Ben Revere to Nationals for Drew Storen

[Deebo]

https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/685663241427640320

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Not bad at all.

 

[bustaheims]

If it's really just a straight swap (which seems to be the belief at the moment), that's a nice pickup for the Jays.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

If it's really just a straight swap (which seems to be the belief at the moment), that's a nice pickup for the Jays.

Jays just announced it as Revere and a PTBNL for Storen.

 

[Kin]

I don't love it on its own, it's pretty hard to imagine a one inning reliever contributing more than an every day leadoff hitter, but if it allows the Jays to move Sanchez or Osuna back into a starting role I think you make up for it that way.

 

[bustaheims]

If it's really just a straight swap (which seems to be the belief at the moment), that's a nice pickup for the Jays.

Jays just announced it as Revere and a PTBNL for Storen.

Well, as long as that PTBNL isn't any of their better prospects (which I can't imagine it is), I'll take it.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

If it's really just a straight swap (which seems to be the belief at the moment), that's a nice pickup for the Jays.

Jays just announced it as Revere and a PTBNL for Storen.

Well, as long as that PTBNL isn't any of their better prospects (which I can't imagine it is), I'll take it.

And Ken Rosenthal says money is going to the Jays too in order to even out the salaries.

 

[Captain Canuck]

A move long overdue after the departures of Hendricks, Lowe, and Hawkins from the pen. Really needed to acquire a quality arm to prop up a weak spot on the team. Solid top 4 now in the back end with Osuna, Sanchez, Cecil and Storen. Crucial when most of the rotation aren't guys who pitch 200+ innings.
Putting Sanchez in the rotation and Chavez in the pen could be a stronger possibility now as well.

 

[L K]

If it's really just a straight swap (which seems to be the belief at the moment), that's a nice pickup for the Jays.

Jays just announced it as Revere and a PTBNL for Storen.

Well, as long as that PTBNL isn't any of their better prospects (which I can't imagine it is), I'll take it.

That's the big one to me.  There have been times in the past where the PTBNL is useless but there have also been some higher tier prospects that get dealt. 

I like the move.  They got a top level reliever who has a fair argument for being the closer next year.  I think Pompey is ready to be the LF at this point so it's not like we are going back to having Carrera in LF full time (although I still think that Saunders is going to be awful in ST and not get a roster spot).

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

If it's really just a straight swap (which seems to be the belief at the moment), that's a nice pickup for the Jays.

Jays just announced it as Revere and a PTBNL for Storen.

Well, as long as that PTBNL isn't any of their better prospects (which I can't imagine it is), I'll take it.

That's the big one to me.  There have been times in the past where the PTBNL is useless but there have also been some higher tier prospects that get dealt. 

I like the move.  They got a top level reliever who has a fair argument for being the closer next year.  I think Pompey is ready to be the LF at this point so it's not like we are going back to having Carrera in LF full time (although I still think that Saunders is going to be awful in ST and not get a roster spot).

Why do you think he'll be awful? Due to being off so long?

 

[L K]

If it's really just a straight swap (which seems to be the belief at the moment), that's a nice pickup for the Jays.

Jays just announced it as Revere and a PTBNL for Storen.

Well, as long as that PTBNL isn't any of their better prospects (which I can't imagine it is), I'll take it.

That's the big one to me.  There have been times in the past where the PTBNL is useless but there have also been some higher tier prospects that get dealt. 

I like the move.  They got a top level reliever who has a fair argument for being the closer next year.  I think Pompey is ready to be the LF at this point so it's not like we are going back to having Carrera in LF full time (although I still think that Saunders is going to be awful in ST and not get a roster spot).

Why do you think he'll be awful? Due to being off so long?

I'm just going on pure speculation.  I don't trust the way his knee was handled last year.  For him to have 60+% of his meniscus removed was always a short-term fix.  He now has less joint space and it ages his knee.  For him to still have issues with the knee after the surgery to the point of being shut down from early May was just not a great sign.  I also haven't heard anything about his recovery to indicate that he is back to 100% even now.  There was talk that he was going to be ready by September but that clearly didn't happen. 

I know he had a few decent years in Seattle too but overall he's still a career .230 AVG .301 OBP hitter.  He's also not the greatest defensively and taking a bite out of his mobility isn't going to help that even if he is playing LF and not CF.

So really it just boils down to, I think his knee isn't going to be in the greatest of shape and I wasn't a huge fan of Saunders to begin with.  There isn't really a reason his knee can't be perfectly fine though, I'm just wary of it.

 

[Kin]

Yeah, I think at this point anything you get from Saunders has to be seen as a bonus.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I'm just going on pure speculation.  I don't trust the way his knee was handled last year.  For him to have 60+% of his meniscus removed was always a short-term fix.  He now has less joint space and it ages his knee.  For him to still have issues with the knee after the surgery to the point of being shut down from early May was just not a great sign.  I also haven't heard anything about his recovery to indicate that he is back to 100% even now.  There was talk that he was going to be ready by September but that clearly didn't happen. 

I know he had a few decent years in Seattle too but overall he's still a career .230 AVG .301 OBP hitter.  He's also not the greatest defensively and taking a bite out of his mobility isn't going to help that even if he is playing LF and not CF.

So really it just boils down to, I think his knee isn't going to be in the greatest of shape and I wasn't a huge fan of Saunders to begin with.  There isn't really a reason his knee can't be perfectly fine though, I'm just wary of it.

On the surgery, the surgeon said the cartilage was so damaged that there was no choice between repairing or removing the portion of the meniscus.  So it wasn't really a short-term fix, they decided that there was no option other than what they did.

 

[L K]

I'm just going on pure speculation.  I don't trust the way his knee was handled last year.  For him to have 60+% of his meniscus removed was always a short-term fix.  He now has less joint space and it ages his knee.  For him to still have issues with the knee after the surgery to the point of being shut down from early May was just not a great sign.  I also haven't heard anything about his recovery to indicate that he is back to 100% even now.  There was talk that he was going to be ready by September but that clearly didn't happen. 

I know he had a few decent years in Seattle too but overall he's still a career .230 AVG .301 OBP hitter.  He's also not the greatest defensively and taking a bite out of his mobility isn't going to help that even if he is playing LF and not CF.

So really it just boils down to, I think his knee isn't going to be in the greatest of shape and I wasn't a huge fan of Saunders to begin with.  There isn't really a reason his knee can't be perfectly fine though, I'm just wary of it.

On the surgery, the surgeon said the cartilage was so damaged that there was no choice between repairing or removing the portion of the meniscus.  So it wasn't really a short-term fix, they decided that there was no option other than what they did.

Just for clarity, I just meant that any time you take out the meniscus it's only a short term fix in general in terms of further wearing of the knee.  If you can sew the meniscus down (red zone tears) the durability of the knee is better than removal.  So I'm thinking of the short-term fix more in terms of Saunders career rather than the intended quick return to the field.  Saunders is more prone to arthritis and further breakdown of the knee.  It isn't less stable but it's not great and with the Jays playing on a turf surface that's not a great combination.

While the knee injury itself was a fluke (sprinkler head), Saunders does have a bit of a history with injuries too, shoulder and back problems that have caused him to miss considerable amounts of time.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I'm just going on pure speculation.  I don't trust the way his knee was handled last year.  For him to have 60+% of his meniscus removed was always a short-term fix.  He now has less joint space and it ages his knee.  For him to still have issues with the knee after the surgery to the point of being shut down from early May was just not a great sign.  I also haven't heard anything about his recovery to indicate that he is back to 100% even now.  There was talk that he was going to be ready by September but that clearly didn't happen. 

I know he had a few decent years in Seattle too but overall he's still a career .230 AVG .301 OBP hitter.  He's also not the greatest defensively and taking a bite out of his mobility isn't going to help that even if he is playing LF and not CF.

So really it just boils down to, I think his knee isn't going to be in the greatest of shape and I wasn't a huge fan of Saunders to begin with.  There isn't really a reason his knee can't be perfectly fine though, I'm just wary of it.

On the surgery, the surgeon said the cartilage was so damaged that there was no choice between repairing or removing the portion of the meniscus.  So it wasn't really a short-term fix, they decided that there was no option other than what they did.

Just for clarity, I just meant that any time you take out the meniscus it's only a short term fix in general in terms of further wearing of the knee.  If you can sew the meniscus down (red zone tears) the durability of the knee is better than removal.  So I'm thinking of the short-term fix more in terms of Saunders career rather than the intended quick return to the field.  Saunders is more prone to arthritis and further breakdown of the knee.  It isn't less stable but it's not great and with the Jays playing on a turf surface that's not a great combination.

While the knee injury itself was a fluke (sprinkler head), Saunders does have a bit of a history with injuries too, shoulder and back problems that have caused him to miss considerable amounts of time.

Ahh okay, I had read "I don't trust the way his knee was handled" as being you don't trust Saunders/the medical staff to have made the right decision, but I think you meant as in trusting the knee going forward.

 

[dappleganger]

I like this move for the Jays. hopefully it signals Sanchez being a part of the starting rotation.

Gonna miss Revere. He was solid in left field.

 

[Darryl]

Liked Revere as well but OF is a the one place they still have prospect depth. Pompey or Saunders maybe even a camp invite can hold the fort. Guys like Smith Jr, Alford and Davis on the farm will be ready soon enough.

 

[dappleganger]

Liked Revere as well but OF is a the one place they still have prospect depth. Pompey or Saunders maybe even a camp invite can hold the fort. Guys like Smith Jr, Alford and Davis on the farm will be ready soon enough.

Alford could probably handle a cup of coffee in the bigs as an injury fill-in. I'm very high on him.

 

[sickbeast]

Guys I think Saunders is done. Career over. Pompey is our only hope.

 

[Joe S.]

Guys I think Saunders is done. Career over. Pompey is our only hope.

I wouldn't say only hope. I'd say next available option.