2025-26 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

[Joe S.]

Dubas' and most GM's issue isn't selling - it's buying, and he made enough questionable trades, and I'm sure he learned a thing or two during his time here to be better equipped to be the Pens GM. I'm not saying we're better off now, but my god the bar has to be higher than what we've seen over the last 10yrs and especially from 2019 onward.

Sure but I'd say he did more good trades than bad and I don't see any franchise altering trades in his repertoire. What I also appreciated is that he didn't hesitate to pivot on a fuck up.

Look he wasn't perfect but he was definitely better than the period between Quinn and Lou.

I really don't think lamoriello gets enough credit for the really poor job he did as leafs GM.

Every GM has terrible moves in their history, the good ones tend to adapt. I saw that in Dubas. As opposed to say, burke or lamoriello. Some GMs are just terrible, ie JFJ or Floyd Smith. Treliving right now is somewhere between Burke and JFJ.

 

[Bender]

So true. Funny thing tho, the goalies he signed, minus Mrazek were all very good their 1st years here. Both Campbell and Sammy were excellent their 1st years here. I remember everyone saying he needed to extend Campbell "because the price is going up everyday" and he didn't. Strangely enough Dubas is responsible for 3 of our top 4 goalies. He was the guy that signed injury plagued Woll instead of walking away. He was the GM that drafted Hildeby, Artur, Peska.

As for Keefe. Yup he was outcoached at times during the playoffs. But he was also victim to some suspect goaltending when it mattered. He shouldn't have been fired after they lost to Boston in GM7 OT. If there was ever a series where you had an excuse as to why, that was it. Nylander missed the first 3 games. Matthews gets hurt in GM4 I beleive and missed the remainder in that one and GMs5 and 6. Woll got hurt and couldn't play GM7.

Oh well, it is what it is. I still think, and many disagree because of what happened, that if you wanted to make a coaching change, coach Q was the guy to hire. He was without question the best coach available.
As for the GM they had choices but were deadset on Tre for whatever reason. Should have just given Dubas the autonomy and we're not in this current mess.

Maybe not as bad, but I don't think anyone thought the Leafs should be 30pts worse year over year. I also think it's fallacious to assume that the team wouldn't be in a completely dissimilar situation. Maybe there would be a Marner trade, but maybe not and just assuming everything would go right with Dubas compared to what's occurred, if only he had complete control, seems so disingenuous to me.

 

[Bender]

Sure but I'd say he did more good trades than bad and I don't see any franchise altering trades in his repertoire. What I also appreciated is that he didn't hesitate to pivot on a fuck up.

Look he wasn't perfect but he was definitely better than the period between Quinn and Lou.

I really don't think lamoriello gets enough credit for the really poor job he did as leafs GM.

Every GM has terrible moves in their history, the good ones tend to adapt. I saw that in Dubas. As opposed to say, burke or lamoriello. Some GMs are just terrible, ie JFJ or Floyd Smith. Treliving right now is somewhere between Burke and JFJ.

I mean he repeatedly pivoted in goaltenders that didn't work out. That part was complete lunacy.

 

[Guilt Trip]

I mean he repeatedly pivoted in goaltenders that didn't work out. That part was complete lunacy.

He pivoted on Mrazek and by moving down in the draft and got Minten. What other goalie did he pivot on? There's no other goalie he signed, traded for that he needed to get away from.

 

[Joe S.]

I mean he repeatedly pivoted in goaltenders that didn't work out. That part was complete lunacy.

Goaltending is the hardest position to fill. They've been looking for a real #1 since Belfour. Every GM since has struck out on goalies.