Jays Roster Discussion

[Nik]

For a little statistical context it looks like the Astros pitchers in Houston tend to be about a full K/9 better at home than they are on the road. I don't know how that compares around the league. The Jays are only .2 higher this year at home and only .1 higher last year. 

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

As usual you guys completely ignore my post when I am not only completely right but the rest of you are out to lunch. I guess this is a hockey board after all.

 

[Nik]

As usual you guys completely ignore my post when I am not only completely right but the rest of you are out to lunch. I guess this is a hockey board after all.

Yes, it certainly is a mystery why people wouldn't want to engage.

 

[Bill_Berg]

I'm happy Sanchez is going to stay in the rotation, but I don't know about a 6-man rotation. I guess it helps save Sanchez's arm and maybe Estrada's back, and I suppose if Liriano doesn't suck...

 

[Nik]

I'm happy Sanchez is going to stay in the rotation, but I don't know about a 6-man rotation. I guess it helps save Sanchez's arm and maybe Estrada's back, and I suppose if Liriano doesn't suck...

Yeah, I think the issue you usually have with a 6 man rotation is that not only are you taking innings from your five best starters and giving a bunch of innings to whoever is the 6th best starter on your staff but you're disrupting everyone's rest schedule for the purpose of doing so(with the caveat that the "purpose" here is clearly to compromise between leaving Sanchez in the rotation vs. sending him to the pen)

Regardless of how you feel about the sort of precautionary measures that are driving the move to put Sanchez in the bullpen, that seems like an awful lot of disruption in its service.

 

[Joe S.]

Apparently liriano is OK going to the bullpen if that's what's needed. I guess he just wants a job.

 

[Captain Canuck]

Happy to hear that management has at least budged on the Sanchez workload issue. It sounds like the 6 man rotation idea buys Sanchez another month in the rotation. This is great news for the Jays with the season he is having. Give him another month and then re-evaluate at the start of September on how Sanchez feels physically. Rosters will then expand and more options will be available should they need them. Seems like a smart, sensible approach to the situation.

 

[bustaheims]

Regardless of how you feel about the sort of precautionary measures that are driving the move to put Sanchez in the bullpen, that seems like an awful lot of disruption in its service.

It's not ideal, that's for sure, but the Jays also have 6 off days the rest of the way, so they'll have opportunities to skip the 6th guy basically every 2nd time through the rotation.

 

[Nik]

It's not ideal, that's for sure, but the Jays also have 6 off days the rest of the way, so they'll have opportunities to skip the 6th guy basically every 2nd time through the rotation.

Sure but in that case how many innings are you really saving for Sanchez in that case? I probably lean towards just leaving the rotation as is(although I'm not gung-ho on it either way) but I feel like either you have a good medical reason for effectively shutting him down or you don't.

 

[sickbeast]

As usual you guys completely ignore my post when I am not only completely right but the rest of you are out to lunch. I guess this is a hockey board after all.

Hey man you can run the damn boards as far as I am concerned. That was the funniest thing I have seen all day.

 

[Joe S.]

Happ leads the AL in wins and 6th in the AL in era

 

[dappleganger]

Happ leads the AL in wins and 6th in the AL in era

And Happ has probably been the 3rd best pitcher on the staff so far this year.

 

[Andy07]

As usual you guys completely ignore my post when I am not only completely right but the rest of you are out to lunch. I guess this is a hockey board after all.

I don't get it, did anybody disagree with or belittle your suggestion? You're just mad because nobody immediately responded? Wow.

And yes, this literally is a hockey board, what did you think TML stood for??

 

[hockeyfan1]

Holy cow, Atkins is on his way to Houston to discuss the Sanchez situation with the Blue Jays coaching staff and Sanchez himself!  I hope they can sort this out in a way that it doesn't negatively affect the clubhouse.  I personally don't understand why they don't go to a 6 man rotation and then put Sanchez into the bullpen once the playoffs start.  What if the Jays are in the wild card game?  Don't you want Sanchez starting that game?

The six man rotation it will be:  Stroman, Dixkey, Estrada, Happ, Liriano, Sanchez.

Atkins had this to say on the situation.

"What I think is the most likely scenario is that he stays in the rotation for some time to come," Atkins told reporters in Houston prior to Toronto's series finale with the Astros.

"I think what changed for us, a couple of things: input from more people, one of those people being Francisco Liriano, who was open to anything and everything," Atkins said. "That opened things up for us to think about things differently. And then talking to Aaron about it and how strongly he felt about staying in the rotation, that fortunately we're in a situation where we're able to do it."

"I think what we're going to do is really try to work with Aaron to give this team the best chance to win," Atkins said. "We do have thresholds that would be uncomfortable. There's not a scenario where he pitches 220, 230 innings.

"He's going to go into a territory that's uncomfortable and uncommon and he's comfortable with that. We've worked together on what that range or territory should be but there's so many variables that will contribute to what's best for him and this team."


http://www.cbc.ca/sports/baseball/mlb/aaron-sanchez-staying-rotation-6-starters-1.3708113

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

As usual you guys completely ignore my post when I am not only completely right but the rest of you are out to lunch. I guess this is a hockey board after all.

Hey man you can run the damn boards as far as I am concerned. That was the funniest thing I have seen all day.

Just trying to lighten the mood. 

 

[rjd]

Holy cow, Atkins is on his way to Houston to discuss the Sanchez situation with the Blue Jays coaching staff and Sanchez himself!  I hope they can sort this out in a way that it doesn't negatively affect the clubhouse.  I personally don't understand why they don't go to a 6 man rotation and then put Sanchez into the bullpen once the playoffs start.  What if the Jays are in the wild card game?  Don't you want Sanchez starting that game?

The six man rotation it will be:  Stroman, Dixkey, Estrada, Happ, Liriano, Sanchez.

Atkins had this to say on the situation.

"What I think is the most likely scenario is that he stays in the rotation for some time to come," Atkins told reporters in Houston prior to Toronto's series finale with the Astros.

"I think what changed for us, a couple of things: input from more people, one of those people being Francisco Liriano, who was open to anything and everything," Atkins said. "That opened things up for us to think about things differently. And then talking to Aaron about it and how strongly he felt about staying in the rotation, that fortunately we're in a situation where we're able to do it."

"I think what we're going to do is really try to work with Aaron to give this team the best chance to win," Atkins said. "We do have thresholds that would be uncomfortable. There's not a scenario where he pitches 220, 230 innings.

"He's going to go into a territory that's uncomfortable and uncommon and he's comfortable with that. We've worked together on what that range or territory should be but there's so many variables that will contribute to what's best for him and this team."


http://www.cbc.ca/sports/baseball/mlb/aaron-sanchez-staying-rotation-6-starters-1.3708113

Well at least Sanchez is comfortable with the uncomfortable.

 

[sickbeast]

As usual you guys completely ignore my post when I am not only completely right but the rest of you are out to lunch. I guess this is a hockey board after all.

I don't get it, did anybody disagree with or belittle your suggestion? You're just mad because nobody immediately responded? Wow.

And yes, this literally is a hockey board, what did you think TML stood for??

I'm just frustrated.  There are several of the know-it-all types on here.  They constantly talk down everyone else and they carry on with this huge air of arrogance.  Their opinions are no more valid than anyone else's.  This place has never been very welcoming and the same people have been ruining the boards for years.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

As usual you guys completely ignore my post when I am not only completely right but the rest of you are out to lunch. I guess this is a hockey board after all.

I don't get it, did anybody disagree with or belittle your suggestion? You're just mad because nobody immediately responded? Wow.

And yes, this literally is a hockey board, what did you think TML stood for??

I'm just frustrated. There are several of the know-it-all types on here.  They constantly talk down everyone else and they carry on with this huge air of arrogance.  Their opinions are no more valid than anyone else's.  This place has never been very welcoming and the same people have been ruining the boards for years.

In your first post in question you state that you are completely right and the rest of the posters are "out to lunch" while in this most recent post you are lamenting/complaining that the board contains several "know-it-all types" who talk down/carry a huge air of arrogance.  How would saying you are completely right and everyone else is out to lunch not also be considered behaviour of someone thinking they "know-it-all" and talking down to other posters?

I think almost everyone here can be guilty of it from time to time, of coming off harshly, but it would seem hypocritical to complain about something that it could be argued you have done within this thread.

 

[sickbeast]

As usual you guys completely ignore my post when I am not only completely right but the rest of you are out to lunch. I guess this is a hockey board after all.

I don't get it, did anybody disagree with or belittle your suggestion? You're just mad because nobody immediately responded? Wow.

And yes, this literally is a hockey board, what did you think TML stood for??

I'm just frustrated. There are several of the know-it-all types on here.  They constantly talk down everyone else and they carry on with this huge air of arrogance.  Their opinions are no more valid than anyone else's.  This place has never been very welcoming and the same people have been ruining the boards for years.

In your first post in question you state that you are completely right and the rest of the posters are "out to lunch" while in this most recent post you are lamenting/complaining that the board contains several "know-it-all types" who talk down/carry a huge air of arrogance.  How would saying you are completely right and everyone else is out to lunch not also be considered behaviour of someone thinking they "know-it-all" and talking down to other posters?

I think almost everyone here can be guilty of it from time to time, of coming off harshly, but it would seem hypocritical to complain about something that it could be argued you have done within this thread.

I'm only posting like that in response to all the arrogant nonsense on here. This forum breeds a culture of it. I said it to make a point.

 

[herman]

Greetings, friends. I, for one, do not feel that this forum is arrogant. I appreciate the nearly scholarly effort some people put into helping people like me understand the game of hockey (and the world at large).

And now, kindling for what is turning into a semi-annual flame out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

More on topic: 6-man rotation = more rest for Estrada (or whoever else might need it)? I don't know. They can do whatever they want. I'm still bemoaning the missed opportunity to have a rotation of Syndergaard, Sanchez, Stroman.