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The other rumour was that Dubas had a deal for Hyman done, but Shanahan said no because he didn't think Hyman would last the length of the contract.
I really don't understand why Shanahan wouldn't just take over the GM reins himself, particularly since it appears he blocked some pretty substantial moves. Or do the due diligence, get your "guy" and let them mold their team into their vision. Otherwise we will always have this mismatch, messy neither here-nor-there rosters that aren't ever going to amount to anything.
 
I really don't understand why Shanahan wouldn't just take over the GM reins himself, particularly since it appears he blocked some pretty substantial moves. Or do the due diligence, get your "guy" and let them mold their team into their vision. Otherwise we will always have this mismatch, messy neither here-nor-there rosters that aren't ever going to amount to anything.

I don't think it is as cut and dried as that. When the Shanahan/Dubas tandem started, they worked together as a pretty good team. We never heard anything about deals that fell through, because they were probably both on the same page. However, as the failures in the playoffs started to mount, Shanahan probably felt it prudent to go one direction and Dubas probably wanted to go in another. As those directions diverged, the partnership started to fail. Dubas couldn't convince Shanahan of why his direction was needed, and Shanahan couldn't impart on Dubas why his idea of how to build the team was the right idea. That's when the disjointedness comes in. I imagine, when it all started, Dubas had sold Shanahan on this idea that they would be high skilled hockey team, albeit on the smaller side. They would outskill and outskate the opposition. When that didn't bear fruit in the playoffs, Shanahan started to call the shots a little more, and that started to rankle Dubas a little bit, because he probably felt like he didn't have a voice or a role in the organization. When that happens though, it means that the only way for Dubas to stay is to eliminate Shanahan's voice and role in the organization. I can see how that would create a divide in the organization.

The media frames it as autonomy, but really, nobody has full autonomy. I'm sure owners of companies would love to do lots of things that would make them billions, but those dastardly politicians, and the tricky predicament of how not to piss off customers always comes into play.

In this case, I think when people say that Dubas wanted more autonomy, what we are really talking about is that he wanted direct access to the board, which meant that he didn't want to answer to Shanahan. Probably because he felt that either Shanahan wasn't actually telling the board what he wanted to do, or that Shanahan was explaining it wrong.
 
Gord Stellick should also be up there, but I don't necessarily think he was put in a position to succeed.
I always give stellick a pass because I don't think he was anymore than a puppet and he pretty much acknolwges it and admits he probably never should have had the job. As opposed to Burke who is a self professed genius.
 
It will be fascinating to read the "tell-alls" at some point down the road, to see exactly how all this went down.

My gut tells me that Dubas and Shanahan were on the same page for a long while, but then the season (or so) before Dubas left, he realized that something needed to change and one of the core pieces needed to be moved. But Shanahan (and maybe others above him?) wanted to keep all the players for whatever reason. It all came to a head and Dubas was sent packing...quite possibly if Shanahan had been the one to go, things would have turned out quite differently.

My concern now is - sure everyone wants to get rid of Treliving, but who will be choosing his replacement? At least with Shanahan in the mix, I always felt like there was someone who had enough hockey knowledge and experience that I would feel comfortable with the process. Of course, he did hire Treliving lol...
 
I didn't mind the Matthews "hand-to-ear gesture". You want something to cheer about? How's that? Let's go!

It's not a salute gate dig at the fans. Phaneuf was stupider than Domi FFS.
I get that but if he had been playing all out all game (he or the team) and were just being stymied at every opportunity and they finally broke through, then yeah I can get that reaction.

But they slept walked through the game and fell ass backwards into that win. This isn't college football. Have some pride in and when you celebrate.
 
I get that but if he had been playing all out all game (he or the team) and were just being stymied at every opportunity and they finally broke through, then yeah I can get that reaction.

But they slept walked through the game and fell ass backwards into that win. This isn't college football. Have some pride in and when you celebrate.
Personally I've had enough of him. Guy was never captain material. Time to go a different direction but unfortunately too late as far as what a return will be and could have been.
 
Personally I've had enough of him. Guy was never captain material. Time to go a different direction but unfortunately too late as far as what a return will be and could have been.
I agree with you you on the captaincy, that was an unforced error. There was no reason to take it away from Tavares.

But to trade him at his apex is a bit crazy. He was right there with the top 5 players in the league. It didn't look like this dramatic drop off was on the horizon at all.
 
I agree with you you on the captaincy, that was an unforced error. There was no reason to take it away from Tavares.

But to trade him at his apex is a bit crazy. He was right there with the top 5 players in the league. It didn't look like this dramatic drop off was on the horizon at all.
I am not in rebuild mode until we see a couple of seasons of this. If we fall out this season, sure, recoup some assets for expiring contracts, but no, I am not making a Matthews move this season.
 
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