want to play for, and, my guess is he's not interested in the teams with the cap space to make such a move for him.
On top of that, to get Doughty to sign the offer sheet, you'd have to be a team he'd want to play for, and, my guess is he's not interested in the teams with the cap space to make such a move for him.
maplesyrup
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Busta Reims said:
I'd bury Lupul in the minors if need be to make room and trade Gunnarson for a pick too if need be. That would open enough space. I like Lupul but I think you're not losing all that much with Lombardi/Kadri/Frattin. This would give the Leafs by far the best "D" in the league plus what appears to be legit goaltending - Finally. Combine that with a serviceable forward group and I think that makes a top 5 team in the East.
Kin
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Busta Reims said:
While I agree that any offer sheet is almost certain to be matched I think you may be underestimating the draw money can have in a situation like this. Assuming offersheets can be front loaded a big money offer to Doughty could be very persuasive. Especially if it were from a team that offered other benefits like good living conditions or whatever.
If you're right though the only two teams I see that might work under your criteria are the Ducks and the Red Wings and I don't think the Ducks want to spend that much money and that would be about the least Ken Holland-y move I could think of.
bustaheims
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Saint Nik said:
That's the thing - the teams that have the cap space, the appeal, the available picks, the financial ability and prospect/roster depth to make this kind of move just don't exist. There's a pretty good reason that Doughty hasn't been presented with an offer sheet he'd be willing to sign - and that's ignoring the fact that he just might want to stay with the Kings - and that's that there just aren't any real good matches.
Sudafederov
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Watch the Flyers blow up their team for the second time in less than a year to get Doughty.
dappleganger
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Leafs should go trade route, Kadri And Schenn. Where have I heard this before?
maplesyrup
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Kadri, Gardiner and 2 firsts...
* runs away *
* runs back *
Close?
* runs away *
* runs back *
Close?
Kin
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Busta Reims said:
The only point I was making was that money may be enough to take care of any interests on Doughty's part. I'm with you in the sense that I don't know if there's a team out there that would offer that money but if someone like Wang or whoever buys the Stars went crazy and offered Doughty an 8 year/64 million dollar contract that's heavily front loaded that Doughty may very well accept.
maplesyrup
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Saint Nik said:
In retrospect, I suppose that's accurate. Any deal that doesn't probably just makes us a worse team anyway... We're not in the right spot to be making these kind of deals right now. :-\
Kin
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Tigger said:
It's tough to imagine that if Doughty were made available to the league that the best they'd do is Kessel, Schenn and a terrible contract.
And, as a side, note this is probably the most depressing thing about the Leafs right now. The team's not very good, hasn't been for a while and still probably doesn't have the assets to make a trade like that.
Saint Nik said:
We're also talking about somebody who might just be the most valuable defenceman in the league. But you're right. If you ranked each teams top-3 players or most valuable trading chips, the Leafs would probably rank in the bottom-10.
maplesyrup
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CarltonTheBear said:
Having not a single (Z.E.R.O) "franchise" type asset (current player or prospect) certainly stings. I'm only guessing but I'm thinking 20 of 30 teams have at least one?
Saint Nik said:
In general I agree but as has been noted there aren't too many teams in the position of bidding for a variety of reasons. The Leafs have other players/situations and the list of suitors would be short. Still almost zero chance and I'm not holding my breath, fwiw.
Doughty seems like a right side D so that alone makes it improbable in any Leaf context, the rest only more so. If he hits both ways then even worse, capwise.
LA would be stupid not to figure this out, kids a gem but to me he isn't in $Weber territory. Best guess 2 years 13m gets it done.
maplesyrup
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I think he's worth Weber/Stamkos $ but that's just me....
Floyd said:
That's probably fair, although of course it's tough to define a franchise player. But if we're just pitting our best player against another teams best player, I think we only have about half a dozen teams beat.