Dubois to WPG for Laine and Roslovic

[herman]

They both waited too long, asset value-wise given they knew the players were angling to leave.

I think Philly revisits a Laine trade in the off-season but this time with Columbus, and Montreal starts pitching Dubois for defensemen

 

[Britishbulldog]

They both waited too long, asset value-wise given they knew the players were angling to leave.

I think Philly revisits a Laine trade in the off-season but this time with Columbus, and Montreal starts pitching Dubois for defensemen

I was wondering if either team would flip the players but I don't think they would unless forced.  Winnipeg has been reported to be looking for a solid #2 center for a while and just got a perfect 22 year old one.  Laine has the chance to be a star player with an organization containing a couple of respected countrymen.

I mean anything could happen but I think it would be highly unlikely

 

[Guilt Trip]

They both waited too long, asset value-wise given they knew the players were angling to leave.

I think Philly revisits a Laine trade in the off-season but this time with Columbus, and Montreal starts pitching Dubois for defensemen

I was wondering if either team would flip the players but I don't think they would unless forced.  Winnipeg has been reported to be looking for a solid #2 center for a while and just got a perfect 22 year old one.  Laine has the chance to be a star player with an organization containing a couple of respected countrymen.

I mean anything could happen but I think it would be highly unlikely

I don't see Wpg flipping Dubois.

 

[bustaheims]

I don't see Wpg flipping Dubois.

Me neither. I suspect Dubois will do better in Winnipeg than Laine does in Columbus. It would not shock me to see Laine on the move again in the next couple seasons, but suspect Dubois is a Jet for the forceable future.

 

[azzurri63]

there both crybabies, f__kem

I agree. That?s a lot of athletes now have the owners by their balls. Sign contracts then not happy or not on a championship team they want out. NBA players are the worst.

 

[herman]

Yes people should have no control over whom they are employed to.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

https://twitter.com/TSNHockey/status/1353057218191478784

Ummm....

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I clicked that link and nothing loaded, and you know what, that's probably for the best.

 

[Nik]

I'm sure it's not what he meant but Dubois and Scheifele at 11 million definitely puts Winnipeg up there.

 

[wnc096]

there both crybabies, f__kem

I agree. That?s a lot of athletes now have the owners by their balls. Sign contracts then not happy or not on a championship team they want out. NBA players are the worst.

Don't that the narrative quite applies here...players with no arb rights have no option not to sign contracts. Its either sign with the team or don't play.

Roslovic took the latter, but Laine and Dubois had to sign for the sake of their careers and signed short term deals.  Doesn't mean they were happy, and they said as much

 

[Nik]

Seriously though. If any of you guys were negotiating a deal with Laine right now, what would you be comfortable offering him long term? And then, what do you suppose are the chances he'd take the deal you were offering?

 

[Bullfrog]

I'd think an offer of Jeff Skinner's contract would be made. I expect he'll want more.

 

[L K]

The Jets are even eating 26% of Laine?s salary this year.  What a stupid deal

 

[bustaheims]

I'd think an offer of Jeff Skinner's contract would be made. I expect he'll want more.

Yeah. Other than Skinner signing his contract as a UFA, he might be the best comparable - high scoring winger who doesn?t provide much else. Laine is a more prolific scorer - he can be counted on for 30+, where as Skinner is much less consistent year to year - and younger, so, he might actually live up to the contract. It would still be a big risk, and I don?t think I?d be confident giving him that big a contract for that many seasons.

 

[azzurri63]

The Jets are even eating 26% of Laine?s salary this year.  What a stupid deal

Ya I don't know what Cheveldayoff was thinking. I think it was an overpayment and to eat some of the salary to boot is crazy.

 

[Deebo]

The Jets are even eating 26% of Laine?s salary this year.  What a stupid deal

I think people automatically seeing rentaining as a "loss" is misguided. GMs  view it as a way to help make deals happen. I don't think this deal can be completed without retention. The actual dollar impact of eating salary on a 1 year deal isn't really a big deal and has no long term cap impact. Rentention removed the cap impact of swapping Laine and Dubois, 5M in and 5M out for both teams.

From Columbus' point of view, they couldn't fit Laine in at the full clip so retenion was necessary.

From Winnipeg's POV, they have to trade Laine at some point and if Columbus was ready to move Dubois now, retention was the only way the deal was getting done. If they refuse and Columbus moves on then Winnipeg misses out on Dubois.

IMO, accepting that 1 year of rentention that has no long term effect is the obvious choice over missing out on a player they covet. Wait until this summer and maybe there isn't a player they like as much as Dubois available to them.

 

[Nik]

Yeah, I think that's right. If you're excited about adding a player as Winnipeg clearly is with Dubois then eating some short term money really isn't the equivalent of tossing another asset into the deal. Especially if there are other bids on the table for that player.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/Account4hockey/status/1353706919999975427

 

[Nik]

Feels to me like if a team's leadership is unable to figure out how to fit in a mercurial personality it's a failure on their part regardless. Lots of teams have won with guys who were labelled "difficult" elsewhere. It's not easy, sure, but it is one of the challenges of good leadership.

 

[bustaheims]

Feels to me like if a team's leadership is unable to figure out how to fit in a mercurial personality it's a failure on their part regardless. Lots of teams have won with guys who were labelled "difficult" elsewhere. It's not easy, sure, but it is one of the challenges of good leadership.

Yeah. We're not talking a Sean Avery level of disruptiveness here. There were never serious public issue with Laine - maybe the Fortnite stuff, but that was generally seen as amusing more than anything else. This was basically entirely an internal personality conflict, and that's absolutely on team leadership to do a better job with.