Series 36:Yankees at Jays

[Kin]

Exactly.

Small sample sizes are inconclusive, not evidence of the opposite. I understand that whatever the numbers say will be entirely ignored based on your whims at the moment but that doesn't in and of itself make for an argument.

Did you watch the at bat? Revere looked like a t-ball hitter. His swing was absolutely embarassing.

Ah. So 3 for 6 is too small a sample size to take any significant meaning but because Revere looked bad in this one at-bat, it's conclusive proof that it was a bad matchup.

You're in fine form.

And you're also spouting a batting average statistic. Nik, say it aint so!

Batting average is a lousy metric for a player's overall worth, which is where it's usually misused. But it does accurately measure how often a player gets a hit which, given the fact that he came up with first and second and the team down a run, is a valuable skill.

Again, Revere hits lefties well, is fast and had a good track record against Miller. Given as, per usual, you have nothing but your say so, you'll forgive me if I'll side with reason, logic and numbers.

 

[dappleganger]

Watching the game I was surprised when Price came out for the 8th. We have the horses in the pen, use them. I was expecting my man LaTroy to come out for the 8th. Sanchez probably could have used a day of rest but oh well. Second outing in a row he's allowed inherited runners to score. Let's see how he progresses.

Revere batting wasn't an issue. I wish we still had Valencia though.

 

[Andy007]

Exactly.

Small sample sizes are inconclusive, not evidence of the opposite. I understand that whatever the numbers say will be entirely ignored based on your whims at the moment but that doesn't in and of itself make for an argument.

Did you watch the at bat? Revere looked like a t-ball hitter. His swing was absolutely embarassing.

Ah. So 3 for 6 is too small a sample size to take any significant meaning but because Revere looked bad in this one at-bat, it's conclusive proof that it was a bad matchup.

You're in fine form.

And you're also spouting a batting average statistic. Nik, say it aint so!

Batting average is a lousy metric for a player's overall worth, which is where it's usually misused. But it does accurately measure how often a player gets a hit which, given the fact that he came up with first and second and the team down a run, is a valuable skill.

Again, Revere hits lefties well, is fast and had a good track record against Miller. Given as, per usual, you have nothing but your say so, you'll forgive me if I'll side with reason, logic and numbers.

Insulting? Check. Arrogant? Check. Condescending? Check. Looks like you're in fine form as well, Chief.

Revere has a history of high average and hitting for singles. But despite this and his great speed, he doesn't get on base that well. And since coming to Toronto he's hitting about .190 and has been looking terrible at the plate. They had a righty who kills lefty pitching in Valencia who they let go for nothing. They don't even have a 4th outfielder. All of those factors together is what I found annoying.

 

[dappleganger]

Danny Valencia is 1-for-5 in his career against Andrew Miller.

Cecil probably should have pitched the 8th.

 

[TML fan]

Revere was 3 for 6 against Miller. It was a good matchup. For me the only puzzling decision was Sanchez over Hawkins. That situation is why you get veteran relievers.

Oh well. The bats couldn't get it done. Onto tomorrow.

Valencia was the perfect guy to hit at that situation. A proven hitter who absolutely smokes lefties. Revere has been brutal and was disgustingly overmatched.

But yea that Sanchez decision was confounding. Gibbons chooses the only guy tired and overworked in the pen. Unbelievable.

Miller made him look bad, but that's why Miller only has 1 blown save all year. He also got Tulowitzki by throwing the same pitch 8 times. Should Valencia have hit for him as well?

 

[TML fan]

Exactly.

Small sample sizes are inconclusive, not evidence of the opposite. I understand that whatever the numbers say will be entirely ignored based on your whims at the moment but that doesn't in and of itself make for an argument.

Did you watch the at bat? Revere looked like a t-ball hitter. His swing was absolutely embarassing.

Ah. So 3 for 6 is too small a sample size to take any significant meaning but because Revere looked bad in this one at-bat, it's conclusive proof that it was a bad matchup.

You're in fine form.

And you're also spouting a batting average statistic. Nik, say it aint so!

Batting average is a lousy metric for a player's overall worth, which is where it's usually misused. But it does accurately measure how often a player gets a hit which, given the fact that he came up with first and second and the team down a run, is a valuable skill.

Again, Revere hits lefties well, is fast and had a good track record against Miller. Given as, per usual, you have nothing but your say so, you'll forgive me if I'll side with reason, logic and numbers.

Insulting? Check. Arrogant? Check. Condescending? Check. Looks like you're in fine form as well, Chief.

Revere has a history of high average and hitting for singles. But despite this and his great speed, he doesn't get on base that well. And since coming to Toronto he's hitting about .190 and has been looking terrible at the plate. They had a righty who kills lefty pitching in Valencia who they let go for nothing. They don't even have a 4th outfielder. All of those factors together is what I found annoying.

Just because they stick Valencia in left field doesn't mean he's an outfielder. They put Colabello out there sometimes. Is he not their 4th outfielder?

They had other options to hit for Goins. They could have used Navarro and then had Colabello to hit for Revere, but why do that when Revere matched up well against Miller? Revere had at least as much going for him in that situation as Valencia would have, maybe more. He got beat by a good pitcher.

 

[Andy007]

Exactly.

Small sample sizes are inconclusive, not evidence of the opposite. I understand that whatever the numbers say will be entirely ignored based on your whims at the moment but that doesn't in and of itself make for an argument.

Did you watch the at bat? Revere looked like a t-ball hitter. His swing was absolutely embarassing.

Ah. So 3 for 6 is too small a sample size to take any significant meaning but because Revere looked bad in this one at-bat, it's conclusive proof that it was a bad matchup.

You're in fine form.

And you're also spouting a batting average statistic. Nik, say it aint so!

Batting average is a lousy metric for a player's overall worth, which is where it's usually misused. But it does accurately measure how often a player gets a hit which, given the fact that he came up with first and second and the team down a run, is a valuable skill.

Again, Revere hits lefties well, is fast and had a good track record against Miller. Given as, per usual, you have nothing but your say so, you'll forgive me if I'll side with reason, logic and numbers.

Insulting? Check. Arrogant? Check. Condescending? Check. Looks like you're in fine form as well, Chief.

Revere has a history of high average and hitting for singles. But despite this and his great speed, he doesn't get on base that well. And since coming to Toronto he's hitting about .190 and has been looking terrible at the plate. They had a righty who kills lefty pitching in Valencia who they let go for nothing. They don't even have a 4th outfielder. All of those factors together is what I found annoying.

Just because they stick Valencia in left field doesn't mean he's an outfielder. They put Colabello out there sometimes. Is he not their 4th outfielder?

They had other options to hit for Goins. They could have used Navarro and then had Colabello to hit for Revere, but why do that when Revere matched up well against Miller? Revere had at least as much going for him in that situation as Valencia would have, maybe more. He got beat by a good pitcher.

I guess I just can't get over how bad Revere has been and how awful he looks at the plate. And Valencia hits 30 avg points higher and about 200 OPS points higher than Revere vs. lefties.

The OF fielding situation is a problem though. Valencia is a giant upgrade over Pennington, which would leave them with an opening for a 4th OF on the bench instead of ridiculously going with 8 relievers. Valencia and Colabello are indeed not outfielders which is why I would never play them there.

 

[Andy007]

Revere was 3 for 6 against Miller. It was a good matchup. For me the only puzzling decision was Sanchez over Hawkins. That situation is why you get veteran relievers.

Oh well. The bats couldn't get it done. Onto tomorrow.

Valencia was the perfect guy to hit at that situation. A proven hitter who absolutely smokes lefties. Revere has been brutal and was disgustingly overmatched.

But yea that Sanchez decision was confounding. Gibbons chooses the only guy tired and overworked in the pen. Unbelievable.

Miller made him look bad, but that's why Miller only has 1 blown save all year. He also got Tulowitzki by throwing the same pitch 8 times. Should Valencia have hit for him as well?

Now you're comparing Revere to Troy Tulowitzki? Yikes.

 

[TML fan]

Revere was 3 for 6 against Miller. It was a good matchup. For me the only puzzling decision was Sanchez over Hawkins. That situation is why you get veteran relievers.

Oh well. The bats couldn't get it done. Onto tomorrow.

Valencia was the perfect guy to hit at that situation. A proven hitter who absolutely smokes lefties. Revere has been brutal and was disgustingly overmatched.

But yea that Sanchez decision was confounding. Gibbons chooses the only guy tired and overworked in the pen. Unbelievable.

Miller made him look bad, but that's why Miller only has 1 blown save all year. He also got Tulowitzki by throwing the same pitch 8 times. Should Valencia have hit for him as well?

Now you're comparing Revere to Troy Tulowitzki? Yikes.

No. YOU'RE doing that. I'm saying Miller is a good pitcher.

 

[TML fan]

Exactly.

Small sample sizes are inconclusive, not evidence of the opposite. I understand that whatever the numbers say will be entirely ignored based on your whims at the moment but that doesn't in and of itself make for an argument.

Did you watch the at bat? Revere looked like a t-ball hitter. His swing was absolutely embarassing.

Ah. So 3 for 6 is too small a sample size to take any significant meaning but because Revere looked bad in this one at-bat, it's conclusive proof that it was a bad matchup.

You're in fine form.

And you're also spouting a batting average statistic. Nik, say it aint so!

Batting average is a lousy metric for a player's overall worth, which is where it's usually misused. But it does accurately measure how often a player gets a hit which, given the fact that he came up with first and second and the team down a run, is a valuable skill.

Again, Revere hits lefties well, is fast and had a good track record against Miller. Given as, per usual, you have nothing but your say so, you'll forgive me if I'll side with reason, logic and numbers.

Insulting? Check. Arrogant? Check. Condescending? Check. Looks like you're in fine form as well, Chief.

Revere has a history of high average and hitting for singles. But despite this and his great speed, he doesn't get on base that well. And since coming to Toronto he's hitting about .190 and has been looking terrible at the plate. They had a righty who kills lefty pitching in Valencia who they let go for nothing. They don't even have a 4th outfielder. All of those factors together is what I found annoying.

Just because they stick Valencia in left field doesn't mean he's an outfielder. They put Colabello out there sometimes. Is he not their 4th outfielder?

They had other options to hit for Goins. They could have used Navarro and then had Colabello to hit for Revere, but why do that when Revere matched up well against Miller? Revere had at least as much going for him in that situation as Valencia would have, maybe more. He got beat by a good pitcher.

I guess I just can't get over how bad Revere has been and how awful he looks at the plate. And Valencia hits 30 avg points higher and about 200 OPS points higher than Revere vs. lefties.

The OF fielding situation is a problem though. Valencia is a giant upgrade over Pennington, which would leave them with an opening for a 4th OF on the bench instead of ridiculously going with 8 relievers. Valencia and Colabello are indeed not outfielders which is why I would never play them there.

But Valencia can't play every day and Revere can. And Pennington isn't there to replace Valencia. He's there to provide a right handed bat option at 2nd base until Travis gets back, while providing comparable defence to Kawasaki.

Keeping around a guy who can't play an open position every day, who only crushes lefties in a righty dominant lineup is at least as dumb as carrying 8 relievers.

 

[Andy007]

Exactly.

Small sample sizes are inconclusive, not evidence of the opposite. I understand that whatever the numbers say will be entirely ignored based on your whims at the moment but that doesn't in and of itself make for an argument.

Did you watch the at bat? Revere looked like a t-ball hitter. His swing was absolutely embarassing.

Ah. So 3 for 6 is too small a sample size to take any significant meaning but because Revere looked bad in this one at-bat, it's conclusive proof that it was a bad matchup.

You're in fine form.

And you're also spouting a batting average statistic. Nik, say it aint so!

Batting average is a lousy metric for a player's overall worth, which is where it's usually misused. But it does accurately measure how often a player gets a hit which, given the fact that he came up with first and second and the team down a run, is a valuable skill.

Again, Revere hits lefties well, is fast and had a good track record against Miller. Given as, per usual, you have nothing but your say so, you'll forgive me if I'll side with reason, logic and numbers.

Insulting? Check. Arrogant? Check. Condescending? Check. Looks like you're in fine form as well, Chief.

Revere has a history of high average and hitting for singles. But despite this and his great speed, he doesn't get on base that well. And since coming to Toronto he's hitting about .190 and has been looking terrible at the plate. They had a righty who kills lefty pitching in Valencia who they let go for nothing. They don't even have a 4th outfielder. All of those factors together is what I found annoying.

Just because they stick Valencia in left field doesn't mean he's an outfielder. They put Colabello out there sometimes. Is he not their 4th outfielder?

They had other options to hit for Goins. They could have used Navarro and then had Colabello to hit for Revere, but why do that when Revere matched up well against Miller? Revere had at least as much going for him in that situation as Valencia would have, maybe more. He got beat by a good pitcher.

I guess I just can't get over how bad Revere has been and how awful he looks at the plate. And Valencia hits 30 avg points higher and about 200 OPS points higher than Revere vs. lefties.

The OF fielding situation is a problem though. Valencia is a giant upgrade over Pennington, which would leave them with an opening for a 4th OF on the bench instead of ridiculously going with 8 relievers. Valencia and Colabello are indeed not outfielders which is why I would never play them there.

But Valencia can't play every day and Revere can. And Pennington isn't there to replace Valencia. He's there to provide a right handed bat option at 2nd base until Travis gets back, while providing comparable defence to Kawasaki.

Keeping around a guy who doesn't play an open position, who only crushes lefties in a righty dominant lineup is at least as dumb as carrying 8 relievers.

Valencia plays 2B and 3B. He's a major upgrade over Pennington. You can't argue for Pennington on the bench but not Valencia.

 

[TML fan]

Valencia has 9 career appearances at 2B. He's as much a 2B as Russell Martin.

 

[Andy007]

Valencia has 9 career appearances at 2B. He's as much a 2B as Russell Martin.

Sorry, you're right. For some reason I thought he played 2b as regularly as 3rd.

Oh well, if he was able to play 2nd and the Jays had a 4th OF I totally would use him in that matchup over Revere

 

[dappleganger]

The reason Valencia is gone is because of defence. Danny's only real position is occupied by an MVP candidate. If he could have played and adequate LF or 2B he'd probably still be here.

The Jays essentially chose to go with switch-hitting Pennington and Revere over Valencia and Carrera because they felt they had enough offence but wanted to shore up the porous defence in left field and have a better option in the infield than Kawasaki.

 

[L K]

Big at bat.  Bases loaded and nobody out for Donaldson in the 5th.  Yankees still up 1-0.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

Big at bat.  Bases loaded and nobody out for Donaldson in the 5th.  Yankees still up 1-0.

Sac fly.  1-1.  That'll do.

 

[L K]

Damn. Only get 1 run and then Texiera hits a homerun in the 6th.

2-1 Yankees.

 

[dappleganger]

Gibby making the right decision to bring in Lowe. Another solid performance from Estrada.

 

[dappleganger]

Maybe start pitching around Beltran?

 

[L K]

Loup comes in and gives up another run.